Catholics trashing protestant videos (here)....I flip over to a "Catholics Come Home" video, and protestants are bashing it relentlessly. We all follow the same Jesus, people, and there are those out there who feast on our bickering. Has anyone here ever thought about the things that UNITE us? Hard times are coming, we all know that. How about a little Christian kindness and maybe some unity?
...For after all the great religions have been preached and expounded, or have been revealed by brilliant scholars, or have been written in fine books and embellished in fine language with finer covers, man, - all man - is still confronted by the Great Mystery.
EITHER WAY CATHOLICISM AND PROTESTANTISM - IT'S ALL FOR THE BIRDS.. NOTHING CHANGED REGARDS THE AVERAGE MAN AND HIS LOT IN SOCIETY - IT ALL COMES DOWN YET AGAIN TO LAND REFORM AND THE USE AND ABUSES OF PRIVILAGE...
Martin Luther was not a medieval man, in fact quite the opposite. a medieval mass included a priest, often absent from his post, speaking Latin, which no one understood except scholars, and preform the communion, which was only for the priest. Luther wanted people to take a more active role in religion instead of blindly following the catholic church. Is that a heretic idea? To take ten minutes a day and read the bible? Luther was human, he had his faults, but he never claimed to be perfect.
The WHORE of Babylon is Jerusalem Israel, as its WHERE Christ was Crucified (Rev 11:8) and rests on 7 Hills.
Protestants (& Luther) allied with Jews and they were dupes in Passing Roe V Wade which killed 53 million Babies as told by NARAL Director Dr Bernard Nathanson in CONFESSIONS OF AN X ABORTIONIST.
Prots killed off 20 million US Indians, using germ Warfare via Smallpox blankets from Jew Jacob Amhearst, defending this with Scripture.
@JewsMockGodWithLies why do you think the holocaust is a lie. we have amazing amounts of documentation and first hand accounts. i find what you preech disgusting and rather than slandering the jewish people, you should take a second to evaluate what you believe.
God used ML for a specfic purpose at the right time=God's timing. It happened just a few yrs short of Gutenberg priting press invention & only a few miles from the action. Any and all issues ML had after the nailing of 95 Thesis on the catholic holiday called holloween*o* are moot and God made sure that they were! God saw the black stain of the dark ages needed His Marvelous Light. And He said Let there be Light and it was good. Protestantism was the move of GOD. Amen!
Was he a man of God? Yes. Was he righteous? Not he himself. Only insomuch as Christ's righteousness was imputed to him. That's straight from Luther's own theology.
I will rephrase my question to make it easier to answer.
You wrote that the degree in which Luther is wrong about his theological arguments is even greater than claiming that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners.
Would you be willing to regard a person who argues that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners as an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect?
Is Luther as an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect?
Luther is an authoritative religious teacher only in some areas. This is true of every scholar of every subject. In theology, John Calvin or Martin Luther are useful in some areas, but not others. In philosophy, David Hume is useful in some areas, but not others. The list goes on. You can't say that just because a person made some bad mistakes in certain areas of their teachings that they should be shunned and discarded altogether. That's intellectual murder.
> Luther is an authoritative religious teacher only in some areas.
Is the answer to my question that the hypothetical person who argues that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners in fact *can* be an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect, except in that one area?
It's possible. I'll give you another example. Augustine probably articulated the Trinity better than any writer before or after him. But he had a horrible doctrine of justification. However, this doesn't somehow botch his writings on the Trinity. Where's the logic in that? And this applies to other subjects too, as I showed.
Christians truly are wonderfully tolerant and forgiving when it comes to offenses committed by Christians. When you consider Luther's Jew hatred or, for example, the pedophile priests of the Catholic church, it is great to see that no grudges are held against the perpetrators because of their misdemeanors.
We're going back to square one. Almost this entire discussion has been comment after comment arguing and explaining my view how it was not from valid Biblical deductions that Luther argued for anti-Semitism insomuch as the Bible in no way justifies such views. If you're not able to follow or comprehend, I have no time for you.
I don't know if I know the Bible better than Luther. But again, it was not the Bible that fueled Luther's anti-Semitism. You yourself criticized his theological deductions.
Now either provide a valid Biblical argument for anti-Semitism or stop wasting my time.
> it was not the Bible that fueled Luther's anti-Semitism
You could not possibly make a statement more uninformed than this.
It *absolutely* was the bible which fueled Luther's hatred.
In his book he uses the bible over and over again to prove that Jews are the "devil's incarnates" and that god actually hates Jews even more than he does.
> provide a valid Biblical argument
His arguments are in his book. Reading the book is a requisite of understanding them. Are you going to?
You're a logic novice, my friend. Don't even try your rhetoric here.
As I explained in my last comment, Luther can botch his Biblical expertise in one area without it affecting other areas. Ironically, you cite logic whilst violating it.
Therefore, Luther can be wrong concerning the Jews but spot on concerning Justification and the human need of divine grace as per his magnum opus, "On the Bondage of the Will."
One who resorts to ad hominem arguments is out of valid ones.
> Luther can botch his Biblical expertise in one area without it affecting other areas
So, he was *not* an expert on the bible with regard to those verses which he used in "On the Jews and their lies", but he was more adept in *other* parts of the bible?
Didn't Luther translate the bible into German language?
I didn't resort to ad hom. An ad hom would be basing my entire argument on attacking your character rather than your point. Bit I proceeded to show the illogical nature of your argument. Thus, not ad hom.
No, he was not employing his expertise in such arguments. I've read some of Luther's commentaries on the Bible and he is otherwise a good exegete.
Concerning the translation: We're not arguing concerning the quality of his translation, but of his derivation of doctrine from it. For instance, Miguel Servetus read the entire Bible in its original languages. But he was one of the worst theologians in all history.
You seem to be very new to this topic and yet want to teach others.
You can't simply ignore my points. I explained to you that Servetus read the entire Bible -not merely translated, but read- in its original languages and he was the worst theologian in history. Arius knew Greek way better than Luther and his Christology was completely unbiblical.
Just because a person knows the original language of the Bible doesn't mean that they're always going to be right in what they say about it.
> We're not arguing concerning the quality of his translation, but of his derivation of doctrine from it
Do you believe that despite of his complete and utter misunderstanding of one of the central messages he would have been able to produce an bible translation which was faithful to to the original?
Yes, he can translate the Bible without being a good exegete or theologian. There is no chain of reasoning that can lead you to say "because this person knows Greek and Hebrew, he must therefore always have valid arguments from the Bible." On the contrary, I've given you two examples of people who surpassed Luther in their knowledge of Biblical languages and who yet were poor theologians.
Nope. It's not an Ad Hom. Can I recommend a good book for you for beginner's logic? And it certainly isn't "again" because I showed how your last accusation was also invalid in that I did not commit ad hom fallacy. You overlooked my explanation of your error and proceeded to repeat the same error again.
Thus, I think I've given you enough chances to have a rational discussion. We're pretty much done here than.
I can comment on the quality of his arguments because I know the Bible well enough to know that one cannot formulate good arguments for anti-Semitism from it.
No, I already told you I haven't. But if Luther is using the Bible, which speaks of Israel as God's chosen people for whom God has a future plan of salvation, it is pretty obvious that his anti-Semitic arguments from it would be flimsy. Thus, it is Luther's anti-Semitism, not Biblical teachings, that drive such beliefs.
To put it simply, I dare anyone to formulate valid arguments from the Bible for the anti-Semitism that Luther displayed.
So, you can tell that Luther's arguments are substandard and false even though you do not even bother reading them, because you have read the bible. This is equivalent to writing that a person is an expert in polymer physics because he has read all of Shakespeare's works.
Why not quite simply read the book and THEN comment Luther's arguments and tell me what's wrong with them? I cannot explain you what they are because they take tens of pages.
No, I edited and re-posted the comment. It's here.
Now you're just being absurd. There is no relevance between polymer physics and Shakespeare. However, there is a relevance between the Bible and Luther's claims about the Bible.
So, for instance, if someone claims that the Bible says God wants us to have multiple homosexual partners, I don't have to read their book to know they're wrong. To drive the point home,the idea of anti-Semitism being Biblical is even more absurd than this.
Oh, I'm sure he attempted to justify his opinions from the Bible. It is not like Luther to say something and not quote the Bible in saying it. However, I think it's clear that it was anti-Semitism firstly that was driving him, not valid theological deductions.
You do understand that no Protestant approves of *everything* Luther said and did, right?
I haven't, but Luther is widely known for being anti-Semitic, as most people were in his time. Not that this excuses him. But it wasn't as if Luther was the originator and perpetuation of these views.
everyone in this comment war needs to get a life and stop commenting on this and writing entire pharagraphs about how jews were killed. good they killed 6 million jews we get that. thanks
@AntiStupidity4Ever what do you think the star of Bethlehem is about???? they had to flee bethlehem.matthew 2:1 actually talks about it.plain and simple.
instead of reading the outdated king james version from the 1600's read a modern version of the bible,one thats in modern slang ect.
Luther grew up with the Catholic Faith, Protestantism was unknown to him as a child, it was unknown to him as a priest, it was unknown to him when he posted his 95 theses, and even unknown to him when he first called the pope the antichrist and was appealing to a general council. But, at some point in time he came up with Protestantism, but it was just an invention of a man. Protestants have thus embraced a purely man-created religion which Luther was inventing and reinventing by the day.
@YeshuaisYahweh1, Martin Luther, stood against papal abuse of power and tyranny, he issued the Roman hierarchy a 95 thesis, of things which needed correcting, including the sale of indulgences . The belief of salvation by faith rather than through the works of sinful unrepentent men, is scriptural and is the gospel message of salvation.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:8 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
@TheNarniaPostOffice Did you know that he came up with sola fide while on the toilet?? No, bet you didnt know that. He was throwing excrament back and forth with the devil when he made it up. But your not going to listen to anything im telling you, youll just ignore the facts.
@YeshuaisYahweh1@YeshuaisYahweh1, Surely if you got anything of value to say, there has to be a better form of rhetoric and choice of words than your use of vulgarity , but then again those who lack social skills of etiquette, have very little of value to share . Just remember those whom you esteem, also use the toilet and more than likely do a lot of their thinking there.
@TheNarniaPostOffice "Indeed in one of his many 'anal' combats with the devil, in which Luther would challenge the devil to 'lick' his posterior. He thought that his best tactic might be to 'throw him into my anus where he belongs'" So he did come up with sola fide with the devil on the toilet. He claims it was "knowelge the Holy Spirit gave me on the privy in the tower" And YES, he did say these things.
@YeshuaisYahweh1,From your vivid and perverted imagination, it leaves one to wonder what occupies your nursery pastimes . In regard of christian beliefs, you know nothing. You are hiding behind a mask to create hate and disunity. You are in reality a worshipper of the dark side and your use of language exposes your unrepented heart.
@TheNarniaPostOffice Hey, im just quoteing his own words. And you should read his letters to Melaganthon, and his table talk. I do not have a "sexual" imagination. I am celebate.
@truelieswow "I myself saw and touched at Dessay, a child of this sort, which had no human parents, but had proceeded from the Devil. He was twelve years old, and, in outward form, exactly resembled ordinary children."
Prots Molest at a Rate of 40:1 in comparison with Catholics
Jew Rabbis at over 100:1
Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches
By Jonathan Morris
(Fox News) The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the 3 major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in USA say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.'
He Allied with them. Then was Betrayed by them, and then wrote JEWS AnD THEIR LIES.
It was too late, Europe would be cast into a 30 year war, that benefitted Jewry, which had been under control
Dr Bernard Nathanson of NARAL wrote in CONFESSIONS OF AN X ABORTIONIST, how Jews Allied with Protestants against the Pro Life Catholics to Pass Roe V Wade in 1973.
You and yours have the Blood of 53 Million babies on your hands.
@StSimonMartyr, You show your ignorance and stupidty, with your cunning ability to twist history. What of all the murders of of protestants at the hands of the catholic inquisition as set up by the 'holy catholc church', men, women and children died in their millions and you support and worship a system of pagan religion which instigated that evil, clearly you are responsible for all those deaths as you are for the on going machinery of killing, hidden behind the mask of war.
@lilbeaveymac Sure they follow the bibel huh..tell me find me where the bible has the words faith alone and post the verse please?...Show me where the bible says it is the pillar and foundation and final authroity and not "The church of the living GOD, the pillar and foundation of truth"?...Show me where in the bible it says instant salvation? Show me where in the bible the eucharist or baptism is symbolic?
True luther hated jews, but how many did he actually kill? Now how many jews has the rcc killed? A few were killed in the spanish inquesition i hear...
We mustn't forget that some of Greatest Murderers of modern times were Jewish
YNET News Israel, Sever Plocker
Stalin's Jews
Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, GPU's Founder and Commander of the NKVD. Yagoda was responsible for the deaths of 20 million+
In 1917, Lenin signed a decree for the establishment Combating Counter-Revolution, aka Cheka. Cheka to GPU, NKVD, to KGB.
Cheka responsible for 20 million+ deaths, collectivization hunger, & mass death at Gulags'
Onchocerciasis schistosomiasis are major biological weapons and their use to create harm because of theological disposition will be prosecuted according to the law of conservation.
And to the sick people of earth suffering from rickettsial diseases, remember the evil doers of business law and medicine will face judgement for their choices.
@gtepp031387 nothing special... everyone hated the jews at the time... you would not find a human who is completely free of the societal influences of his/her time.
@Legilimentable He just didn't hate them he burned them and killed them, and encouraged others to do the same. He removed 7 books from the bible,and even wanted the book of James thrown out to becaues it contridicted him. He believed he knew better then every saint and church father before him, calling them church babies that knew nothing. He founded a man made chuch, breaking people away from the church that Jesus established. He made up new believes that no one had ever hear of. Yea great guy
@gtepp031387 Martin Luther together with Guttenberg cleared the path for literacy and education in the population, he believed the principle that we are all children of god, and usually children do not need their oldest brother to speak to their father indirectly. He believed in the human kind, in maturity to decide one's own fate, in the capability of each and every one of us to take on responsibility. He did not feed his own pride, greed and gluttony like the catholic church did at the time
@Legilimentable In fact he did, he though he knew better then the intire church, that was established by Jesus Christ, he killed many jews, destroyed the bible, and claimed he was right in doing so. Just read some of the things he said, he has to be one of the most errogant men to ever walk the world.
@Legilimentable Just read Clement, Ignatious, and Polycarp. All three were ordained and taught face to face by the apostles and you will see your "church" is a modern nightmare
@gtepp031387 For the time being we may assume that Jesus established the church. And so what? After 500 years of tradition and rituals the church had become an organizational monster, developing new rules and institutions that Jesus could definitely NOT foresee. Therefore, since the church was not close to Jesus anymore, any of its products that you mention cannot be legitimized by Jesus in what they said, did or wrote. And Columbus also knew better than everyone else, and he was right.
@Legilimentable "Jesus could definitely NOT forsee" Intresting theory I suppose then when Jesus said "I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." He was speaking presumtiously then?
@gtepp031387 yes, probably... jeez, he was a leader and said things that leaders say... and he was human, a great fellow and we could never reach his ideal, but still a human... and so he couldn't foresee things. If, however, you'd like to imply that he was more than human then I can understand the islamic critique on christianity. So, and now I won't discuss anymore. Fact is, Luther was a great man for human progress. Imagine where we'd be if we all were stuck in religion like you are obviously
@Legilimentable Jesus was fully GOD yes, if thats what your asking. Islamic critique.. thats a good one, seeing as how they worship the same god as they allways have long before Muhamid ever came...and it isn't GOD.. shoot they even kept the name of there false god Allah.. the same name as there pagan moon god before Muhamid.. WOW and your ganna give me "Islamic critique"...thats a good one.
@DeizelMassacre foundation in the two most glorious apostels Peter and Paul. And becaues of this foundation the Roman church had preimminit authority. It had nothing to do with being the Imperial city as Constantinople tryed to mistakenly calim.
@DeizelMassacre Well i can not say the falling of the Roman empire had no affect on the split. It is true most of the problem stems from the 4th council when Constantinople mistakenly claimed that it held the same privlege as Rome, becaues it was the new Rome. This was never why the Roman bishop had the authority in the first place. One can read Irenaeus long before the Roman church had any political power who states around 150 A.D that the roman church must be agreeded with becaues of it's
@DeizelMassacre Uhmm the Roman church never fell the Popes hold an unbroken line of sucession and by the way the Orthodox and Catholics split a long long time after Rome was sacked. Yes do some research thats a good idea.
@BlackPhantom559 the apostles never founded the Catholic Church, before then the apostles where traveling Clergy. So in that mind the Catholic church should have never exited
this video is about the guy who split apart people and make everyone do what they want to believe and inspired people to create their own perspective about Christ and God.
What I don't get is how people like Luther can justify their actions with "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock I shall build my Church." Also he removed the books of James and Maccabeus from the bible because James said: "faith without works is dead" and Judas Maccabeus said: "Let us pray for our fallen brethren." To this day these quotes are in the KJ version of the bible, because after Luther died his followers put them back in.
Thank God that Martin opened the door to freedom from catholic church! We now as prostestants have freedom to not be under the chains of false teaching by the catholics, SOLA FIDA!!!!
@dog3croom And just where in the Bible does it say we are saved by faith alone? I know where it says we are not saved by faith alone, James 2:24 along with dozens of other verses, but no where does it say we are saved by faith alone. Do not be deceived by satan. Accept the one true faith of the Catholic Church, outside which there is no salvation.
@1426jpg then why did they have Homosexual acts and made people pay for salvation, which pushed Martin Luther to write. The Catholics will led you to hell.
Martin Luther was Judging when Christ told him not to...and the devil commanded him not only to judge the Pope and the leaders of the Church but to change its beliefs....Lucifer tried a similar reformation...
@SanctioFides nice lie, if the catholics are so great then why did they kill Lutherans? Lucifer was in the Catholic Church and still is to this day. Martin wanted to get people to the truth of the bible not the popes truth.
People need to understand that there have always been disputes in the churchs history going back to the time of the apostles. Even the apostles disagreed amongst themselves. the reason im prostestant is because i do think that there are certain practices of the catholic church that are wrong, but im not gonna say all catholics are going to hell because there not protestant. thats absurd. and its also absurd of catholics to say all protestants, inclucing Luther, are going to hell
people on this thread need to stop saying "if your a protestant, you'll go to hell", or "if your a catholic you'll go to hell". That is just a wrong way to interpret christ's teaching on the body of believers. Im protestant and i dont think that people who are catholic go to hell. there are many people on both sides who embody what it means to be a true christian at heart. Take mother teresa. Shes catholic, but i as a protestant baptist consider her a true christian
This video proves that we should not trust Luther, Popes, nor any man for that matter, we should trust in our Lord Jesus Christ our heavenly father and the Holy Spirit.
Luther simply wanted to be Pope. He was never able to reconcile his new found faith alone non-sense with scripture James 2:17. Thats why he wanted to leave the book of St. James out of his translation he aslo had problems with Revelations. Luther was also a Jew hating anti-semmit who was instrumental in many, many anabaptists being burned at the stake even though he originally had been against it.
What documentary is this from? What's the name of it??? I have a research paper due for high-school but I can't put it as a source unless I know the attribute. Any ideas? Anyone? cccamn? x
@theadora10 Its from a documentary called Empires, which normally concentrates on just that, Empires, i.e Rome , Egypt etc etc. But this was a two part special on Luther
@edavisdavis woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
@edavisdavis woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
@gtepp031387 no man deserves glory that includes the Pope, the Jews left god when they killed Christ and the Catholics left God when they committed Homosexual acts and did nothing about it.
@Dman80512 Actually man does and gets the glory that GOD gave Jesus in John 17:20-22 and anyone who commited homosexual acts is going to be judged by GOD, and the church has done things about it they have made them leave the priesthood. The Catholic church can not be seperated from GOD as the gates of hell will never prevail against it! The Pope never declared himself GOD where do you come up with this nonesence?
@TheGallantGentry he means from going to the devil the Catholics would have taken it their. with Homosexual acts in Rome, which made Martin go away from the Catholic Church.
@TheSixStringRevolver's- TheChurch is the body of Christ. How old is your faith? RCC dated around 5th century? Sheesh, friend we already had 40 Popes by then. Here is some small example of the Church's existence before 5th century..Ignatius Letter to the Smyrnaeans, just to name a few. You need to read the history of Christianity dating before Martin Luther's deformation.
Ignatius says the Church is Catholic. You take that to mean that he is speaking of your Roman Catholic Church. That is wrong. "Catholic" literally means "universal." Ignatius was saying that the Church is Catholic, that is, universal, consisting of both Jew and Gentile and saints all over the world. In that sense, I too am a part of the Catholic Church, not the Papist Church.
One man single handedly changed hundreds of years of christian theology. If it weren't for him this would be a catholic country. Religion. Gotta love it.
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Paddles001 - Ephesians 1:22-23, "And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."
By the Church I mean the people of the church, which are men, which are imperfect. I'll be honest in saying that verse confuses me, but I can't see where it says we are perfect.
By the definition of Church i meant, it would mean that me, you, Luther, the Pope and any other members of the body of Christ were perfect?
Well man is not perfect, and neither is the church. Luther sort after truth, and rejected many Catholic teachings of the time, obviously corrupt. If you can't admit yourself to that, you're kidding yourself. As to who's more "correct", I'm not going to comment. But please don't call it a deformation. Give honour where honour is due. He did nothing other then to try and glorify God's name
Luther writes that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[1] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[2] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[3] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated
Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
Where is your compassion, your love? If you believe in grace then you should have some, brother. Even Martin Luther didn't believe all Catholics were lost. Neither do I believe all Lutherans are, but some are.
In the words of Martin Luther, unless you can convince me by scipture where I am wrong, I can not and will not recant. (which should also be done lovingly, according to scripture) My conscience is captive to the Word of God, here I stand I can do no other.
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Thank you, Luther! You made more war and more hating in this world! Congratulations ^^
BeatlePotterFan4 1 day ago
Unfortunately... Its not as simple as the video makes it out to be.
dcrippen2000 3 days ago
Catholics trashing protestant videos (here)....I flip over to a "Catholics Come Home" video, and protestants are bashing it relentlessly. We all follow the same Jesus, people, and there are those out there who feast on our bickering. Has anyone here ever thought about the things that UNITE us? Hard times are coming, we all know that. How about a little Christian kindness and maybe some unity?
SteveD042661 5 days ago
liam neeson narrating??
kmack4427 2 weeks ago
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Luther meet Luther!
...For after all the great religions have been preached and expounded, or have been revealed by brilliant scholars, or have been written in fine books and embellished in fine language with finer covers, man, - all man - is still confronted by the Great Mystery.
---Chief Luther Standing Bear - Oglala Sioux
bozolazic 3 weeks ago
EITHER WAY CATHOLICISM AND PROTESTANTISM - IT'S ALL FOR THE BIRDS.. NOTHING CHANGED REGARDS THE AVERAGE MAN AND HIS LOT IN SOCIETY - IT ALL COMES DOWN YET AGAIN TO LAND REFORM AND THE USE AND ABUSES OF PRIVILAGE...
batavianism 1 month ago in playlist History Channel
From now on baby its down to you!!!
DelBluenose80 1 month ago
commanded those would who not believe top be hanged. another scumbag murderer. he also exiled vegetarains.
normalguyable 2 months ago
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slapshot37GNR 3 months ago
Luther was somewhat despicable, in my not-so-humble opinion.
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
Martin Luther was not a medieval man, in fact quite the opposite. a medieval mass included a priest, often absent from his post, speaking Latin, which no one understood except scholars, and preform the communion, which was only for the priest. Luther wanted people to take a more active role in religion instead of blindly following the catholic church. Is that a heretic idea? To take ten minutes a day and read the bible? Luther was human, he had his faults, but he never claimed to be perfect.
krcheti451 4 months ago 6
The WHORE of Babylon is Jerusalem Israel, as its WHERE Christ was Crucified (Rev 11:8) and rests on 7 Hills.
Protestants (& Luther) allied with Jews and they were dupes in Passing Roe V Wade which killed 53 million Babies as told by NARAL Director Dr Bernard Nathanson in CONFESSIONS OF AN X ABORTIONIST.
Prots killed off 20 million US Indians, using germ Warfare via Smallpox blankets from Jew Jacob Amhearst, defending this with Scripture.
35,000 Competing, divided Sects now and counting
StSimonMartyr 2 months ago
Martin Luther was a heretic. period.
28804ecorrell 4 months ago
@28804ecorrell Rubbish!! A true hero!
DelBluenose80 1 month ago
@JewsMockGodWithLies why do you think the holocaust is a lie. we have amazing amounts of documentation and first hand accounts. i find what you preech disgusting and rather than slandering the jewish people, you should take a second to evaluate what you believe.
parkerthehicks 4 months ago 3
God used ML for a specfic purpose at the right time=God's timing. It happened just a few yrs short of Gutenberg priting press invention & only a few miles from the action. Any and all issues ML had after the nailing of 95 Thesis on the catholic holiday called holloween*o* are moot and God made sure that they were! God saw the black stain of the dark ages needed His Marvelous Light. And He said Let there be Light and it was good. Protestantism was the move of GOD. Amen!
jesusisonlyway 6 months ago 2
@PeiperJ2
I already answered that objection of yours.
Look, don't be that guy. Don't be the guy who stubbornly repeats arguments over and over again in a futile attempt to win a debate.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@PeiperJ2
Was he a man of God? Yes. Was he righteous? Not he himself. Only insomuch as Christ's righteousness was imputed to him. That's straight from Luther's own theology.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
I will rephrase my question to make it easier to answer.
You wrote that the degree in which Luther is wrong about his theological arguments is even greater than claiming that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners.
Would you be willing to regard a person who argues that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners as an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect?
Is Luther as an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
Luther is an authoritative religious teacher only in some areas. This is true of every scholar of every subject. In theology, John Calvin or Martin Luther are useful in some areas, but not others. In philosophy, David Hume is useful in some areas, but not others. The list goes on. You can't say that just because a person made some bad mistakes in certain areas of their teachings that they should be shunned and discarded altogether. That's intellectual murder.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> Luther is an authoritative religious teacher only in some areas.
Is the answer to my question that the hypothetical person who argues that the bible tells us to have multiple homosexual partners in fact *can* be an authoritative religious teacher worthy of your respect, except in that one area?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
It's possible. I'll give you another example. Augustine probably articulated the Trinity better than any writer before or after him. But he had a horrible doctrine of justification. However, this doesn't somehow botch his writings on the Trinity. Where's the logic in that? And this applies to other subjects too, as I showed.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> It's possible.
Christians truly are wonderfully tolerant and forgiving when it comes to offenses committed by Christians. When you consider Luther's Jew hatred or, for example, the pedophile priests of the Catholic church, it is great to see that no grudges are held against the perpetrators because of their misdemeanors.
jtoksa1 7 months ago
I would like to return to your statement that "it was not the Bible that fueled Luther's anti-Semitism".
As I explained, your statement is diametrically opposed to the truth. Would you like to explain your view?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
We're going back to square one. Almost this entire discussion has been comment after comment arguing and explaining my view how it was not from valid Biblical deductions that Luther argued for anti-Semitism insomuch as the Bible in no way justifies such views. If you're not able to follow or comprehend, I have no time for you.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
You argue that Luther's deductions are not valid. Yet Luther most definitely thought that they *are* valid.
Was Luther deliberately deceiving his readers in order to incite hatred against the Jewish population?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@PeiperJ2
I don't know if I know the Bible better than Luther. But again, it was not the Bible that fueled Luther's anti-Semitism. You yourself criticized his theological deductions.
Now either provide a valid Biblical argument for anti-Semitism or stop wasting my time.
AgApE010 7 months ago
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@AgApE010
> it was not the Bible that fueled Luther's anti-Semitism
You could not possibly make a statement more uninformed than this.
It *absolutely* was the bible which fueled Luther's hatred.
In his book he uses the bible over and over again to prove that Jews are the "devil's incarnates" and that god actually hates Jews even more than he does.
> provide a valid Biblical argument
His arguments are in his book. Reading the book is a requisite of understanding them. Are you going to?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
> I don't know if I know the Bible better than Luther
You wrote that you know the bible well enough to know that no valid antisemitic argument can be derived from it.
Logically, this can only be true if at least one of the following three conditions is true:
1. Luther deliberately and systematically misrepresented the bible to incite hatred against a people
2. Luther does not understand the bible as well as you do
3. You statement is untrue
Which of the above statements is/are true?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
You're a logic novice, my friend. Don't even try your rhetoric here.
As I explained in my last comment, Luther can botch his Biblical expertise in one area without it affecting other areas. Ironically, you cite logic whilst violating it.
Therefore, Luther can be wrong concerning the Jews but spot on concerning Justification and the human need of divine grace as per his magnum opus, "On the Bondage of the Will."
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> You're a logic novice, my friend
One who resorts to ad hominem arguments is out of valid ones.
> Luther can botch his Biblical expertise in one area without it affecting other areas
So, he was *not* an expert on the bible with regard to those verses which he used in "On the Jews and their lies", but he was more adept in *other* parts of the bible?
Didn't Luther translate the bible into German language?
Option #2 is the one closest to the truth, then?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
I didn't resort to ad hom. An ad hom would be basing my entire argument on attacking your character rather than your point. Bit I proceeded to show the illogical nature of your argument. Thus, not ad hom.
No, he was not employing his expertise in such arguments. I've read some of Luther's commentaries on the Bible and he is otherwise a good exegete.
Yes, he translated the Bible into German. So?
Your "options" were a false dilemma, as I showed.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> he was not employing his expertise in such arguments
> he is otherwise a good exegete
How do assess the value of his arguments when you have not read the book where they appear?
> he translated the Bible into German. So?
If a translator does not understand a text, there is no way that the translation is going to be an accurate representation of the original.
Was the quality of Luther's bible translation complained about by his contemporaries or in later times?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
"How do you assess the value of his arguments"
I already answered that. Stop repeating yourself.
Concerning the translation: We're not arguing concerning the quality of his translation, but of his derivation of doctrine from it. For instance, Miguel Servetus read the entire Bible in its original languages. But he was one of the worst theologians in all history.
You seem to be very new to this topic and yet want to teach others.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
I am confused.
Luther was competent enough to translate the entire bible. He was a leading theologian of his time.
Yet he was so incompetent that he got all of his theological deductions completely wrong in "On the Jews and their lies"?
And not only did he get them all wrong, he did not even realize his own incompetence, being adamant about the validity of his arguments.
Do you *really* buy this explanation?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
You can't simply ignore my points. I explained to you that Servetus read the entire Bible -not merely translated, but read- in its original languages and he was the worst theologian in history. Arius knew Greek way better than Luther and his Christology was completely unbiblical.
Just because a person knows the original language of the Bible doesn't mean that they're always going to be right in what they say about it.
AgApE010 7 months ago
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@AgApE010
Was Luther in fact deliberately deceiving his readers and misrepresenting the bible in order to incite hatred against the Jewish population?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> I already answered that. Stop repeating yourself.
Would it hurt to actually read the book so that you would be able to assess the arguments themselves?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> We're not arguing concerning the quality of his translation, but of his derivation of doctrine from it
Do you believe that despite of his complete and utter misunderstanding of one of the central messages he would have been able to produce an bible translation which was faithful to to the original?
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
Yes, he can translate the Bible without being a good exegete or theologian. There is no chain of reasoning that can lead you to say "because this person knows Greek and Hebrew, he must therefore always have valid arguments from the Bible." On the contrary, I've given you two examples of people who surpassed Luther in their knowledge of Biblical languages and who yet were poor theologians.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
> You seem to be very new to this topic and yet want to teach others.
Ad hominem again.
I am only trying to get straight answers, formulating my questions so that it should be easy to answer them in an unambiguous manner.
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
"Ad hominem again"
Nope. It's not an Ad Hom. Can I recommend a good book for you for beginner's logic? And it certainly isn't "again" because I showed how your last accusation was also invalid in that I did not commit ad hom fallacy. You overlooked my explanation of your error and proceeded to repeat the same error again.
Thus, I think I've given you enough chances to have a rational discussion. We're pretty much done here than.
Take care.
AgApE010 7 months ago
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@PeiperJ2
I can comment on the quality of his arguments because I know the Bible well enough to know that one cannot formulate good arguments for anti-Semitism from it.
AgApE010 7 months ago
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AgApE010 7 months ago
@PeiperJ2
No, I already told you I haven't. But if Luther is using the Bible, which speaks of Israel as God's chosen people for whom God has a future plan of salvation, it is pretty obvious that his anti-Semitic arguments from it would be flimsy. Thus, it is Luther's anti-Semitism, not Biblical teachings, that drive such beliefs.
To put it simply, I dare anyone to formulate valid arguments from the Bible for the anti-Semitism that Luther displayed.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@AgApE010
Did you just remove your last comment?
So, you can tell that Luther's arguments are substandard and false even though you do not even bother reading them, because you have read the bible. This is equivalent to writing that a person is an expert in polymer physics because he has read all of Shakespeare's works.
Why not quite simply read the book and THEN comment Luther's arguments and tell me what's wrong with them? I cannot explain you what they are because they take tens of pages.
jtoksa1 7 months ago
@jtoksa1
No, I edited and re-posted the comment. It's here.
Now you're just being absurd. There is no relevance between polymer physics and Shakespeare. However, there is a relevance between the Bible and Luther's claims about the Bible.
So, for instance, if someone claims that the Bible says God wants us to have multiple homosexual partners, I don't have to read their book to know they're wrong. To drive the point home,the idea of anti-Semitism being Biblical is even more absurd than this.
AgApE010 7 months ago
@PeiperJ2
Oh, I'm sure he attempted to justify his opinions from the Bible. It is not like Luther to say something and not quote the Bible in saying it. However, I think it's clear that it was anti-Semitism firstly that was driving him, not valid theological deductions.
You do understand that no Protestant approves of *everything* Luther said and did, right?
AgApE010 7 months ago
@PeiperJ2
I haven't, but Luther is widely known for being anti-Semitic, as most people were in his time. Not that this excuses him. But it wasn't as if Luther was the originator and perpetuation of these views.
AgApE010 7 months ago
"from now on baby" wtf
FukCommando 7 months ago
everyone in this comment war needs to get a life and stop commenting on this and writing entire pharagraphs about how jews were killed. good they killed 6 million jews we get that. thanks
codyjez 8 months ago
Dear Delusional,
You NEED to believe in Jesus.....understand ?
The Jews created GOD, Christians made his son and the Muslins have the ultimate prophet.........what a pathetic race we are.
AntiStupidity4Ever 8 months ago
My Dear Christians....if the Bible is the word of GOD can anyone show me the page where he mentions the birthplace or birthdate of his son ?
Thanks
AntiStupidity4Ever 8 months ago
@AntiStupidity4Ever ---Bethlehem is where he was born..................
lilbeaveymac 8 months ago
@lilbeaveymac - I'm not interested in your opiniom.....SHOW me in the Bible....where does it say THAT.
Tell me the page, verse and all of that good stuff
AntiStupidity4Ever 8 months ago
@AntiStupidity4Ever what do you think the star of Bethlehem is about???? they had to flee bethlehem.matthew 2:1 actually talks about it.plain and simple.
instead of reading the outdated king james version from the 1600's read a modern version of the bible,one thats in modern slang ect.
lilbeaveymac 8 months ago
@lilbeaveymac - page/verse ?
AntiStupidity4Ever 8 months ago
@AntiStupidity4Ever i just told you matthew 2;1 -matthew chapter 2 verse 1-simple
lilbeaveymac 8 months ago
Aus einem traurigen Arsch kommt kein fröhlicher Furz...
Aberwitz88 9 months ago
Luther grew up with the Catholic Faith, Protestantism was unknown to him as a child, it was unknown to him as a priest, it was unknown to him when he posted his 95 theses, and even unknown to him when he first called the pope the antichrist and was appealing to a general council. But, at some point in time he came up with Protestantism, but it was just an invention of a man. Protestants have thus embraced a purely man-created religion which Luther was inventing and reinventing by the day.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1, Martin Luther, stood against papal abuse of power and tyranny, he issued the Roman hierarchy a 95 thesis, of things which needed correcting, including the sale of indulgences . The belief of salvation by faith rather than through the works of sinful unrepentent men, is scriptural and is the gospel message of salvation.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:8 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
TheNarniaPostOffice 9 months ago
@TheNarniaPostOffice Did you know that he came up with sola fide while on the toilet?? No, bet you didnt know that. He was throwing excrament back and forth with the devil when he made it up. But your not going to listen to anything im telling you, youll just ignore the facts.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 @YeshuaisYahweh1, Surely if you got anything of value to say, there has to be a better form of rhetoric and choice of words than your use of vulgarity , but then again those who lack social skills of etiquette, have very little of value to share . Just remember those whom you esteem, also use the toilet and more than likely do a lot of their thinking there.
TheNarniaPostOffice 9 months ago
@TheNarniaPostOffice "Indeed in one of his many 'anal' combats with the devil, in which Luther would challenge the devil to 'lick' his posterior. He thought that his best tactic might be to 'throw him into my anus where he belongs'" So he did come up with sola fide with the devil on the toilet. He claims it was "knowelge the Holy Spirit gave me on the privy in the tower" And YES, he did say these things.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1, From your vivid sexual imagination, it leaves one to wonder what occupies your time.
Let me guess, you have nothing to do with the gospel message, but are hiding behind aoccupies
TheNarniaPostOffice 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1,From your vivid and perverted imagination, it leaves one to wonder what occupies your nursery pastimes . In regard of christian beliefs, you know nothing. You are hiding behind a mask to create hate and disunity. You are in reality a worshipper of the dark side and your use of language exposes your unrepented heart.
TheNarniaPostOffice 9 months ago
@TheNarniaPostOffice Hey, im just quoteing his own words. And you should read his letters to Melaganthon, and his table talk. I do not have a "sexual" imagination. I am celebate.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 can i point out, that Luther is renowned for his earthy language, the whole point of his message was it's simplicity!
the only people obsessed with sex are the celibate, and the slut.
truelieswow 9 months ago
@truelieswow "I myself saw and touched at Dessay, a child of this sort, which had no human parents, but had proceeded from the Devil. He was twelve years old, and, in outward form, exactly resembled ordinary children."
Thats Martin Luther for you.
YeshuaisYahweh1 9 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 your point being? i'm not defending luther, but his language was used for a purpose and it was incredibly effective.
you find me one major religion that has no hatred at all, you get a cookie.
truelieswow 9 months ago
Prots Molest at a Rate of 40:1 in comparison with Catholics
Jew Rabbis at over 100:1
Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches
By Jonathan Morris
(Fox News) The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the 3 major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in USA say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.'
260 Protestant Incidents TO 9!
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
Plus thetVatican's renowned complicity in Fascism, costing the lives of millions of people.
Google search..Vatican Cover Up of Nazi Gold Continues
TheNarniaPostOffice 8 months ago
Jewish Bolshevik Communists killed 66 million Christians in Russia.
Germany fought agains them.
USA allied with the Jew Communists, we fought on the wrong side of the war.
Thank goodness the Church supported Germany.
JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY! JEWS OF ALL THE WORLD UNITE.
London Daily Express Headline 1933
60 Million died. The result? Communism SPREAD to 11 nations.
World Government via UN
IsraHell stolen from the Palestinians
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
Luther was backed by Jewry and Rabbis.
He Allied with them. Then was Betrayed by them, and then wrote JEWS AnD THEIR LIES.
It was too late, Europe would be cast into a 30 year war, that benefitted Jewry, which had been under control
Dr Bernard Nathanson of NARAL wrote in CONFESSIONS OF AN X ABORTIONIST, how Jews Allied with Protestants against the Pro Life Catholics to Pass Roe V Wade in 1973.
You and yours have the Blood of 53 Million babies on your hands.
JEWRY IS the Anti Christ.
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
@StSimonMartyr, You show your ignorance and stupidty, with your cunning ability to twist history. What of all the murders of of protestants at the hands of the catholic inquisition as set up by the 'holy catholc church', men, women and children died in their millions and you support and worship a system of pagan religion which instigated that evil, clearly you are responsible for all those deaths as you are for the on going machinery of killing, hidden behind the mask of war.
TheNarniaPostOffice 8 months ago
protestant is freedom from religion,and they follow the bible,protestant is basically non denominational christian.
lilbeaveymac 8 months ago
@lilbeaveymac Sure they follow the bibel huh..tell me find me where the bible has the words faith alone and post the verse please?...Show me where the bible says it is the pillar and foundation and final authroity and not "The church of the living GOD, the pillar and foundation of truth"?...Show me where in the bible it says instant salvation? Show me where in the bible the eucharist or baptism is symbolic?
gtepp031387 8 months ago
True luther hated jews, but how many did he actually kill? Now how many jews has the rcc killed? A few were killed in the spanish inquesition i hear...
heyouguys50 9 months ago
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We mustn't forget that some of Greatest Murderers of modern times were Jewish
YNET News Israel, Sever Plocker
Stalin's Jews
Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, GPU's Founder and Commander of the NKVD. Yagoda was responsible for the deaths of 20 million+
In 1917, Lenin signed a decree for the establishment Combating Counter-Revolution, aka Cheka. Cheka to GPU, NKVD, to KGB.
Cheka responsible for 20 million+ deaths, collectivization hunger, & mass death at Gulags'
StSimonMartyr 8 months ago
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he was so right about jews all those years ago
hcwcars1 9 months ago
wow, trolling before the internet sure was cool
MasterNinjaKitty 10 months ago
@MasterNinjaKitty If you think this is good trolling then wait till you learn about the Enlightenment.
studiousx3 9 months ago
Onchocerciasis schistosomiasis are major biological weapons and their use to create harm because of theological disposition will be prosecuted according to the law of conservation.
And to the sick people of earth suffering from rickettsial diseases, remember the evil doers of business law and medicine will face judgement for their choices.
hurryupche 10 months ago
"Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me."
"Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen."
Legilimentable 10 months ago
@Legilimentable My friend have you read Mrtin Luther the jews and there lies?
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387 nothing special... everyone hated the jews at the time... you would not find a human who is completely free of the societal influences of his/her time.
Legilimentable 10 months ago
@Legilimentable He just didn't hate them he burned them and killed them, and encouraged others to do the same. He removed 7 books from the bible,and even wanted the book of James thrown out to becaues it contridicted him. He believed he knew better then every saint and church father before him, calling them church babies that knew nothing. He founded a man made chuch, breaking people away from the church that Jesus established. He made up new believes that no one had ever hear of. Yea great guy
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387 Martin Luther together with Guttenberg cleared the path for literacy and education in the population, he believed the principle that we are all children of god, and usually children do not need their oldest brother to speak to their father indirectly. He believed in the human kind, in maturity to decide one's own fate, in the capability of each and every one of us to take on responsibility. He did not feed his own pride, greed and gluttony like the catholic church did at the time
Legilimentable 10 months ago
@Legilimentable In fact he did, he though he knew better then the intire church, that was established by Jesus Christ, he killed many jews, destroyed the bible, and claimed he was right in doing so. Just read some of the things he said, he has to be one of the most errogant men to ever walk the world.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@Legilimentable Just read Clement, Ignatious, and Polycarp. All three were ordained and taught face to face by the apostles and you will see your "church" is a modern nightmare
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387 For the time being we may assume that Jesus established the church. And so what? After 500 years of tradition and rituals the church had become an organizational monster, developing new rules and institutions that Jesus could definitely NOT foresee. Therefore, since the church was not close to Jesus anymore, any of its products that you mention cannot be legitimized by Jesus in what they said, did or wrote. And Columbus also knew better than everyone else, and he was right.
Legilimentable 10 months ago
@Legilimentable "Jesus could definitely NOT forsee" Intresting theory I suppose then when Jesus said "I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." He was speaking presumtiously then?
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387 yes, probably... jeez, he was a leader and said things that leaders say... and he was human, a great fellow and we could never reach his ideal, but still a human... and so he couldn't foresee things. If, however, you'd like to imply that he was more than human then I can understand the islamic critique on christianity. So, and now I won't discuss anymore. Fact is, Luther was a great man for human progress. Imagine where we'd be if we all were stuck in religion like you are obviously
Legilimentable 10 months ago
@Legilimentable Jesus was fully GOD yes, if thats what your asking. Islamic critique.. thats a good one, seeing as how they worship the same god as they allways have long before Muhamid ever came...and it isn't GOD.. shoot they even kept the name of there false god Allah.. the same name as there pagan moon god before Muhamid.. WOW and your ganna give me "Islamic critique"...thats a good one.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387where can i find that book?
100cybertron 9 months ago
@100cybertron The Jews and there lies is well documented, just do a search on google it, 20 sites will pop up that have the full document
gtepp031387 9 months ago
@DeizelMassacre foundation in the two most glorious apostels Peter and Paul. And becaues of this foundation the Roman church had preimminit authority. It had nothing to do with being the Imperial city as Constantinople tryed to mistakenly calim.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@DeizelMassacre Well i can not say the falling of the Roman empire had no affect on the split. It is true most of the problem stems from the 4th council when Constantinople mistakenly claimed that it held the same privlege as Rome, becaues it was the new Rome. This was never why the Roman bishop had the authority in the first place. One can read Irenaeus long before the Roman church had any political power who states around 150 A.D that the roman church must be agreeded with becaues of it's
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@DeizelMassacre Yes Rome fell a long time before the church split in 1054.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@DeizelMassacre Uhmm the Roman church never fell the Popes hold an unbroken line of sucession and by the way the Orthodox and Catholics split a long long time after Rome was sacked. Yes do some research thats a good idea.
gtepp031387 10 months ago
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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." - Matthew 7:16
TheCatholicCommunity 10 months ago
Martin Luther was a WOLF in SHEEPS CLOTHING!
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
He claimed to be Catholic and he acknowledged the AUTHORITY of the POPE.
He was a WOLF in SHEEPS CLOTHING, he is the reason why there are so many churches out there claiming to be "THE ONLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH"
There is only ONE CHRISTIAN CHURCH and that is the Catholic (Universal) Christian Church which existed before EVERY NON-CATHOLIC CHURCH!
TheCatholicCommunity 10 months ago
@Dman80512 - "why didn't they include the catholic church killing of Lutherans". Post me some links documenting the RCC's "killing" of Lutherans.
Snotra 10 months ago
@BlackPhantom559 the apostles never founded the Catholic Church, before then the apostles where traveling Clergy. So in that mind the Catholic church should have never exited
Dman80512 10 months ago
Why didn't they include Luther's quotes about exterminating the Jews?
Snotra 11 months ago
@Snotra why didn't they include the catholic church killing of Lutherans? Plus those are lies of the Catholic Church
Dman80512 10 months ago
@Snotra Stop.
studiousx3 9 months ago
this video is about the guy who split apart people and make everyone do what they want to believe and inspired people to create their own perspective about Christ and God.
GnlMachoman 1 year ago
What I don't get is how people like Luther can justify their actions with "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock I shall build my Church." Also he removed the books of James and Maccabeus from the bible because James said: "faith without works is dead" and Judas Maccabeus said: "Let us pray for our fallen brethren." To this day these quotes are in the KJ version of the bible, because after Luther died his followers put them back in.
billyslo87 1 year ago
Thank God that Martin opened the door to freedom from catholic church! We now as prostestants have freedom to not be under the chains of false teaching by the catholics, SOLA FIDA!!!!
dog3croom 1 year ago
@dog3croom And just where in the Bible does it say we are saved by faith alone? I know where it says we are not saved by faith alone, James 2:24 along with dozens of other verses, but no where does it say we are saved by faith alone. Do not be deceived by satan. Accept the one true faith of the Catholic Church, outside which there is no salvation.
1426jpg 1 year ago
@1426jpg then why did they have Homosexual acts and made people pay for salvation, which pushed Martin Luther to write. The Catholics will led you to hell.
Dman80512 10 months ago
Martin Luther was Judging when Christ told him not to...and the devil commanded him not only to judge the Pope and the leaders of the Church but to change its beliefs....Lucifer tried a similar reformation...
SanctioFides 1 year ago
@SanctioFides nice lie, if the catholics are so great then why did they kill Lutherans? Lucifer was in the Catholic Church and still is to this day. Martin wanted to get people to the truth of the bible not the popes truth.
Dman80512 10 months ago
People need to understand that there have always been disputes in the churchs history going back to the time of the apostles. Even the apostles disagreed amongst themselves. the reason im prostestant is because i do think that there are certain practices of the catholic church that are wrong, but im not gonna say all catholics are going to hell because there not protestant. thats absurd. and its also absurd of catholics to say all protestants, inclucing Luther, are going to hell
jamaicanification 1 year ago
@jamaicanification But thats what Catholics do
Dman80512 10 months ago
people on this thread need to stop saying "if your a protestant, you'll go to hell", or "if your a catholic you'll go to hell". That is just a wrong way to interpret christ's teaching on the body of believers. Im protestant and i dont think that people who are catholic go to hell. there are many people on both sides who embody what it means to be a true christian at heart. Take mother teresa. Shes catholic, but i as a protestant baptist consider her a true christian
jamaicanification 1 year ago
to all you commenting may i put your comments in a dotumentry im makeing for school, in on debate and deplomecy
darkamithist 1 year ago
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TheCatholicCommunity 1 year ago
@TheCatholicCommunity are you taking about the Pope?
Dman80512 10 months ago
Martin Luther was a WOLF in SHEEPS CLOTHING!
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
He claimed to be Catholic and he acknowledged the AUTHORITY of the POPE.
He was a WOLF in SHEEPS CLOTHING, he is the reason why there are so many churches out there claiming to be "THE ONLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH"
There is only ONE CHRISTIAN CHURCH and that is the Catholic (Universal) Christian Church which existed before EVERY NON-CATHOLIC CHURCH!
TheCatholicCommunity 1 year ago
@TheCatholicCommunity but not before God and Christ? you are saying that the Catholic church is more important then god and Christ
Dman80512 10 months ago
THE CATHOLIC (UNIVERSAL) CHRISTIAN CHURCH
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THE FULLNESS OF CHRISTIANITY IS AVAILABLE ONLY IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH
Catholic means Universal in Greek, Latin, English, etc.
TheCatholicCommunity 1 year ago
@TheCatholicCommunity the name comes form Humans not God, God has no need for names
Dman80512 10 months ago
Luther had wonderful ideas. But in terms of his personality; he was a dick
09smitel 1 year ago
From now on baby, its down to you!
DelBluenose80 1 year ago
This video proves that we should not trust Luther, Popes, nor any man for that matter, we should trust in our Lord Jesus Christ our heavenly father and the Holy Spirit.
bigboyburnsy 1 year ago
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Lol you mad cuz u can't call him st. Luther and pray to him lol.... Ur part of the roman church!!!!! Not the church of christ!!!!
solf08 1 year ago 2
Luther simply wanted to be Pope. He was never able to reconcile his new found faith alone non-sense with scripture James 2:17. Thats why he wanted to leave the book of St. James out of his translation he aslo had problems with Revelations. Luther was also a Jew hating anti-semmit who was instrumental in many, many anabaptists being burned at the stake even though he originally had been against it.
MrOphachew 1 year ago
What documentary is this from? What's the name of it??? I have a research paper due for high-school but I can't put it as a source unless I know the attribute. Any ideas? Anyone? cccamn? x
theadora10 1 year ago
@theadora10 Its from a documentary called Empires, which normally concentrates on just that, Empires, i.e Rome , Egypt etc etc. But this was a two part special on Luther
bigderekkeene 1 year ago
BTW this is the second episode.
analyticaa 1 year ago
We must remember when God moves He does not give a name to his moving,Men apply names to give it clarity and definition
edavisdavis 1 year ago 3
@edavisdavis woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
gtepp031387 1 year ago 2
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@edavisdavis woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 no man deserves glory that includes the Pope, the Jews left god when they killed Christ and the Catholics left God when they committed Homosexual acts and did nothing about it.
Dman80512 10 months ago
@Dman80512 Actually man does and gets the glory that GOD gave Jesus in John 17:20-22 and anyone who commited homosexual acts is going to be judged by GOD, and the church has done things about it they have made them leave the priesthood. The Catholic church can not be seperated from GOD as the gates of hell will never prevail against it! The Pope never declared himself GOD where do you come up with this nonesence?
gtepp031387 10 months ago
The saviour of Christianity and of Christs message.
mjgray32 1 year ago 7
@mjgray32 I thought the savior of Christianity was, is, and will always be Jesus Christ.
TheGallantGentry 10 months ago
@TheGallantGentry he means from going to the devil the Catholics would have taken it their. with Homosexual acts in Rome, which made Martin go away from the Catholic Church.
Dman80512 10 months ago
@mjgray32 then why is catholocism more popular?
truelieswow 9 months ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
@TheSixStringRevolver's- TheChurch is the body of Christ. How old is your faith? RCC dated around 5th century? Sheesh, friend we already had 40 Popes by then. Here is some small example of the Church's existence before 5th century..Ignatius Letter to the Smyrnaeans, just to name a few. You need to read the history of Christianity dating before Martin Luther's deformation.
Snotra 1 year ago
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Ignatius says the Church is Catholic. You take that to mean that he is speaking of your Roman Catholic Church. That is wrong. "Catholic" literally means "universal." Ignatius was saying that the Church is Catholic, that is, universal, consisting of both Jew and Gentile and saints all over the world. In that sense, I too am a part of the Catholic Church, not the Papist Church.
AgApE010 1 year ago
Martin Luther is in hell, i heard.
ferrari4sale 1 year ago
@ferrari4sale so much for unity in the world, huh? condemning people..he could of repented so...just saying
Fez1408 1 year ago
@ferrari4sale I heard you guys got a Nazi Pope? is this true
Dman80512 10 months ago
One man single handedly changed hundreds of years of christian theology. If it weren't for him this would be a catholic country. Religion. Gotta love it.
debauchery73 1 year ago
i like the deist part that came out of what he did.
CJmate8 2 years ago
What is the name of this documentary? Anyone know?
farleylives 2 years ago
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Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Blessings
Thanks Ben
2besavedcom 2 years ago
Paddles001 - Ephesians 1:22-23, "And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."
Snotra 2 years ago
By the Church I mean the people of the church, which are men, which are imperfect. I'll be honest in saying that verse confuses me, but I can't see where it says we are perfect.
By the definition of Church i meant, it would mean that me, you, Luther, the Pope and any other members of the body of Christ were perfect?
I'm so sorry for any misunderstanding
Paddles011 2 years ago
"Well man is not perfect, and neither is the church".... The body of Christ (The Church) is not perfect?
Snotra 2 years ago
I'd have to say no, the church is not perfect. Is that scriptually incorrect?
Paddles011 2 years ago
bevvylovesjesus - Amen!
Snotra 2 years ago
Not a reformation, a deformation! Which one of the 33.000 protestant faiths to date is the correct one?
Snotra 2 years ago
Christ is the only correct way.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
bevvylovesjesus 2 years ago
Well man is not perfect, and neither is the church. Luther sort after truth, and rejected many Catholic teachings of the time, obviously corrupt. If you can't admit yourself to that, you're kidding yourself. As to who's more "correct", I'm not going to comment. But please don't call it a deformation. Give honour where honour is due. He did nothing other then to try and glorify God's name
Paddles011 2 years ago
"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Snotra 2 years ago
JustifiedSlave - Christ.
Snotra 2 years ago
Who give the Catholic church to execommunicate somebody?
JustifiedSlave 2 years ago
Luther writes that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[1] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[2] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[3] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated
mjc1377 2 years ago
@mjc1377 lie from the Catholic Church
Dman80512 10 months ago
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Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
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conceil8 2 years ago
Thank you Lord for your Servant Martin.
MrBiblia 2 years ago
P.S. You are not behaving biblically in your speech towards me. YOU sir are sinning.
Luke 6:41-32
Where is your compassion, your love? If you believe in grace then you should have some, brother. Even Martin Luther didn't believe all Catholics were lost. Neither do I believe all Lutherans are, but some are.
bereansearch 2 years ago
Oh, how you LOVE to accuse people of sin! Not uncommon for those who do not understand the proper distinction between LAW AND GOSPEL.
I recommend that you apply your motto of "Semper Reformanda" and actually read up on this subject. I recommend "Law and Gospel" by F.W. Walther.
You should apply Luke 6 to yourself! Amazing how you on the one hand accuse me of sin, and then judge me!
Luther considered all Monks and Priests to be LOST. Don't make me dust my Luther collection and start quoting.
MrBiblia 2 years ago
P.S.- Pick up a copy of Timothy Lull's "Basic Writings of Martin Luther" and read his Treaties on the Blessed Sacrament.
At least if you're going to accuse Martin Luther of being wrong... you should be informed.
MrBiblia 2 years ago
In the words of Martin Luther, unless you can convince me by scipture where I am wrong, I can not and will not recant. (which should also be done lovingly, according to scripture) My conscience is captive to the Word of God, here I stand I can do no other.
bereansearch 2 years ago