oh by the way, i'm NOT SAYING that Christians don't sin! I'm saying that Jesus pays the price, which is everlasting shame and contempt before God... we are saved from the CURSE of the law... we are saved, yes, do good, but just 'love God and TRY'... and stop fretting if you are able :)
it says that ALL will be raised, some to everlasting LIFE, some to everlasting SHAME AND CONTEMPT. Jesus came to save us! oh death where is your sting, the sting of death being sin, have you ever noticed that when you try to 'be good' you SHAME nasty people? and if you say ANYTHING they get downright ANGRY, and call you judgemental etc. that's what hell is, having to look in the face of a perfect God! if sin is destroyed, hell would become heaven and if it is not, heaven would become hell...
@misplacedwonder Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
@jumanous 1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
@whatthehellbook yes yes, even tho the doctrine of hell maybe TRUE, i think it's better to concentrate on how badly we need Jesus NOW, and how infinitely KIND He is to sinners, all i know is that without Jesus, i can do nothing
@misplacedwonder Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Stubble burns away so completely that there is nothing at all left. This is what will happen to the wicked.
@jumanous hello sweetie, thanks for replying, i'm actually a secret universalist, so no need to preach annihilation to the choir lol Jesus said... EVEN THO THE LAW IS TRUE, 'let you who is without sin, cast the first stone' and He was the only one who could cast that stone, and HE DIDN'T, so even tho hellfire may be 'true' i am trusting that Jesus came to save THE WORLD, not condemn it :)
@misplacedwonder it would be nice to believe everyone was saved, but those texts don't say what you are saying. The bible is incredibly clear that there are 2 classes of people... those who will go to heaven, and those who won't.
@misplacedwonder yes.. everyone is raised after the 1000 years in heaven to build an army with satan to take the city. The fact that they fight will prove once and for all that they could actually never be truly converted, even if given another chance.
@jumanous well it's amazing what the Bible CLEARLY SAYS to anyone and everyone, i choose to trust Jesus' work at saving the world, but that's just me, you can feel free to believe your interpretation and i will be even more FREE with my interpretation lol
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
@BlazyJon Daniel clearly lays the foundation for this prophecy you are referencing. Please be open minded about this. A seeker of the truth has nothing to fear from open and honest investigation. Please understand that the battle of the last days will be between those who "keep the commandments of God" (all ten) and those who have the mark of the beast (those who acknowledge the beasts commandments above God's). Islam is a minor player in all of this.
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife? God will still judge but He will not punish forever. Join in at whatthehellbook . com
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
@whatthehellbook No the bible doesn't teach eternal punishment, but it does teach eternal consequences... it does not teach salvation for all (though it is available to all if they turn) 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
@whatthehellbook Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
1Timothy 4:10 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men, ESPECIALLY of those believing. These things command and teach.
Romans 5:18"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" In the end ALL ALL ALL AAAAAAAAALLLLL WILL BE SAVED
1Timothy 4:10 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men, ESPECIALLY of those believing. These things command and teach.
Romans 5:18"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" In the end ALL ALL ALL AAAAAAAAALLLLL WILL BE SAVED
I have a question - those that have not received the message of the Gospel, can they still go to heaven? Because didn't Paul say that those that had not heard of the Law will not be judged by it? Only those who purposefully reject the Gospel and Christ will be held accountable for that and won't be able to enter God's eternal Kingdom, correct?
@cycler7755 it all comes down to timing. We shouldn't get too worried about other peoples salvation, as we don't know where they are in there head so we can only really speculate.
If people are able to get the information and don't bother reading it, it is the same as rejecting it. Also, short of some areas of the amazon jungle and a few remote areas, I have my doubts that anyone would be left who wouldn't have access to the gospel. God said if we didn't preach it "the stones would cry out"
@aell0111 they cease to exist. Remember Satan's lie "you will not surely die". That is the source of the concept of the immortal soul. It is not supported by the bible... although it is clear from this whole may 21st debarkle, you can twist the bible to say almost anything if you try hard enough!!
@SHIBBYiPANDA Sure, God could do whatever he wanted to.... but He has stated what He will do. The reality is, all of us will be given a good enough chance to choose the right path, and the vast majority, even if they had a perfect understanding of the correct path, would not choose it, so re-incarnating them over and over would be essentially pointless, as they would come out to some varying degree on the wrong path. This would probably turn out to be worse torture than the death they receive.
@jumanous why would they come out on the wrong path every time? Did He create them with something wrong with their souls? That's not very fair then.. Surely we're all equal and what we do depends on our mind and environments.. He could just have everyone cycle through different lives with different mental builds until they all accept Christ. If He's all capable, then He could easily invent a way to convince everyone to turn to Jesus.
@SHIBBYiPANDA if it was only to believe, Satan would be saved. There is more to it that simply accepting Jesus... you have to love him also. We created the diseased and demented souls that have degenerated from the first time we chose to sin in the Garden. If you look at the degeneration of the human species from the stature of Adam, it's a wonder any of us can be saved. Praise God he figured out a way to salvage a few of us! All we need to worry about is if we are ready for Christ's return
@jumanous I never suggested that it was only about belief.. God could easily create a system thru which everyone eventually learns to love Jesus, repent of sin, ask forgiveness, and be saved.. without having to send them to destruction.. For the creator to end up destroying his creation implies he's either not capable of redeeming it, incompetent, or unwilling man..
Note I am also NOT saying that God could just mind control us.. I'm saying He could persuade us all to choose righteously.. easy
@SHIBBYiPANDA As most evolutionists think they are smarter than God, and can design a more efficient skeletal structure (for example), they only think this way because they don't know all the variables God had to deal with. It is pretty much as silly as an ant saying to you that there are plenty of ways for you to survive without building a house.
The only way is to remove freewill, and that defeats the purpose.
@jumanous No, what's silly is that you are ignoring what I'm saying completely.. I'm not saying God would have to remove freewill.. I'm He could convince with evidence and experience that Jesus is the way to go.. God could easily persuade even the devil in a second. Pleez don't ignore what I'm saying..
Also who the hell thinks they are smarter than God?? Only an idiot would think that and certainly no major biologist thinks that certainly not 'most evolutionists'. That's just not true..
@SHIBBYiPANDA I know exactly what you are saying, however, you are assuming once people are rationally convinced that God's way is the better way, they will choose it. I have had many people convinced about the truth of God and the bible, and that in the long term it was far better, however they said they couldn't live without - insert cherished sin here. Satan knew God's way was better, he could see it with his own eyes, but he wanted his own way.
@jumanous okay well that's kind of where I'm going except you added an extra thing to provide an extra condition on there, which changed it to be something I wasn't saying.... But let me try this again;
God could, at any time, demonstrate through experience and evidence, reason enough to cause any sane person to choose Him and His will, over ANY sin or vice they were connected to, with their own free will.
There.. No matter what conditions you put against Him, God's love could win..
@SHIBBYiPANDA remember the story of the exodus? He opened the red sea to them, and delivered them out of the hands of their captors, then he miraculously fed them with manna from heaven in the desert? Even those amazing things occured, and they still claimed that God was dragging them out into the wilderness to kill them... and still they made an idol and has an orgy. Yet the levites did not join in. They were a small few, it is how it has always been.
@jumanous Satan obviously couldn't see that God's way was definitely better otherwise he wouldn't have chosen it unless he was insane.. If he's insane he can't be judged as a sane creature. Also if you'd like to talk, please limit you're response to just one comment at a time, it gets annoying to have to go thru the comment section and address each individual comment box so lets keep this simple if we're going to communicate.. Big spread out multi messages are not productive..
@jumanous If Satan could see understand that God's way was, in every way, the best way.. And he still chose to act contrary to that, then he is not a rational being and cannot, justly, be judged as one.. So which is it?;
- God designed Satan to think it was better to reject God,
or
- Satan went insane and is acting in ways that are contrary to his reason.
@SHIBBYiPANDA most evolutionsts don't believe in God, because they believe they have proven the bible wrong with their silly theories. So yes, they do believe they are smarter than God.
@jumanous Believing that the Bible is wrong is completely different from believing you have more intelligence than a being who could create the entire universe, no? That is a non sequitur.. The Pope believes in evolution and yet he's the Pope, who I sincerely doubt thinks that he is smarter than Who he gets his authority from.. There are also evolutionist who are atheistic who claim that God may exist, such as Richard Dawkins, and I doubt they think they are smarter if they think that, no?
@SHIBBYiPANDA not if their claim is accurate. They claim not to believe in him, because of the evidence. The Holy Spirit (God) wrote the bible, therefore they are claiming to be smarter than the bible. Many theologians do this also... I could concede that Atheists are just ignorant of God, so they don't think they are smarter, however theistic evolutionist theologians (or even old earther theologians), are clearly stating they are smarter than the word of God, which is Jesus.
@jumanous ya but non-Christians don't accept that the Bible was written by the HS so they aren't claiming to be smarter than God.. Would you say a Muslim claims to be smart than God because he believes his parents that the Koran is true?? Evolutionists are claiming that the think there is evidence to support that the Genesis story is not a literal historical narrative.. Its not really fair of you, and kind of judgmental, to try to paint that kind of picture of them as super arrogant God haters..
@SHIBBYiPANDA hmm.. haven't heard anything by Dawkins lately have you? Christ claims the Genesis story is a historical narrative, so if they call themselves Christian and say the bible isn't a historical narrative, then they aren't Christian, they are just pretending to be.
@jumanous Dawkins? He obviously doesn't believe that the Bible is by God but he admits constantly that a God MIGHT exist, he just doesn't think one does...... And that's kind of judgmental of you.. No one knows for sure who wrote the Gospels and no one knows, for certain, what Jesus said about anything.. Francis Collins is probably the most important Christian scientist today and he wrote a book about belief in both evolution and Bible. The last Pope said "evolution was more than a theory."
@jumanous Haha well the last Pope believed there was merit to the theory of evolution, The Vatican acknowledges the evidence, St. Augustine came up with an interpretation of genesis which essentially was the theory of evolution and that was 1500 years ago in the early Earth is the center of the universe church, and if you don't know who Francis Collins is, look him up because he's huge.. U say all those people are 'pretending' to be Christians because they don't agree with your interpretation?
@SHIBBYiPANDA The papacy is the antichrist, so the pope can believe what he wants. That "the earth was flat" idea was only ever supported by 2 obscure scientists... it was never the consensus until in the 70s a book was written to make creationists look stupid. creation . com/who-invented-the-flat-earth
@jumanous haha nah man I never said nething about the Bible saying the Earth was flat.. I just mentioned that the Vatican did hold the belief that the Earth was the center of the solar system for a long time. I'm sure no serious scientist has said that for a long time..
@jumanous That's just ridiculous my friend.. God is by definition omniscient and omnipowerful and no one who believes in evolution thinks that they are omniscient or omnipowerful.. Stop saying things like that or else we're not going to have a productive conversation..
@jumanous the sad thing is that many don't see it, because they read the bible but according to their own understanding. but in these last days God is waking up people.
Well for a while i was an atheist, well not really an atheist. Just right in the middle trying to decide on what to beleive in... I was in the middle because why doesn't god come to warn us? Well that's just something that's got be concerned. But right not i am now a Christian. But although i do not beleive the world is 6,000 years old.
I really don't know what to decide, for now i will remain Christian even though i do not beleive it is 6,000 years old as it says in the bible.
@YoungMoney835 hi, I slipped into that a while back, and I had to look very deeply into the age of the earth issue. If you want, just message me and I can give you a bunch of very solid evidence on the age of the earth being young. I doubt you have heard them before either, as I hadn't.
@jumanous Hmm.... I think you would be better asking scientists your questions regarding the age of the earth. I hate to say it but religious people including psudo(sp lol)scientists unfortunately have an agenda where true scientists have only one agenda finding out the 'truth" No pressure to convert others. Anyway, good luck in your own search for the truth. :)
If you genuinely wish to find the truth on this matter, the concept that scientists have no agenda is one you need to explore more deeply. If you think about it, atheist scientists have no logical construction for being honest. It is only "thou shalt not get caught" that they need to follow. Christian Scientists (I mean PhDs who are Christian) have a lot to lose by upholding scripture. In fact they believe they will burn if they lie. I know who I would have more faith in.
@jumanous you said, "It is only "thou shalt not get caught" that they need to follow." If you think that's how science works, you know nothing about that field and should take some college level courses in science. Learn what the scientific method is and how that helps keep scientists in check. Religion has no accountability as shown by lovely people like Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, the Rev Jim Baker, Jimmy Swagert, shall I keep going?
@mythicalhell The former Oral Roberts, Robert Tilton, Al Sharpton, Mark Coppenger, Popoff, Paige Patterson, J.N. Darby, C. Stanley, Chuch Swindol, the pope, Richard Robert, T.D. Jakes, Fred Price, Marilyn Hickey, K. Copeland, G. Copland, Joyce Meyer, Clinton and Sarah Utterbach. I can keep going if you need me to but I hope you got the point.
@mythicalhell I have done many college level courses on History of Evolutionary theory, Evolutionary biology, micro biology, Physics and chemistry (secular university). I work in a science field, and I talk to a lot of scientists. You are being lead down the garden path if you believe scientists follow unbiased methods.
I can mention names too, like Dawkins, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan, shall I keep going? All these guys blatantly lie on a regular basis in order to perpetuate a dead hypothesis.
@YoungMoney835 Why would you have even thought to have called yourself a one time atheist if you weren't? I hope it was a slip up, and you don't go around saying that in other channels as it would be mis-leading.
Hmm.... I think you would be better asking scientists your questions regarding the age of the earth. I hate to say it but religious people including psudo(sp lol)scientists unfortunately have an agenda where true scientists have only one agenda finding out the 'truth" No pressure to convert others. Anyway, good luck in your own search for the truth. :)
@parkhunter NO, people with disease are not exclusive to non-christians! The medical field(science)is finding more and more cures for diseases as technology and knowledge becomes better. There's cures for lepersy now and many forms of cancer, etc. If this god wanted the lost to be afflicted with disease, why would he let science create or find cures? Dang, some religious people like jumanous drive me batty with their literal(or no critical thinking at all) thinking
@mywereldza If you trusted God only out of fear, there was no hope for you being saved anyway. God doesn't want people to love him because they have to, otherwise he would have just killed Satan and the 1/3 of the angels that fell, and made some more.
Spend your life disobeying God, and the torture you get in this life will be punishment enough.
I'm happy that you are free from a false religion.
@parkhunter hi, thanks for your question. During the last plagues the people receive many torments, and during this time they have no rest day or night. It also says "the smoke" rises forever. This is the effect of their torment continues forever. People will be punished according to their works, and then they will be annihilated. The wicked certainly don't get off easy.
@jumanous Hi man thanks 4 your response a while ago, i hope you can answer some more questions.
Like how far can the devil go with forcing people to take the mark, is it like take it or be killed or is it like stave or take it because without the mark you won´t be able to buy ur sell or can man be tortured for days or weeks until they take the mark or do people must pledge to satan out of free will, hope you can clear this one out for me!
@parkhunter Hi. What will happen will be a slow transition. At the start the sunday law will be a mild refraining from work. This has already happened, but it goes in and out regularly. Then it will become legislated where you will be fined (this happens in germany already). Then it will become illegal to worship on Saturday. There will be an enforcement in the courts, and we will be unable to buy or sell. This will come as a result of a major economic crash.
@parkhunter ... the economic crash will cause the end of small business as such (this won't necessarily be universal), and there will only really be large corporations (this is almost complete). In order to work for many of these large companies you will eventually have to work on the Sabbath. I believe this is the initial means of "can't buy or sell". Then after the close of probation, and the plagues start, we will be blamed for these, and the death decree will go into place.
@parkhunter just a side note... it won't be like the dark ages again, but there may be isolated incidences of torture (like there are today). The great tribulation such as never was and never will be again, has already been fulfilled by the dark ages. The persecution we will get will be a mind game. We will be in the hills, and we will be concerned about our own salvation, and will be struggling with this, rather than with men. This is the time of Jacobs Trouble... it will be very tough.
At the same time, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. And it seems that those who do not overcome are resurrected at the great white throne judgment.
The only line of thought that reconciles the two is universal salvation. Because each of us is wicked and that fire changes us, but each in his own time. Also, when we put on immortality, if our memories (identities) are not erased, then our joy depends in seeing that all have been saved.
I was hoping to be the 666 viewer...lol....some good thoughts here....thanks....though....."before the time" passage.....new covenant had not taken it's eternal place, ie. the jewish system had not been completely put away,....so does can this be placed at the end of time, or after the time of AD 70.......hmmmmm...still trying to figure this out....god bless
Hi Paul, To put things simply The Penality of Sin is Death but the free Gift of God is Everlasting Life through Jesus Christ his Son. Gods Judgement of our Sin was placed on his Son which was Death. so believers won't Perish but receive his Everlasting life. Those who do NOT accept Christs Salvation will be Destroyed by Gods Everlasting fire or righteous Judgement brings justified Extinction Therefore his fire is Eternal NOT the punishment,Devil and all Evil gone forever! Steve.
Praise God, a humbly presented description of what the Eternal Fire is all about!
NOT a Merciless Eternal Torture of lost Souls. I thank you for your courage to present the Truth, which is falsely taught in many Churchs, that Hell is an Eternal
place of everlasting Punishment.Bible says For God so loved world than he gave his only Son, so that who ever believes in him, should not PERISH, but have EVERlasting life.
For the Penality of Sin is DEATH but the free Gift of God is ETERNAL life.
i think eternal fire is for the most stubborn and refused God in the afterlife after God pleaded for accepting His grace. i don't understand how such people could refuse God.
If hell is real, and eternal, and painful, theoretically would it not be the greatest sacrifice possibly imaginable if one person could single handedly wipe out the human race thereby preventing any more souls from entering hell? This person would presumably be the last person sent to hell thus having performed a REAL sacrifice, and thus saving all future souls from committing mortal sins. Somebody please wanna give me a good answer to this?
lol... oops. I have been buying too much stuff on ebay lately to shoot these Daniel 11 seminars coming up, so I have ebay on my mind. I meant youtuber :P
Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us BEFORE the time?
Even the demons knew that the wicked don't suffer now but there is a set time when Christ will send forth His judgement. Hence the word *BEFORE* the time.
oh by the way, i'm NOT SAYING that Christians don't sin! I'm saying that Jesus pays the price, which is everlasting shame and contempt before God... we are saved from the CURSE of the law... we are saved, yes, do good, but just 'love God and TRY'... and stop fretting if you are able :)
misplacedwonder 4 days ago
it says that ALL will be raised, some to everlasting LIFE, some to everlasting SHAME AND CONTEMPT. Jesus came to save us! oh death where is your sting, the sting of death being sin, have you ever noticed that when you try to 'be good' you SHAME nasty people? and if you say ANYTHING they get downright ANGRY, and call you judgemental etc. that's what hell is, having to look in the face of a perfect God! if sin is destroyed, hell would become heaven and if it is not, heaven would become hell...
misplacedwonder 4 days ago
@misplacedwonder Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
jumanous 4 days ago
@jumanous 1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
1 John 2:2- He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
whatthehellbook 4 days ago
@whatthehellbook yes yes, even tho the doctrine of hell maybe TRUE, i think it's better to concentrate on how badly we need Jesus NOW, and how infinitely KIND He is to sinners, all i know is that without Jesus, i can do nothing
misplacedwonder 4 days ago
@misplacedwonder The doctrine of hell isn't true. If it were, we would have one sick and twisted God who would be in no way worthy of our worship.
jumanous 3 days ago
@misplacedwonder Mal_4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Stubble burns away so completely that there is nothing at all left. This is what will happen to the wicked.
jumanous 4 days ago
@jumanous hello sweetie, thanks for replying, i'm actually a secret universalist, so no need to preach annihilation to the choir lol Jesus said... EVEN THO THE LAW IS TRUE, 'let you who is without sin, cast the first stone' and He was the only one who could cast that stone, and HE DIDN'T, so even tho hellfire may be 'true' i am trusting that Jesus came to save THE WORLD, not condemn it :)
misplacedwonder 4 days ago
@misplacedwonder it would be nice to believe everyone was saved, but those texts don't say what you are saying. The bible is incredibly clear that there are 2 classes of people... those who will go to heaven, and those who won't.
jumanous 3 days ago
@misplacedwonder yes.. everyone is raised after the 1000 years in heaven to build an army with satan to take the city. The fact that they fight will prove once and for all that they could actually never be truly converted, even if given another chance.
jumanous 3 days ago
@jumanous well it's amazing what the Bible CLEARLY SAYS to anyone and everyone, i choose to trust Jesus' work at saving the world, but that's just me, you can feel free to believe your interpretation and i will be even more FREE with my interpretation lol
misplacedwonder 3 days ago
Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the woman that rides the scarlet beast. Mecca sits on seven mountains. Five kings have fallen (Rev 17) and one is in Saudi Arabia today. One of the kings (Rev 13 and Rev 17) received a fatal wound; he is the king who was and is not and will come. He will ascend the bottomless pit and go to destruction. He, is not, because of the fatal wound. Mecca's port Jidda is the wealthiest port in the middle east and western asia.go to meccasevenmountains dot blogspot dot com
BlazyJon 1 month ago
@BlazyJon Daniel clearly lays the foundation for this prophecy you are referencing. Please be open minded about this. A seeker of the truth has nothing to fear from open and honest investigation. Please understand that the battle of the last days will be between those who "keep the commandments of God" (all ten) and those who have the mark of the beast (those who acknowledge the beasts commandments above God's). Islam is a minor player in all of this.
carp1844 4 days ago
The Bible does not teach eternal punishment. God's love and mercy endures forever. Does it really endure forever or only in this life? How can it be Good News if it doesn't translate to the afterlife? God will still judge but He will not punish forever. Join in at whatthehellbook . com
1 Timothy 4:10- This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers.
youtube.com/watch?v=yjRcO1Sm0HU
whatthehellbook 4 months ago
@whatthehellbook No the bible doesn't teach eternal punishment, but it does teach eternal consequences... it does not teach salvation for all (though it is available to all if they turn) 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
jumanous 4 days ago
@whatthehellbook Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
jumanous 4 days ago
1Timothy 4:10 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men, ESPECIALLY of those believing. These things command and teach.
Romans 5:18"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" In the end ALL ALL ALL AAAAAAAAALLLLL WILL BE SAVED
motibi 4 months ago
1Timothy 4:10 "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL men, ESPECIALLY of those believing. These things command and teach.
Romans 5:18"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" In the end ALL ALL ALL AAAAAAAAALLLLL WILL BE SAVED
motibi 4 months ago
Careful, this guy is waaayyy too laid back when talking about what happens to "the wicked".
If he's teaching annihilationism, then he's just as wrong as the neverending punishment people.
SwordandShield7 5 months ago
Great video, thanks for your honesty. I've just written a book that will be out soon about this subject.
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alyssafaithbaer 5 months ago
I have a question - those that have not received the message of the Gospel, can they still go to heaven? Because didn't Paul say that those that had not heard of the Law will not be judged by it? Only those who purposefully reject the Gospel and Christ will be held accountable for that and won't be able to enter God's eternal Kingdom, correct?
cycler7755 8 months ago
@cycler7755 it all comes down to timing. We shouldn't get too worried about other peoples salvation, as we don't know where they are in there head so we can only really speculate.
If people are able to get the information and don't bother reading it, it is the same as rejecting it. Also, short of some areas of the amazon jungle and a few remote areas, I have my doubts that anyone would be left who wouldn't have access to the gospel. God said if we didn't preach it "the stones would cry out"
jumanous 8 months ago
That is a beautiful explanation brother. Thank you very much for that. God bless you
cycler7755 8 months ago
wait im confused, tourment is not forever? but where do the tourmented go after that??
aell0111 8 months ago
@aell0111 they cease to exist. Remember Satan's lie "you will not surely die". That is the source of the concept of the immortal soul. It is not supported by the bible... although it is clear from this whole may 21st debarkle, you can twist the bible to say almost anything if you try hard enough!!
jumanous 8 months ago
Gods eternal punishment is destruction forever( as in existed and existing no more) Not burning forever this is doctrine of demons
Thegreyraccoon 10 months ago
@Thegreyraccoon couldn't agree more.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous why would God even have to do that? Couldn't he just reincarnate people so that they eventually accept Christ?
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA Sure, God could do whatever he wanted to.... but He has stated what He will do. The reality is, all of us will be given a good enough chance to choose the right path, and the vast majority, even if they had a perfect understanding of the correct path, would not choose it, so re-incarnating them over and over would be essentially pointless, as they would come out to some varying degree on the wrong path. This would probably turn out to be worse torture than the death they receive.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous why would they come out on the wrong path every time? Did He create them with something wrong with their souls? That's not very fair then.. Surely we're all equal and what we do depends on our mind and environments.. He could just have everyone cycle through different lives with different mental builds until they all accept Christ. If He's all capable, then He could easily invent a way to convince everyone to turn to Jesus.
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA if it was only to believe, Satan would be saved. There is more to it that simply accepting Jesus... you have to love him also. We created the diseased and demented souls that have degenerated from the first time we chose to sin in the Garden. If you look at the degeneration of the human species from the stature of Adam, it's a wonder any of us can be saved. Praise God he figured out a way to salvage a few of us! All we need to worry about is if we are ready for Christ's return
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous I never suggested that it was only about belief.. God could easily create a system thru which everyone eventually learns to love Jesus, repent of sin, ask forgiveness, and be saved.. without having to send them to destruction.. For the creator to end up destroying his creation implies he's either not capable of redeeming it, incompetent, or unwilling man..
Note I am also NOT saying that God could just mind control us.. I'm saying He could persuade us all to choose righteously.. easy
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA As most evolutionists think they are smarter than God, and can design a more efficient skeletal structure (for example), they only think this way because they don't know all the variables God had to deal with. It is pretty much as silly as an ant saying to you that there are plenty of ways for you to survive without building a house.
The only way is to remove freewill, and that defeats the purpose.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous No, what's silly is that you are ignoring what I'm saying completely.. I'm not saying God would have to remove freewill.. I'm He could convince with evidence and experience that Jesus is the way to go.. God could easily persuade even the devil in a second. Pleez don't ignore what I'm saying..
Also who the hell thinks they are smarter than God?? Only an idiot would think that and certainly no major biologist thinks that certainly not 'most evolutionists'. That's just not true..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA I know exactly what you are saying, however, you are assuming once people are rationally convinced that God's way is the better way, they will choose it. I have had many people convinced about the truth of God and the bible, and that in the long term it was far better, however they said they couldn't live without - insert cherished sin here. Satan knew God's way was better, he could see it with his own eyes, but he wanted his own way.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous okay well that's kind of where I'm going except you added an extra thing to provide an extra condition on there, which changed it to be something I wasn't saying.... But let me try this again;
God could, at any time, demonstrate through experience and evidence, reason enough to cause any sane person to choose Him and His will, over ANY sin or vice they were connected to, with their own free will.
There.. No matter what conditions you put against Him, God's love could win..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA remember the story of the exodus? He opened the red sea to them, and delivered them out of the hands of their captors, then he miraculously fed them with manna from heaven in the desert? Even those amazing things occured, and they still claimed that God was dragging them out into the wilderness to kill them... and still they made an idol and has an orgy. Yet the levites did not join in. They were a small few, it is how it has always been.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous Satan obviously couldn't see that God's way was definitely better otherwise he wouldn't have chosen it unless he was insane.. If he's insane he can't be judged as a sane creature. Also if you'd like to talk, please limit you're response to just one comment at a time, it gets annoying to have to go thru the comment section and address each individual comment box so lets keep this simple if we're going to communicate.. Big spread out multi messages are not productive..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@jumanous If Satan could see understand that God's way was, in every way, the best way.. And he still chose to act contrary to that, then he is not a rational being and cannot, justly, be judged as one.. So which is it?;
- God designed Satan to think it was better to reject God,
or
- Satan went insane and is acting in ways that are contrary to his reason.
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA most evolutionsts don't believe in God, because they believe they have proven the bible wrong with their silly theories. So yes, they do believe they are smarter than God.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous Believing that the Bible is wrong is completely different from believing you have more intelligence than a being who could create the entire universe, no? That is a non sequitur.. The Pope believes in evolution and yet he's the Pope, who I sincerely doubt thinks that he is smarter than Who he gets his authority from.. There are also evolutionist who are atheistic who claim that God may exist, such as Richard Dawkins, and I doubt they think they are smarter if they think that, no?
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA not if their claim is accurate. They claim not to believe in him, because of the evidence. The Holy Spirit (God) wrote the bible, therefore they are claiming to be smarter than the bible. Many theologians do this also... I could concede that Atheists are just ignorant of God, so they don't think they are smarter, however theistic evolutionist theologians (or even old earther theologians), are clearly stating they are smarter than the word of God, which is Jesus.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous ya but non-Christians don't accept that the Bible was written by the HS so they aren't claiming to be smarter than God.. Would you say a Muslim claims to be smart than God because he believes his parents that the Koran is true?? Evolutionists are claiming that the think there is evidence to support that the Genesis story is not a literal historical narrative.. Its not really fair of you, and kind of judgmental, to try to paint that kind of picture of them as super arrogant God haters..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA hmm.. haven't heard anything by Dawkins lately have you? Christ claims the Genesis story is a historical narrative, so if they call themselves Christian and say the bible isn't a historical narrative, then they aren't Christian, they are just pretending to be.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous Dawkins? He obviously doesn't believe that the Bible is by God but he admits constantly that a God MIGHT exist, he just doesn't think one does...... And that's kind of judgmental of you.. No one knows for sure who wrote the Gospels and no one knows, for certain, what Jesus said about anything.. Francis Collins is probably the most important Christian scientist today and he wrote a book about belief in both evolution and Bible. The last Pope said "evolution was more than a theory."
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. Thank you for your comments, but this is starting to get circular.
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous Haha well the last Pope believed there was merit to the theory of evolution, The Vatican acknowledges the evidence, St. Augustine came up with an interpretation of genesis which essentially was the theory of evolution and that was 1500 years ago in the early Earth is the center of the universe church, and if you don't know who Francis Collins is, look him up because he's huge.. U say all those people are 'pretending' to be Christians because they don't agree with your interpretation?
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@SHIBBYiPANDA The papacy is the antichrist, so the pope can believe what he wants. That "the earth was flat" idea was only ever supported by 2 obscure scientists... it was never the consensus until in the 70s a book was written to make creationists look stupid. creation . com/who-invented-the-flat-earth
jumanous 9 months ago
@jumanous haha nah man I never said nething about the Bible saying the Earth was flat.. I just mentioned that the Vatican did hold the belief that the Earth was the center of the solar system for a long time. I'm sure no serious scientist has said that for a long time..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@jumanous That's just ridiculous my friend.. God is by definition omniscient and omnipowerful and no one who believes in evolution thinks that they are omniscient or omnipowerful.. Stop saying things like that or else we're not going to have a productive conversation..
SHIBBYiPANDA 9 months ago
@jumanous the sad thing is that many don't see it, because they read the bible but according to their own understanding. but in these last days God is waking up people.
Thegreyraccoon 9 months ago
@Thegreyraccoon yea it is. It's just satans way of making God look worse than him. Hell is a rather disgusting concept.
jumanous 9 months ago
A professor said to me, "Either matter is eternal, or something created it. And, since we know that matter decays, we cannot call it eternal."
7Epitaph 10 months ago
Well for a while i was an atheist, well not really an atheist. Just right in the middle trying to decide on what to beleive in... I was in the middle because why doesn't god come to warn us? Well that's just something that's got be concerned. But right not i am now a Christian. But although i do not beleive the world is 6,000 years old.
I really don't know what to decide, for now i will remain Christian even though i do not beleive it is 6,000 years old as it says in the bible.
YoungMoney835 11 months ago
@YoungMoney835 hi, I slipped into that a while back, and I had to look very deeply into the age of the earth issue. If you want, just message me and I can give you a bunch of very solid evidence on the age of the earth being young. I doubt you have heard them before either, as I hadn't.
jumanous 11 months ago
@jumanous Hmm.... I think you would be better asking scientists your questions regarding the age of the earth. I hate to say it but religious people including psudo(sp lol)scientists unfortunately have an agenda where true scientists have only one agenda finding out the 'truth" No pressure to convert others. Anyway, good luck in your own search for the truth. :)
mythicalhell 10 months ago
If you genuinely wish to find the truth on this matter, the concept that scientists have no agenda is one you need to explore more deeply. If you think about it, atheist scientists have no logical construction for being honest. It is only "thou shalt not get caught" that they need to follow. Christian Scientists (I mean PhDs who are Christian) have a lot to lose by upholding scripture. In fact they believe they will burn if they lie. I know who I would have more faith in.
jumanous 10 months ago
@jumanous Oh, I sent my comment to you when it was meant for another person, just disregard.
ps I found the truth but not in religion. :)
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@mythicalhell I seriously doubt that :)
jumanous 10 months ago
@jumanous well, that's your problem.
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@jumanous you said, "It is only "thou shalt not get caught" that they need to follow." If you think that's how science works, you know nothing about that field and should take some college level courses in science. Learn what the scientific method is and how that helps keep scientists in check. Religion has no accountability as shown by lovely people like Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, the Rev Jim Baker, Jimmy Swagert, shall I keep going?
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@mythicalhell The former Oral Roberts, Robert Tilton, Al Sharpton, Mark Coppenger, Popoff, Paige Patterson, J.N. Darby, C. Stanley, Chuch Swindol, the pope, Richard Robert, T.D. Jakes, Fred Price, Marilyn Hickey, K. Copeland, G. Copland, Joyce Meyer, Clinton and Sarah Utterbach. I can keep going if you need me to but I hope you got the point.
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@mythicalhell I have done many college level courses on History of Evolutionary theory, Evolutionary biology, micro biology, Physics and chemistry (secular university). I work in a science field, and I talk to a lot of scientists. You are being lead down the garden path if you believe scientists follow unbiased methods.
I can mention names too, like Dawkins, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan, shall I keep going? All these guys blatantly lie on a regular basis in order to perpetuate a dead hypothesis.
jumanous 10 months ago
@YoungMoney835 Why would you have even thought to have called yourself a one time atheist if you weren't? I hope it was a slip up, and you don't go around saying that in other channels as it would be mis-leading.
mythicalhell 10 months ago
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Hmm.... I think you would be better asking scientists your questions regarding the age of the earth. I hate to say it but religious people including psudo(sp lol)scientists unfortunately have an agenda where true scientists have only one agenda finding out the 'truth" No pressure to convert others. Anyway, good luck in your own search for the truth. :)
mythicalhell 10 months ago
Just 1 more question, do ALL people get tested even the ones that are diseased???
parkhunter 1 year ago
@parkhunter the ones that receive the plagues are lost. They will be punished more than tested.
jumanous 1 year ago
@parkhunter NO, people with disease are not exclusive to non-christians! The medical field(science)is finding more and more cures for diseases as technology and knowledge becomes better. There's cures for lepersy now and many forms of cancer, etc. If this god wanted the lost to be afflicted with disease, why would he let science create or find cures? Dang, some religious people like jumanous drive me batty with their literal(or no critical thinking at all) thinking
mythicalhell 10 months ago
Wow man thnx for your quick response!!
parkhunter 1 year ago
@parkhunter no worries :)
jumanous 1 year ago
You just now showed me that there is no need to accept Christ, thank you for that.
If there is no punishment, why bother?
mywereldza 1 year ago
@mywereldza If you trusted God only out of fear, there was no hope for you being saved anyway. God doesn't want people to love him because they have to, otherwise he would have just killed Satan and the 1/3 of the angels that fell, and made some more.
Spend your life disobeying God, and the torture you get in this life will be punishment enough.
I'm happy that you are free from a false religion.
God Bless. :)
jumanous 1 year ago
But wat about they wil have no rest nor day nor night???
parkhunter 1 year ago
@parkhunter hi, thanks for your question. During the last plagues the people receive many torments, and during this time they have no rest day or night. It also says "the smoke" rises forever. This is the effect of their torment continues forever. People will be punished according to their works, and then they will be annihilated. The wicked certainly don't get off easy.
jumanous 1 year ago
@jumanous Hi man thanks 4 your response a while ago, i hope you can answer some more questions.
Like how far can the devil go with forcing people to take the mark, is it like take it or be killed or is it like stave or take it because without the mark you won´t be able to buy ur sell or can man be tortured for days or weeks until they take the mark or do people must pledge to satan out of free will, hope you can clear this one out for me!
parkhunter 1 year ago
@parkhunter Hi. What will happen will be a slow transition. At the start the sunday law will be a mild refraining from work. This has already happened, but it goes in and out regularly. Then it will become legislated where you will be fined (this happens in germany already). Then it will become illegal to worship on Saturday. There will be an enforcement in the courts, and we will be unable to buy or sell. This will come as a result of a major economic crash.
jumanous 1 year ago
@parkhunter ... the economic crash will cause the end of small business as such (this won't necessarily be universal), and there will only really be large corporations (this is almost complete). In order to work for many of these large companies you will eventually have to work on the Sabbath. I believe this is the initial means of "can't buy or sell". Then after the close of probation, and the plagues start, we will be blamed for these, and the death decree will go into place.
jumanous 1 year ago
@jumanous Nobody would waste their time killing you as you're to flipping crazy to bother with!
mythicalhell 10 months ago
@parkhunter during this time we will be protected. After the close of probation, anyone who is saved cannot be killed.
hope that helps. :)
jumanous 1 year ago
@parkhunter just a side note... it won't be like the dark ages again, but there may be isolated incidences of torture (like there are today). The great tribulation such as never was and never will be again, has already been fulfilled by the dark ages. The persecution we will get will be a mind game. We will be in the hills, and we will be concerned about our own salvation, and will be struggling with this, rather than with men. This is the time of Jacobs Trouble... it will be very tough.
jumanous 1 year ago
At the same time, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. And it seems that those who do not overcome are resurrected at the great white throne judgment.
The only line of thought that reconciles the two is universal salvation. Because each of us is wicked and that fire changes us, but each in his own time. Also, when we put on immortality, if our memories (identities) are not erased, then our joy depends in seeing that all have been saved.
sailing19100 1 year ago
I was hoping to be the 666 viewer...lol....some good thoughts here....thanks....though....."before the time" passage.....new covenant had not taken it's eternal place, ie. the jewish system had not been completely put away,....so does can this be placed at the end of time, or after the time of AD 70.......hmmmmm...still trying to figure this out....god bless
awesomethteacherwag 1 year ago
gailsteve 1 year ago
@gailsteve that is a fair summary, yes.
jumanous 1 year ago
Nice Video, Paul, and such a relief to discard the Idea of Eternal Torture of Hell.
gailsteve 1 year ago
Hello Paul
Thanks for great Video.
Steve Clark
gailsteve 1 year ago 2
@gailsteve glad you like it. Plenty more where that came from :)
jumanous 1 year ago
Praise God, a humbly presented description of what the Eternal Fire is all about!
NOT a Merciless Eternal Torture of lost Souls. I thank you for your courage to present the Truth, which is falsely taught in many Churchs, that Hell is an Eternal
place of everlasting Punishment.Bible says For God so loved world than he gave his only Son, so that who ever believes in him, should not PERISH, but have EVERlasting life.
For the Penality of Sin is DEATH but the free Gift of God is ETERNAL life.
gailsteve 1 year ago
i think eternal fire is for the most stubborn and refused God in the afterlife after God pleaded for accepting His grace. i don't understand how such people could refuse God.
libetta 1 year ago
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If hell is real, and eternal, and painful, theoretically would it not be the greatest sacrifice possibly imaginable if one person could single handedly wipe out the human race thereby preventing any more souls from entering hell? This person would presumably be the last person sent to hell thus having performed a REAL sacrifice, and thus saving all future souls from committing mortal sins. Somebody please wanna give me a good answer to this?
bweber88 1 year ago
Like your video, may God bless your work. Would like to put some of your videos on my website.
OnlineMinistryOrg 1 year ago 2
@OnlineMinistryOrg glad you like it.
jumanous 1 year ago 2
(It was made in response to the ebayer "sparkshot" ) Thanks :) Not sure why I'm an ebayer though! Must add that.
sparkshot 2 years ago
lol... oops. I have been buying too much stuff on ebay lately to shoot these Daniel 11 seminars coming up, so I have ebay on my mind. I meant youtuber :P
jumanous 2 years ago
@jumanous
Thanks for your Video,
Steve Clark.
gailsteve 1 year ago
Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us BEFORE the time?
Even the demons knew that the wicked don't suffer now but there is a set time when Christ will send forth His judgement. Hence the word *BEFORE* the time.
Excellent detailed video my brother keep it up
Jondadon2006 2 years ago 2
up on my facebook page already, hopefully others will watch!
lifeizgood33 2 years ago
very good... thank you for posting this video. God is amazing no doubt.
lifeizgood33 2 years ago