Thanks much !, this will help with my "temperamental" sorry, U3. All your videos have helped me come up to speed on piano tuning and regulation. I am using pianoteq with a yami c2 {could not find a u3 sim) simulation to find a temperament that I really like before fine tuning my acoustic. (and hopefully I can come close with the U3) :) yea, I know it's a stretch...oops
As a Verituner owner, I can readily testify to how accurate it is. However, there do arise certain occasions in which the temperament doesn't have smoothly changing beat rates for the 3rd intervals(esp. the Ab and C notes when played together). The Tunelab which I also use never has this problem.
I have worked at a music store as that is where I have learned how to tune pianos. I use a Conn Strobo Tuner as it is most popular with musicians and piano tuners.
can you (or anyone) comment on how you have set the parameters on your verituner?
i noticed you have a standard custom list prepared in your tuner but it's impossible to read on my screen.
i myself have come up with some settings of my own distracted from the standard settings of the verituner(higher octave stretch of the expanded setting implemented in te clean setting for example). did you calculate them or set them after aural tuning?
As a comparison of ear vs machine do this test. Tune all notes from F2-F3 by octaves from F3-F4 temperment. Do beat rate comparison of F2-Ab2(min 3rd) and Ab2-F3(6th). They should be identical. More than 1/4 cent deviation on any note will alter the beat rates enough to be noticed by ear as different. Even my Peterson 490 SL will only get me down to 1/2 cent at best. The machine is fine for temperments and the farthest upper/lower notes but nothing beats the ear,(pardon the pun).
IMO the ear is the most valuable tool of the tuner. The electronic tuner will only take you so far. You should always trust your ear over the machine for octaves to make sure that your octaves aren't beating. Thus he states at 2:30 that his ear is telling him 3 cents sharper than the machine.
Aside from the octaves, the machine is invaluable, since in equal temperament fifths and thirds are far from perfect.
Thanks much !, this will help with my "temperamental" sorry, U3. All your videos have helped me come up to speed on piano tuning and regulation. I am using pianoteq with a yami c2 {could not find a u3 sim) simulation to find a temperament that I really like before fine tuning my acoustic. (and hopefully I can come close with the U3) :) yea, I know it's a stretch...oops
glovemtb 2 months ago
As a Verituner owner, I can readily testify to how accurate it is. However, there do arise certain occasions in which the temperament doesn't have smoothly changing beat rates for the 3rd intervals(esp. the Ab and C notes when played together). The Tunelab which I also use never has this problem.
kwixotic 1 year ago
I have worked at a music store as that is where I have learned how to tune pianos. I use a Conn Strobo Tuner as it is most popular with musicians and piano tuners.
patsaxon 1 year ago
Found the answers at Bill Bremmers's site!
thank you.
pianovleugeltechniek 3 years ago
Or should i studie more on the mathematicals or trust my ears?
Greetz from holland.
walteriedema 3 years ago
interesting to watch how you match.
can you (or anyone) comment on how you have set the parameters on your verituner?
i noticed you have a standard custom list prepared in your tuner but it's impossible to read on my screen.
i myself have come up with some settings of my own distracted from the standard settings of the verituner(higher octave stretch of the expanded setting implemented in te clean setting for example). did you calculate them or set them after aural tuning?
walteriedema 3 years ago
As a comparison of ear vs machine do this test. Tune all notes from F2-F3 by octaves from F3-F4 temperment. Do beat rate comparison of F2-Ab2(min 3rd) and Ab2-F3(6th). They should be identical. More than 1/4 cent deviation on any note will alter the beat rates enough to be noticed by ear as different. Even my Peterson 490 SL will only get me down to 1/2 cent at best. The machine is fine for temperments and the farthest upper/lower notes but nothing beats the ear,(pardon the pun).
EmmeryN 3 years ago
That meter of yours is far far more sophisticated than my Korg AC-40.
I don't see how human ears can
compete with a software or electronic
tuner.
mcgiver02 4 years ago
"I don't see how human ears can compete..."
IMO the ear is the most valuable tool of the tuner. The electronic tuner will only take you so far. You should always trust your ear over the machine for octaves to make sure that your octaves aren't beating. Thus he states at 2:30 that his ear is telling him 3 cents sharper than the machine.
Aside from the octaves, the machine is invaluable, since in equal temperament fifths and thirds are far from perfect.
Just my 2 cents. (No pun intended.)
phoenixshade3 4 years ago 2
yes, you're right, the electric one is crap, i tune it within a sec. and you using the electric one and turn the pins................
huichihuichi 3 years ago