HP proprietary motherboard and power supply problems...

[jingo500]

Hi there. I've been doing almost exactly the same thing, but transferring the d530s into a compaq case. I was able to remove the cpu heatsink compartment from the compaq, and pop it into the scewholes in the d530, and securing it with the little plastic tension pins that fit into the corner holes. I am curious how you would have sorted out the front I/O pinouts tho, as they are attached to the mobo with a single plug, rather than separate ones for led/pwr on. Cheers from nz :)

[ClickHereForGuru]

All is not lost, get your multimeter and soldering iron out ;)

[fortyaider]

How do you know the motherboard is good on the slimline HP? I got a Slimline Hp with the same type of power supply. The computer turns on but all it does is spin the fans, I figured it was either the motherboard or the power supply, but I can't test the motherboard because I don't have another slimline power supply. I don't want to assume the power supply is good just because the computer turns on.

[cbiltcliffe]

@fortyaider The connector on this one is standard ATX. You can plug a standard power supply in to test it, but you'll have to run it with the cover open.

Check the connector wiring between both PSUs before plugging in, as they sometimes change things just to be annoying. As long as they're the same, testing is simple.

[fortyaider]

@cbiltcliffe The motherboard on the HP slimline I have doesn't have a standard atx connector. It uses a propritary(sp) connector, it's smaller than a regualr atx connector.

[cbiltcliffe]

@fortyaider Smaller than the older 20 pin ATX? Weird. But not really surprising.

Could you get a photo of it and send it to me? I'll PM you my email address if you can do that.

You could always rig up an adapter to go from standard ATX to HP weirdo connector. I think the voltages should all be the same, provided there isn't some strange "ThisIsTheCorrectProprietaryPS­U" signal line.

That's assuming you're comfortable with wiring something up.

[fortyaider]

@cbiltcliffe I don't have a digital camera, or else I would send you a pic. The type of connector is called a Micro-Fit ATX plug/connector. I might order an adapter so I can plug in a regular PSU in to the MB and make sure it's not the PSU that is bad. I have a feeling the PSU is good but the motherboard is toast.

[cbiltcliffe]

@fortyaider Wow. They're pretty rare. I might have seen one or two of them in years. Couldn't tell you the pinout offhand, or where to find an adapter, either.

If you've got a multimeter, you can measure voltages off the PSU, which will tell you if something's missing, or badly out of spec. A bit more work, but cheaper than an adapter, provided you've already got the meter.

[fortyaider]

@cbiltcliffe I don't have a multimeter, but I am sure I can borrow one. Thanks for the suggestion and the help.

[pooooo52]

i google power supply for Hp Pavilion Slimline. didnt cost 200.00, cost same as big pc power supply

[cbiltcliffe]

@pooooo52 New, or used? Also, keep in mind that this video was posted 2 years ago. Things change a lot in the industry in that time.

[tubewinkle]

So this is NOT about HP power supplies, is it? It's about the power supplies in slimline PC enclosures? Yes?

[cbiltcliffe]

@tubewinkle Exactly. I mention that in either this video, or another one I have where I'm swapping a Dell motherboard into a generic case due to the exact same problem.

[1800BAUD]

eMachines use Bestec PSU's, replace them. They will blow the motherboard.

[link093]

I used to work on these HP's when I worked in the field, we would get loads of them from company buyouts. I've had at least 5 of them explode on me.

[eon5700]

it's a great video, although i cannot keep track of how many times you said "umm"

[AwesomeDude775]

just frankenstein the power supply in

[AwesomeDude775]

screw that piece of metal. you dont need a back plate. i dont use them.

[doct0rthrill]

hate hp. crap of the crop

[ndnavi2015]

This guy doesn't even know that the emachines uses an micro atx motherboard and hp uses mini itx duh

[cbiltcliffe]

@ndnavi2015 Duh right back at you.

One look at the HP board in the vid and you'll see it's a lot bigger than the 6.7 x 6.7 inch standard of MiniITX.

Look before you speak.

[MrGomobo]

@ndnavi2015 the HP has a miniATX so STFU!

[kodoku7otaku]

stoopid indeed. u

[slayernater]

You're talking about combining a Business class machine with a low level machine ment for every day schmucks...

[computergeekguy]

CUT IT OFF AND WELD IT



[ForTheSwarmTV]

I have a standard power supply (big and square) it is 300 watt but i have a slimline tower with a 220 watt slim power supply, could i connect the 300 watt to the slimline but leave it out of the case? I'm pretty sure it's got the same connections it just won't fit inside the case.

[ZarCus1984]

What if you blew up your mother? huh! obviously you can't replace it with any motherboard! for some reason or for obvious reason! haha this funny,,, lucky for me I did not made a mistake when i bought my PC Acer Aspire it comes with all standard feature!

[TOMSTEVE123]

Thank you for the videos (I liked both this one and the Dell story), I was about to pick up a refurbished D530 (or a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo/Scenic, same story: the same fan cools the PSU and the CPU ), now I've obviously changed my mind.

Btw. Ever considered applying for a second job as a radio DJ or something? :) Your comments are really fluent, coherent and funny at the same time.

[donpalmera]

I'm not getting why HP are stupid for making boards that fit their cases..

[HCMusicAlliance]

Hmm, the Emachines mobo looks like an AMD socket (They use the clips) and the HP looks like your standard socket 775 (Although its probably 478 since those PCs came out in 04) which use screws or push-ins. But yeah the built on I/O plate is silly, My suggestion is saw it off and place the e machines I/O plate on the EM motherboard and that will hold the i/o in place.

[reddragon27284]

Emachines use bad power supplies that put out too much voltage on the 5v standby rail which is what probably blew the motherboard in the first place. I've dealt with tons of those bags of crap and wouldn't bother wasting my money on it nor recommend anyone else do. It's just cheap rubbish.

[Pedroxpvista]

Well said!

[MixerVM]

Just mount the mobo without I/O plate and put the clips on the Hp board

[xn67]

I am wondering what HP that was? Looks like a small compact desktop. Do all HPs have this power supply? My older HP from around this time of this video has a normal and almost surprising 310 power supply. I know in the end though, even if you wanted to put these two computers together, you'd have a piece of junk still because both look like the base sempronish base models that I have sitting in my closet collecting dust.

[3101010]

Its like your trying to build a Ford out of GMC parts. wtf? pointless video.

[fodo191]

stupid man use the mother bord vith back plate and the steall plate

[irulethe70s]

HP SUCKS HAIRY DICK!

[kyismaster]

cut the port plate.

[xXmilesdavisXx]

I officially hate all computer companies, going to build all my own my computer, they are money hungry jack fucks, it seems like everyone else knows the game plan except big filthy corporations like HP, idk who has all the officially patented type of computer ports and stuff, but almost every company follows normal procedure and makes every part compatible with each other. HP has ripped me off completely one time to, got different graphics card then what I ordered.

[Ltb0b]

facepalm*

[whiskeyify]

I've never worked on one with the proprietary power supply...I wonder what if it could be fixed.. I'm sure our shop could do it. We fixed anything electronic and have a good tv tech etc. Maybe the components or parts are hard to get. We had a monitor come in and could not get the part here in the U.S. so one of customers contacted a friend overseas and was able to get the part for us.

[1AppleMaker]

I was able to attach the HP motherboard with its tray in a standard ATX case. No problems at all. Standard PSU works flawlessly. :)

[Glen7628]

YOU SAID THE SAME THING 3 TIMES ABOUT HP AND THEIR MAIN CONCERNS OF PROTECTING THEIR INTERESTS... RATHER THEN SERVING THEIR CUSTOMERS.LOL- 3 TIMES! IT IS JUST EVERY TIME YOU MENTIONED IT, YOU ACTED LIKE YOU DID NOT SAY IT just a minute ago!. ARE YOU HIGH? AND WHY DID YOU START TO SWEAT IT AND GET NERVOUS ABOUT SAYING THINGS ABOUT HP AT THE END OF YOUR VIDEO? DO YOU THINK HP CARES ABOUT YOUR DUMB ASS YOU TUBE VIDEOS? lol! MAN...YOUR SUCH A DWEEB!!

[klote2314]

man its ffin obivous these are SLIMLINE pc's!

they arent meant to be upgradeble they are like laptops!

[klote2314]

man u could know this

slimline pc's to normal systems most of the time just dont work

try searching at ebay for a dell psu that fits on your motherboard

[KillerX3189]

I like you. Keep on makng more hardware videos. Subbed!

[thatsmybucket]

I repair computers for extra cash and i've had first hand experience with these HP slimlines, i'm not sure the exact model of the computer the poster was working on with this computer, but ALL the hp's i've had used a different power supply atx adapter. the adapter is on the mobo and it's smaller than a standard one. you can't buy them anywhere except for 25 dollars shipped. it's incredible what HP does to screw over there customers

[MacCreator]

I make my money by repairing computers and the brand I hate the most is Dell. Them and the BTX case design and not the standard ATX design makes it so hard to get replacement parts. I know HP uses their standard design, but the difference is HP computers are more reliable than Dell computers. I have to buy old working Dell's (that barely happens) and save them for parts. Why can't every company use ATX?

[LFCforEver12341]

why the **** would you buy a pre-built computer? at least replace the psu.. idiot.

[chieftp]

well that's 10 minutes I'll never get back. why do people make a 10 minute video for 2 minutes worth of "information?" 

[kyll3r14]

nnice vid men : )

[ipodtouch20]

Do the HP Elite models use the same kind of PSU?

[smpstech]

Careful with that Bestec ATX-250-12E in the Emachines, that is what probably killed the motherboard with it's famous overshooting of the 5vsb, killing the southbridge.

[dreamingawakeTX]

I don't know where to start. I don't know why you even bothered to post a video that is nothing but you bitching.

The HP Slimline is what's called a mini-ITX form factor, it's a legitimate form factor and every issue you had with the Slimeline is with the form factor, not HP. Many manufacturers use that form factor and all there power supplies are different, but similar. So my question is why don't you search for a mini-ITX form factor power supply and modify that? I know why . . . laziness.

[BikerBry]

This is a joke.

1st thing, what does "blown" a motherboard mean? If someone told me my motherboard was "blown" I'd question their intellegence.

2nd, how would you even figure an IBM Deskstar is going bad in 6 months?

I would guess your "professional" opinion is merely a guess and you really have no clue.

All of your parts are JUNK! NOBODY with a brain would buy it and the people that do DON"T care if it is standard or upgradable. You miss the point and call them stupid? Hmmm....

[Richard90066]

HP computers are CRAP. The way HP corp treats customers is even worse.

[HBeagley]

Get your powertools out and cut the backing plate of the stupid HP Tray thing!

[yohan4ws]

uhm .. thats a really good .. uhm ... video .. uhm .. =)

I know what you mean, I've serviced 2 and within the same price range as a power supply plus shipping I've been able to swap out the mobo and case with standard components. Although when swapping the mobo, HP's heatsync was discovered to ALSO be non standard. How about them apples?

[lastwinj]

looks like a standard 1U power supply to me. common, relatively cheap.

[SilverWolfz7]

ahhhummmm.....

[whiskeyify]

I think the complaint here is not nothing is interchangeable, in other words we can't salvage parts to use to repair another machine.

That power supply we could probably fix it, we fix all kinds of tv's, big screens etc. so we have the know how to fix a power supply but most computer shops would not be able to.

[mcooperstein]

I think you missed the point regarding why HP/Compaq/Dell made proprietery motherboard/PSU systems. "Slimline" configurations neccessitate a smaller "non standard" PSU and a smaller MB so that it will fit in the case. A standard PSU will NOT accomodate a case of 'small' dimensions. It is NOT greed, it is neccessity plain and simple.

[MN12BIRD]

I just fixed one of those e-machines too. The PSU went and took out the mobo! Typical e-machine PSU blows the 5V rails and kills the mobo! Hahaha it also had the IBM Deathstar in it and guess what... it went like 2 weeks after I fixed it! Funny you mention that! Never seen that backing plate/mobo tray one piece design yet. Man that is HP for ya! That's the problem with those SFF business machines. Why people actually want those is beyond me! Those little PSU's always go and then cost!

[sangjinrho]

I hate how I can't replace my stupid ass 300W power supply out for a better one... now i have a 580W power supply hanging outside my computer, powering up all my shit... so messy...

[ofighter]

just as a question, is it possible to transfer, processor, ram, hard drive, dvd from hp slimline to another motherboard and case?

[37474748]

yes they will...

[computersmasher]

yes, but a big pain in the ass in the process

[cbiltcliffe]

To the guy who left the insulting comment with some choice language on it.

Leave that off my videos. I've deleted it not because of what you said, but how you said it.

And you obviously live in a different part of the world than me, as this power supply, quoted from the manufacturer, was nearly as much as a new computer.

Is it repairable? Certainly. But not for anything approaching a reasonable cost, even if I included no labour costs in it.

[hrbear]

@cbiltcliffe Ask the customer, so you keep the mobo, the cd rom, the keyboard and the mouse. Find a used old case in a good condition, usually people who upgrade, get rid of the old PSU too. Install the parts in the case using the PSU you got. Don't worry about the backplane, just don't install backplane plate at all. The air cooling would be better. I have an ASUS mobo which a friend of mine offered me, but he lost the backplane plate. I installed the mobo without it and I have better air flow.

[pyster]

The parts to fix this power supply are under $100 btw. The 2024SMALLCONVERTER cable will cost you about $24 shipped, and the psu will cost you about $55.

The labor costs for almost any work makes buying a new machine a better option for many people. The raping on a standard machine -vs- a proprietary machine are going to be the same.

[FragileBitch]

Thanks for suggestion mister

[helipro555]

umm

[Abs9106]

The psu fitted but only 2 of the screws went in so its kinda hanging a little but i have my computer horizontally on the floor anyway. Ive also put a graphics card in there. I had some probolems with this aswell. Basically it woudnt fit properly and i had to bend some non functional metal on the card so it could slot in.

[Abs9106]

Hey guys.

Basically ive got a hp dc7600 (says minitower on sandra, but its a sff computer).

And the issue is i want to put everything in a new case and this guide i was reading said that makers like hp sometimes use proprietary parts such as the motherboard. Now im kinda worried that the motherboard wont fit a standard ATX case. Ive already upgraded thepsu with little difficulty....

[FragileBitch]

I had a real problem with PSU when I played every 3d game such as Resident evil 5 SAW Cpu will shut down itself but I still saw light in Cpu case so that's mean something gone wrong to PSU so can I fix it by my ownself?

[cbiltcliffe]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's the PSU. Probably, but not guaranteed.

The light you're seeing inside is the standby power light. It's on when the computer isn't.

If the computer blue screens and crashes without rebooting for some reason (seen it happen) then it will do this exact thing.

Get a PSU from somewhere with a good return policy and try it out. If it doesn't work, take it back.

[sbunkboy3]

What about a Flex ATX power supply? I was able to upgrade the proprietary 160W HP power supply on my HP Slimline s3400f to a Sparkle 270W Flex ATX 80plus PSU from CensusPC for $49.99, along with a 24-pin ATX Adapter to 20-pin MicroFit Adapter for the motherboard, for 24.99 (which is, unfortunately, wayyy overpriced). Anyway, a PSU upgrade from a proprietary measly HP PSU to a beefier 80plus Flex ATX PSU is possible, and can be done for ~80 bucks.

[cbiltcliffe]

$80.

Which is the same price as a new case _and_ a 5 year warranty 350 Watt PSU from one of my suppliers.

[sbunkboy3]

Ok, I'll take your word for it on those prices. 

My main point was that replacing a proprietary HP power supply IS possible, and can be done for less than the cost of a new computer. That's all I was trying to say.

[nicorahiah]

makes me glad i built my own computer :3

[LondonGuysVids]

Note to self, don't ever buy HP for anything.

[cbiltcliffe]

Depends on what the problem is. Is the fan on the PSU moving enough air? If it's not spinning properly, then it's pretty easy to fix, provided nothing has been damaged by the heat.  Pop the cover off the PSU, and replace the fan with a new one. You might have to de/re-solder the fan in, as a lot of them aren't plug in connectors to the circuit board.

But...what makes you think it can't be the VGA? That could be overheating, too....

Check all the fans, and message me if you need help.

[cbiltcliffe]

Could be your graphics card driver. Unlikely to be the card itself, unless you've seen some other visual artifacts or distortion during non-gaming computer use.

Could be power supply too, as the extra power used by the graphics card could overload the PSU, causing the reboot.

I'll PM you to sort it out...

[RebirthWoWGuild]

whenever i start up a video game like call of duty or WoW or just anythin like that my computer will restart suddenly, do you know if this would be a graphics card problem or a power supply problem?

[marauder2142]

wow HP sucks... and id take a hacksaw and saw it... but just for kicks lol :D

[Kenster1025]

Why don't you just Dremel it?

[cbiltcliffe]

Because I run a business, and this is for a customer.

I'd rather do the job properly. But with this crap, I pretty much can't.

[AnMaPa]

Thanks for this video. So, there's really nothing to do but buy a new PSU from HP?

[LUNDI01]

good video i have the same hp and i think not sure that i blew the psu.

how can i figure out that i only blew the psu not the motherboard??

[cbiltcliffe]

Connect a standard PSU up to it, but without installing it in the case (obviously).

If it works, it's just the PSU.

[hitachi088]

@cbiltcliffe

you can take a normal intel Mounting Plastic plate with LOCK-ON plastic thing .

put that on the MB instead of the other HP chit .

Mount that in a normal case , with a standard Power Supply .

Take small Ram Heatsink , and put some on the Mof-Set (looks like transistor , near the CPU)

take a normal Intel Heatsink , put it on the Socket .

put everything on place , and VOILA ! working PC !

it is what i did with mine ... (got it for free ,without a Power Supply of course)