I've often wondered what happens when a singer comes in too early or late and so it's interesting to see how Domingo just repeated the phrase and kept going. I bet many in the audience didn't even notice!
Measure 170 he jumped the gun and repeats his line he is SUPPOSED to have sun once in measure 171, "Preces meae." I guess this was not for a Grammy, so there was no "do over." Talk about a needed mulligan.
I've herd this about his other performances too. He must have suffered in his life terribly, I am sorry that he had put himself and us through such pain.
Perhaps the most musical of modern tenors he makes an error similar to the one Pavarotti made in a live broadacast ( on YT). despite his vocal imperfections he had one of the most remarkable careers in opera history & should be remembered for that.
Thanks for making me weeping for a poor personality that seeks laughter & feeling of superiority with english only to non-enlgish speakers. Study hard & develop yourself so that your parent may not regret of your birth. And also remeber that day of english is waning.
When it comes to opera, Doming seats behind nobody. But ingemisco is not to be sung like opera aria. Domingo here is singing the song with outburst of his passion in his dramatic voice. Not a best rendition, not bad either though.
@Englishtenor2 Great Tenors dont make Huge mistakes. Domingo gives this a gallant try and did he ever struggle and strain on the last Bb but he was quite young here with a lot to learn . All in all Domingo is a very fine tenor even though he really never had a good easy top and rarely ever sang a C.
@Etnalleb It's very interesting that you instantly think I'm refering to the high note - I'm not: Domingo is arguably the greatest tenor who ever lived but yes, Great Tenor DO occasionally make huge mistakes - they're not superherpes after all! Here he comes in a bar early and then sings the same phrase twice - listen! And stop jumping to conclusions!
@Etnalleb everybody makes huge mistakes at some point in their lives don't be so silly. Domingo may not have the greatest top but he is still a great tenor. No tenor in history has had as vast a repertoire as he has had, he is an incredible musician and a great actor too and a beauty of tone. He may not be a bjorling but he is still a great tenor.
@shmk1 Quite right! And we could add to your list his remarkable range from his baritone beginnings, as well as his linguistic skills. Who knows? - there may be greater tenors still to come; but there are unlikely to be many as gifted musically.
Can´t someone who think´s Domingo is so great put a video up with him singing soft on notes above or in the passagio. something that i think one can claim from one tenor who are so great! I don´t prefer good knowledge in language before great high notes and a free and opened sound! The last high Bb-flat would have caused a ravel if Luciano would have sunged it with the same strained sound as this!
OK, having praised Domingo, I must admit that his "Ingemisco" isn't my favorite version. That would be Bjorling's, both in his complete recording and Carnegie Hall recital. Vickers, Corelli, di Stefano and Pavarotti also performed this great aria superbly. Still, Domingo's "Ingemisco" is deeply felt and very well sung:) --
Domingo's large voice puts a certain amount of power in this piece, but the "inter oves" section lacks the coyness that lighter tenors put into it. Not that this rendition is not awesome -- just my personal taste with this piece.
Mein lieber Scholli, das ist das Grauen!!! Schlechte Intonation, hässliche Stimme! Der Fehler in 1:24 ist nicht schlimm...es kann passieren... Insgesammt, sehr schlecht!
Pavarotti on the other hand sang only a phrase at weak mezza voce and belted out the rest of the aria.Pavarotti's sluggish rhythm is a huge problem in operas with fast passages.Without a great sense of rhythm and a good use of rubato the singing lacks vividness and bite and the phrasing is mechanical.
Pavarotti's rhythmic problems were the result of badly learned roles, the decline of his musical memory and laziness in the later years was responsible for the rhythmic problems. His prime was not hindered by rhythmic problems because he knew the music in its entirety.
His phrasing was not mechanical at all, conductors such as Muti, Karajan and Solti praised it. He also used rubato well.
In the last measures he tried to sing mezza voce but he only managed to produce a breathy dull tone.Pavarotti sang mezza voce rarelly and his soft singing was rather unsupported hence his singing was monotonous.If you compare for example Kraus interpretation of Spirto Gentil you would understand what I mean.Kraus scaled down his voice, produced piani,he sang diminuendi and he also sang belting forte;he contrasted full tones with light tones.
Again, your arguments for Domingo are completely shattered by the video you post them on. If you want belting and FF, listen to this video, I don't know if you understand the dramatic intentions of Verdi's Requiem, but Domingo does not do this delicate religious music justice.
Just listen to Domingo's awful shout into his upper register: 'suppliCANTI, supplicanti'.
His style and lack of legato is totally incompatible with this delicate music.
Pavarotti mispronounced French due to his opel vohel formation in Porque me reveiller he modulated the vohel E into A on the two high B's.Domingo's legato was great he didn't overarticulate consonants at all.Tucker didn't even try to sing legato he used staccatto all the time and his singing was full of cantorial breaks and sobs.
I have presented you with an example of Domingo's overatriculated consonants on the Ella mi fu rapita video, his problems were his Rs, he rolled them for too long.
The high notes in Pourq*uoi* me reveiller are not high Bs.
We can use renditions of Pourquoi me reveiller to prove my legato point further:
'de moi gloire premiere' is sung by Pavarotti with the correct R to let the legato flow properly. Domingo sings 'prrrrremiere', thus his legato was not 'great'.
I can present examples of Pavarotti singing legato badly it doesn't mean he couldn't sing legato.Domingo did not roll the r in Italian his consonants are on the same pitch as the vowel that's why consonants didn't break his legato.Ponselle rolled the r's but she sang tuned the consonsonants in pitch that's why her legato was perfect.
He did the exact same thing in Italian, it plagues his singing and legato (which is already bad enough because of the shitty register integration). I have offered an example to you on the Ella mi fu rapita video (which is of course, in Italian).
If you claim that Tucker's legato was flawed, the Domingo's was more flawed. Tucker sobbed, Domingo made glottal sounds (even when his character wasn't dying), but Tucker's registers were well integrated, Domingo's weren't at all.
Pavarotti sang mezza voce more frequently than Domingo in his prime, his soft singing was supported correctly.
I have many examples of him doing one of the most difficult dynamics effects: messa di voce (some of which are executed on a high A flat). Domingo could never dream of this kind of dynamic control.
His mezza voce became dull after his prime due to his voice becoming less responsive, in his prime it retained the full voice's colour.
It's apple and orange. I think Dom did best he could with intuitive talent he was gifted with and made enormous achievement. In the most recent Met celebration, Dom received ovations more than any other singers even after singing the arias and duets transposed down.
Thank you for your thought, too many people out there there try and compare all these singers against each other not realizing that while they may belong to the same vocal category or classification they still all have their own unique sound and mannerisms, sure Pavarotti may have had a lighter voice that would be more appropriate blah blah blah but Domingo brings great expression and musicianship. All singers have their own unique qualities and ways of doing things.
Del Monaco,Corelli and Tucker could not sing legato and their singing was full of terrible manerisms they were not great Verdi singers.Vickers had serious problems with legato too and his diction could be very weird.Apart from Domingo the only singer who could do sing heavy Verdi with great musicallity was Bergonzi but like Domingo he was not famous for his acuti.
Pavarotti lacked sparking life ? I don't know what makes you so subjective to miss some obvious qualities. Finally I had to write something for I have a feeling we have been listening to someone else or not the right recordings.
Domingo's legato remains in the same category as Tucker's if you wish to argue the overarticulated consonants argument. Infact, Tucker's was in a higher class because he could handle tessitura properly due to well integrated registers, Domingo on the other hand had to shout up into his upper register and broke his line as a result.
Perhaps your understanding of legato is faulty, it demands evenness of tone and delivery beyond correctly articulated consonants.
Pavarotti sang only 30 roles because he was very lazy ,he didn't want to study new roles plus his technique never allowed to sing in
a language other than Italian.After about 1976 he dropped almost all of his bel-canto roles and began singing heavy Verdi and Puccini roles.He could not do justice to spinto roles neither vocally nor dramatically ergo your argument is foundless.
''Pavarotti could never surpass Kraus,Bergonzi and Gedda in the bel-canto repertoire.'' I will not comment your other observation on Pavarotti because your statement on belcanto and Pavarotti says everything about the validity of your statements in general.
In some characterization of yours on Pavarotti I agree but mostly I wonder if we have been listening to the same tenor. For elegance and refinement please listen to his Nemorino with Bonynge or Riccardo with Solti. It's true he had problems with rhytmic precision but he was still the best Duca and Riccardo for other tenors lacked much more in these roles. He lacked nuances ? Please listen to his ''Sonetto del Petrarca'' here on youtube. Nuances ex cathedra. In this aspect I disagree the most.
a language other than Italian''. He sang Tonio in french and made one of the most perfect recordings ever with Sutherland. In other words he had technique, for God's sake Rene Fleming called Pavarotti's technique probably the best ever. He did not sing in other languages because he was lazy not because of his technique.
He based his vocal production in bright vowels.Guess what French and German have many covered vowels.That's why he sang French with such a dreadfull diction he simply avoided to produce the covered vowels.
''He based his vocal production in bright vowels.Guess what French and German have many covered vowels.That's why he sang French with such a dreadfull diction he simply avoided to produce the covered vowels.'' Is that all ?
''He could not do justice to spinto roles neither vocally nor dramatically ergo your argument is foundless.'' Generally I agree with you here but what about his Rodolfo or even Alfredo ? Beside other he had capacities for these roles very much which only proves his stylsitc diversity.
A technical flaw was what stopped Pavarotti singing in other languages? Your arguments become gradually more desperate as the ones you rely on get proved wrong. He couldn't sing well in French or German because he wasn't properly taught to, and why did he need to be? He sang only one French role that he sang better in Italian anyway.
Who are you idiots saying that Domingo was not one of the best tenors?? No, this is not his greatest performances, but you can listen to not so great performances on your tube by all the greats!! Domingo Was THE Verdi Tenor. You guys need to get a clue!!
Rhadames,Otello,Don Carlo,Riccardo,Don Alvaro,Ernani,Rodolfo,Carlo VII,Arrigo,Ismaele.Cut your fanboy prejudice he is a great singer certainly he is much more acclaimed than the highly overrated Pavarotti whose singing was totally unidiomatic and uninvolved.
''Rhadames,Otello,Don Carlo,Riccardo,Don Alvaro,Ernani,Rodolfo,Carlo VII,Arrigo,Ismaele''. I see you have been listening to mostly Domingo because of the roles you have mentioned I would vote only for Don Carlo. In other roles Domingo was surpassed by other tenors (Corelli as Radames, Bergonzi as Ernani, Pavarotti as Riccardo and Rodolfo, del Monaco and Vickers as Otello - about other roles I don't know).
Domingo was good in many roles but he probably did not own a single role, unlike Pavarotti who owned probaly around 15 roles (all Donizetti and Bellini roles - Norma not included - Calaf, Rodolfo, Pinkerton, Duca, Riccardo, Rodolfo in ''Luisa MIller'', Arnold in ''William Tell'', Enzo in ''La Gioconda'', Fritz in ''L' amico Fritz'' and Verdi's ''Requiem''.
It's obvious,you are one of the Pavarotti fans who only listens to famous arias of few Italian operas.Pavarotti could never surpass Kraus,Bergonzi and Gedda in the bel-canto repertoire.While he had most of the requiered high notes his singing style was too straight forward lacking the required elegance,refinement,nuances,shading,rhythmic clarity and rubato.Roles such as Riccardo and Duka need rhythmic precision to get sparking life something that Pavarotti never possesed.
And unlike Domingo Pavarotti did some great recordings of more dramatic roles (Calaf) and belcanto roles as well. Domingo was never a belcanto singer. To sum up, between quantity and quality I will always vote for quality and stylstic diversity.
In other words, I don't think the crucial issue about Domingo's performance is whether it's transposed or not. His performance is not convincing and adequate. That's my conclusion.
Pavarotti's performance is subtle, stylish, concentrated, spiritual, effortless, refined - in other words, complete artistic performance. Unfortunately, Domingo's performance lacks all of this.
What's so impressing about this? :) I mean, I don't have great musical education and I too know the Requiem by heart, as well as hundreds of other pieces... I think it's completely normal, if you listen to music for a longer time.
now, what i DID notice is that IMMEDIATELY after the high note, he blew the lines. I have done this also. U get past a rough part and loose focus and concentration because you have JUST overcome the anticipated rough spot. preces me ... was a measure too early ... so he repeated it (I sing this off book these days so I know every single note of the piece) ... but as a true pro (As Placido is), he played that shit off and kept it moving. Look ... we are HUMAN BEINGS ... not freggin robots!
its not transposed, just for your information cubano. and he does mess up the "preces meae" . . but other than that i think you should place the blame for anything musically off on the conductor, not the singer
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Fab-Cut the BS will ya. As always, MINGO (where's the Do?) sounds hooted, throaty, monochromatic and pushed. His hispanic voice doesn't fit well. Don't bother comparing with Karajan/Pava rendition. Using a mic doesn't change the quality of the singing obviously. If it was mic'ed it was for recording purposes. Think first before you blurt out nonsense.
Lowered expectations might be your cup of tea but not mine. If you take pleasure by listening to an inferior tenor it's fine by me. Just don't pretend he's top shelf. He never was and never will be. He just pretended to be one and made a living by artistic prostitution.
Many tenors with musical gifts, had shortcomings. That Domingo is overrated, in many points, yes. But, still, he does have his merits, that's all.
When performing suitable material, and in a good day, he has a good sense of musical line, dynamics, and is an intelligent singer. Early in his career, he has a big ego, camouflaged with polite manners.
That is not where it ends. He's done great disservice to opera by making opera serve him instead of being in the service of opera. His 160 roles is an attestation of his artistic prostitution for which I have no respect.
He should have stuck with Spanish operatta and Mariachi tunes. He has decimated way too many masterpieces with his inferior singing and under-the-table shady business deals. His artistic prostitution is unforgivable.
Well, it's NOT a "crappy rendition", it's well paced, sang with grace and feeling. The Karajan (talking of hoaxes) /Pavaroti version was miked and very well prepared. However Pavarotti's tone goes hollow on occasion.
Here Domingo is NOT MIKED, and there is the standard routine regular concert preparation. It's a decent rendition. By the way, Domingo keeps a beautiful tone throughout.
Sure, he is not a perfect singer when it comes to high tessitura, but he's got his worth.
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Pavarotti's tone is wonderful throughout the duration of his version. Domingo sounds really strained. The microphones were for the purposes of the video recording as it was a wonderful cast and Karajan wanted it immortalised.
You do realise that we, watching this video get the exact same effect in terms of amplification. The microphone for this video recording would have been very close to him.
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Again, he has transposed this beautiful piece due to his lack of upper register. Minute 1:14 he sounds pushed, he can't handle the high note at all, TheInquisitive4Ever is right, Please watch Pavarotti, and unless you're deaf, yes this, I quote The Inquisive4Ever, "a crappy rendition"...
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Still sounds pushed and monochromatic. Have you ever heard Domingo singing "La fille due Regiment" or O Soave Fanciulla, etc without transposing it or failing to match the final note with the soprano? If you there is a live version, not studio, please let me know, I'd love to watch that
sorry. one can critisize him for his "c", but not for his "bminor", which is brilliant and the highest note here. domingo celeste aida is unmatched and he as far as i know the only one who sings the final note (a bminor again) between piano and mezzo voce. "crappy rendition" disqualifies you, sorry to say this.
Actually, Puccini didn't write the final notes of 'O Soave Faniculla' to be the same for the tenor and the soprano. I am looking a copy of the original score right now, and the notes for the tenor are meant to be piano and harmonized as Domingo sings it. I didn't particularly like the recording, but that's the way it's written. Just thought I'd let you know.
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Why compare? Ok..here's a litmus test. After listening to this crappy rendition by MINGO, listen to Pava with Karajan. You'd see the difference between "good..ok" vs "excellence. Note that MINGO is marketing himself as an excellent tenor. That;s wishful thinking on his part. Nothing more. It's a hoax.
Why can't you just enjoy the video without comparing it to others. It's better, it's worse, it's flat, it's sharp. Yikes! Some people are so eager to be critics that they forget how to sit back and just listen and enjoy.
Lo que es tener nombre... Fuera otro tenor con esta entrada errónea ya se habrían caido lanza en ristre... los gallos de este señor no son tan famosos com los de Villazon... por qué será siendo mas famoso? Eso si, pujan parejo!
Really good,but have you ever heard "Ingemisco" sung by the great Giuseppe Di Stefano, cunducted by Victor De Sabata?I really think is the best of all!!!
Just a bit of insight. I was blessed to be in the choir for this performance as a senior at Westminster Choir College. I was amazed with Domingo's singing especially because he gave this performance with a severe kidney infection and was in a lot of pain at the time. All these years later, I cant' believe I found this video. If anyone can direct me to the entire performance video I would be forever grateful.
because Domingo is such a professional, he never faltered when he jumped that entrance. That gets extra points from me. I think this performance is masterful
It is incredibly how everybody in this appears to be great musicians and talks about perfections. I wonder how many of you have recorded as much music as this wonderful tenor, the large repertoir he has got nobody can even get close to him. None of you for sure. I care more for performance with feelings than perfection without the soul of a human. We are not birds singing tones, we are humans singin emotions
Excellent! But still not the same class as Bjorling in the transition between registers at the end. Bjorling makes this two octave transition sound like it is the same note.
this a great performance. although, Caballe steals the thunder of all the other singers. Even Domingo is unable to keep-up with her mastery - note that when Domingo makes a mistake he looks in Caballes direction and not the conductor. regards, great to see you back. thanks fro all your work.
One early entrance but innate musicianship! I wish that he could avoid the tendency to sing sharp in high register.
CTUMFanfare 1 month ago
the worse.
Ettoredipugnar 1 month ago
For my money, this is the most beautiful voice of the last 40 years, though Pavarotti had the better technique.
Dymension 3 months ago
I've often wondered what happens when a singer comes in too early or late and so it's interesting to see how Domingo just repeated the phrase and kept going. I bet many in the audience didn't even notice!
verdiwag 4 months ago
No, after Pavarotti I can not enjoy Domingo, Pavarotti the best at all times
MrRossVit 5 months ago
Measure 170 he jumped the gun and repeats his line he is SUPPOSED to have sun once in measure 171, "Preces meae." I guess this was not for a Grammy, so there was no "do over." Talk about a needed mulligan.
Celestined 7 months ago
3:04 : ouch!
cornificius22vain 11 months ago
Just FYI...
I was in the choir for this performance.
The conductor is Zubin Mehta and Domingo was remarkable. He sang this night in terrible pain with each breath due to a kidney infection.
Rigoletto1979 1 year ago
@Rigoletto1979
I've herd this about his other performances too. He must have suffered in his life terribly, I am sorry that he had put himself and us through such pain.
gkopij 11 months ago
Pues sí que la cagado!!!
marvire 1 year ago
Maybe he was in one of those days when everything goes wrong. Very humane. A great interpreter although.
mauricedelacroix 1 year ago
Perhaps the most musical of modern tenors he makes an error similar to the one Pavarotti made in a live broadacast ( on YT). despite his vocal imperfections he had one of the most remarkable careers in opera history & should be remembered for that.
Lovelytenor1 2 years ago
Domingo at 1:23 made mistakes where he should not have sung. He covered up the mistakes by repeting the same phrase.
deskfruit 2 years ago
Thanks for making me weeping for a poor personality that seeks laughter & feeling of superiority with english only to non-enlgish speakers. Study hard & develop yourself so that your parent may not regret of your birth. And also remeber that day of english is waning.
deskfruit 2 years ago
When it comes to opera, Doming seats behind nobody. But ingemisco is not to be sung like opera aria. Domingo here is singing the song with outburst of his passion in his dramatic voice. Not a best rendition, not bad either though.
deskfruit 2 years ago
Thanks for making me scream with laughter! You using a word like 'illiterate'! With nine mistakes in five lines. Oh, made my day.
londonpianoschool 2 years ago
Did anyone else notice the huge mistake he managed to cover up? Now that's a great tenor.
Englishtenor2 2 years ago
LOL. Inmediately
SerchWagnerianBear 2 years ago
@Englishtenor2 Now we did.
InfernoDaBaka 2 years ago
@Englishtenor2 Great Tenors dont make Huge mistakes. Domingo gives this a gallant try and did he ever struggle and strain on the last Bb but he was quite young here with a lot to learn . All in all Domingo is a very fine tenor even though he really never had a good easy top and rarely ever sang a C.
Etnalleb 2 years ago
@Etnalleb It's very interesting that you instantly think I'm refering to the high note - I'm not: Domingo is arguably the greatest tenor who ever lived but yes, Great Tenor DO occasionally make huge mistakes - they're not superherpes after all! Here he comes in a bar early and then sings the same phrase twice - listen! And stop jumping to conclusions!
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Etnalleb 2 years ago
@Etnalleb everybody makes huge mistakes at some point in their lives don't be so silly. Domingo may not have the greatest top but he is still a great tenor. No tenor in history has had as vast a repertoire as he has had, he is an incredible musician and a great actor too and a beauty of tone. He may not be a bjorling but he is still a great tenor.
shmk1 1 year ago
@shmk1 Quite right! And we could add to your list his remarkable range from his baritone beginnings, as well as his linguistic skills. Who knows? - there may be greater tenors still to come; but there are unlikely to be many as gifted musically.
peterkar 7 months ago
at 1:24, he should not have sung. He covered up by repeating the phrase. I don't know if the original score says so, though.
deskfruit 2 years ago
@Englishtenor2 Even great tenors are human. Cut him some slack, for heaven's sake.
stevevandien 1 year ago
@stevevandien I adore the Plass! I couldn't cut anyone anymore slack!
Englishtenor2 1 year ago
Alfredo Kraus and Luciano Pavarotti are BEST.
jcbcn751 2 years ago
Can´t someone who think´s Domingo is so great put a video up with him singing soft on notes above or in the passagio. something that i think one can claim from one tenor who are so great! I don´t prefer good knowledge in language before great high notes and a free and opened sound! The last high Bb-flat would have caused a ravel if Luciano would have sunged it with the same strained sound as this!
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
OK, having praised Domingo, I must admit that his "Ingemisco" isn't my favorite version. That would be Bjorling's, both in his complete recording and Carnegie Hall recital. Vickers, Corelli, di Stefano and Pavarotti also performed this great aria superbly. Still, Domingo's "Ingemisco" is deeply felt and very well sung:) --
stevevandien 2 years ago
I think the best part is that he comes in early and does not even think twice, waits then comes back in. Terrific.
marcomeatball 2 years ago 2
Is he Domingo?
preruminator 2 years ago
Domingo's large voice puts a certain amount of power in this piece, but the "inter oves" section lacks the coyness that lighter tenors put into it. Not that this rendition is not awesome -- just my personal taste with this piece.
rmsadoq 2 years ago 3
@rmsadoq kwitchurbitchin'.
BBQkrewe 6 months ago
Not even close to Jussi Bjorling...
maxhansendk 2 years ago 2
I think you could do better...
post a video so...
felchs 2 years ago
- 5 !!!!!!!
bodiloto 2 years ago 5
@bodiloto - 5 confermo. Tu sei sapiente e unico nei tuoi giudizi...ti saluto con affetto
AleBro83 1 year ago
Mein lieber Scholli, das ist das Grauen!!! Schlechte Intonation, hässliche Stimme! Der Fehler in 1:24 ist nicht schlimm...es kann passieren... Insgesammt, sehr schlecht!
wlahmann 2 years ago
Pavarotti on the other hand sang only a phrase at weak mezza voce and belted out the rest of the aria.Pavarotti's sluggish rhythm is a huge problem in operas with fast passages.Without a great sense of rhythm and a good use of rubato the singing lacks vividness and bite and the phrasing is mechanical.
quis178 2 years ago 2
I agree.
tena2 2 years ago
Pavarotti's rhythmic problems were the result of badly learned roles, the decline of his musical memory and laziness in the later years was responsible for the rhythmic problems. His prime was not hindered by rhythmic problems because he knew the music in its entirety.
His phrasing was not mechanical at all, conductors such as Muti, Karajan and Solti praised it. He also used rubato well.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
In the last measures he tried to sing mezza voce but he only managed to produce a breathy dull tone.Pavarotti sang mezza voce rarelly and his soft singing was rather unsupported hence his singing was monotonous.If you compare for example Kraus interpretation of Spirto Gentil you would understand what I mean.Kraus scaled down his voice, produced piani,he sang diminuendi and he also sang belting forte;he contrasted full tones with light tones.
quis178 2 years ago
Spot on. We should all take example of Kraus. Pianissimi, forte, diminuendos, mezza di voce etc.
tena2 2 years ago
Again, your arguments for Domingo are completely shattered by the video you post them on. If you want belting and FF, listen to this video, I don't know if you understand the dramatic intentions of Verdi's Requiem, but Domingo does not do this delicate religious music justice.
Just listen to Domingo's awful shout into his upper register: 'suppliCANTI, supplicanti'.
His style and lack of legato is totally incompatible with this delicate music.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Pavarotti mispronounced French due to his opel vohel formation in Porque me reveiller he modulated the vohel E into A on the two high B's.Domingo's legato was great he didn't overarticulate consonants at all.Tucker didn't even try to sing legato he used staccatto all the time and his singing was full of cantorial breaks and sobs.
quis178 2 years ago
I have presented you with an example of Domingo's overatriculated consonants on the Ella mi fu rapita video, his problems were his Rs, he rolled them for too long.
The high notes in Pourq*uoi* me reveiller are not high Bs.
We can use renditions of Pourquoi me reveiller to prove my legato point further:
'de moi gloire premiere' is sung by Pavarotti with the correct R to let the legato flow properly. Domingo sings 'prrrrremiere', thus his legato was not 'great'.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
I can present examples of Pavarotti singing legato badly it doesn't mean he couldn't sing legato.Domingo did not roll the r in Italian his consonants are on the same pitch as the vowel that's why consonants didn't break his legato.Ponselle rolled the r's but she sang tuned the consonsonants in pitch that's why her legato was perfect.
quis178 2 years ago
He did the exact same thing in Italian, it plagues his singing and legato (which is already bad enough because of the shitty register integration). I have offered an example to you on the Ella mi fu rapita video (which is of course, in Italian).
If you claim that Tucker's legato was flawed, the Domingo's was more flawed. Tucker sobbed, Domingo made glottal sounds (even when his character wasn't dying), but Tucker's registers were well integrated, Domingo's weren't at all.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Pavarotti sang mezza voce more frequently than Domingo in his prime, his soft singing was supported correctly.
I have many examples of him doing one of the most difficult dynamics effects: messa di voce (some of which are executed on a high A flat). Domingo could never dream of this kind of dynamic control.
His mezza voce became dull after his prime due to his voice becoming less responsive, in his prime it retained the full voice's colour.
Mooorhe 2 years ago 2
It's apple and orange. I think Dom did best he could with intuitive talent he was gifted with and made enormous achievement. In the most recent Met celebration, Dom received ovations more than any other singers even after singing the arias and duets transposed down.
steakopera 2 years ago 2
Thank you for your thought, too many people out there there try and compare all these singers against each other not realizing that while they may belong to the same vocal category or classification they still all have their own unique sound and mannerisms, sure Pavarotti may have had a lighter voice that would be more appropriate blah blah blah but Domingo brings great expression and musicianship. All singers have their own unique qualities and ways of doing things.
andresayz4545 2 years ago 2
Mooorhe.
You make unfair comparisons between Pav and Dom. Pav has higher range and Dom doesn't. I am sure Dom can do the same half step or whole step down.
steakopera 2 years ago
In Sonetto del Petrarca Pavarotti sang every note above the middle F at ff.
quis178 2 years ago
Del Monaco,Corelli and Tucker could not sing legato and their singing was full of terrible manerisms they were not great Verdi singers.Vickers had serious problems with legato too and his diction could be very weird.Apart from Domingo the only singer who could do sing heavy Verdi with great musicallity was Bergonzi but like Domingo he was not famous for his acuti.
quis178 2 years ago
Pavarotti lacked sparking life ? I don't know what makes you so subjective to miss some obvious qualities. Finally I had to write something for I have a feeling we have been listening to someone else or not the right recordings.
castorp278 2 years ago
Domingo's legato remains in the same category as Tucker's if you wish to argue the overarticulated consonants argument. Infact, Tucker's was in a higher class because he could handle tessitura properly due to well integrated registers, Domingo on the other hand had to shout up into his upper register and broke his line as a result.
Perhaps your understanding of legato is faulty, it demands evenness of tone and delivery beyond correctly articulated consonants.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Pavarotti sang only 30 roles because he was very lazy ,he didn't want to study new roles plus his technique never allowed to sing in
a language other than Italian.After about 1976 he dropped almost all of his bel-canto roles and began singing heavy Verdi and Puccini roles.He could not do justice to spinto roles neither vocally nor dramatically ergo your argument is foundless.
quis178 2 years ago
''Pavarotti could never surpass Kraus,Bergonzi and Gedda in the bel-canto repertoire.'' I will not comment your other observation on Pavarotti because your statement on belcanto and Pavarotti says everything about the validity of your statements in general.
castorp278 2 years ago
In some characterization of yours on Pavarotti I agree but mostly I wonder if we have been listening to the same tenor. For elegance and refinement please listen to his Nemorino with Bonynge or Riccardo with Solti. It's true he had problems with rhytmic precision but he was still the best Duca and Riccardo for other tenors lacked much more in these roles. He lacked nuances ? Please listen to his ''Sonetto del Petrarca'' here on youtube. Nuances ex cathedra. In this aspect I disagree the most.
castorp278 2 years ago
'' ... his technique never allowed to sing in
a language other than Italian''. He sang Tonio in french and made one of the most perfect recordings ever with Sutherland. In other words he had technique, for God's sake Rene Fleming called Pavarotti's technique probably the best ever. He did not sing in other languages because he was lazy not because of his technique.
castorp278 2 years ago
He based his vocal production in bright vowels.Guess what French and German have many covered vowels.That's why he sang French with such a dreadfull diction he simply avoided to produce the covered vowels.
quis178 2 years ago
''He based his vocal production in bright vowels.Guess what French and German have many covered vowels.That's why he sang French with such a dreadfull diction he simply avoided to produce the covered vowels.'' Is that all ?
castorp278 2 years ago
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castorp278 2 years ago
''He could not do justice to spinto roles neither vocally nor dramatically ergo your argument is foundless.'' Generally I agree with you here but what about his Rodolfo or even Alfredo ? Beside other he had capacities for these roles very much which only proves his stylsitc diversity.
castorp278 2 years ago
A technical flaw was what stopped Pavarotti singing in other languages? Your arguments become gradually more desperate as the ones you rely on get proved wrong. He couldn't sing well in French or German because he wasn't properly taught to, and why did he need to be? He sang only one French role that he sang better in Italian anyway.
Mooorhe 2 years ago
Who are you idiots saying that Domingo was not one of the best tenors?? No, this is not his greatest performances, but you can listen to not so great performances on your tube by all the greats!! Domingo Was THE Verdi Tenor. You guys need to get a clue!!
fiercejarret 3 years ago 2
''Domingo Was THE Verdi Tenor''. How many verdian roles did he own if he was THE Verdi tenor ?
castorp278 3 years ago
Rhadames,Otello,Don Carlo,Riccardo,Don Alvaro,Ernani,Rodolfo,Carlo VII,Arrigo,Ismaele.Cut your fanboy prejudice he is a great singer certainly he is much more acclaimed than the highly overrated Pavarotti whose singing was totally unidiomatic and uninvolved.
quis178 2 years ago
''Rhadames,Otello,Don Carlo,Riccardo,Don Alvaro,Ernani,Rodolfo,Carlo VII,Arrigo,Ismaele''. I see you have been listening to mostly Domingo because of the roles you have mentioned I would vote only for Don Carlo. In other roles Domingo was surpassed by other tenors (Corelli as Radames, Bergonzi as Ernani, Pavarotti as Riccardo and Rodolfo, del Monaco and Vickers as Otello - about other roles I don't know).
castorp278 2 years ago
Domingo was good in many roles but he probably did not own a single role, unlike Pavarotti who owned probaly around 15 roles (all Donizetti and Bellini roles - Norma not included - Calaf, Rodolfo, Pinkerton, Duca, Riccardo, Rodolfo in ''Luisa MIller'', Arnold in ''William Tell'', Enzo in ''La Gioconda'', Fritz in ''L' amico Fritz'' and Verdi's ''Requiem''.
castorp278 2 years ago
It's obvious,you are one of the Pavarotti fans who only listens to famous arias of few Italian operas.Pavarotti could never surpass Kraus,Bergonzi and Gedda in the bel-canto repertoire.While he had most of the requiered high notes his singing style was too straight forward lacking the required elegance,refinement,nuances,shading,rhythmic clarity and rubato.Roles such as Riccardo and Duka need rhythmic precision to get sparking life something that Pavarotti never possesed.
quis178 2 years ago
And unlike Domingo Pavarotti did some great recordings of more dramatic roles (Calaf) and belcanto roles as well. Domingo was never a belcanto singer. To sum up, between quantity and quality I will always vote for quality and stylstic diversity.
castorp278 2 years ago
Thank you, I'm fcking fed up of the Pavarotti fanboys who seem to only show up on the videos of the singers they want to bash.
harmonicana80 2 years ago
This is bad.
castorp278 3 years ago
He is definitely a tenor... so to the comment about him being a "glorified baritone..." please.
He just could never completely eliminate the tension in his throat throughout his passagio and up.
wowyourgaiy 3 years ago
This is superb!
NEL5s 3 years ago
In other words, I don't think the crucial issue about Domingo's performance is whether it's transposed or not. His performance is not convincing and adequate. That's my conclusion.
castorp1981 3 years ago
Pavarotti's performance is subtle, stylish, concentrated, spiritual, effortless, refined - in other words, complete artistic performance. Unfortunately, Domingo's performance lacks all of this.
castorp1981 3 years ago
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Domingo = glorified baritone
MANHATTANBEEFMAN 3 years ago
K. Right. And Callas was mezzosoprano too.
RamirRMA 3 years ago
Does anyone know who the conductor is in this performance? There isn't a score in front of him; he is conducting the Requiem for memory!
mydragonsorrow 3 years ago
It's Zubin Mehta.
phantom4087 3 years ago
What's so impressing about this? :) I mean, I don't have great musical education and I too know the Requiem by heart, as well as hundreds of other pieces... I think it's completely normal, if you listen to music for a longer time.
GustawPoland 3 years ago
But then again, you're not conducting 45 professional musicians either...
MonoRec88 3 years ago
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Pavarotti and Bjorling blow him away in this aria.
castorp1981 3 years ago
Massiveqdawg caught it though..
dlafle3 3 years ago
Interesting how no one mentions that he comes in 1 bar early at 1:24. I guess everyone has their off days..
dlafle3 3 years ago
Yea man I think he was feeling sick this day.
Tenortone21 3 years ago
now, what i DID notice is that IMMEDIATELY after the high note, he blew the lines. I have done this also. U get past a rough part and loose focus and concentration because you have JUST overcome the anticipated rough spot. preces me ... was a measure too early ... so he repeated it (I sing this off book these days so I know every single note of the piece) ... but as a true pro (As Placido is), he played that shit off and kept it moving. Look ... we are HUMAN BEINGS ... not freggin robots!
massiveqdawg 3 years ago
its not transposed, just for your information cubano. and he does mess up the "preces meae" . . but other than that i think you should place the blame for anything musically off on the conductor, not the singer
hdechamp 3 years ago
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Fab-Cut the BS will ya. As always, MINGO (where's the Do?) sounds hooted, throaty, monochromatic and pushed. His hispanic voice doesn't fit well. Don't bother comparing with Karajan/Pava rendition. Using a mic doesn't change the quality of the singing obviously. If it was mic'ed it was for recording purposes. Think first before you blurt out nonsense.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Cut YOUR prejudice, and take the wax off ears. While not perfect, he's got his merits.
fabrizzzio48 3 years ago
Lowered expectations might be your cup of tea but not mine. If you take pleasure by listening to an inferior tenor it's fine by me. Just don't pretend he's top shelf. He never was and never will be. He just pretended to be one and made a living by artistic prostitution.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Many tenors with musical gifts, had shortcomings. That Domingo is overrated, in many points, yes. But, still, he does have his merits, that's all.
When performing suitable material, and in a good day, he has a good sense of musical line, dynamics, and is an intelligent singer. Early in his career, he has a big ego, camouflaged with polite manners.
fabrizzzio48 3 years ago
That is not where it ends. He's done great disservice to opera by making opera serve him instead of being in the service of opera. His 160 roles is an attestation of his artistic prostitution for which I have no respect.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Some will point out to how he helped bring to life a number of obscure works.
He has helped introduce many people to opera.
He is also a great Zarzuela (Spanish operetta) performer. And for Spain and Mexico, he has been kind of a musical ambassador to many countries.
You just have to identify his misses, which is healthy.
fabrizzzio48 3 years ago
He should have stuck with Spanish operatta and Mariachi tunes. He has decimated way too many masterpieces with his inferior singing and under-the-table shady business deals. His artistic prostitution is unforgivable.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Well, it's NOT a "crappy rendition", it's well paced, sang with grace and feeling. The Karajan (talking of hoaxes) /Pavaroti version was miked and very well prepared. However Pavarotti's tone goes hollow on occasion.
Here Domingo is NOT MIKED, and there is the standard routine regular concert preparation. It's a decent rendition. By the way, Domingo keeps a beautiful tone throughout.
Sure, he is not a perfect singer when it comes to high tessitura, but he's got his worth.
Mehta is fine.
fabrizzzio48 3 years ago 6
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Pavarotti's tone is wonderful throughout the duration of his version. Domingo sounds really strained. The microphones were for the purposes of the video recording as it was a wonderful cast and Karajan wanted it immortalised.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
You do realise that we, watching this video get the exact same effect in terms of amplification. The microphone for this video recording would have been very close to him.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
@fabrizzzio48 I think that's Muti, not Mehta...
Englishtenor2 1 year ago
@Englishtenor2 Zubin Mehta is conducting.
E19103 1 year ago
@fabrizzzio48 I hope you woke up since 2007 (at least).
gkopij 11 months ago
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Again, he has transposed this beautiful piece due to his lack of upper register. Minute 1:14 he sounds pushed, he can't handle the high note at all, TheInquisitive4Ever is right, Please watch Pavarotti, and unless you're deaf, yes this, I quote The Inquisive4Ever, "a crappy rendition"...
cubanoRN 3 years ago
its not transposed!
massiveqdawg 3 years ago 3
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Still sounds pushed and monochromatic. Have you ever heard Domingo singing "La fille due Regiment" or O Soave Fanciulla, etc without transposing it or failing to match the final note with the soprano? If you there is a live version, not studio, please let me know, I'd love to watch that
cubanoRN 3 years ago
sorry. one can critisize him for his "c", but not for his "bminor", which is brilliant and the highest note here. domingo celeste aida is unmatched and he as far as i know the only one who sings the final note (a bminor again) between piano and mezzo voce. "crappy rendition" disqualifies you, sorry to say this.
finalChoice 3 years ago
are you stupid or what?
ilbacioditosca 3 years ago
Actually, Puccini didn't write the final notes of 'O Soave Faniculla' to be the same for the tenor and the soprano. I am looking a copy of the original score right now, and the notes for the tenor are meant to be piano and harmonized as Domingo sings it. I didn't particularly like the recording, but that's the way it's written. Just thought I'd let you know.
phantom4087 3 years ago
This is NOT, repeat NOT, transposed. His high note at 1:14 is not pushed...it is clear as a bell. But thanks for your ill-formed opinion.
psalmtone 3 years ago 5
well you seem to be the person who is singing flat!
mariahelleberg 3 years ago
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Why compare? Ok..here's a litmus test. After listening to this crappy rendition by MINGO, listen to Pava with Karajan. You'd see the difference between "good..ok" vs "excellence. Note that MINGO is marketing himself as an excellent tenor. That;s wishful thinking on his part. Nothing more. It's a hoax.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Could have been worse that evening.
xav71176 3 years ago
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Some people are just fed up with the Domingo hoax. That's all.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Why can't you just enjoy the video without comparing it to others. It's better, it's worse, it's flat, it's sharp. Yikes! Some people are so eager to be critics that they forget how to sit back and just listen and enjoy.
Opera4Ever 3 years ago
Lo que es tener nombre... Fuera otro tenor con esta entrada errónea ya se habrían caido lanza en ristre... los gallos de este señor no son tan famosos com los de Villazon... por qué será siendo mas famoso? Eso si, pujan parejo!
aguacun 3 years ago
Really good,but have you ever heard "Ingemisco" sung by the great Giuseppe Di Stefano, cunducted by Victor De Sabata?I really think is the best of all!!!
I do hope someone could post it on Youtube!
schwarzkavalier 3 years ago 2
bien placido ese si agudo le salio bien a pear que el si no era su mejor virtud drlo aunque cmo estaba jven lo podia dar.. bien placido
ivancin25 3 years ago
Si bemol es lo que esta escrito... si natural, nah, nah! Claro..mas joven podia hacer mas fuerza!
aguacun 3 years ago
Great version.
if you love "Ingemisco" take a listen to another great version of it by Canadian tenor Franco Tenelli
TrueOperaVoice 4 years ago
hahahahaha
ericzamir 3 years ago
that's all you can say:::)))
great argument,
TrueOperaVoice 3 years ago
Just a bit of insight. I was blessed to be in the choir for this performance as a senior at Westminster Choir College. I was amazed with Domingo's singing especially because he gave this performance with a severe kidney infection and was in a lot of pain at the time. All these years later, I cant' believe I found this video. If anyone can direct me to the entire performance video I would be forever grateful.
Rigoletto1979 4 years ago
Very good! But...still some flaws...
1.23 to early coming in.
And as fgpad says:
Domingo is no bird singing...
But Bjorlings is more than a bird singing!!
Listen and you will understand.
maxhansendk 4 years ago
Muy lejos de Pav-Karajan.
bohemio79 4 years ago
Lejiiiiiisimooooss...diria que estan en dimensiones diferentes.
aguacun 3 years ago
I love Domingo, and believe he combined power and beauty of tone better than any tenor of his generation --
stevevandien 4 years ago
because Domingo is such a professional, he never faltered when he jumped that entrance. That gets extra points from me. I think this performance is masterful
singinggardener 4 years ago
Is he a little sharp at the beginning? Yes, I think the pitch slips slightly at the end of the last high B flat. But the first one is fine.
Samurai9 4 years ago
I am learning this aria and found out he screwed up at 1:23. He came in just a little earlier.
shangcc 4 years ago
This rendition by -Domingo is excellent!
But...listen to Jussi Bjorlings version of this aria!
It´s divine!
Still we have to give credit to both artists.
It cannot be easy to be a modern tenor with modern hifi technique - And still find out that a mono-artist has done a better version.
maxhansendk 4 years ago
I agree, Bjoerling is amazing!!
grupetto 4 years ago
It is incredibly how everybody in this appears to be great musicians and talks about perfections. I wonder how many of you have recorded as much music as this wonderful tenor, the large repertoir he has got nobody can even get close to him. None of you for sure. I care more for performance with feelings than perfection without the soul of a human. We are not birds singing tones, we are humans singin emotions
fgpad 4 years ago 4
Muy bien.
Pero nadie es perfecto:
Tras "mihi quoque spem dedisti",
repite (se anticipa dos compases)
"Preces meae" (que sigue "non sunt dignae"),
pero como buen músico que es, no pasó nada.
aporlosanodesdelosan 4 years ago
Efectivamente, se adelanta en "Preces meae" entró en 01:23 y debió entrar en 01:27.Pero salió airoso.
grupetto 4 years ago
Excellent! But still not the same class as Bjorling in the transition between registers at the end. Bjorling makes this two octave transition sound like it is the same note.
No one else comes close to this wizardry.
maxhansendk 4 years ago
Was it my imagination or was Placido a little bit flat towards the end of the final high note?
TheAleph74 4 years ago
I have searched for a copy of this video for 25 years;it was wonderful hearing Domingo singing!!!!
MuffyZippy 4 years ago
Fantastico. Muchas gracias por el video
55patri 4 years ago
this a great performance. although, Caballe steals the thunder of all the other singers. Even Domingo is unable to keep-up with her mastery - note that when Domingo makes a mistake he looks in Caballes direction and not the conductor. regards, great to see you back. thanks fro all your work.
TheWiseMonkeys 4 years ago
Wonderful - and such a good picture! I love it :-)))
chmurka7 4 years ago