it isn't just Americans that admire Lemay. He did what he had to do to crush Japan. Those cunts would have taken a hundred thousand GI's with them if an invasion of the home islands had been neccessary. Funny how the peaceniks always seem to overlook the horrendous war crimes of the Japanese. They got exactly what they had coming to them in my opinion. Uncle Sam straightened their asses out good and they've been pleasant neighbors since. Hell even I drive a Toyota and its a great truck.
To all of those that love the great Curtis LeMay, please find and purchase the book called "Iron Eagle: the turbulent life and times of General Curtis LeMay". It's a wonderful book that you'll always read. He was truly a great boss of a man that would put todays commanders to shame. He knew how to win.
@lwm762 Yes, I agree. A good book that shows what real leadership is about for the military; that is looking after your subordinates. He trained them hard, but he wanted them to have the pride of winning and just as important...to return from dangerous missions.
Curtis LeMay was one of the all time best military leader America has ever had. We owe it to him for winning World War 2 and the cold war that followed. He built SAC, and SAC won the cold war. Thank you General! I don't care what anyone in the government says, General Lemay deserved to become a 5-star general, but they wouldn't give it to him because of politics.
Men like General LeMay and the thousands who served under him in SAC during his command, and for decades afterwards, are the very reason I am still here today to type these words, in English.
I would have loved for him to have been the one making the decisions on 9/12..........
I am stunned to see so many people admiring this men. But, personally I am frightened by the decisions he tooked.
He put it this way :
"Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal."
Curtis LeMay
I definitely don't support the Japanese. I just wanna ask you something. What if Japanese attacked San Francisco instead of Pearl Harbor? It's easy to see only one side of a war. But, is it enough?
keimzelle you have no idea what it takes to win a war. This was a great man that made tough decisions that yes, involved the taking of human life. I thank god every day for men like you, and not some jackass capable of making a youtube video with a holier than thou attitude. If we left freedom up to people like you, there would be no freedom. There are bad people in the world and when people like you are "oppressed", who are you gonna look to to protect you? Men like General LeMay.
General Lemany was one hell of a man. He laid the wood to the nippons. No telling how many more would have bit the dust if Lemany had had a bigger stach of fire bombs.
@warrenbattistejazz Agreed he was a great General, however, he only applied the force necessary. The firebombing of Japan was necessary due to the high altitude winds that made precision bombing impossible. LeMay only resorted to using firebombing at LOW altitude because it was necessary to shut down weapons production. The bombers of the day could not go much faster than the Jet stream & therefore were running out of fuel and couldn't be precise. So, it was LeMay's ingenuity that saved the day
I agree that war is horrible. But what the Japanese were doing was no less horrible than the Nazis. Could we have done better? I'm sure there were better methods, but unfortunately, even when we don't want to, as a collective consciousness, we are forced to do what we must to preserve a way of life that can let others exist in peace. Any civilian killed is a tragedy. But war is war. At the end of the day, it's all about numbers. We must do what we must to protect ourselves. But only in defense.
@strato172 when you go to war, it is total war , then you worry about civilians... That is the way to win a war brought about by the enemy, not the usa, we finish wars.. total war... then pause...
LeMay did what had to be done to destroy an evil. The Japanese massacred 300,000 civilians at Nanking and some 3.9 million Chinese during the war. The Manila massacre alone resulted inthe death over 100,000 Filipinos. Those number just scratch the surface. LeMay and his men helped put a top to wholesale slaughter by Imperial Japan. He owes no one, least of all the Japanese, an apology.
(cont'd) Perhaps the two most dangerous of all the generals were Curtis LeMay and his head of the Strategic Air Command, General Thomas Power. General LeMay is legendary for his mania to start World War III by goading the Soviet Union with unauthorized reconnaissance flights that penetrated their forbidden boundaries.
"I remember Curtis LeMay sitting there [in the gallery at the JFK autopsy] with a big cigar in his hand." --Paul O'Connor, laboratory technologist who assisted in the autopsy of President Kennedy
"Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards! At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!" --Thomas Power, commander in chief of the Strategic Air Command from 1957 to 1964, "The Wizards of Armageddon"
Ho, ho- ttmaster26 says commies aren't people! Therefore, it wasn't people who won WW2, because it was the USSR commies who did the most to destroy the Nazi war machine...if it weren't for the USSR commies, LeMay's sorry ass would've been killed by a much stronger Luftwaffe. Ttmaster26 should show some gratitude to the achievements of the Red Army.
God bless curtis lemay. I truly regret that I will never have the honor of serving such a man. He knew what had to be done to bring the imperial war machine to its knees. brutal? yes but, there was know oyher option. The US was not fighting muslim radicals or vietnamese peasants or commie pigs, we were fighting the japanese, an extremely intelligent competent and highly motivated foe. We had to be more competent, motivated, and brutal, to win while keeping are losses to a minimum.
What a great man! God bless him. We need more men like this around today. 100,000 dead in one night from his strategic air bombing. Just think of the work he could have gotten done with today's technology.
Keimzelle, Curtis LeMay was considered a hero here in America after doing that. War is human nature and needs to be unleashed. Through war comes peace. Life is sacred, but killing communists is like doing the dishes. Communists are not people. Communist are a threat to my personal freedom and liberty, therefore I have no problem with their disposal. You do not understand military strategy, so I know it's over your head to comprehend the greatness of Curtis LeMay.
As LeMay said after WWII - if Japan had won the war, he would have been tried for war crimes against humanity.
LeMay wanted a nuclear war with the USSR "while we had the advantage" and was pissed at Kennedy for "backing down" in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Even after it was over he wanted to invade Cuba - KNOWING that millions would be killed in a nuclear exchange.
LeMay was a great pre-nuclear general who thought he had all the answers - he did not.
The Japanese, did start the Pacific War and yes total war IS the way to fight a war unless you want to lose. The Japanese did not seem to have much difficulty murdering, slaughtering and raping civilians in China and other Asian countries. We simply defended ourselves and took the war to Japan as they tookmit to us. We killed civiians yes but when they build factories in civilian areas where there are schools, houses & temples then sometimes innocent people die. So goes war...
CNS2: so, if the U.S. uses the most brutal methods possible, why, then, would the U.S. be considered a more honorable country than was Japan under Tojo? Also, do you think the U.S. has ever started a war? Surely you must know there've been dozens of U.S. actions and even major wars in which the U.S. was the aggressor. So, if our opponents had had nuclear weapons in those cases, they'd have been justified to drop them on U.S. cities, according to your logic?
That's a lame excuse. Using that line of reasoning, you could bomb any city because banks (which finance the war industry), are always located in cities. Universities are, among other reasons, also in existence to educate military personnel.
Just because many important institutions are located in cities it is not justified to bomb cities. Above all, cities are populated by CIVILIANS, not by soldiers.
Also, according to Mokoma, anything would have been okay to use against Japan because Japan started the war. Okay, Mokoma, consider this: the U.S. started its escalation of the SE Asia war by trumping up an incident in the Tonkin Gulf. So, the U.S. being the aggressor, shouldn't it then be subject to nuclear attack, under your logic? But no, your hero, LeMay, wanted to drop nuclear weapons on the Viet Namese!
Mokoma: my quote of the question from Howard Zinn makes the point that the U.S. wouldn't have incinerated approximately 200,000 American women & children, regardless of how many U.S. soldiers/marines/sailors lives it supposedly would have saved. But that is a false choice, anyway, as Japan was ready to surrender, a couple of weeks prior to 8/6/45, as long as it could have the minimal condition of the monarchy kept in place (which it was, eventually).
But back to the A-bombs: I think it was Howard Zinn who asked, "If we could have theoretically saved a huge number of U.S. servicemens' lives by dropping an A-bomb on a U.S. city, would we have done it?" Which proves that the act was immoral: of course we can incinerate Japanese women & children, but not American women & children.
Thank you for your comments, stadium! The question raised by Howard Zinn is one everybody has to answer. When somebody says he needs to do something terrible in order to achieve something good it still is terrible.
Were there alternatives to bombing Japanese cities. Yes, there were. A naval blockade for example. But they let LeMay oversee the killing of thousands of innocents. I hope their cries continue to haunt the souls of U.S. airmen.
If somebody starts a war, NOT all means of defense are justified. If you think the Japanese military has attacked Pearl Harbor - yes, then go after the Japanese navy.
If you think mothers and children have flown the airplanes that bombed Pearl Harbor - yes, then you can bomb Japanese cities where those mothers and children lived.
It was not only the Japanese Navy who went to war with the Americans and the Allies. It was the entire Japanese State. The Japan and the USA were in a state of TOTAL WAR. Japan enaged in a mobilization of all available resources at their disposal, whether, human, industrial, agricultural, military, technological, or otherwise, in order to entirely destroy the rival capacity to wage war. In this type of environment civilians and soldiers alike, can be considered part of the belligerent effort.
As for LeMay, he was a sick man, spiritually. A genocidal maniac! He infamously called for nuclear weapons to be used on North Viet Nam. I guess 3x tonnage of all ordnance used in WW2 having been dropped by the U.S. on SE Asia wasn't enough for the bloodthirsty psychopath.
The Japanese had let it be known, prior to the Hiroshima A-bomb, that they would surrender provided Hirohito be kept on the throne, but the U.S. demanded "no conditions"; and, finally, the result was that the monarchy was kept. The real point of the A-bombs was to let the USSR know that it shouldn't participate in the occupation of Japan (the USSR had just declared war on Japan).
Curtis LeMay is in hell now being tortured by eternal fire for what he did to Japanese children and women. He bombed from the surrounding areas toward the center of Tokyo blocking all the ways to run away, which means his intention lied in murdering ordinary citizens.
Oh, my. what a perverted notion your have! What did Hirohito and General Tojo to you Americans? Did they burn 300,000 american children, women, old men and women with 5000 degree heat and radiation alive? Or did they burn alive 100,000 innocent american citizens with incendiary bombs over a night?
Nope, they didn't, because we didn't give them the chance. Japan's war industry support was unfortunatley located in heavily populated civillian areas. That was one of the reasons justifying the bombing of civillian areas of Japan. Also, if Hirohito didn't like his civillian populace being killed, he could have surrendered at any time. As LeMay himself remarked on the subject of war, "you've got to kill people and when you kill enough, they stop fighting".
Your logic fails you. If a person or a nation did nothing to you, you have no right to accuse him or it of the sin that is evil enough to throw him or it to hell. Your country DID horrendous attacks to non-combatants no matter how your country makes excuse. And based on the same logics the US killed millions of Asians in Vietnam and Iraq. The country's evil foreign policy is backed up by the people who deceive themselves making complacent pretexts.
As far as there are evil govt and evil people who have no remorse on nuke attacks in the US, continuing to deceive themselves and act as a hero, the country is doomed to destruction. God is alive and punish them in the near future.
Hahaha, why did God punish us? We have never done such a thing as dropping Atomic bombs on to babies or throwing napam or cluster bombs onto Iraqi and Vietnamese after creating false accusations like Tonkin Bay incident or Quwait hospital attacks? The Atomic Bombs were sheer works of the evil nature of the US govt people. So your country is doomed to hell.
Regarding Hirohito's surrender, you are standing on a wrong basis that it was right thing to do to press unconditional surrender to Japan. The US has no right to do that. The only country that pressed such a claim to us was the US. "UNCONDITIONAL"??? Insane! Who could easily accept such an outrageous condition? What country would be willing to be occupied by those who say "I will do whatever I want to do." ? The US claims caused us to postpone the answer, which allowed the US to drop nukes.
According to the documents recently declassified, Roosevelt and Stimson wanted to provoke Japan into war in order to pave the way for the US to go to Europe for fight with Germany. Actually they said, "I want Japan to fire the first shot." And there had been a plan of bombing Japan proper before Pearl Harbor.
In addition, another declassified CIA document shows that Sasagawa and Kodama who worked for Japanese Navy as gangs in China were under the command of Gen. Yamamoto, a free mason, who has been suspected as a stooge of the US. There is a great possibility that the invasion activities of which the US accused Japan were performed according to the orders of the US. Can you understand? The situations are the same as those in Iraq! They served the US as Bin Laden and Husein who provoked the US citizen
So you're saying that Roosevelt organized the bombing of Pearl Harbor through a free mason Japenese general? Let me just entertain that idea for a minute and ask what possible gain could Roosevelt and the Free Masons obtained by purposely getting the US into WWII?
Study the hsitory harder, friend. Roosevelt and Free Masons got much from the invasion of Japan even today. The US got hegemony in the world creating Army base camps after wars everywhere.
So Roosevelt and the Free Masons set up the Pearl Harbor attack and went to war against one of the world's major superpowers just so they could establish a few military bases in the Pacific? I'm actually glad I haven't read the history books you read.
I'm actually glad I haven't read the history books you read???
I am actually glad that I have gained the information not from the American history books but American disclassified documents. Read McCollum memo. Former CIA beuraucrats have never read that?
Not American history books but American newspaper would teach you the true reason for the A-bombs. Curtis LeMay argued that his conventional bombing had already ended the war: Even without the atomic bomb and the Russian entry into the war, Japan would have surrendered in two weeks. (Giles Would Rule Japan A Century, New York Times, 21 September 1945, 4.) Huh? Why American textbooks do not teach you the true reason for the war and A-bombs? Because there are no reasonable answers.
Because there are no reasonable answers, CIA have had to continue to tell lies to citizens to avoid national controversies about the WW2 and Vietnam War, which would make Americans against wars. This means to CIA frustrations of their plans: establishing total domination of CFR or Illuminati over the world through the US military power. Understood? In order to achieve their plans, it is necessary to deceive Americans and turn them to be belligerent. So CIA have needed to conduct inside jobs.
The Illuminati is supposed to be an international organization. Wouldn't Hitler, Hirohito or Mussolini have been a part of it? Especially Hitler, since he was much more hell-bent on world domination than anyone else in WWII. The Illuminati would have achieved there goals much quicker by having Roosevelt surrender to the Axis powers in WWII.
No. Illuminati's plan is to use the US millitary power not German power, because the US citizens would not allow the US overt invasion into the world countries to take place. Hence, the US bankers financed Hitler secretly. The same tactics have been used by the US: Create bad guys in the country that they want to take over; Make them do evil things, including invasion; Get permission of starting war with the country from International org; Invade that. Illuminati know hasty activities will fail
Or if not that, the Illuminati could have just got US leaders to allow the Soviet Union to do whatever it wanted after the war, and not stand in its way. The Soviet style of thought was much more in-line with what the Illuminati would believe anyways.
Illuminati has financed both sides of the groups: Axis and Allies; Communists and Capitalists; and Zionists and anti-Zionists to make money by selling weapons. They hope people are in war with each other to make money. And they are afraid of people being aware of their secret plan of world domination. They know premature activities will make ppl wake up, so they do invasions through the US salvation activities. People have regarded the US occupation as salvation until 911 and Iraq war.
The McCollum memo and Pearl Harbor are coincidences. Which memo is it that shows that the Free Masons and Roosevelt conspired with Japanese military leaders to plan the Pearl Harbor attack? I guess that one is still Top Secret, lol.
Coincidence??? lol Who will believe that? Roosevelt and Stimson said, "I hope Japan to fire the first shot." They asked McCollum to create plans for provoking Japan into war. And one year after that the same things as written in the memo actually happened. Who will believe that was coincidence?
After the war between China and Japan, Russia and Japan, we did not occupy the whole land nor establish pro-Japan govt nor created Japanese base camps in there. But the US did them to us in our land, confiscating all the weapons, destroying all the armies based on "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER". And the US even pressed their constitution. What an arrogant nation! The US is the number one invader in the human history. Such an evil country as this should be demolished and crashed into pieces.
The US has been borrowing enormous amount of money from us: 6 trillion dollars. But it won't refund it to us because it has published national bonds but does not allow them to be sent to Japan. If a dollar value goes down, we will lose the value of the bonds. So we want to change them into money as soon as possible but Americans do not allow. Therefore, essentially, the bonds are and will be just papers for us. Americans have been leading a luxurious life depending on the debt from Japan.
Yeah, imposing a constitution with things like "freedom of speech", the right to a jury trial, and the right to vote for government officials is something that is just soooooooo evil and unjust.
Why are you so ignorant? Why did you skip schools? The Japanese former constitution had "Freedom of speech" and "the right to vote for government officials". And the former constitution had a system of trial. Do you think that all the good and modern things that Japan today has was presents from the US? Huh?
Judging from this American's remarks, we can see how the US ordinary citizens are functionally illiterate. Why? Why are they so ignorant of history? Because the govt wants them to remain stupid. TV continuously is giving them useless imformation and dream something like "The US is the greatest nation in the world. We are the champion in every field of life! We have been giving peace, freedom and prosperity!" Interesting, isnt it?
Just be happy that when the US did finally get Japan to surrender we didn't treat the survivors like Japan treated the survivors of the places it overtook. If anyone in the Far East has a reason to be complaining about WWII atrocities to this day, it would at the least be the Chinese against your nation's atrocities.
Huh? jameswoolsey, Chinese also did horrible things to Japanese survivors during and after the war. Regarding the treatment of survivors, we laugh when the US boasts of its well treatment of POW despite the fact that it forced German POWs to live outdoors without roof, water and food. Many of them died from hunger and cold. And it is funny to see the US boast of humanitarian deeds during the war, because everybody knows that it has been the most aggressive and destructive power in the world.
How has the US been the most aggressive and destructive power in the world? Do you base that statement on the A-bombs alone or what else? And from what I have read German POWs fared pretty well in general in Allied hands. In some cases German troops would willingly surrender to the US if it looked like they would be overran by Soviet forces and forced to go Soviet POW camps.
For the research on the novelist James Bacque's accusing Eisenhower of starving a million German POWs to death in 1945 as an act of revenge, in 1990 the Eisenhower Center invited historians to a conference to examine these charges. The conferees concluded that there was widespread mistreatment of German prisoners by Allies in 1945.
Well you're the one that said the US imposed its constitution on Japan. If all that stuff was already in the Japanese constitution then what difference did it make?
The US forced us to "Relinquish the right as a sovereing nation to go to war" and totally to be dependent on the US millitary forces for defence. That is, Japan has been forced to be a total slave for the US. The US has been borrowing money from us but it has never refunded: the total amount is 6 trillion dollars. Many politicians who intended to make Japan independent of the US have been murdered or forced to resign. Now the US aims at depriving us of 3 trillion dollars of our bank.
Do you feel so happy to force someone to surrender with sheer might and even with the use of Atomic Bombs? And you say, "We won! We burnt Jap babies alive and even evaporated them!! Hahahaha!!!" Huh? Is the US a truly civilized country like MacArthur said, right?
Well I suppose when we got the atomic bombs, we should have just "tied that hand behind our back" and not used them. Then, we could have tried a ground invasion. If the Japanese were short on firearms and had to fight with knives and swords, we could have then forced our soldiers to fight with knives and swords, just to keep things "fair". C'mon, get real. It is because we used every means at our disposal to win that your country lost and I'm not the one sitting around whining 60 years later.
You can choose any means to win, including A-bombs to non-combatants? Ha, I understood why your country is using today white phosphorus bombs to burn non-combatants in Iraq. No wonder the world hates the US today. Feel free to boast of your military power and kill Iraqi babies with your state-of-the-art weapons in order to avoid whining after 60 years. huh? Can you guys in the world understand that Americans are barbarians. So they are doomed to destruction. I truly hope the US will be destroyed
Non-combatant casulaties in Iraq are mostly due to insurgents placing themselves among non-combatants. White phosphorus is used when the military can't get to them with convential high explosive rounds.
It is useless to distinguish between non-combatants and combatants in street fightings, where combatants cannot help fighting among non-combatants. Judging from what the US did in Japan, such as using A-bombs upon civilians after careful consideration of the time of their going out to school and work, 8:00AM, Americans cannot prove its innocense in battles in Iraq.
And you should consider what the US did in Viet Nam. It murdered 2.5 million Vietnamese to protect the country from the agression of Communists??? Again the famous pretext of the US: "We actually murdered 300,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with 5000 degree heat but please understand our intention was to save you Japanese!" To save Vietnamese, you killed brutally 2.5 million of them with incendiary bombs and Agent Orange? Huh? I ask you to stop your salvation activities in the world.
You can "hope" the US will be destroyed all you want. The only way that is going to happen is if we elect more of the type of people who would applaud your statements about the US, and they demilitarize the country to the point it can't defend itself. But as long as there are enough people in office here who take pride in this nation's military superiority, rather than feel guilty over it, your wish will not come true.
You should know how Rome perished. The country destroyed itself from within. Bragging is detrimental to you, Americans. No weapons will save you from your destruction.
May God damn him forever. He was just another murderer like Hitler and Stalin. Lemay Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians for no acceptable reason.
Even McNamara said had the U.S lost the war Lemay would have been tried as a war criminal.
LeMay is a hero. You are not fooling me with your revisionist history. War is won by killing people, not by pacifism. If the U.S had lost the war there would be no trials you idiot. There would not be a U.S. May GOD BLESS Curtis E. LeMay for making and carrying out decisions that almost no one could. No acceptable reason? You are a fool and have no business making comments about matters to which you know nothing about.
for what the japs did at nanking and unit 731, 50 nukes should have been dropped. this video poster is a fucking moron who does not understand the jap mentality of the time.
Thank you for that comment! I've heard one thing or two on LeMay's views on the Cuba crisis... :-/
Just to be said most people here misunderstand my video. I was pointing out that strategic bombing lacks every form of bravery. If a political leader isn't willing to let the infantry fight and die the war probably is not worth fighting at all.
So your just pissed it didnt come at the price of another 500 hundred thousands americans. If it were not for Lemay your grandfather would have been killed.
andy8181818181, no, no, no. without LeMay, another 500 hundred thousands americans would not have died. The best way to avoid casualties was to stop occupation of Japan proper. Why did the US want to do so? Or did the US think that would Japan occupy the US? No way. The US had evaluated the power of Japan and known the fact that Japan had no intention to war with the US. Read the historical record how earnestly Japanese had worked to prevent the war before Pearl H.
The way of the US to start the war with countries that it wants to occupy is the same: 1. bring up some evil persons such as Bin Laden, Husein, 2. make him do evil things such as invasion, 3. accuse him at international org such as UN. 4. get permission from it to start war, 5. occupy, 6. create US army base there. All that the US has done to date had been well planned out.
Curtis E.Lemay will forever be known as one of the greatest of American patriots having single-handedly done as much as any man could in bringing about the capitulation of Japan in ending WWII
So what do you propose we should've done in the case of Japan? Anything short of what we did would have probably prolonged the war for years and resulted in even more dead on both sides.
Well, I guess the Japanese shouldn't have waged war with the US. There is a price that must be paid for making bad choices. Why don't you make a video about the millions of Chinese, Korean, and Filipino civilians murdered by the Japanese during the war years. Read up on Nanking. LeMay is a true hero. He used the tools available at that time to win, and thus end the war that the Japanese started. Also, the USAAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievment.
Thanks for your comment, but I disagree on all your points. 1) The civilians are not responsible for what the military ranks decide. The Japanese could not elect their military leaders. 2) Japanese have done atrocities, it is easy to understand that every wrongdoer must be condemned, not regarding if any wrongdoer has done the same but has not been punished for it. Imagine all the cries in a courthouse: "Yes, I murdered! But I know of another one who murdered without punishment, so let me free!"
3) I know that LeMay was a great military leader by enforcing rigorous training and he himself led many dangerous missions over Germany. I acknowledge that. But for killing Japanese civilians he cannot count as a hero. 4) Again, the Japanese civilians did not start the war. They did not tell the naval fighters to attack Pearl Harbor. The one bearing the weapon in it hand, be it a gun or the yokes of an airplane is the hand, is only responsible for acts of war.
5) Killing civilians is not and will never be a military objective. The USAAF knew there were civilians in the cities firebombed, and they knew that many of them would not flee (because of Japanese propaganda or other reasons). If you think we should include killing civilians to normal military operations, go to Iraq and let's see how many new recruits Al Qaida will receive.
I wouldn't expect LeMay to be a hero to a non US citizen, but as an American whose grandfather was fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, he is a hero to me and many others. LeMay used the tools and tactics available at that time in history to defeat an enemy that chose to start a war with the US. Tokyo was the capital of the enemy, and contained war factories as well as government and military offices and HQs. It was a legit military target.
Final comment from my side... "Also, the USAAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievment." I want to answer this in strong words:
"The Nazis killed Germans yes, Jews were citizen of Germany in concentration camps by the millions. Let's not lessen their achievement."
Is this phrase above justified? No. But I do not see the fundamental difference between killing civilians by well-organized air attacks and killing civilians in well-organized concentration camps.
You're a DAMNED FOOL to compare the USAAF to the nazis! The Jews didn't attack or start a war like the Japanese did. The Japanese killed MILLIONS of civilians during the war. Did the Jews? The Jews were innocent, the Japanese were not! An entire nation, including it's civilians, are responsible for the actions of that nation. The Japanese civilians allowed their government to do what it did to the Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos. A population cannot wash their hands of their government.
The Japanese should honor LeMay. His tactics led to the defeat of their criminal government. This allowed the US to install a democracy in Japan that has brought the Japanese wealth and power. Japan is an economic superpower today because men like LeMay freed them from the Emperor and the military thugs that ruled them. Japan has freedom today because LeMay saved them from themselves.
No, the Japanese will never honor LeMay. And then, you should not teach other nations what to do and what to think. Did any European country ever invade the U.S. and tell how you should run your country? Did we? No. The only long-lasting progress is the one that is developed by the citizens themselves, without violence, force or war.
Mainsail, I like to discuss with you. But please remember that I made this video to question the FIREBOMBING of defenseless CIVILIANS and the LACK OF BRAVERY and SOLDIERSHIP of the USAAF bomber pilots.
You wanna be a soldier? Take your rifle and don't be afraid to get injured or even killed. But do not fly at 20'000 ft over Tokyo in your heated and pressurized B-29 bomber and kill women, workers and children indiscriminately.
DEFEATING Japan, however, was a necessary and just thing to do.
I already explained to you that the population often CANNOT change its fate. How could the population make a revolt and stop its government? Tell me. I will listen. When there's war, you cannot go to the ballot boxes and vote to stop the war. You simply CANNOT.
Your view only despises all the civilian victims of all the wars. Remember that the U.S. did NOT have to suffer civilian casualties in World War II. New York hasn't been firebombed. Japanese cities have been. Just acknowledge that.
Yeah Yeah, New York City wasn't firebombed but it sure as hell wasn't because the Japenese had any moral reservations over it. They just couldn't get their planes near any US city. But if they could have they would have firebombed every city in America. Also, we've seen in other conflicts how trying to selectively target only military personell and property can lead to defeat. We couldn't get away with it in Vietnam and we sure as hell wouldn't have gotten away with it against Japan.
"the Japenese had any moral reservations over it"?? What made you think so? Great imagination. Americans have no right to think that they can kill civilians in Japan and Vietnam, because they did nothing against Americans. Japan had made effort to stop the war before Pearl Harbor, but the US embargoed all the resources to Japan, which had depended on the US for 70% of natural resources. Americans should know the fact that the US has been invader from the start to the end in every war.
See what the US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Acts of demons. Burn alive children, women, old men and women with 5000 degree heat and radiation? What? Is this an act of civilized nation? The pretext is that these bombs were dropped to stop the casualties from increasing on the both sides. BS. Before saying that, ask yourself, "Why did the US want to occupy the Japan proper?" Because of Pearl Harbor? No. Think about the US evil tactics: unconditional surrender. The real intention was invasion.
"the US embargoed all the resources to Japan" - Yeah because Japan was INVADING other countries in Asia and the US did not want to be seen as a party to it by continuing to supply Japan with resources.
Why are you so ignorant? Who educated you? The US has been no.1 invading country in the world into Asia, including Japan. It forced us to open the country and established extraterritorial rights, which is a form of invasion. The western countries, including the US, have no right to accuse Japan of invasion. Such an accusation has been laughed at by all the persons who know the history of invasion by the western imperialistic powers.
ainsail- there was no USAF in 1945. It wasn't formed until '47. And your comment, "...the USAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievement."- I call that the comment of a sick, twisted, sadistic misanthrope.
Oh, David, how much I agree with you that wars are immoral, they kill and destroy everything on their way. To die for the fatheland is not honorable if we are soldiers of the army attacking the innocent, it's
different when we deffend our own country when we are attacked and have no other choice. Even then, dying is not honor, just a sad fact. Nobody wants to die. Why can't people live in peace and prosper being brothers? Did you read my profile? There is something about the subject.
Curtis LeMay said that there were no war crimes, because all war is criminal.
True.
thenutintheushanka18 2 weeks ago
More lemays fewer Obamas.
SANTORO61 4 weeks ago
whay a contribution to humanity you fucking scum bag thank God you are dead,a lake of fire is your reward..
144000V 1 month ago
He is the devil who slaughtered many Japanese.
His descendant will be cursed forever.
popykunbaka 2 months ago
support 2001 9 11
newnihonsystem 9 months ago
I just want to say Happy Veteran's Day. Thank God for all veterans. Thank God for the great General Curtis E. Lemay.
dgambino30 1 year ago
it isn't just Americans that admire Lemay. He did what he had to do to crush Japan. Those cunts would have taken a hundred thousand GI's with them if an invasion of the home islands had been neccessary. Funny how the peaceniks always seem to overlook the horrendous war crimes of the Japanese. They got exactly what they had coming to them in my opinion. Uncle Sam straightened their asses out good and they've been pleasant neighbors since. Hell even I drive a Toyota and its a great truck.
dogterd 1 year ago
@dogterd I second the motion. Well said!
glucose6phosphate 1 year ago
To all of those that love the great Curtis LeMay, please find and purchase the book called "Iron Eagle: the turbulent life and times of General Curtis LeMay". It's a wonderful book that you'll always read. He was truly a great boss of a man that would put todays commanders to shame. He knew how to win.
lwm762 1 year ago
@lwm762 Yes, I agree. A good book that shows what real leadership is about for the military; that is looking after your subordinates. He trained them hard, but he wanted them to have the pride of winning and just as important...to return from dangerous missions.
glucose6phosphate 1 year ago
@lwm762 "Mission with Lemay" is his autobiography and it gives you a real sense of the man and the times.
lucabrasi1337 11 months ago
commie
lordtiberius 1 year ago
Curtis LeMay was one of the all time best military leader America has ever had. We owe it to him for winning World War 2 and the cold war that followed. He built SAC, and SAC won the cold war. Thank you General! I don't care what anyone in the government says, General Lemay deserved to become a 5-star general, but they wouldn't give it to him because of politics.
Freesoler01 1 year ago
better knwown under the name "Iron Ass",sympathic name,ain`t it?
JosifVStalin 1 year ago
Just be glad Kennedy didn't follow his advise during the Cuban missile crisis - all you fanboys of LeMays wouldn't be here to overdo the praise
luridplanet 1 year ago
Men like General LeMay and the thousands who served under him in SAC during his command, and for decades afterwards, are the very reason I am still here today to type these words, in English.
I would have loved for him to have been the one making the decisions on 9/12..........
RIP to a true American hero.
Draggle77 1 year ago
Curtis Lemay believed in the application of maximum force if you're not prepared to do that You Shouldn't Fight a War In The First Place!
AdurianJ 1 year ago 2
@Keimzelle Words can't describe the contempt I have for people like you. Such short sightedness is what destroys nations.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
Just another psychopathic killer......
rlibos 1 year ago
I am stunned to see so many people admiring this men. But, personally I am frightened by the decisions he tooked.
He put it this way :
"Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal."
Curtis LeMay
I definitely don't support the Japanese. I just wanna ask you something. What if Japanese attacked San Francisco instead of Pearl Harbor? It's easy to see only one side of a war. But, is it enough?
aeftenie 1 year ago
I suggest to the person who prepared this video that he view "The Rape of Nanking".
rglinNewMex 1 year ago
keimzelle you have no idea what it takes to win a war. This was a great man that made tough decisions that yes, involved the taking of human life. I thank god every day for men like you, and not some jackass capable of making a youtube video with a holier than thou attitude. If we left freedom up to people like you, there would be no freedom. There are bad people in the world and when people like you are "oppressed", who are you gonna look to to protect you? Men like General LeMay.
stonerpd 1 year ago
General Lemany was one hell of a man. He laid the wood to the nippons. No telling how many more would have bit the dust if Lemany had had a bigger stach of fire bombs.
warrenbattistejazz 1 year ago
@warrenbattistejazz Agreed he was a great General, however, he only applied the force necessary. The firebombing of Japan was necessary due to the high altitude winds that made precision bombing impossible. LeMay only resorted to using firebombing at LOW altitude because it was necessary to shut down weapons production. The bombers of the day could not go much faster than the Jet stream & therefore were running out of fuel and couldn't be precise. So, it was LeMay's ingenuity that saved the day
glucose6phosphate 1 year ago
I agree with Sockettuem 100%. Lemay did right thing for the world at that time.He is a true hero. God bless his soul. Japan has to learn her lesson.
steve48864 1 year ago
I agree that war is horrible. But what the Japanese were doing was no less horrible than the Nazis. Could we have done better? I'm sure there were better methods, but unfortunately, even when we don't want to, as a collective consciousness, we are forced to do what we must to preserve a way of life that can let others exist in peace. Any civilian killed is a tragedy. But war is war. At the end of the day, it's all about numbers. We must do what we must to protect ourselves. But only in defense.
strato172 1 year ago
@strato172 when you go to war, it is total war , then you worry about civilians... That is the way to win a war brought about by the enemy, not the usa, we finish wars.. total war... then pause...
ihatecommunistislam2 1 year ago
LeMay did what had to be done to destroy an evil. The Japanese massacred 300,000 civilians at Nanking and some 3.9 million Chinese during the war. The Manila massacre alone resulted inthe death over 100,000 Filipinos. Those number just scratch the surface. LeMay and his men helped put a top to wholesale slaughter by Imperial Japan. He owes no one, least of all the Japanese, an apology.
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(cont'd) Perhaps the two most dangerous of all the generals were Curtis LeMay and his head of the Strategic Air Command, General Thomas Power. General LeMay is legendary for his mania to start World War III by goading the Soviet Union with unauthorized reconnaissance flights that penetrated their forbidden boundaries.
mtracy9 2 years ago
"I remember Curtis LeMay sitting there [in the gallery at the JFK autopsy] with a big cigar in his hand." --Paul O'Connor, laboratory technologist who assisted in the autopsy of President Kennedy
"Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards! At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!" --Thomas Power, commander in chief of the Strategic Air Command from 1957 to 1964, "The Wizards of Armageddon"
mtracy9 2 years ago
they all died to serve Japanese militarism
JimKelleher 2 years ago
Ho, ho- ttmaster26 says commies aren't people! Therefore, it wasn't people who won WW2, because it was the USSR commies who did the most to destroy the Nazi war machine...if it weren't for the USSR commies, LeMay's sorry ass would've been killed by a much stronger Luftwaffe. Ttmaster26 should show some gratitude to the achievements of the Red Army.
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
God bless curtis lemay. I truly regret that I will never have the honor of serving such a man. He knew what had to be done to bring the imperial war machine to its knees. brutal? yes but, there was know oyher option. The US was not fighting muslim radicals or vietnamese peasants or commie pigs, we were fighting the japanese, an extremely intelligent competent and highly motivated foe. We had to be more competent, motivated, and brutal, to win while keeping are losses to a minimum.
catpoacher 2 years ago 8
What a great man! God bless him. We need more men like this around today. 100,000 dead in one night from his strategic air bombing. Just think of the work he could have gotten done with today's technology.
ttmaster26 2 years ago 6
I pray for you. Isn't life something sacred for you?
Keimzelle 2 years ago
Keimzelle, Curtis LeMay was considered a hero here in America after doing that. War is human nature and needs to be unleashed. Through war comes peace. Life is sacred, but killing communists is like doing the dishes. Communists are not people. Communist are a threat to my personal freedom and liberty, therefore I have no problem with their disposal. You do not understand military strategy, so I know it's over your head to comprehend the greatness of Curtis LeMay.
ttmaster26 2 years ago 6
@ttmaster26
Watch "The Fog of War"
As LeMay said after WWII - if Japan had won the war, he would have been tried for war crimes against humanity.
LeMay wanted a nuclear war with the USSR "while we had the advantage" and was pissed at Kennedy for "backing down" in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Even after it was over he wanted to invade Cuba - KNOWING that millions would be killed in a nuclear exchange.
LeMay was a great pre-nuclear general who thought he had all the answers - he did not.
historyvideos101 2 years ago
You're a joke. Take your medication.
teamwounder 2 years ago
The Japanese, did start the Pacific War and yes total war IS the way to fight a war unless you want to lose. The Japanese did not seem to have much difficulty murdering, slaughtering and raping civilians in China and other Asian countries. We simply defended ourselves and took the war to Japan as they tookmit to us. We killed civiians yes but when they build factories in civilian areas where there are schools, houses & temples then sometimes innocent people die. So goes war...
CNS2 2 years ago
CNS2: so, if the U.S. uses the most brutal methods possible, why, then, would the U.S. be considered a more honorable country than was Japan under Tojo? Also, do you think the U.S. has ever started a war? Surely you must know there've been dozens of U.S. actions and even major wars in which the U.S. was the aggressor. So, if our opponents had had nuclear weapons in those cases, they'd have been justified to drop them on U.S. cities, according to your logic?
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
That's a lame excuse. Using that line of reasoning, you could bomb any city because banks (which finance the war industry), are always located in cities. Universities are, among other reasons, also in existence to educate military personnel.
Just because many important institutions are located in cities it is not justified to bomb cities. Above all, cities are populated by CIVILIANS, not by soldiers.
Keimzelle 2 years ago
Also, according to Mokoma, anything would have been okay to use against Japan because Japan started the war. Okay, Mokoma, consider this: the U.S. started its escalation of the SE Asia war by trumping up an incident in the Tonkin Gulf. So, the U.S. being the aggressor, shouldn't it then be subject to nuclear attack, under your logic? But no, your hero, LeMay, wanted to drop nuclear weapons on the Viet Namese!
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
Mokoma: my quote of the question from Howard Zinn makes the point that the U.S. wouldn't have incinerated approximately 200,000 American women & children, regardless of how many U.S. soldiers/marines/sailors lives it supposedly would have saved. But that is a false choice, anyway, as Japan was ready to surrender, a couple of weeks prior to 8/6/45, as long as it could have the minimal condition of the monarchy kept in place (which it was, eventually).
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
But back to the A-bombs: I think it was Howard Zinn who asked, "If we could have theoretically saved a huge number of U.S. servicemens' lives by dropping an A-bomb on a U.S. city, would we have done it?" Which proves that the act was immoral: of course we can incinerate Japanese women & children, but not American women & children.
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
Thank you for your comments, stadium! The question raised by Howard Zinn is one everybody has to answer. When somebody says he needs to do something terrible in order to achieve something good it still is terrible.
Were there alternatives to bombing Japanese cities. Yes, there were. A naval blockade for example. But they let LeMay oversee the killing of thousands of innocents. I hope their cries continue to haunt the souls of U.S. airmen.
Keimzelle 2 years ago
"Yes, there were. A naval blockade for example."
Then japanese would have starved to death. Would that been better?
"I hope their cries continue to haunt the souls of U.S. airmen. "
Why are you anti-american? If you want to blame someone then blame people who started the war.... or goes that against your agenda?
MokomaSusi 2 years ago
I did not say a *total* naval blockade which would include civilian goods like food and medical supplies.
I am not anti-American. I am pro-justice.
Keimzelle 2 years ago
Good! If you are pro-justice you will take into account the brutality that the Japanese inflicted all over China and South-East Asia.
metalkev00 2 years ago
If somebody starts a war, NOT all means of defense are justified. If you think the Japanese military has attacked Pearl Harbor - yes, then go after the Japanese navy.
If you think mothers and children have flown the airplanes that bombed Pearl Harbor - yes, then you can bomb Japanese cities where those mothers and children lived.
And yes, I read history books.
Keimzelle 2 years ago
@Keimzelle what a stupid child you are.... STUPID... history repeats because of you... half wit...
ihatecommunistislam2 1 year ago
It was not only the Japanese Navy who went to war with the Americans and the Allies. It was the entire Japanese State. The Japan and the USA were in a state of TOTAL WAR. Japan enaged in a mobilization of all available resources at their disposal, whether, human, industrial, agricultural, military, technological, or otherwise, in order to entirely destroy the rival capacity to wage war. In this type of environment civilians and soldiers alike, can be considered part of the belligerent effort.
robto 1 year ago
As for LeMay, he was a sick man, spiritually. A genocidal maniac! He infamously called for nuclear weapons to be used on North Viet Nam. I guess 3x tonnage of all ordnance used in WW2 having been dropped by the U.S. on SE Asia wasn't enough for the bloodthirsty psychopath.
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
The Japanese had let it be known, prior to the Hiroshima A-bomb, that they would surrender provided Hirohito be kept on the throne, but the U.S. demanded "no conditions"; and, finally, the result was that the monarchy was kept. The real point of the A-bombs was to let the USSR know that it shouldn't participate in the occupation of Japan (the USSR had just declared war on Japan).
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
hey buddy ...we saved american lives ..you scumbag
73FastPistola 2 years ago
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73FastPistola 2 years ago
One of the greatest men to ever live.A true hero of the American people.Shame on his detractors.If you mess with a tiger you get the CLAWS!!!!!!
IBERJEN 2 years ago
Lemay is just a hero the same way that other murders such as Hitler could be!
How could a reasonable person justify bombing of residential areas of Tokyo by napalm bombs?
The fact that Allies won the war does not make this murdered war criminal any less guilty of his Japanese or Nazi counterparts.
longlance610 2 years ago
Curtis LeMay is in hell now being tortured by eternal fire for what he did to Japanese children and women. He bombed from the surrounding areas toward the center of Tokyo blocking all the ways to run away, which means his intention lied in murdering ordinary citizens.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
No Curtis LeMay is in heaven looking down at Emporer Hirohito, General Tojo, and Shiro Ishii who are all burning in Hell right now.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Oh, my. what a perverted notion your have! What did Hirohito and General Tojo to you Americans? Did they burn 300,000 american children, women, old men and women with 5000 degree heat and radiation alive? Or did they burn alive 100,000 innocent american citizens with incendiary bombs over a night?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Nope, they didn't, because we didn't give them the chance. Japan's war industry support was unfortunatley located in heavily populated civillian areas. That was one of the reasons justifying the bombing of civillian areas of Japan. Also, if Hirohito didn't like his civillian populace being killed, he could have surrendered at any time. As LeMay himself remarked on the subject of war, "you've got to kill people and when you kill enough, they stop fighting".
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Your logic fails you. If a person or a nation did nothing to you, you have no right to accuse him or it of the sin that is evil enough to throw him or it to hell. Your country DID horrendous attacks to non-combatants no matter how your country makes excuse. And based on the same logics the US killed millions of Asians in Vietnam and Iraq. The country's evil foreign policy is backed up by the people who deceive themselves making complacent pretexts.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
As far as there are evil govt and evil people who have no remorse on nuke attacks in the US, continuing to deceive themselves and act as a hero, the country is doomed to destruction. God is alive and punish them in the near future.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Going down this line of thinking, maybe God was punishing Japan through the United States when we dropped the A-bombs.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Hahaha, why did God punish us? We have never done such a thing as dropping Atomic bombs on to babies or throwing napam or cluster bombs onto Iraqi and Vietnamese after creating false accusations like Tonkin Bay incident or Quwait hospital attacks? The Atomic Bombs were sheer works of the evil nature of the US govt people. So your country is doomed to hell.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Regarding Hirohito's surrender, you are standing on a wrong basis that it was right thing to do to press unconditional surrender to Japan. The US has no right to do that. The only country that pressed such a claim to us was the US. "UNCONDITIONAL"??? Insane! Who could easily accept such an outrageous condition? What country would be willing to be occupied by those who say "I will do whatever I want to do." ? The US claims caused us to postpone the answer, which allowed the US to drop nukes.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
According to the documents recently declassified, Roosevelt and Stimson wanted to provoke Japan into war in order to pave the way for the US to go to Europe for fight with Germany. Actually they said, "I want Japan to fire the first shot." And there had been a plan of bombing Japan proper before Pearl Harbor.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
In addition, another declassified CIA document shows that Sasagawa and Kodama who worked for Japanese Navy as gangs in China were under the command of Gen. Yamamoto, a free mason, who has been suspected as a stooge of the US. There is a great possibility that the invasion activities of which the US accused Japan were performed according to the orders of the US. Can you understand? The situations are the same as those in Iraq! They served the US as Bin Laden and Husein who provoked the US citizen
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
So you're saying that Roosevelt organized the bombing of Pearl Harbor through a free mason Japenese general? Let me just entertain that idea for a minute and ask what possible gain could Roosevelt and the Free Masons obtained by purposely getting the US into WWII?
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Study the hsitory harder, friend. Roosevelt and Free Masons got much from the invasion of Japan even today. The US got hegemony in the world creating Army base camps after wars everywhere.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
So Roosevelt and the Free Masons set up the Pearl Harbor attack and went to war against one of the world's major superpowers just so they could establish a few military bases in the Pacific? I'm actually glad I haven't read the history books you read.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
I'm actually glad I haven't read the history books you read???
I am actually glad that I have gained the information not from the American history books but American disclassified documents. Read McCollum memo. Former CIA beuraucrats have never read that?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Not American history books but American newspaper would teach you the true reason for the A-bombs. Curtis LeMay argued that his conventional bombing had already ended the war: Even without the atomic bomb and the Russian entry into the war, Japan would have surrendered in two weeks. (Giles Would Rule Japan A Century, New York Times, 21 September 1945, 4.) Huh? Why American textbooks do not teach you the true reason for the war and A-bombs? Because there are no reasonable answers.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Because there are no reasonable answers, CIA have had to continue to tell lies to citizens to avoid national controversies about the WW2 and Vietnam War, which would make Americans against wars. This means to CIA frustrations of their plans: establishing total domination of CFR or Illuminati over the world through the US military power. Understood? In order to achieve their plans, it is necessary to deceive Americans and turn them to be belligerent. So CIA have needed to conduct inside jobs.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
The Illuminati is supposed to be an international organization. Wouldn't Hitler, Hirohito or Mussolini have been a part of it? Especially Hitler, since he was much more hell-bent on world domination than anyone else in WWII. The Illuminati would have achieved there goals much quicker by having Roosevelt surrender to the Axis powers in WWII.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
No. Illuminati's plan is to use the US millitary power not German power, because the US citizens would not allow the US overt invasion into the world countries to take place. Hence, the US bankers financed Hitler secretly. The same tactics have been used by the US: Create bad guys in the country that they want to take over; Make them do evil things, including invasion; Get permission of starting war with the country from International org; Invade that. Illuminati know hasty activities will fail
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Or if not that, the Illuminati could have just got US leaders to allow the Soviet Union to do whatever it wanted after the war, and not stand in its way. The Soviet style of thought was much more in-line with what the Illuminati would believe anyways.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Illuminati has financed both sides of the groups: Axis and Allies; Communists and Capitalists; and Zionists and anti-Zionists to make money by selling weapons. They hope people are in war with each other to make money. And they are afraid of people being aware of their secret plan of world domination. They know premature activities will make ppl wake up, so they do invasions through the US salvation activities. People have regarded the US occupation as salvation until 911 and Iraq war.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
The McCollum memo and Pearl Harbor are coincidences. Which memo is it that shows that the Free Masons and Roosevelt conspired with Japanese military leaders to plan the Pearl Harbor attack? I guess that one is still Top Secret, lol.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Coincidence??? lol Who will believe that? Roosevelt and Stimson said, "I hope Japan to fire the first shot." They asked McCollum to create plans for provoking Japan into war. And one year after that the same things as written in the memo actually happened. Who will believe that was coincidence?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
After the war between China and Japan, Russia and Japan, we did not occupy the whole land nor establish pro-Japan govt nor created Japanese base camps in there. But the US did them to us in our land, confiscating all the weapons, destroying all the armies based on "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER". And the US even pressed their constitution. What an arrogant nation! The US is the number one invader in the human history. Such an evil country as this should be demolished and crashed into pieces.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
The US has been borrowing enormous amount of money from us: 6 trillion dollars. But it won't refund it to us because it has published national bonds but does not allow them to be sent to Japan. If a dollar value goes down, we will lose the value of the bonds. So we want to change them into money as soon as possible but Americans do not allow. Therefore, essentially, the bonds are and will be just papers for us. Americans have been leading a luxurious life depending on the debt from Japan.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Yeah, imposing a constitution with things like "freedom of speech", the right to a jury trial, and the right to vote for government officials is something that is just soooooooo evil and unjust.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Why are you so ignorant? Why did you skip schools? The Japanese former constitution had "Freedom of speech" and "the right to vote for government officials". And the former constitution had a system of trial. Do you think that all the good and modern things that Japan today has was presents from the US? Huh?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Judging from this American's remarks, we can see how the US ordinary citizens are functionally illiterate. Why? Why are they so ignorant of history? Because the govt wants them to remain stupid. TV continuously is giving them useless imformation and dream something like "The US is the greatest nation in the world. We are the champion in every field of life! We have been giving peace, freedom and prosperity!" Interesting, isnt it?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Just be happy that when the US did finally get Japan to surrender we didn't treat the survivors like Japan treated the survivors of the places it overtook. If anyone in the Far East has a reason to be complaining about WWII atrocities to this day, it would at the least be the Chinese against your nation's atrocities.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Huh? jameswoolsey, Chinese also did horrible things to Japanese survivors during and after the war. Regarding the treatment of survivors, we laugh when the US boasts of its well treatment of POW despite the fact that it forced German POWs to live outdoors without roof, water and food. Many of them died from hunger and cold. And it is funny to see the US boast of humanitarian deeds during the war, because everybody knows that it has been the most aggressive and destructive power in the world.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
How has the US been the most aggressive and destructive power in the world? Do you base that statement on the A-bombs alone or what else? And from what I have read German POWs fared pretty well in general in Allied hands. In some cases German troops would willingly surrender to the US if it looked like they would be overran by Soviet forces and forced to go Soviet POW camps.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
For the research on the novelist James Bacque's accusing Eisenhower of starving a million German POWs to death in 1945 as an act of revenge, in 1990 the Eisenhower Center invited historians to a conference to examine these charges. The conferees concluded that there was widespread mistreatment of German prisoners by Allies in 1945.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Well you're the one that said the US imposed its constitution on Japan. If all that stuff was already in the Japanese constitution then what difference did it make?
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
The US forced us to "Relinquish the right as a sovereing nation to go to war" and totally to be dependent on the US millitary forces for defence. That is, Japan has been forced to be a total slave for the US. The US has been borrowing money from us but it has never refunded: the total amount is 6 trillion dollars. Many politicians who intended to make Japan independent of the US have been murdered or forced to resign. Now the US aims at depriving us of 3 trillion dollars of our bank.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Yep, but we got Hirohito to surrender.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
>Yep, but we got Hirohito to surrender.
Do you feel so happy to force someone to surrender with sheer might and even with the use of Atomic Bombs? And you say, "We won! We burnt Jap babies alive and even evaporated them!! Hahahaha!!!" Huh? Is the US a truly civilized country like MacArthur said, right?
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Well I suppose when we got the atomic bombs, we should have just "tied that hand behind our back" and not used them. Then, we could have tried a ground invasion. If the Japanese were short on firearms and had to fight with knives and swords, we could have then forced our soldiers to fight with knives and swords, just to keep things "fair". C'mon, get real. It is because we used every means at our disposal to win that your country lost and I'm not the one sitting around whining 60 years later.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
You can choose any means to win, including A-bombs to non-combatants? Ha, I understood why your country is using today white phosphorus bombs to burn non-combatants in Iraq. No wonder the world hates the US today. Feel free to boast of your military power and kill Iraqi babies with your state-of-the-art weapons in order to avoid whining after 60 years. huh? Can you guys in the world understand that Americans are barbarians. So they are doomed to destruction. I truly hope the US will be destroyed
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Non-combatant casulaties in Iraq are mostly due to insurgents placing themselves among non-combatants. White phosphorus is used when the military can't get to them with convential high explosive rounds.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
It is useless to distinguish between non-combatants and combatants in street fightings, where combatants cannot help fighting among non-combatants. Judging from what the US did in Japan, such as using A-bombs upon civilians after careful consideration of the time of their going out to school and work, 8:00AM, Americans cannot prove its innocense in battles in Iraq.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
And you should consider what the US did in Viet Nam. It murdered 2.5 million Vietnamese to protect the country from the agression of Communists??? Again the famous pretext of the US: "We actually murdered 300,000 civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki with 5000 degree heat but please understand our intention was to save you Japanese!" To save Vietnamese, you killed brutally 2.5 million of them with incendiary bombs and Agent Orange? Huh? I ask you to stop your salvation activities in the world.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
You can "hope" the US will be destroyed all you want. The only way that is going to happen is if we elect more of the type of people who would applaud your statements about the US, and they demilitarize the country to the point it can't defend itself. But as long as there are enough people in office here who take pride in this nation's military superiority, rather than feel guilty over it, your wish will not come true.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
You should know how Rome perished. The country destroyed itself from within. Bragging is detrimental to you, Americans. No weapons will save you from your destruction.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
A true American hero
Feared by the germans and russians
MontyPython134 2 years ago
This video is all half truths. Thow I find that leftist are the best at propaganda.
DURCO02 2 years ago
He tried to start a nuclear war with China and then Cuba. Try to imagine a world if he had succeeded?
McNamara has sais that Castro had many armed and functional nukes in Cuba ready to use. Thank God for JFK.
exenrontexas 2 years ago
May God damn him forever. He was just another murderer like Hitler and Stalin. Lemay Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians for no acceptable reason.
Even McNamara said had the U.S lost the war Lemay would have been tried as a war criminal.
longlance610 2 years ago
LeMay is a hero. You are not fooling me with your revisionist history. War is won by killing people, not by pacifism. If the U.S had lost the war there would be no trials you idiot. There would not be a U.S. May GOD BLESS Curtis E. LeMay for making and carrying out decisions that almost no one could. No acceptable reason? You are a fool and have no business making comments about matters to which you know nothing about.
dgambino30 2 years ago
for what the japs did at nanking and unit 731, 50 nukes should have been dropped. this video poster is a fucking moron who does not understand the jap mentality of the time.
dubzy81 2 years ago
A true hero of freedom, God bless his soul..
caine7sfg 2 years ago
my dad served in SAC they hated lemays guts....he was a crazy psycho who would have started WW3 over cuba.
cajunhornet60 2 years ago
Thank you for that comment! I've heard one thing or two on LeMay's views on the Cuba crisis... :-/
Just to be said most people here misunderstand my video. I was pointing out that strategic bombing lacks every form of bravery. If a political leader isn't willing to let the infantry fight and die the war probably is not worth fighting at all.
Every just victory comes at a certain price.
Keimzelle 2 years ago
So your just pissed it didnt come at the price of another 500 hundred thousands americans. If it were not for Lemay your grandfather would have been killed.
andy8181818181 2 years ago 2
andy8181818181, no, no, no. without LeMay, another 500 hundred thousands americans would not have died. The best way to avoid casualties was to stop occupation of Japan proper. Why did the US want to do so? Or did the US think that would Japan occupy the US? No way. The US had evaluated the power of Japan and known the fact that Japan had no intention to war with the US. Read the historical record how earnestly Japanese had worked to prevent the war before Pearl H.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
The way of the US to start the war with countries that it wants to occupy is the same: 1. bring up some evil persons such as Bin Laden, Husein, 2. make him do evil things such as invasion, 3. accuse him at international org such as UN. 4. get permission from it to start war, 5. occupy, 6. create US army base there. All that the US has done to date had been well planned out.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
This is a really ignorant statement. Where did you get this from? If you made this up yourself, then you may have the market cornered on stupidity!
dgambino30 2 years ago
a man with real balls. intrepid in his attention to duty and honor. period. fuckin peroid.
saltwaterebel 3 years ago 2
If not for General LeMay, over a million more Japs would have died and probably 100,000 US soldiers.
He should have a monument in DC.
lucabrasi1337 3 years ago 2
Curtis E.Lemay will forever be known as one of the greatest of American patriots having single-handedly done as much as any man could in bringing about the capitulation of Japan in ending WWII
topsalespro 3 years ago
So what do you propose we should've done in the case of Japan? Anything short of what we did would have probably prolonged the war for years and resulted in even more dead on both sides.
smackitupNflipit 3 years ago 2
I agree, the japs were too fanatical and they wouldn't have given up fighting otherwise. LeMay was right.
bolshevikML 3 years ago
Well, I guess the Japanese shouldn't have waged war with the US. There is a price that must be paid for making bad choices. Why don't you make a video about the millions of Chinese, Korean, and Filipino civilians murdered by the Japanese during the war years. Read up on Nanking. LeMay is a true hero. He used the tools available at that time to win, and thus end the war that the Japanese started. Also, the USAAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievment.
Mainsail76 3 years ago
Thanks for your comment, but I disagree on all your points. 1) The civilians are not responsible for what the military ranks decide. The Japanese could not elect their military leaders. 2) Japanese have done atrocities, it is easy to understand that every wrongdoer must be condemned, not regarding if any wrongdoer has done the same but has not been punished for it. Imagine all the cries in a courthouse: "Yes, I murdered! But I know of another one who murdered without punishment, so let me free!"
Keimzelle 3 years ago
3) I know that LeMay was a great military leader by enforcing rigorous training and he himself led many dangerous missions over Germany. I acknowledge that. But for killing Japanese civilians he cannot count as a hero. 4) Again, the Japanese civilians did not start the war. They did not tell the naval fighters to attack Pearl Harbor. The one bearing the weapon in it hand, be it a gun or the yokes of an airplane is the hand, is only responsible for acts of war.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
5) Killing civilians is not and will never be a military objective. The USAAF knew there were civilians in the cities firebombed, and they knew that many of them would not flee (because of Japanese propaganda or other reasons). If you think we should include killing civilians to normal military operations, go to Iraq and let's see how many new recruits Al Qaida will receive.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
I wouldn't expect LeMay to be a hero to a non US citizen, but as an American whose grandfather was fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, he is a hero to me and many others. LeMay used the tools and tactics available at that time in history to defeat an enemy that chose to start a war with the US. Tokyo was the capital of the enemy, and contained war factories as well as government and military offices and HQs. It was a legit military target.
Mainsail76 3 years ago
Final comment from my side... "Also, the USAAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievment." I want to answer this in strong words:
"The Nazis killed Germans yes, Jews were citizen of Germany in concentration camps by the millions. Let's not lessen their achievement."
Is this phrase above justified? No. But I do not see the fundamental difference between killing civilians by well-organized air attacks and killing civilians in well-organized concentration camps.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
You're a DAMNED FOOL to compare the USAAF to the nazis! The Jews didn't attack or start a war like the Japanese did. The Japanese killed MILLIONS of civilians during the war. Did the Jews? The Jews were innocent, the Japanese were not! An entire nation, including it's civilians, are responsible for the actions of that nation. The Japanese civilians allowed their government to do what it did to the Chinese, Koreans, and Filipinos. A population cannot wash their hands of their government.
Mainsail76 3 years ago
The Japanese should honor LeMay. His tactics led to the defeat of their criminal government. This allowed the US to install a democracy in Japan that has brought the Japanese wealth and power. Japan is an economic superpower today because men like LeMay freed them from the Emperor and the military thugs that ruled them. Japan has freedom today because LeMay saved them from themselves.
Mainsail76 3 years ago
No, the Japanese will never honor LeMay. And then, you should not teach other nations what to do and what to think. Did any European country ever invade the U.S. and tell how you should run your country? Did we? No. The only long-lasting progress is the one that is developed by the citizens themselves, without violence, force or war.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
Mainsail, I like to discuss with you. But please remember that I made this video to question the FIREBOMBING of defenseless CIVILIANS and the LACK OF BRAVERY and SOLDIERSHIP of the USAAF bomber pilots.
You wanna be a soldier? Take your rifle and don't be afraid to get injured or even killed. But do not fly at 20'000 ft over Tokyo in your heated and pressurized B-29 bomber and kill women, workers and children indiscriminately.
DEFEATING Japan, however, was a necessary and just thing to do.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
I already explained to you that the population often CANNOT change its fate. How could the population make a revolt and stop its government? Tell me. I will listen. When there's war, you cannot go to the ballot boxes and vote to stop the war. You simply CANNOT.
Your view only despises all the civilian victims of all the wars. Remember that the U.S. did NOT have to suffer civilian casualties in World War II. New York hasn't been firebombed. Japanese cities have been. Just acknowledge that.
Keimzelle 3 years ago
Yeah Yeah, New York City wasn't firebombed but it sure as hell wasn't because the Japenese had any moral reservations over it. They just couldn't get their planes near any US city. But if they could have they would have firebombed every city in America. Also, we've seen in other conflicts how trying to selectively target only military personell and property can lead to defeat. We couldn't get away with it in Vietnam and we sure as hell wouldn't have gotten away with it against Japan.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
"the Japenese had any moral reservations over it"?? What made you think so? Great imagination. Americans have no right to think that they can kill civilians in Japan and Vietnam, because they did nothing against Americans. Japan had made effort to stop the war before Pearl Harbor, but the US embargoed all the resources to Japan, which had depended on the US for 70% of natural resources. Americans should know the fact that the US has been invader from the start to the end in every war.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
See what the US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Acts of demons. Burn alive children, women, old men and women with 5000 degree heat and radiation? What? Is this an act of civilized nation? The pretext is that these bombs were dropped to stop the casualties from increasing on the both sides. BS. Before saying that, ask yourself, "Why did the US want to occupy the Japan proper?" Because of Pearl Harbor? No. Think about the US evil tactics: unconditional surrender. The real intention was invasion.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
"the US embargoed all the resources to Japan" - Yeah because Japan was INVADING other countries in Asia and the US did not want to be seen as a party to it by continuing to supply Japan with resources.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
Why are you so ignorant? Who educated you? The US has been no.1 invading country in the world into Asia, including Japan. It forced us to open the country and established extraterritorial rights, which is a form of invasion. The western countries, including the US, have no right to accuse Japan of invasion. Such an accusation has been laughed at by all the persons who know the history of invasion by the western imperialistic powers.
zzztopzzz 2 years ago
Oh okay, so that's your excuse for Japan bayonetting people to death and performing medical experiments on live prisoners.
jameswoolsey 2 years ago
totally agreed with you
Simonrtao 3 years ago
Exactly!
traderjts 3 years ago
War is hell , and people die. Get over it.
jbird0323 3 years ago
ainsail- there was no USAF in 1945. It wasn't formed until '47. And your comment, "...the USAF killed 200,000 Japanese in 48hrs. Let's not lessen their achievement."- I call that the comment of a sick, twisted, sadistic misanthrope.
stadiumstation5 2 years ago
Oh, David, how much I agree with you that wars are immoral, they kill and destroy everything on their way. To die for the fatheland is not honorable if we are soldiers of the army attacking the innocent, it's
different when we deffend our own country when we are attacked and have no other choice. Even then, dying is not honor, just a sad fact. Nobody wants to die. Why can't people live in peace and prosper being brothers? Did you read my profile? There is something about the subject.
BytomGirl 3 years ago