Strategies for Justice

[FusionHalo]

So the only way to help usher in another era of human equality can be done in two ways:

Create an abundance of resources

OR

Depopulate the planet to large enough degree that it can support a population that has no technology whatsoever, whilst destroying all remnants of science itself. This would probably mean less than 0.5 billion, world-wide.

Just my two cents.

Was that clear?

Was that even on topic, come to think of it?

[AdamHintz]

Do you think we could start reconnecting with the adundance already around us? How about reducing the population slowly over a long period of time? Do you think the population now can be sustained?

[FusionHalo]

Well we certainly CAN reconnect with the abundance around us. Rather or not we will (collectively) choose to do so is another story.

It's hard to say about population. Right now I don't think the world is overpopulated. China and India have most of the world's people, yet it is the U.S. and Western Europe that consume most of the world's resources. The issue is consumption patterns, not population (not to imply that population isn't a factor, because it is).

[FusionHalo]

I think we can both agree that the current population can't be sustained at its current rates of consumption, though =p

[pbeng12]

@ FusionHalo

who decides who lives, who dies? would you sacrifice your life, your families and friends lives to stem over population?

[FusionHalo]

That's exactly my point friend. We should not take the route of having to depopulate the planet.

However, to answer your question:

It'll happen naturally, if we do not act. We have major strains on all of our resources, from food, water, oil, and even things like native swamplands.

If we don't change, soon, in the next 50-60 years we'll see the human population decrease, for the first time in about 1,000 years.

[FusionHalo]

The closest humanity has ever been to total equality occurred thousands of years ago when we were still hunter-gather societies. Resources were very scarce back then, and everyone was very reliant on everyone else. Since everyone in the community was of equal importance, there was virtually no stratification.

As surpluses developed, with the advent of agriculture and domestication of animals, some people slowly began to obtain more materials than others. This is how stratification happened.

[AdamHintz]

I'm not too sure resources were scarce. If you look at tribal people living outside of our culture you'll see they just choose not to stratify as a cultural norm even if abundance is present.

[Youngl3lood]

I'm thinking all of the above.

[Youngl3lood]

Because I find, somethings I don't want I need. Its gotta be some kind of emotional issue or something, its funny but then again its not even. confusing !

[AdamHintz]

could you give me an example?

[Youngl3lood]

I still think I have some what a immature issue with the discernment of needs and wants.

[AdamHintz]

Are you having trouble categorizing between what a need and a want is? Or is it a different issue?

[AdamHintz]

Yes Leaflets and flyers are great, especially if they connect people and form meaningful relationships.

[AdamHintz]

I agree the need for autonomous communites is very urgent. While I don't think this can be done overnight, things that last ususally take time to build and sustain.

[NLPNVC]

Adam thanks for the video! I like striving to create independent communities. We can't be interdependent if we are not independent first. We can not meet the needs of others if we have no way of meeting our own needs first. I like it!

[AdamHintz]

I'm envisioning some sort of celebrations where people could instead of rioting create institutions of justice, equality and independence. An alternative to parties of pain. True independence days!

[FocusedLove]

I have been asking myself and others a few questions, like do I know all my neighbors, why don't I go the town meetings every month and what if we all took personal responsibility for running our country. we can follow our chain of command all the way up, but trust and courage are some of the problems we face. and I have yet to do very much of these things myself.

[AdamHintz]

It seems like there are some obstacles between you and what you're wanting. What could be some ways to get around the obstacle or make them moot?

[permacultureli]

Adam...do you know the president of MX...a land with thousands of varieties of natural corn species, has gone ahead and approved a deal with Monsanto and the introduction of modified corn into mx?...

All the rioting and protesting should ensue...yet the people here are asleep and do not count. It is a disaster.

[AdamHintz]

What would be a good stategy for these people to keep their varieties free from GMOs?

[permacultureli]

I do not have as much info as I need to answer that...it may be late though, because apparently GM corn is highly prone to cross pollinate other varieties and introduce its features into them...many times more likely. That process is set in motion, and probably will cause more permanent damage before the future of GM is clear. We cannot control bees.