The good acts that Jesus mentioned are born from the Jews and Gentiles who have repented of their sins and believed in Him alone for salvation, not because of our good works. NO PLEASE DON'T BE SENATOR MOORE!!!
You say "guiding". That implies their consent to a certain degree. If a child says to devout parents "I dont want to do this", you think those parents are going to say "Well, we were only guiding you, so it's OK if you don't want this....." Hardly. They'll just foce the child into the religion regardless. It's not guiding if it's not consensual. And it can't consensual if the kid's too young. Therefore, it's brainwashing. "No proof" referred to your assumption that your god has to be male.
@leizoure Bertrand Russel's teapot is a good one but you're making a hypocrite of yourself in this argument. In that instance, the burden of proof lies on you and your teapot. The point of that one is that any absurd idea which is unfalsifiable is just that.. absurd. The two aren't congruent as you present them, use a little caution.
What if he's only acting to be religious to inspire the 85% of American's who are Christians/Catholics to watch his movies!?!? I would certainly hope so, although, imagine someone like Michael Moore coming to realize he's been a fool of faith and the aftermath it would cause... it would make for a great documentary! lol Maybe team up with Bill Maher to make a sequel of RELIGULOUS... oh hell yeah... now I'm dreamin'
@DrDvids What he's pointing out is the hypocrisy of the Christian Right. Jesus redistributed wealth, healed the sick and injured for free and threw merchants and money lenders out of church grounds. If Jesus were alive today, he'd be quite left-wing. Most of the people who claim to be Christian don;t follow any of his examples. Look at televangelists ... they are the exact opposite of the type of person Jesus urged people to be. Profiting from religion is un-Christian.
I,ve always liked Micheal Moore,s work.I thought he was a smart guy.But he actually believe,s there,s a God.And then he said he wanted to be a Preast. WOW!!!
I'm for socialism, and I'm a christian.... I know that republican super ultra conservatives just try to get the christian vote by voting against abortion.... ik its just a scam for votes, they could care less.
@DiscursiveSoul I personally do not believe in God but I think it is up to each individual to make that decision and I will not be so crude and disrespectful as to say they are irrational or immature if they disagree with what I believe.
@BeingNobody1956 It's not disrepectful to point out the irrationality of believing something without evidence. What respect do most religious people show atheists?
@leizuoer There is no proof for any other theories for the origin of mass, as in current scientific LAW matter can neither be created nor destroyed soooooo....
@leizuoer Nope, look up the Law of Conservation of Mass. Although the law you stated is true as well. And by the way, I was paraphrasing what I said earlier...
@XenteMusic The argument's getting confused here. The point is that the suspension of rational thought and complete lack of regard for evidence is not something that deserves respect. It's the adult equivalent of the child believing in Santa Claus.
@XenteMusic The argument's getting confused here. The point is that the suspension of rational thought and complete lack of regard for evidence is not something that deserves respect. It's the adult equivalent of the child believing in Santa Claus.
@leizuoer Evidence? There is no conclusive evidence! If you think believing in God is irrational, then watch this video: /watch?v=LzetqYev_AI
Watch the whole thing, then tell me that he is not a rational adult. I don't care that you're an atheist, but ignorant people like you who look down on others for no reason are the scum of the earth.
@leizuoer Also, look up Antony Flew. He was a highly educated man and one of the top Atheists in the world. He ended up believing in God. Are you telling me that all these highly educated people are irrational and illogical? I think you're the illogical one.
@XenteMusic Yes, that's what I'm telling you. It's even more of a tragedy if they're intelligent, because that means they're intentionally ignoring their rational minds on this one issue. Individual cases like Flew don't matter. The world over, atheism and agnosticism are growing. Even in the US, atheists as a group now outnumber Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians and individual Christians denominations like Baptists and Mormons. People are rejecting superstition and mythology and embracing reality
@leizuoer I call a troll. You realize how many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians there are in your country, right? Damn, I just got trolled. You almost got me into an internet argument, so I guess I need to congratulate you on that :P
@XenteMusic Not trolling. Deadly serious. Blacks: 13%, Hipsanics: 15%, Asians: 9%, Jews: 11%, Baptists: ~4%, Mormons: ~2%, Atheists: 16%. All of those groups have caucuses in the government to represent their interests. Except atheists. That will change with organisation. And the US is the MOST religious Western democracy ... the percedntage of atheists is higher, and growing, in all other countries too :) If you don't like that, fine, but don't call "troll" when faced with facts.
I really don't care if you are Atheist. I still think you are a a valid human being entitled to his opinion. I do not respect the fact that you call people who believe in a God irrational despite having no evidence to support your claims. Being an Atheist does not make you a better person as there if nothing wrong with being religious (it actually drives people to be better persons). Simply put, grow up or shut up :P
I really don't care if you are Atheist. I still think you are a a valid human being entitled to his opinion. I do not respect the fact that you call people who believe in a God irrational despite having no evidence to support your claims. Being an Atheist does not make you a better person as there if nothing wrong with being religious (it actually drives people to be better persons). Simply put, grow up or shut up :P
@XenteMusic In other words, agree with you or shut up? Not going to happen. That's the standard religious response when asked to present their evidence of a god. You have none, so tell the questioner to shut up! Religion does NOT confer morals, that's a tired old argument. Religion has been the cause of so much unfiltered hatred and killing down through history. In almost every war-torn area of the world today, the root cause is religion. Even kids are killed in its name.
@leizuoer Lol no, you are literally an idiot. I meant, don't judge others or shut up. Because you have this prejudice that makes you think that all believers are morons. And it is not "religion" that kills people, people who misconstrue religion do. All major religions believe in BEING A GOOD PERSON. Nowhere does it say to kill people who don't believe or whatever. Hatred would exist regardless of religion, it would be between race or whatever. You are an idiot, this conversation is over.
@XenteMusic Where did I call believers "morons"? Didn't say it. I said I don't respect the suspension of rational thought in order to believe in a god, whatever religion it comes from. That's all I said. If you want me to believe in a god, prove it exists. And ask yourself why you're an atheist for 99.99% of all the gods that have ever been believed in ... but not for the Abrahamic God, Yahweh. He's as fake as Zeus, Thor, Venus, Minerva Apollo, Aphrodite, the Aztec gods, Vishnu Buddha ........
@leizuoer Calling people irrational, illogical and "the adult equivalent of believing in Santa Claus" is basically calling them morons. More importantly, I said I believe in God, I never said which God I believed in. I believe that the Universe did not create itself, I believe there was a greater power involved. Your points are irrelevant, and it just seems you're running out of valid arguments and are simply throwing out nonsensical, irrational :P points.
@XenteMusic Again, you're very good at putting words in my mouth, aren't you? You used the word moron, not me. I said their suspension of rational thought is illogical. I did not say that they are 100% illogical as people. There's a difference. Nothing I've said is illogical at all. It's completely consistent. I don't repsect adult humans who intentionally ignore their reason and their intellects to believe in the supernatural without any evidence to back them up. That's all, easy to understand
@residentevilfreakk55 Maybe they seem like that because the truth hurts? It's difficult being told the hard truth, especially if you were forced into a religion as an innocent, defenceless child. Suddenly, rationality confronts you ... of course you're not going to like it... that atheist on telly seems like a prick ... maybe, but he's telling you the truth for the first time in your life, something no one's had the balls to do until now.
@leizuoer oh is this the part where you try to act all sweet and then convert me? I dont think so, and "forced" is a bad word to use, how about raised or guided, because atheism is a one-way road, i dont care how many can try to tell me, they focus on this life, they never think about or even have any proof that there isn't an afterlife, give me some evidence heaven or hell dont exist, then we will talk buddy
@residentevilfreakk55 The burden of proof always falls on the person claiming the existence of something, not the other way round. Let's say I claim there's a china plate orbiting the earth at a distance of one billion kilometers. You say "bullshit". I then say "prove it doesn't exist". You can't. Even though you know it's bullshit. Same thing with heaven and hell. It's not up to me to disprove them. Lack of proof or evidence is enough for me to make up my mind.
@leizuoer the burden of proof falls on the person making a claim, that is a sorry excuse the atheists use against theists,you would be saying the same thing if it were the other way around and there is major difference in the topics tho, you are making a claim that 6 billion people in the world would disagree with, your china example no one cares about, i know just because more people agree with it doesnt make it true, but it gives u a hint
@residentevilfreakk55 Nope, it;s a standard used the world over for whenever proof of something is required. If something can't be disproven, that doesn't automatically make it true. Why do you think, in law, it's "innocent until proven guilty"? The prosecution can't say "prove you didn't kill that person" and then claim victory because the accused can't disprove it: the prosecution, the ones making a claim, have to prove it. Same goes for theists. Show me your evidence.
@leizuoer be that as it may, it still doesnt give atheists proof that they are correct, they have no evidence as theists do, its a draw and that is why people have theyre opinions, no facts
@residentevilfreakk55 The continual lack of evidence for a deity is enough for rational people to make up their minds. It comes down to this: if you want people to believe in your particular god, you'll have to show them that he/she/it exists. Some people will be willing to beleive anything they're told, especially if it's drummed into them as innocent children before they've reached the age of reason. Otherwise, you'll need the one thing you don't have: evidence.
@leizuoer I dont need evidence to prove god exists, I know he does, our proof is in our hearts, if you dont want to believe that God exists, that is fine by me, His proof is through his miracles that he performs every day, sure the scientists couldn't accept Him because every thing they do is on a proof's basis, ever wonder how most atheists are quick to demean christians and most christians just take it, that is what we are supposed to do, and we will and I am proud to be persecuted for Him :)
@residentevilfreakk55 Please! How convenient ... you don't need evidence. You do if you want to convince people that your god exists. Most of us aren't as gullible as you. Don't talk crap about persecution. Delusions of persecution only make things worse. You're not being persecuted. You were, however, forced into a religion as a child before you were old enough to reason. Why is it not ok for kids to vote, or drink ... but it's ok to brainwash them?
@leizuoer my evidence will come after this life, yours doesn't, and it isn't gullible, and I wasn't forced into this religion, I was raised I chose to stay with it and follow it, you however think yourself about everyone because you "think" god is just a thought and a dream when you are dead wrong and I can reason enough, you think 6 billion people around the world are gullible enough to believe in a higher power, and because he isn't with us right now as your "proof" is way too convenient
@residentevilfreakk55 You've got no afterlife evidence either! This is all stuff your religion has told you and you accept it unquestioningly. You were forced into a religion because I seriously doubt if you were consulted or even asked whether you wished to follow it. We don't abuse kids by forcing sex on them before they're old enough to decide (age of consent), so why is it OK to force religion on them before they're old enough to decide? It's pure brainwashing.
@leizuoer ah but u will see after this life, and that will be your proof, and thats thing atheists are too impatient to wait for god they just assume he isn't there, and that is a false statement, I was an agnostic for a good period because I questioned my religion and all beliefs for that matter and took a good month to think, and we aren't forcing religion on them, the only reasons say they hate church is because they are too brash and young to understand, it isn't forcing, it is guiding
@residentevilfreakk55 It's forcing. Millions of children, NOT being given a choice. What else can you call it? Phrases like "Catholic child" are similarly ridiculous. No one's born with a religion, the religion is imposed on them from soon after birth. It's a great thing about humans that many of us manage to rid ourselves of the enforced "beliefs" and investigate the real world, as it really is, without the need to ascribe things to "miracles" or a magic man in the sky.
@leizuoer it wouldn't matter if they were given a choice as a child, when they are an adult they can make that decision for themselves, they are too young their minds are fully developed to make a clear decision to believe in a deity or not, and no it is sin that corrupts your mind, you let pure evil get to your hearts, and btw he isnt in the sky, he is out of the realm, and you would think God would just put a big stamp on the earth saying "Made by God" that would make everything so much easier
@residentevilfreakk55 You're making my point for me now. They're too young, exactly. So why introduce religion into their lives when they're too young to comprehend it? Why label kids as "Catholic" or "Jewish" when they haven't got the slightest clue, nor do they care, what that entails? It's wrong to do it. It says that kids are the property of parents, not the offspring. So it's he, then, thanks for cleaing that up .... you've no proof of that either btw, no proof at all!
@leizuoer Because we are guiding them to the right path, they are too young to make the decision on their own, your point is to not introduce religion at all, yeah they don't care at the age of 6, i didn't but they mature and learn from it, and no proof of what? God existence? We have been over proof before so stop talking in circles
You're suppose to give with purpose in your own heart, and not grudgingly but willfully for God loves a cheerful giver. If the Government forces you to give more and more of your money through taxation so they can provide more entitlement 's, then you will not have much left to give cheerfully, or willingly.
"Sir, I am in the hands of a merciful God. I have full confidence in his goodness and mercy...The Bible is true. I have tried to conform to its spirit as near as possible. Upon that sacred volume I rest my hope for eternal salvation, through the merits and blood of our blessed Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ."—Andrew Jackson--Andrew Jackson and the Course of American Freedom, 519—Democrats need to get back to their spiritual Christian roots, not abortion and all forms of sin.
Guess this kinda detroys the myth that liberals are atheist. I always found ironic that so many Christians are against socialism, (and even fascism, since heaven will just one big dictatorship)
Jesus was quotes as saying he was against lending money at interest and sueing also. Not sure how that is supposed to jive in a capitalistic society. Maybe that is why Gordon Brown and Tony Blair belong to Christian Socialist groups.
Turn my other cheek? Why should I? That would never work in the real world. That's just bad advice.
Guess fascism is coming to America and it will be carrying a bible. I am not surprised, with Obams quoting the bible himself to promote social justice (liberation theology...started by the catholic monks) Couple all this with Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves DAMNATION.
Most atheist don't like Moore. They may be social liberals but for the most part are fiscal conservatives and want limited gov. They are called libertarians. Why in the world would an atheist support a BOg Brother type gov.?......That's exactly what we hate about religion.
Everyone: I just wrote a letter to my congressman, urging him to improve our health system, and I haven't lived in the US for 4 years (though still a US citizen). If I can do something, so can you. If you walk out of Sicko hoping that you'll get better health care, but then do nothing, then you will have wasted the momentum created by this film. We must act now if we want change!
Michael Moore has misquoted Christ! The Bible NEVER said you "get to heaven/arrive at the pearly gates by good deeds to others. He twisted the meaning of the verse on compassion!(Matthew 25:35)
Jesus said , I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, and NO ONE comes to my father (gets into heaven) except through me" (John 1:14)
YOu get to heaven by knowing Christ as your savior.Moore took a scripture and changed a seemingly minor detail, which misleads in a serious manner!
Regardless of whether or not he misquoted a fictional source, the American health care system NEEDS change. And, like bluenote71 said, watching a movie is NOT going to bring us health care. We have to act now!
What?? You won't find any documentation saying that Christ is a "fictional source". that is simply ignorance on your part to call someone so well documented in so many books as "fictional". That is no different than calling George Washington a fictional source only it has more serious outcome.
Fictional source, are you referring to the NT as a fictional source? On what grounds, on your silly little belief propogated and perpetuated by a small minority (who are equivelant to the lunatic fringe or YECs in Biology) in the historical community skew facts and lie to fit their beliefs? Yeah, sounds like a fictional source to me, but hey, I'll let idiots like you make their opinions.
Also, healthcare will ruin our country, look at UK and Canada, stop being stupid.
Hey folks - watching a movie won't bring us health care, as you know. It's time to act. This is the big enchilada. Universal health care will not be given to us without serious effort, as the HMO industry will fight it tooth and nail. Ask yourself how did slavery end? How did we get labor laws? How did women get the right to vote? All came through organized action - they were not gifts. Together, we can do it. I'm gonna start writing letters to whomever I can.
The good acts that Jesus mentioned are born from the Jews and Gentiles who have repented of their sins and believed in Him alone for salvation, not because of our good works. NO PLEASE DON'T BE SENATOR MOORE!!!
CoolGuy18201 2 weeks ago
You say "guiding". That implies their consent to a certain degree. If a child says to devout parents "I dont want to do this", you think those parents are going to say "Well, we were only guiding you, so it's OK if you don't want this....." Hardly. They'll just foce the child into the religion regardless. It's not guiding if it's not consensual. And it can't consensual if the kid's too young. Therefore, it's brainwashing. "No proof" referred to your assumption that your god has to be male.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer misspelled your name, sorry.
rypaz87 1 month ago
@rypaz87 No worries :)
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizoure Bertrand Russel's teapot is a good one but you're making a hypocrite of yourself in this argument. In that instance, the burden of proof lies on you and your teapot. The point of that one is that any absurd idea which is unfalsifiable is just that.. absurd. The two aren't congruent as you present them, use a little caution.
rypaz87 1 month ago
He is a Christian as much as Satan is.
3martijns 4 months ago
What if he's only acting to be religious to inspire the 85% of American's who are Christians/Catholics to watch his movies!?!? I would certainly hope so, although, imagine someone like Michael Moore coming to realize he's been a fool of faith and the aftermath it would cause... it would make for a great documentary! lol Maybe team up with Bill Maher to make a sequel of RELIGULOUS... oh hell yeah... now I'm dreamin'
killtherude 5 months ago
Let me just respond to 90% of you all: you grossly misquote, misinterpret, and misunderstand Scripture. 1 Cor. 2:14
Brynnium 5 months ago
Hey mike, if you believe in god, why not just ask him to cover you and your family's healthcare?
DrDvids 5 months ago
@DrDvids What he's pointing out is the hypocrisy of the Christian Right. Jesus redistributed wealth, healed the sick and injured for free and threw merchants and money lenders out of church grounds. If Jesus were alive today, he'd be quite left-wing. Most of the people who claim to be Christian don;t follow any of his examples. Look at televangelists ... they are the exact opposite of the type of person Jesus urged people to be. Profiting from religion is un-Christian.
leizuoer 5 months ago
I,ve always liked Micheal Moore,s work.I thought he was a smart guy.But he actually believe,s there,s a God.And then he said he wanted to be a Preast. WOW!!!
MrMic1146 6 months ago
I'm for socialism, and I'm a christian.... I know that republican super ultra conservatives just try to get the christian vote by voting against abortion.... ik its just a scam for votes, they could care less.
packersfan1337 9 months ago
being christian ruins his credibility
phildirt3 10 months ago
@phildirt3 why is that? does he have to be an atheist to be a good person in your opinion?
BeingNobody1956 9 months ago
@BeingNobody1956 being objective and rational is important when you are doing his job
phildirt3 9 months ago
@phildirt3 good people cannot be rational and objective? i dont believe in God but i still respect Mr Moore and what he does even if he does believe
BeingNobody1956 9 months ago
@BeingNobody1956 Believing in anything without evidence is not how a mature, rational mind should work.
DiscursiveSoul 6 months ago
@DiscursiveSoul I personally do not believe in God but I think it is up to each individual to make that decision and I will not be so crude and disrespectful as to say they are irrational or immature if they disagree with what I believe.
BeingNobody1956 6 months ago
@BeingNobody1956 It's not disrepectful to point out the irrationality of believing something without evidence. What respect do most religious people show atheists?
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer There is no proof for any other theories for the origin of mass, as in current scientific LAW matter can neither be created nor destroyed soooooo....
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic Sorry, but that should be "ENERGY cannot be created or destroyed", not matter.
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer Nope, look up the Law of Conservation of Mass. Although the law you stated is true as well. And by the way, I was paraphrasing what I said earlier...
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic The argument's getting confused here. The point is that the suspension of rational thought and complete lack of regard for evidence is not something that deserves respect. It's the adult equivalent of the child believing in Santa Claus.
leizuoer 5 months ago
@XenteMusic The argument's getting confused here. The point is that the suspension of rational thought and complete lack of regard for evidence is not something that deserves respect. It's the adult equivalent of the child believing in Santa Claus.
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer Evidence? There is no conclusive evidence! If you think believing in God is irrational, then watch this video: /watch?v=LzetqYev_AI
Watch the whole thing, then tell me that he is not a rational adult. I don't care that you're an atheist, but ignorant people like you who look down on others for no reason are the scum of the earth.
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@leizuoer Also, look up Antony Flew. He was a highly educated man and one of the top Atheists in the world. He ended up believing in God. Are you telling me that all these highly educated people are irrational and illogical? I think you're the illogical one.
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic Yes, that's what I'm telling you. It's even more of a tragedy if they're intelligent, because that means they're intentionally ignoring their rational minds on this one issue. Individual cases like Flew don't matter. The world over, atheism and agnosticism are growing. Even in the US, atheists as a group now outnumber Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians and individual Christians denominations like Baptists and Mormons. People are rejecting superstition and mythology and embracing reality
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer I call a troll. You realize how many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians there are in your country, right? Damn, I just got trolled. You almost got me into an internet argument, so I guess I need to congratulate you on that :P
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic Not trolling. Deadly serious. Blacks: 13%, Hipsanics: 15%, Asians: 9%, Jews: 11%, Baptists: ~4%, Mormons: ~2%, Atheists: 16%. All of those groups have caucuses in the government to represent their interests. Except atheists. That will change with organisation. And the US is the MOST religious Western democracy ... the percedntage of atheists is higher, and growing, in all other countries too :) If you don't like that, fine, but don't call "troll" when faced with facts.
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer I thought you meant combined xD
I really don't care if you are Atheist. I still think you are a a valid human being entitled to his opinion. I do not respect the fact that you call people who believe in a God irrational despite having no evidence to support your claims. Being an Atheist does not make you a better person as there if nothing wrong with being religious (it actually drives people to be better persons). Simply put, grow up or shut up :P
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@leizuoer I thought you meant combined xD
I really don't care if you are Atheist. I still think you are a a valid human being entitled to his opinion. I do not respect the fact that you call people who believe in a God irrational despite having no evidence to support your claims. Being an Atheist does not make you a better person as there if nothing wrong with being religious (it actually drives people to be better persons). Simply put, grow up or shut up :P
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic In other words, agree with you or shut up? Not going to happen. That's the standard religious response when asked to present their evidence of a god. You have none, so tell the questioner to shut up! Religion does NOT confer morals, that's a tired old argument. Religion has been the cause of so much unfiltered hatred and killing down through history. In almost every war-torn area of the world today, the root cause is religion. Even kids are killed in its name.
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer Lol no, you are literally an idiot. I meant, don't judge others or shut up. Because you have this prejudice that makes you think that all believers are morons. And it is not "religion" that kills people, people who misconstrue religion do. All major religions believe in BEING A GOOD PERSON. Nowhere does it say to kill people who don't believe or whatever. Hatred would exist regardless of religion, it would be between race or whatever. You are an idiot, this conversation is over.
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic Where did I call believers "morons"? Didn't say it. I said I don't respect the suspension of rational thought in order to believe in a god, whatever religion it comes from. That's all I said. If you want me to believe in a god, prove it exists. And ask yourself why you're an atheist for 99.99% of all the gods that have ever been believed in ... but not for the Abrahamic God, Yahweh. He's as fake as Zeus, Thor, Venus, Minerva Apollo, Aphrodite, the Aztec gods, Vishnu Buddha ........
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer Calling people irrational, illogical and "the adult equivalent of believing in Santa Claus" is basically calling them morons. More importantly, I said I believe in God, I never said which God I believed in. I believe that the Universe did not create itself, I believe there was a greater power involved. Your points are irrelevant, and it just seems you're running out of valid arguments and are simply throwing out nonsensical, irrational :P points.
XenteMusic 5 months ago
@XenteMusic Again, you're very good at putting words in my mouth, aren't you? You used the word moron, not me. I said their suspension of rational thought is illogical. I did not say that they are 100% illogical as people. There's a difference. Nothing I've said is illogical at all. It's completely consistent. I don't repsect adult humans who intentionally ignore their reason and their intellects to believe in the supernatural without any evidence to back them up. That's all, easy to understand
leizuoer 5 months ago
@leizuoer honestly i don't blame religious ppl for not showing respect to atheists, cause the atheists out there on the media are pricks
residentevilfreakk55 2 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 Maybe they seem like that because the truth hurts? It's difficult being told the hard truth, especially if you were forced into a religion as an innocent, defenceless child. Suddenly, rationality confronts you ... of course you're not going to like it... that atheist on telly seems like a prick ... maybe, but he's telling you the truth for the first time in your life, something no one's had the balls to do until now.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer oh is this the part where you try to act all sweet and then convert me? I dont think so, and "forced" is a bad word to use, how about raised or guided, because atheism is a one-way road, i dont care how many can try to tell me, they focus on this life, they never think about or even have any proof that there isn't an afterlife, give me some evidence heaven or hell dont exist, then we will talk buddy
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 The burden of proof always falls on the person claiming the existence of something, not the other way round. Let's say I claim there's a china plate orbiting the earth at a distance of one billion kilometers. You say "bullshit". I then say "prove it doesn't exist". You can't. Even though you know it's bullshit. Same thing with heaven and hell. It's not up to me to disprove them. Lack of proof or evidence is enough for me to make up my mind.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer the burden of proof falls on the person making a claim, that is a sorry excuse the atheists use against theists,you would be saying the same thing if it were the other way around and there is major difference in the topics tho, you are making a claim that 6 billion people in the world would disagree with, your china example no one cares about, i know just because more people agree with it doesnt make it true, but it gives u a hint
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 Nope, it;s a standard used the world over for whenever proof of something is required. If something can't be disproven, that doesn't automatically make it true. Why do you think, in law, it's "innocent until proven guilty"? The prosecution can't say "prove you didn't kill that person" and then claim victory because the accused can't disprove it: the prosecution, the ones making a claim, have to prove it. Same goes for theists. Show me your evidence.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer be that as it may, it still doesnt give atheists proof that they are correct, they have no evidence as theists do, its a draw and that is why people have theyre opinions, no facts
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 The continual lack of evidence for a deity is enough for rational people to make up their minds. It comes down to this: if you want people to believe in your particular god, you'll have to show them that he/she/it exists. Some people will be willing to beleive anything they're told, especially if it's drummed into them as innocent children before they've reached the age of reason. Otherwise, you'll need the one thing you don't have: evidence.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer I dont need evidence to prove god exists, I know he does, our proof is in our hearts, if you dont want to believe that God exists, that is fine by me, His proof is through his miracles that he performs every day, sure the scientists couldn't accept Him because every thing they do is on a proof's basis, ever wonder how most atheists are quick to demean christians and most christians just take it, that is what we are supposed to do, and we will and I am proud to be persecuted for Him :)
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 Please! How convenient ... you don't need evidence. You do if you want to convince people that your god exists. Most of us aren't as gullible as you. Don't talk crap about persecution. Delusions of persecution only make things worse. You're not being persecuted. You were, however, forced into a religion as a child before you were old enough to reason. Why is it not ok for kids to vote, or drink ... but it's ok to brainwash them?
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer my evidence will come after this life, yours doesn't, and it isn't gullible, and I wasn't forced into this religion, I was raised I chose to stay with it and follow it, you however think yourself about everyone because you "think" god is just a thought and a dream when you are dead wrong and I can reason enough, you think 6 billion people around the world are gullible enough to believe in a higher power, and because he isn't with us right now as your "proof" is way too convenient
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 You've got no afterlife evidence either! This is all stuff your religion has told you and you accept it unquestioningly. You were forced into a religion because I seriously doubt if you were consulted or even asked whether you wished to follow it. We don't abuse kids by forcing sex on them before they're old enough to decide (age of consent), so why is it OK to force religion on them before they're old enough to decide? It's pure brainwashing.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer ah but u will see after this life, and that will be your proof, and thats thing atheists are too impatient to wait for god they just assume he isn't there, and that is a false statement, I was an agnostic for a good period because I questioned my religion and all beliefs for that matter and took a good month to think, and we aren't forcing religion on them, the only reasons say they hate church is because they are too brash and young to understand, it isn't forcing, it is guiding
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 It's forcing. Millions of children, NOT being given a choice. What else can you call it? Phrases like "Catholic child" are similarly ridiculous. No one's born with a religion, the religion is imposed on them from soon after birth. It's a great thing about humans that many of us manage to rid ourselves of the enforced "beliefs" and investigate the real world, as it really is, without the need to ascribe things to "miracles" or a magic man in the sky.
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer it wouldn't matter if they were given a choice as a child, when they are an adult they can make that decision for themselves, they are too young their minds are fully developed to make a clear decision to believe in a deity or not, and no it is sin that corrupts your mind, you let pure evil get to your hearts, and btw he isnt in the sky, he is out of the realm, and you would think God would just put a big stamp on the earth saying "Made by God" that would make everything so much easier
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@residentevilfreakk55 You're making my point for me now. They're too young, exactly. So why introduce religion into their lives when they're too young to comprehend it? Why label kids as "Catholic" or "Jewish" when they haven't got the slightest clue, nor do they care, what that entails? It's wrong to do it. It says that kids are the property of parents, not the offspring. So it's he, then, thanks for cleaing that up .... you've no proof of that either btw, no proof at all!
leizuoer 1 month ago
@leizuoer Because we are guiding them to the right path, they are too young to make the decision on their own, your point is to not introduce religion at all, yeah they don't care at the age of 6, i didn't but they mature and learn from it, and no proof of what? God existence? We have been over proof before so stop talking in circles
residentevilfreakk55 1 month ago
@phildirt3 Vice versa.
Brynnium 5 months ago
@Brynnium religious dildo
phildirt3 5 months ago
You're suppose to give with purpose in your own heart, and not grudgingly but willfully for God loves a cheerful giver. If the Government forces you to give more and more of your money through taxation so they can provide more entitlement 's, then you will not have much left to give cheerfully, or willingly.
timcp1 1 year ago
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"Sir, I am in the hands of a merciful God. I have full confidence in his goodness and mercy...The Bible is true. I have tried to conform to its spirit as near as possible. Upon that sacred volume I rest my hope for eternal salvation, through the merits and blood of our blessed Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ."—Andrew Jackson--Andrew Jackson and the Course of American Freedom, 519—Democrats need to get back to their spiritual Christian roots, not abortion and all forms of sin.
timcp1 1 year ago
michael moore is full of crap!
Conail23 1 year ago
Guess this kinda detroys the myth that liberals are atheist. I always found ironic that so many Christians are against socialism, (and even fascism, since heaven will just one big dictatorship)
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
@InFromTheVoid im and atheist and i see religion in a different way its true message is admirable
timetochilli 9 months ago
Jesus was quotes as saying he was against lending money at interest and sueing also. Not sure how that is supposed to jive in a capitalistic society. Maybe that is why Gordon Brown and Tony Blair belong to Christian Socialist groups.
Turn my other cheek? Why should I? That would never work in the real world. That's just bad advice.
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
Guess fascism is coming to America and it will be carrying a bible. I am not surprised, with Obams quoting the bible himself to promote social justice (liberation theology...started by the catholic monks) Couple all this with Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves DAMNATION.
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
Most atheist don't like Moore. They may be social liberals but for the most part are fiscal conservatives and want limited gov. They are called libertarians. Why in the world would an atheist support a BOg Brother type gov.?......That's exactly what we hate about religion.
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
Right Jesus didn't say when I was sick did you use your power and influence to take from people to give to me.
Jesus never gave society responsibilities he gave individuals responsibilities.
Destruction of individual human liberty was something Jesus was not cool with..
EasyEs 2 years ago
@EasyEs
He did tell the rich man to give away everything he owns, he did throw the salesmen out of the temple
78fin 2 years ago 2
Will Atheists take a piece outta Moore?
Dmasterman 3 years ago
Will Atheist's take a piece outta more?
Dmasterman 4 years ago
They lack the balls.
grazon 3 years ago
Ah.
Dmasterman 3 years ago
Everyone: I just wrote a letter to my congressman, urging him to improve our health system, and I haven't lived in the US for 4 years (though still a US citizen). If I can do something, so can you. If you walk out of Sicko hoping that you'll get better health care, but then do nothing, then you will have wasted the momentum created by this film. We must act now if we want change!
bluenote71 4 years ago
Michael Moore has misquoted Christ! The Bible NEVER said you "get to heaven/arrive at the pearly gates by good deeds to others. He twisted the meaning of the verse on compassion!(Matthew 25:35)
Jesus said , I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, and NO ONE comes to my father (gets into heaven) except through me" (John 1:14)
YOu get to heaven by knowing Christ as your savior.Moore took a scripture and changed a seemingly minor detail, which misleads in a serious manner!
ctraini 4 years ago
Regardless of whether or not he misquoted a fictional source, the American health care system NEEDS change. And, like bluenote71 said, watching a movie is NOT going to bring us health care. We have to act now!
chelsea90210 4 years ago
What?? You won't find any documentation saying that Christ is a "fictional source". that is simply ignorance on your part to call someone so well documented in so many books as "fictional". That is no different than calling George Washington a fictional source only it has more serious outcome.
ctraini 4 years ago
@chelsea90210:
Fictional source, are you referring to the NT as a fictional source? On what grounds, on your silly little belief propogated and perpetuated by a small minority (who are equivelant to the lunatic fringe or YECs in Biology) in the historical community skew facts and lie to fit their beliefs? Yeah, sounds like a fictional source to me, but hey, I'll let idiots like you make their opinions.
Also, healthcare will ruin our country, look at UK and Canada, stop being stupid.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Hey folks - watching a movie won't bring us health care, as you know. It's time to act. This is the big enchilada. Universal health care will not be given to us without serious effort, as the HMO industry will fight it tooth and nail. Ask yourself how did slavery end? How did we get labor laws? How did women get the right to vote? All came through organized action - they were not gifts. Together, we can do it. I'm gonna start writing letters to whomever I can.
bluenote71 4 years ago
I don't think it can. America has so many people in the US it just seems impossible. Legal and illegal
Dmasterman 4 years ago