Was Jesus a Sun-God??? part 2 (wrong)

[swdee2003]

The problem with christians who discount this is simple, THEY ARE STARTING OFF WITH A BIASED OPINION!

If one takes all this information, as though you knew nothing, with no preconceived bias it makes perfect sense :)

Go on try it, christians.

[ApostasyRestoration]

Original Christians kept the seven Sabbaths and the weekly Sabbath and not the sun god day – Sunday. They celebrated the birth of the Messiah Yeshua on April 17th. Constantine was a sun god worshiper, he created a college for the Christians within the sun god Catholic church and forced all Christians in his empire to belong and worship as sun god worshipers or die. Lent, Christmas, Easter and others are sun god holidays, not the True God’s. Catholics with Pope existed long before Yeshua.

[1spiritualalchemy1]

@ApostasyRestoration And thus the original christians who were in fact a mere branch of Judaism, were following the Hebrew system of planet worship that greatly involved the worship of Saturn. Saturn was known as Shabbatai amongst the Hebrew, and thus the word Sabbath derived from it, actually means Saturn. That too is why the Sabbath day is Saturday ( Saturns Day ). All that came of the Roman influence on christianity was the shift to Sun God worship, primarily.

[ApostasyRestoration]

spiritualalchemy Seventh-day shabbat did not originate with the Egyptians, to whom it was unknown and other origin theories based on the day of Saturn or on the planets generally, have also been abandoned. The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia advanced a theory of Assyriologists like Friedrich Delitzsch (and of Marcello Craveri), that shabbat originally arose from the lunar cycle in the Babylonian calendar containing four weeks ending in Sabbath, plus one or two additional unreckoned days per month

[ApostasyRestoration]

@1spiritualalchemy1 The difficulties of this theory include reconciling the differences between an unbroken week and a lunar week, and explaining the absence of texts naming the lunar week as shabbat in any language.

[MrLarrs72]

the best slave is one who dosent know its a slave

[MrLarrs72]

ya, i read the quaran. terrorists. i read the bible too. terrorists gone good. if i were one of the richest, and i worshiped the sun, and if i were a sacraficial blood addict, and i wanted as many followers as i could, but knew that most people wouldnt follow evil knowingly, i would have secretly gotton people to belive in the new testament. drink the blood of crist, worship the "sun" of god. the book tells on itself over and over and over.......its evil in disguise.

[trom031]

jesus is not real ppl wake up!

[pulman7]

Quran 5:77

Say, "O people of the scripture,

do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth,

and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray,

and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path.

[SuperJeremiah333]

There is a quote from Luke 22 in this video and it's quite correct. What's not correct, however - and here's the trick folks - is that it was Jesus' reply to the disciples asking "where the next passover will be AFTER HE IS GONE."

This is a deliberate lie and I invite you to read the passage for yourself IN CONTEXT in Luke 22. It was said in answer to no such question, but on the current passover day, and there's NO mention of anything like "after He is gone" so no astrological significance!

[briteness]

@SuperJeremiah333 You are absolutely correct about that. It is hard to say for sure, but it is very likely that the people who made this film knew that there were gross exaggerations and even outright lies in it. If they did not know that, they were badly uninformed. The smug tone of the narrator alone cries out that this is a propaganda hack job, without recognition of any of the ambiguities and gaping holes in the record which are features of real historical inquiry.

[TheJesusTreatment]

I am sick and tired of all these comments throwing claims of "it's all bulllshit"! I hope you have links or evidence of this, and something other than a Christian Website.

[MichaelFromTheUK]

Jesus is the Sun.

[Bitalontari]

Seek The watchmen part#14

[Bitalontari]

ITS totaly wrong as above so below and you must turn it one time again!

That make jesus son on earth below and the sun above jesus rules at light and satan at darknes. satan alwayes seeks behind. god don't need to do that he is the true!!!

[Bitalontari]

look in the mirror and wake up youtube they controle!!!

[kginsbo]

It's a cult, you can't talk people out of it, they're brainwashed. Just like in any cult.

[15georgeparker15]

this doent change anything im still a christian

[chazhegstrom]

@15georgeparker15 thats what pisses me off about christians, THE PROOF IS RIGHT FUCKING THERE!!!!!!! YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING RETARDED TO CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THIS SHIT!!!!!!! REALLY!!!!!! WHY!?!?!?!!! I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE WORLD FALLS APART JUST SO THAT STUPID FUCKERS LIKE YOU DON'T GET TO BE ON THIS PLANET!

[SupremeAmerican]

@chazhegstrom Jesus was a historical person, he really existed, and he really was killed. Whether or not if he ressurrected, which the bible says he did, is up for debate, whether or not he really was the son of god, if god does exist, is up for debate. The bible makes no mention of three kings, or december 25th, this is a roman empire assault on christianity with the roman catholic church, which was started when they failed to kill christianity. These are facts.

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

People are SO DESPERATE to prove the Bible wrong, because they KNOW that it boils down to some Message that goes against their lifestyles (aka. they don't WANT to come to know Jesus)

PS: And it's perhaps because they've been watching too many movies that have deliberately misrepresented true Christianity.

There's a big difference between COMMON KNOWLEDGE and suppressed minority truths.

[xxxplacidoxxx]

the bible never speaks of a cross. jesus was killed on a stake. do your reasearch. these videos suck

[TheCosmo12345]

@xxxplacidoxxx ya but you should do some reasearch too,..when in comes to your salvation ...its time well spent..

[kginsbo]

which research are you talking about? There's no Roman documentation of it. The Roman's were METICULOUS record keepers.

Do YOUR research.

[OldSmellyCrotch]

For more on Astrotheology see lectures by Manly P Hall on his extensive research into this theory at:

ManlyPHall (.) org

[hydrojaydog]

we are so self interested that we cannot see beyond our own point of view. if we lived back in ancient times, the sun, stars, and order observed therein would be not only other-worldly and off earth(literally), but, godly, because we didn't understand it. god is fear of thr unknown. the bible is a joke, and the religious are scared to think that this is our heaven, here, and now. it is much scarier to think that we arent special. the church condemned him for saying that we revolve around the sun

[zacharykelway]

hydrojaydog dont have time to type everything to eveyone i agree with so love ya take care

[AzxE10]

This is a very reasonable video.

[kheyos232]

Ok this is retarded now, in no bible scripture is there a mention of crosses and such as symbols that was brought into being by the RCC, which i might add has become the symbol of christianity however, is not a church of Christ nor has it ever been. 2nd if you quote bible scriptures you need to read the whole book preferably but atleast the whole chapter Luke 22.10 dont have anything to do with aquarius, read Luke 22-23 before you spew out none sense

[zacharykelway]

kheyos thats the point that there is no cross in the bible its man made fiction it was all plagerized its in our nature to plagerize how many times you quote a movie threw your life it was all taken from older books

[RicardoDNPereira]

Guys, many people think that this is an theory created by zeitgeist. This is no theory created by zeitgeist. Actually zeitgeist does not exactly creates theories, it only makes so kind of compilation of theories made by other people. This stuff of jesus being the sun is most likely to bet true, as it has heavy proof of the explained.

To be honest, when I first saw this video, I didn't exactly believe this, but then I heard it again later through a reliable source... University studies.

[psychickflamingo]

Although you dont agree with this video ... thatnks for uploading it here so i can show my students easily how the Church is a big Hoax....and become really interested in readign the bible for its true meaning ... as the true masterpiece of love that it is and ....not gibberish bullshit that preists make just before they send the collection plate around.

[RoxasC08]

dude, i wish you were my teacher. I would have loved to be your student if i saw this in your class. :o)

[TheHeroicPsyche]

you have students?

be careful using youtube as source. i mean srsly.

[roldie2]

Christians founders did in fact borrow heavily from the "pagans". their religion is just paganism rehashed and redistributed under the guise of being "historical".

[TheHeroicPsyche]

especially true for the european church state founders.

i think they did so to hijack the messianic way of thought and at the same time overwrite paganism and instill a "new order", which was actually more like the old order all over again. "order" being their opinion, not the opinion of the messianic mind.

[SupremeAmerican]

@roldie2 That was done by the roman's when they created the roman catholic church roughly 300 years after Christianity started. The interesting thing, is that the romans tried to kill christianity and failed, then adopted it and brought things in such as december 25th, which is pagan, and found nowhere in the bible. Wake up buddy.

[AloofPeregrine]

@roldie2 Recently I've discovered that a lot of old Genesis stories are just "rehashed" versions of older Sumerian mythologies and that Islam is a rehased version of an old lunar paganism. Strange, they all shout "pagan" at each other as though it were an insult; meanwhile they have a history of stealing the ideas and passing them off as their own like the classroom bully who will copy a kid's homework and still beat him up on the playground. Insane!

[SAPI3NS]

I don't know who to believe anymore... it's been refuted...he's a Sun God...he's not a Sun God... this is a lie, it's not a lie. Makes me want to cry so hard.

[thegrudgegit]

Join the club, God didnt make it easy did he. Yet the bible says hes not the author of confusion. HAHAHAHA! Drive you mental would'nt it. Im taking a long step back from religion right now and examining it without any intention to believe anything but to test all rationally...Then if i come to believe, great. If not, great too. I always hoped there was an overall judge who would judge fairly and let the blind in this life see in the next life etc. But, who knows. I dont.

[Ramiromasters]

I researched for the other Gods info and yea pretty much that is the same story of the Bible. Besides things like God created the entire universe but he needed dust to create Adam... and Eve... oh wait no an Eve did not contained dust but a rib!! and then the talking snake who is condemned to crawl on his belly? its snake! they do that already. Is there a God? maybe but not described by human religions.

[3rdeyeoptics]

dont let them confuse you just follow your heart yeshua loves

[TheHeroicPsyche]

then do what i do. say fuck it.

the only value the story of jesus (historical or not) has to humankind, is the message of love and the potential miracles that may follow. all this dogmatic shit and all this quarreling is just distraction, and certainly doesn't help us improve as a species in any way.

[boobaliz]

im just wondering. I personaly do believe in historians & scientists probes. This movie gives (to my own opinion) the rationalest explains ive heard about religions and world we are living. But Daoom1979 (who uploaded thoses videos) says in the title 'Zeitgeist the movie has been refuted'.

But who refuted it ? How ? im interested.

[rdiofreeurope]

Most of all three parts have been more or less refuted by different people. For the religious section preventingtruthdecay has a pretty good list. Bringyou. to has a pretty good page with good book in the sources for further information.

The movie is propaganda made by someone without expertise in the field, so few of the assertions hold up to scrutiny and most that do aren't as interesting as the video maker tried to make them appear by deception (e.g., aeon=age=astrological age).

[rdiofreeurope]

If you have any parts that movie found interesting I might be able to give you some context for it.

[yuval118]

0:23 It were 12 tribes because Jakov had 12 sons, and Joseph only had 11 brothers...

There are more than 12 O.T. Prophets

[billoakesattablthree]

this really is pretty interesting stuff - it would be interesting if some leading scholors would comment on this - this is a very good presentation

[chillzz25]

NO MORE FALSEHOOD

All so called similarities between Mithra, Krishna etc and Jesus ARE DEBUNKED

w w w . thedevineevidence . com / jesus _ similarities . html

user / ZeitgeistDebunked

Who is Jesus?

w w w . bibleandquran . com / jesus . htm

w w w . abrahamic-faith . com / why _ Yeshua . html

w w w . answeringmuslims . com

[Elantiff]

I have read over the majority of these comments and I think that we should ask ourselves "do I believe that Jesus is the Son that God sent or is Jesus the Sun God that man says

[FaulkMonster]

WHY did dead Jesus hide in a cave and the rise on the THIRD day? Why not the next day, or the 7th day? There is only one answer Jesus = Sun

[ducksaj]

that is a great subject to think about..........

[kickballsuper]

This video made me bond with one friend, and lose 2 other not good. But my intention was not to show them this to make them atheist but rather show them, hey yea maybe this world style and beauty might have the signature of a higher being, but a religion has more to do with a club than with be aware of a God.

[FaulkMonster]

If Jesus is NOT a Sun God, please explain why he stayed dead in a cave and rose on the THIRD day? Why did he not rise on the 5th day, or the very next day? THERE IS NO RATIONAL REASON FOR THAT except that the sun reaches its lowest point around Dec. 25 and RISES ON THE THIRD DAY. Easy stuff if you open your eyes and your mind.

[markay9tyfawr]

What made u say he rose on the 3rd Day.. :) it is only said that the tomb was empty on the 3rd Day when it was open... probably resurrected the 2nd or the first :D

[Elantiff]

I appreciate the video with all the sybolism. Remember there is the unsceen God; The God that said that you shall never see His face and live, and remember what the unsceen God also said that we are not to make Him in the Image of ANYTHING, but mankind has; it is how mankind "imagines" Him. All have imagined Him and His character to be something that is not. "there are gods, many, lords many and kings many, but there is One God and One Lord Jesus Christ.

[CoVoNenT1]

ASSALUMU ALAYKUM(PEACE BE UPON YOU)

[Elantiff]

Thank you, I do have peace because I do my own prayerful studying. There was a time there was no peace within me because I believed the teachings of men and not of God. Earth is school, we have to experience to be able to learn so that we may grow. God Bless

[kevin604bc]

You chose the wrong title for this video.

[johnnyamsterdam]

believe in something you see.... this is well found. BELIEVING in something you can't see is too easy.

[skatezombie83]

Believing in something you can't see is a difficult struggle and a test of what kind of human you are. We will probably not know for sure the origin of our creation until our deaths or this supposed age of aquarius.

[johnnyamsterdam]

We will never know. The only thing we know is that we don't know shit!

[Kracka420]

i think jesus was sun god..

so i think someone did not do there research ..jesus will save you when it comes after the moon..

[johnnyamsterdam]

when jesus comes after the moon he can fix my sink...

[Elantiff]

We are specifically told in scripture the consequences for worshipping and bowing down to idols and an idol is anything......a man, a woman, child, pastor, a priest, an animal, the sun, the moon. God sent His Son not the Sun God, an idol is nothing but there is only One God and One Lord Jesus Christ. There are many doctrines of who Jesus is (666-man portraying God) There is the Word of God and the Living God in whom we may seek TRUTH.

[Kracka420]

I have changed my mind about jesus i don't think he is a sun god anymore through my long hard research jesus is not a sun god

[Offspring1337]

What you see on these messages and anti zeitgeist videos are pretty much the reaction of people who choose blind faith over logic and reason.

[reyknow]

maybe thats why hitler was so angry at jews, like moses was angry at people worshiping the past deity.

amazing how ancient cultures already knew bout this. maybe the mayans and aztecs arent as low tech as we thought.

[FaulkMonster]

A more interesting question is why did the Catholic Church openly support Hitler?

[rdiofreeurope]

They didn't. The Vatican saved thousands of Jews according to Pinchas Lapide.

You are just another person who tries to "...exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today" as Rabbi D. Dalin put it.

[FaulkMonster]

You fool! The Vatican entered a WRITTEN CONCORD WITH NAZI GERMANY.

The POPE said:

"This handshake with the Papacy...is a feat of immeasurable blessing...May God preserve Reich Chancellor Hitler."

[rdiofreeurope]

"You fool!"

I see, definitely an ad hominem argument is the way to argue effectively without knowing what you are talking about. Point out the obvious, copy/paste and misattribute a quote, and you've proved your point, right?

Actually it was the CARDINAL Michael von Faulhaber, former member of the International Catholic League against Antisemitism and Racism, who was called, "a famous opponent of the Nazis" by historian and Rabbi D. Dalin who said that. This was years before the Holocaust

[rdiofreeurope]

continued:

and they were trying to protect Catholics, as it was signed after "...the Nazis had wrought no small amount of terror on Catholics and their institutions, including detaining and intimidating priests, raiding the offices of the two Catholic parties... breaking up meetings, confiscating election materials, and firing civil servants who were members of the Catholic parties (Lewy: 28)."

From "Catholicism and Democracy

A Reconsideration" E. Bell "Journal of Religion & Society" V. 10

[rdiofreeurope]

and how long were these *good Catholic* Nazis willing to be abide by the terms of the concordat with their *beloved* church?

"Ten days after the signing of the Concordat, Schirach issued an order forbidding simultaneous membership in the Hitler Jugend and the Catholic Youth League. In 1934 Schirach wrote, "The denominational youth league (Catholic Youth Association) has no right to exist in our time." (1458-PS)."

From, Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression

Volume I Chapter VII (avl on the Nizkor page)

[FaulkMonster]

The murders, torture, and mass rapes of women and children committed by your 'church' for the last two thousand years is one of the darkest marks in the history of humanity.

[P0P53H]

Because Christians are against anyone who isn't 'One of them'.

[Elantiff]

it is called HATE and not love.

[Elantiff]

No matter that Moses or Hitler was angry for disobediance they are "man" and not God; what about God's anger about the rebellion and disobediance of His children? Free Will (the ablility to make decisions for ones self)

[intercourseman69]

so where do you refute this?

[xtrashed]

The people who make these claims shamelessly prey on the ignorent. Get any scholarly book on these religions and you'll see they're totally different. Christianity is the antithesis of the pagan mystery cults. Even the historicity of Jesus is debated-and I think opponents have an axe to grind. It's as if acknowledging a historical Jesus means accepting Christianity.

[Elantiff]

We should stay with what the Word says as our authority of truth......Jesus never said that he was God, Jesus prayed to his God and referred to him as The One True God. Jesus always talked of another in his life who is God, Jesus had and has a God. If God said that He sent His Son then I believe that God sent His Son over what the devil says.

[resslersatthelake]

you guys are idiots you have to read the bible before you see this. This just proves the bible is right even more. because in the bible God uses his creation to show that he exist. God uses the sun and the stars to tell the story of his son Jesus.

[Headbanger367]

GOd uses the sun to tell story of jesus instead of the bible??? fuck man, can't you just accept the truth, weak christians

[FaulkMonster]

Odd that he used his creation to show that all the pagan gods that Christianity copied existed too.

[s8ntmark]

Holy Crap! I don't know if its true, but the arguments really make sense!

[meak911]

Once the Roman Latin church changed Immanuel's name and identity from a messenger angel to a sun god the cult of lies was born.

[Elantiff]

I agree with you, the Roman Catholic Church used the Jesus (Zeus) in replacement of his hebrew name. The doctrine of the Trinity is the state religion of Rome 321a.d. where they incorporated the pagan gods and christianity into one. The Word of God, i.e. the Bible states that God sent His Only Begotten Son into the world, but does not ever imply that God's Son is to be reffered to The Sun God that is a teaching (doctrine) of man

[Ricky2112]

You can't refute a myth. That's why it's called a myth. You can change it over and over, like they added the rapture out of nowhere, but you can't refute that the entire thing is made up fictional myth. Jesus is not real. He didn't walk on water, the sun did. As you can see each day.

[cjhindma]

its hard to break free of the fear you feel. What if...