What Christians argue that you can prove the trinity scientifically? None that I know of, and that analogy to water (which I find as a poor one) is just that, an analogy some use to help people understand the concept of the trinity.
But what more do you expect from Muslims? They can only look good when they make their own caricature of the Bible and Christians.
And of course Naik uses his straw man argument "show me a single anecdotal statement where jesus says i am god, worship me. This can easily be rebutted by asking "find me a single anecdotal statement in the bible, or the quran where jesus specifically says in these words i am not god, dont worship me". If muslims cant, then it is very telling. It just shows circular reasoning and a double standard
now naik says the trinity is not in the bible. the word itself is not, but its definition is. In Matthew ch 28 18-20 Jesus states "I have been given all authority on heaven and on earth. so go out baptising men in the name of the father, the son and holy ghost". trinity right there. And besides, the thing i have to ask muslims is part of it admitted to be true in surah 2 vs 53 which says "we gave jesus son of mary veritable signs and strengthened him with the holy ghost"? seems odd......
Now muslims will still say "why does god need to eat". the answer is simple. God, did not need to eat if he so chose to. the only reason why he ate was because he did not rely on his divine nature. He was relying on his human nature so that he can go through all the temptations humans go through, die, and be resurrected so that he could be our representative to the father. In Luke chp 24 vs 25-26 he states "Was it not necessary for the Messiah to suffer these things and then enter his glory?"
@SPANISHBITE buddy, you needs to know that what the bible was saying was that christ humbled himself and took the form of a man, and lived the perfect life that we could not so that he could represent us in front of the father. Just because Jesus was 'tempted' or tested by Satan does not make him less divine. Satan tries to test god all the time. Does that make god any less of a divine being just because Satan tries to test him?
@SPANISHBITE The other thing too on the issue of 'god dieing'. Your looking at it from a human perspective and taking into full consideration gods perspective. Yes, christ as a human representative before the father 'died' because he incurred the wrath of the father that should have been for us. But because he was able to conquer death, that proves his divinity as the Son of God. If he was unable to conquer death, that would make him just another mortal man
@jamaicanification so God has to conquer death, he made death but still has to conquer it. this is so deluded and quite illogical. a God that dies is no God at all. and Jesus the innocent the lam incurred the wrath of the God from a just merciful god for our sins? again illogical and totally insane. when a religion is made by men, it crumbles so easily when faced with the truth.
If salvation is your goal, look into Islam my friend and stop your ego from misleading you.
@glower125 buddy, my ego isn't misleading me. What the bible says is that his body was killed but his spirit wasn't broken. And yes, he had to incur the wrath from god on our behalf because no matter how many works we performed, it would not please gods infinity, ultimate and perfect standard. Thats why if you read the old testament in levitcus, everytime someone broke the commandments they had to offer an animal sacrifice for their sins. this foreshadowed the sacrifice on the cross christ made
@glower125 also, you call me deluded? I have nothing against islam and respect it. but if you want me to comment, why should i trust a book that says jesus came to the earth and was about to be crucified, but at the last second god either 'made it look like he died', or substituted him for another person. That sounds like it has problems. Your either saying god is a liar or god is an unjust god. thats not the god i know
hmmm, where to respond to Naiks misrepresentation of what the bible says. His H2O arguments sounds nice but can easily be rebutted. the fact is that in the christian doctrine we believe in what is called the hypostasic union. this means that jesus is of two natures, one divine, and one human. Now obviously he did not start out that way because in the gospel of john chp1 vs 14 states "the word became flesh and full of grace and truth lived among us"
Just look at the" Mubahala" prophet took with Najaran christians.Christians refused to do it because we suppossed to love and bless our enemies.Prophet took this together with Fatima,Ali,Hussain and Hassain.According to Mubahala,the liar will die within a year.The disputed question here was about the divinity of Jesus.Look at what happened prophet and Fatima died exactly within one year.Hussain and Hassain both murdered latter.What is your conclusion from this real story?
Just check you facts. If a god is beyond our space-time continuum, how can a god create something in our time and space? Can a god create a square circle? Can a god create a stone too heavy to lift?
Again: if a god creates a perfect creation, he does does not need to test it. Only humans need to test their products because they are faulty. So the whole concept is human made. Pure logics.
Your are thinking like putting you and God on the same level.What is your concept about God? or are you an atheist? If you are an atheist who is the owner of all universe or all the hidden mysteries there?According to The Bible for God 1000 years is like a day or an hour in the night.Can you comprehend such a super being who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?All the scientific discoveries are hidden knowledge God allowed human to discover . Nothing new there
Ooops, no, how can I put something on any level if that something does not exist?
Absolutely yes, I am an anti-theist, because I do not wish for a god to exist. If a god presents itself to me, I will accept the existence, but nothing more. But then again, I could be wrong.
You are discarding the logics that nature - or a god - created. I showed you how omni-anything cannot exist. It's impossible. This is not belief, but a fact.
he is such an expert that he has been proven to be a liar by atheist who have shown that his so called koranic scientific miracles were already known by the ancient greeks, and also been called unislamic and contradicting the koran by muslims religious leaders
u call me ignorant yet your logic actually is worse than useless - you are the one that equates a person not being able to answer as meaning they are agreeing with the criticism yet it is obvious this would not be the case. All it proves is that Zakir Naik is a better showman.
maybe you should check out the youtube where an atheist destroys naik's so called koranic scientific miracles, and these are facts not opinions.
he also says that it was a miraculous scientific miracle in the koran proclaiming that the moon is only relfected light and di ot have its own light as previously thought, hmmmm that is nearly good except anaxagoras mentioned this over 1000 years before the koran was created
@karate1970 well dumbass its not a scientific mistake is it , you just found an individual who happened to think that but there were many others who thought the opposite
so why doesnt the quran have any scientifc mistakes
the ancient greeks thought the earth was flat until colombus yes some thought it wasnt but majority flat
no it is a mistake - it is a mistake on zakir naik's part - he claims something as a scientific miracle that wasl already known a 100 years before the koran was invented
actually the greeks knew the earth was a shpere - Ptolemy worked this out - 100's years before your prophet plagarised him and any other greek he knew of
@karate1970 look if a thousand people all mention different views on the earth obviously someone will hit the hammer on the head or close enough, then you start pointing the one individual saying you chose him from the rest , impossible guess
so how come there isnt a scientific mistake in the quran
What do u mean by 'prophet plagarised him and any other greek he knew of ' if Prophet Muhammed PBUH had copied everything he would have copied everything including the errors. U dont make any sence mate
well evidently it is a scientific miracle that the koran reports a barrier between sweet water and slt - but do you think those people living beside deltas would have lready have known that and also delta have mixed salinities so there is no barrier
IT ISN'T DR NAIKS OPINIONS - HE HAD GIVEN REFERENCES FROM THE BIBLE TO PROVE WHERE HE GOT THE BIBLICAL ERRORS FROM YET YOU CLAIM ITS HIS OPINIONS. AND YET YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY ANSWERS THAT DR CAMBELL COULDN'T.
DONT WASTE MY TIME BY BEING AS THICK AND IGNORANT AS DR CAMBELL.
i did not claim i could answer his questions but i stated that you saying that because Dr Campbell could not refute them did not mean he agreed with them - which is what you originally stated
but then again - why does Naik not actually debate somebody who has experience in this field like william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood - instead of you muslims harking back to this old video as if it proves islam's superiority - it does not - nice to see you are polite as well
Is Dr Cambell not experienced enough? If so, he could not answer the errors in Bible and if not then he shouldn't have had a debate with Dr Naik.
Why dont you get william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood to contact Dr Naik and arrange a debate? Get them to email Dr Naik by going to Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) website.
Dr naik had many debates with many christians but none could answer the errors in Bible.
Let me know when and where the debate would take place and ill be there myself to witness william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood fail to answer the errors in Bible ust like the rest.
There are a group of CHRISTIANS who claim to be Muslims and they distribute papers with Arabic writing and claim it is Qur'an but they actually write references from the Bible but in Arabic text
THEY ARE LIARS AND DECEIVING PEOPLE TO READ BIBLE RATHER THAN QUR'AN.
Im not forcing you to accept Islam or to read the Qur'an but u could read it if u want to. However, these christians are forcing people.
Dr. Naik did not crush the Trinity because he cannot crush God, Dr. Naik can only be ignorant of God and fool only those more ignorant than himself for the Trinity is God the Creator who created all humankind as part of himself and who vowed to come to his people in which they would see him (Isaiah 35:4-6) in order to prove his love for us and to return us to the knowledge that God himself is with all people to guide them and those who ask for awareness of that fact can experience his realism
@BonjourNuit120 Back to topic, Muhammad in the Bible: Deuteronomy 18:18 has already been discussed. But tell me what you makes of the following passages: John 14:16 and John 16:12-13. This, linked with deuteronomy 18:18, is clear evidence that Muhammad is prophecised in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:15 tells us to heed Muhammad's words. Moses AND Jesus both prophecised about Muhammad, will you continue to ignore Jesus and Moses, by rejecting Muhammad??
Naik not only lied to his own fellow Muslims, he also believed in his lies.
The Trinity is One God with 3 roles foretold of the coming messiah as in the Torah, Isaiah 9:6 onto us a Son is given, he will be called mighty God, Everlasting Father and wonderful Counselor. The Son of God in Christianity means God took on a human form
Muslims have no right to put their big nose into Christianity when they are too afraid to question the contradictions and hatred prescribed to them in the Quran.
@BonjourNuit120 No, the Quran says Muslims should respect the Bible/Torah since they both contain truth of Islam, however they have been changed/corrupted by the hands of men through time. And what do the facts say? Many educated christian scholars openly admit that the Bible has definately been editted by men. According to the Quran, SOME of the Bible is correct, and the facts back this up by showing that the Bible contains messages from MEN aswell as GOD. Quran remains 100%, Bible does not.
@FireSign27 There is no logic to your statement, that the Quran says Muslims should respect the Bible when Islam is not the Truth.Only Islam contradicted and corrupted the Bible
Muhammad prescribed war to the Muslim when war is evil. Muhammad used all the prophets to endorse himself instead he exposed that he was a false prophet.
Your god Allah is not the God of Abraham, Moses or of the Jews or Christians, in fact Allah is only a rock in the kaaba.
@BonjourNuit8 No, the Bible DOES have many contradictions. The Quran doesnt bribe suicide, it says self harm is forbidden actually. The Bible DOES contain the word of God, but ALSO contains words of men. The Quran puts guidelines on everything we need, even war. Islam controls War, it forbids Muslims to start wars, only defend, and still there are many rules.
@FireSign27 The Bible remains the word of God for it does not need the approval nor acceptance of the Muslims who have been deceived by Satan
for God himself endorses the Bible by fulfilling his promises he made in the Bible as with the return of the Jews in 1948.
Muhammad claimed he confirmed the Bible but he broke almost every one of the Ten Commandments beginning with thou shall have no other gods before me, and Muhammad added Satan before his god and Muslims bow down towards the kaaba
@BonjourNuit8 So you tihnk the Bible is the complete and untouched word of God? What about Deutronomy 18:18, this passage can ONLY refer to Muhammad, Jesus (PBUH) does not fit into the prophecy. And the prophecy HAS come true, yet you deny it - and so you deny the "word of God". The Bible contains the words of MEN, and many passages have been added/REMOVED, and there are many versions of the Bible with many contradictions, why would the Word of God be problemed by confusion?
Acts 3:21-22, Acts 7:37, John 1:45, and even Jesus said so himself as in John 5: 46
You are taught to reject the Bible, so it is Muslims who reject the word of God
You cannot use our Bible to endorse the world's only false prophet as the Bible proves Muhammad's religion of deception and war is the anti Christ and God's own enemy
@BonjourNuit8 Yes, Deutronomy DOES apply to non-Jews, The bretheren of the Isrealites are the Ishmaelites, the Arabs. 18:18 Does prophecise about Muhammad, since Muhammad is MUCH more like Moses than Jesus (Specially the Christian view of Jesus!!), and Muhammad ONLY spoke the words God gave him, just like 18:18 says. If 18:18 was talking about Jesus, why didnt it mention the miraculous Birth, or the miracles that Jesus did?
@FireSign27 Deut 18:18 does not apply to non Jews. I told you there are 4 biblical passages that prove Deut 18:18 pertains to the messiah not to Muhammad
God chose Isaac over Ishmael (Gen 17:19) It does not matter that the Muslims deem themselves Ishmaelites for Ishmaelites are not Jews and only Jews were chosen to be prophets
Jacob never said to his offspring be Muslims before you die, because God changed Jacob's name to Israel and Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael, Moses were Hebrews not Arabs
@BonjourNuit8 Yes, only Jews were chosen to be prophets, until they tried to kill the Messiah - Jesus. Well actually Christians believe they DID kill Jesus so.. Not only did the Jews refuse and reject Jesus, but they also tortured him. Read Surah 2:47 and onwards (until where ever you wish to stop), it talks about the Jews, and maybe will better explain why the last prophet was not Jewish.
@BonjourNuit8 Muhammad didnt hate the Jews, he went to the Jews of early Medina, in hopes of finding peace since they both believed in a somehwat similar religion, however the Jews became hostile to Muhammad and Islam. and lead an attack against the Muslims. You really shouldn't say Islam if of Satan, you are severely misinformed on what Islam actually is. I suggest you forget everything youve seen on the news/in the media, and learn about ISLAM, from educated MUSLIMS.
@FireSign27 Muhammad was never like Moses, although Muhammad set himself up as though he was the greatest of all prophets when he was the only false prophet who used God to invent a religion of war against the Jews and all other non Muslims
God never spoke to Muhammad, Muhammad spoke only what Muhammad wanted
Do you really think your religion of hatred, contradictions, would come from God?
Think again, because Islam will be destroyed by God that is how evil Islam is.
@BonjourNuit8 Wait, MY religion of contradicitons? Let me wave a fact up, youve not been able to mention a single contradiction in the Quran, yet i could give you many contradictions in the Bible, right here and now. That is simply the fact. Can a Book which contains many contradictions and MANY VERSIONS - which has all been modified by MAN, be the word of God? Wouldn't God protect his word from contradictions/modification from men? Well ofcourse he would! Just as he has done with the Quran.
@BonjourNuit8 Well the fact that Jesus lead a life full of Miracles, and the fact that he had 10 fingers dont really compare. If D 18:18 mentioned a single miracle in the prophecy, it would be Jesus - NO DOUBT! And the Miracles of Jesus were pretty important in Jesus's prophethood, surely if D 18:18 wanted to prophecise about Jesus, it would have mentioned the Miracles. And the thing is, KJV has been modified greatly by MEN, it alone contains MANY contradictions - still the word of God?
@FireSign27 I found a place that displays all the English translations of the Quran at the same time
The difference between you and me, is that you lie and you believe in your lies and you do not even know that you lie for you have lied most of all your life.
9/11 was done by Muslims, just as the 13,000 terrorists attacks since then,
that you deny this fact is why you defend a religion of hatred and war not realizing you defend only Satan
So learn that fact the hard way and don't write to me
@BonjourNuit8 Wow actually the percentage of terorist attack done by Muslims is a SMALL PERCENTAGE!! BTW Don't act like you know me all of a sudden. Ive researched 9/11, and i've found the aqusation on Al Qaeda to be a bloody joke. All the evidence is out there, its not my fault you have failed to educate yourself on the matter.
@FireSign27 The Quran does prescribe suicide, for it states those who kill or who are killed for Allah will be rewarded with paradise which is a lie.
Since 9/11, there has been 13,000 terrorists attacks for Muslims believe killing non Muslims will get them instantly into paradise when it gets them only into hell.
For it is both suicide and murder. God does not require such sacrifice, for God created us and knows us and a true prophet was only to return you to the fact God is with all people
@BonjourNuit8 No the Quran absolutely does NOT prescribe suicide. In Islam, life is a gift, and to throw it away is considered very bad. The Quran tells us to FIGHT nonmuslims, not kill them through suicide - fight can also mean things like argue, or debate. A Muslim can fight without starting wars - and should do, since we must follow the WHOLE Quran, not bits. Your claims are baseless, where does it say, in the Quran, that suicide is acceptable? And 9/11 was an inside job.
@FireSign27 A pattern was forged, when Muhammad beheaded over 600 years, he falsely accused them of breaking a treaty that only he had broken.
Worse than that lie, is that Muhammad then accused the angel of the Lord of saying: I will strike terror into the hearts of infidels, strike off their heads and their finger tips 8:12
This passage is Muhammad projecting blame onto the Angel of the Lord, thus is why you say deny responsibility for 9/11 as it is an Islamic pattern to blame others
@BonjourNuit8 In 8:12 there is no blame shift, what 'Quran' are you reading, my friend? The Jewish tribe attacked Muhammad and his companions at Medina, they provoked Muhammad, and so Muhammad faught back. There was no peace treaty between the tribe and Muhammad, it was between the people of Mecca and Muhammad. BTW The only evidence that 9/11 was the middle east, is Bush's word, everything else says it was an inside job. You're following the non-believer pattern of un-educating yourself.
@FireSign27 For you to say in Islam, life is a gift is for you either to lie about what the Quran says or for you to not know the Quran. Muhammad said Surah 2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not ... Ye desire the passing fruitions of this world, but God desireth the next life for you.
Indeed you confessed Islam does tell you to fight non Muslims, because Islam is war and war is evil
Dying trying to kill others as with suicide bombers is both suicide and Murder
@BonjourNuit8 Can you please message me your next reply, its silly posting numerous comments. And yes, the Quran tells us to fight nonmuslims, but ill repeat, fighting doesn't directly mean kill/war, debating/argueing can be fighting also. War is a small part of Islam, and its great that Islam contains guidance on times of war, since people can get carried away on the battlefield - Islam gives regulations and limits to war, Islam makes it as humane and ethical as possible.
@FireSign27 Islam pretends to control even war, forbidding Muslims to start wars and only to defend Islam, such as sura 5:33 which states the recompense of those who war against God and his apostle, and commit disorders on the earth, shall be slain or crucified or have alternate hands and feet cut off
Islam began in Arabia, no one waged war against Arabia, yet only Islam was the invader of Africa, Asia, Europe and throughout the Middle East.
It is ONLY Islam that provokes, tricks and deceives
@BonjourNuit8 No, Islam DOES control war. The only provocation, tricks or decievement that arises from Islam, are through the FOLLOWERS of Islam, and not Islam itself. The error is in humanity, not our Creator's guidance. Islam didn't begin with Muhammad, it was finalised THROUGH Muhammad and in Arabia. Arabia waged war with Muhammad in his early days of prophethood, exiling him to the deserts, Muhammad ONLY retaliated in defence - he didn't start any wars/conflicts.
@FireSign27 You have a nerve to say, the Bible has been changed by the hands of men when the Quran contradicts the Bible by bribing men to kill themselves for Allah and should they survive, they are rewarded with domination, spoils and female slaves.
The Bible remains the word of God because God honors his word even if you Muslims do not. Question your own Quran, see the hundreds of contradictions, its bribes, its threats,
Muhammad added Satan before your god with lies, hatred and violence.
@BonjourNuit8 Islam is guidance for all people on Earth, from all walks of life.. Hatred and War are both part of mankind, Islam controls these, and everything else that needs to be controlled. A religion to not include war simply isn't complete. And you talk about the Quran having many contradiction and bribes. Ive not seen ant - perhaps you could bring some to light?? Cause i don't think there are any contradictions, if you've found even 1, please, lets see it.
@FireSign27 Islam is not the guidance for all people on earth as it teaches nothing and Islam contradicts God who is with all humankind. Islam is war using God,it merely seeks to conquer than to oppress the world with a belief in a rock called Allah in which Muhammad used to send himself suras when ever it suited him. Islam permits lying, hating, violence, exploitation or all that perpetuates hell on earth
Hatred and war is part of mankind but only Muhammad invented a religion of war using God.
@BonjourNuit8 Islam doesn't contradict God, if you believe it does, then by all means prove it (with Quranic quotes), if you cant prove it, then don't bring up baseless claims. Islam controlls war, and war is a tiny part of Islam. Islam says opression is worse than murder, and tells us that peace is better for us, and we should practice forgiveness. Allah isnt a rock. Islam is the ONLY religion which controls and restrains war, it doesnt monopolise it. You have no real knowlege about Islam.
@FireSign27 Islam does contradict God for Islam is War.
God never called Muhammad to be a prophet, Muhammad was made a prophet by his own family. Muhammad faced a choice between insanity and satanic possession, but he chose to believe his first wife who claimed he was a prophet.
God chose Isaac over Ishmael, to carry as Everlasting the Covenant (Gen 17:19) and that means only Jews were Chosen to be prophets
Therefore Muhammad contradicted God the moment he claimed he descended from Ishmael
@FireSign27 It is easy to prove Islam contradicts God and Islam is God's enemy Satan
God gave the Ten Commandments and Muhammad contradicted those very laws. Muhammad added a false god before God when he added Satan before Allah for Muhammad prescribed war to the Muslim and war is evil
sura 2:216
God said do not bow down towards idols and Muslims world wide bow 5 times a day towards the Kaaba which which is an idol that houses the idol Allah as Allah remains an idol in the Kaaba( Exodus 20:4)
@BonjourNuit8 You need to learn your stuff.. Sharia isn't Islam. Sharia is man made, and actually conflicts with Islam on some levels. Islam doesnt opress ANYONE, since Islam doesnt force itself on anyone - its not compulsary. How can sometihng that people can walk away from/dont have to follow, be opressing? You should stop talking about Islam, its clear that you dont know what you're talking about, and simply hate Islam.
@FireSign27 I know my stuff, Sharia Law is Islamic based on both the Quran and Hadith in which the Hadith is second in importance to the Quran. Sharia Law indeed is man made but it is the Islamic government throughout most Islamic nations.
Islam is only oppression, for Muhammad said kill those who leave the faith or are you going to deny what you know is true?
I do not hate Muslims but Islam is not from God and not only do you lie to defend Islam but you believe in your lies as did Muhammad
@FireSign You and the world can never have peace as Islam exists for Islam is war and war is lying, deceiving, brainwashing, hating and murdering or all that causes crimes or hell on the earth.
Allah is a rock, Muhammad removed all but Allah from the kaaba and he claimed that is what Abraham did sura 21:58 when Abraham was a Hebrew never a Muslim and Abraham knew the difference between idols and the true God which is the true God speaks.
@BonjourNuit8 You keep saying the same old falseness, over and over. I can bring up MANY surahs form the Quran which speak negatively about, and in some cases FORBID, everything you mentioned. Its funny that you bring up brainwashing, since the media ONLY portrays Islam in a bad light, and ONLY talks negatively about Islam, just like you, coincidence? You're claim that Allah is a rock is very ignorant. You truely know about Islam, and understand even less.
@FireSign27 The Media does not bring up Islam in a negative way. In fact the the media is ignorant that Islam is worst than Hitler's regime as only Islam uses God to oppress, to hate, to deceive and to kill both non Muslims and Muslims deemed hypocrite.
If Islam was pure evil, then Muslims would see that Islam is from Satan but Islam has both truth and falsehood which confuses Muslims and since Muhammad said do not question the Quran lest you doubt, Muslims only recite but question the Quran
@FireSign27 The Quran constantly contradicts itself because Muhammad was schizophrenic. What little truth there is in the Quran was taken from other sources but all its deceptions, threats, violence, hatred comes straight from Muhammad who hated rejection and loved to be praised as though he was above other men. God is not schizophrenic nor is God evil. For Muhammad to command kill for Allah for it is not you who slays them but God who slays them is for Muhammad to add Satan before God.
@FireSign27 You are commanded to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life time, you then go around the kaaba 7 times and you kiss a black stone as did Muhammad, that stone is Allah. For Allah was the biggest idol in the kaaba that once housed 360 idols. Removing all the other idols except Allah then taking the attributes of the True God from the Bible and putting them onto Allah does not transform Allah into a true god for an idol remains an idol.
@FireSign27 Islam does not control hatred and war, for it is war against all non Muslims on earth and it is war against all Muslims deemed hypocrites.
Islam does seek to control everything because it is oppressive and where ever Islam ruled came backwardness and poverty.
Islam has taken great nations and reduced them to ruins.
You stated, a religion that does not include War isn't complete.
Listen Satan, what you just wrote is not only insane but evil for
@BonjourNuit8 No, Jihad is not a war on non muslims, this is a misconception. Jihad is against the STRUGGLE of staying on the right path (Islam). One can make Jihad against their own actions (crimes etc). The Quran commands it's followers to follow the WHOLE Quran, and not chosen sections. Therefore Muslims are forbidden to attack anywhere outside retaliation/defence. Un-controlled war ruins the Earth. War SHOULD be controlled. Islam not only controls it, but encourages us to be peaceful.
@FireSign27 Deny is all you have done, thereby chaining yourself to Satan's sinking ship. Islam is war 66;9, 48;16, 2;216, 2;285
Jihad is war against non Muslims and the quran proves it hundreds of times. Islam is not a struggle to stay on the right path because Islam is the wrong path and Islam is easy to follow as it teaches nothing but bribes men with the false values of this world. Islam is only praising Allah and his partner Muhammad who demanded equal obedience and praise.
@BonjourNuit8 Why would i NOT deny falseness?? Ill say it again, Islam contains and CONTROLS war. Look at Hitler, he was a christian, the Bible didn't say anything about "Don't kill innocent people, or women or children, dont start wars, dont kill people who take shelter in their house etc etc", and Hitler ended up killing 6mil Jews and MANY more people. If the Bible controlled war like the Quran does, that wouldnt have happened (If Hitler was a true christian, which ofcourse is arguable).
@FireSign27 Too bad that you do not like it that I speak of Islam as it is. Someone has to be honest even though honesty is a foreign concept to the Muslim. There is no dark light cast onto Islam, Islam is only darkness with the false claim that it leads its followers out of the darkness into the light but war prescribed to the Muslim is pure darkness as no Muslim including Muhammad ever left the darkness and none ever entered the presence of the Light which is God's presence.
@FireSign27 Why would you not deny falsehood? You were taught what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right. YOU were taught to hate non Muslims is right when hating is wrong. YOU were taught the way into paradise is through dying trying to kill for Allah and that is a lie. Islam does not control war, Islam is war as it began in Arabia and invaded Non Islamic nations,then forced people to convert to Islam
Only Islam has this sura 2:285: "Give us Victory over Infidel nations
@FireSign27 Hitler was merely born a Christian but he became a national socialist. He promoted the ideology of caring for Germany and his people obeyed him without question. But Hitler was a sick man who had hatred towards all non Germans, same too with Muhammad, but the difference between Hitler and Muhammad is that only Hitler used God to justify his hatred towards non followers. Because of Hitler killed 50 Million people and because of Muhammad, 270 Million died because of him
@FireSign27 Hitler was not a believing Christian because Jesus never taught kill those who leave the faith, or kill those who reject Christianity.
What a croc of crap to say, if the Bible controlled war like the Quran does, that WW2 would not have happened. Hussein Saddam invaded Iran, Kuwait,
Muslims in Iraq slaughter each other, and Saudi Arabia fought amongst themselves until the oil was developed for them. That is why Muslims will never bring the world peace as they fight amongst themselves
@FireSign27 there are so many contradictions in the Quran that for a Muslim to deny them is for a Muslim to be blinded by fear
Did Muhammad have a noble pattern for Muslims to follow as he claimed in sura 33?
When Muhammad married a 6 year old, he falsely accused a tribe of breaking a treaty that only he broke, so that he beheaded over 600 boys and men for their spoils and females to become slaves.
For his belief in one God, he rewarded himself and his followers with spoils, domination
@BonjourNuit8 Don't tell me im blinded by fear, you have no idea. You've not even shown me a single contradiction, and now you're saying there are many. I suggest you read an accurate biography of Muhammad. His marriage to Aisha was completly legit. The Massacre of Bani Quraiza wasn't started by Muhammad. The Jewish tribes of early Medina were hostile against Islam, since it was a new monotheistic religion, and being firmly established. Islam was attacked first, by the Qurashites, at Medina.
I will tell you again you are blinded by fear as there are hundreds of Quranic contradictions and Muslims know it but deny it
A contradiction is when 2 claims oppose each other,such as claiming on one hand there is no compulsion in Islam while saying you have no choice but to obey Muhammad sura 33:36 is both compulsion and contradiction
You are blinded by fear as only Islam sends assassins to those who contradict Muhammad just as he sent assassins to those who proved he was a false prophet
@BonjourNuit8 No im not blinded by fear, you have no idea. Where are these hundreds of contradictions you like to talk about?? You only provided one, and it wasn't even a contradictions. Islam isnt compulsary for NON BELIEVERS. And BELIEVERS should follow the Quran. How do them 2 statements contradict eachother? Please explain that to me.. And BTW Muhammad's son were all assassinated, Muhammad didn't assassinate anyone. Has anyone tried assasinating you yet then? You speak utter nonsense.
@FireSign27 Yes you are blinded by fear and you know it and Yes there are hundreds of contradictions in the Quran. Muhammad said there is no contradictions in the Quran when most of the Quran contradicts itself. Islam is not peace but war. Compulsion is war prescribed to the Muslim, compulsion is kill those who leave the faith,
Islam is oppression when it claims it is not.
Your god is suppose to be a god of compassion but he roasts alive infidels and changes blackened skins for fresh ones
Infidels are those who believe in God but reject Muhammad
Compulsion is this statement: make war upon those whom the scriptures have been give as believe not in God, or in the last day ...and who profess not the profession of the truth until they pay tribute and they be humbled 9:29
@FireSign27 Compulsion:Islam is war: you shall do battle with them or they shall profess Islam 48:16
It is he who has sent his apostle with the guidance and the religion of truth that he may exalt it above every religion 48:28 is contradicted by to you your religion, to me my religion 109: 6
Nothing that has been said to you but has already been said to the apostles before thee 41:43 is contradicted by I worship not what you worship 109:2
@BonjourNuit8 Again, Islam is not compulsion. You can choose weather you want to follow the Quran and be a Muslim, or not be a Muslim and not follow the Quran. BUT if you ARE going to be a Muslims, you MUST follow all of the Quran, not bits. That is not compulsion, since Islam isn't forced on anyone who is nonmuslim.
@FireSign27 As Islam is war and Muhammad rewarded murderers with power, spoils and female slaves, then of course Muslims have been at war with each other, as only the meanest gets to rule
Muhammad sent assassins to those who insulted him
Utter nonsense is what came out of Muhammad's mouth, even the pagan Arabs knew Muhammad was a false prophet and
Everything Muhammad accused others of doing, Muhammad had done
@FireSign27 When you deny that Muslims hates America and you accuse 9/11 of being an inside Job when the world witnessed the video documented tons of evidence of the Muslims who did it and everything about their lives, then you are not able to debate with me because you lie and you believe in your lies.
@BonjourNuit8 Lol, What video evidence links 9/11 to Muslims? Oh that one where 'Osama' gives a speach? Wow, ok, find a pic of Osama (Google Images) then watch the vid you're talking about, are they the same people? No lol. But sry i was wrong still, the only TWO (not 1) things that link the Middle East to 9/11 are Bush's word, and a fake vid. How pathetic. Remember how much Bush loves to help his fellow Americans? Katrina?
@BonjourNuit8 And 41:43 does NOT contradict 109:2... You are stripping the verse 109:2 of all it's context. read 109:1 - 3. Muhammad says he does not worship Idols, and the worshippers of Idols do not worship Allah. How does this contradict "To you your religion, to me mine"?? Im telling you, there are NO contradictions in The Quran - the word of God simply wouldn't contain contradictions. However - if you feel there is still a contradiction, please show me, and i'll show you how it is not.
@FireSign27 You have claimed that 9/11 was caused by Bush, which is proof you lie and proof you lie to yourself. Despite the tons of documented evidence that proves 9/11 was caused only by Muslims, you deny the facts that the whole world witnessed. Believing in lies is why you deny the evil done by Muhammad and why you cannot be reasoned with.
Therefore, you will learn the hard way that Islam is not from God and that God himself will destroy Islam, until then
@BonjourNuit120 What tons of evidence? Please show me some of this evidence you claim there is so much of! Countless experts, PhD's and Uni professors and claimed the bin Laden video and audio tapes to be fake. The only thing that is forcing you to believe 9/11 was lead by the Middle East is the fact that you have been brainwashed by your shadow government - using the media and many other elemts of you're life to force a hatred of Islam and other things.
@BonjourNuit8 Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was totally legit. Firstly, Muhammad didn't seek Aisha's hand in marriage, it was GIVEN to him, as a request from Muhammad's close companions, AND FATHER of Aisha - Abu Bakr. Muhammad had 12 wives actually, but never more than 4 at 1 time. Muhammad's adopted son's wife WANTED to marry Muhammad and started giving her husband (Zaid) a hard time. Its all in the hadith.
@FireSign27 I read some of the hadiths and Muhammad wanted his adopted son's only wife, Aisha had no say as to marry Muhammad who was in his 50's. Muhammad did seek Aisha and he wanted to marry her when she was a baby.
Everything you twist, everything you distort, you lie about what is written in the Hadith
There is no need to lie, and when you stop lying to yourself, you will be able to face God otherwise you cannot go to paradise for paradise is being able to face God.
@BonjourNuit8 No Muhammad didn't seek Aisha. The bay you're talking about was someone else, and Muhammad said, if he's still alive when she is OLDER he will marry her. Abu Bakr wanted Muhammad to marry his daughter Aisha, and Muhammad accepted - to reinforce their friendship, and Aisha had a great purpose in Islam, you don't know about her.
@FireSign27 The Jews were verbally hostile towards Muhammad because he tried to say he was their prophet when they were educated and could read their own Bible whereas Muhammad despite he was told to read by the spirit, he never submitted
Muhammad contradicted the Bible and he used all the true prophets only to endorse Islam
No prophet was sent after the Messiah as only he is to return
Islam is not a new monotheistic religion but a false religion of war using God for Allah was never the true god
@FireSign27 One contradiction is the claim that Islam is not a religion of compulsion. Then Muhammad said it is not for a believer man or woman to have any choice in their affair when God and His apostle have decreed a matter and who ever disobeys God and His apostle, erred 33:36 and that is not only Muhammad making himself out to be God's partner but it is also compulsion.
Muhammad claimed he took you out of darkness into the light 14:1 yet he prescribed war and war is pure darkness
@BonjourNuit8 No, that is not a contradiction. The fact that Islam is not compulsary, and the saying that BELIEVERS should not have choice in their affairs with god DO NOT CONFLICT! Muslims should follow the WHOLE Quran, and not choose to follow bits here and there, out of convenience - Allah said to follow the WHOLE Quran, and to do otherwise whilst being a Believer is disobeying Allah! And at the same time, Islam isn't compulsary - if you're not a believer, it obv doesn't apply to you.
@FireSign27 Conquer the world for Islam 48;16, praying for victory over the infidel nations 2;285, proves you are not capable of being honest or facing reality.
Islam only spread by the sword and it still desires to conquer the world, for you yourself said Islam is for all the world but the world suffered long enough, it does not deserve pure hell which is Islam
You said if you are not a believer, it doesn't apply to you, yet Muhammad said, Allah accepts only Islam and infidels will go to hell
@FireSign27 Quran remains 100% not from God but from man using God to do evil.
Muhammad died with no Quran in his hand. Any one gave writings and all the evidence was burnt. The Quran is prescribes war to the Muslim against non Muslims in quest of world domination when war is evil and man made.
So evil is Islam that God forewarned of it and God will destroy Islam.
So keep your eyes closed with fear for you do not want to escape the hell Muhammad promised you.
Muslims pretend to be experts on Christianity because they are forbidden to question their own Quran, such as asking where is the proof to any claim Muhammad made for Muhammad said, it might cause Muslims to have doubt then it will not be good for them, because those who leave Islam are killed.
The Trinity is One God, it was foretold of the coming messiah in Isiah 9:6 and it is the Creator who came into creation to teach of his Holy Spirit or Omnipresence which is with all people on earth
Zakir Naik proves Jesus is not god but he is a messanger of Allah.
If any Muslims choose to leave Islam they would not be killed - where did u get that from?
If you dont have anything factual to say dont make your opinions either coz opinions r not true at all times but facts are better. Zakir Naik proed facts from Qur'an
If you dont understand Qur'an it does not mean Qur'an is wrong but it means you did not understand.
How can Jesus be god and son of god at the same time? Muslims believe Jesus a Messenger of Allah.
Jesus says in your Bible he is god but he does everything with the permission of Allah (God). Zakir Naik prooves that and William Cambell doesn't refuse that which means its true.
@BonjourNuit120 IANS BELIEVE jESUS TO BE SON OF GOD?@BonjourNuit120 ians@BonjourNuit120
William Cambell also said he studied Qur'an but he didn't understand the Qur'an but claimed there were errors. If you think u r better than Cambell y dont u debate Zakir Naik?
CONTINUING FROM YOUR REFERENCE: If Mary gives birth to the son of god (Luke) - Y do Christians believe Jesus to be the son of god???? U just pointed out another error from the bible
Muslims hold the camera,they never post what proves them false,they only edit to their favor
they do not realize they are deceived and that they defend only Satan
For only Satan uses War to dominate people and war is deception as only Satan deceives
Gabriel announced to Mary she would give birth to the Son of God in Luke 1: 32,35
Since the Christian Bible is several hundred years older than the Quran, it is more valid as no prophet came out of Ishmael and no prophet was sent after the Messiah
oodZakir Naik is an expert on Christianity and Islam along with other Religions - he has read and understood ALL Religious scriptures and prooves it.
William Cambell thinks there are errors in the Qur'an but Zakir Naik explains they are not errors but Cambell didn't understand which means the error is Cambell NOT Qur'an.
Zakir Naik then points out 38 errors from Bible but William Cambell can only answer 2 which prooves remaining 36 are scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible.
actually it only proves that Dr Campbell does not know the answers - it proves nothing about the bible
also whilst Dr Campbell is an accomplishe researcher etc it does not mean he is an accomplished public speaker/apologist - do not confuse them as they are distinct skills
Your right - it proves that Dr Cambell does not know the answers which by default means he agrees with the errors in the BIble. If Zakir Naik was wrong he would have disagreed but he agrees because there are many errors in the Bible.
He has done his research about the Qur'an but it turns out that his research was incorrect - Dr Naik had answered al his misunderstandings.
If he isn't a public speaker then he shouldn't be at the debate!!!
so lets get this straight - ifsomebody can't answer or prove a question false it means they agree with the questioner! - you realise that such a position is not logical is not supported by any understanding of research either quantitative or qualittative.
how can you say that Dr Campbell agree with the notion of errors in the bible just because he cannot answer them - it oly proves that zakir naik is a better public speaker that is all
Read what u wrote coz it has NO meaning to it - If someone has the answer to a question they will answer the question. They would only stay quiet and have nothing to say when they do not have any answers and silence also means agreed.
IF I ASK YOU A QUESTION U WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU HAVE ANSWER OR ELSE U WILL STAY SILENT OR SAY U DONT KNOW?
When Zakir Naik had pointed out 38 errors from Bible Dr Cambell did NOT disagree which ,eans he agrees with the errors in Bible.
imagine an extremelly smart christian apologist critices the koran with somehting you cannot disprove due to lack of kowledge or research - does this then prove that you agree with the criticism, no yet that is exactly wha you are stating with Dr Campbell - it is absolutely absurb that you equate not being able to refute something asbeing the same as agreeing with it
Public speaker or not makes no difference - what you need to understand is that Zakir naik had pointed out 38 scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible.
If Zakir Naik was wrong Dr Cambell would have disagreed and then said the truth, the fact Dr Naik is right Dr Cambell could not justify.
@1JHussain you are right in saying that is a person should correct it - but if they dont have the asnwer they cannot correct it but it does not mean that they agree with the answer especially when the statement is in total opposition to everything they have been proclaiming. Dr Campbell could not answer a criticism - the criticism is saying the bible is in error-Dr campbell actually says he cannot answer but he still believes the bible as being the word of god, therefore he cannot agree with it
If 1 student says 1+1=4 the teacher will correct the error. However, if the teacher doesn't know the answer then they shouldn't be teaching the class. Likewise Dr Cambell made mistakes and Dr Naik had corrected the errors - Dr Cambell said there are errors in the Qur'an and Dr Naik proved it is an error on Cambells understanding and NOT errors in Qur'an.
Dr Cambell has no answers but he still believes Bible as being the word of god therefore he cannot agree with it - (You wrote this on your message).
This statement is enough to prove the ignorance of an individual and ill give u an example:
If a student says to teacher 2+2=6 and then teacher corrects error and explains how its worked out but student still says 'I have no answers but I still agree the answer is 6' - it proves the stupidity just like Dr Cambell demonstrated
no he believes the bible is the word of Gof so even though he cannot refute Dr Naiks claims he is not going to agree with those claims as it goes against his own beliefs
you exampe is looking at fact whereas Dr Naik is giving his interpretations of scripture which he probably got from deedat - Dr Naik's interpretations are not fact!
Everything you said has no facts, everything Dr Cambell said is also opinions.
You said Dr Naik has no facts although he had given 38 facts and many more. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME THE FACTS THEN? SINCE YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN DR NAIK???
he also says that it was a miraculous scientific miracle in the koran proclaiming that the moon is only relfected light and di ot have its own light as previously thought, hmmmm that is nearly good except anaxagoras mentioned this over 1000 years before the koran was created -so therefore he is wrong in his interpretation of his own book - maybe he should hand back his doctorate - his research sucks!
i never said i knew them - i actually challenged your assumption that because Dr Campbell could not refute them you claimed he agreed with them - so dont change the focus - you have to prove that he agreed with the so called errors that Dr Naik claimed exist
I am not changing the focus - I have already proved either Dr Cambell is ignorant and has no answers but still believes bible has no errors or he agrees with the errors.
no you said that because dr campbell could not refute naik alleged errors he actually agreed with naik that there were errors even though his whole perspective is that there are no errors - a very scientific approach!
We are going round in circles and yet u do not understand. I have given many examples such as students and teachers etc.
Let me break it down for you 1 more time - Dr Naik had pointed out 38 scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible. Dr Cambell then said he has no answers. If Dr Naik was wrong he would have said NO that is not correct and he would have shared the truth but because the errors are in the Bible he could not answer.
Dr Cambell had pointed out errors from Qur'an but Dr Naik did NOT say he has no answers because Dr Cambell was wrong once again - Dr Cambell misunderstood the Qur'an.
What do you think? Whos right and whos wrong between Dr Naik and Dr Cambell?
Which ever your answer, please give facts and why u think they are right or wrong... Im waiting for your answer
another brainwashed religious zealot trying to justify his own existence and sense of self importance ..... religion should be abolished so that the human race can finally evolve past hatred bigotry ignorance war and murder
@ALL ISLAMist...
The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY.
and prophets spoke directly to GOD.
in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel.
so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad.
so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad.
How can an angel is above human ?
In christian, an angel's level is below the Human,
because we, human, are created in GOD's image.
(that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
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@ALL ISLAMist...
The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY.
and prophets spoke directly to GOD.
in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel.
so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad.
so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad.
How can an angel is above human ?
In christian, an angel's level is below the Human,
because we, human, are created in GOD's image.
(that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
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@ALL ISLAMist...
The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY.
and prophets spoke directly to GOD.
in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel.
so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad.
so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad.
How can an angel is above human ?
In christian, an angel's level is below the Human,
because we, human, are created in GOD's image.
(that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
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youneekk 7 months ago
You know there are 4 states of matter. Water could be a solid, a liquid, a gas and a plasma. Quadrigod anyone?
It's like watching children argue over who would win a fight between Batman and Superman but far less entertaining.
stramster1 9 months ago
What Christians argue that you can prove the trinity scientifically? None that I know of, and that analogy to water (which I find as a poor one) is just that, an analogy some use to help people understand the concept of the trinity.
But what more do you expect from Muslims? They can only look good when they make their own caricature of the Bible and Christians.
98nafets 9 months ago
bin laden is dead! pass it on if it hasn't been already
jamaicanification 10 months ago
so what was jesus? water, vapor, ice
glower125 10 months ago
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And of course Naik uses his straw man argument "show me a single anecdotal statement where jesus says i am god, worship me. This can easily be rebutted by asking "find me a single anecdotal statement in the bible, or the quran where jesus specifically says in these words i am not god, dont worship me". If muslims cant, then it is very telling. It just shows circular reasoning and a double standard
jamaicanification 1 year ago
now naik says the trinity is not in the bible. the word itself is not, but its definition is. In Matthew ch 28 18-20 Jesus states "I have been given all authority on heaven and on earth. so go out baptising men in the name of the father, the son and holy ghost". trinity right there. And besides, the thing i have to ask muslims is part of it admitted to be true in surah 2 vs 53 which says "we gave jesus son of mary veritable signs and strengthened him with the holy ghost"? seems odd......
jamaicanification 1 year ago
Now muslims will still say "why does god need to eat". the answer is simple. God, did not need to eat if he so chose to. the only reason why he ate was because he did not rely on his divine nature. He was relying on his human nature so that he can go through all the temptations humans go through, die, and be resurrected so that he could be our representative to the father. In Luke chp 24 vs 25-26 he states "Was it not necessary for the Messiah to suffer these things and then enter his glory?"
jamaicanification 1 year ago
@jamaicanification my advise is that you read what you just wrote, and read it again and again to hear how disjointed your explaintion sounds.
The only reason why he ate because he did not rely on divine nature. How does God 'rely' on anything? God is God, he does not rely on anything!
you said that he, GOD was relying on his human nature so that he goes through ALL TEMPATIONS, GOD??? goes through temptations???
and God can DIE??? for 3 days and 3 nights?? I dont know which is worse
SPANISHBITE 1 year ago
@SPANISHBITE buddy, you needs to know that what the bible was saying was that christ humbled himself and took the form of a man, and lived the perfect life that we could not so that he could represent us in front of the father. Just because Jesus was 'tempted' or tested by Satan does not make him less divine. Satan tries to test god all the time. Does that make god any less of a divine being just because Satan tries to test him?
jamaicanification 1 year ago
@SPANISHBITE The other thing too on the issue of 'god dieing'. Your looking at it from a human perspective and taking into full consideration gods perspective. Yes, christ as a human representative before the father 'died' because he incurred the wrath of the father that should have been for us. But because he was able to conquer death, that proves his divinity as the Son of God. If he was unable to conquer death, that would make him just another mortal man
jamaicanification 1 year ago
@jamaicanification so God has to conquer death, he made death but still has to conquer it. this is so deluded and quite illogical. a God that dies is no God at all. and Jesus the innocent the lam incurred the wrath of the God from a just merciful god for our sins? again illogical and totally insane. when a religion is made by men, it crumbles so easily when faced with the truth.
If salvation is your goal, look into Islam my friend and stop your ego from misleading you.
glower125 10 months ago
@glower125 buddy, my ego isn't misleading me. What the bible says is that his body was killed but his spirit wasn't broken. And yes, he had to incur the wrath from god on our behalf because no matter how many works we performed, it would not please gods infinity, ultimate and perfect standard. Thats why if you read the old testament in levitcus, everytime someone broke the commandments they had to offer an animal sacrifice for their sins. this foreshadowed the sacrifice on the cross christ made
jamaicanification 10 months ago
@glower125 also, you call me deluded? I have nothing against islam and respect it. but if you want me to comment, why should i trust a book that says jesus came to the earth and was about to be crucified, but at the last second god either 'made it look like he died', or substituted him for another person. That sounds like it has problems. Your either saying god is a liar or god is an unjust god. thats not the god i know
jamaicanification 10 months ago
hmmm, where to respond to Naiks misrepresentation of what the bible says. His H2O arguments sounds nice but can easily be rebutted. the fact is that in the christian doctrine we believe in what is called the hypostasic union. this means that jesus is of two natures, one divine, and one human. Now obviously he did not start out that way because in the gospel of john chp1 vs 14 states "the word became flesh and full of grace and truth lived among us"
jamaicanification 1 year ago
You forgot water plasma. Demonstrate this God please. You can't because he lives only in your imagination. You're highly deluded.
bigboy45454545 1 year ago
Just look at the" Mubahala" prophet took with Najaran christians.Christians refused to do it because we suppossed to love and bless our enemies.Prophet took this together with Fatima,Ali,Hussain and Hassain.According to Mubahala,the liar will die within a year.The disputed question here was about the divinity of Jesus.Look at what happened prophet and Fatima died exactly within one year.Hussain and Hassain both murdered latter.What is your conclusion from this real story?
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
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Don't listen to all this b-s about the christian bible and a man made God. Watch the videos of Dr Bart Ehrman Misquoting Jesus and learn some FACTS.
Christians be careful next time you'll turn fatherXmas into God.
4islam3 1 year ago
How can water have 3 states at the same time?
Why does a creation by a divine creator need to be tested?
Did Jesus ever exist as a real person? Hardly!
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
Why for God, it is not possible?He is beyond time, space and number.
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1
Just check you facts. If a god is beyond our space-time continuum, how can a god create something in our time and space? Can a god create a square circle? Can a god create a stone too heavy to lift?
Again: if a god creates a perfect creation, he does does not need to test it. Only humans need to test their products because they are faulty. So the whole concept is human made. Pure logics.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
@StopSpamming1
My friend
Your are thinking like putting you and God on the same level.What is your concept about God? or are you an atheist? If you are an atheist who is the owner of all universe or all the hidden mysteries there?According to The Bible for God 1000 years is like a day or an hour in the night.Can you comprehend such a super being who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent?All the scientific discoveries are hidden knowledge God allowed human to discover . Nothing new there
PRIDEISSIN1 1 year ago
@PRIDEISSIN1
Ooops, no, how can I put something on any level if that something does not exist?
Absolutely yes, I am an anti-theist, because I do not wish for a god to exist. If a god presents itself to me, I will accept the existence, but nothing more. But then again, I could be wrong.
You are discarding the logics that nature - or a god - created. I showed you how omni-anything cannot exist. It's impossible. This is not belief, but a fact.
You are putting belief over facts.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
That's an heretic definition of the Trinity, that's all. Is the old modalism. Maybe fits as an analogy but not as a literal definition.
This guy is attacking a straw man.
A better analogy is space, composed of width, height, depth. But those are just analogies.
Jesus is of the same essence of God, Jesus' also the Creator as John the Apostle said in the beginning of his account of the Gospel.
That's all in the Bible long before Muhammad time and the Koran says to trust the Bible.
God bless.
tiagotrinidad 1 year ago
zakir naik's biggest fan is zakir naik
he is such an expert that he has been proven to be a liar by atheist who have shown that his so called koranic scientific miracles were already known by the ancient greeks, and also been called unislamic and contradicting the koran by muslims religious leaders
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
You are just as ignorant as the other non Muslims that I have met - u have too many opinions and NO facts.
SHARE THE FACTS IF YOU HAVE ANY???
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
u call me ignorant yet your logic actually is worse than useless - you are the one that equates a person not being able to answer as meaning they are agreeing with the criticism yet it is obvious this would not be the case. All it proves is that Zakir Naik is a better showman.
maybe you should check out the youtube where an atheist destroys naik's so called koranic scientific miracles, and these are facts not opinions.
have a nice day
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
I asked you for your facts and im still waiting.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
2 of 2:
Then Dr Naik pointed out 38 errors from Bible - Dr Cambell said he has no aswers. It could possibly have 2 meanings...
Either...
Dr Cambell has no answers like he said which means he shouldn’t be there at the debate because he has no answers
Or...
He agrees with the errors in Bible and does not want to accept it due to his ignorance.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970 o yeah thats why these so called athiests have sat an won a debate with him,
and the sun evolves on its axis which is mentioned in quran has just been established 40 yrs ago ,
reece9886 1 year ago
@reece9886
he also says that it was a miraculous scientific miracle in the koran proclaiming that the moon is only relfected light and di ot have its own light as previously thought, hmmmm that is nearly good except anaxagoras mentioned this over 1000 years before the koran was created
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970 well dumbass its not a scientific mistake is it , you just found an individual who happened to think that but there were many others who thought the opposite
so why doesnt the quran have any scientifc mistakes
the ancient greeks thought the earth was flat until colombus yes some thought it wasnt but majority flat
reece9886 1 year ago
@reece9886
nice to see you are a polite individual!
no it is a mistake - it is a mistake on zakir naik's part - he claims something as a scientific miracle that wasl already known a 100 years before the koran was invented
actually the greeks knew the earth was a shpere - Ptolemy worked this out - 100's years before your prophet plagarised him and any other greek he knew of
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970 look if a thousand people all mention different views on the earth obviously someone will hit the hammer on the head or close enough, then you start pointing the one individual saying you chose him from the rest , impossible guess
so how come there isnt a scientific mistake in the quran
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@karate1970
What do u mean by 'prophet plagarised him and any other greek he knew of ' if Prophet Muhammed PBUH had copied everything he would have copied everything including the errors. U dont make any sence mate
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
well evidently it is a scientific miracle that the koran reports a barrier between sweet water and slt - but do you think those people living beside deltas would have lready have known that and also delta have mixed salinities so there is no barrier
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
IT ISN'T DR NAIKS OPINIONS - HE HAD GIVEN REFERENCES FROM THE BIBLE TO PROVE WHERE HE GOT THE BIBLICAL ERRORS FROM YET YOU CLAIM ITS HIS OPINIONS. AND YET YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY ANSWERS THAT DR CAMBELL COULDN'T.
DONT WASTE MY TIME BY BEING AS THICK AND IGNORANT AS DR CAMBELL.
EITHER BE OBJECTIVE OR KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
i did not claim i could answer his questions but i stated that you saying that because Dr Campbell could not refute them did not mean he agreed with them - which is what you originally stated
but then again - why does Naik not actually debate somebody who has experience in this field like william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood - instead of you muslims harking back to this old video as if it proves islam's superiority - it does not - nice to see you are polite as well
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
Is Dr Cambell not experienced enough? If so, he could not answer the errors in Bible and if not then he shouldn't have had a debate with Dr Naik.
Why dont you get william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood to contact Dr Naik and arrange a debate? Get them to email Dr Naik by going to Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) website.
Dr naik had many debates with many christians but none could answer the errors in Bible.
Let me know when and where the debate wou
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
Let me know when and where the debate would take place and ill be there myself to witness william craig, sam shamoun or even David Wood fail to answer the errors in Bible ust like the rest.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
Good joke!! :)
There are tonnes of irrefutable contradictions in the Bible. The greatest is in the core belief 3=1.
artistdigital 1 year ago
@karate1970
For your info...
There are a group of CHRISTIANS who claim to be Muslims and they distribute papers with Arabic writing and claim it is Qur'an but they actually write references from the Bible but in Arabic text
THEY ARE LIARS AND DECEIVING PEOPLE TO READ BIBLE RATHER THAN QUR'AN.
Im not forcing you to accept Islam or to read the Qur'an but u could read it if u want to. However, these christians are forcing people.
THEY'RE SICK?
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
yes - trying to tell people about the word of God - those people must just be out odf their minds- how DARE they? what are they thinking of
karate1970 1 year ago
Dr. Naik did not crush the Trinity because he cannot crush God, Dr. Naik can only be ignorant of God and fool only those more ignorant than himself for the Trinity is God the Creator who created all humankind as part of himself and who vowed to come to his people in which they would see him (Isaiah 35:4-6) in order to prove his love for us and to return us to the knowledge that God himself is with all people to guide them and those who ask for awareness of that fact can experience his realism
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit120 Back to topic, Muhammad in the Bible: Deuteronomy 18:18 has already been discussed. But tell me what you makes of the following passages: John 14:16 and John 16:12-13. This, linked with deuteronomy 18:18, is clear evidence that Muhammad is prophecised in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:15 tells us to heed Muhammad's words. Moses AND Jesus both prophecised about Muhammad, will you continue to ignore Jesus and Moses, by rejecting Muhammad??
FireSign27 1 year ago
Naik not only lied to his own fellow Muslims, he also believed in his lies.
The Trinity is One God with 3 roles foretold of the coming messiah as in the Torah, Isaiah 9:6 onto us a Son is given, he will be called mighty God, Everlasting Father and wonderful Counselor. The Son of God in Christianity means God took on a human form
Muslims have no right to put their big nose into Christianity when they are too afraid to question the contradictions and hatred prescribed to them in the Quran.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
The Trinity is ONE God, as in Isaiah 9:6
The creator said he would come
He came into creation to teach he is in all humankind and closer to them than their own jugular vein
That is saying the Father came as the Son to teach of his omnipresence or Holy Spirit
Christians never worshiped Mary as a god, where in the Bible does it say so
Since Muhammad said the Quran confirms the scriptures that means the Quran agrees with all the Bible said and the Bible said
Jesus was the son of God
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
@BonjourNuit120 No, the Quran says Muslims should respect the Bible/Torah since they both contain truth of Islam, however they have been changed/corrupted by the hands of men through time. And what do the facts say? Many educated christian scholars openly admit that the Bible has definately been editted by men. According to the Quran, SOME of the Bible is correct, and the facts back this up by showing that the Bible contains messages from MEN aswell as GOD. Quran remains 100%, Bible does not.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 There is no logic to your statement, that the Quran says Muslims should respect the Bible when Islam is not the Truth.Only Islam contradicted and corrupted the Bible
Muhammad prescribed war to the Muslim when war is evil. Muhammad used all the prophets to endorse himself instead he exposed that he was a false prophet.
Your god Allah is not the God of Abraham, Moses or of the Jews or Christians, in fact Allah is only a rock in the kaaba.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No, the Bible DOES have many contradictions. The Quran doesnt bribe suicide, it says self harm is forbidden actually. The Bible DOES contain the word of God, but ALSO contains words of men. The Quran puts guidelines on everything we need, even war. Islam controls War, it forbids Muslims to start wars, only defend, and still there are many rules.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Bible remains the word of God for it does not need the approval nor acceptance of the Muslims who have been deceived by Satan
for God himself endorses the Bible by fulfilling his promises he made in the Bible as with the return of the Jews in 1948.
Muhammad claimed he confirmed the Bible but he broke almost every one of the Ten Commandments beginning with thou shall have no other gods before me, and Muhammad added Satan before his god and Muslims bow down towards the kaaba
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 So you tihnk the Bible is the complete and untouched word of God? What about Deutronomy 18:18, this passage can ONLY refer to Muhammad, Jesus (PBUH) does not fit into the prophecy. And the prophecy HAS come true, yet you deny it - and so you deny the "word of God". The Bible contains the words of MEN, and many passages have been added/REMOVED, and there are many versions of the Bible with many contradictions, why would the Word of God be problemed by confusion?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Deuteronomy 18:18 does not apply to non Jews and Muhammad invented a religion of hatred against the Jews.
Deuteronomy 18:18 was already taken by Jesus
Acts 3:21-22, Acts 7:37, John 1:45, and even Jesus said so himself as in John 5: 46
You are taught to reject the Bible, so it is Muslims who reject the word of God
You cannot use our Bible to endorse the world's only false prophet as the Bible proves Muhammad's religion of deception and war is the anti Christ and God's own enemy
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Yes, Deutronomy DOES apply to non-Jews, The bretheren of the Isrealites are the Ishmaelites, the Arabs. 18:18 Does prophecise about Muhammad, since Muhammad is MUCH more like Moses than Jesus (Specially the Christian view of Jesus!!), and Muhammad ONLY spoke the words God gave him, just like 18:18 says. If 18:18 was talking about Jesus, why didnt it mention the miraculous Birth, or the miracles that Jesus did?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Deut 18:18 does not apply to non Jews. I told you there are 4 biblical passages that prove Deut 18:18 pertains to the messiah not to Muhammad
God chose Isaac over Ishmael (Gen 17:19) It does not matter that the Muslims deem themselves Ishmaelites for Ishmaelites are not Jews and only Jews were chosen to be prophets
Jacob never said to his offspring be Muslims before you die, because God changed Jacob's name to Israel and Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael, Moses were Hebrews not Arabs
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Yes, only Jews were chosen to be prophets, until they tried to kill the Messiah - Jesus. Well actually Christians believe they DID kill Jesus so.. Not only did the Jews refuse and reject Jesus, but they also tortured him. Read Surah 2:47 and onwards (until where ever you wish to stop), it talks about the Jews, and maybe will better explain why the last prophet was not Jewish.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Muhammad was never like Moses as Muhammad was greedy for the spoils of war, Moses avoided war but Muhammad instituted it.
Moses did miracles and Muhammad did not
God called Moses but God never called Muhammad
God spoke to Moses and God never spoke to Muhammad
Deut 18:18 never pertains to Muhammad who hated the Jews and said on the last day, Muslims will kill Jews even those hiding behind trees and rocks
Muhammad was never a prophet of the God of the Jews for Islam is of Satan
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Muhammad didnt hate the Jews, he went to the Jews of early Medina, in hopes of finding peace since they both believed in a somehwat similar religion, however the Jews became hostile to Muhammad and Islam. and lead an attack against the Muslims. You really shouldn't say Islam if of Satan, you are severely misinformed on what Islam actually is. I suggest you forget everything youve seen on the news/in the media, and learn about ISLAM, from educated MUSLIMS.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Muhammad was never like Moses, although Muhammad set himself up as though he was the greatest of all prophets when he was the only false prophet who used God to invent a religion of war against the Jews and all other non Muslims
God never spoke to Muhammad, Muhammad spoke only what Muhammad wanted
Do you really think your religion of hatred, contradictions, would come from God?
Think again, because Islam will be destroyed by God that is how evil Islam is.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Wait, MY religion of contradicitons? Let me wave a fact up, youve not been able to mention a single contradiction in the Quran, yet i could give you many contradictions in the Bible, right here and now. That is simply the fact. Can a Book which contains many contradictions and MANY VERSIONS - which has all been modified by MAN, be the word of God? Wouldn't God protect his word from contradictions/modification from men? Well ofcourse he would! Just as he has done with the Quran.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 you asked why didn't Deut 18:18 mention Jesus' miraculous birth or the Miracles Jesus did
Deut 18:18 didn't have to mention Jesus miraculous birth or that he had 10 fingers
Jesus himself confirmed he was the one Moses spoke about as in (John 5:46 and in Acts 3:22) which is 500 years before Muhammad
Yet you totally ignore these facts and continue insisting that God would forget his choice of the Jews to be prophets
Muhammad was never a prophet of God and Islam is not from God
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Well the fact that Jesus lead a life full of Miracles, and the fact that he had 10 fingers dont really compare. If D 18:18 mentioned a single miracle in the prophecy, it would be Jesus - NO DOUBT! And the Miracles of Jesus were pretty important in Jesus's prophethood, surely if D 18:18 wanted to prophecise about Jesus, it would have mentioned the Miracles. And the thing is, KJV has been modified greatly by MEN, it alone contains MANY contradictions - still the word of God?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 I found a place that displays all the English translations of the Quran at the same time
The difference between you and me, is that you lie and you believe in your lies and you do not even know that you lie for you have lied most of all your life.
9/11 was done by Muslims, just as the 13,000 terrorists attacks since then,
that you deny this fact is why you defend a religion of hatred and war not realizing you defend only Satan
So learn that fact the hard way and don't write to me
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Wow actually the percentage of terorist attack done by Muslims is a SMALL PERCENTAGE!! BTW Don't act like you know me all of a sudden. Ive researched 9/11, and i've found the aqusation on Al Qaeda to be a bloody joke. All the evidence is out there, its not my fault you have failed to educate yourself on the matter.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Quran does prescribe suicide, for it states those who kill or who are killed for Allah will be rewarded with paradise which is a lie.
Since 9/11, there has been 13,000 terrorists attacks for Muslims believe killing non Muslims will get them instantly into paradise when it gets them only into hell.
For it is both suicide and murder. God does not require such sacrifice, for God created us and knows us and a true prophet was only to return you to the fact God is with all people
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No the Quran absolutely does NOT prescribe suicide. In Islam, life is a gift, and to throw it away is considered very bad. The Quran tells us to FIGHT nonmuslims, not kill them through suicide - fight can also mean things like argue, or debate. A Muslim can fight without starting wars - and should do, since we must follow the WHOLE Quran, not bits. Your claims are baseless, where does it say, in the Quran, that suicide is acceptable? And 9/11 was an inside job.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 A pattern was forged, when Muhammad beheaded over 600 years, he falsely accused them of breaking a treaty that only he had broken.
Worse than that lie, is that Muhammad then accused the angel of the Lord of saying: I will strike terror into the hearts of infidels, strike off their heads and their finger tips 8:12
This passage is Muhammad projecting blame onto the Angel of the Lord, thus is why you say deny responsibility for 9/11 as it is an Islamic pattern to blame others
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 In 8:12 there is no blame shift, what 'Quran' are you reading, my friend? The Jewish tribe attacked Muhammad and his companions at Medina, they provoked Muhammad, and so Muhammad faught back. There was no peace treaty between the tribe and Muhammad, it was between the people of Mecca and Muhammad. BTW The only evidence that 9/11 was the middle east, is Bush's word, everything else says it was an inside job. You're following the non-believer pattern of un-educating yourself.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 For you to say in Islam, life is a gift is for you either to lie about what the Quran says or for you to not know the Quran. Muhammad said Surah 2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not ... Ye desire the passing fruitions of this world, but God desireth the next life for you.
Indeed you confessed Islam does tell you to fight non Muslims, because Islam is war and war is evil
Dying trying to kill others as with suicide bombers is both suicide and Murder
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Can you please message me your next reply, its silly posting numerous comments. And yes, the Quran tells us to fight nonmuslims, but ill repeat, fighting doesn't directly mean kill/war, debating/argueing can be fighting also. War is a small part of Islam, and its great that Islam contains guidance on times of war, since people can get carried away on the battlefield - Islam gives regulations and limits to war, Islam makes it as humane and ethical as possible.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Islam pretends to control even war, forbidding Muslims to start wars and only to defend Islam, such as sura 5:33 which states the recompense of those who war against God and his apostle, and commit disorders on the earth, shall be slain or crucified or have alternate hands and feet cut off
Islam began in Arabia, no one waged war against Arabia, yet only Islam was the invader of Africa, Asia, Europe and throughout the Middle East.
It is ONLY Islam that provokes, tricks and deceives
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No, Islam DOES control war. The only provocation, tricks or decievement that arises from Islam, are through the FOLLOWERS of Islam, and not Islam itself. The error is in humanity, not our Creator's guidance. Islam didn't begin with Muhammad, it was finalised THROUGH Muhammad and in Arabia. Arabia waged war with Muhammad in his early days of prophethood, exiling him to the deserts, Muhammad ONLY retaliated in defence - he didn't start any wars/conflicts.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 You have a nerve to say, the Bible has been changed by the hands of men when the Quran contradicts the Bible by bribing men to kill themselves for Allah and should they survive, they are rewarded with domination, spoils and female slaves.
The Bible remains the word of God because God honors his word even if you Muslims do not. Question your own Quran, see the hundreds of contradictions, its bribes, its threats,
Muhammad added Satan before your god with lies, hatred and violence.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Islam is guidance for all people on Earth, from all walks of life.. Hatred and War are both part of mankind, Islam controls these, and everything else that needs to be controlled. A religion to not include war simply isn't complete. And you talk about the Quran having many contradiction and bribes. Ive not seen ant - perhaps you could bring some to light?? Cause i don't think there are any contradictions, if you've found even 1, please, lets see it.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Islam is not the guidance for all people on earth as it teaches nothing and Islam contradicts God who is with all humankind. Islam is war using God,it merely seeks to conquer than to oppress the world with a belief in a rock called Allah in which Muhammad used to send himself suras when ever it suited him. Islam permits lying, hating, violence, exploitation or all that perpetuates hell on earth
Hatred and war is part of mankind but only Muhammad invented a religion of war using God.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Islam doesn't contradict God, if you believe it does, then by all means prove it (with Quranic quotes), if you cant prove it, then don't bring up baseless claims. Islam controlls war, and war is a tiny part of Islam. Islam says opression is worse than murder, and tells us that peace is better for us, and we should practice forgiveness. Allah isnt a rock. Islam is the ONLY religion which controls and restrains war, it doesnt monopolise it. You have no real knowlege about Islam.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Islam does contradict God for Islam is War.
God never called Muhammad to be a prophet, Muhammad was made a prophet by his own family. Muhammad faced a choice between insanity and satanic possession, but he chose to believe his first wife who claimed he was a prophet.
God chose Isaac over Ishmael, to carry as Everlasting the Covenant (Gen 17:19) and that means only Jews were Chosen to be prophets
Therefore Muhammad contradicted God the moment he claimed he descended from Ishmael
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 It is easy to prove Islam contradicts God and Islam is God's enemy Satan
God gave the Ten Commandments and Muhammad contradicted those very laws. Muhammad added a false god before God when he added Satan before Allah for Muhammad prescribed war to the Muslim and war is evil
sura 2:216
God said do not bow down towards idols and Muslims world wide bow 5 times a day towards the Kaaba which which is an idol that houses the idol Allah as Allah remains an idol in the Kaaba( Exodus 20:4)
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Islam controls with war for it is an Arab Imperialistic movement in quest of conquering the world
As Muhammad was a mass murderer, genocide is part of Islam and
2 Million Sudanese were killed by the sharia government of Sudan
War is a great part of Islam, in fact Islam is only war against non Muslims and hypocrites as it awaits to become strengthened as the majority
Islam says oppression is worse than death, yet contradicting itself as usual,Islam is the greatest oppressor of all
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 You need to learn your stuff.. Sharia isn't Islam. Sharia is man made, and actually conflicts with Islam on some levels. Islam doesnt opress ANYONE, since Islam doesnt force itself on anyone - its not compulsary. How can sometihng that people can walk away from/dont have to follow, be opressing? You should stop talking about Islam, its clear that you dont know what you're talking about, and simply hate Islam.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 I know my stuff, Sharia Law is Islamic based on both the Quran and Hadith in which the Hadith is second in importance to the Quran. Sharia Law indeed is man made but it is the Islamic government throughout most Islamic nations.
Islam is only oppression, for Muhammad said kill those who leave the faith or are you going to deny what you know is true?
I do not hate Muslims but Islam is not from God and not only do you lie to defend Islam but you believe in your lies as did Muhammad
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign You and the world can never have peace as Islam exists for Islam is war and war is lying, deceiving, brainwashing, hating and murdering or all that causes crimes or hell on the earth.
Allah is a rock, Muhammad removed all but Allah from the kaaba and he claimed that is what Abraham did sura 21:58 when Abraham was a Hebrew never a Muslim and Abraham knew the difference between idols and the true God which is the true God speaks.
Only Muhammad was a false prophet who used God
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 You keep saying the same old falseness, over and over. I can bring up MANY surahs form the Quran which speak negatively about, and in some cases FORBID, everything you mentioned. Its funny that you bring up brainwashing, since the media ONLY portrays Islam in a bad light, and ONLY talks negatively about Islam, just like you, coincidence? You're claim that Allah is a rock is very ignorant. You truely know about Islam, and understand even less.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Media does not bring up Islam in a negative way. In fact the the media is ignorant that Islam is worst than Hitler's regime as only Islam uses God to oppress, to hate, to deceive and to kill both non Muslims and Muslims deemed hypocrite.
If Islam was pure evil, then Muslims would see that Islam is from Satan but Islam has both truth and falsehood which confuses Muslims and since Muhammad said do not question the Quran lest you doubt, Muslims only recite but question the Quran
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Quran constantly contradicts itself because Muhammad was schizophrenic. What little truth there is in the Quran was taken from other sources but all its deceptions, threats, violence, hatred comes straight from Muhammad who hated rejection and loved to be praised as though he was above other men. God is not schizophrenic nor is God evil. For Muhammad to command kill for Allah for it is not you who slays them but God who slays them is for Muhammad to add Satan before God.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 You are commanded to perform a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life time, you then go around the kaaba 7 times and you kiss a black stone as did Muhammad, that stone is Allah. For Allah was the biggest idol in the kaaba that once housed 360 idols. Removing all the other idols except Allah then taking the attributes of the True God from the Bible and putting them onto Allah does not transform Allah into a true god for an idol remains an idol.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Islam does not control hatred and war, for it is war against all non Muslims on earth and it is war against all Muslims deemed hypocrites.
Islam does seek to control everything because it is oppressive and where ever Islam ruled came backwardness and poverty.
Islam has taken great nations and reduced them to ruins.
You stated, a religion that does not include War isn't complete.
Listen Satan, what you just wrote is not only insane but evil for
War is all that causes hell on earth
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No, Jihad is not a war on non muslims, this is a misconception. Jihad is against the STRUGGLE of staying on the right path (Islam). One can make Jihad against their own actions (crimes etc). The Quran commands it's followers to follow the WHOLE Quran, and not chosen sections. Therefore Muslims are forbidden to attack anywhere outside retaliation/defence. Un-controlled war ruins the Earth. War SHOULD be controlled. Islam not only controls it, but encourages us to be peaceful.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Deny is all you have done, thereby chaining yourself to Satan's sinking ship. Islam is war 66;9, 48;16, 2;216, 2;285
Jihad is war against non Muslims and the quran proves it hundreds of times. Islam is not a struggle to stay on the right path because Islam is the wrong path and Islam is easy to follow as it teaches nothing but bribes men with the false values of this world. Islam is only praising Allah and his partner Muhammad who demanded equal obedience and praise.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Why would i NOT deny falseness?? Ill say it again, Islam contains and CONTROLS war. Look at Hitler, he was a christian, the Bible didn't say anything about "Don't kill innocent people, or women or children, dont start wars, dont kill people who take shelter in their house etc etc", and Hitler ended up killing 6mil Jews and MANY more people. If the Bible controlled war like the Quran does, that wouldnt have happened (If Hitler was a true christian, which ofcourse is arguable).
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Too bad that you do not like it that I speak of Islam as it is. Someone has to be honest even though honesty is a foreign concept to the Muslim. There is no dark light cast onto Islam, Islam is only darkness with the false claim that it leads its followers out of the darkness into the light but war prescribed to the Muslim is pure darkness as no Muslim including Muhammad ever left the darkness and none ever entered the presence of the Light which is God's presence.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Why would you not deny falsehood? You were taught what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right. YOU were taught to hate non Muslims is right when hating is wrong. YOU were taught the way into paradise is through dying trying to kill for Allah and that is a lie. Islam does not control war, Islam is war as it began in Arabia and invaded Non Islamic nations,then forced people to convert to Islam
Only Islam has this sura 2:285: "Give us Victory over Infidel nations
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Hitler was merely born a Christian but he became a national socialist. He promoted the ideology of caring for Germany and his people obeyed him without question. But Hitler was a sick man who had hatred towards all non Germans, same too with Muhammad, but the difference between Hitler and Muhammad is that only Hitler used God to justify his hatred towards non followers. Because of Hitler killed 50 Million people and because of Muhammad, 270 Million died because of him
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Hitler was not a believing Christian because Jesus never taught kill those who leave the faith, or kill those who reject Christianity.
What a croc of crap to say, if the Bible controlled war like the Quran does, that WW2 would not have happened. Hussein Saddam invaded Iran, Kuwait,
Muslims in Iraq slaughter each other, and Saudi Arabia fought amongst themselves until the oil was developed for them. That is why Muslims will never bring the world peace as they fight amongst themselves
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 there are so many contradictions in the Quran that for a Muslim to deny them is for a Muslim to be blinded by fear
Did Muhammad have a noble pattern for Muslims to follow as he claimed in sura 33?
When Muhammad married a 6 year old, he falsely accused a tribe of breaking a treaty that only he broke, so that he beheaded over 600 boys and men for their spoils and females to become slaves.
For his belief in one God, he rewarded himself and his followers with spoils, domination
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Don't tell me im blinded by fear, you have no idea. You've not even shown me a single contradiction, and now you're saying there are many. I suggest you read an accurate biography of Muhammad. His marriage to Aisha was completly legit. The Massacre of Bani Quraiza wasn't started by Muhammad. The Jewish tribes of early Medina were hostile against Islam, since it was a new monotheistic religion, and being firmly established. Islam was attacked first, by the Qurashites, at Medina.
FireSign27 1 year ago
I will tell you again you are blinded by fear as there are hundreds of Quranic contradictions and Muslims know it but deny it
A contradiction is when 2 claims oppose each other,such as claiming on one hand there is no compulsion in Islam while saying you have no choice but to obey Muhammad sura 33:36 is both compulsion and contradiction
You are blinded by fear as only Islam sends assassins to those who contradict Muhammad just as he sent assassins to those who proved he was a false prophet
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No im not blinded by fear, you have no idea. Where are these hundreds of contradictions you like to talk about?? You only provided one, and it wasn't even a contradictions. Islam isnt compulsary for NON BELIEVERS. And BELIEVERS should follow the Quran. How do them 2 statements contradict eachother? Please explain that to me.. And BTW Muhammad's son were all assassinated, Muhammad didn't assassinate anyone. Has anyone tried assasinating you yet then? You speak utter nonsense.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Yes you are blinded by fear and you know it and Yes there are hundreds of contradictions in the Quran. Muhammad said there is no contradictions in the Quran when most of the Quran contradicts itself. Islam is not peace but war. Compulsion is war prescribed to the Muslim, compulsion is kill those who leave the faith,
Islam is oppression when it claims it is not.
Your god is suppose to be a god of compassion but he roasts alive infidels and changes blackened skins for fresh ones
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Compulsion is hating the hypocrites
Muhammad said, O prophet make war on the infidels and hypocrites 66:9
Hypocrites are those who fear Muhammad 9:56
Infidels are those who believe in God but reject Muhammad
Compulsion is this statement: make war upon those whom the scriptures have been give as believe not in God, or in the last day ...and who profess not the profession of the truth until they pay tribute and they be humbled 9:29
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Compulsion:Islam is war: you shall do battle with them or they shall profess Islam 48:16
It is he who has sent his apostle with the guidance and the religion of truth that he may exalt it above every religion 48:28 is contradicted by to you your religion, to me my religion 109: 6
Nothing that has been said to you but has already been said to the apostles before thee 41:43 is contradicted by I worship not what you worship 109:2
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Again, Islam is not compulsion. You can choose weather you want to follow the Quran and be a Muslim, or not be a Muslim and not follow the Quran. BUT if you ARE going to be a Muslims, you MUST follow all of the Quran, not bits. That is not compulsion, since Islam isn't forced on anyone who is nonmuslim.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 As Islam is war and Muhammad rewarded murderers with power, spoils and female slaves, then of course Muslims have been at war with each other, as only the meanest gets to rule
Muhammad sent assassins to those who insulted him
Utter nonsense is what came out of Muhammad's mouth, even the pagan Arabs knew Muhammad was a false prophet and
Everything Muhammad accused others of doing, Muhammad had done
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Utter nonsense? Muhammad recited what he was told to, by God. Just as Deut 18:18 states, "I will my put words in his mouth".
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 When you deny that Muslims hates America and you accuse 9/11 of being an inside Job when the world witnessed the video documented tons of evidence of the Muslims who did it and everything about their lives, then you are not able to debate with me because you lie and you believe in your lies.
and That is why you defend your religion of hell.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Lol, What video evidence links 9/11 to Muslims? Oh that one where 'Osama' gives a speach? Wow, ok, find a pic of Osama (Google Images) then watch the vid you're talking about, are they the same people? No lol. But sry i was wrong still, the only TWO (not 1) things that link the Middle East to 9/11 are Bush's word, and a fake vid. How pathetic. Remember how much Bush loves to help his fellow Americans? Katrina?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 And 41:43 does NOT contradict 109:2... You are stripping the verse 109:2 of all it's context. read 109:1 - 3. Muhammad says he does not worship Idols, and the worshippers of Idols do not worship Allah. How does this contradict "To you your religion, to me mine"?? Im telling you, there are NO contradictions in The Quran - the word of God simply wouldn't contain contradictions. However - if you feel there is still a contradiction, please show me, and i'll show you how it is not.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 You have claimed that 9/11 was caused by Bush, which is proof you lie and proof you lie to yourself. Despite the tons of documented evidence that proves 9/11 was caused only by Muslims, you deny the facts that the whole world witnessed. Believing in lies is why you deny the evil done by Muhammad and why you cannot be reasoned with.
Therefore, you will learn the hard way that Islam is not from God and that God himself will destroy Islam, until then
I won't waste my time on you a liar
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit120 What tons of evidence? Please show me some of this evidence you claim there is so much of! Countless experts, PhD's and Uni professors and claimed the bin Laden video and audio tapes to be fake. The only thing that is forcing you to believe 9/11 was lead by the Middle East is the fact that you have been brainwashed by your shadow government - using the media and many other elemts of you're life to force a hatred of Islam and other things.
You're wasting your time anyways...
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 No Biography tells the truth about Muhammad lest they be killed.
If one wants the truth about Muhammad, they only have to read the Quran, the Hadiths and other accepted writings of Muhammad
Marrying Aisha was legit to who?, not to God
At that time all the world married off their daughters only after they reached puberty not before
No man of God would marry a child
Muhammad had 9 wives yet he took his adopted son's only wife by sending himself a sura that banned adoption
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was totally legit. Firstly, Muhammad didn't seek Aisha's hand in marriage, it was GIVEN to him, as a request from Muhammad's close companions, AND FATHER of Aisha - Abu Bakr. Muhammad had 12 wives actually, but never more than 4 at 1 time. Muhammad's adopted son's wife WANTED to marry Muhammad and started giving her husband (Zaid) a hard time. Its all in the hadith.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 I read some of the hadiths and Muhammad wanted his adopted son's only wife, Aisha had no say as to marry Muhammad who was in his 50's. Muhammad did seek Aisha and he wanted to marry her when she was a baby.
Everything you twist, everything you distort, you lie about what is written in the Hadith
There is no need to lie, and when you stop lying to yourself, you will be able to face God otherwise you cannot go to paradise for paradise is being able to face God.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No Muhammad didn't seek Aisha. The bay you're talking about was someone else, and Muhammad said, if he's still alive when she is OLDER he will marry her. Abu Bakr wanted Muhammad to marry his daughter Aisha, and Muhammad accepted - to reinforce their friendship, and Aisha had a great purpose in Islam, you don't know about her.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Jews were verbally hostile towards Muhammad because he tried to say he was their prophet when they were educated and could read their own Bible whereas Muhammad despite he was told to read by the spirit, he never submitted
Muhammad contradicted the Bible and he used all the true prophets only to endorse Islam
No prophet was sent after the Messiah as only he is to return
Islam is not a new monotheistic religion but a false religion of war using God for Allah was never the true god
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 One contradiction is the claim that Islam is not a religion of compulsion. Then Muhammad said it is not for a believer man or woman to have any choice in their affair when God and His apostle have decreed a matter and who ever disobeys God and His apostle, erred 33:36 and that is not only Muhammad making himself out to be God's partner but it is also compulsion.
Muhammad claimed he took you out of darkness into the light 14:1 yet he prescribed war and war is pure darkness
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit8 No, that is not a contradiction. The fact that Islam is not compulsary, and the saying that BELIEVERS should not have choice in their affairs with god DO NOT CONFLICT! Muslims should follow the WHOLE Quran, and not choose to follow bits here and there, out of convenience - Allah said to follow the WHOLE Quran, and to do otherwise whilst being a Believer is disobeying Allah! And at the same time, Islam isn't compulsary - if you're not a believer, it obv doesn't apply to you.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Conquer the world for Islam 48;16, praying for victory over the infidel nations 2;285, proves you are not capable of being honest or facing reality.
Islam only spread by the sword and it still desires to conquer the world, for you yourself said Islam is for all the world but the world suffered long enough, it does not deserve pure hell which is Islam
You said if you are not a believer, it doesn't apply to you, yet Muhammad said, Allah accepts only Islam and infidels will go to hell
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Quran remains 100% not from God but from man using God to do evil.
Muhammad died with no Quran in his hand. Any one gave writings and all the evidence was burnt. The Quran is prescribes war to the Muslim against non Muslims in quest of world domination when war is evil and man made.
So evil is Islam that God forewarned of it and God will destroy Islam.
So keep your eyes closed with fear for you do not want to escape the hell Muhammad promised you.
BonjourNuit8 1 year ago
Muslims pretend to be experts on Christianity because they are forbidden to question their own Quran, such as asking where is the proof to any claim Muhammad made for Muhammad said, it might cause Muslims to have doubt then it will not be good for them, because those who leave Islam are killed.
The Trinity is One God, it was foretold of the coming messiah in Isiah 9:6 and it is the Creator who came into creation to teach of his Holy Spirit or Omnipresence which is with all people on earth
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
@BonjourNuit120
Zakir Naik proves Jesus is not god but he is a messanger of Allah.
If any Muslims choose to leave Islam they would not be killed - where did u get that from?
If you dont have anything factual to say dont make your opinions either coz opinions r not true at all times but facts are better. Zakir Naik proed facts from Qur'an
If you dont understand Qur'an it does not mean Qur'an is wrong but it means you did not understand.
1JHussain 2 years ago
Naik did not prove Jesus is not God, he merely represents his own Islamic beliefs that reject Jesus as God and as the Son of God
If Naik proved Jesus was only a messenger of God, then what was Jesus' mission or message?
Apostates are killed for leaving Islam as noted in the Hadiths which are second to the Quran
Naik cannot prove facts from the Quran because the Quran is not from God proven by Gen 17:19
Naik is forbidden to question the Quran, he is only allowed to reject other religions
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
@BonjourNuit120s@BonjourNuit120 @BonjourNuit120
How can Jesus be god and son of god at the same time? Muslims believe Jesus a Messenger of Allah.
Jesus says in your Bible he is god but he does everything with the permission of Allah (God). Zakir Naik prooves that and William Cambell doesn't refuse that which means its true.
1JHussain 2 years ago 2
God said he would come to his own people the Jews and that they would see him
Could he have appeared to them in some alien form, that would only scare them away
God created the Universe and it is easy for him to come into human form
Who is wiser than God to tell God he cannot come into human form?
And since God came into human form that made him the son subject to God the Father
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit is ONE God, the creator who came into creation to teach he is in all humankind
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
I do know the Quran as I have studied it
and it is not from God and the Quran itself proves it as Muhammad prescribed war to the Muslim sura 2:12 when war is evil
Muhammad was never made a prophet by God but by Muhammad's family who had no authority to assign prophet-hood to Muhammad
Gabriel in the Bible said to Mary she would give birth to the son of God (Luke 1:32,35)
but Muhammad totally rejected Jesus as the Son of God and Muhammad killed both Jews and Christians for their beliefs
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
@BonjourNuit120 IANS BELIEVE jESUS TO BE SON OF GOD?@BonjourNuit120 ians@BonjourNuit120
William Cambell also said he studied Qur'an but he didn't understand the Qur'an but claimed there were errors. If you think u r better than Cambell y dont u debate Zakir Naik?
CONTINUING FROM YOUR REFERENCE: If Mary gives birth to the son of god (Luke) - Y do Christians believe Jesus to be the son of god???? U just pointed out another error from the bible
1JHussain 2 years ago
Muslims hold the camera,they never post what proves them false,they only edit to their favor
they do not realize they are deceived and that they defend only Satan
For only Satan uses War to dominate people and war is deception as only Satan deceives
Gabriel announced to Mary she would give birth to the Son of God in Luke 1: 32,35
Since the Christian Bible is several hundred years older than the Quran, it is more valid as no prophet came out of Ishmael and no prophet was sent after the Messiah
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
Isaiah contains God's prophecies
written 2800 years ago
It said God would come to his people and they would see him (Isaiah 35:2-6)
It said of the Messiah in Isaiah 9:6, onto us a Son is Given, he will be called Mighty God, Everlasting Father and Wonderful Counselor
( Holy Spirit)
The Son of God in Christianity does not mean God had sex to produce a son but rather the Creator came into creation as he promised he would do
As a Muslim you are born to reject the Son,the Bible and Christianity
BonjourNuit120 2 years ago
oodZakir Naik is an expert on Christianity and Islam along with other Religions - he has read and understood ALL Religious scriptures and prooves it.
William Cambell thinks there are errors in the Qur'an but Zakir Naik explains they are not errors but Cambell didn't understand which means the error is Cambell NOT Qur'an.
Zakir Naik then points out 38 errors from Bible but William Cambell can only answer 2 which prooves remaining 36 are scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible.
1JHussain 2 years ago 2
@1JHussain
actually it only proves that Dr Campbell does not know the answers - it proves nothing about the bible
also whilst Dr Campbell is an accomplishe researcher etc it does not mean he is an accomplished public speaker/apologist - do not confuse them as they are distinct skills
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
Your right - it proves that Dr Cambell does not know the answers which by default means he agrees with the errors in the BIble. If Zakir Naik was wrong he would have disagreed but he agrees because there are many errors in the Bible.
He has done his research about the Qur'an but it turns out that his research was incorrect - Dr Naik had answered al his misunderstandings.
If he isn't a public speaker then he shouldn't be at the debate!!!
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
so lets get this straight - ifsomebody can't answer or prove a question false it means they agree with the questioner! - you realise that such a position is not logical is not supported by any understanding of research either quantitative or qualittative.
how can you say that Dr Campbell agree with the notion of errors in the bible just because he cannot answer them - it oly proves that zakir naik is a better public speaker that is all
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
Read what u wrote coz it has NO meaning to it - If someone has the answer to a question they will answer the question. They would only stay quiet and have nothing to say when they do not have any answers and silence also means agreed.
IF I ASK YOU A QUESTION U WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU HAVE ANSWER OR ELSE U WILL STAY SILENT OR SAY U DONT KNOW?
When Zakir Naik had pointed out 38 errors from Bible Dr Cambell did NOT disagree which ,eans he agrees with the errors in Bible.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
how does silence = agreement
imagine an extremelly smart christian apologist critices the koran with somehting you cannot disprove due to lack of kowledge or research - does this then prove that you agree with the criticism, no yet that is exactly wha you are stating with Dr Campbell - it is absolutely absurb that you equate not being able to refute something asbeing the same as agreeing with it
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
Public speaker or not makes no difference - what you need to understand is that Zakir naik had pointed out 38 scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible.
If Zakir Naik was wrong Dr Cambell would have disagreed and then said the truth, the fact Dr Naik is right Dr Cambell could not justify.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING WRONG - THE PERSON THAT HAS THE ANSWER SHOULD CORRECT THE ERROR.
IF A STUDENT SAYS 1+1=5 THEN THE TEACHER WOULD NOT STAY SILENT BUT TEACHER WILL CORRECT THE STUDENT.
LIKEWISE - ZAKIR NAIK HAS ANSWERS BUT DR CAMBELL HAS NO ANSWERS WHICH IS WHY DR CAMBELL KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT AND AGREES WITH DR NAIK
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain you are right in saying that is a person should correct it - but if they dont have the asnwer they cannot correct it but it does not mean that they agree with the answer especially when the statement is in total opposition to everything they have been proclaiming. Dr Campbell could not answer a criticism - the criticism is saying the bible is in error-Dr campbell actually says he cannot answer but he still believes the bible as being the word of god, therefore he cannot agree with it
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
1 of 2:
Let me break it down for you...
If 1 student says 1+1=4 the teacher will correct the error. However, if the teacher doesn't know the answer then they shouldn't be teaching the class. Likewise Dr Cambell made mistakes and Dr Naik had corrected the errors - Dr Cambell said there are errors in the Qur'an and Dr Naik proved it is an error on Cambells understanding and NOT errors in Qur'an.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
Dr Cambell has no answers but he still believes Bible as being the word of god therefore he cannot agree with it - (You wrote this on your message).
This statement is enough to prove the ignorance of an individual and ill give u an example:
If a student says to teacher 2+2=6 and then teacher corrects error and explains how its worked out but student still says 'I have no answers but I still agree the answer is 6' - it proves the stupidity just like Dr Cambell demonstrated
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
no he believes the bible is the word of Gof so even though he cannot refute Dr Naiks claims he is not going to agree with those claims as it goes against his own beliefs
you exampe is looking at fact whereas Dr Naik is giving his interpretations of scripture which he probably got from deedat - Dr Naik's interpretations are not fact!
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
Everything you said has no facts, everything Dr Cambell said is also opinions.
You said Dr Naik has no facts although he had given 38 facts and many more. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME THE FACTS THEN? SINCE YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN DR NAIK???
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
he also says that it was a miraculous scientific miracle in the koran proclaiming that the moon is only relfected light and di ot have its own light as previously thought, hmmmm that is nearly good except anaxagoras mentioned this over 1000 years before the koran was created -so therefore he is wrong in his interpretation of his own book - maybe he should hand back his doctorate - his research sucks!
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THE 38 ERRORS FROM THE BIBLE THEN? IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
i never said i knew them - i actually challenged your assumption that because Dr Campbell could not refute them you claimed he agreed with them - so dont change the focus - you have to prove that he agreed with the so called errors that Dr Naik claimed exist
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
I am not changing the focus - I have already proved either Dr Cambell is ignorant and has no answers but still believes bible has no errors or he agrees with the errors.
YOU NEED TO PROVE HOW IS ZAKIR NAIK WRONG?
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
no you said that because dr campbell could not refute naik alleged errors he actually agreed with naik that there were errors even though his whole perspective is that there are no errors - a very scientific approach!
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970
We are going round in circles and yet u do not understand. I have given many examples such as students and teachers etc.
Let me break it down for you 1 more time - Dr Naik had pointed out 38 scientific and mathematical errors in the Bible. Dr Cambell then said he has no answers. If Dr Naik was wrong he would have said NO that is not correct and he would have shared the truth but because the errors are in the Bible he could not answer.
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
Dr Cambell had pointed out errors from Qur'an but Dr Naik did NOT say he has no answers because Dr Cambell was wrong once again - Dr Cambell misunderstood the Qur'an.
What do you think? Whos right and whos wrong between Dr Naik and Dr Cambell?
Which ever your answer, please give facts and why u think they are right or wrong... Im waiting for your answer
PLEASE BE HONEST AND SHARE FACTS AND NO OPINIONS
1JHussain 1 year ago
@karate1970
opinions can be wrong but facts cannot be wrong
1JHussain 1 year ago
@1JHussain
good - so it is naik's opinion that there are errors
karate1970 1 year ago
@karate1970 and ptolemy was a egyptian but roman citizen who wrote in greek,
he was into astrology and horoscopes, normal in egypt at that time and what
reece9886 1 year ago
another brainwashed religious zealot trying to justify his own existence and sense of self importance ..... religion should be abolished so that the human race can finally evolve past hatred bigotry ignorance war and murder
anonymous1134206 2 years ago