I didn't know Mrs. Ward, but I do believe that she was a mean little old lady. I also feel that she really and truly loved God. And finally,her singing... Uh, well.... All I can say about it is that I listen to this song a few times a week so that's telling in itself. SIMON4186
The thing about this, next to the message, is the fact that she is singing totally uninhibited and giving it herbest, and she must have had some idea of how she sounded. She's singing avout God and I can hear her faith in His greatness and His realness. It (the song) has grown on me.
1) the date of Mrs. Ward's operation on her throat.
And also--- 2) the lead singer on the Clara Ward Singer's version of "He'll Never Let Go My Hand". Any information leading to the solving of this case would be greatly appreciated. SIMON4186
@simon4186: Good morning to you! Unfortunately, I do not know the date of Gertrude Wards' surgery, but I believe it was during the 1940's or 1950's. Second, the lead singer for the Clara Ward Specials' song, "He'll Never Let Go My Hand" is the late Thelma Jackson, who is one of my ABSOLUTE favorites! I hope that this has helped in one way or another.
@Rowoches In Tony Heilbut's book, The Gospel Sound, he mentioned that Mother Ward had a goiter removed "many years ago." The book came out in 1975 and she passed in 1981 so her surgery probably did occur in the '40s or '50s.
LOL! It's ok. We all have our different opinions. Books state that she could really sing before her throat surgery (the recording was done years after the surgery), but someone who knew her in the earlier days told me that she sounded no different than she does in this recording. Voice or no voice, I was told that she could really tear a church up tho!
Well, her voice reminds me of my maternal grandmother, rest her soul, and my maternal grandmother could not sing if her life had depended on it. When did Gertrude stop singing with Clara...and does anyone have a rough idea of how her voice sounded prior to throat surgery?
Gertrude stopped singing with Clara when Clara died. Basically, not only was Gert the manager of the group, but she would also sing every once in a while (in concerts) with the group....maybe not in every song. Many times when the Ward Singers were in the studio, you could hear Gertrude yelling out in the background, "Oh yes!" or "Sing children," etc...
I don't know if anyone alive today, other than Willa Ward, can attest to Gertrude's voice before the surgery. It was done in the 1940's.
Well, I couldn't honestly say I think the woman can sing. That sort of hollow, wobbly sound reminds me of my grandma so much it hurts. She had no delusions about her singing ability. This is gospel music history however, and you did the world a favor by making this performance available to all brother. Your collection is extraordinary, and I appreciate your knowledge and all that you're doing for Golden Age gospel.
Gertrude knew that she couldn't sing (anymore after the operation on her throat). She made it a point to let everyone know that she didn't have the voice that she once sang with. She even mentioned once, and I have a recording of her saying it, that people tried to get her to retire from singing all together, and her reply was a scripture that said, "Be faithful to me until death, and I'll give you a crown of life." So, that's basically why she still sang way after her voice was gone.
to be usenest I think they force church on people back then I heard clara ward mother force her to sing at differt shows guess these was no choice and it but to do as you told to do
Church wasn't really forced on Clara per se. I have an interview where she admitted to wanting to learn how to play the piano at a young age so that she could travel around with her mother to various churches. Once the Ward Singers became famous, and they had more bookings than they could handle (this is why they had multiple groups), things were overwhelming for Clara. Nonetheless, Clara Ward enjoyed her work.
I want to read the book too bcuz its on wikipedia how she was a controlling mother. I didn't want to believe it but wikipedia isn't gonna give false statements. So sad and to have such talented daughters
I did! Sad, absolutely sad! Clara Ward's music was such a blessing, but what a terrible price to pay. Thank God Willa got to do differently with her daughters. That's why we as mothers have to be balanced, prayed up and connected with God, and raise our children to choose the right way instead of pressuring them.
Yes that's the best part and though the night is daaark lool!Her voice is so funny to me her phrasing of words. Like when she suppose to say dedicate she says "I'm gone detikate" and " Because The storm is passing over and one day we all can say hallelujah". I love it and don't eat too much today alright!!!
Thank you for sharing this Dwayne. It takes me back to the time when I saw Mrs. Ward and Clara and her singers at Disneyland and various clubs in the Los Angeles area.
I didn't know Mrs. Ward, but I do believe that she was a mean little old lady. I also feel that she really and truly loved God. And finally,her singing... Uh, well.... All I can say about it is that I listen to this song a few times a week so that's telling in itself. SIMON4186
simon4186 7 months ago
Sing it now, sing it! As I always like to say, there would would be no rock and roll, soul, or Motown without gospel. SIMON4186
simon4186 7 months ago 2
@simon4186: Yes indeed. Mahalia Jackson said the same thing also.
Rowoches 7 months ago
The thing about this, next to the message, is the fact that she is singing totally uninhibited and giving it herbest, and she must have had some idea of how she sounded. She's singing avout God and I can hear her faith in His greatness and His realness. It (the song) has grown on me.
simon4186 7 months ago
So what I'm unclear on is:
1) the date of Mrs. Ward's operation on her throat.
And also--- 2) the lead singer on the Clara Ward Singer's version of "He'll Never Let Go My Hand". Any information leading to the solving of this case would be greatly appreciated. SIMON4186
simon4186 8 months ago
@simon4186: Good morning to you! Unfortunately, I do not know the date of Gertrude Wards' surgery, but I believe it was during the 1940's or 1950's. Second, the lead singer for the Clara Ward Specials' song, "He'll Never Let Go My Hand" is the late Thelma Jackson, who is one of my ABSOLUTE favorites! I hope that this has helped in one way or another.
Rowoches 8 months ago
@Rowoches In Tony Heilbut's book, The Gospel Sound, he mentioned that Mother Ward had a goiter removed "many years ago." The book came out in 1975 and she passed in 1981 so her surgery probably did occur in the '40s or '50s.
EvangelistAllen 7 months ago
LORD GIVE IT UP TO MOTHER GERTRUDE.....THE HAIR STLES BACK THEN WERE FIERCE..AND BACK THEN IT WASNT WHAT U SOUND LIKE VOCALLY..IT WAS THE MESSAGE....
SuperSLIMGOODY1 1 year ago 3
@SuperSLIMGOODY1: Very true.
Rowoches 1 year ago
Gert sang poorly but if you a ol time lover, it's about the heart not the voice all the time
jddrew1000 1 year ago
o ok...thanx 4 the info...
mrsrayndolph 2 years ago
Was Willa Ward-Royster marred twice? Becuz I've seen 2 diffeent married names 4 her...just curious...
mrsrayndolph 2 years ago
You got it!! First marriage was 'Moultrie'. Second marriage was 'Royster'.
Rowoches 2 years ago
I will ever love Gertrude. She was an amazing woman. Philadelphia loved her Sangggggggggggggggggggggggg
archbish7 2 years ago
love her!!!!
ringbolt9 2 years ago 2
Gertrude was a hooper like her daughter Clara
Gertrude was a dynamic diva in her day
Revd519 2 years ago
She has a sweet voice and I love her glory hive hairdo!
Commentarian1 2 years ago 2
glory hive hairdo! God bless da hair dresser!!
Snowhill3 2 years ago 2
She did her own hairdo's
Rowoches 2 years ago
in my opinion, her voice sounds so terrible dat she can actually sing. and i dont mean to offend anyone.
Snowhill3 3 years ago
LOL! It's ok. We all have our different opinions. Books state that she could really sing before her throat surgery (the recording was done years after the surgery), but someone who knew her in the earlier days told me that she sounded no different than she does in this recording. Voice or no voice, I was told that she could really tear a church up tho!
Rowoches 3 years ago
I know she can't sing but she can talk the hell out of a song and I sometimes that what we need to here. well she said it best.
blessedover 2 years ago 2
yES tHANKS Gertrude YOUR wORDS are wELL mEANT..........BLESS.
DYNODRUM 2 years ago
baby they speeded that organ and piano and her song up @ 2:45 i jumped out of my seat and caught the holy spirit
cdj5111 3 years ago
Well, you betta go'head!! LOL!
Rowoches 3 years ago
Well, her voice reminds me of my maternal grandmother, rest her soul, and my maternal grandmother could not sing if her life had depended on it. When did Gertrude stop singing with Clara...and does anyone have a rough idea of how her voice sounded prior to throat surgery?
direfranchement 3 years ago
Gertrude stopped singing with Clara when Clara died. Basically, not only was Gert the manager of the group, but she would also sing every once in a while (in concerts) with the group....maybe not in every song. Many times when the Ward Singers were in the studio, you could hear Gertrude yelling out in the background, "Oh yes!" or "Sing children," etc...
I don't know if anyone alive today, other than Willa Ward, can attest to Gertrude's voice before the surgery. It was done in the 1940's.
Rowoches 3 years ago
Well, I couldn't honestly say I think the woman can sing. That sort of hollow, wobbly sound reminds me of my grandma so much it hurts. She had no delusions about her singing ability. This is gospel music history however, and you did the world a favor by making this performance available to all brother. Your collection is extraordinary, and I appreciate your knowledge and all that you're doing for Golden Age gospel.
jaflemin 3 years ago 2
Gertrude knew that she couldn't sing (anymore after the operation on her throat). She made it a point to let everyone know that she didn't have the voice that she once sang with. She even mentioned once, and I have a recording of her saying it, that people tried to get her to retire from singing all together, and her reply was a scripture that said, "Be faithful to me until death, and I'll give you a crown of life." So, that's basically why she still sang way after her voice was gone.
Rowoches 3 years ago
thanks for this rich history !!
109RainyBaby 3 years ago
wow..
DaSourcespr06 3 years ago
to be usenest I think they force church on people back then I heard clara ward mother force her to sing at differt shows guess these was no choice and it but to do as you told to do
lifeofchangesforme 3 years ago
Church wasn't really forced on Clara per se. I have an interview where she admitted to wanting to learn how to play the piano at a young age so that she could travel around with her mother to various churches. Once the Ward Singers became famous, and they had more bookings than they could handle (this is why they had multiple groups), things were overwhelming for Clara. Nonetheless, Clara Ward enjoyed her work.
Rowoches 3 years ago
oh ok
lifeofchangesforme 3 years ago 2
Terrible mother you should read what Willa wrote
Tinamusicreggaeluv 3 years ago 2
I actually was going to ask something aboot that...
1joker88 3 years ago
I want to read the book too bcuz its on wikipedia how she was a controlling mother. I didn't want to believe it but wikipedia isn't gonna give false statements. So sad and to have such talented daughters
hudson19947 3 years ago
I did! Sad, absolutely sad! Clara Ward's music was such a blessing, but what a terrible price to pay. Thank God Willa got to do differently with her daughters. That's why we as mothers have to be balanced, prayed up and connected with God, and raise our children to choose the right way instead of pressuring them.
Marsena 3 years ago
What is the name of the book?
jamminondakeys 3 years ago
HOW I GOT OVER: Clara Ward & the World-Famous Ward Singers, by Willa Ward Royster
Rowoches 3 years ago
Yes Lord now I'm going to bed I just been blessed. Then she took it to church at the end.
Darneloh 3 years ago
LOL! Amen...
Rowoches 3 years ago
Amen...LOL! "Play it, chirrun!"
Rowoches 3 years ago
Yes that's the best part and though the night is daaark lool!Her voice is so funny to me her phrasing of words. Like when she suppose to say dedicate she says "I'm gone detikate" and " Because The storm is passing over and one day we all can say hallelujah". I love it and don't eat too much today alright!!!
Darneloh 3 years ago 2
Great Post. You're right a lot of gospel listeners have never heard Mother Ward sing. Keep up the good work.
PurpleSnowman29 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing this Dwayne. It takes me back to the time when I saw Mrs. Ward and Clara and her singers at Disneyland and various clubs in the Los Angeles area.
ocroger 3 years ago
Thank you again friend. I just finally put a voice with a face last night. Gertrude sho could sing. I would have started my on group too!!! LOL!!!
kbolden07 3 years ago
Ya'll forgive my comment I had got confused earlier. Gertrude mmmh If I can't say nothing "waving my hand"
kbolden07 3 years ago
LMAO!
Rowoches 3 years ago