Though Tshombe is without a doubt responsible for Lumumba's death, as well as Kasa Vubu, Mobutu was the man who pulled the trigger with the help of the Belgian and US governments.
the belg savages murdered him but the dulles boys thought it up i met a disillusioned cia guy dam i said this somewhere who told me Pres Lumbamba's body had been stuffed into the trunk of his car don't know whether it is true or not
The worse thing is no many congolese know about our short history... Lumumba was a very intelligent man just like Malcolm X and his life and death has had the biggest impact in my country's history and people need to know this... Teach the nation!... For a while after his death people won't even allowed to speak of his name
@AlMayer1100 -- I'm not sure, I haven't studied that deeply enough to get a sense of whether that's likely or not. It could be that the CIA and Pentagon, which Eisenhower warned in his farewell message was colluding in unauthorized, extralegal foreign policy via the Military Indistrial Complex, was conducting actions in secret that he (and President Kennedy) hadn't approved and disn't know about. As the CIA acted to assassinate Vietnam's President Diem w/o knowledge or approval by Kennedy.
It seems to me from all of these comments that we are letting the United States off the hook. They played a major part in this atrocity and continue to do so around the world till date. The self-proclaimed free world. So much by giving Mobutu legitimacy over a man elected DEMOCRATICALLY . Perhaps it's time they kept their MTV, CNN, etc. Oh, and their cigs too! Next time CNN brings a Belgian analyst as an expert on Congo, I will put a baton through the screen. VIVA LUMUMBA!!! GOD HATES america!!
It seems to me from all of these comments that we are letting the United States off the hook. They played a major part in this atrocity and continue to do so around the world till date. The self-proclaimed free world. So much by giving Mobutu legitimacy over a man elected DEMOCRATICALLY . Perhaps it's time they kept their MTV, CNN, etc. Oh, and their cigs too! Next time CNN brings a Belgian analyst as an expert on Congo, I will put a baton through the screen. VIVA LUMUMBA!!! GOD HATES america!!
if malcolm was here today he would be killed again they whites cant have men like him alive or free dr york , khalid people who have the power to bring black people together for the tru liberation are always cut down as for lamumba same thing he was runnin whites out of da congo because he saw that that was the only remedy thats why malcolm became an allie of lumumba and then again whites cuttin down a black man who has the power to liberate his people
@TimrodRa well said, nice to have people like this speaking the truth on things, they might have broken us down but we are still moving, we are strong nations and 1 day those that were involved will pay..
@TimrodRa I understand your reaction, however, every race on the planet had extreme characters living within theyr society. Ppl who are so powerhungry to sease virtualy all existing powerstructures, and manipulate anything within they'r reach, are psychologicly severely damaged, nomatter what the root of this distortion might be. A lot of stuff, if not all, starts between our ears, the color of skin dont matter to much, trust me.
if malcolm was here today he would be killed again they whites cant have men like him alive or free dr york , khalid people who have the power to bring black people together for the tru liberation are always cut down
"I just read today in a newspaper that the family of Lumumba had pressed charges against Belgium, so that the guilty ones of the murder of Patrice Lumumba might be found one day.
Also , i know that Belgium , admitted in 2002 to be partly responsible for the murder of Lumumba in 2002 and apologized for that. It was the least they could do ...."
@slizzler1 Belgium, France, UK, United States = War Criminals, they were behind everything that had happened, and we will see them in the day of judgement day...
It's not 'nations' themselves in my opinion, that are as a whole guilty- but the evil segments of those societies that are responsible- ie, right wing politicians and the parts of society that agree with/ don't react to the politicians/generals/ corporations that conceive evil plots in other nations.
Asia, Middle East, Africa, Israel, all have their individual cases of hate-groups/ factions/ dictators who are wrecking the lives of cultures. Many African leaders allow new Imperialism.
@slizzler1 Don't get me wrong i know its not the nation themselves who should be blamed but its those that agree with such policies that other nations should suffer in order for their nation to be rich & successful , and its those that are in power that allow & want these things to happen, look at the situation that most african & middle east countries are in today and CIA, Belgium, France, Uk, US, Russia, Germany, Italy they all have something to do with it....
and historically/ currently, leaders outside of the West are also shamelessly devoted to exploiting their societies through terror, oppression, corruption even without Western 'influences'.
I would further venture that such 'leaders' are really in it for their own wealth and power ambitions- without regard for their own civilians; a prime example would be Cheney/banking executives raping the system through deceit and immoral banker 'codes'.... and some African leaders.
@slizzler1 current examples being in Sudan and Nigeria...... tribes are getting their territories wiped out / polluted by joint-ventures of foreign 'investors' and some African nation leaders full compliance.
@slizzler1 And who oppened the way? To whom the current situation where leaders in African nations reign through fear really benefits? Come on, what those leaders are getting from that situation is nothing close to what western nations are getting from it ! Divide and rule ! The western way ! And nothing those leaders have done so far comes anywhere close to what European countries did during the colonial period! For instance, Congo lost 1/2 its population in 40yrs time under the belgian reign!
This isn't about greedy leaders! It's about genocides of tribal cultures - not only having their lands polluted irretrievably, but also them getting forcibly displaced from their traditional homelands.
People like yourself never for realities from the small persons' perspectives, just the rat race between greedy leaders. African leaders selling out to foreign corporations are whores.
@slizzler1 hey guys, there's a billion and one way's of looking at truth, that is what makes truth rich. None of them is 'the' right way of looking at things. Use the welth of filosofie ( looking at life), to unify, and set sail for a verbal war against anyone exploiting anybody or anything else for his own benefit, or the benifit of a bunch of a-social, gready, brainwashed, selfserving or another sorry excuse for a human beeing. Grtz Belgium
Looking at perceptions of truth is a different thing to acknowledging factual truth.
Truth is a reality.... discussions over truth are eternally diverse.
Your idea of a right way of looking at things has no relevance concerning actual truth.
for example; the Nazis committed genocides.... today's neonazis look at that truth with what they perceive as their right way being Hitler did it to make Germany stronger, or that the Jews 'asked for it'.
@slizzler1 when i say ' looking at the truth', i do mean acknowledge truth, still, i stand corrected. Indeed, you cant ignore factual truth, but anything that happens in life is a product of different aspects, and no vision on life can dominate other ' truthfull' way's of looking at stuff, if so, please inlighten me. grtz from belgium.
Perceptions and assessments upon seeing an event are unrelated to a truth.
Let's say a cop shoots an unarmed robber. Witness 1 sees the robber had a gun aimed at the cop and he dropped it accidentally -when he reached for the gun to pick it up, the cop shot him...... Witness 2 only sees the cop shooting the unarmed robber -but does not see the gun hidden out of his view. The truth is the cop shot an unarmed robber. Witness 1 sees it as self defense. Witness 2 sees a murder.
@slizzler1 haha, thnx, thats right, still, does it aply to the discussion you guy's were in, i mean, it seemed to me like you both were right, like you were summing up different facts wich paved the way for an event you both seemed to agree on, the country got exploited and genocide became a fact. Must ad, there are still, to this day, statues of Leopold 2 in Belgium, even in my home town, we chopped off a hand of the surrounding characters of the statue. Grtzz frm Belgica
I'll likely make clips about these topics at some point.... a good google search on 'neo colonialism' will be a great place to start. I'll send you links at some point. check pm
@slizzler1 That is right my friend, have to tell you, i ain't proud of what Belgium did. But then again, i am not to much of a patriot. I am part of a roma-gypsy fammily, so i consider myself mostly, a child of the sun and the planet we all share. I try to rise above our differency. I dont need to remind you how gypsy's were regarded as.... I feel for all ppl who are being denied their right to claim a part of this world. Thnx for commenting, hope you dont hold any grudges against me, grtzz
What i know is that Lumumba had become too " embarrassing" for so many powerful ppl and it's why he got murdered"
Yes- great point. The People in Power is exactly right- the CIA, Belgian govt. Congo rivals- they all made a decision to kill the elected Prime Minister- like they were going to cut down a big tree in a garden.
The CIA always pushes this murdering BS through when it doesn't agree with THEIR view of American policy- ie, former allies- Saddam, Noriega
damn i wish so much malcolm x was still alive! he would have gave us more of his analysis and wisom. i would really want to hear malcolm x's analysis of president obama.
omali yeshitela ("the new malcolm "x?) of the post 9-11 world is fvcking awsome, as malcolm x was in his time. yeshitela describes president obama as "white power in a black face"
if u like malcolm x and se him as a hero, youtube omali yeshitela. u wont be dissapointed. i first learned of yeshitela at cal state la.
So do you think Farakhan / Nation of Islam really had anything to do with his murder? It's also sad how his children turned out and how his wife died. Its like they failed when he was gone.
There is a book calls 'Leonard's Ghost' The Belgium King genocide and loot the Cango making Belgium rich. It is amazing how no members of the Belgium family has been charged or made to hand back to Congo its wealth.
Can the same be said if you took out "congolese" and replaced it with "afghani" or "iraqi" or "palestinian" in his answer?? America will never learn from previous empires, you.can.not.win.
Though Tshombe is without a doubt responsible for Lumumba's death, as well as Kasa Vubu, Mobutu was the man who pulled the trigger with the help of the Belgian and US governments.
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no wonder che guevara tried starting a revolution in the congo!
Mich3l93 2 months ago
The things they do to us black people is so disheartening :(
fuckeries 3 months ago
the belg savages murdered him but the dulles boys thought it up i met a disillusioned cia guy dam i said this somewhere who told me Pres Lumbamba's body had been stuffed into the trunk of his car don't know whether it is true or not
vivascargill1 3 months ago
The worse thing is no many congolese know about our short history... Lumumba was a very intelligent man just like Malcolm X and his life and death has had the biggest impact in my country's history and people need to know this... Teach the nation!... For a while after his death people won't even allowed to speak of his name
MrDigitsTV 4 months ago
I LOVE MALCOM X! BLACK POWER!!!
bluboroughman 4 months ago
Check out the story on Lumumba on our channel.
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Truthisification 5 months ago
i saw some of the movie on lumumba. deep story
thelivingpoet 5 months ago
Eisenhower, this degenerated asshole, has ordered the murdering of Lumumba.
AlMayer1100 5 months ago
@AlMayer1100 -- I'm not sure, I haven't studied that deeply enough to get a sense of whether that's likely or not. It could be that the CIA and Pentagon, which Eisenhower warned in his farewell message was colluding in unauthorized, extralegal foreign policy via the Military Indistrial Complex, was conducting actions in secret that he (and President Kennedy) hadn't approved and disn't know about. As the CIA acted to assassinate Vietnam's President Diem w/o knowledge or approval by Kennedy.
starmanskye 3 months ago
lumumba was killed because he was a threat to ameriKKKa and its own interests. white man trying to keep black men down as USUAL
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It seems to me from all of these comments that we are letting the United States off the hook. They played a major part in this atrocity and continue to do so around the world till date. The self-proclaimed free world. So much by giving Mobutu legitimacy over a man elected DEMOCRATICALLY . Perhaps it's time they kept their MTV, CNN, etc. Oh, and their cigs too! Next time CNN brings a Belgian analyst as an expert on Congo, I will put a baton through the screen. VIVA LUMUMBA!!! GOD HATES america!!
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It seems to me from all of these comments that we are letting the United States off the hook. They played a major part in this atrocity and continue to do so around the world till date. The self-proclaimed free world. So much by giving Mobutu legitimacy over a man elected DEMOCRATICALLY . Perhaps it's time they kept their MTV, CNN, etc. Oh, and their cigs too! Next time CNN brings a Belgian analyst as an expert on Congo, I will put a baton through the screen. VIVA LUMUMBA!!! GOD HATES america!!
skentelo 9 months ago
if malcolm was here today he would be killed again they whites cant have men like him alive or free dr york , khalid people who have the power to bring black people together for the tru liberation are always cut down as for lamumba same thing he was runnin whites out of da congo because he saw that that was the only remedy thats why malcolm became an allie of lumumba and then again whites cuttin down a black man who has the power to liberate his people
TimrodRa 1 year ago
@TimrodRa well said, nice to have people like this speaking the truth on things, they might have broken us down but we are still moving, we are strong nations and 1 day those that were involved will pay..
DTG101 7 months ago
@TimrodRa I understand your reaction, however, every race on the planet had extreme characters living within theyr society. Ppl who are so powerhungry to sease virtualy all existing powerstructures, and manipulate anything within they'r reach, are psychologicly severely damaged, nomatter what the root of this distortion might be. A lot of stuff, if not all, starts between our ears, the color of skin dont matter to much, trust me.
alainvosselman 5 months ago
if malcolm was here today he would be killed again they whites cant have men like him alive or free dr york , khalid people who have the power to bring black people together for the tru liberation are always cut down
TimrodRa 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402
"I just read today in a newspaper that the family of Lumumba had pressed charges against Belgium, so that the guilty ones of the murder of Patrice Lumumba might be found one day.
Also , i know that Belgium , admitted in 2002 to be partly responsible for the murder of Lumumba in 2002 and apologized for that. It was the least they could do ...."
Exactly- well said again.
slizzler1 1 year ago 16
@slizzler1 Belgium, France, UK, United States = War Criminals, they were behind everything that had happened, and we will see them in the day of judgement day...
DTG101 7 months ago
@DTG101
It's not 'nations' themselves in my opinion, that are as a whole guilty- but the evil segments of those societies that are responsible- ie, right wing politicians and the parts of society that agree with/ don't react to the politicians/generals/ corporations that conceive evil plots in other nations.
Asia, Middle East, Africa, Israel, all have their individual cases of hate-groups/ factions/ dictators who are wrecking the lives of cultures. Many African leaders allow new Imperialism.
slizzler1 7 months ago
@slizzler1 Don't get me wrong i know its not the nation themselves who should be blamed but its those that agree with such policies that other nations should suffer in order for their nation to be rich & successful , and its those that are in power that allow & want these things to happen, look at the situation that most african & middle east countries are in today and CIA, Belgium, France, Uk, US, Russia, Germany, Italy they all have something to do with it....
DTG101 7 months ago
@DTG101
yes- certainly;
and historically/ currently, leaders outside of the West are also shamelessly devoted to exploiting their societies through terror, oppression, corruption even without Western 'influences'.
I would further venture that such 'leaders' are really in it for their own wealth and power ambitions- without regard for their own civilians; a prime example would be Cheney/banking executives raping the system through deceit and immoral banker 'codes'.... and some African leaders.
slizzler1 7 months ago
@slizzler1 current examples being in Sudan and Nigeria...... tribes are getting their territories wiped out / polluted by joint-ventures of foreign 'investors' and some African nation leaders full compliance.
slizzler1 7 months ago
@slizzler1 And who oppened the way? To whom the current situation where leaders in African nations reign through fear really benefits? Come on, what those leaders are getting from that situation is nothing close to what western nations are getting from it ! Divide and rule ! The western way ! And nothing those leaders have done so far comes anywhere close to what European countries did during the colonial period! For instance, Congo lost 1/2 its population in 40yrs time under the belgian reign!
josephinechristelle 6 months ago
@josephinechristelle
Are you totally ignorant.
This isn't about greedy leaders! It's about genocides of tribal cultures - not only having their lands polluted irretrievably, but also them getting forcibly displaced from their traditional homelands.
People like yourself never for realities from the small persons' perspectives, just the rat race between greedy leaders. African leaders selling out to foreign corporations are whores.
slizzler1 6 months ago
@slizzler1 hey guys, there's a billion and one way's of looking at truth, that is what makes truth rich. None of them is 'the' right way of looking at things. Use the welth of filosofie ( looking at life), to unify, and set sail for a verbal war against anyone exploiting anybody or anything else for his own benefit, or the benifit of a bunch of a-social, gready, brainwashed, selfserving or another sorry excuse for a human beeing. Grtz Belgium
alainvosselman 5 months ago
@alainvosselman
Looking at perceptions of truth is a different thing to acknowledging factual truth.
Truth is a reality.... discussions over truth are eternally diverse.
Your idea of a right way of looking at things has no relevance concerning actual truth.
for example; the Nazis committed genocides.... today's neonazis look at that truth with what they perceive as their right way being Hitler did it to make Germany stronger, or that the Jews 'asked for it'.
slizzler1 5 months ago
@slizzler1 when i say ' looking at the truth', i do mean acknowledge truth, still, i stand corrected. Indeed, you cant ignore factual truth, but anything that happens in life is a product of different aspects, and no vision on life can dominate other ' truthfull' way's of looking at stuff, if so, please inlighten me. grtz from belgium.
alainvosselman 5 months ago
@alainvosselman
Perceptions and assessments upon seeing an event are unrelated to a truth.
Let's say a cop shoots an unarmed robber. Witness 1 sees the robber had a gun aimed at the cop and he dropped it accidentally -when he reached for the gun to pick it up, the cop shot him...... Witness 2 only sees the cop shooting the unarmed robber -but does not see the gun hidden out of his view. The truth is the cop shot an unarmed robber. Witness 1 sees it as self defense. Witness 2 sees a murder.
slizzler1 5 months ago
@slizzler1 haha, thnx, thats right, still, does it aply to the discussion you guy's were in, i mean, it seemed to me like you both were right, like you were summing up different facts wich paved the way for an event you both seemed to agree on, the country got exploited and genocide became a fact. Must ad, there are still, to this day, statues of Leopold 2 in Belgium, even in my home town, we chopped off a hand of the surrounding characters of the statue. Grtzz frm Belgica
alainvosselman 5 months ago
@alainvosselman
haha- I think chains should be put around the neck of the statue perhaps! :D
slizzler1 5 months ago
@slizzler1 and stuff his mouth with blooddrenched rubber, thnx for the tip B.T.W grtzz
alainvosselman 5 months ago
@alainvosselman It was actually a paper containing the speech he made during the independence ceremony.
projektcancer 4 months ago
@slizzler1 intresting stuff you mentioned about sudan and nigeria, any good docu's on the topic ? please let me know, thnx a bunch....grtzz
alainvosselman 5 months ago
@alainvosselman
I'll likely make clips about these topics at some point.... a good google search on 'neo colonialism' will be a great place to start. I'll send you links at some point. check pm
slizzler1 5 months ago
@slizzler1 That is right my friend, have to tell you, i ain't proud of what Belgium did. But then again, i am not to much of a patriot. I am part of a roma-gypsy fammily, so i consider myself mostly, a child of the sun and the planet we all share. I try to rise above our differency. I dont need to remind you how gypsy's were regarded as.... I feel for all ppl who are being denied their right to claim a part of this world. Thnx for commenting, hope you dont hold any grudges against me, grtzz
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@alainvosselman
:D
Have a look at my channel- you'll see we're much alike....... thanks
slizzler1 3 months ago
@slizzler1 4 DECADES TOO LATE FOR WHAT WAS DONE TO THIS GREAT MAN!!!!!!!!!!
dal4018 3 months ago
@inevergiveup1402
"....
What i know is that Lumumba had become too " embarrassing" for so many powerful ppl and it's why he got murdered"
Yes- great point. The People in Power is exactly right- the CIA, Belgian govt. Congo rivals- they all made a decision to kill the elected Prime Minister- like they were going to cut down a big tree in a garden.
The CIA always pushes this murdering BS through when it doesn't agree with THEIR view of American policy- ie, former allies- Saddam, Noriega
slizzler1 1 year ago 13
damn i wish so much malcolm x was still alive! he would have gave us more of his analysis and wisom. i would really want to hear malcolm x's analysis of president obama.
omali yeshitela ("the new malcolm "x?) of the post 9-11 world is fvcking awsome, as malcolm x was in his time. yeshitela describes president obama as "white power in a black face"
if u like malcolm x and se him as a hero, youtube omali yeshitela. u wont be dissapointed. i first learned of yeshitela at cal state la.
reptilianism420 1 year ago
it is the fault of the congolese, they let these fuckers in at all and follow their orders.
Azzaiel 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402 When the people march on the CIA etc.. we will find out many many many things.
jackrabb33 1 year ago
So do you think Farakhan / Nation of Islam really had anything to do with his murder? It's also sad how his children turned out and how his wife died. Its like they failed when he was gone.
OriginalJoseyWales 1 year ago
There is a book calls 'Leonard's Ghost' The Belgium King genocide and loot the Cango making Belgium rich. It is amazing how no members of the Belgium family has been charged or made to hand back to Congo its wealth.
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
Can the same be said if you took out "congolese" and replaced it with "afghani" or "iraqi" or "palestinian" in his answer?? America will never learn from previous empires, you.can.not.win.
supaflyjc 1 year ago
@supaflyjc America is winning. It is not quite like an empire.
OriginalJoseyWales 1 year ago
Reminds me of my favorite Warren Zevon song. Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.
workwillfreeyou 1 year ago
he was the, and always will be, the greatest. 2/21/65 will never be forgotton
lisapoutre 1 year ago
great video!
mr41ststreet 1 year ago
Secrets of The CIA - Congo
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GGLebo23 1 year ago
"instigation by the Europeans" gift and a curse to the entire world
SocaTrain 1 year ago
@alibajuda thats why he should have won many awards for the movie malcolm x
ausar07 1 year ago
Anglo-American intelligence/world domination factions for sure; not much has changed, God bless Malcolm for recognizing this nearly 50 years ago.
Mopar21277 1 year ago
lovely. Which baby girl is he holding ?
OriginalJoseyWales 1 year ago
SPEAK "BROTHER" SPEAK
Shiftyeyes516 1 year ago
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BobForehead 1 year ago