(Pogorelich)Chopin Piano Sonata No.2 Mvt IV

[theblueisyou]

not to offend chopin, my most beloved musician of all time, but this is just nonsensical noise... the 2nd movement is absolutely beautiful though

[iwritemusic1]

@theblueisyou this is wind sweeping through a graveyard. not nonsensical at all

[theblueisyou]

@iwritemusic1

good music shouldnt need a story to make it sensible. this mvt just isnt great.

[iwritemusic1]

@theblueisyou i dont hear it as nonsensical but maybe its just because im more familiar with the piece

[newFranzFerencLiszt]

He cried...

The only right thing we can do after listening to this marvellous work is just this

[BassicStorm]

Perfekcija!

[Pacoamadeus]

Brilliant! Bravo Ivo, the real winner of 1980. Thanks Argerich for saving the dignity of true art. Shame on the jury of the 1980 Chopin competition

[joernbroeker]

Awesome playing, but he is dressed like crap.

[einmarmor]

This sonata looked so easy for him. Wonderful technique.

[coaster1000]

One of the oldest pieces still "modern" today...

[wawa314159]

Personally I think this movement should not be played so blurry. Although the tempo is presto, adding too much pedal obscures the listener to appreciate its contrapuntal beauty, balanced structure and well-designed harmony. It should be played soft but clearly. I am reading Charles Rosen's comments on this piece (in Romantic Generation). This is really a delicate movement.

[bigcalamaro]

@wawa314159 fantastic book!

[wawa314159]

@bigcalamaro  Indeed !!!

[anonymousQ45]

he has that quality that changes the entire sound of the piano. he makes the piano sound like a wind instrument, like there is no shift between notes, just a change in pitch and tone. should be the ultimate goal of a pianist

[chelorusso]

I don't understand!! why is he crying?!?!? or is it just emotion?

[krystyna4501]

Ślicznie, wirtuoz. no coś wspaniałego.

[mx19idlewilder]

@krystyna4501

no prosze Cie... jest tam taki pan, co zwie sie zimerman krystian. na youtubie mozesz nawet posluchac sobie jak ta sonata brzmiec powinna.

a na tym konkursie to raczej byly 'wariacje na tematy chopinowskie w wykonaniu ivo pogorelicha'...

[krystyna4501]

@mx19idlewilder szkoda, że nie mogę tego odsłuchać bo coś słabo naładowane.

zimermana szukałąm tu kiedyś nie mogłam znaleść.

[mx19idlewilder]

@krystyna4501

podrzucam tu linka do pierwszej czesci sonaty bmoll op.35 w wykonaniu krystiana:

youtube.com/watch?v=ihjDQbMTZI­o , po prawej u gory pojawiaja sie kolejne czesci.

dla mnie to najlepsze wykonanie tej sonaty jakie dotad slyszalem, a bylo ich kilka. szczegolnie marsz i finale. presto wyjatkowo mi sie podobaja.

szczerze polecam :)

[yyyyyyyyyyyyeee]

@mx19idlewilder Coś takiego jak jedno prawidłowe wykonanie Chopina, którego wszyscy powinni się trzymać nie istnieje. Chopin sam zaskakiwał swoich uczniów grając raz tak, a raz inaczej. Szacunek do tekstu Zimmermana jest oczywiście godny pochwały, ale chodzi też o to, że jego muzyka to nie tylko nuty lecz także pewien duch poza nimi, który inspiruje niektórych pianistów, którzy uwydatniają go przez emocje tak jak w tym wykonaniu. :)

[mx19idlewilder]

@yyyyyyyyyyyyeee

to prawda, liszt zreszta tez potrafil samego frycka zaskoczyc interpretacja ;)

jednak pamietajmy, ze to konkurs chopinowski caly czas, i ze gramy chopina, a nie wariacje na jego temat. pogorelich zostal moim zdaniem slusznie uciety, chociaz jak slucham jakichs nowszych wersji jego nagran np. polonezow fis i c-moll to musze przyznac, ze jest nienajgorzej, oczywiscie bez zadnego szału, jednak pewien poziom jest...

[artsyalchemistthe2nd]

What? Why was he crying? He had such a great performance! Seriously, I sure hoped he ended up winning this.

[artsyalchemistthe2nd]

Whoops, now I know what happened..but good for Argerich to stick up for him! He so deserved to win!

[cfkliber]

Whoops, What is it that happened that you know?

[EquisTox]

he already knew he wouldn't win. even though he was the best. it was already decided.

[ijustretired]

I still feel that Dang Thai San was a worthy winner

[StefanoGuarascio]

Why was he crying? He's got one of the best performances of this piano sonata...

[Pischnaholic]

Certainly one of the best performances of this morbid masterpiece on record, but there are MANY today who can do it as well.

CORTOT got more MUSIC out of it than anyone with spiked and spurred points of emphasis at odd intervals that jar the nerves, then grab and stab at you as you get whisked off and sucked down to hell in the dusky whirlwind. There is something deliciously VICIOUS in Cortot's interpretation -- a quality I am certain Chopin fully intended.

[wpmz1]

@Pischnaholic

Surely there are other good performances but come on - the guy was barely 20 at the time!  Just awesome!

[cdpiano27]

I believe that this and Horowitz are the two greatest performances of this piece! It was really a crime that he was eliminated after this very round which he played this in Chopin Competition. Obviously it was for mostly political reasons, and Eastern bloc judging. In a 1993 article, in Piano and Keyboard magazine, Pogorelich commented that the Ministers of Culture deemed that he won two first prizes before (Casagrande and Montreal) and that another major prize would be too much.

[coaster1000]

That was great!

[pifffolino]

was he crying because he already knew that he was not going to win or was he just moved?

[cdpiano27]

I think both!! I am pretty sure he knew what was already going to happen even before the competition started!! The Eastern European bloc often controlled the Chopin and Tchaikovsky competitions to a large extent. And he knew it was other people's turn, and not his!!

[junglejim66]

was it sweat?

[bambi86uy]

sublime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sagalat]

Truly one of the most incredibly nuanced ideosyncratic renderings of this movement ever to be perfected. Wait until you hear his Brahms 118 #2. Viva Pogo!!

[gopogogo]

bravo ivo!!!!!!!!!!i love you.

[Pogouldiwitz]

Magnificent playing. Powerful document of devotion. Thanks for this.