@Dubs427 no, he earns more money at poker and it's hard to go back to top. he just play one tournament, Poker academie SC2 ( now it's sc2 and not sc )
@co2prod yes i saw Boxer lost some games . Now kor pplz are no long alone on the starcraft scene. Good things that the game is more open. When i see Boxer losing in sc2 games , its often when he try new strategy. But anyway sc2 is a new game and Boxer has to train like everybody
@GrrrDeath He gets outplayed by foreigners and Koreans. He's no longer the best of the best, and he knows that. He's not even the captain of his team SlayerS, MMA is. He trains as much as the other players, but they've simply caught up to him, he was better at BW. Saying he loses simply because he tries new strategies isn't true at all, he just gets outplayed :P
@MindControl008 Elky sucks, oh well good thing he is a multi-millionaire poker pro lol. Also a player that people would gladly pay for lessons in starcraft.
@diekontrolleure so elky was born at Villers-les-nancy, near the city of Nancy, located in FRANCE. I am french myself so i know what am i talking about. If you understand french, you can find several french interviews on youtube, else you can start by checking wikipédia, or anything else.
Grrr is canadian, and his accent proves it. His french doesn't sound like the french spoken here in France.
@Polored1066 i made this stuff up. i knew that elky is french and grrr is canadian. but i didnt know from which city they were and i wanted to find out. so i made an evil plan. i went to youtube and put a ridicilously false statement so that somebody proves me wrong and i get the information i want. you see you have been used to educate me. how does it feel being a part of such a great evil plan?
@raymanlegy is english your second or third language? That little stunt elky pulled was winning something like 18 dollars mass tabling sngs. Many people mass table sngs because it is the lowest variance form of poker, but 64 is a circus stunt that is a waste of ROI (and elky knows this). Also Elky plays for money not points(?) Gaming didn't help him much - there is plenty of magic the gathering converts as well and they can mass multi table too so pro gaming wasn't much help tbh
@man0204 Yeah, that is probably the major reason why Elky can never become one of the best players. But he is still a very good player for non-Koreans
THE COMMENTATOR IS FUCKING DUMB! ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE BOXES THEY PLAYED IN ARE DESIGNED TO BE SOUND PROOF AND WITH THE COMBINATION OF THE HEAD PHONE MAKES IT HARDER FOR EVESDROPPING
Yeah but there is also the stir of the crowd, its not like those "sound proof" boxes are always 100% effective, there is a chance you can hear something. Most likely players get tunnel vision and don't pay attention.
Omg. Ok everybody, as a German myself I must say we do not let ppl with this kind of accent commentate games in english, normally. This is worse than having to apologise for Hitler.
lol kylescotternest boxer IS a champ of starcraft. legends never die you know!?
nobody cares what you stupid dipshit think, it was a very nice game and i don't want to think about if YOU PLAYED THERE. wouldn't have been such a nice game then eh?
you realize elky is filthy rich of poker by now and boxer still plays as a legend?
I remember Elky playing at least 5-8 tables simultaneously at pokerstars a few years ago, he wouldn't be that succesful at poker if he didn't play sc at high level because of the very fast APM he got by playing the game. Terran race requires a lot of APM :P
5-8 is nothing, Elky can do 30+ and most "normal" people can probably manage 8-12 and still play decently. And the major reason why sc players are become successfull in poker is well, a very important concept in SC aswell as poker: adapting to your oponents strategy.
He would probably suck, "too many sunkens bad for economy, ah incomprehensible abilty to mass this many sunkens, bad stradegy brain is overwhelming AHHH"
@tetankemint Unless Elky is winning tournaments left and right, Boxer would have been making more in his prime. Boxer was making 6-7 figures from endorsements let alone prize money.
unless boxer was making 7 figures in american currency then no, i'd still say elky is making more and its not even close. he won a $2 million tourney just a year ago FFS. wiki says he has a career cashouta totalling $2.5 mill but if you check at pokerstars he's actually cashed out a cool $4.5 mill.
@tetankemint Well yes, Boxer was making 7 figures in american currency, but I don't follow elky and his poker runs. Pretty solid job if he's made 4.5m then maybe he's passed Boxer a bit.
wiki states that in his prime, boxer made around $400,00 yearly. now i dont exactly know how long his prime had stretched, but i do think that elky had surpassed him with the winnings from that one tournament alone.
Wow Elky should be really good at starcraft too!..Btw he is one of the top players all over the world at the moment,for those who dont know about poker.
A stationary mouse? ;o You're not referring to the mouse of the observer, are you? Because the observer isn't exactly playing. :<
And if there were times the camera panned to the players that I may have missed, you wouldn't exactly see the mouses move much (for mineral gathering, at least), considering the mouse sensitivity in star craft as well as the distance between the cameras and their hands. ;o
Either mouth or nose is acceptable. Mouth is usually preferred though, because the muscles around your jaw are not required to be used when you let your mouth hang open as if you were a brain-dead vegetable and or stoned out of your mind.
For yall fuckers that say hes not a great POKER player check this out in wiki - "As of 2009, his total live tournament winnings exceed $5,700,000." Just fuckin google the info before makin a statement of ANY SORT! OK ? OK!
Spamming leads to positive effects like getting used to routine clicks and movements while on the other hand thinking about the game. It's like a warm up but also an excercise. On the other hand it helps taking the stress a little and keeping concentrated on what's important and what's not.
is elky good at sc? i come from the poker community and am just getting into sc . always new that elky was involved in it
Dubs427 4 weeks ago
@Dubs427 yes ,ElkY was a professional player in sc. the best french player and one of the best in the world
Willarc1 3 weeks ago
@Willarc1 you know if he still plays?
Dubs427 2 weeks ago
@Dubs427 no, he earns more money at poker and it's hard to go back to top. he just play one tournament, Poker academie SC2 ( now it's sc2 and not sc )
Willarc1 2 weeks ago
i wonder if boxer ever lost vs a no kor rplayer in an official game. if som1 know id be happy to know that ^^
GrrrDeath 2 months ago
@GrrrDeath He loses in sc2 all the time of course, not sure about BW
co2prod 1 month ago
@co2prod yes i saw Boxer lost some games . Now kor pplz are no long alone on the starcraft scene. Good things that the game is more open. When i see Boxer losing in sc2 games , its often when he try new strategy. But anyway sc2 is a new game and Boxer has to train like everybody
GrrrDeath 1 month ago
@GrrrDeath He gets outplayed by foreigners and Koreans. He's no longer the best of the best, and he knows that. He's not even the captain of his team SlayerS, MMA is. He trains as much as the other players, but they've simply caught up to him, he was better at BW. Saying he loses simply because he tries new strategies isn't true at all, he just gets outplayed :P
co2prod 1 month ago
@co2prod yeah i see. I hope Boxer will manage to be as creativ as he was on BW . Its a great pleasure to see him play.
GrrrDeath 1 month ago
@GrrrDeath I hope too :)
co2prod 1 month ago
Does anyone have a video of the match when Elky destroyed his own Command Centre with a Vulture???
Diablo666Daemon666 3 months ago
you go to baptiste8704 please
baptiste8704 3 months ago
how many crazy proxy rax rushs do u think boxer would of lost if you had to make supply before rax in sc1?
MegaDragonWizard 6 months ago
ElkY should've made a blocker bet on the river.
Domenic182 6 months ago
ELKY SUCKS
MindControl008 8 months ago
@MindControl008 Elky sucks, oh well good thing he is a multi-millionaire poker pro lol. Also a player that people would gladly pay for lessons in starcraft.
ArjayBlogs 7 months ago
lim yo hwan!
jax1492 8 months ago
commentator sucks ass
furton 9 months ago
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jax1492 8 months ago
@furton you are really ignorant if you have the balls to make fun of the commentator, he is the reason why there are English commentators ...
jax1492 8 months ago
@jax1492 ah
furton 8 months ago
@furton you better check out WHO the commentator is. he probably pwns your ass..
Bowserfuzzi 8 months ago
elky -> french
Grrr -> canadian (the french-speaking side on canada)
Polored1066 10 months ago
@Polored1066 elky is from toronto and grrr is from paris.... get your facts right you fucking noob
diekontrolleure 10 months ago
@diekontrolleure so elky was born at Villers-les-nancy, near the city of Nancy, located in FRANCE. I am french myself so i know what am i talking about. If you understand french, you can find several french interviews on youtube, else you can start by checking wikipédia, or anything else.
Grrr is canadian, and his accent proves it. His french doesn't sound like the french spoken here in France.
Before you trashtalk, plz check your own facts...
Now, tell me where do your facts come from...
Polored1066 9 months ago
@Polored1066 i made this stuff up. i knew that elky is french and grrr is canadian. but i didnt know from which city they were and i wanted to find out. so i made an evil plan. i went to youtube and put a ridicilously false statement so that somebody proves me wrong and i get the information i want. you see you have been used to educate me. how does it feel being a part of such a great evil plan?
diekontrolleure 9 months ago 2
@diekontrolleure well done ;)
at least everybody knows now
Polored1066 9 months ago
@diekontrolleure Asking for said information would have been much simpler and socially acceptable. Evil plans are not any of those :P
Savci008 8 months ago
@diekontrolleure elky is definitely not from Toronto
tmlms1313 8 months ago
the song of starcraft are the better video games song
Youngweezy973 10 months ago
pantera?? FUCKING AWESOME
MPSecare 11 months ago
he forgot to lift his buildings...
Rohkus 1 year ago
Wtf is this..
Lukawa345 1 year ago
A new level of confidence and power!
JamesAnderyourstruly 1 year ago
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raymanlegy 1 year ago
@raymanlegy is english your second or third language? That little stunt elky pulled was winning something like 18 dollars mass tabling sngs. Many people mass table sngs because it is the lowest variance form of poker, but 64 is a circus stunt that is a waste of ROI (and elky knows this). Also Elky plays for money not points(?) Gaming didn't help him much - there is plenty of magic the gathering converts as well and they can mass multi table too so pro gaming wasn't much help tbh
butternuts000 1 year ago
the voice in the video sounds chinese
jeewoo12 1 year ago
@jeewoo12 He sounds like he is from Sweden or Norway.
GhostDrow 11 months ago
@GhostDrow You idiot... He's obviously from Germany, or Austria
TheMrLBC 11 months ago
what a fag elky is i mean sunglasses ? only the french would do that!
betheman002 1 year ago
@betheman002 : fuck off
zzzouave 11 months ago
@zzzouave sorry elky
betheman002 11 months ago
Elky would own Boxer on the pokah table xD
camposxivth 1 year ago
Elky is such a prick lol, with his lame neo sunglasses xD
Rhapsody17 1 year ago
elky is canadian not korean... Grrr and Elky were both from caanada
SephyraDoom 1 year ago
@SephyraDoom elky is from france stupid
thevoid1231 1 year ago
lol elky what a fag.
bluesharkoon 1 year ago
Elky has made over 6 million dollars this year alone off of poker.
Navigatz 1 year ago
@Navigatz over 5 million total, since he started playing poker. Not this year alone.
maxpepper 1 year ago
@maxpepper Yeah my bad, it was total earnings, since around 2007, still over 6 million though :)
Navigatz 1 year ago
who would play this crappy game??
Xytos 1 year ago
@Xytos can't you see them playin?
dh5325 1 year ago
@Xytos starcraft challenges the mind
betheman002 1 year ago
starcraft!
z3219825 1 year ago
it hurt my eyes.. ^^ sc2 is better :)
lolo333 1 year ago
being on high ground is HUGE in sc 1. about a 50% chance for low ground to miss.
Pluples 1 year ago
Its gay that elevation doesn't have an effect in Starcraft 1. Is it in SC2?
omfg4000 1 year ago
@omfg4000 Elevation has an effect in SCII
Lectro69 1 year ago
11:46 "And I expect this to be a long long game" :D
somedump 1 year ago
why is he wearing sun glases... wtf
man0204 1 year ago
@man0204 Yeah, that is probably the major reason why Elky can never become one of the best players. But he is still a very good player for non-Koreans
TianLaiZhiYing 1 year ago
elky's probably looking back at these matches and saying wow i looked like a faggot
1wonup 1 year ago
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Tchado1000 11 months ago
This game is from 2002 but looks like it is from the 80's lol
FITTbog 1 year ago 2
A good sc commentator should
1. Speak Korean
2. Shout HATCHERYYYYYYYYY
666friends 1 year ago
Elky reminds me of a guy in a film called Grandmas Boy
TheHushCat 1 year ago
elky is wearing shades so boxer wont know if he's bluffing
huyiy 1 year ago 14
He was holding all the aces!
Diablo666Daemon666 3 months ago
game starts at 2:41
FanArt78 1 year ago 12
@FanArt78 ty
Chemesch 1 year ago
THE COMMENTATOR IS FUCKING DUMB! ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE BOXES THEY PLAYED IN ARE DESIGNED TO BE SOUND PROOF AND WITH THE COMBINATION OF THE HEAD PHONE MAKES IT HARDER FOR EVESDROPPING
brendameistar 1 year ago
@brendameistar
Yeah but there is also the stir of the crowd, its not like those "sound proof" boxes are always 100% effective, there is a chance you can hear something. Most likely players get tunnel vision and don't pay attention.
gosciu555 1 year ago
wow this is lamer and more boring then i could imagine wtf people play this for ? lmfao, what the point of tha game, wtf is the goal?
JRN2222 1 year ago
@JRN2222 Haha Oh wow thats a hard one. maybe to defeat the opponent.
dafunker00 1 year ago
@JRN2222 try to play it yourself. watch another video!!. to judge by simply one video is a little bit weak don't you think?
Alexon88 1 year ago
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This guy commentates a lot on Boxer. He's really bad.
Behastie 1 year ago
This guy commentates alot on Boxer. He's really bad.
Behastie 1 year ago
ya definately stick to poker
YEMK 1 year ago
Get Donald Trump to fire this commentator asap.
TaKaMi89 1 year ago
omg Korean commentators are so much more enthusiastic lol
jakethescenester 1 year ago
@jakethescenester lol korean commentators are gay. for example, someone storms, the commentators get a orgasm.
darrens888 1 year ago
@darrens888 exacly this guy is so boring =/
jakethescenester 1 year ago
damn cant believe this was EIGHT years ago
YiDog21 1 year ago
PANTERA!!!!!!!!!!!
MPSecare 1 year ago
Bad read, Elky...
camposxivth 1 year ago
They seriously couldn't find a better commentator for a WCG?..
Leziii 1 year ago 4
Elky noob
m1cr0ph0ne83 1 year ago
@m1cr0ph0ne83 makes more money in poker :-)
foongsteven 1 year ago
Omg. Ok everybody, as a German myself I must say we do not let ppl with this kind of accent commentate games in english, normally. This is worse than having to apologise for Hitler.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago 7
LOL is elky blind?!
Xellos357 1 year ago
Elky plays this while also having 23 poker tables open :D
compdude47 1 year ago 65
poker
azmanntoz 1 year ago
commentator sounds like the fish from american dad
EskaeDaStreetGeek 1 year ago 33
@EskaeDaStreetGeek man relax its great that somone comentait sc when sc2 got out let him be faggface
hellfigter12345 7 months ago
@hellfigter12345
this game is from 2002 and this video was posted in 2006. sc2 was released in 2010. so what the fuck are you talking about?
skaloon 7 months ago
@skaloon dunno lol was high:d enmit i got pawned:D
hellfigter12345 7 months ago
@EskaeDaStreetGeek LOL, epic comment xD
m0zane 7 months ago
Is Elky even that good, seems boxer is just toying around with him through out the whole match
deuone 1 year ago
i wud love to see a TvT on this map these days with all the new strats etc..
mixtapeSC 1 year ago
Elky was born with sunglasses. Also....bizarre
Wazzamazizzi 1 year ago 3
The commentator seems to be such a sissy xD
yoalexx21 1 year ago
insted than zdan :D French commentators
zzerrattull 1 year ago
really? does elky NEED to wear shades?... indoors?
haramer95 1 year ago
bad gg timing by elky
DragonMachida 1 year ago
i think kyle is new to sc lol probaly just barely kno about it on the release of sc2beta
cownerd1 1 year ago
lol kylescotternest boxer IS a champ of starcraft. legends never die you know!?
nobody cares what you stupid dipshit think, it was a very nice game and i don't want to think about if YOU PLAYED THERE. wouldn't have been such a nice game then eh?
you realize elky is filthy rich of poker by now and boxer still plays as a legend?
what have YOU accomplished? ;)
TheHitlerGuy 1 year ago 4
@TheHitlerGuy AMEN!
ShadowDist 1 year ago
@TheHitlerGuy I agree, except for the fact you say SC "was" a nice game, it still is (never mind that if you meant this particular game of SC)
ainumahtar 1 year ago
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boxer needs to face a champ of star craft. i say he should face david kim. i cant believe they havent faught.
kylescotternest 1 year ago
MY GOD ELKY PLAYS GOOD LIKE POKER
MaLiChon 1 year ago
I think it gets embarrassing to wait that long for gg when its obvious that its over. Especially when its an official tournament with audience...
Hunter1900 1 year ago
netherlands
Rudolphius100 1 year ago
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Ha, you can tell this is old by how slowly it takes to load into game.
Watch more recent casts and it's much faster to transition.
Good game though.
GKFC 1 year ago
Wow, no vulture play at all. It's amazing how TvT has changed.
ameryllw 2 years ago
lol it's the same dumb as hell commentator
crolee 2 years ago
wtf is this?
madridisinSpain 2 years ago
hes not german -.-
look at bliizcon info he is from switzerland
sorsorsor11 2 years ago
gosh man stop saying game over
nateev12 2 years ago
He was right though, Elky just didn't want to give it up.
GKFC 1 year ago
but it really was good game.
hoony915 1 year ago
what are you sinking a boat?
Nordoix 2 years ago 2
its a german commentator, one can tell by the way he speaks the th ... really hard to listen to ...
d0ppelD 2 years ago
one of se strongest Players in se world xD
smirko 2 years ago 3
How dare they speak there own language
Gorby01 2 years ago 2
@Gorby01 how dare you say that
BRGDS21 1 year ago
Terrible commentor....... Makes this good battle boring :\
bzerkoxtc 2 years ago 47
@bzerkoxtc well atleast hes speaking english. its so annoying when they only speak korean
Makrillol 2 years ago
@bzerkoxtc but making more money with poker than elky!
OBMSergi 1 year ago
I remember Elky playing at least 5-8 tables simultaneously at pokerstars a few years ago, he wouldn't be that succesful at poker if he didn't play sc at high level because of the very fast APM he got by playing the game. Terran race requires a lot of APM :P
Matedogswe 2 years ago
5-8 is nothing, Elky can do 30+ and most "normal" people can probably manage 8-12 and still play decently. And the major reason why sc players are become successfull in poker is well, a very important concept in SC aswell as poker: adapting to your oponents strategy.
niorehthegun 2 years ago 4
good old SC music :D, and go Boxer, the Emperor!
Undeadspiral 2 years ago
seems like elky is better off playing poker:D
tfowler20 2 years ago 49
yup. Bet he feels extra stupid wearing shades and losing.
campbpar 2 years ago
@tfowler20 Elky does play Poker, just don't know how good he is.
TianLaiZhiYing 1 year ago
I'd say the sunglasses made him unable to recognize his troop's color =]
wommaster 2 years ago 4
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i wonder what boxer is up to these days..probably playuing sunken D or something ha
infestedbigmac 2 years ago
Hahaha, imagine playing Sunken D and you see Boxer's username in the player roster.
Crowmanhunter 2 years ago
He would probably suck, "too many sunkens bad for economy, ah incomprehensible abilty to mass this many sunkens, bad stradegy brain is overwhelming AHHH"
infestedbigmac 2 years ago
He is on SKT1's A-team.
Mantidz 2 years ago
What is boxer doing these days? Not sure but he's probably doing it really really well...
Sectorsophia 2 years ago
Waiting for SC2!!!!
Undeadspiral 2 years ago 2
elky prolonged that way too much. I mean, I like when guys fight to the death, but he was done.
spectergohan 2 years ago
boxer makes a lot of money but elky is on to the bigger leagues now cashwise.
tetankemint 2 years ago
@tetankemint Unless Elky is winning tournaments left and right, Boxer would have been making more in his prime. Boxer was making 6-7 figures from endorsements let alone prize money.
michael22414 2 years ago
unless boxer was making 7 figures in american currency then no, i'd still say elky is making more and its not even close. he won a $2 million tourney just a year ago FFS. wiki says he has a career cashouta totalling $2.5 mill but if you check at pokerstars he's actually cashed out a cool $4.5 mill.
tetankemint 2 years ago
@tetankemint Well yes, Boxer was making 7 figures in american currency, but I don't follow elky and his poker runs. Pretty solid job if he's made 4.5m then maybe he's passed Boxer a bit.
michael22414 2 years ago
wiki states that in his prime, boxer made around $400,00 yearly. now i dont exactly know how long his prime had stretched, but i do think that elky had surpassed him with the winnings from that one tournament alone.
tetankemint 2 years ago
FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS
holy shit
sign me up
portal1337 2 years ago
elky is now a professional poker player. pretty awesome
silep 2 years ago 3
woo rly ? hha
sebol12pl 2 years ago
if you win and keep the center u have an assegurated victory
nicoelson 2 years ago
playing with sunglasses on makes you COOOOOOOOOOOL!!!
deuone 2 years ago
who is the winner?
Profanatic 2 years ago
boxer
He wins by a lot
s2s2 2 years ago
wow that elky is resilient
jetsamjetsam 2 years ago
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xTnT87 2 years ago
come on verses everyone...
jiknal 2 years ago
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so old school scouting with racks lol, nobode does that anymore scv like 10x faster and you would get pwnd if you scouted with ur baracks
canadiancanable 2 years ago
They pretty much have to scout with a barracks, considering HoV is an island map...
ckyisyourfuture 2 years ago 4
If you didn't realize, there were no ramps to the main. Each base was on a cliff.
PhuzyBuny 2 years ago
@canadiancanable dude did u not notice how the mains were on cliffs. so scv wouldnt work in this map
basher481 2 years ago
Thats nuts, I just knew him from Poker. Didn't realize he was this good at SC too
NewAgenda10 2 years ago 3
lol at elky. 'just a chip and a chair' doesn't work in starcraft.
ihateuutube 2 years ago
my gosh, he really does play starcraft!
Carpathia06 2 years ago
yes, and he's probably the most successful non Korean SC player ever
legi0nnaire 2 years ago 3
That was like the black knight from Monty Python - confident he can win because he still has one leg left.
HypocriticalElitist 2 years ago
after 1,246 seconds i realized he is german
newsupast 2 years ago
why the sunglasses LOL!!!!!
they dont want to see ya face Elky! XD
G0th4ki 2 years ago
Wow Elky should be really good at starcraft too!..Btw he is one of the top players all over the world at the moment,for those who dont know about poker.
hasteros 2 years ago
The commentator really sucks.
DarkLotus118 2 years ago
dont real sc players micro there mineral gathering, i just see a stationary mouse here?
QuaziGNRLNose 2 years ago
@QuaziGNRLNose:
A stationary mouse? ;o You're not referring to the mouse of the observer, are you? Because the observer isn't exactly playing. :<
And if there were times the camera panned to the players that I may have missed, you wouldn't exactly see the mouses move much (for mineral gathering, at least), considering the mouse sensitivity in star craft as well as the distance between the cameras and their hands. ;o
Hope this "answers" you. o3o
123xcharmerx321 2 years ago
Is mouth breathing a requirement to be a pro SC player?
AbusiveRogue 2 years ago
Either mouth or nose is acceptable. Mouth is usually preferred though, because the muscles around your jaw are not required to be used when you let your mouth hang open as if you were a brain-dead vegetable and or stoned out of your mind.
Makonu2 2 years ago
mouth breathing is a requirement to stay alive... so yes.
joebmaster 2 years ago
It is? Since when? I'm still perfectly alive without mouthbreathing.
AbusiveRogue 2 years ago
For yall fuckers that say hes not a great POKER player check this out in wiki - "As of 2009, his total live tournament winnings exceed $5,700,000." Just fuckin google the info before makin a statement of ANY SORT! OK ? OK!
bkraytchev 2 years ago
20:20 VOICE CRACK
Radwalls 2 years ago
i disagree, it was on purpose
songsmadeforyou 2 years ago
Spamming leads to positive effects like getting used to routine clicks and movements while on the other hand thinking about the game. It's like a warm up but also an excercise. On the other hand it helps taking the stress a little and keeping concentrated on what's important and what's not.
Changer01 2 years ago 2
Beating Alky, lol
Changer01 2 years ago
elky.... he is pro poker player now
se0163 2 years ago 2