#61 Zero's not-so-good OC-MPMM replication

[TheNavitas]

Zero, I don't know if this occurred to you, but if you look at the video closely, you'll see that you are in fact spinning the magnets in opposition to each other. thus they will be fighting each other and slowing down instead of speeding up.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@TheNavitas Which is exactly how demo was conducted. I now believe he actually did witness and record for us an anomaly for reasons the original builder did not understand or was able to repeat reliably. I believe I know why and I am working on a new model to prove it. I call it the VFPMM (Vortex Field). The principal, if it works, would also explain such motors as the Howard Johnson PMM.

My OSPMM failed to embody this principal. Stay tuned because I'm pretty excited about this one.

[poisonforlunch]

@TheNavitas my exact observation too. its like swimming up current.

[0UnknownSoldier0]

You need to spin the smaller magnetet anti-clockwise for it to work.

[ngern]

This one is crap!

[vossua]

So where's the interlaced timing mechanism? I'm NOT saying this design works, I thought there was a motor driving the system beneath personally my self, but unless one has the magnet system constrained, [flywheel included] must surely not self sustain because there is [as you said] nothing to keep them in synch. Also, there is no way to harcest any power from them at this level of development...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@vossua Actually, that was sort of the point of this "not so good" demo. The original OCMPMM also had no timing mechanism other than the magnetic interaction between rotor and stators, timing regulated by inertia of the spinning stators. I do believe Alsetalokin may have observed an anomaly but not for the reasons he thought, which is why he could not replicate it faithfully. My new attempt with the VFPMM will explore this in greater detail.

Thanks for watching!

[jr9098]

Hi zero: i think that

for the magnets to spin on the own, they have to spin opposite to each other, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise....

just a suggestion!!

[JHONYTEEMD]

Hi,

I really appreciate you sharing these videos.

I am no scientist or anything near but with all the respect I like to make a comment on this experiment video.

What I see here is basically two magnets pulling each other which slow down the spin. Also it looks almost impossible for you to calibrate which part of magnets would face each other during spinning. You might want to try a model that you are in control of the poles so magnets push each other.

Best of luck.

[truckerzero]

i got a great test idea on your motor that had the stator that moved up and down .move it up and down with a small electric motor and a wheel with a bar attached like how a steam train works then attach another motor to the rotor gear it up if you have to and then you could measure the watts in and watts out to see if you can reach over unity if you can then youll have a proof of concept device and that would be a remarcable achievment best of luck!!!

[Danster82]

Why would you expect this to work its not even close to a replica.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Fair enough. Show me an accurate replica that works. Just one will be enough.

[hvadgorvisaa]

he is turning the smaller magnet in the wrong direction

[aruepke]

no he isn´t

[jathan7710]

Maybe the magnet should be on the inside if you go the non electromagnet route.

[jathan7710]

connet some kind of mechanical device to tunr it auto on its own,. or why dont you make the out-side magnet an electromagnet an have it revers polarity that way. with some electronics

[4allvideos]

Hi, Hey you are pushing them in oposite directions, look at your video again, you need to push them, one wheel clockwise and the other counterclockwise, dada.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

No, you don't. Watch the original OC-MPMM videos. I achieves synchronization with the rotor & stator both spinning in the same direction, "Anti-gearwise".

[jeffnicq]

My friend this not enough to disprove you must have 3 primers

[SsKSniper2]

Hello, I was thinking how everyone has been doing a pusle motor but if you look at "Adminonduty" video you will notice how little power it takes to just move the magnet a small amount. I am not a builder but it might be worth a shot????

I have been watching everything you have been doing...Keep up the great work!!!!

[4sineweaver2]

Well, it's a cool way to make a non-contact transmission.

[jamesroney]

Yes you did... You are not spinning the stator in the correct direction; it was immediately apparent.

One turns counterclockwise and the other clockwise.

I kid you not.

[heatnman]

Opps! I think you were spinning the small rotor the wrong way!! It appears that when you slowly spun the large rotor CW (clockwise)the small rotor turned CCW (counter clockwise) as expected. [Think how two gears would interact.] When you spun the large rotor fast CW you also spun the small one CW which would stop the larger one. Had they been gears it would have been more obvious.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Oops! No I didn't.

[jarvalheru]

keep thinking about the oc mpmm. what if a device like this was to be utilized in outer space? no gravity, and all that other stuff... think that would change things?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Not really.

[rawdman]

make your driver resemble the driven on the same plane, also weight and diameter...trust me it will work...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Show us yours.

[USACitizenJames]

Great vid Mr ZeroFossilFuel!

I tend to agree with your hypothesis about the "whatchamacalitt- Dampers" possibly being electromagnetic coils driving the motor, since there was a speed shift change 2 coils may account for this...

But then... I also listen close and hear the whistle/hum as he spins it and it just seems too perfect (like the old airplane manual startups) to hoax. Doubtful but hopeful.

[jarvalheru]

what if, 3 other small spinning "things" (forming a square) are placed around the "large wheel". If the "large wheel" is provided with power/rotation; will the 4 small spinning "things" be able to sustain the whole rotation, there4 generating power?

What if the magnets on the "large wheel" had their polarities revered every other? so +,-,+,-,etc, and 2 out of the 4 small rotating "things" had the polarity reversed as well. would that change anything?

pls be kind, dont have education on this

[jarvalheru]

nm, i watched other videos and educated myself a bit more. sorry about that

[siuksline]

If you noticed so good on video rotation of small magnets,how coudn't you notice that magnets is in horizontal posittion and they interracting additional magnet with bouth poles.Check once again :)

[SublimeStoner]

Why did you give up your ospmm? I think it very possible to create sinusodial motion of the stator arm using a certain oscillating circuit. Your work and the idea of "over unity" has inspired me to become an electrical engineer. However, I think we need to be politically active as well in order to get support from the people in this fight against the entrenched powers that control the distrubution of energy in the world.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Who says I gave up? I'm just one guy with a very full plate.

[flagtube]

No, the "ORIGINAL" has a different SETUP. +- -+ +- -+ +- -+ Magnets on the BIG wheel. So the BIG wheel is somehow magnetically charged or loaded.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The orientation of my magnets is the same. Like poles facing each other all the way around the rotor.

Try again.

[closetpunk2006]

I don't know ZeroFossilFuel personally, but I've been watching his videos for a long time. I'm pretty sure he's not working for any oil company. Z

[jmminu]

I suggest then ZeroFossilFuel change the title of his video and its description because it's missleading. No one reads comments that are not on the first page so the fact it's not a good replica should be in the description.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You got it.

[jmminu]

Don't you think the magnet shapes are making your rotation non linear as you say? Look at the original, the shapes are completely different. Most importantly you need round magnets on the outside and longitunal ones in the main disk. Otherwise your magnetic fields are so different from the original there's little chance it's going to work. You can't debunk anything with a replica that's only 20% correct. Make one wonder if you're a poser paid by the oil companies. "What a shame"!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Even I made the same comment as you about the round stators if you'd bother to take the time to just read.

And I repeat my question, have any of the "good" replications worked any better than mine? Hmmmm?

[AshMan32]

not a very good replica

[ZeroFossilFuel]

And have any of the "good" replications worked any better than mine? Hmmmm?

[Prowler222Hotmail]

Ok, just a quick comment. Did you consider the fact that your heavy steel washer may be interacting with the magnets on the rotor?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It's not as close as it appears.

[apsert]

Try conecting a raw strip of copper joining to the magnets together. Try using the strip

either on the inside then outer base of the magnets and then let me know how you get on wont you.

[actt22008]

An accurate peer review would include an 'exact' replication. Comparable results cannot be expected when you use square ferrite magnets while the device being analyzed uses round neo diametrically magnetized cylinders. You might also recheck the polarities of your rotor magnets with that of a couple of others that do run. Skepticism is fine, cynicism however is unfair and non productive.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

If you would read JUST a little bit you would see that I have already conceded this point.

[Rotitomato]

I sort of figured that this would be the outcome.

[FBIcybercrime]

Zero, I THINK you were suppose to spin the flywheel the opposite direction (gearwise) than of the direction the big wheel were spinning. Also, my next experiment would be to connect a high RPM motor in the middle of the big wheel, turn ON the motor so the big wheel could rotate at a very very very high speed and ONCE the fly wheel is rotating at a "killing" speed disconnect the motor of the unit and see if it retains its RPM speed. Try that,

[ZeroFossilFuel]

The natural rotation is gearwise. Al's demo takes the stator and reverses the direction, antigearwise, just as I showed. I still believe the mechanics of my replication are quite faithful to the original with one exception, the stator magnet itself. The field shape is quite different around a crosswise polarized donut shaped magnet over a rectangular shape. That's why I feel the jury is still out.

[smokyatgroups]

it's ok to be a sceptic, valid critisism can't be made unless on the basis of 100% FAITHFUL replication. thanks for your effort anyway Zero.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I digress. It was a less than ambitious replication. But, considering I do not have a milling machine, YET, I do okay with what I can scrounge. It seems to me if acceleration can be achieved without direct gearing between the rotor and stator, The same should be achievable with direct gearing and proper timing.

I would love 2c slo-mo playback from a high speed video during accel.

I'm anxious to see what Clanzer gets for results, 9au4O6_QuSs Rooting for him all the way.

[jcndizo]

A least the lighting is better.

[phxariz85020]

thanks for the explanation!

[pi3573]

hey Zero your my hero buddy , i think if you loook closely you'll find that the config you use and the oc model has the difference of yours exposing only one pole and the oc has the magnets laid out in a different fasion ie. each of the rotor magets are exposing both the norht and south fields as they pass the stators.

[dareka11]

It's a bit embarrassing you bastardize the original idea and then complain it doesn't work. At least you gave credit to Clanzer. So you've canceled yourself out to a big juicy zero! Well done fossil fuel!!

[dareka11]

As in Clanzer will likely get a replication going if anyone will. That's not to take away from the achievements of OC and AL...

[klopdisselboom]

oh sorry my bad, i've seen some of the other videos now.

still you seem to be a few magnets short, and maybe a more precise setup. i'm just guessing though;)

-Klopdisselboom-

[klopdisselboom]

hey Zero

i'm not saying that this should work, not even in the least.

but should you not spin the small wheel in the other direction???

-Klopdisselboom-

[glen196969]

is the the stator supposed to spin the same direction or the opposite ??

[thinkofwhy]

Ya, that's what I thought also. Why did he hold the stator, then force spin in the opposite direction??? This is nuts. :(

[kurtilein3]

this device cannot possibly be a source of energy, you are attempting to break the fundamental laws of physics, and the universe disobeys your orders.

[baw1baw]

I have been playing with a Magnetix set over Christmas and have tried to achieve a similar result. I have observed that a tiny bit of energy to start the device gets conserved and used for very long time, there's probably a PhD waiting for anyone that can explain this effect! But like this one, mine eventually stops...:-(

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I don't know. The jury is still out. Check this guy watch?v=9au4O6_QuSs If anyone is going to replicate the OC-MPMM he is the one. I'm curious to see what happens when he gets the original stator magnets. The non-linear motion from original vid is even more profound with these magnets than the ones I tried to use.

[UnderwaterADV]

This made me chuckle :), I think you made a good conclusion. Although this isn't an identical replica it does show the main interaction which is important.

lets hope other replicas are more successful for all our sakes, but I will have to say this is one which i think just can't work.

[JavaLessons]

You said it : "quick and dirty"...

[eyepatchentertainmen]

Even if Al and OC's device was fake. This device is so different, it not really comparable. I myself believe that Al has some type of enviromental artifact that is causing the rotation that we see in the video, and that it is not faked. Is Al's device overunity? I don't know, but to test it, you need build a device that at least looks similar.

[jas111000]

It surprises me it even spins that much.

Good job zero. Far as I'm concerned, this one is busted.

[sn1pe352]

glad to see your still alive zero :P

also staying skeptical as always

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Always.

[s0710463]

One idea might be to use one or more magnets to help pull the stator, so that when one is pulling, the other is between positions. When you set it to spin it might be able to maintain the motion for a bit longer. Keep on researching!

[jcndizo]

You might try adding 2 more stator magnets (120 degrees apart)just like the original OC-MPMM.

[bcnightlife]

I am sorry ZFF but that was not a fair replication and I for one would hope you are a better person then your statement shows you are because it was a disrespectful statement due to you not properly replicating the original design before posting your negative comments and results of your not even close replication.

[XRRep]

i agree your not even close to duplicating his, and i think your spinning the single mag the wrong way. wholly molly man

[XRRep]

disregaurd  the single mag direction

[flahr1]

I think you should try to create a better replication of this one zero.

[flahr1]

as this one is not even close to a replication

[mjrpain]

Also he was spinning the smaller magnet ANTICLOCKWISE

[ZeroFossilFuel]

No, it starts anticlockwise. Then he manually spins it clockwise to kickstart the assembly. Pay attention.

[johnriven]

You're kidding, right? You can be as skeptical as you want and as much as I appreciate the other things you've done this is just sad. Calling it a replication is a stretch.

[PMorphy65]

Do you think the other two magnets had anything to do with it? They were aligned a special way. When the magnet he spun was at the tip or in between the magnets on the flywheel, the other two where at directly next to magnets on the flywheel. I noticed this because all three spinning magnets where at odd angles to the flywheel. They weren't at 60 degrees which I had thought they'd be.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I don't know. The jury is still out. Check this guy watch?v=9au4O6_QuSs If anyone is going to replicate the OC-MPMM he is the one. I'm curious to see what happens when he gets the original stator magnets. The non-linear motion from original vid is even more profound with these magnets than the ones I tried to use.

[overunitydotcom]

Hi ZFF, I also think the AL video was a fake otherwise he would have shown clearer and more lighted videos. But I would like to comment on your HHO vaccuum test. Why did you put a bubbler before the vaccuum pump ? Then in my opinion this will not draw a real vaccuum onto the cell but only onto the output of the bubbler and thus no real vaccuum in the cell... You should try directly the vaccuum pump at the cell. Many thanks for your hard work. Regards, Stefan.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Vacuum is the same on both sides of the bubbler. Operating without a bubbler to prevent flashback is out of the question.

[angelwolf71885]

hi zero im a fan of your HHO work

i like your over unity work

but i have noticed something about your tests with this device

u are spining the sinle magnit in the opasite direction that the weel of magnits is spining

there fore u are createing drag

try sping the stashonary magnit int he same direction as the moveing magnits

as well as lest the weel of magnints spin the stashonary magnint

i think u will find more intersting results that way

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You need to watch the original oc-mpmm video what he does to the stator magnet. This was not a mistake.

[angelwolf71885]

i did a serch for it but alls that pops up is

one with a clear bace...is that the one?

but im not nessacerly saying it is a mistake

but it dosent make alot of sence to spin the stashanary mag in the oppasit direction

bc as i understand it is that it would create an oposeing force rather then a sustaneing force...thus just canceling out the enargy

just dosent make sence to me thouh lol

[angelwolf71885]

but i still think u will git intersting results leting the moveing magnits controll the speed of the stahanary mag

bc its possable that the stahanary mag could end up out of sink with the moveing magnits

infact its very likely

i know u are just trying to reproduse the origanial work

bc if its not repeteable its not since lol

sorryfor the dobble post i had alot to say lol

and sorry for the mis spellings

[czarwright]

Yea, it got me too. thanks for the info again.

[fingers1572]

I'm the first to view!

more interested in your hydrogen production stuff its exciting.

in the middle of building my own hydrogen cracker

I'm on mark 4