Cornish Nationalism Debate [Part 1]

[dmax631]

The main problem Britain faces today is islam and multicultural genocide. Now is not the time for a small minded cornish nationalist campaign; native britons need to be united more then ever

[DefeatedElitist]

I love how everyone wants to be different from one another. I know, let's start an independence movement for Yorkshire, next. Maybe they'll find a Celtic bed pan somewhere in Wakefield, and we can all chant about independence and hatred of the English.

[squirell1952]

A NATION ONCE AGAIN, an unofficial anthem of ALL Ireland, would be a lovely anthem for Cornwall. And if Cornwall doesn't use it, Cumbria should! A nation once again, a nation once again, and Cornwall/Cumbria long a colony IS A NATION ONCE AGAIN. Dunno where the song originated but it is a lovely tune.

[squirell1952]

Why can't Cumbria introduce,say, Latin or Esperanto as a native lingo? To be a doctor or a nurse, you need Latin, I think. Let all the medical students from the rest of the Anglo-Celt Isles travel to Cumbria Nation/State/Colony/Republic/P­rincip-ality to study Latin. Oh, go on, go on, go on!

aND IF cUMBRIA DOESN'T DO IT, Brittany or Cornwall should. Hey, I am being serious! In the meantime, JUST KEEP USING THE INTERNET TO SELL YOUR NATIONALISM TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. PLEASE.

[squirell1952]

Cornwall is sometimes called a dutchy,county, shire, colony. I tend to call it a STATE just to annoy people. And I always suspected CUMBRIA was an English Colony, too. But remember one thing: ALWAYS USE THE BALLOT INSTEAD OF A BALLOT.

Please!!! Look what the bullet did to Ulster. Irishman killing Irishman, England sitting back and laughing AT them. Divide and Rule they call it. AND THE IRISH FELL FOR IT. OH, GOD, THEY DID!!!

[whitbyjet65]

Personally, as the Celts didn't actually originate from Britain (they are infact immigrants to these shores) I think the Cornish should piss off back to where they came from. SUPPORT MY REVOLUTION - GET THE CORNISH OUT OF CORNWALL! GIVE CORNWALL BACK TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS!!!!!

[WELLBRAN]

BBC Radio Cornwall....is not going to set the world on fire anytimec soon on Cornish identity they are under the strict rules of the BBC who are ANTI Cornwall listen to radio cornwall and count how many times they say "COUNTY of Cornwall" sorry but its the truth they want Cornwall to be a SHIRE of england listen to radio cornwall and go buy Cornish life magazine and  be safe in the knowledge that you are a real partisan

[MrJondabong]

WOTEEGOYN DO WIDDEN?

[Gelniska]

As a "Cornish" person myself, this is pretty ridiculous. Cornish nationalism comes from a state of mind? How about a Truro state of mind or even an I-live-in-a-house-near-town state of mind? Yeah I'm gonna go nationalistic and go independent because I don't wanna live in the same country as that arsehole at the end of the street!

Nationalism in general is a bit of a joke. All it is is "we're proud of ourselves for not being you over there in the next village/town/city/county/count­ry/continent."

[tommyboomboom]

So they want to create a separate country based on a 'state of mind'?

[ohno2112]

Who are the relish ?

[erzan]

Is this a joke?

[mesmerizeme]

I am from Hampshire can we be independent too?

[arian1945]

A Welshmans veiw, Well done Cornwall Wales is on your side

[cornwallgeezer]

I am Cornish, and have had lots of racist remarks over my beginning years over the world, i am currently living in Taiwan.  I hope that we have a choice!

[chris4evilpresident]

Its a case of cultural recognition, not breaking away from the mainland.

[RedPawl]

Unite Ireland, Scotland's freedom next, then Wales then Cornwall.

[themightyrara]

For nice people, howcome is it that you all suddenly sound like a buch of nazis?

[fletch2002]

Possibly because you don't know anything about the Cornish situation?

If you want to know about it then I'm quite happy to provide you with the history and legalities surrounding Cornish nationalism.

[themightyrara]

Actually I know pretty much everything there is to know, all the way up to having threats from "musician" Jack Bolitho andthe CLA.

I like the way you assume immediately that I don't know anything about Cornish history, just like I don't know why you hate people who live across the river from you who share the same genealogy, I have worked with many Cornish people in my life and work in Cornwall to this day, I actually dont ever hear your nationalistic sentiments being repeated either.

[WellArdott]

Surname: Fletcher

This famous northern family name is believed to have derived from the Germanic pre 7th Century personal compound name "Fulcher". The introduction into England was probably by the Normans, and the name translates as "people's army" from "folk", plus "heri", army.

Looks like Fletch is a Germanic Norman, not a "Celt" afterall, ah well we all have to have hobbies. Even if they are strange, socialist, regional seperatist ones.

[fletch2002]

That's realy interesting, thankyou =)

However, I feel that it wasn't out of the goodness of your heart and that you were trying to prove something.

Just wondering what that may be.

[cumbricrevival]

Hi Fletch!

I'm involved in the Cumbric Revival in the north, and one thing that nips in the bud people having a go about a non-Brythonic surname, is merely by starting to identify oneself according to the pre-Scoti-Anglo-Saxon method ~ for example, I identify myself as Anthony ap Anthony, and in doing so I have realised that I have peeled off an English veneer, as common to the Kerno, Welsh, and Cymry of The Old North, is that we don't have surnames in our own culture!

Just a thought!

[fletch2002]

The thing is that we do have surnames in our own cultures. Almost any name beginning with tre- will be Cornish (Trevenna, Trethewy, Tregilis, Trelawny) and there are a lot of those.

The thing is that the worlds' cultures have been trading and diluting each others' gene pools for thousands of years and therefore blood and surname is no longer a viable way to distinguish nationality.

Chons da gans an dasvywnans Cumbrek!

Good luck with the Cumbric revival! :)

[cumbricrevival]

Oh yes, you are of course right! My reference to not having surnames has to do with the thing in the north of peeling back the Norman-Scoti-Anglo-Saxon veneers so that nothing but our original culture is exposed ~ something which, btw, we are also doing on our Kerno side.

Am I right in the presumption that if you go back before the Normans, that the Kerno didn't have surnames, but instead used the (firstname) (son of) (father's first name), as happened both in Wales and The Old North?

[LiskeardObserver]

How many people vote for any Cornish Nationalist Party ?

Where is the support ?

How much was raised towards the Cornish Fighting Fund ?

Where are all these nationalists ?

Why, at the fringes, of course. Cornwall is a Lib Dem County and always will be.

[fletch2002]

As I told you earlier no-one votes for the CNP because they no longer exist.

The amount still raising is over £40,000.

These nationalists are everywhere, I'm afraid I don't know names and adresses. Where are your BNP mates?

The nationalists are plentiful and a majority as proved by the 55% (MORI) in support of an assembly and the 35,000 who in the 2001 census described themselves as Cornish rather than English despite it not being well known that you could infact legally write Cornish in.

[fletch2002]

You're right. Cornwall is a Lib Dem Duchy.

I can't see it being that way for much longer. With the majority of Cornwall being nationalist and wanting an assembly I can see another party taking over.

The Lib Dems told the people of Cornwall that they would establish an assembly. You realy should stop replying. I'm showing you up with facts all over the place and you seem to know nothing at all. Do some research and we can have some real chat but I've been studying and researching this for years.

[NothingIsCorrect]

that cornish guy speaking saying its about place of birth and not DNA is just upset because he probably found out he is english and not cornish. i don't live in cornwall but my surname means "Cornwall" in the celtic language sooo therefore =]

[fletch2002]

Which Celtic language?

I'm guessing your last name is a version of the Cornish "Kernow" and is spelt "Curno".

[NothingIsCorrect]

yeah it is

[NothingIsCorrect]

how did you know that lol

[fletch2002]

Well I am Cornish you know! =p

[NothingIsCorrect]

i dont know whether i am or not... im not fully obviously otehrside of my family surname scottish so thats bad aswell lol i guess im english? but english are saxons? and im just not part of that? but thats gettign technically isnt it?

[chris4evilpresident]

Fascinating stuff. Phillip Payton wrote an interesting essay on Cornish cinema.

[MrKipps1]

I was born in Cornwall and am proud of being Cornish, but some people talk as if Cornwall was ever an independent country. I feel Cornish, English and British.

[fletch2002]

Cornwall was an independent country. Infact it was an independent country for much longer than England has been.

Cornwall is still, legally a seperate sovereign state, which is what a lot of this nationalism is based on.

It's very interesting stuff.

[fletch2002]

As was said in the debate everyone's free to feel whatever nationality they want to. Personaly I'm not English in the slightest. My family roots are Scottish and Cornish.

The problem with it is that because Cornish history isnt taught in Cornish schools then a lot of Cornish people are being brought up thinking that they are English.

this is the reason for the CFF, so that our history can be taught in our land.