Deputy Israeli Ambassador to the UN responds to Goldstone Report on Gaza on Al Jazeera English

[sssssjjjj1]

ISRAEL CREATED HAMAS....LOOK IT UP...THEY CREATED HEZBOLA TOO. THEY ALSO HAD ARAFAT WORKING FOR MOSSAD OR MOSSAD WAS GOING TO MURDER HIS GRANDCHILDREN. WHAT ELSE IS NEW.

[sssssjjjj1]

HAHHHA ISRAEL ISN'T LAW ABIDING. HAHHAHAHA THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE NUKES, YET THEY DO. THEY WANT IRAN INSPECTED BUT NOT THEMSELVES. SCREW THEM.

[123col321]

bloody annoying...why the hell does he keep on interrupting.....u invite some on your program...let him talk 

[Rom552]

Goldstone Gaza Report: Col. Richard Kemp Testifies at U.N. Emergency Session"

Look for it in YOUTUBE

בני זונות

[341858]

at 5:13-26 he is talking about Israel.full stop

[dynaco]

Great interview - Al Jazeera has some great journalists on board, very knowledgeable and able to take down Israeli hasbara.

[wind4watts]

Law abiding State my ARSE, ignored 135+ UN orders these Swine Killed JFK because he wanted to inspect shut down Dimona Nuclear Bomb Factory, and they have conned the US Public ever since into giving them 3-6 Billion $ a year, Ludicrous.

[MrDarkbloom]

What does international state? Look at the 2004 world court judgment and the Goldstone Report to find out.

Israel is out of control.

[alecrebel]

Israel is a colonial state run by thugs and criminals who are protected by politicians in the US that have been bought and paid for. This is shameful!

[wind4watts]

@TheNewsCriticOnline Why would Hamas try to stop victims of this Genocide NOT saying what they wanted, Hell hundreds of kids in mourning babies bodies burnt black so badlythey looked like pieces of Coal!, WAKE UP , if Hamas were so bad then they wouldn't have elected them the are the ONLY ones that tried to defend-protect them from USA Suppied bombs. Israel who has H Bombs 400 A bombs ICBM's whose Mossad goes all over the World Killing who they don't like! WICKED EVIL IMMIGRANT ZIONISTS.

[TheCountBernadotte1]

The US can no longer avoid the responsibly of dealing with Israel. As a self appointed moral leader of the World, the United States must make a stand against discrimination, torture, genocide, and illegal border expansion. Through the continual military and economic support of Israel, the USA sends a message worldwide. It is a message advocating hate, bigotry, and an ideology on par with Nazism.

[Greywind30]

@TheCountBernadotte1

"Through the continual military and economic support of Israel, the USA sends a message worldwide. It is a message advocating hate, bigotry, and an ideology on par with Nazism."

Is it so your lordship? What about 20% of Israeli being ... arabs? Full citizens with same rights minus conscription? They have right and privileges like no other arabs in arab countries.

Your lordship is a pompous moron who has no idea what he is talking about.

[alecrebel]

YES! YES! The same tired BS being flung over and over again! You misrepresent the facts on the ground and what you refer to is tokenism at its best, Shlomo Sand, the Israeli historian, points out in his recent book that the Arabs in Isr. are second class citizens holding identity cards on which their religious affiliation is clearly marked and they are forbidden by law to marry jews. This is a democracy? A JEWISH state cannot be a democracy for non-jews. It is about bigotry, apartheid, etc.

[Greywind30]

@alecrebel

You got your facts wrong. Check "Teudat Zehut" and Israel marriage on wiki.

Israel ID "Teudat Zehut" had not had religion but ethnicity and that was removed in 2005.

Marriage. State of Israel is not involved in process! For all practical reason it recognize ANY marriage including jew/non-jew.

Marriage law itself inherited/traditional for this region and was used by Ottoman and Brits

[daniielgdiep]

Well, let me tell you from the point of view of a MEXICAN (non-jewish) tourist living and studing in BeerSheva (That´s in Israel, because I don´t think you know where it is) that what you say is totally Opposite of what I have seen. Bedouins sometime drives very nice cars . . . . and live in very big houses and they can take the piece of land that they want and nobody tells them anything and if they dont´marry a jew is not because they are not allowed is because they don´t want to.

[daniielgdiep]

And why is that? because they are Israelis, so stop saying BS, and Ignorantly Speak. I bet you have never been on this part of the earth. And I know you speak and condemn with out knowing the facts. Go ahead and let your head be moved by unreazonable ideas and lacked of facts.

BY THE WAY ARABS ARE FROM ARABIA, YOU IGNORANT!!

[TheCountBernadotte1]

In 1945-1948, the US+UK Military-Industrial Complex, fearing loss of business due to the end of WWII, amassed its left-over war material in Palestine and unleashed the East-European followers of a Nazi-style fanatic sect (Zionists) on the natives of Palestine to conduct barbaric ethnic cleansing and slaughter. Apartheid Israel, the last remaining colonial outpost of US arms industry will soon join its ideaological cohort, Apartheid South Africa, in the trash bin of history.

[TheCountBernadotte1]

On May 15 this year, Palestinians commemorated 61 years of Israeli apartheid and racism including continued ethnic cleansing and decades of military occupation. The central Zionist dilemma was they wanted to create a predominantly Jewish state in an area which was overwhelmingly not Jewish in 1906 there were 700,000 Arabs, 55,000 Jews, and even of those 55,000 Jews, only a handful were Zionists.

How do you create a Jewish state in area which is overwhelmingly not Jewish?

Answer: Terrorism.

[dsr99]

Israel is a terrorist state. No amount of propaganda will change that. They are a disgusting excuse for a nation. Shame on you

[Greywind30]

@dsr99

You are one who spreading propaganda.

You are not able to argue your points and just spam insults.

[Greywind30]

A few points.

#1. "Israel vs Gaza" is as stupid as reducing chess to "Queen vs pawn". Hamaz/Gaza is sacrificial pawn. People of Gaza are deliberately put in harm way by islamonazies.

#2. Not even US/UK able to handle military operation as police action. Military =\= police.

#3 War is not joke or sport event. Israel has full right to fight back with all it got.

Fact is Israel is powerful enough to irradiate arabs and I believe arabs would do just this if they had upper hand.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

hey Greywind30, are you an Israeli? coz i am and has fought in 2006 lebanon war. i must say our army is quite ok in lebanon. but for Gaza, i'm not that sure. instead of denying outright allegations Israel kills civilians in Gaza, i suggest you should look into it objectively. As an Israeli, and proud to be one, i feel sad and disgraced that ur poor argument got owned by LiberalPeople1, who argued with facts, while u argue by blaming all on our enemy, Hamas. Reflect on urself!!!

[Greywind30]

"my qns to you is if Israel is interested in self-defense, then it should kill Hamas members, not Gaza's civilians, agree?"

No doubt about this and Israel attempted to do just this with minimal civ casualties as Col Richard Kemp testified. 1400 in month collateral casualties is nothing compare to deliberate, sadistic killing by arabs for example in Darmor. Yes mistake were made and innocent were killed as results of deliberate actions of Hamas

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, read your inbox, my replies to you are there.

[Greywind30]

"But why are you shifting the attention to dictatorial regimes in Libya and China?"

I dont shift anything. I did not go in detail about them. Point is you hold UN/"International community" as final authority and it's just wrong.

"we are holding Israel to higher standards"

You holding Israel to standards higher than any other democracy incl US and UK. Democracy is not suicide pact.

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, yes you are shifting the focus to countries like Libya & China. You just mentioned them to defend Israeli actions! 'hold int community as final authority'? I'm holding Israel's international obligations (it is a UN member, mind you) and international law as 'final authority', if that's what you want to call it. 'hold Israel to standards higher than any other democracy...democracy not suicide pact' ? hmm..

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, no, I didn't hold Israel to higher standards than other democracies,( read carefully, don't put words in my mouth) I hold Israel to higher standards against countries like China and Libya! The fact is, you are trying to discredit that point of mine by putting words in my mouth. I said ' we are holding Israel to higher standards..why? Because it is a democracy!', and in what way did I put Israel to higher standards than other democracies??

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, pls quote if you can find any comments I said to that effect. 'Democracy is not suicide pact'? Yes, of course it is not! Don't you agree that: a democracy has every right to self-defense? a democracy should fight and eliminate terrorists so that it is secure? a democracy should protect the lives of innocent civilians in the conflict, and not kill or harm them?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, a democracy should be open and accountable for its actions and fulfill its international obligations? a democracy should not settle its own people in enemy territory and thus endanger their lives( Israeli settlements in the West Bank) ? a democracy would welcome a international probe into alleged war crimes? a democracy should allow civilians access to the Red Cross and other medical care in a conflict?

[Greywind30]

"The most impt point is I'm not arguing with you over borders and territories as much as human rights and Israel's conduct during the Gaza War. I'm talking about the latter, not the former."

Hence your mistake. You want to concentrate on locality without big picture. Imagine if you kill somebody in self defense and sentence to death on simple fact alone. You kill a man. It does not matter he attack you with attention to kill. Fact is you kill him and its wrong!

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, I'm focusing on locality? Yes, maybe I am. Because killing 1,400 people less than a month, the majority being civilians, is a war crime no matter the dispute. Your analogy of killing in self-defense is wrong because Gaza's civilians aren't killing Israelis? Hamas is. So my qns to you is if Israel is interested in self-defense, then it should kill Hamas members, not Gaza's civilians, agree? My 2nd qns: how does killing Gaza's civilians strengthen Israel's security?

[Greywind30]

"Libya has been elected chairman of the United Nations Human Rights Commission, despite opposition from the United States.

In a secret ballot, Libyan Ambassador Najat Al-Hajjaji was backed by 33 members, with three countries voting against and 17 members abstaining. "

BTW to correct typo "It is not something" I meant - it is not same thing - common sense and international opinion.

So do we argue on facts, logic or politically correct bull shit?

[Greywind30]

Understand this UN and "international community" is not really world government or even functional organization.

It's an attempt, a step in right direction but as it is today it's unfair, overly bureaucratic but thankfully ineffective organization. Libya under dictatorship of Gaddafi regime member of human rights con? China condemn Israel?

Unfortunately majority members on UN are bloody dictators or medieval kings and clerics with very a few develop countries govern by self interest

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind, first of all, Israel is a democracy, it always claim that it is one. True. It has free elections, freedom of speech,etc. But why are you shifting the attention to dictatorial regimes in Libya and China? The fact that the world is so enraged by Israel's actions in Gaza is because we are holding Israel to higher standards..why? Because it is a democracy! A democracy should act the way it is supposed to be: respect human rights, no war crimes, accountability.

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, so you meant to say that because the world is unfair, because the UN has bloody dictators and medieval kings in it, therefore, when Israel acts in self-defense, when it killed 1,400 people in less than a month in Gaza, with the majority being civilians, and it imposed a illegal blockade on Gaza, it doesn't matter because there are worse dictators out there. Therefore, Israel is clear of any wrongdoings because there are dictators in China and Libya, etc?? You meant that?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, when Libya or China kills innocent civilians, the UN condemn it. But we all can understand that that is the way most dictatorial regimes behave. But, when Israel, a democracy, kills so many civilians, the world cannot understand how a democracy can act this way. The world wants a answer and an investigation, which the Goldstone report calls for. So, are you setting the standard for democracy for Israel against countries like China and Libya, or the U.S. and UK?

[Greywind30]

Do we argue case on facts and logic or on opinion of international community? It is not something. If you know our history as human race it is not pretty and not really logical. The original partition plan is clear proof of it.

So you recognize pre-67? Note between 1948 and 1967 almost 2 decade Arabs own WB/Gaza but they did not recognize neither Israel OR Palestine.

Indeed is there any difference - culturally, historically etc between arabs on WB and east of bank? between gaza and Egipt?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, the international community, and I, recognizes only the pre-1967 borders, the borders before the 1967 war. The UN has called for Israel to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders ( West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem). Do you think that Israel should comply with that? Do you support ending Israel's occupation of the Palestinian Territories and pulling out all West Bank settlements? Because if you don't, then I suppose that you do not support a two-state solution. Right?

[Greywind30]

Of course recognition of Israel does not give it a "blank check" but if you recognize "right to exist it's give us a point to start from.

Here is other key point:

"The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan"

Take a look at this map. Does it strike as realistic?

It could exist only on one condition good will from both side.

Do you agree?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, I agree that in any conflict resolution, 'goodwill from both sides' is a must. However, I do not dispute Israel's right to exist or its pre-1967 borders. The international community, and I, only disputes Israel's post-1967 borders. As you know, Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem in 1967. That is considered illegal in the eyes of the international community.

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, the UN has called many times for Israel to give up its occupation of the Palestinian Territories and East Jerusalem, which Israel annexed illegally. My qns to you is: do you think that Israel should continue the occupation of the Palestinian Territories and East Jerusalem, despite int' objections? The most impt point is I'm not arguing with you over borders and territories as much as human rights and Israel's conduct during the Gaza War. I'm talking about the latter, not the former.

[Greywind30]

@umkh

You are real killer.

You did all this 1400 people in gaza in.

You stupid, ignorant mother fucker is reason for all this.

If not for you personally and other stupid bleeding heart morons war would be over long time ago because Israel beat arabs in open war and survive terror war and oil war but now Islamonazi start new type of war - crying war. They sacrifice own people to influence morons like you and the more you cry the more provocations more death and all of it on your stupid head

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, your counter-arguments against umkh is far from convincing. Umkh is the real killer? Crying war? Come on...yes you may have the right to post your comments on Youtube, but if you are really sincere in defending Israel on the Net, then I strongly suggest that you read some history books and watch more news before you make a fool of yourself here. Your comments only serve to discredit Israel's version of events in the Gaza War.

[LiberalPeople1]

But you are great at something after all...you are great at pushing the blame to others so that Israel can be 'redeemed'. Why not you look at this issue objectively? Have you heard me saying things like 'Israel is a bad country', 'Israelis are baby-killers', 'Israel deserve to be destroyed'?? But all of us at Youtube have heard you saying things like 'you stupid, ignorant mother fucker'.. Grow up, Greywind30.

[Greywind30]

@LiberalPeople1,

First of all. Get off your high horse. I call unkh "stupid, ignorant mother fucker" for cheap propaganda and its very gentle way to describe him. If the way I express my opinion discredit Israel it because you already condemn it and looking for any excuse to justify it.

I'm willing to assume that you want civil dispute on conflict without name calling and it fine with me.

I'm trying to build my case on logic, facts and that's why I start with Keystone question.

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, 'very gentle way to describe him'? 'you already condemn it'? Well, I can only say that you lack respect and objectivity in your argument. I want 'civil dispute on conflict'? I really don't get this point ( no sarcasm). Pls explain. 'I'm trying to build my case on logic'? OK, fair game. I accept that you are as sincere as me in having an open debate. So, Greywind30, what are your other qns, besides the one on whether I recognize Israel's right to exist?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, if you really want an open and frank discussion on this issue, without any name-calling, then you would find a partner in me. If you want to call names, use vulgarities, or argue based on ideology and preconceptions, without using any facts, then we shall end our debate here cos I don't want to waste my time. So, Greywind30, the choice is yours. We can be friends in debating this issue, or we can just call each other names. I prefer the former. What about you?

[umkh]

In Israel itself, Israeli's drank coffee on a hilltop overlooking Gaza and watched it's country behave like Nazi's and carry out genocide, while cheering them on.

Israel has attacked a defenceless civilian population and killed 1400 ppl, most of them women and children.

How can you call this report biased and most of all HOW DO ISRAELIS SLEEP AT NIGHT??

[umkh]

When using it's un-manned drones Israel has killed 3-4 generations of a family in one airstrike, targeted UN relief vehicles and ambulances. An example of this airstrike is the one which fell on a family courtyard upon women and children having tea. And while it carried out it's henious war crimes, supporters of Israel danced in the streets of New York, and held various demonstrations across the world chanting "thank you Israel for fighting our war on terror" and "wipe them all out."

[wind4watts]

@umkh This guy speaks 100% the truth and has obviously seen the same H.R.W. and Amnesty and other evidence that i have!.

[ImTehWord]

@wind4watts amnesty's administration labeled the taliban's attacks as "self defense"

[umkh]

In addition the IDF has sniped women carrying white flags, deliberately fired at ambulance staff trying to retreive the dead and injured, prevented aid from reaching the injured for upto 3 days, bombed hospitals where children are being treated, shot infants at point blank in front of their parents and then prevented their parents from reaching them, bulldozed houses with women and children still inside not to mention the WHITE PHOSPHOROUS. All this has been documented.

[gahtms0l]

To Greywind30 :

Name me a country that enjoys 100% support of all US and most of European governments for the last 60 years and yet has a big problem in its legitemacy & identity as a nation and as a country, and i will tell you that something is very wong in essence the of this country and i belive it will have a difficult times just to survive as a respected nation for the years to come.

[Greywind30]

Israel does not have a legitimacy and/or identity problem. Just because some backward countries ruled by medieval king and clerics or bloody dictators do not recognize Israel it does not make it illegitimate.

Israel is respected nation by any thinking person.

Israel only problem is oil economy. As soon as Industrial nations switch to alternative energy and stop being hostage to oil blackmail all problem would be over.

[Mankindfails]

LOL Israeli's are good at playing with words ....

[Greywind30]

LiberalPeople1:"we are all mature enough to argue based on facts and figures"

ALL?

"We all condemn Hamas for targeting Israeli civilians"

O'Rly?

LP1,

Name me a country who let go disputed territory in exchange for peace after WINNING WAR and I will name it the most moral country in the world.

Name me a country who have capability to overpower enemies but restrain from war even so its enemy do everything short of open war.

While you searching check Dresden, Leipzig and Hiroshima, chechia

[LiberalPeople1]

@ Greywind30, Yes, we all condemn Hamas for targeting Israeli civilians, maybe except Iran and Syria. It's not about naming a country that lets go of disputed territory after it has won the war, it's about fulfilling its obligations under UN resolutions and the 2003 Peace Roadmap, which Israel agreed to. As for your second qns, I believe Israel doesn't want to initiate wars in the region. But, have you addressed Israeli actions in the Palestinian Territories and in Lebanon?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, hundreds of Israeli checkpoints-within Palestinian towns and cities- coupled with a 'security wall' that encroaches and divide Palestinian villages, the collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza ( namely, the blockade), house demolitions in Arab East Jerusalem ( Israel says they were built without a permit, but even the UN recognises that such permits for Arabs are hard to get by, while Israeli Jews can build and move into East Jerusalem easily.) Your opinion?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, the problem isn't about whether Israel wants or doesn't want to initiate a war ( I believe it stands for peace for Israelis), it's about the use of excessive force, not against Israel's enemy, but against the enemy nation's civilians. That was the focus of the Goldstone report. It did not condemn Israel's attacks on Hamas, it condemned Israel's excessive force against Palestinian civilians. You get the point?

[LiberalPeople1]

If Israel really wants peace for all, it should also withdraw from the West Bank, not just Gaza. If it really wants peace for all, and really wants no control over Palestinian lives, then it should withdraw from inside the West Bank and mass its troops along the Israel- West Bank border.

[LiberalPeople1]

As for the Israeli settlements ( I bet you would ask this)..who built it there in the first place? Isn't there enough 'living space' for Israel to settle its population? Why the need to settle in the West Bank? Oh, the Israeli Government likes to say that those settlements serve as a protection for Israel, and that the fate of the settlements would need to be solved during final status peace talks with the Palestinians.

[LiberalPeople1]

But is Israel really ready to withdraw from those settlements? I don' think so. So the question is if Israel really wants peace, then why create an obstacle to peace in the first place? Have you taken this into account? Please do Israel a favour: argue FOR Israel based on real facts, not based on vulgarities ( refer to your exchange with umkh). You have shown yourself to be an ignorant fanatical fan of Israel's unjust policies towards the Palestinians!

[Greywind30]

"Please do Israel a favour: argue FOR Israel based on real facts, not based on vulgarities.. You have shown yourself to be an ignorant fanatical fan"

hmmm

Argue on facts? OK.

First of all let me ask you a few questions just see what is your stand.

Do you recognize right of Israel to exist?

[LiberalPeople1]

@Greywind30, yes I recognize the right of Israel to exist, I recognize the right of Israel to live in peace and security. But, just because I recognize Israel's right to exist doesn't mean I have to condone whatever actions Israel takes. So, by asking me this qns, you are either trying to discredit my whole previous arguments based on 'Israel's right to exist', or you have nothing to say to defend Israel's actions. Recognising Israel doesn't equate to supporting it blindly, get it?

[HansCastorp23]

As an Israeli I must say about Daniel Carmon's words:

What a load of crap!

IDF killed 1400 human beings, most of which were civilians, in 22 days!

[LiberalPeople1]

To HansCastorp23, I admire your objectivity on the issue of the Gaza War. Israelis like you are a big help to the nation. Israel prospers because of objective people like you. We all condemn Hamas for targeting Israeli civilians, and at the same time we also condemn Israel's actions during this war. I wish you and Israel all the best, and I'll keep Israel and Gaza in my prayers.

[LiberalPeople1]

Also, I'm against any unfounded criticism and name-calling of Israel, such as 'baby-killers' or ' Jews are a horror'. I mean, we are all mature enough to argue based on facts and figures. To realstress, it is time you argue for Israel based on the facts, and not hide behind your ideology and keep defending Israel blindly. Surely you want Israel to learn from its mistakes and be more successful as a country?

[Zefurion1988]

I agree 100%!I also believe that people should be more specific when they blame Israel or Palestinians. Let us not forget there were Israeli soldiers who would rather get arrested than attack Gaza because they knew it wasnt the right method to solve the problem.Also , quite a few of the 'hammas militants' are just men trying to earn some money to feed their families

rather than to actualy want to fight.

Israels actions are not only unwise , counter-productive but also truly stupid.

[umkh]

@LiberalPeople1

PPL only call the IDF 'baby-killers' based on facts and figures, as unfortunate as it may be. I dont think a single army could resort to such immorality like shooting fleeing women and children in the back, SHOOTING TODDLERS AT POINT BLANK RANGE, breaking into civilian homes and firing indiscriminately mainly killing women and children in the process, using Palestinian children as human shields making them kneel in front of their tanks so as to guard the tank, the list goes on..

[LiberalPeople1]

And I must say that realstress standards for morality is way too low, otherwise you would not have claimed that Israel is the most moral country in the world. Two questions for you if you insist on your stance: 1) Israel killed and wounded hundreds of Palestinian civilians during Op Cast Lead, is that moral to you honestly? 2) What planet are you living in? Israel- the most moral nation on Earth? Thanks for your jokes. And also you have a narrow world view, what 'go back to your camel'???

[LiberalPeople1]

To realstress, first of all, I agree with you that not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, only a tiny fraction of them are radicals. But I must disagree with your statement that 'all the terrorists are Muslims'. Definitely not all terrorists are Muslims, if so then what about the Jewish terrorists? By this, I mean the hardcore religious and fanatical armed Jewish settlers in the West Bank. Also, your dismissal of gahtms0's comments just because he's from Saudi Arabia is simply bigotry at work.

[perazh]

Israel Had targeted Schools, More.. Hospitals, Mosques, Factories, Chicken and egg production centers, Markets, Civilian Houses, Farms, UN Warehouse, UN Offices, Media Offices, Ambulances, Red Cross Helpers, UN Truck during the 2 Hours daily ceasefire, Even Shot Dead Zoo Animals and up rooted Trees, Farms, ,,,.

[perazh]

Based on Israeli official report there was no rocket by Hamas until Israel attacked Gaza

The most hatred animals of the planet Earth throughout the history and now

[gahtms0l]

To realterrorist:

I'm glad that you got message....

[gahtms0l]

I can not agree more with you taobhchlea that Israeils are murders of childrens. They proved they are most hideous crimenials of the twenty first century no questions about it. however, the so called "free western countires who kept silent about the killing of civilians are going to reap the fruit of this conspiracy".

[taobhchlea]

Israeli´s are child murderers plain and simple. They will go into propoganda overdrive now to justify their genocide. They´re nothing but butchers that are as bad as the nazi´s.

[nevskixx]

You taobhchlea are one of those Germans, perhaps as a desire to exculpate your nations past sins via false equivalence are one of those who freely likes to join in antisemitic discourse. How can you compare Israel's reaction to Hamas, who use civilians, including children as shields, send children on suicide missions, brainwash children to hate and targets civilians to Nazism. Disgusting.

[taobhchlea]

I am not German, I just don´t divulge private details over the internet. I´m afraid your guilt argument doesn´t work in this instance. All war criminals will try discredit institutions who contradict their ethos-as the Israeli Government is currently doing. It is now beyond doubt that the IDF targetted civilians in their war of terror on the innocent people of Gaza (this is borne out by the accepted casualty figures of over 50% civilian deaths during this assault). Shame on you my friend.

[nevskixx]

There are many countries , actively or passively, who contributed to those calamitous events and many like you, use false equivalence to compare Israel to Nazism. Germany happens to have a greater number statistically prone to adopt this discourse. The reality is different. You should listen to Colonel Kemp for an honest critique of Operation Caste Lead before you run away with yourself my friend.

[gahtms0l]

Not only Gaza ,the whole palestine is occupied by israel.

Any way there is not point of wasting time on this dialog as it is not getting us any where. We know what it takes to change the situation and we are going to follow through and at the end justice will be achieved.

[gahtms0l]

Hamas is fighting the israeli agression and occupation and they did not invade or occupy other european nation's land for example just like jews did on 1948 in plaestine. All other people you mentioned are just supporting hamas for their rightful cause. You would not find people pedging to wipe out Switserland from the face of the map beacuse they are a peaceful peace-loving nation not a criminal one like Israeal. This is the bitter truth whether you like or not.

[nevskixx]

Gaza is not occupied by Israel. The only Israeli in Gaza today is Gilad Shalit and he was been kidnapped. Hamas has no rightful cause to kill Jews (read Article 7 of the Hamas Charter). They have done zero for the cause of palestinians and have brought untold misery to the people of the region. Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia decried Arafat's conduct in rejecting a peace offer that would have met most of the palestinian's aspirations. This was a courageous statement but is largely forgotten.TRUTH

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, 'Gaza is not occupied by Israel'? Well, don't you know that Israel controls Gaza's coastline, airspace, and its land borders ( in conjunction with Egypt at the Rafah crossing)? Doesn't that constitute an Israeli occupation of Gaza? 'the only Israeli in Gaza today is Gilad Shalit'? Well, Hamas has the right to kidnap enemy forces. It's a war and kidnapping an Israeli soldier is legal in a war but not kidnapping an Israeli civilian.

[nevskixx]

No it is not occupied by Israel. There is control around the borders and for very very good reasons as you well know LiberalPeople1: Terrorism and arms control. Hamas has no intentions of relinquishing its aims to destroy Israel. The state of conditions created in Gaza is largely self-induced and is factored in as part of its strategy to arouse sympathy for the victim from well intentioned but duped Europe and elsewhere. Israel is on the frontlines of having to deal with this terror.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, yes of course Israel needs to secure its border with Gaza for security reasons. However, security for Israel must not be used as a reason to blockade Gazans, to impose such a harsh blockade on Gazan civilians as a collective punishment for Hamas firing rockets. Yes, Gaza is still occupied by Israel. You haven't address the fact that Israel still maintains control over Gaza's airspace and coastline. For security? Well, then you must also admit that Israel still occupy Gaza.

[nevskixx]

There are stark choices in this conflict LiberalPeople1: Do nothing and die or defend oneself with risk of hurting others. That is not punishment. Where civilains are deliberately targeted, whichever side does it, it is criminal and the culprits should answer. As for coastlines, Israel is damn right. Remember the reported massive Iranian shipments of missiles the other week and there are plenty of unreported.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, oh, so by imposing a blockade, by allowing only a very limited amount of humanitarian stuff into Gaza, is not punishment. It is self-defense, yeah? 'Where civilains are deliberately targeted, whichever side does it, it is criminal and the culprits should answer'. I salute you for making that point! ' As for coastlines, Israel is damn right', so yes Israel was right on that because of the Iranian arms shipment, so you have effectively admitted that Israel was right in occupying Gaza?

[nevskixx]

The Palestinians are not starving. And the blockade, as you call it was not there before suicide bombers crossed over.Indeed supplies are sent to Gaza today andd were sent even during Operation Cast Lead. Yes, conditions in Gaza are not at all good, but they were NEVER good, not even before 1967 or before 1948. Israel has no claims over Gaza, full stop.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

@nevskixx, hey i have noticed ur urguments with that liberal person. of course the palestinians are not starving! i dont think liberal people suggested that. the fact they are not starving is because they smuggle food thr the tunnels, which israel bombs! im a idf soldier and it bleeds to see our airman depriving the civilians food and our infantry imposing a blockade on them. i have to say that the blockade does not serve israel's security. I'm talking as a idf soldier here.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

@nevskixx, no, little food was sent to gaza during cast lead. My friend who serve in Gaza told me that. yes conditions has never been good in gaza b4, but why is our great army being ordered to make lives for palestinian civilians worse when it does not serve to secure us?! israel has no claim over gaza, but it maintains effective claim over Gaza. we still control their airspace and coastline, although it's the right thing to do, but we are still in Gaza!

[nevskixx]

Any one with an ounce of humanity can see Palestinians have suffered. I do not believe one should wantonly add to it either. If I, or anyone in israel could see another way of dealing with this issue and still ensure Israel's security, you have our votes IsraeliPatriot. The problem is that despite pulling out of Gaza, the violence increased, not decreased. The Arabs perceived this as weakness . We are dealing with a very middle eastern way of life and death.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, israelipatriot definitely has my support here. The extension of ceasefire with Hamas, lifting of Gaza blockade, massing more troops along the border would greatly help to create a good atmosphere for talks. In fact, if you research properly, Israel was the one who broke the 2008 ceasefire first, before Hamas retaliated. ' despite pulling out of Gaza, the violence increased, not decreased'? Compare the number of Israelis and Palestinians killed before and after the Gaza withdrawal.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, and if you compare the numbers, you'll know what I'm talking about. 'dealing with a very middle eastern way of life and death'? If your reaction to Arab violence is modelled after Arab's reactions to Israel's violence, then you ought to stop saying that Israel is the most moral country. Because that's what fanatical supporters of Israel like to say. BTW, you have never really pull out of Gaza. That Gaza disengagement is merely an Israeli fulfillments of UN resolutions!!

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, i shared most, if not all, of IsraeliPatriot's sentiments. I believe if Israelis can be as objective as him, then Israel would not have such a tarnished image now ( caused by Goldstone's findings and Israel's refusal to co-operate with it).

[nevskixx]

In your view, Liberal why do you think israel refuse to cooperate with Goldstone?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, well, officially, Israel says that it refuses to co-operate with the Goldstone team because it is 'biased' and only blames Israel, while ignoring the crimes of Hamas. But, it is impt to note that initially, Goldstone was only ordered by the UN to probe Israeli actions, and not Hamas'. But, to make it fair, Goldstone demanded that he be allowed to also probe Hamas' actions, before he takes up the job.

[nevskixx]

The question I asked was not what the Israeli Government thought of the report, but why it did not cooperate? Bias has certainly something to do with the reason. but the whole basis of the UNHRC commissioning a report on Israel (and Hamas) AND ONLY Israel, a UNHRC made up of largely dictatorships and despots, has much more to do with Israel bashing. Israel's fears were vindicated.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, 'question I asked was not what the Israeli Government thought of the report, but why it did not cooperate?', well the point is of course what the Israeli Govt thinks of the report/ outcome of the report and therefore not co-operate with it. 'UNHRC commissioning a report on Israel (and Hamas) AND ONLY Israel'? No, I busted that point of yours earlier. The report was also commissioned to probe both Israel and Hamas.

[nevskixx]

Yes, but the resolution in the UNHRC voted on the Israel point only, much to Goldstone's chagrin. The likes of Libya, Jordan Egypt Cuba China and others whose Human Rights record are on the bottom of the pile. Israel has been condemned 26 times by the UNHRC, but Sudan regarding Darfur, not once. This is not about seeking truth and justice is it?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, yes the despots in UNHCR may have condemned Israel many times, while ignoring Sudan and Libya, etc. But does that make Goldstone's content biased? Unfair? The content of the report is only written by Goldstone and his team based on their own findings. Don't try to shift the focus to Libya and Sudan, we are talking about the Goldstone report and Israel ( and Hamas) here, yeah? U may have got it wrong because the UNHCR did not author the report, it merely ask Goldstone to find the truth

[nevskixx]

It is clear from much of what Goldstone made findings was inaccurate. He himself said on such evidence no israeli could be convicted. So what really was this report about?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, the UN obliged and in his report, if you read it carefully, he blames both Israel and Hamas, contrary to Israeli government claims that the Goldstone report is biased and puts no blame on Hamas. Well, if you want to say that the report focuses more on Israeli actions than those of Hamas', then you must thank the Israeli government for refusing to co-operate with Richard Goldstone and allow him into Israel to talk to the victims in Sderot and to clarify things with Israeli officials.

[nevskixx]

Yes he "blames" Hamas in Chapter xxiv, but in the UNHRC this criticism was airbrushed out. Goldstone later commented that his findings was not a judicial document. He said it would not stand up to a criminal standard of proof blah blah, BUT this document now forms the basis of a political tool by Israel's enemies. I take the view, that if violations DID occur they should be investigated by Israel as a matter of duty.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, the fact that the Goldstone report wasn't a judicial document and has thus become a 'political tool' of Israel's enemies doesn't mean that the content of the report is true and is useful. 'should be investigated by Israel'? well, firstly, should a alleged war criminal be trusted to investigate himself? Second, Israel always says it is probing itself, but based on its past records, no concrete actions has been taken when it is allowed to investigate itself. Care to explain?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, 'doesn't mean that the content of the report is true and is useful. '. It should be 'doesn't mean that it is untrue or useless'. Just a typo there.

[nevskixx]

...and that is the point. Is it true? If an innocent person was killed, was he or she deliberately killed, or killed in error or was killed by protecting one's men? None of the "witnesses" have been cross-examined and Goldstone calls them "findings" and that is the problem. You might want to watch the debate between Goldstone and Dore Gold at Brandeis Uni . It's now on You Tube.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, 'he "blames" Hamas in Chapter xxiv, but in the UNHRC this criticism was airbrushed out.'. I've read the entire report, don't try to fool me here. He did blame Hamas for war crimes and crimes against humanity, just as he blames Israel of war crimes. Is this still unfair/ biased? Or is fairness only achieved when Goldstone blames all on Hamas, and clear Israel of ALL wrongdoings? Because if the latter is your definition of fairness, then we can stop our conversation here, yeah?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, secondly, the report did not focuses more on Israel. Yes, it does talk more of Israeli actions than those of Hamas', but we all know that that is reflective of the reality. Israeli actions require far more investigation than the straightforward acts of terrorism by Hamas in firing rockets at Israeli civilians and conducting indiscriminate suicide attacks.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, however, I think one should not be confused by Israeli official claims that the report focuses more on Israel than Hamas, and thus it is biased. Writing more on Israel does not mean that the content is biased or wrong. The Israeli government has every reason to try to discredit an institution that is probing for alleged Israeli war crimes. It is still trying desperately to shift the focus from the content of the report to how much the report writes about Israel. Do you get my point?

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, yes Hamas still wants to destroy Israel. No doubt about that. 'conditions in Gaza is largely self-induced'? Well, have you considered that Israel's actions ( blockade and the 2009 war) has actually caused most, not all, of Palestinians' sufferings? I can understand when Israel wants to defend itself and fight Hamas, but I cannot understand Israel's need to punish the Gaza civilians by imposing such a harsh blockade.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, yes, Hamas has done little for the Palestinians. In fact, it fired rockets into southern Israel, despite knowing the risk of Israeli retaliation. However, that fight is between the IDF and Hamas, not between Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians, agree? So just as the world condemns Israeli civilian casualties, we too condemn Israel's disregard of the welfare and safety of Palestinian civilians in its pursue of Hamas.

[nevskixx]

Done little LiberalPeople? You are playing down the significance of harm that has been caused. Not just rockets: Corruption, violence, religious laws that uphold honour killings, no celebrations, tyranny. Hamas was democratically to wipe out those who disagree with it. They are militant Jihadists. Those who condemn Israel for its action NEVER offer real practical alternative solutions, just platitudes. Nor are they a product of "occupation".

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

to nevskixx, LiberalPeople1 meant to say Hamas has done little to help Palestinians, not done little to harm Palestinians! Read carefully his words and don't play around with words,eh? hamas is a terror group, true. those who condemn Israel, people like me who is an israeli, offer better alternatives when we criticise Israel. we offer israel the chance to work with an international probe and clear its name. Israel refused!!!

[nevskixx]

It took 6 years before Britain agreed to allow for an enquiry into Iraq. Israel is under the kosh within a few weeks. I believe that Israel does face difficulties in dealing with questionable cases, but public pressure usually ensures matters are investigated. Israel's record is good consideringeg Agranat, Kahan and others. Hamas', Hizbolla, Syria, Lebanon? Wake me up when you hear something!

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

@nevskixx, hey friend we are talking abt israel here. why talk abt uk suddenly? we are supposed to be the most moral nation. we like to claim that, so we should not take 6 yrs to start investigations. if we want to take that long b4 we investigate, then we shld stop saying we are the most moral nation! and as a idf soldier, i feel insulted by ur comparison to hezbollah and hamas. of course we are better than them. i hope u are not trying to deflect from Israel's responsibility by quoting them.

[nevskixx]

I use the UK as an example of how another democracy, who perceives itself as a moral country that is now trying to deal with its past and to either clear names or find fault so that the same mistakes are not repeated. As I have said, Israel's record is good in carrying out investigations into its own actions. You don't have to feel insulted. My point is the same: There is no comparison. with Hizbolla. I was just illustrating the absurdity, but that is how the Goldstone views it.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

@nevskixx, hey my friend, i really hope that u wish the best for Israel and for humanity. My dad, a veteran of '67 war, has looked at all ur comments and his response is 'shut that person up!' as a '67 veteran, he has experienced and seen more of this conflict than u and i. but he supports the goldstone report. he also does not feel that as Israelis, we should talk about the morality of other countries when our own security is at stake. we should strive to be the most moral, not avoid answers.

[nevskixx]

IsraeliPatriot, in your view why do you think Israel refused to cooperate with the Goldstone enquiry?

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

to nevskixx, hey my friend, if you are suspected of doing illegal things at war, and someone wants to probe you on that, isn't your instincts to call it biased bcos u know for a fact that if it is allowed to probe, then u would be found guilty, bcos u did it! I love Israel but i want it to clear its name if its innocent and accept criticism if it is guilyt. we as a people must not allow our moral to decay. we israeli must stand strong and open, not call goldstone biased and skip the probe.

[nevskixx]

IsraeliPatriot, Israel's name is not tarnished because of Lebanon or because of Gaza. There has been a long propaganda campaign that is being waged by its enemies. Iran is denying the holocaust and events in history are being airbrushed out to suit ideological thinking. It is referred by some as neo-anti-semitism.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

to nevskixx, hey my friend, but it's my experience in IDF that most of my men told me that theres been an hardening of world opinion against israel and opinion polls told the same thing. about iran, of course the regime there want to insult the memory of holocaust victims, but we Israeli must stand strong against them. human rights is 2 way street. but we israeli must expect our democratic govt to have human rights for civilians, but we don't expect same from terror hamas, do we?

[nevskixx]

I know there is a frustration when coming to deal with human rights of Arabs, and there well may be a frustrating silence by many in Israel to acknowledge this, but one must not forget that human rights is a 2 way street and that this issue has be seen as objectively as possible. If I have a criticism it is this: Did the gaza campaign attain its objective? I do not think so. But that's another discussion.

[IsraeliPatriot1967]

for nevskixx, yes we have limited military success in cast lead. rockets are far fewer, but not eradicated yet. But we have earned ourselves a volley of criticism by the world. as a soldier, i wondered? the world isn't against us for killing hamas terrorists, but it is against us killing so many palestinian civilians, that i must admit that we have caused so many civilian deaths, but we are living with regret about it. are you a jew or a soldier or anything?

[nevskixx]

I'm a lawyer!

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, can you agree with me to condemn both Hamas' killings of Israeli civilians and Israeli killings and blockade on Gaza civilians? ' factored in as part of its strategy to arouse sympathy'? well, the world knows, you know, that living under such a tight blockade when only basic humanitarian stuff ( sometimes even disallowed in) can enter, when Palestinians are forced to smuggle in food and medicine throught the tunnels, you know that it's not about arousing sympathy.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, only thing I disagree is that Hamas refuses Red Cross access to Gilad, which is illegal even under the laws of war. That denial of access is illegal, but the act of kidnapping/ even killing your enemy is understandable ( no torturing of POWs also). If you mention Hamas kidnapping of Gilad Shalit, then I must remind you that Israel holds many Palestinians, innocent or otherwise, without charge or trial too.

[LiberalPeople1]

@nevskixx, I'm not saying that that justifies Gilad's kidnapping; that's two different issues. I'm just reminding you that Israel too is violating the laws of war by refusing some Palestinian prisoners access to the Red Cross and a trial. Yes, Hamas has brought misery to the Palestinians, but Hamas itself is born out of the misery of the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation. In fact, don't you agree that Israel really brought untold misery to Gaza in the war early this year?

[gahtms0l]

Let's agree on something.... : crimials who comitted war crimes should be chased and broguht to justice. So just they did with Karadzic and General Mladic so should scum like Ehoud Barak, Olmert ,sharon, peres, Bush, Ramsfield, blare and thugs alike. they should be put behine bars for long long time.

[nevskixx]

I agree that where a person has been tried fairly and is convicted, that they should serve a prison sentence. In your list of proposed criminals I note you have omitted to include say, the Iranian President for backing terrorism and Holocaust denial or Hamas for terrorism and for abusing children by using them as human shields or using them to carrying out suicide missions and targeting civilians deliberately.Or dare I say some Saudi preachers who incite hatred, Al-Qaeda...? Mmm?

[realstress]

To gahtms0I,

Since you are from Saudi Arabia, and since all the 9/11 attack were Saudi nationals, don't you dare preach morality to the Jews-the most moral nation in the world. not all the muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists are muslim. Now go back to your camel !

[LiberalPeople1]

@gahtms01, without naming names, I must say I agree with the broad principle that war criminals should be chased and brought to justice, no matter which country they came from and that they should get a fair trial and a suitable sentencing.

[IWannabeJew]

The Brits are still smarting. They thought Israel was going to be their little colony. They thought wrong. So now they're playing sour-grapes.

Whores who have their asses up in the air for the Saudis. America isn't far behind them.

[Webins]

Tsk, tsk, tsk, such gratitude to the country that practically created Israel.

Besides having one's ass "in the air for the Saudis" is still better than having one's ass "in the air" for the Zionists.

Atleast the Saudig give something in return, oil and massive financial investments in the economy, while Zionists give nothing but war.

[IWannabeJew]

Right, Israel provides NO return for America's investment.

Total bullshit.

[TheJackOfHearts7]

I'm sure the US will sweep these hideous crimes under the carpet like they always have. Shame. God save Palestine.

[jjhays36]

Yes god save palestine from the theocratic thugs of Hamas and Fata who launch qassams into israel.

[madmiguelh2o]

As an American Jew that pays for these attrocities, i couldn't agree with you more.

[Freeseselj]

Goldstone should be brought to justice over crimes against humanity. Psychiatrist Dr. Karadzic & Duke General Mladic should be awarded the Nobel Price for Peace.

[TheJackOfHearts7]

Goldstone is a criminal against humanity?

[Freeseselj]

Yes, and you should look-in a search engine-for articles about General Djukic regarding this. A useful book on this subject would be "Media Cleansing-Dirty Reporting", written by Peter Brock.

[yusufPF]

Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic. But Im not talking about WW2, Mahmoud Ahmedinijad or Ashke-nazi Jews. What Im referring to is the holocaust we are all witnessing and responsible for in Gaza today and in Palestine over the past 60 years ... Since Arabs are Semites, US-Israeli policy doesnt get more anti-Semitic than this.

Dr. Dahlia Wasfi -American writer

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go." - Oscar Wilde

[e1d3e1n]

wake up world!!! chalnge yourself to be in Israel's place- a democratic nation srounded with hatred and sinical terrorists who will not think twice before they'll kill a civilian, and tthose terrorists use the midia and the democratic laws and morals in order to shape the reality the way they want you to see it .

The truth is indeed with Israel!

[ronmichaeli]

The truth is with Israel

Happy new year

[EncompassedRunner]

Amen. God bless Israel, this report is error-ridden & totally biased, just disgusting. Hamas not only targets innocent Israeli civilians, but also fires their rockets & stores their weapons from amidst Palestinian civilians (human shields). Israel, acting in self-defense after much long-suffering, went way, way out of the way to avoid civilians & sent massive humanitarian aid.

[Webins]

You moron haven't read the report, otherwise you'd have seen it does condemn Hamas as well, but for crazed Zionists like you only want Hamas condemned, but never Israel.

[EncompassedRunner]

Webins, come on over to the great blog Elderofziyon (note the "y" in the spelling) where the blogger's been reviewing the errors one by one -- it doesn't take long reading the Report, or even listening to Goldstone, to note such serious errors. Also, some of his assertions are debunked by my 200-video YouTube playlist "Israel Good, Hamas Bad...it's that simple" (can be found by clicking blue "Playlists" link top-center of my channel.

[Webins]

I looked at your blog and channel, typical ZIonist stuff.

The problem with you is that you operate under a grand false assumption which I don't share, namely that Gaza is some sort of totally independent nation. If one were to accept such a view, then MAYBE Israel was right in attacking Gaza. I don't share that view, so cannot accept the idea that Israel was "defending itself" in Gaza.

Gaza is not not has it ever been totally independent. It's still basically under Israel control.

[lesame18]

For sure Webins, when someone doen't share you view on the conflict, he is a Zionist (what a terrifying word). You are right, when israel was still in Gaza, Hamas was not killing its own citizens The uncapable Hamas politician spend more money from UN-EU-US for weaponry in a hope to destroy israel (read their charter) than it spends for its citizens welfare as israel is still providing tem with water, electricity and so on. Politically, they are defenitly independent; therefore indepedent

[Webins]

If you don't think his blog is ZIonist, then you don't know what Zionism is.

All this talk about Hamas killing its own people. This is one of the weakest and most reprehensible and racist arguments. Namely "Well, they kill each other, so it's okay for us to kill them too".

As for Hamas using the aid money for weapons, funny, but if that were true, then hamas would be spending hundreds of millions on weapons, yet all we see are home-made rockets and ak-47's.

[IdoG262]

how can it be under Israeli control if we are not there?? that is some crazy trick I'd love to know.

saying that we control Gaza is like saying that we control Iran or China or Syria, and if you think THAT you ARE crazy and probablly should be comitted....

[madmiguelh2o]

you know that your statement is full of shit! there is no way you are that stupid. this is typical Israeli misinformation. Israel controls all entrances to Gaza including foreign aide. every shipment of food and medical supplies that is seized at the border is seized by Israel. And this douchebag is spewing the same bullshit about "terrorism" being the reason for everything. Its getting old. Noones buying it, exept for Obama.

[nevskixx]

It controls the Egyptian side as well?

[dbarron0]

madmiguelh2o is an ignorant fool. Israel does not control Gaza's southern border.