I'm pretty sure this is abou WW2, the spider sybolizing Americans, while the ladybug symbolizes the Japanese. Honestly though, it looks like a pedophile warning to me.
It's so depressing reading these comments. "Everything is like this" "Everything was done for that reason" "everything they did was bad" "everything we did was good" and all opinions offered by people who are just guessing, who have no idea what they're talking.
Thanks for posting this very interesting piece of war time propaganda. It tells a lot about the mindset of the Japanese during that time. Eerie beauty at it's best.
If I am correct this movie was considered lost until the early eighties when it was rediscoverd (about the same time Bare Foot Gen was released).
The spider might be black, but he clearly represents how the Japanese felt about all Americans in general and likely still do, that were stupid,lazy etc it is without doubt a propaganda cartoon. The moral of the story, don't be seduce by the evil Americans, the Japanese way is clearly superior.
@Flynn01979 Bullcrap,THE SPIDER IS BLACK, however those same "LAZY TRAITS" were equated more-so to blacks and possibly on a general scale to Americans in the LOWEST DENIGRATING SENSE. ASIANS ACROSS THE BOARD HATE BLACKS 95%-98% OF THEM. They are a Homogenous society. If the idea was to propagate the Japanese/Asian minds then BLACK FACE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED, instead of ELMER FUDD. Dont try to be "PC-Politically Correct" , try to be factual and do your research first , thank you.
I see more Asians dating and marrying the same White man that melted their faces off.
Asians want half White Children...I can't say all of them but it sure seems that way.
Asians want to get eye enlargements to look more White,they hate their eyes and are taught bigger more open eyes is more trust worthy= self hatred and white is superior>shows a major trait of ignorance.
And they hate Blacks.. Why?, most Blacks are not interested in them anyway.
@3636jae Because I grew up with them . I am in my 40's now. I said it not to bash them , i said it out of fact , history and socialized behavior. They are the 2nd most homogenous society next to jewish people.
Wonderful, Absolutely amazing the pioneering of anime in such a cute film, too bad i have no idea what they are say, but you can get the picture. beautiful
@KrossVixen I think the spider's trying to entice the ladybird into relaxing in his hammock, but it seems to me either she doesn't trust him (maybe a "don't talk to strangers" message here?) or else she can't fly that high. My money's on the former.
I guess this was never translated to English...only disappointed because I'm lousy with foreign languages, took Spanish for two years and can't remember half of what I learned. Oh well, I've got a friend who's a huge fan of Japan, Anime and culture and such, and she's studying Japanese so maybe she can translate it for me later. Either way, I believe she'd really like this cartoon. I think it's good even though I can't really understand it.
For everyone shouting "OMG that's spider's black!", no shit sherlock. Many spiders are black-colored. Not only that, I believe that it plays on a common theme in old cartoons.
If you look at villains in old cartoons, many of them are wearing all black or are black-colored (not race). Same goes for this spider. It indicates that he's the antagonist. Many villains also have deep voices.
Plus, the spider is the most charming character in this cartoon!
It's a Masterful piece, everything goes together so well. The characters are memorable and easily identifiable as the role had envisioned. Casting is so perfect, the voice arrangements so well composed and coupled with such whimsical and at the right moments thrilling musical backings. The seemingly childlike perception this piece offers is both universal in language and in audience appeal, as it really offers a naturalistic fairy tale that anyone could understand progressively. Youtube treasure
13:02 is awesome, that shot/part and attention to detail for just one second of the film.. I mean, I know that's what makes great animation, but .. it looks so good!
Todays Japanese cartoons are all about black magic, demons, fights, hate and more magic. And then parents ask themselves:" Why are our kids so voilent?"
Can't be bother to read all the comments before this, but I'm pretty sure the spider is supposed to be Bing Crosby, NOT some stereotype of Africans or Americans or whatever the hell else is "obvious". Note the hat, pipe, and deep singing voice. It's a true masterpiece regardless. Thanks for the upload.
This cartoon is famous, and was, in fact, made in 1943, at the height of the war.
I guess Director Kenzo Masaoka, still just wanted to entertain children with a cute little story.
This apparently angered the Japanese military authorities, precisely because it was the only film produced during the war years that was NOT a propaganda piece. (Good for you, Mr. Masaoka. RIP)
This just doesn't look like something made during the war. It's kinda cute, and animation style is cruder (yet prettier) than the stuff from the war years.
Seems to be more the early to mid-30s era. (IMHO)
I'd have to agree with "drakkonami's" assessment of the spider. (Maybe an Al Jolson parody?) The difference being the racist depiction of blacks in the US was most often as silly "minstrel clowns" as opposed to their being truly evil.
I see a lot of comments about the spider, and I have to admit the depiction is at the very least promoting xenophobia. Just because many Japanese hadn't come into contact with black people at the time doesn't mean that these sorts of depictions wouldn't influence cultural encounters in the future, and I think they have. Granted, this is to a great extent the fault of American racism and cultural colonialism. With these stipulations I've enjoyed the beauty that was indeed there...
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i thought that the cartoon was rascist was first cuz the spider was black but then at the end, the bee, fly, or whatever it was was also black so i guess not. anyhoo, great cartoon for children.
Surely one must realize that Cybord 009 featured a similar approach when depicting the black member. Also, there are a lot of borderline black face characters still being made. I often wonder how the Japanese view blacks today.
The ladybug is adorable. Too bad the visuals are so poor that I was not able to take a snapshot of her. And yep, that spider looked like Al Jolson...interesting. Nice singing voice though.^^)
that was me, i didnt know people would take that as an offense. my apologies. i have a disorder which makes it hard for me to tell right from wrong. =/
Actually, animation did NOT originate in America. It originated in France. Ever heard of Emile Cole (I think that's his name)? He is the father of animation and his studio was in FRANCE!
I don't think the intentions were to make this cartoon to publish a certain propaganda. This was in 1943. If you were to compare Warner Bros' cartoons during that time i bet you'd find similarities: (watch?v=KvA1zphaeTQ). It's just the era that we are in right now is 66 years after, and everyone can't help but to look at it in the eyes of the era that we're currently in. You must consider the Japan/America relations back then.
Beautiful, they certainly do not make them like that anymore. The moving work is so fluid that it could match mdern CGI almost. Propaganda or not is excellent.
if you go to the website of shochiku co ltd (the company who made this cartoon) and you search all the cartoon made by this company during ww2, the only propganda cartoon made by shochiku was momotaro umi no shinpei.
another proof that this cartoon is not a propaganda is that a propaganda always have an explicit main message because the goal of a propaganda is to convince the largest number of people of something or to do something,so a propaganda with implicit message is nonsense
I believe the implicit themes were probably more explicit in the eyes of Japanese citizens during WWII. It's similar to the way a political cartoon published in your daily newspaper uses symbolism (although frankly those cartoonists are a lot clumsier at it). Propaganda can use symbolism the way this cartoon did if it is understood by the target audience.
Though I suppose you would have to be native of Japan living in 1943 to be absolutely sure of this cartoon's intentions.
i think this cartoon is not a propaganda because propaganda are always explicit ,this is not the case here and i don't consider the black spider's head as an explicit propaganda message because a lot of old cartoon contain racial stereotypes without being a propaganda.
I've seen this video about four times now. I believe it is a propaganda film. Every time I see that spider, it reminds me of a black caricature of Bing Crosby, hat and pipe included. Also, note the singing style of spider definitely non oriental style. The lady bug is a cute little character. Her hairstyle is definitely America mid 20s though. Overall, a nicely drawn cartoon. Thank you for a very interesting, to say the least, post.
can someone please help? when i was in japan in a film museum, i saw a film about an origami fox and mole singing their way to a house. it was in colour. does anyone know this cartoon?
Is it a little kid or a woman singing the ladybird's lines? Where exactly did Japan get their plethora of talented singing children in the 1940's (thinking this, Momotaro Umi no Shinpei, even back into the 30's with Fox and Badger)
I like this short it shows alot of work in the early stages of the film, panning to the right or leftfocus out of focus all things you would expect to find in a real life action film. The fact that it is an animation is very thrilling. Something else that should be noted, this film reminds me of fantasa, watch it agian and ask yourself did ol'walt plagerize?????
No question that the spider symbolises a black man, the hands did that clear for me. However, I don't give a shit they can make whatever cartoons they like fuck this global policestateworld.
Masaoka was one of the giants of early Japanese animation, and this is probably his greatest work. Setting aside the racist portrayal (which was a direct Western import that had no profound meaning in Japan), one remarkable aspect of this film that set it apart from other animation of the same period is that there isn't even a hint of war propaganda. Thanks to miniTAIYAKI for posting it. (If you like this, you can see more old anime on my channel.)
Japanese old anime had a great deal of atmosphere.beautidul song,a look,a sense of season etc. I'm glad that nowadays japanese anime is popular whole world, though these anime lack of something.
Exactly, and if I were Chinese, Japanese, or Indian, I'd be pissed off too.
And, "Harmless Stereotyping"?
Harmless?
HARMLESS!!!?
There have been tons and tons of issues over a race of people being drawn stereotypically.
For example, Jynx (from Pokemon), those Japanese people in that Bugs Bunny cartoon, Mr. Popo (from Dragonball, although I didn't mind him that much). You just don't know how it feels because your.....uh....nah, I won't go there.
Ha, well if I were white, I'd be offended. My only guess for white people being fine with it, is because they've treated other races so badly for some many years, I guess it's pay back or something. I could be wrong. Still, if I were white and some black guy called me a cracker, I'd be offended. I guess that's just how I am...
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! You're white and you called a black guy a nigger?? Are you ok? Did they beat you up? Are they gonna beat you up? When you're walking home, I'd be careful if I were you. Because you might get jumped...
Haha, are you serious? No, they were pussies and talkers, all of them, they're not cool, only hiphop gangster wannabes, the black punkrocker I know he has more guts than them.
This producer does not have the intention of the racial discrimination.
However, as for these cartoon, it was not got the recommendation of the Education Ministry because the then Japanese Government thought about the same thing.
For those interested, I did a quick capture of the soundtrack and split it up into 7 mp3s. I'm sharing it on soulseek right now. Just search "Kumo to churippu".
I find it amusing that so many comments are based purely on conjecture.
You people are assuming up the wazoo!
No one will ever know what it was truly based on
Get off your damn soap boxes people!
vawlkee51 1 month ago
I'm pretty sure this is abou WW2, the spider sybolizing Americans, while the ladybug symbolizes the Japanese. Honestly though, it looks like a pedophile warning to me.
Eveco1000 3 months ago
すっごいクォリティだなあ
戦争中によく作れたなぁ。
ahahanekodaisuki7 3 months ago
the ladybird is cute beyond belief
Ivanatis 4 months ago
It's so depressing reading these comments. "Everything is like this" "Everything was done for that reason" "everything they did was bad" "everything we did was good" and all opinions offered by people who are just guessing, who have no idea what they're talking.
mattlove1 4 months ago
Thanks for posting this very interesting piece of war time propaganda. It tells a lot about the mindset of the Japanese during that time. Eerie beauty at it's best.
If I am correct this movie was considered lost until the early eighties when it was rediscoverd (about the same time Bare Foot Gen was released).
saigokun 5 months ago
i kind like this anime
gho2t9933 5 months ago
The spider might be black, but he clearly represents how the Japanese felt about all Americans in general and likely still do, that were stupid,lazy etc it is without doubt a propaganda cartoon. The moral of the story, don't be seduce by the evil Americans, the Japanese way is clearly superior.
Flynn01979 6 months ago
@Flynn01979 Bullcrap,THE SPIDER IS BLACK, however those same "LAZY TRAITS" were equated more-so to blacks and possibly on a general scale to Americans in the LOWEST DENIGRATING SENSE. ASIANS ACROSS THE BOARD HATE BLACKS 95%-98% OF THEM. They are a Homogenous society. If the idea was to propagate the Japanese/Asian minds then BLACK FACE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED, instead of ELMER FUDD. Dont try to be "PC-Politically Correct" , try to be factual and do your research first , thank you.
Maxantium 4 months ago
@Maxantium
Why do 95% of Asians hate Blacks.
I see more Asians dating and marrying the same White man that melted their faces off.
Asians want half White Children...I can't say all of them but it sure seems that way.
Asians want to get eye enlargements to look more White,they hate their eyes and are taught bigger more open eyes is more trust worthy= self hatred and white is superior>shows a major trait of ignorance.
And they hate Blacks.. Why?, most Blacks are not interested in them anyway.
3636jae 3 months ago
@3636jae Because I grew up with them . I am in my 40's now. I said it not to bash them , i said it out of fact , history and socialized behavior. They are the 2nd most homogenous society next to jewish people.
Maxantium 3 months ago
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chawan64ma6 6 months ago
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chawan64ma6 6 months ago
11:59 One of the earliest Moe moments :3
MEIDOco 6 months ago
is the spider a negro?
dmulsion 6 months ago
i wish they remade this. this is a good piece of japanese "pre-anime" animation.
03mrx 7 months ago
That spider is Obama!
RkivUnderground 7 months ago
Poor daddy Obama, washed into oblivion.
mirarostodo 7 months ago
OOOOHHH
YEEEEAAAAHHH
ARIGATSU
alhilalclub1001 7 months ago
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PatrickRsGhost 8 months ago
Wonderful, Absolutely amazing the pioneering of anime in such a cute film, too bad i have no idea what they are say, but you can get the picture. beautiful
KrossVixen 8 months ago
@KrossVixen I think the spider's trying to entice the ladybird into relaxing in his hammock, but it seems to me either she doesn't trust him (maybe a "don't talk to strangers" message here?) or else she can't fly that high. My money's on the former.
PatrickRsGhost 8 months ago
古いクラシックのように何も
Robots73 9 months ago
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chawan64ma6 9 months ago
11:13 The wire used as a lazo trying to save his own life when divine wind blows, more propagandistic than this...
Nostalgico80 9 months ago
I guess this was never translated to English...only disappointed because I'm lousy with foreign languages, took Spanish for two years and can't remember half of what I learned. Oh well, I've got a friend who's a huge fan of Japan, Anime and culture and such, and she's studying Japanese so maybe she can translate it for me later. Either way, I believe she'd really like this cartoon. I think it's good even though I can't really understand it.
MWolfL 10 months ago
I didn't know in Japan that they did "BlackFace" aswell.
ChickenConPolloHD 10 months ago 3
it amazes me that anime has evolved more over the years (like many other things)
KieranAngelLove 10 months ago
spider＝united states and other
ladybird/ladybung＝japanese kids （education）
flower＝japs army and tenno and old government
EndeAller 11 months ago
lol
EndeAller 11 months ago
إنها كرتون مؤثرة .. وعاشقة وحبيبة للجميع اهئ اهئ اهئ
alhilalclub1001 11 months ago
For Japanese, theirs enemy was U.S. and U.K. white men. The war was a battle between white people's world and Japan.
Also, In 1943, the number of black people fighting in Pacific Battlefront was very little.
Black people was not enemy but not friend.
If director had wanted to express his enemy, he would have used a charactor with red or pink face.
But he didn't.
That black color spider is just a symbol of baddie.
(Even today, some baddies are wearing with dark color costume.)
SFBE
wwwkusawww 11 months ago
For everyone shouting "OMG that's spider's black!", no shit sherlock. Many spiders are black-colored. Not only that, I believe that it plays on a common theme in old cartoons.
If you look at villains in old cartoons, many of them are wearing all black or are black-colored (not race). Same goes for this spider. It indicates that he's the antagonist. Many villains also have deep voices.
Plus, the spider is the most charming character in this cartoon!
MusicAmidstTheTrees 11 months ago 4
let me guess: the spider is U.S.A and the ladybird is Japan, right?
wsiklogfh 1 year ago 6
i dont need to tell any of you.. that spider be creepin
redpanda132 1 year ago
What a sleazy spider!
Gameboygenius 1 year ago
obrigado por esse video.
oz009d824 1 year ago
It's a Masterful piece, everything goes together so well. The characters are memorable and easily identifiable as the role had envisioned. Casting is so perfect, the voice arrangements so well composed and coupled with such whimsical and at the right moments thrilling musical backings. The seemingly childlike perception this piece offers is both universal in language and in audience appeal, as it really offers a naturalistic fairy tale that anyone could understand progressively. Youtube treasure
pillowpannts 1 year ago 4
Despite the bad image, the video was still fun to watch. :)
kittycatlovermewmew 1 year ago
13:02 is awesome, that shot/part and attention to detail for just one second of the film.. I mean, I know that's what makes great animation, but .. it looks so good!
NuclearTigerlily 1 year ago
ぬるぬる動いてんなぁ
SAMURAIHEARTX3 1 year ago
Damn that spider can sing...but why the fuck does he look like he's performing a minstrel show.
Uncutcartoons247 1 year ago 4
OMG the spiders BLACK!!!!
riverapr861 1 year ago
@riverapr861 nigga spider O_O hey japan doesnt descriminate
ValisHD 1 year ago
so this is early anime? wow. its gotten alot shinier
theotherguy245689 1 year ago
The Divine Wind saved the day
luridplanet 1 year ago
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this looks amazing ,
logmanis 1 year ago
this looks amazing ,
logmanis 1 year ago
keepfile 1 year ago 10
so beautiful
CielPhantomhive1875 1 year ago
cell film is Expensive at1943 . Cell film was wash ＆ painting. and Reuse
keepfile 1 year ago
o - o ooook
MagnolliaBelmont 1 year ago
o_o
Imaginashun 1 year ago
this is also originally chinese...
ArchetypeXE 1 year ago
これを戦争後半の苦しい時に完成させたことに敬意を表します。すばらしい作品です
ft2465 1 year ago 3
un negro en japon es como un negrito en el arroz, no hay racismo
ramonisai 1 year ago
Todays Japanese cartoons are all about black magic, demons, fights, hate and more magic. And then parents ask themselves:" Why are our kids so voilent?"
LOL
Davidenkovich97 1 year ago
Err... is that spider wearking blackface?!?
ArchDufferJones 1 year ago
lyrics? links?
pillowpannts 1 year ago
beware of strangers
osbely 1 year ago
ANIME CLASSIC
000900Az 1 year ago
I like the spider, I want him to eat that irritating little kid
BardicSp00n 1 year ago 2
クモ役の松尾護郎さんの歌声がとてもダンディーでカッコイイ(*´∀｀*)
てんとう虫も可愛いけどミノムシも可愛いなぁｗ
Tototomaru 1 year ago
"masterpiece" is an overstatement, I think.
terazop 1 year ago
Huh...the spider creeps me out......but still very good! ^^ (Even tho I had no clue what they were sayin ha.) XD
AngelofLightX4 1 year ago
Can't be bother to read all the comments before this, but I'm pretty sure the spider is supposed to be Bing Crosby, NOT some stereotype of Africans or Americans or whatever the hell else is "obvious". Note the hat, pipe, and deep singing voice. It's a true masterpiece regardless. Thanks for the upload.
JQey8706 1 year ago 2
cute mini movie, having watched many subtitled anime i could sort of understand some of it
williefleete 1 year ago
OK... I looked it up, and I stand corrected.
This cartoon is famous, and was, in fact, made in 1943, at the height of the war.
I guess Director Kenzo Masaoka, still just wanted to entertain children with a cute little story.
This apparently angered the Japanese military authorities, precisely because it was the only film produced during the war years that was NOT a propaganda piece. (Good for you, Mr. Masaoka. RIP)
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skeilak 1 year ago 49
This just doesn't look like something made during the war. It's kinda cute, and animation style is cruder (yet prettier) than the stuff from the war years.
Seems to be more the early to mid-30s era. (IMHO)
I'd have to agree with "drakkonami's" assessment of the spider. (Maybe an Al Jolson parody?) The difference being the racist depiction of blacks in the US was most often as silly "minstrel clowns" as opposed to their being truly evil.
Still, an excellent film. Good that it survived.
skeilak 1 year ago 2
how the hell was this produced during WWII?
Madfluffy187 2 years ago
it was before that WOrld War shorts are much more propagandistic
Octavius666 1 year ago
I can't really see through the static, but I 'd say it's from Sochiku films, Japan's other legandary film studio.
headphone355 2 years ago 2
I see a lot of comments about the spider, and I have to admit the depiction is at the very least promoting xenophobia. Just because many Japanese hadn't come into contact with black people at the time doesn't mean that these sorts of depictions wouldn't influence cultural encounters in the future, and I think they have. Granted, this is to a great extent the fault of American racism and cultural colonialism. With these stipulations I've enjoyed the beauty that was indeed there...
drakkonami 2 years ago 2
i like. perfekt as is... Art is on
awoolherb 2 years ago 3
terrible production title card quality, but great cartoon.
03mrx 2 years ago 3
昔のアニメーションが見られるとは ありがたいものです。
gjgjadm 2 years ago 5
1943?
The878709 2 years ago
what a brilliant masterpiece this film is.
sutcliffe62x 2 years ago 5
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i thought that the cartoon was rascist was first cuz the spider was black but then at the end, the bee, fly, or whatever it was was also black so i guess not. anyhoo, great cartoon for children.
babigurl10546 2 years ago
Well, the spider's face is rendered in an obvious racial stereotype.
shadejford 2 years ago
@shadejford Blackface?
vivelecorn 2 years ago
@Hollywoodian Blackface.
shadejford 2 years ago
@shadejford just like american cartoons of the time (e.g., popeye vs the japs, and stuff)
jradetzky 1 year ago
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why was my comment marked down? oh let me fix that last sentence: great cartoon for everyone.
babigurl10546 2 years ago
super cartoon :D
mikulski9 2 years ago 2
Surely one must realize that Cybord 009 featured a similar approach when depicting the black member. Also, there are a lot of borderline black face characters still being made. I often wonder how the Japanese view blacks today.
francohealy 2 years ago 2
Beautiful old Japanese animation. And ladybug girl is adorable... ^-^
AzumiCoyote 2 years ago 2
I like how it isn't propaganda like the majority of cartoons made during this time.
FlightofThunder 2 years ago
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beefheart22 2 years ago 33
@beefheart22 This is from before robots, lasers or schoolgirls were invented.
Gavster59 3 months ago
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stupid japs
fixfred99 2 years ago
this is really wonderful cartoon
kaiser000000 2 years ago
The ladybug is adorable. Too bad the visuals are so poor that I was not able to take a snapshot of her. And yep, that spider looked like Al Jolson...interesting. Nice singing voice though.^^)
Gordis57 2 years ago
and this is what they saw before going into battle to never return home...?
kaboutertjuh 2 years ago
@kaboutertjuh at least it wasn't stupid popeye
jradetzky 1 year ago
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btw, the spider dude is male, tho only female spiders spin webs.., oooh, i get it.., spider dude's androgynous, right?
jerseydevil1395 2 years ago
by the way, spiders cant sing either..so why dont you correct that too
irishswift 2 years ago 2
about jerseydevil1395's post:
that was me, i didnt know people would take that as an offense. my apologies. i have a disorder which makes it hard for me to tell right from wrong. =/
Ogopogo57 1 year ago
I'm guessing this used to cheer up japanese children when their fathers were in WWll .
jerseydevil1395 2 years ago
The lady bug girl is adorable
skinnerburgers 2 years ago
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uckersas 2 years ago
I thought this cartoon was American, due to the obvious racism reference...
IAMJEWELMAN 2 years ago
The Axis often used racists images in propaganda. This look at Japaneses animation during WW2 is fascinating.
LammasuRex 2 years ago
i could tell this is racist by the spider representing america
the japs made war cartoons and so did the germans ex: der storenfried
uckersas 2 years ago
@uckersas and so did the americans ex. popeye vs the japs
jradetzky 1 year ago
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this is an abomination
BECK26x 2 years ago
how so??
maryXvictor 2 years ago
Because it's not anime.
Adeon55 2 years ago
Actually, animation did NOT originate in America. It originated in France. Ever heard of Emile Cole (I think that's his name)? He is the father of animation and his studio was in FRANCE!
AngelMeiru 2 years ago 5
it's fantasgimore
correct me if i mispelled
uckersas 2 years ago
@AngelMeiru
yelloweyeball 1 year ago
its creeepyy
8416287 2 years ago
I don't understand Japanese, but the music is very enjoyable.
misharyutubbee 2 years ago 4
I don't think the intentions were to make this cartoon to publish a certain propaganda. This was in 1943. If you were to compare Warner Bros' cartoons during that time i bet you'd find similarities: (watch?v=KvA1zphaeTQ). It's just the era that we are in right now is 66 years after, and everyone can't help but to look at it in the eyes of the era that we're currently in. You must consider the Japan/America relations back then.
SophisticatedHood 2 years ago
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SophisticatedHood 2 years ago
Beautiful, they certainly do not make them like that anymore. The moving work is so fluid that it could match mdern CGI almost. Propaganda or not is excellent.
56LC 2 years ago 3
if you go to the website of shochiku co ltd (the company who made this cartoon) and you search all the cartoon made by this company during ww2, the only propganda cartoon made by shochiku was momotaro umi no shinpei.
minorukun02 2 years ago
another proof that this cartoon is not a propaganda is that a propaganda always have an explicit main message because the goal of a propaganda is to convince the largest number of people of something or to do something,so a propaganda with implicit message is nonsense
minorukun02 2 years ago
I believe the implicit themes were probably more explicit in the eyes of Japanese citizens during WWII. It's similar to the way a political cartoon published in your daily newspaper uses symbolism (although frankly those cartoonists are a lot clumsier at it). Propaganda can use symbolism the way this cartoon did if it is understood by the target audience.
Though I suppose you would have to be native of Japan living in 1943 to be absolutely sure of this cartoon's intentions.
videogamer810 2 years ago
it's a possibility
minorukun02 2 years ago
i think this cartoon is not a propaganda because propaganda are always explicit ,this is not the case here and i don't consider the black spider's head as an explicit propaganda message because a lot of old cartoon contain racial stereotypes without being a propaganda.
minorukun02 2 years ago
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"because propaganda are always explicit"
You wouldn't recognize the propaganda even if its butt-fucks you, retard.
Svjatogor 2 years ago
I agree with you, people these days are sometimes unnecessarily sensitive. After all, this is a long time ago.
But I think the cartoonist might be influenced by American cartoons at the time
rochelimit55555 2 years ago
reminds me a lot of walt disneys stuff.....cartoons like this beat a lot of modern cartoons.
EvilJesusWTF 3 years ago 3
why is signing in japanese?
heybabylolz 3 years ago
Because it is a Japanese Cartoon
Rafnasty 2 years ago
Asian take of Betty Boop.
kub73158 3 years ago
It's your persecution complex
NippleOfNippon 3 years ago
I've seen this video about four times now. I believe it is a propaganda film. Every time I see that spider, it reminds me of a black caricature of Bing Crosby, hat and pipe included. Also, note the singing style of spider definitely non oriental style. The lady bug is a cute little character. Her hairstyle is definitely America mid 20s though. Overall, a nicely drawn cartoon. Thank you for a very interesting, to say the least, post.
aceshigh130 3 years ago
can someone please help? when i was in japan in a film museum, i saw a film about an origami fox and mole singing their way to a house. it was in colour. does anyone know this cartoon?
alixtron 3 years ago
The black spider looks like an american mammy singer
jonybang 3 years ago
you mean blackface?
mushmouth4life 3 years ago
anyone have an english translation of the song
eeelick 3 years ago
Is this an allegory to the WW2? or what?
live4marilyn 3 years ago
I think yes :/
13LuxAeterna13 3 years ago
subtitles pls!
RedTerror 3 years ago
Was the black spider related to some anti-American propaganda?
7omnia7 3 years ago
Probably. The popular image of an American in the Fascist countries was that of a stereotypical black man.
Khomradeigor 3 years ago
Why the hell did they give me so many thumbs down?!
7omnia7 3 years ago
bine maya fake
HereTiceR 3 years ago
So what. whats done is done. it's just a cartoon.
galengino 3 years ago
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korean nigger spider..
JadedGrey 3 years ago
LOL
keisuke908 3 years ago
omg... its abit creepy but this show is 65 yrs old as of yr2008.
amberlene90 3 years ago
Last two coments should be in the another place...
JahrGelt 3 years ago
This spider is really an African-Japanese...
JahrGelt 3 years ago
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You video is very interesting
patrick31031976 3 years ago 2
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lazy nigger spider
boxdrinks 3 years ago
Is it a little kid or a woman singing the ladybird's lines? Where exactly did Japan get their plethora of talented singing children in the 1940's (thinking this, Momotaro Umi no Shinpei, even back into the 30's with Fox and Badger)
JFMello1116 3 years ago
The spider wearing a blackface, interesting.
Elvuz 3 years ago
The bee that saves the ladybird in the end is black. And it has even the same exaggerated spider's big-lips, hasn't it?
VioletScrap 3 years ago 3
I like this short it shows alot of work in the early stages of the film, panning to the right or leftfocus out of focus all things you would expect to find in a real life action film. The fact that it is an animation is very thrilling. Something else that should be noted, this film reminds me of fantasa, watch it agian and ask yourself did ol'walt plagerize?????
heathersmelody 3 years ago
Fantasia was released in 1940 (three years before this cartoon), so...no?
Frimelda 1 year ago
No question that the spider symbolises a black man, the hands did that clear for me. However, I don't give a shit they can make whatever cartoons they like fuck this global policestateworld.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 years ago
this, vs steamboat willie. I think this wins by a mile, even if i only understand about a quarter of it.
wowfood 3 years ago
Masaoka was one of the giants of early Japanese animation, and this is probably his greatest work. Setting aside the racist portrayal (which was a direct Western import that had no profound meaning in Japan), one remarkable aspect of this film that set it apart from other animation of the same period is that there isn't even a hint of war propaganda. Thanks to miniTAIYAKI for posting it. (If you like this, you can see more old anime on my channel.)
mattthorn 3 years ago 5
I find it absolutly adorable!! it's so cute. Fav
maryXvictor 3 years ago 2
Japanese old anime had a great deal of atmosphere.beautidul song,a look,a sense of season etc. I'm glad that nowadays japanese anime is popular whole world, though these anime lack of something.
itadakimau 3 years ago 3
great!!
1alvarouribe 3 years ago
its a freakin cartoon, just watch it, it doesnt need a friggin debate on racism
craiggrawwwwr 3 years ago 4
your right but come on the spider looks wrong
Lhatesramen 3 years ago
Creepy as hell!... I like it, though. The spider has a very nice singing voice.
FriedBatteries 3 years ago
pulzar:
This cartoon is racist and is 'of its time'. But, racism has not gone away its just as bad,with a subtler approach.
When you deny someone work, education or a promotion based on their colour, they can't punch you in the face. The law protects you.
'Political correctness' is to protect good ppl, against having to punch u in the face!
We need 'political correctness', because there are, still, many ppl who genuinely believe that paler skin confers an intrinsic superiority.
:|
CrackticusPotts 3 years ago
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Why was the spider a black guy?
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
Why shouldn't it be ?
Pulzar 3 years ago 12
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Because it's racist...
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
So black people playing the bad guys in modern action movies is racist as well ?
It would have been fine for the spider to be any other race accept for black ?
People take political correctness way too far...
Pulzar 3 years ago 8
No I'm talking about the way he looks. Big eyes, huge lips, overly dark skin, that nose. Ever heard of "black face"?
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
They also do this with chinese people and indians in modern american cartoons, never heard anyone complain about those.
Big nose, narrow eyes... it's just some harmless stereotyping.
Pulzar 3 years ago
Exactly, and if I were Chinese, Japanese, or Indian, I'd be pissed off too.
And, "Harmless Stereotyping"?
Harmless?
HARMLESS!!!?
There have been tons and tons of issues over a race of people being drawn stereotypically.
For example, Jynx (from Pokemon), those Japanese people in that Bugs Bunny cartoon, Mr. Popo (from Dragonball, although I didn't mind him that much). You just don't know how it feels because your.....uh....nah, I won't go there.
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
Asians and black people also portray caucasians in a stereotypical way, I for one don't give a living shit.
Black people call white people crackers, the chinese world for white man literaly means "longnose". Why should I be offended by that ?
Pulzar 3 years ago 4
Ha, well if I were white, I'd be offended. My only guess for white people being fine with it, is because they've treated other races so badly for some many years, I guess it's pay back or something. I could be wrong. Still, if I were white and some black guy called me a cracker, I'd be offended. I guess that's just how I am...
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
I'd be ofended too, I call every black man calling me cracker nigger, they had it coming, themselves to blame.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 years ago
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! You're white and you called a black guy a nigger?? Are you ok? Did they beat you up? Are they gonna beat you up? When you're walking home, I'd be careful if I were you. Because you might get jumped...
KirbyPhelpsPK 3 years ago
Haha, are you serious? No, they were pussies and talkers, all of them, they're not cool, only hiphop gangster wannabes, the black punkrocker I know he has more guts than them.
Imhornydadcomeinside 3 years ago 2
This producer does not have the intention of the racial discrimination.
However, as for these cartoon, it was not got the recommendation of the Education Ministry because the then Japanese Government thought about the same thing.
yamahaelectone 3 years ago
For those interested, I did a quick capture of the soundtrack and split it up into 7 mp3s. I'm sharing it on soulseek right now. Just search "Kumo to churippu".
oystermind 3 years ago
I love this cartoon. The great thing is, I'm in Japan right now. Day six of 35. First flight out of Canada.
By the way, this cannot be war propaganda. The war ended in 1945 August. This cartoon was made in 1947 as the title states.
douchebagmoore 3 years ago