dude you are one sad motherfucker, you haven't made any legitimate criticisms, it's pretty obvious that you're personally jealous that Tf00t has 5 times more subs than all your little sock puppet accounts combined. And that just feels like sand in your giny and you can't take it no more.
No its about uniting against a great enemy for reason,logic,freedom and all civilised humans that great enemy is islam.
They can burn bibles they can burn the usa flag they can do anithing they want and when someone else burns the quaran then they want to kill us no?
No sir no more understanding for stupidity and hate i am tired off atheists defending islam no tolerance for illogical sheep it is easy stop defending stupidity and start fighting it.
@mycommentsalwaystrue nah hes into way to many captures facts and other peoples videos at least this guy can talk the talkall he needsis a camera and a breath its a lost art realy
The name of the poet is Heinrich Heine, NOT Heinrich Heiner. It was not about the book burnings by the Nazis, but about a Koran burning by christian inquisitors. That was 110 years before the Nazis came along. But anyway, great video. Keep beeing a dick.
„Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.” - Heinrich Heine, "Almansor", 1823
@Coughlan000 It wasn't an effigy, I admit. But it was still burning a representation of Mohammed out of antipathy towards Islam, and because of that I don't think there is enough of a difference between that video and what Terry Jones is now proposing.
@Coughlan000 really? thanks for the info. Did you get that from the official index of Muslim rage provocation? The point is we should not be arguing about what will and won't offend fucking muslims. That is them exerting power over us. If you had balls you wouldn't be so worried about offending them. What this looks like is that you're using this stupid petty issue to launch a personal vendetta against someone who you're jealous of and who just rubs you the wrong way.
@kyebean What the fuck are you talking about? would you go up to a random black guy and call him a nigger, i bet you wouldnt because that might offend him...does he now have some power over you.
I dont really care what this looks like to you because thats nothing to do with the discussion.
@TJGuitarVids In some rare cases people shouldn't be allowed to burn some things even if they own them (not saying that applies to this particular case). For example there was a number of years ago a man who owned several paintings by some of the old world masters. He stated in his will he wanted them burned. His heirs took it to the courts and the courts ruled (rightfully so in my view) that to burn these paintings would a crime and struck down that provision of his will.
How come Dramaf00t can't be content to start sorting through the Muslim creationists in the world and adding them to his series the way he did with the Christian ones?
i think the hdd-burning of virtual copies make a great point in the debate. Religious extremists burning stuff to rile up other extremists, not so much...
I don't always agree with Tfoot, or you either. I do find both perspectives insightful, thought provoking, and interesting. I always try to ask myself, what is the end goal? what is the point? When I do.. I think that Tfoot has a lot of legitimate arguments. Burning books is deplorable... and anti-productive. Tfoot comments on what this action's repercussions mean are valid... and what the reactions mean on the whole are important to the discussion. Ask: for what purpose? what end goal?
I just listened to that interview. To be fair I actually agree with much of what Terry Jones has to say. I also think he deserves a bit more credit due to he's not making it out to be a religious thing e.g. Jesus vs Islam. He was also very direct and stating this isn't about offending Muslims its about human rights and freedoms etc. After listening to that interview I really don't think this guys is doing it to pick fights and cause chaos. But yeah he's still a douche for doing it.
@johnnystorm28 First of all Terry Jones is a douche bag for pulling these stunts. Second of all did you listen to the interview? The impression I got from it is that he's genuine (I could be wrong) about wanting equality for human rights for the world. I agree with him on that the West needs to pressure the U.N. to make these countries adhere to higher standards of human rights. I also agree with him that if he didn't burn the Koran that they would have found another reason to attack.
Ofcourse, they will find a reason to attack you cuz you have made 2 illegal wars killing 150,000+ Iraqi civilians, 30,000+ Afghanis and 1,000,000+ due to war based on lies. This Quran burning was just an excuse for the killing. Read about "The Kill Team" at rollingstones, they are angry due to war and civilian killing by US soldiers. To instigate someone who you know will react harsh with violence is nothing short of stupidity and foolishness. Burning books promotes human rights!!!!
@johnnystorm28 First of all I did not make two illegal wars. Just because I live in the U.S. doesn't make me responsible of what the corporations/government does. Also just so you know corporations control govenrment and the military. Corporations pretty much run the world. I believe those extremists would have came up with a different reason if that dude didn't burn that stupid book. Just like they blame earthquakes on boobs and loose vaginas!
The burning is stupid, yes, but it seems designed to be stupid, as though the aspect of copying the book in the first place for the sole purpose of being destroyed shows the absurdity of it in the first place. As I said there, it does that aspect well as they would essentially be getting upset for the destruction of a copy made to be destroyed.
But I agree, it does not seem the best way to answer the events with more bait.
Terry jones burns the koran to insight violence. Theres a huge difference in terry jones burning a koran to insight violence and me drawing mohammed and taping that to a koran and burning both at the same time on may 20th to stand up for free speech against theotards. Its not a black and white issue richard.
@rellik31486 What? do you think those "theotards" care what your intentions are. Perception is everything im afraid. I made my feelings towards DMD clear in my "How far would you go" video. e And if youre accusing me of seing this in "black and white" then evidently you either havent watched it or didnt listen to that video,
Was terry jones censored? no, has he been arrested? no. so what element of free speech ahs been attacked here?
@Coughlan000 No i dont believe that they give a fuck. I wasnt saying you were against draw mohammed day either. Im simply saying that there is a difference between what that retard jerry jones did and what TF or myself are saying. But if you stop doing something because they got butt hurt and rioted then you ARE attacking free speech, because you have silenced yourself for them. ( i'm not saying you HAVE to go out and burn anything nor am i supporting terry jones' GOAL for burning the koran)
@Coughlan000 btw, honestly, what is the difference between burning the koran and trying to scientificly disprove the koran?? If they don't give a fuck about your intentions and only their perception then wouldnt they just consider both to be blasphemy and still get all fucking butt hurt?? Also TF is burning digital copies to prove a point about how fucking stupid it is to get pissed over burning a fucking book, so you're missing part of the point.
@rellik31486 honestly, what is the difference between burning the koran and trying to scientificly disprove the koran??
Well if there's no diofference why dont we just start burning all the bibles as well, fuck it lets burn all of these theological texts shall we...the difference is effectiveness. One is more effective in convincing people these books arent true than the other.
Thunderf00ts "point" as you point is, imo, redundant to make.
@Coughlan000 Why not? Like TF stated in that video, burning text does not make the information go away because this is the DIGITAL AGE. Inorder to have the same effect you would have to gather up ALL physical and digital copies and destroy them. And when was the last time you sat down with any theist and scientifically disproved their holy book and it converted them? So you method is almost just as much as waste of time. So the difference in effectiveness isnt nearly enough to claim its better.
@rellik31486 "And when was the last time you sat down with any theist and scientifically disproved their holy book and it converted them?"
Me? Im not a fucking scientist. The fact that people who are more scientifically literate tend to be less religious shows that science is a much more effective tool. I cant believe you're claiming that refuting a book has no effect. So nobody has ever deconverted form their religion ever have they? Aree you serious?
@Coughlan000 Thats not what im saying. I'm saying that IN GENERAL if they believe it, they will believe regardless. and u cant refute that. I'm also saying that trying to refute the koran to convert a muslim is ALMOST... see thats the key word u missed the first time... ALMOST just as ineffective as burning a koran to convert. Im not advocating burning the koran as a conversion method, but rather to prove a point that acting like a child will get u no where and we wont be bullied by ur book,
@Coughlan000 The whole point is they say u CAN'T do that, and we say YES WE CAN. We arent (or atleast im not) saying burning the koran will make them convert or rethink their life. All we/ I are/am sayin is that we will not be silence, or censored based on your sillly beliefs. I'll use a bible to start the fire to burn the koran if it makes you happy. then ill piss on the ashes when im done. Not because it will change anything, but because i can. THAT is the/my point. nothing more. nothing less
@rellik31486 but why do you think not being silinced means burning books? Shouldn't you just publish a book to not be silenced? Its a retarded strain of thought that people like the nazi's shared. Should be enough for you people who support the "age of reason" to know right? Just admit you are a xenophobic asshole.
@philateliceun yes the guy who spent his high school career beatin up assholes for threatening muslim students and calling them terrorists is a xenophobic asshole. no faggot u just dont agree with me. So fuck you and ur lack of ability to understand a simple statement. See you dont seem to understand i fucking live in america and i was a fucking marine. thats equals ill do what the fuck i please. and that includes pissing off a bunch delusional assholes.
@rellik31486 Oh you dressed up with a bunch of other guys and shoot some guns, you want a medal for that? I couldn't care less. It still doesn't change the fact that burning books "because you don't want to be silenced" is a retarded strain of thought.
That Heinrich Heine is so darkly prophetic; a converted Christian German of Jewish ancestry whose works were burned when the Nazi's torched the books they felt were a threat to the German people, including/especially anything written by Jews, including Heine's own works. And we know what they did next. And in Almansor, the servant Hassan makes the observation about book burning and what it can forshadow to the epyponymous protagonist whilst they watch a Qur'An burning by the Spanish Inquistion.
Thunderf00t's use of applied logic when it comes to advocating FOR burning books, plan makes my head hurt. Your argument makes a lot more sense Coughlan. It's gotten pretty bad, when I want to agree with TF, but end up completely unsettled by about half of what he says. Any crazed Muslim who kills someone, because his "God" told him too, should be locked up. But that doesn't mean I am inclined to go off and start burning books. That is silly.
I have a hard time with this. Effigies of real living people are already burnt. Yet only when some religious nut-job indicates to do the same to a dead person is there a reaction. I'm against burning effigies, but I'm especially against it when it is actually connected with stuff like "kill the danish" or "behead those that insult X". Threats and violence is the problem not however distasteful the expression.
As for suggesting that TF want to see people die, that's a bit much for my taste.
stop wanking on TF for crying out loud Richard! It is getting boring and you do not make any sense. It is bollocks and the fellow just takes the piss out of you.
@Coughlan000 No you are not here for anyones pleasure but I have to say that your efforts & at vids questions re; TF are getting a bit random and a bore. What the fuck are you on about mate? I just dont get it. Has it occurred to you that people make videos for their own reasons just like you do too. I watch them and they are your worse efforts and there is not discernible point to it what so ever. I have to tell you!
Book burning leads to people burning? Don't remember us burning copies of Mein Kampf in protest of Hitler's beliefs and actions. No we burned Germans! A whole city full called Dresden.
Can you imagine a Neo-Nazi going on a rampage after someone burns Mein Kampf? Seems unlikely. They're not as superstitious.
I sort of agree with you, but I think Thubdef00t's actions have the merit of making one think about what it means to be a book. It's closer to "have you seen this man" than draw Moe day
jones is gonna be on trial,at his turn ,i guess every body is infidel to someone or some ideologies of some sort ,and hes not the first to spit ,,,but i must admit that one of them will have to be stopped ,and if they try to stop the other ,before there own actions and expressions ,they will be judged by something bigger than their gods ,and its right in their faces already ,,,its chaos ,,,
I want to accuse you of using the ol' slippery slope fallacy here. Unfortunately history backs you up, and a good number of the fucking idiots burning- or being impressed by burning-korans are exactly the kind of butt-nuggets that might slip down that lope. Willingly. So I won't.
@MitchofSmeg How many non-Muslims and Sufi Muslims have to die merely because they don't accept the common fairytale regardless whether or not a book has been burned? Why not just accept the common fairytale yo- you might prevent yourselves from being harassed by mobs, you might even spare your daughter from being gangraped merely for being an unbeliever. Terry Jones burned a book, many die, by rejecting the common dogma of the middle east- you also die. Just convert to islam dude!
What exactly is Muhammad meant to be on trail for? Not being Jesus?
I just don't get this Terry Jones fellow. It's a shame, he used to be so funny... and British. At least he's still sporting that mustache he had in the Holy Grail.
I can see his point to some degree. We don't want the Islamic equivalent of hillbillies setting our standards for free speech. Plenty of people got mad abotu flag burning, too, but we fought for and won that right. On the other hand, Terry Jones is basically a troll. Can't the news just stop covering him?
Personally I would expect more innocents to be slaughtered in the Middle East when Terry Jones burns an effigy of Muhammad... And all of the cunts who are cheering him on... I will allocate to each of you a tiny proportion of the blame (the murderers get most, Terry Jones and his church get a lot, everybody else gets an equal share of the leftover .3%)
While you are up in arms about one individual (who you have an unhealthy obsession with) burning a hard drive, this happened: "Sharia Law Punishes 14 Year Old Bangladeshi Rape Victim - Lashing Causes her Death" - look it up.
But that's right. You have your priorities - to tell the world about the terrible actions of a hard drive burner on YouTube.
Thunderf00t, Terry Jones, AND the Islamic extremists all suffer the same disease...they have a socially unhealthy (and irrational) hunger for attention.
I don't see how giving TF and TJ unearned obeisance gets this idiotic mess cleaned up.
I don't like TF all of the time, and what he is doing doesn't make a LOT of sense... however i don't think you understand the reason for him doing it. Meh, whatever. I still like both of you guys.
@MicahtheGreat777 As do I and it pisses me off when they both start flaming each other. Just find a common ground, share your ideas, and get the fuck along, all of you are fucking intelligent people!
I don't really under how I hate "freedom" when I firmly stand by freedom of religion and view the banning of the Burqa in France as ridiculous and nonsensical. And to be banal as everybody else is, I do have muslim friends and they even realize the quaran is just a book; they are more interested in things outside of their religion. So when you discern the burning of a book as the epitome of hatred and bigoty, then you give more and more power to it. Context please?
Any one with sense knows two things 1) The people who killed the UN workers were simply waiting for ANY EXCUSE to Kill other human beings and push there religious extremism 2) Any one who would go to extremist measures like they did are simply weak In there own belief system. There Is always a Terry Johns HE NOT THE PROBLEM the people who kill other Human beings are, simply because there offended he's just separating the Civilized from the Barbarians. How many times a day are you offended?
If Jones wasn't getting so much publicity I'd say fuck it, let him burn his little book, he's an obvious dickhead anyway. But the fact is he has the eyes of the world on him, and the eyes of maniacs who will blame the entire western world for his actions and kill anyone who represents that. It's irresponsible more than anything.
The responsible thing to do would be to attempt to open some kind of a dialogue with said maniacs.
I think a lot of people don't understand that our non belief in the Qu'ran is winding these fuckers up completely on it's own. We don't need to burn copies, we don't need silly stunts, we completely wind fundies up by just ignoring them.
@TheSpankymonkey Our expenditure of time is not a real argument. The argument is why should we be subjugated by terror for ridiculing a silly book? This shouldn't have to exist... oh and speaking of nothing better to do, it seems like these extremists love to spend their time being pissed off and convulsively and impulsively cut people's carotid arteries.
@EnthalpyH - "Our expenditure of time is not a real argument" - Of course it is. Sensationalisation motivates the more stupid element of our own societies just like it does in muslim societies. "some" extreme muslims present so so much a problem yet not enough of a problem for ordinary people to do anything other than burn a few books. If it was sooooo important to the types of people that burn a few books then they would of assembled a much more effective and dignified response by now.
@EnthalpyH - So my earlier reply and i would hope you could also agree with me on this point. The fact that we do not believe their desert fairy tales absolutely (with emphasis on the absolutely) winds these fuckers up. Beyond absolutely, it really gets their goat. Burning their Qu'ran simply justifies their beliefs and empowers them to collect more support to do more of the same. It is only since these extremists have capitalised on the attention they get that this shit has come to a head.
Unlike Europe, in America, we take the principle of freedom of speech very seriously. We have no "hate speech" laws, and most find it outrageous, the stories we hear from the other side of the pond.
Could you imagine Fred Phelps protesting funerals in the UK? I can't. We not only allow it, we smack down the father of a dead soldier for suing over it.
I'll take our freedom over your pansy bowing and scraping to anyone that gets the case of the sniffles over what someone else said.
Except it leaves out a detail or two. You and I weren't hard-selled to dress up as the Phelps and protest funerals to protect free speech. We weren't suckered in by the kind of "false choice" that Tf00t's been peddling. Free Speech here works-we can defend the rights of Nazis, Commies, Phelps, (and yes, Muslims) without being socially pressured to ACT like them.
I must be a retard, since that didn't clear up things at all. Freedom of speech isn't dictated by tf00t, nor did I ever think it was. So no idea what you're prattling on about.
@sheepthing Abrasive much? If you'd understand where I am coming from then you wouldn't be so improperly succinct. What I am trying to say is why should we subjugated by violence and terror to perform certain actions? I say stop being scared of these barbaric assholes and ridicule them like the violent little children they are. P.S. I think Terry Jones is a fundy fucktard as well, but at least he doesn't commit murder...
What you're talking about is collective punishment. Since when do a billion+ people have to see their religion shat upon because of the actions of a select few extremists who don't even represent said religion? That's the issue.
@EnthalpyH Oh, yes, because burning the book the people hold as important and hating the religion the people represnt isn't hating the people. Brilliant.
@gellymatos I'm just suprised how much power this Terry Jones guy is. I consider myself a liberal and I am even suprised how much political correctness is swarming over condemning this guy. HE is not to be fucking blamed here, the ones to be blamed are these goddamn barbarians excising people's heads off over a goddamn fucking retarded book. People should be giving these barabarians any respect, at all...
@EnthalpyH I was being sarcasitic. I was hoping that it was blunt enough to get past the barrier of text lacking tone, but apparently not. Well, allow me to say this. It isn't a political correctness issue. He commited a hateful and ignorant act, regardlless of how some extremists reacted. What they did does nothing eliminate how this act was against muslims. Is he responsible for the dead? No. Is he responsible for acting in ignorance of the religion and the political...(continued)
@gellymatos (continued)... situation? Yes. And last I checked, those that weren't extremists condemned Terry Jones while not respecting the extremists.
@gellymatos I am sorry, but these people need to be more open to the possibility that their holy book will be defiled. They should view themselves as individuals anyways and realize their god and any other deity is a bunch of nonsense to justify their heinous acts. And the burning of a book that I perceive to be fictional is in no way hateful or ignorant to people themselves. That is only how the media portrays it!
@EnthalpyH According to Rebecca Knuth, the author of two books on book burnings and the destruction of libraries, books are the targets because they "are the embodiment of ideas and if you hold EXTREME beliefs you cannot tolerate anything that contradicts those beliefs or is in COMPETITION with them." Well, burning holy books is very easy but refuting them needs real skills. You are an intolerant extremist who cannot tolerate freedom of Muslims to choose their own religion and love their own GOD
You're not going to get the effects you want by burning their book. Lot of ways to help them come to understand what you've stated, but I don't think any of them will consist of doing something that will offend your audience.
BTW, don't expect Muslims to tolerate your lies and slander against the GOD ALMIGHTY and the Prophets right from Adam to Jesus and Mohammed. YOu need to realize that you are an intolerant bigoted extremist freedom hater and you cannot use your lies and distraction to justify heinous acts i.e burning Holy Books which were sent by ALMIGHTY GOD. Burning any kind of book is a heinous act, heinous comes from french "haineux" which means "full of hate" or hatred.
@EnthalpyH You're asking them to be more open about people blatantly and intentionally harming a book of importance? Good luck getting people who's goal is to incite anti-western attitudes by pointing at percieved anti-islamic acts to lay off. And these acts will get no support from those muslims who have no such intentions. And could you explain the thing about "individuals" better? This seems like nonsense to me, but I may understand it with better explaination. And don't ...(continued)
@gellymatos (continued)... get started on how the media is against you. The fact is, your feelings on the book aren't the point. It's not a book of importance to you. The only reason for anyone to burn a book is to burn it because it's important to someone else. Your opinion of it being fictional is subjective and irrelevant to it's feelings to other people. And burning it for the sake of hate and insult on a religion to all of it's adherents. Not just hate towards the religion or extremists.
You've hit on a point that I think needs addressing: there aren't many videos highlighting problems in the Koran itself in the way that there are for the Bible. How many of us Western atheists have actually suffered through reading the thing? I have 2 and I might have glanced at them a few times. Vids like that (w/tfoots sub base) would be far more influential than burning or deleting a book for "Freedom". Sounds like GWBush style propaganda.
@30kbpm regardless of what people invest in symbols and objects they are still just abstractions. People are idiots to get so worked up over abstractions.
And TF proves once more that he is a fucking hypocrite by supposedly promoting "knowledge and understanding" and then going off and burning a book, a symbol of knowledge and understanding. Fuck you ThunderFucktard!
@tedarklordhappypants Well, that's a matter of perspective. He could always argue that the specific book, or that type of book, is a threat to "knowledge and understanding".
@SAsgarters I don't believe that there is any book that is a threat to understanding. Knowledge, maybe, but not understanding. Even books which promote an intolerant worldview can help someone get inside the mind of the person who wrote it.
Also, it appears I'm mistaken. he didn't actually burn a "book" just a hard drive with 40,000 digital copies of the koran on it. What a waste!
Still, literature is literature, regardless of whether it's paper or bits. Book or hard drive burnings are not a threat to the survival of the actual work.
@SAsgarters Good point, but book burning still has a bunch of negative connotations connected with it, one of which is destroying the knowledge contained within the book. Even though merely burning a book won't threaten the survival of the work, the negative connotations of TF's actions make them disgusting.
However, I could be biased and hypersensitive, seeing as I have an unhealthy obsession with books and reading :)
@tedarklordhappypants The connotations are what they are, but people can and do need to get over it and see how pointless and benign the action actually is. How many would care about burning newspapers, which after all record our history in far greater detail than any book could?
It's a pointless action with no consequences per se. I don't see any actual need to get agitated.
I just gotta say something...whether it be a book or a piece of granite, you can still put value on something. People value all sorts of things like money and rare materials, and burning or destroying those valuable things will cause controversy, or at least spark attention. And really, not only is it bad for the environment, it seems childish to just burn something that you don't agree with. Doesn't matter if its a bible, koran, or anything by Richard Dawkins...
I dont think the attack in afganistan had anything to do with the koran burning. it had to do with a occupied people trying to fight an invader. If we were not occupying afganistan, then no doubt they would have heard about the koran burning and burnt and american flag in response or somethng. So they used it as a rallying cry for action, but lets not pretend that it was their main motivation.
Thunderf00t keeps going on about how "well, I'm not going to do nothing." That's fine, but can't you think of something better than burning Korans? It's a false dichotomy.
@owchywawa I know! How about *drum roll*...*making videos about the Qur'an?* Pretty radical idea, right? That's *really* putting your life on the line, there. Of course, he'll have to read it and not just delete/burn them to do that.
@ScienceIsKnowledge I personally would be happy to just see the idiots who committed murder rot in prison for the rest of their lives, but if you personally want to do something you could petition the government for better security at these embassies. Ultimately though, to actually solve the problems in the middle east is going to require some positive propaganda/education. Maybe not going to war so much there would help.
People need to understand...and I think they are starting to, that freedom of speech is not an obligation, but a privilege with responsibilities, just like all our other rights. You can abuse the privilege all you want, but don't expect good results.
But on a side note, has anyone actually even researched this incident at all regarding Afghanistan? All the recent news reports point to the Taliban infiltrating peaceful protests just to take potshots at UN and govt. officials.
@DawahFilms Actually the sad part is the news had painted those of the Taliban as the normal Muslim. Which they are not. We have too much media induced hysteria.
@DawahFilms I don't know it seems like a cop out to me. Like an abortionist pointing at the overpopulation in ghetto's and connecting them to crime or Athiest bringing up Aisha every time Muhammad is mentioned, I mean the list just goes on and on. I mean those buildings didn't burn themselves. The question is how to educate people to the level where this kind of thing doesn't happen. Might as well blame the sky for not having rained that day. Finding problems is easy solutions require...........
@DawahFilms Seems so but Its not a cop out by any means. Just sort of distracts from actually getting any thing done when one focuses on every little thing instead of first bringing in the idea for a solution that could be brought to the table. Once something like that is done then you can address all the details knowing what your goal is. Trying to work from the ground up with no plan in mind is counter productive. The media focuses on those details though so...it is what it is
@Unworshipediety "bringing in the idea for a solution that could be brought to the table."
The authors of the USA contract had a great idea, which was watered down to mean just one thing by an overly biased scotus, "no state sponsored church". The first thought of our bill of rights is a plural statement meaning there are many ways to show respect for a religious establishment, tax free being the gold mine of ill ideas and land theives.
@Unworshipediety The extremists in Afghanistan were searching for an excuse to attack any alien presence in Afghanistan in retaliation to the war and war crimes. This Jones incident gave them a Christmas party and also support of a lot of Muslims who were offended by this incident. What can you expect from a country where combined literacy rate is less than 30% and I just looked at Human Development Report 10, Afghanistan is at no.155,it is the most least developed nation outside of Africa(con)
(cont)..Moreover, it is not that Afghans are strict followers of Islam(The Arabs may be), to get so offended tending them to kill innocent. Has any kind of such incident happened in any other Muslim country or an Arab country?? Afghanistan has only <1.8% of World's Muslim pop and those rioters were few thousands. Yet some Islamophobes take them as representatives of Islam and their actions as sanctioned by the whole Ummah. To instigate or offend someone who you know will react (cont)..
@johnnystorm28 Um i have eyes. You don't need to read a book or wikipedia to gather that perhaps more was going on than meets the eye. The Basics were...book burned...people died. You can feel free to learn as much as you want to about that to your hearts content I'll leave you to it. I'm concerned with a Solution not regurgitating information everyone already knows if they have even remotely listened to the news about the matter for more than 5 minutes.
The Solution is that, Uncle Sam needs to get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan(Whole Mid-East). Uncle sam seems to like conducting illegal wars and committing mass civilian murders(Iraq 150,000+ by American soldiers, 1,000,00+ due to war and 30,000+ Afghani civilians). Uncle Sam also likes to loot resources. I spoke with an Afghani and he said that the protests were mainly due to war and civilian deaths by American troops. Read about "The Kill Team" at rollingstones.
@johnnystorm28 "The Kill Team" was a fun article I glanced through it some. I'll give it a read though & see how interesting it remains thx. I'm sure it'll highlight your "solution" some more. Though large countries need resources that are important to sustain their way of life or if you would call it their empire. Yet its the same with empires, The weak get taken, the strong get stronger. I don't see the US getting out just moving from place to place within the Mid-East like locust.
Have you looked at the Kill Team Photos which were distributed among soldiers as a war souvenir. If that is fun, then I bet you that I will have a lot of fun when the sword of Islam reaches America.
dude you are one sad motherfucker, you haven't made any legitimate criticisms, it's pretty obvious that you're personally jealous that Tf00t has 5 times more subs than all your little sock puppet accounts combined. And that just feels like sand in your giny and you can't take it no more.
kyebean 7 months ago
let's promote compassion towards eachother i have the ultimate guru in mind click my name for more
tabaripalmer 8 months ago
Did you really just Godwin?
Nulono 8 months ago
@Nulono no, i was making a valid comparison. godwins law isnt infallable u know?
Coughlan000 8 months ago
No its about uniting against a great enemy for reason,logic,freedom and all civilised humans that great enemy is islam.
They can burn bibles they can burn the usa flag they can do anithing they want and when someone else burns the quaran then they want to kill us no?
No sir no more understanding for stupidity and hate i am tired off atheists defending islam no tolerance for illogical sheep it is easy stop defending stupidity and start fighting it.
MrAtheistpower 9 months ago
epic win for the small guy
T0RPIE 9 months ago
guardian . co . uk / world / 2011 / apr / 18 / andres-serrano-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters
Should we start burning bibles now?
Christ724 10 months ago
@Christ724 Of course add the w w w and the (dot) and get rid of spaces
Christ724 10 months ago
I like thunderfoot
mycommentsalwaystrue 10 months ago
@mycommentsalwaystrue nah hes into way to many captures facts and other peoples videos at least this guy can talk the talkall he needsis a camera and a breath its a lost art realy
T0RPIE 9 months ago
The name of the poet is Heinrich Heine, NOT Heinrich Heiner. It was not about the book burnings by the Nazis, but about a Koran burning by christian inquisitors. That was 110 years before the Nazis came along. But anyway, great video. Keep beeing a dick.
„Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen.” - Heinrich Heine, "Almansor", 1823
Johannesmania 10 months ago
@Johannesmania i know that it wasnt about the nazis but my point was it was ironic because he was german and thats what happened in germany
Coughlan000 10 months ago 4
Thunderf00t already burned Mohammed last year -- in his video "Burn Mohammed Burn." So he already pre-empted Terry Jones.
InfidelAvenger 10 months ago
@InfidelAvenger no he burnt a flag with an image of mihammad, thats not the same as building an effigy
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 It wasn't an effigy, I admit. But it was still burning a representation of Mohammed out of antipathy towards Islam, and because of that I don't think there is enough of a difference between that video and what Terry Jones is now proposing.
InfidelAvenger 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 really? thanks for the info. Did you get that from the official index of Muslim rage provocation? The point is we should not be arguing about what will and won't offend fucking muslims. That is them exerting power over us. If you had balls you wouldn't be so worried about offending them. What this looks like is that you're using this stupid petty issue to launch a personal vendetta against someone who you're jealous of and who just rubs you the wrong way.
kyebean 7 months ago
@kyebean What the fuck are you talking about? would you go up to a random black guy and call him a nigger, i bet you wouldnt because that might offend him...does he now have some power over you.
I dont really care what this looks like to you because thats nothing to do with the discussion.
Stick to the topic or fuck off
Coughlan000 7 months ago
I don't care what their reasons are, I think people should be allowed to burn things that are their property.
As long as it isn't going to burn a person, that is.
TJGuitarVids 10 months ago
@TJGuitarVids as do i but thats not the discussion we're having here
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@TJGuitarVids Shouldn't be allowed to burn a house down or burn down a small woodland if they own it.
mikerules999 10 months ago
@TJGuitarVids In some rare cases people shouldn't be allowed to burn some things even if they own them (not saying that applies to this particular case). For example there was a number of years ago a man who owned several paintings by some of the old world masters. He stated in his will he wanted them burned. His heirs took it to the courts and the courts ruled (rightfully so in my view) that to burn these paintings would a crime and struck down that provision of his will.
xexixk 9 months ago
How come Dramaf00t can't be content to start sorting through the Muslim creationists in the world and adding them to his series the way he did with the Christian ones?
lazyperfectionist1 10 months ago
@lazyperfectionist1
I think it's partly because many Muslim Creationists preach in a different language.
June28July 10 months ago
i think the hdd-burning of virtual copies make a great point in the debate. Religious extremists burning stuff to rile up other extremists, not so much...
Lutzifer31337 10 months ago
Terry Jones needs to have the living shit beaten out of him!
friendmouse 10 months ago
fart in a bottle got me.
Zito773 10 months ago
It's ironic that TF is trying to refute what he consideres an outdated barbaric religion by using an outdated barbaric method like book-burning.
hampusheh 10 months ago
I don't always agree with Tfoot, or you either. I do find both perspectives insightful, thought provoking, and interesting. I always try to ask myself, what is the end goal? what is the point? When I do.. I think that Tfoot has a lot of legitimate arguments. Burning books is deplorable... and anti-productive. Tfoot comments on what this action's repercussions mean are valid... and what the reactions mean on the whole are important to the discussion. Ask: for what purpose? what end goal?
brianthemayan 10 months ago
Nazi's burned books as some symbolic gesture to "free us from the sheckels of our opressors", that enough for me to know.
philateliceun 10 months ago
Yeah, burning books in protest of murders will lead to us to murdering.
Wait... what?
Hez0 10 months ago 5
@Hez0 That wasnt really my point. My question is how far down are we willing to let these people drag before we stop
Coughlan000 10 months ago
I'm surprised a member of Monty Python's Flying Circus would engage in such a stupid act... what? ohhh, not that Terry Jones? Good! My bad.
StevenErnest 10 months ago
I just listened to that interview. To be fair I actually agree with much of what Terry Jones has to say. I also think he deserves a bit more credit due to he's not making it out to be a religious thing e.g. Jesus vs Islam. He was also very direct and stating this isn't about offending Muslims its about human rights and freedoms etc. After listening to that interview I really don't think this guys is doing it to pick fights and cause chaos. But yeah he's still a douche for doing it.
youngn420 10 months ago
@youngn420
How do you support human rights and freedom by inciting violence and burning books??!!
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@johnnystorm28 First of all Terry Jones is a douche bag for pulling these stunts. Second of all did you listen to the interview? The impression I got from it is that he's genuine (I could be wrong) about wanting equality for human rights for the world. I agree with him on that the West needs to pressure the U.N. to make these countries adhere to higher standards of human rights. I also agree with him that if he didn't burn the Koran that they would have found another reason to attack.
youngn420 10 months ago
@youngn420
Ofcourse, they will find a reason to attack you cuz you have made 2 illegal wars killing 150,000+ Iraqi civilians, 30,000+ Afghanis and 1,000,000+ due to war based on lies. This Quran burning was just an excuse for the killing. Read about "The Kill Team" at rollingstones, they are angry due to war and civilian killing by US soldiers. To instigate someone who you know will react harsh with violence is nothing short of stupidity and foolishness. Burning books promotes human rights!!!!
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@johnnystorm28 First of all I did not make two illegal wars. Just because I live in the U.S. doesn't make me responsible of what the corporations/government does. Also just so you know corporations control govenrment and the military. Corporations pretty much run the world. I believe those extremists would have came up with a different reason if that dude didn't burn that stupid book. Just like they blame earthquakes on boobs and loose vaginas!
youngn420 10 months ago
Just read the Terry Jones interview in the link. Wow, that fucker's insane.
deepashtray 10 months ago
Well said.
LinkMEP 10 months ago
And it begins...
The burning is stupid, yes, but it seems designed to be stupid, as though the aspect of copying the book in the first place for the sole purpose of being destroyed shows the absurdity of it in the first place. As I said there, it does that aspect well as they would essentially be getting upset for the destruction of a copy made to be destroyed.
But I agree, it does not seem the best way to answer the events with more bait.
dragonmatt5 10 months ago
Terry jones burns the koran to insight violence. Theres a huge difference in terry jones burning a koran to insight violence and me drawing mohammed and taping that to a koran and burning both at the same time on may 20th to stand up for free speech against theotards. Its not a black and white issue richard.
rellik31486 10 months ago
@rellik31486 What? do you think those "theotards" care what your intentions are. Perception is everything im afraid. I made my feelings towards DMD clear in my "How far would you go" video. e And if youre accusing me of seing this in "black and white" then evidently you either havent watched it or didnt listen to that video,
Was terry jones censored? no, has he been arrested? no. so what element of free speech ahs been attacked here?
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 No i dont believe that they give a fuck. I wasnt saying you were against draw mohammed day either. Im simply saying that there is a difference between what that retard jerry jones did and what TF or myself are saying. But if you stop doing something because they got butt hurt and rioted then you ARE attacking free speech, because you have silenced yourself for them. ( i'm not saying you HAVE to go out and burn anything nor am i supporting terry jones' GOAL for burning the koran)
rellik31486 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 btw, honestly, what is the difference between burning the koran and trying to scientificly disprove the koran?? If they don't give a fuck about your intentions and only their perception then wouldnt they just consider both to be blasphemy and still get all fucking butt hurt?? Also TF is burning digital copies to prove a point about how fucking stupid it is to get pissed over burning a fucking book, so you're missing part of the point.
rellik31486 10 months ago
@rellik31486 honestly, what is the difference between burning the koran and trying to scientificly disprove the koran??
Well if there's no diofference why dont we just start burning all the bibles as well, fuck it lets burn all of these theological texts shall we...the difference is effectiveness. One is more effective in convincing people these books arent true than the other.
Thunderf00ts "point" as you point is, imo, redundant to make.
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 Why not? Like TF stated in that video, burning text does not make the information go away because this is the DIGITAL AGE. Inorder to have the same effect you would have to gather up ALL physical and digital copies and destroy them. And when was the last time you sat down with any theist and scientifically disproved their holy book and it converted them? So you method is almost just as much as waste of time. So the difference in effectiveness isnt nearly enough to claim its better.
rellik31486 10 months ago
@rellik31486 "And when was the last time you sat down with any theist and scientifically disproved their holy book and it converted them?"
Me? Im not a fucking scientist. The fact that people who are more scientifically literate tend to be less religious shows that science is a much more effective tool. I cant believe you're claiming that refuting a book has no effect. So nobody has ever deconverted form their religion ever have they? Aree you serious?
Coughlan000 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 Thats not what im saying. I'm saying that IN GENERAL if they believe it, they will believe regardless. and u cant refute that. I'm also saying that trying to refute the koran to convert a muslim is ALMOST... see thats the key word u missed the first time... ALMOST just as ineffective as burning a koran to convert. Im not advocating burning the koran as a conversion method, but rather to prove a point that acting like a child will get u no where and we wont be bullied by ur book,
rellik31486 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 now its been good chatin with you Richard, even if we disagree on this, but i've gotta head out for now. Look forward to your next vid.
rellik31486 10 months ago
@Coughlan000 The whole point is they say u CAN'T do that, and we say YES WE CAN. We arent (or atleast im not) saying burning the koran will make them convert or rethink their life. All we/ I are/am sayin is that we will not be silence, or censored based on your sillly beliefs. I'll use a bible to start the fire to burn the koran if it makes you happy. then ill piss on the ashes when im done. Not because it will change anything, but because i can. THAT is the/my point. nothing more. nothing less
rellik31486 10 months ago
@rellik31486 but why do you think not being silinced means burning books? Shouldn't you just publish a book to not be silenced? Its a retarded strain of thought that people like the nazi's shared. Should be enough for you people who support the "age of reason" to know right? Just admit you are a xenophobic asshole.
philateliceun 10 months ago
@philateliceun yes the guy who spent his high school career beatin up assholes for threatening muslim students and calling them terrorists is a xenophobic asshole. no faggot u just dont agree with me. So fuck you and ur lack of ability to understand a simple statement. See you dont seem to understand i fucking live in america and i was a fucking marine. thats equals ill do what the fuck i please. and that includes pissing off a bunch delusional assholes.
rellik31486 10 months ago
@rellik31486 Oh you dressed up with a bunch of other guys and shoot some guns, you want a medal for that? I couldn't care less. It still doesn't change the fact that burning books "because you don't want to be silenced" is a retarded strain of thought.
philateliceun 10 months ago
That Heinrich Heine is so darkly prophetic; a converted Christian German of Jewish ancestry whose works were burned when the Nazi's torched the books they felt were a threat to the German people, including/especially anything written by Jews, including Heine's own works. And we know what they did next. And in Almansor, the servant Hassan makes the observation about book burning and what it can forshadow to the epyponymous protagonist whilst they watch a Qur'An burning by the Spanish Inquistion.
Teloculos 10 months ago
Thunderf00t's use of applied logic when it comes to advocating FOR burning books, plan makes my head hurt. Your argument makes a lot more sense Coughlan. It's gotten pretty bad, when I want to agree with TF, but end up completely unsettled by about half of what he says. Any crazed Muslim who kills someone, because his "God" told him too, should be locked up. But that doesn't mean I am inclined to go off and start burning books. That is silly.
SnowWalkerPrime 10 months ago 4
I have a hard time with this. Effigies of real living people are already burnt. Yet only when some religious nut-job indicates to do the same to a dead person is there a reaction. I'm against burning effigies, but I'm especially against it when it is actually connected with stuff like "kill the danish" or "behead those that insult X". Threats and violence is the problem not however distasteful the expression.
As for suggesting that TF want to see people die, that's a bit much for my taste.
socrates856 10 months ago
"how far will we go?"
As far as it takes to make Muslims, the media, you and TF consider such events not worthy of a response or a comment!
ubermenschification 10 months ago
Yawn
duracell777 10 months ago
I remember the blasphemy in the 80's when fundies burned the Holy The Number of The Beast by Iron Maiden (pbuh).
They gotta burn for that I tell you!
Neltharions 10 months ago
stop wanking on TF for crying out loud Richard! It is getting boring and you do not make any sense. It is bollocks and the fellow just takes the piss out of you.
tricklessmagic 10 months ago
@tricklessmagic " It is getting boring " Sorry but im not here for your entertainment mate
"you do not make any sense." Really, i think it makes perfect sense to ask these questions and point out these issues
" It is bollocks" Do you care to explain how or are you just gonna say "its bollocks" and expect me to care
"the fellow just takes the piss out of you." As i do with him and so what?
Coughlan000 10 months ago 2
@Coughlan000 No you are not here for anyones pleasure but I have to say that your efforts & at vids questions re; TF are getting a bit random and a bore. What the fuck are you on about mate? I just dont get it. Has it occurred to you that people make videos for their own reasons just like you do too. I watch them and they are your worse efforts and there is not discernible point to it what so ever. I have to tell you!
tricklessmagic 10 months ago
Lets just burn all the books in the world...problem solved.
MikaelDryden 10 months ago 3
Give me 100 to 1 and I'll bet on innocent.
Turkxi 10 months ago
Book burning leads to people burning? Don't remember us burning copies of Mein Kampf in protest of Hitler's beliefs and actions. No we burned Germans! A whole city full called Dresden.
Can you imagine a Neo-Nazi going on a rampage after someone burns Mein Kampf? Seems unlikely. They're not as superstitious.
I sort of agree with you, but I think Thubdef00t's actions have the merit of making one think about what it means to be a book. It's closer to "have you seen this man" than draw Moe day
zarkoff45 10 months ago
jones is gonna be on trial,at his turn ,i guess every body is infidel to someone or some ideologies of some sort ,and hes not the first to spit ,,,but i must admit that one of them will have to be stopped ,and if they try to stop the other ,before there own actions and expressions ,they will be judged by something bigger than their gods ,and its right in their faces already ,,,its chaos ,,,
papaspride101 10 months ago
Goddamn people are insane, we seriously need to evolve, soon.
adrenacrumb 10 months ago
Thats all we need, someone else rationally refuting a holy text. Because that works doesnt it?
If only someone had already done that then we wouldnt have large swathes of the islamic populations going insane over pathetic shit.
Aspartame69 10 months ago
I want to accuse you of using the ol' slippery slope fallacy here. Unfortunately history backs you up, and a good number of the fucking idiots burning- or being impressed by burning-korans are exactly the kind of butt-nuggets that might slip down that lope. Willingly. So I won't.
arcanics1971 10 months ago
How many UN Gurkhas have to die to get people like Terry Jones to realise that they are getting people killed without regret?
MitchofSmeg 10 months ago
@MitchofSmeg How many non-Muslims and Sufi Muslims have to die merely because they don't accept the common fairytale regardless whether or not a book has been burned? Why not just accept the common fairytale yo- you might prevent yourselves from being harassed by mobs, you might even spare your daughter from being gangraped merely for being an unbeliever. Terry Jones burned a book, many die, by rejecting the common dogma of the middle east- you also die. Just convert to islam dude!
TurboDally 10 months ago
"Read the Quran then rationally and scientifically refute it"
HEAR HIM, HEAR HIM!
TheRationalizer 10 months ago
What exactly is Muhammad meant to be on trail for? Not being Jesus?
I just don't get this Terry Jones fellow. It's a shame, he used to be so funny... and British. At least he's still sporting that mustache he had in the Holy Grail.
jussts 10 months ago
@jussts Was thinking the same, its a shame when a great comedians career comes to this
Salment 10 months ago
What A bunch of LOSERS. There, that's all the attention those two morons are gonna get out of this Muslim.
0Idskool 10 months ago
I can see his point to some degree. We don't want the Islamic equivalent of hillbillies setting our standards for free speech. Plenty of people got mad abotu flag burning, too, but we fought for and won that right. On the other hand, Terry Jones is basically a troll. Can't the news just stop covering him?
AceOfSevens 10 months ago
Personally I would expect more innocents to be slaughtered in the Middle East when Terry Jones burns an effigy of Muhammad... And all of the cunts who are cheering him on... I will allocate to each of you a tiny proportion of the blame (the murderers get most, Terry Jones and his church get a lot, everybody else gets an equal share of the leftover .3%)
OukaKisa 10 months ago
While you are up in arms about one individual (who you have an unhealthy obsession with) burning a hard drive, this happened: "Sharia Law Punishes 14 Year Old Bangladeshi Rape Victim - Lashing Causes her Death" - look it up.
But that's right. You have your priorities - to tell the world about the terrible actions of a hard drive burner on YouTube.
Rationalific 10 months ago
@Rationalific
DMD will fix all that?
And,,,,,how exactly?
geodgereturns 10 months ago
Thunderf00t, Terry Jones, AND the Islamic extremists all suffer the same disease...they have a socially unhealthy (and irrational) hunger for attention.
I don't see how giving TF and TJ unearned obeisance gets this idiotic mess cleaned up.
geodgereturns 10 months ago
I don't like TF all of the time, and what he is doing doesn't make a LOT of sense... however i don't think you understand the reason for him doing it. Meh, whatever. I still like both of you guys.
MicahtheGreat777 10 months ago 20
@MicahtheGreat777 I do undertsand his reasons and they are stupid (imo)
Coughlan000 10 months ago 3
@MicahtheGreat777
I think the only reason he's doing it is for attention, because the reasons he does give are a joke
chaoszieg 10 months ago
@MicahtheGreat777 As do I and it pisses me off when they both start flaming each other. Just find a common ground, share your ideas, and get the fuck along, all of you are fucking intelligent people!
mikerules999 10 months ago
I don't really under how I hate "freedom" when I firmly stand by freedom of religion and view the banning of the Burqa in France as ridiculous and nonsensical. And to be banal as everybody else is, I do have muslim friends and they even realize the quaran is just a book; they are more interested in things outside of their religion. So when you discern the burning of a book as the epitome of hatred and bigoty, then you give more and more power to it. Context please?
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
Funny, I shot a video on friday saying much of the same things I just haven't had time to upload it. Spot on, man.
whistlingdust 10 months ago
Any one with sense knows two things 1) The people who killed the UN workers were simply waiting for ANY EXCUSE to Kill other human beings and push there religious extremism 2) Any one who would go to extremist measures like they did are simply weak In there own belief system. There Is always a Terry Johns HE NOT THE PROBLEM the people who kill other Human beings are, simply because there offended he's just separating the Civilized from the Barbarians. How many times a day are you offended?
codexbiohazard 10 months ago
... How do you apologise to a book?
rhettboy 10 months ago
I called his latest effort, Operation Empty Gesture
SiriusMined 10 months ago
If Jones wasn't getting so much publicity I'd say fuck it, let him burn his little book, he's an obvious dickhead anyway. But the fact is he has the eyes of the world on him, and the eyes of maniacs who will blame the entire western world for his actions and kill anyone who represents that. It's irresponsible more than anything.
The responsible thing to do would be to attempt to open some kind of a dialogue with said maniacs.
alexvegas 10 months ago
I think a lot of people don't understand that our non belief in the Qu'ran is winding these fuckers up completely on it's own. We don't need to burn copies, we don't need silly stunts, we completely wind fundies up by just ignoring them.
TheSpankymonkey 10 months ago
@TheSpankymonkey Our expenditure of time is not a real argument. The argument is why should we be subjugated by terror for ridiculing a silly book? This shouldn't have to exist... oh and speaking of nothing better to do, it seems like these extremists love to spend their time being pissed off and convulsively and impulsively cut people's carotid arteries.
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH - "Our expenditure of time is not a real argument" - Of course it is. Sensationalisation motivates the more stupid element of our own societies just like it does in muslim societies. "some" extreme muslims present so so much a problem yet not enough of a problem for ordinary people to do anything other than burn a few books. If it was sooooo important to the types of people that burn a few books then they would of assembled a much more effective and dignified response by now.
TheSpankymonkey 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH - So my earlier reply and i would hope you could also agree with me on this point. The fact that we do not believe their desert fairy tales absolutely (with emphasis on the absolutely) winds these fuckers up. Beyond absolutely, it really gets their goat. Burning their Qu'ran simply justifies their beliefs and empowers them to collect more support to do more of the same. It is only since these extremists have capitalised on the attention they get that this shit has come to a head.
TheSpankymonkey 10 months ago
Unlike Europe, in America, we take the principle of freedom of speech very seriously. We have no "hate speech" laws, and most find it outrageous, the stories we hear from the other side of the pond.
Could you imagine Fred Phelps protesting funerals in the UK? I can't. We not only allow it, we smack down the father of a dead soldier for suing over it.
I'll take our freedom over your pansy bowing and scraping to anyone that gets the case of the sniffles over what someone else said.
unclexbob 10 months ago
@unclexbob
Your logic is flawless.
Except it leaves out a detail or two. You and I weren't hard-selled to dress up as the Phelps and protest funerals to protect free speech. We weren't suckered in by the kind of "false choice" that Tf00t's been peddling. Free Speech here works-we can defend the rights of Nazis, Commies, Phelps, (and yes, Muslims) without being socially pressured to ACT like them.
geodgereturns 10 months ago
@geodgereturns Who is being pressured to do what? Does it involve arm twisting?
unclexbob 10 months ago
@unclexbob
You retard.
This isn't Team UK vs Team USA. It's Team My-Own-Reasoning-Will-Do-ThankyouVeryMuch vs TF00t's attempted hijacking via the "freedom of speech" meme.
geodgereturns 10 months ago
I must be a retard, since that didn't clear up things at all. Freedom of speech isn't dictated by tf00t, nor did I ever think it was. So no idea what you're prattling on about.
unclexbob 10 months ago
Burning of the Quaran = Hatred of the religion and the extremists, not the entire people persay.
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH
Are you really that dumb?
sheepthing 10 months ago
@sheepthing Abrasive much? If you'd understand where I am coming from then you wouldn't be so improperly succinct. What I am trying to say is why should we subjugated by violence and terror to perform certain actions? I say stop being scared of these barbaric assholes and ridicule them like the violent little children they are. P.S. I think Terry Jones is a fundy fucktard as well, but at least he doesn't commit murder...
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH
What you're talking about is collective punishment. Since when do a billion+ people have to see their religion shat upon because of the actions of a select few extremists who don't even represent said religion? That's the issue.
sheepthing 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH Oh, yes, because burning the book the people hold as important and hating the religion the people represnt isn't hating the people. Brilliant.
gellymatos 10 months ago
@gellymatos I'm just suprised how much power this Terry Jones guy is. I consider myself a liberal and I am even suprised how much political correctness is swarming over condemning this guy. HE is not to be fucking blamed here, the ones to be blamed are these goddamn barbarians excising people's heads off over a goddamn fucking retarded book. People should be giving these barabarians any respect, at all...
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH Shouldn't* :\
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH I was being sarcasitic. I was hoping that it was blunt enough to get past the barrier of text lacking tone, but apparently not. Well, allow me to say this. It isn't a political correctness issue. He commited a hateful and ignorant act, regardlless of how some extremists reacted. What they did does nothing eliminate how this act was against muslims. Is he responsible for the dead? No. Is he responsible for acting in ignorance of the religion and the political...(continued)
gellymatos 10 months ago
@gellymatos (continued)... situation? Yes. And last I checked, those that weren't extremists condemned Terry Jones while not respecting the extremists.
gellymatos 10 months ago
@gellymatos I am sorry, but these people need to be more open to the possibility that their holy book will be defiled. They should view themselves as individuals anyways and realize their god and any other deity is a bunch of nonsense to justify their heinous acts. And the burning of a book that I perceive to be fictional is in no way hateful or ignorant to people themselves. That is only how the media portrays it!
EnthalpyH 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH According to Rebecca Knuth, the author of two books on book burnings and the destruction of libraries, books are the targets because they "are the embodiment of ideas and if you hold EXTREME beliefs you cannot tolerate anything that contradicts those beliefs or is in COMPETITION with them." Well, burning holy books is very easy but refuting them needs real skills. You are an intolerant extremist who cannot tolerate freedom of Muslims to choose their own religion and love their own GOD
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH
You're not going to get the effects you want by burning their book. Lot of ways to help them come to understand what you've stated, but I don't think any of them will consist of doing something that will offend your audience.
ScissorHand26 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH
BTW, don't expect Muslims to tolerate your lies and slander against the GOD ALMIGHTY and the Prophets right from Adam to Jesus and Mohammed. YOu need to realize that you are an intolerant bigoted extremist freedom hater and you cannot use your lies and distraction to justify heinous acts i.e burning Holy Books which were sent by ALMIGHTY GOD. Burning any kind of book is a heinous act, heinous comes from french "haineux" which means "full of hate" or hatred.
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH You're asking them to be more open about people blatantly and intentionally harming a book of importance? Good luck getting people who's goal is to incite anti-western attitudes by pointing at percieved anti-islamic acts to lay off. And these acts will get no support from those muslims who have no such intentions. And could you explain the thing about "individuals" better? This seems like nonsense to me, but I may understand it with better explaination. And don't ...(continued)
gellymatos 10 months ago
@gellymatos (continued)... get started on how the media is against you. The fact is, your feelings on the book aren't the point. It's not a book of importance to you. The only reason for anyone to burn a book is to burn it because it's important to someone else. Your opinion of it being fictional is subjective and irrelevant to it's feelings to other people. And burning it for the sake of hate and insult on a religion to all of it's adherents. Not just hate towards the religion or extremists.
gellymatos 10 months ago
@EnthalpyH Actually, the burning of the Qu'ran = I am too stupid to think of anything more productive to do.
TheSpankymonkey 10 months ago
Hey, I like watching TF light farts in a bottle!
superpoopoop 10 months ago 27
You've hit on a point that I think needs addressing: there aren't many videos highlighting problems in the Koran itself in the way that there are for the Bible. How many of us Western atheists have actually suffered through reading the thing? I have 2 and I might have glanced at them a few times. Vids like that (w/tfoots sub base) would be far more influential than burning or deleting a book for "Freedom". Sounds like GWBush style propaganda.
IamLiterallyRetarded 10 months ago
I wholly agree with your sentiment, but this is a real slippery slope argument :/
randomusername36 10 months ago
My response to TF's new video: Anyone who thinks burning books helps free speech, rather than harming it, needs to read some history books.
notthecheatr 10 months ago
why do we give him any attention to jones is a small time minister??
johnnyd101 10 months ago
@30kbpm regardless of what people invest in symbols and objects they are still just abstractions. People are idiots to get so worked up over abstractions.
gratex 10 months ago
EXCELLENT.
fulishproductions 10 months ago
And TF proves once more that he is a fucking hypocrite by supposedly promoting "knowledge and understanding" and then going off and burning a book, a symbol of knowledge and understanding. Fuck you ThunderFucktard!
tedarklordhappypants 10 months ago
@tedarklordhappypants Well, that's a matter of perspective. He could always argue that the specific book, or that type of book, is a threat to "knowledge and understanding".
SAsgarters 10 months ago
@SAsgarters I don't believe that there is any book that is a threat to understanding. Knowledge, maybe, but not understanding. Even books which promote an intolerant worldview can help someone get inside the mind of the person who wrote it.
Also, it appears I'm mistaken. he didn't actually burn a "book" just a hard drive with 40,000 digital copies of the koran on it. What a waste!
tedarklordhappypants 10 months ago
@tedarklordhappypants I agree.
Still, literature is literature, regardless of whether it's paper or bits. Book or hard drive burnings are not a threat to the survival of the actual work.
SAsgarters 10 months ago
@SAsgarters Good point, but book burning still has a bunch of negative connotations connected with it, one of which is destroying the knowledge contained within the book. Even though merely burning a book won't threaten the survival of the work, the negative connotations of TF's actions make them disgusting.
However, I could be biased and hypersensitive, seeing as I have an unhealthy obsession with books and reading :)
tedarklordhappypants 10 months ago
@tedarklordhappypants The connotations are what they are, but people can and do need to get over it and see how pointless and benign the action actually is. How many would care about burning newspapers, which after all record our history in far greater detail than any book could?
It's a pointless action with no consequences per se. I don't see any actual need to get agitated.
SAsgarters 10 months ago
Yea this is a old saying. I forget who said it though. Anyone can burn a bible (in this case a quran) but to refute it takes real skill.
wolfeedarkfang 10 months ago
@wolfeedarkfang How does it take skill to refute it? Just take a claim you can demonstrate is factually incorrect and then demonstrate it.
SAsgarters 10 months ago
fuck. yes.
TheLaughingOut 10 months ago
Who gets bored with lighting farts in a bottle? Isn't that what comedy is all about?
dameon692002 10 months ago
It's a fucking book!!! Get a fucking grip ppl
gratex 10 months ago
I just gotta say something...whether it be a book or a piece of granite, you can still put value on something. People value all sorts of things like money and rare materials, and burning or destroying those valuable things will cause controversy, or at least spark attention. And really, not only is it bad for the environment, it seems childish to just burn something that you don't agree with. Doesn't matter if its a bible, koran, or anything by Richard Dawkins...
30kbpm 10 months ago
Love ya Dick! well said!
tattooskin72 10 months ago
Lol farts in a bottle.
FHomeBrew 10 months ago
I wonder if an effigy Mountain will come to the effigy Muhammad.
scarletspeed7 10 months ago
Why does this burning an effegy thing remind me of witchcraft? Oh, yes, of course! Cuz it is!
tmafkap 10 months ago
Took the words right out of my mouth. 'Penis envy for Terry Jones'.
theskepticalheretic 10 months ago
I dont think the attack in afganistan had anything to do with the koran burning. it had to do with a occupied people trying to fight an invader. If we were not occupying afganistan, then no doubt they would have heard about the koran burning and burnt and american flag in response or somethng. So they used it as a rallying cry for action, but lets not pretend that it was their main motivation.
Salment 10 months ago
Thank you for putting up a video on each channel. It is well appreciated.
8DX 10 months ago
Thunderf00t keeps going on about how "well, I'm not going to do nothing." That's fine, but can't you think of something better than burning Korans? It's a false dichotomy.
owchywawa 10 months ago
@owchywawa I know! How about *drum roll*...*making videos about the Qur'an?* Pretty radical idea, right? That's *really* putting your life on the line, there. Of course, he'll have to read it and not just delete/burn them to do that.
Afriboy10 10 months ago
@owchywawa
Such as?
ScienceIsKnowledge 10 months ago
@ScienceIsKnowledge I personally would be happy to just see the idiots who committed murder rot in prison for the rest of their lives, but if you personally want to do something you could petition the government for better security at these embassies. Ultimately though, to actually solve the problems in the middle east is going to require some positive propaganda/education. Maybe not going to war so much there would help.
owchywawa 10 months ago
@owchywawa
I guess it's a start. Not sure how a "pro west" campaign would go over there, but anyway.
You avatar is pure win :P
ScienceIsKnowledge 10 months ago
Thunderf00t has achieved one thing: He has gotten us all talking about Thunderf00t.
dangerouslytalented 10 months ago
People need to understand...and I think they are starting to, that freedom of speech is not an obligation, but a privilege with responsibilities, just like all our other rights. You can abuse the privilege all you want, but don't expect good results.
But on a side note, has anyone actually even researched this incident at all regarding Afghanistan? All the recent news reports point to the Taliban infiltrating peaceful protests just to take potshots at UN and govt. officials.
DawahFilms 10 months ago 6
@DawahFilms Actually the sad part is the news had painted those of the Taliban as the normal Muslim. Which they are not. We have too much media induced hysteria.
theatheistgal 10 months ago
@DawahFilms I don't know it seems like a cop out to me. Like an abortionist pointing at the overpopulation in ghetto's and connecting them to crime or Athiest bringing up Aisha every time Muhammad is mentioned, I mean the list just goes on and on. I mean those buildings didn't burn themselves. The question is how to educate people to the level where this kind of thing doesn't happen. Might as well blame the sky for not having rained that day. Finding problems is easy solutions require...........
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety
How is it a cop out?
DawahFilms 10 months ago
@DawahFilms Seems so but Its not a cop out by any means. Just sort of distracts from actually getting any thing done when one focuses on every little thing instead of first bringing in the idea for a solution that could be brought to the table. Once something like that is done then you can address all the details knowing what your goal is. Trying to work from the ground up with no plan in mind is counter productive. The media focuses on those details though so...it is what it is
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety
What are you talking about? Are you actually promoting the idea that the burning of the Qur'an was the main reason for this violence? Really?
DawahFilms 10 months ago
@DawahFilms no I am not that'd be absurd
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety "bringing in the idea for a solution that could be brought to the table."
The authors of the USA contract had a great idea, which was watered down to mean just one thing by an overly biased scotus, "no state sponsored church". The first thought of our bill of rights is a plural statement meaning there are many ways to show respect for a religious establishment, tax free being the gold mine of ill ideas and land theives.
ISamuelII 10 months ago
@ISamuelII well said
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety
YOu need to do research.
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety The extremists in Afghanistan were searching for an excuse to attack any alien presence in Afghanistan in retaliation to the war and war crimes. This Jones incident gave them a Christmas party and also support of a lot of Muslims who were offended by this incident. What can you expect from a country where combined literacy rate is less than 30% and I just looked at Human Development Report 10, Afghanistan is at no.155,it is the most least developed nation outside of Africa(con)
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
(cont)..Moreover, it is not that Afghans are strict followers of Islam(The Arabs may be), to get so offended tending them to kill innocent. Has any kind of such incident happened in any other Muslim country or an Arab country?? Afghanistan has only <1.8% of World's Muslim pop and those rioters were few thousands. Yet some Islamophobes take them as representatives of Islam and their actions as sanctioned by the whole Ummah. To instigate or offend someone who you know will react (cont)..
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
(cont).... will react irrationally and with violence is nothing short of childish and stupidity. Clearly, Jones is to blamed first of all.
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@johnnystorm28 Um i have eyes. You don't need to read a book or wikipedia to gather that perhaps more was going on than meets the eye. The Basics were...book burned...people died. You can feel free to learn as much as you want to about that to your hearts content I'll leave you to it. I'm concerned with a Solution not regurgitating information everyone already knows if they have even remotely listened to the news about the matter for more than 5 minutes.
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety
Well,
The Solution is that, Uncle Sam needs to get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan(Whole Mid-East). Uncle sam seems to like conducting illegal wars and committing mass civilian murders(Iraq 150,000+ by American soldiers, 1,000,00+ due to war and 30,000+ Afghani civilians). Uncle Sam also likes to loot resources. I spoke with an Afghani and he said that the protests were mainly due to war and civilian deaths by American troops. Read about "The Kill Team" at rollingstones.
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@johnnystorm28
*1,000,000+
johnnystorm28 10 months ago
@johnnystorm28 "The Kill Team" was a fun article I glanced through it some. I'll give it a read though & see how interesting it remains thx. I'm sure it'll highlight your "solution" some more. Though large countries need resources that are important to sustain their way of life or if you would call it their empire. Yet its the same with empires, The weak get taken, the strong get stronger. I don't see the US getting out just moving from place to place within the Mid-East like locust.
Unworshipediety 10 months ago
@Unworshipediety
Have you looked at the Kill Team Photos which were distributed among soldiers as a war souvenir. If that is fun, then I bet you that I will have a lot of fun when the sword of Islam reaches America.
johnnystorm28 10 months ago