This is a really sad song, I can't imagine the grief those families and students were put through. It's a shame that these people were trying to do the right thing and were killed for it. God Bless all of them.
falstaffswims, though economics has and always will be a dominating factor you can't disregard other influences such as geography politics, ideology or domestic politics
the national guard committed a despicable, unpardonable act, shooting up a swarm of students who had the nerve to insist that America do the right thing for once, and stop killing the poorest of the poor in Vietnam and Cambodia. but the national guard, mostly working-class guys from Akron, were servile instruments for the real, big bad guys: america's corporate class, who started that god-awful war, and wanted anybody who had a moral conscience and a voice, like KSU students, to shut up or die.
"corporate class" has nothing to do with it. you have a select few people to blame for that war, not a class of corporate people. don't lump corporate americans together like they all were for the war, that's ridiculous.
sure, there are plenty of nice people in the corporate class, a few even opposed the war... as individuals. but that's the trick, ruling-class ideological sleight of hand: point out the trees, but never the forest. i.e., never stop to ask "whose interests might have motivated a war meant to smash into oblivion a brand new, promising economic model in southeast asia, an economic model at odds with america's global capitalism?" i wonder who... the working class? the poorest of the american poor?
no, of course not. it's clear as day: colonial wars are always economically motivated, at heart, in spite of whatever middle school history books or the popular media might tell you (usually they construe war moronically as a simple analogue to our own petty personal feuds and fistfights... matters of pride, and jealousy, and vengeance... grown-up historians know it's all about economics.
and all wars of aggression are fought BY the poor, FOR the interests of the privileged, the ruling class, the corporate social scum who do nothing but shuffle commodities around and grow fat off the wealth the rest of the world produces (by, like, going to work... real, actual work)
news flash... the people in control don't ask corporate america how to handle wars. it's becoming clear that you just like to hear yourself talk as you try to sound intelligent.
the square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the remaining sides. p.s. ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. p.p.s. esse est percipi. how's that? oh, yeah, e=mc*c and, uh, "news flashes" shouldn't be followed by ellipses, as they are generally urgent and the "intelligent" thing to do is to just get them right out there. adieu. (that's smart people talk for goodbye.)
man i love this song if you guys want to know this song is about the massacre in ohio... tin soldiers or the soldiers depicted as souless killers and were finally on our own depicts how when you go to college "your on your own" well with the shootings in ohio state that really made the students feel that they are truly on their own
I too am involving this song in a project for school. :] it's amazing that a song written for my dad's generation is inspiring the kids of our generation so much. All of my friends have written papers about this song after I showed it to them. :) It's a good song, but the story behind it is so horrible!
The Ohio National Guard circa 1970...amateur hour with lethal weapons! What a pathetic bunch!
summergirl63 3 years ago
This is a really sad song, I can't imagine the grief those families and students were put through. It's a shame that these people were trying to do the right thing and were killed for it. God Bless all of them.
theroamincatholic 3 years ago
Hard to boil any war down to a single factor
falstaffswims, though economics has and always will be a dominating factor you can't disregard other influences such as geography politics, ideology or domestic politics
Chewbubba 3 years ago
the national guard committed a despicable, unpardonable act, shooting up a swarm of students who had the nerve to insist that America do the right thing for once, and stop killing the poorest of the poor in Vietnam and Cambodia. but the national guard, mostly working-class guys from Akron, were servile instruments for the real, big bad guys: america's corporate class, who started that god-awful war, and wanted anybody who had a moral conscience and a voice, like KSU students, to shut up or die.
falstaffswims 3 years ago
"corporate class" has nothing to do with it. you have a select few people to blame for that war, not a class of corporate people. don't lump corporate americans together like they all were for the war, that's ridiculous.
sbnewman 3 years ago
sure, there are plenty of nice people in the corporate class, a few even opposed the war... as individuals. but that's the trick, ruling-class ideological sleight of hand: point out the trees, but never the forest. i.e., never stop to ask "whose interests might have motivated a war meant to smash into oblivion a brand new, promising economic model in southeast asia, an economic model at odds with america's global capitalism?" i wonder who... the working class? the poorest of the american poor?
falstaffswims 3 years ago
no, of course not. it's clear as day: colonial wars are always economically motivated, at heart, in spite of whatever middle school history books or the popular media might tell you (usually they construe war moronically as a simple analogue to our own petty personal feuds and fistfights... matters of pride, and jealousy, and vengeance... grown-up historians know it's all about economics.
falstaffswims 3 years ago
and all wars of aggression are fought BY the poor, FOR the interests of the privileged, the ruling class, the corporate social scum who do nothing but shuffle commodities around and grow fat off the wealth the rest of the world produces (by, like, going to work... real, actual work)
falstaffswims 3 years ago
news flash... the people in control don't ask corporate america how to handle wars. it's becoming clear that you just like to hear yourself talk as you try to sound intelligent.
sbnewman 3 years ago
the square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the remaining sides. p.s. ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. p.p.s. esse est percipi. how's that? oh, yeah, e=mc*c and, uh, "news flashes" shouldn't be followed by ellipses, as they are generally urgent and the "intelligent" thing to do is to just get them right out there. adieu. (that's smart people talk for goodbye.)
falstaffswims 3 years ago
stop trying to hard to convince yourself that you are smart by reciting formulas you didn't come up with. get a life.
sbnewman 3 years ago
x was a joke.
where x= (my last, "formulas" post) or (you)
falstaffswims 3 years ago
I've got one for you.
A douchebag (A)
Too much free time (B)
Internet access (C)
Need to get a life (D)
A+B+C=D
get it?
sbnewman 3 years ago
Revolution Music! Know ur Enemy...
1984AnTz2008 3 years ago
man i love this song if you guys want to know this song is about the massacre in ohio... tin soldiers or the soldiers depicted as souless killers and were finally on our own depicts how when you go to college "your on your own" well with the shootings in ohio state that really made the students feel that they are truly on their own
immortal115 3 years ago 3
true very true except it was kent state
foobster27 3 years ago
Im doing a project for school on this song. Thank goodness for Neil Young!
Fowler665 3 years ago
thats true, but this is Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, not just Neil Young
ajbguy03 3 years ago
I too am involving this song in a project for school. :] it's amazing that a song written for my dad's generation is inspiring the kids of our generation so much. All of my friends have written papers about this song after I showed it to them. :) It's a good song, but the story behind it is so horrible!
HaloGirl25 3 years ago
such a great song
fiddelanten 3 years ago
Nixon ---been there, done that ------same issues then, as now...Time for this generation to STAND UP.
This really happened.
Words mean alot in this song.....
Radarlv75 3 years ago 3
I agree with you Radarlv75, Bush has done the same thing with Iraq but he has commited even more war crimes that Nixon
9641277 3 years ago
We need to think about this because this is relevant RIGHT NOW.
UcanbeGOD 3 years ago 2
wll said!
Maksimfan 3 years ago
very good song
lightdragon53562 3 years ago
First time i heard it i was going down the high way and my mom started singing lol.
jake66000 3 years ago
a classic. its has so much meaning to it
MeTaliNdiaN34 3 years ago 2