Just wondering, Do you feel you get better results cutting dry or with oil.?? I have only just started to play with my shaper and I seem to get better results putting a little drop of oil on the surface to be cut..I could be wrong (most likely am)lol....Just wondering your thoughts on the subject.Matt
What an amazing video, from start to finish. I'm drooling over your machine tools! Classic power and know-how. You moved your shop? That must have taken some effort! I'll look for more of your videos. I'd love to see you finish the anvils. How will you surface the top of the tool steel? Grind it, or plane it with the shaper? Thanks for sharing what you have created!!
@lonrodo Sorry I haven't updated this video in awhile. I'm going to finish those anvils in the near future. I moved my shop. This anvil is going to be a church window anvil. I'm always drooling over those antique Euroopean anvils. Maybe I'll come across one I can afford one day. But until then I'll have to make my own. I'll post more videos soon. Check out The Last Stake Maker video on my channel.
@rivettlathe Glad to hear you are still working on the project. I'm interested in the final result as I am sure others are too! My wife is interested in the piston machine and has asked why I don't have one in my shop!
@doinyourmom44 I never really intended to sell them. I'll give you an idea of what one might cost. The 4" piece of plate I had burned out cost $110 per anvil. I will probably have 20 hours in it by the time it is done. It will have a hard face and a square hardy hold. I think I will have $250 my cost, into the anvil. If I was to pay myself minimum wage it'd be around $450. But you can buy a better anvil for less money (Craig's list, Blacksmith's Depot) I'm doing it just for fun.
Sorry, but there are anvils made of mild steel with hard faced surfaces. check the MWN. also, Mild steel is far superior to forged iron and can be forge welded to tool steel. Some of the best modern manufactured anvils have bases of cast steel. Don't confine yourself to the rut of tradition. the earliest anvils were stone, and they were quite real. are they superior to more modern anvils?
you should explain in this video to all the people interested in buying an anvil like this that it is far from a real anvil. You can't just put hardsurfacing on a piece of mild steel and have an anvil that is not the way it works. Real anvils have forge bodies with tool steel faces that are forge welded on and in effect are 1 piece, that is why they rebound and work so well. Good exercise like you say you just want to do it, but not a great anvil because you can go out and buy a good used one.
@1overthehillsfaraway : Rather, you should learn more about anvils and their manufacture. I know you must
consider yourself an expert after reading the rhetoric on some of the forums and websites out there,
but mild steel is a superior material for an anvil base. the face could be case hardened, hardfaced, among other ways to bring the work surface up to speed. What is being made is definitely the beginning of a true anvil.
@Notasunbeam then why are there no mild steel anvils with case hardened faces, or hardfaced applied, or among the other ways whatever that means, anvils out there? I was stating fact all good anvils are wrought/iron bodies with tool steel faces forge welded to the bodies. Forge welding makes it one piece. The only exception is the fisher anvil which used an whole other process of casting the anvil but it did have a tool steel face that was cast right into it. I have a lot of anvils and use them
@1overthehillsfaraway : Rather, you should learn more about anvils and their manufacture. I know you must
consider yourself an expert after reading the rhetoric on some of the forums and websites out there,
but mild steel is a superior material for an anvil base. the face could be case hardened, hardfaced, among other ways to bring the work surface up to speed. What is being made is definitely the beginning of a true anvil.
Mate, it's definitely not pointless to make an anvil. Buying one from you will not be possible for me due to the cost of freighting it from the US to Australia. But that is the only thing stopping me.
Have you considered using the wear plate they reface front end loader buckets with, it is super tough. A2 can be a bit brittle if the heat treating is not ust right.
@Sehnsucht234 because that kind of technology isn't available to any but the largest machine shops, thats why there are relatively few well know companies which created anvils; an enormous amount of heat and metal of the correct alloys are required, as well as the machinery to lift the mold, not to mention the massive amounts of fuel that were required to produce the vast amounts of heat.
@Sehnsucht234 Because then you have a casting which would bust apart in 2 seconds under normal working conditions. This way, he has a forged plate with refined grains in it (stronger) so it lasts.
Nice workshop! I got that kid-in-a-candy-store feeling in my stomach when I saw all your equipment. I was wondering if you would consider making and selling an anvil to me? The size of the one in the video is perfect for my needs.
@NaheleBlades I will be finishing these anvils soon. I got a little side tracked. I moved out of my home shop and into an indstrial shop. I plan on making more of them and they will be for sale on my website. PotterUSA
@bedofrazorsqwerty Definitely the moving! And I recently moved to industrial space and had to pay to move it again! the shaper was free, but it cost $500 to move it!
im doin maintenance engineering at college and have never seen or used one of these before! is there any advantages of using a shaper over a mill ? do you not have to use any coolant ? thanks.
@chopywatersofmantuki you don't have to use coolant with most machines if your cutters are sharp and well designed, and you run slow.
Shapers have a number of advantages over mill. The cutters cost virtually nothing and can be shaped any way you need. They leave linear scratches which can be and advantage for stuff like weld coupons, they can almost finish polished surfaces. They can cut internal surfaces like keyways. There are several different types and at one time they were very comon
Do you mean the People's Shop? The means of production should be owned by the people. I think I'm the last "people" in America who want to produce anything.
Hey Kevin, have you ever considered taking on Soviet armored divisions on the Fulda Gap? I think your shop is one of the last bastions of industrial might in the formerly free world.
I used to fix up machines for other people but it's just way too much work. Alot of these machines are very old and in very bad shape - it takes a lot of work to make them run. And, unfortunately they are not worth any money.
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what a ugly feeling at 3:16 xDD
spiloFTW 5 days ago
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spiloFTW 5 days ago
Guy's gonna break his camera lens doing that.
illustriouschin 1 week ago
mate you need more space but good machines though
crapbag1997 1 week ago
You sure know how to pick your machines. NICE COLLECTION
theslimeylimey 2 weeks ago
Nice job restoring that old machine. Cincinnati's machinery is very well built.
theslimeylimey 2 weeks ago
Thumbs up if you muted and put on "The Anvil Chorus" :D
Isenmouthe 2 weeks ago
Now that's a man cave :)
richiebraz 2 weeks ago
I absolutely love that shaper.
tdtrailer 3 weeks ago
some nice old gear there.
clemenaugh 4 weeks ago
I admire you for restoring that old shaper. If it weren't for people like you, those old machines would be lost to history.
fall22123 1 month ago
how did they make it in the day without cnc or milling machines?
BrainDeadGizmo 1 month ago
The Round Nosed bit looks horriable and the clapper box aint clapping :)
wpkxr99 1 month ago
Cool video. Please make another and show us your lathes!
ahz123 1 month ago
Just wondering, Do you feel you get better results cutting dry or with oil.?? I have only just started to play with my shaper and I seem to get better results putting a little drop of oil on the surface to be cut..I could be wrong (most likely am)lol....Just wondering your thoughts on the subject.Matt
cgis123 1 month ago
What an amazing video, from start to finish. I'm drooling over your machine tools! Classic power and know-how. You moved your shop? That must have taken some effort! I'll look for more of your videos. I'd love to see you finish the anvils. How will you surface the top of the tool steel? Grind it, or plane it with the shaper? Thanks for sharing what you have created!!
CuriousEarthMan 1 month ago
Why doesn't it remove metal on the back stroke?
stihlthebest 2 months ago
what a cool piece of machinery, usa!, usa!
christopherg8106 2 months ago
have you ever made a church window anvil? just cureus and if so could you post a video of it?
lonrodo 3 months ago
@lonrodo Sorry I haven't updated this video in awhile. I'm going to finish those anvils in the near future. I moved my shop. This anvil is going to be a church window anvil. I'm always drooling over those antique Euroopean anvils. Maybe I'll come across one I can afford one day. But until then I'll have to make my own. I'll post more videos soon. Check out The Last Stake Maker video on my channel.
rivettlathe 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@rivettlathe Glad to hear you are still working on the project. I'm interested in the final result as I am sure others are too! My wife is interested in the piston machine and has asked why I don't have one in my shop!
TheLordGenerals 2 months ago
awesome ! shop !
duffweld 3 months ago 2
love the shop man my dad has the same shaper in his shop it brings back memories to see them still alive and cutting
jusrobington 3 months ago 2
How much would you charge for something like that?
doinyourmom44 3 months ago
@doinyourmom44 I never really intended to sell them. I'll give you an idea of what one might cost. The 4" piece of plate I had burned out cost $110 per anvil. I will probably have 20 hours in it by the time it is done. It will have a hard face and a square hardy hold. I think I will have $250 my cost, into the anvil. If I was to pay myself minimum wage it'd be around $450. But you can buy a better anvil for less money (Craig's list, Blacksmith's Depot) I'm doing it just for fun.
rivettlathe 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Now THAT'S something you don't want to bump your head on.
dj7310 3 months ago 2
Sorry, but there are anvils made of mild steel with hard faced surfaces. check the MWN. also, Mild steel is far superior to forged iron and can be forge welded to tool steel. Some of the best modern manufactured anvils have bases of cast steel. Don't confine yourself to the rut of tradition. the earliest anvils were stone, and they were quite real. are they superior to more modern anvils?
Notasunbeam 3 months ago
you should explain in this video to all the people interested in buying an anvil like this that it is far from a real anvil. You can't just put hardsurfacing on a piece of mild steel and have an anvil that is not the way it works. Real anvils have forge bodies with tool steel faces that are forge welded on and in effect are 1 piece, that is why they rebound and work so well. Good exercise like you say you just want to do it, but not a great anvil because you can go out and buy a good used one.
1overthehillsfaraway 4 months ago
@1overthehillsfaraway : Rather, you should learn more about anvils and their manufacture. I know you must
consider yourself an expert after reading the rhetoric on some of the forums and websites out there,
but mild steel is a superior material for an anvil base. the face could be case hardened, hardfaced, among other ways to bring the work surface up to speed. What is being made is definitely the beginning of a true anvil.
Notasunbeam 3 months ago
@Notasunbeam then why are there no mild steel anvils with case hardened faces, or hardfaced applied, or among the other ways whatever that means, anvils out there? I was stating fact all good anvils are wrought/iron bodies with tool steel faces forge welded to the bodies. Forge welding makes it one piece. The only exception is the fisher anvil which used an whole other process of casting the anvil but it did have a tool steel face that was cast right into it. I have a lot of anvils and use them
1overthehillsfaraway 3 months ago
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@1overthehillsfaraway : Rather, you should learn more about anvils and their manufacture. I know you must
consider yourself an expert after reading the rhetoric on some of the forums and websites out there,
but mild steel is a superior material for an anvil base. the face could be case hardened, hardfaced, among other ways to bring the work surface up to speed. What is being made is definitely the beginning of a true anvil.
Notasunbeam 3 months ago
Dude, seriously i really want one. Are you in Arizona and what's the likely hood you could be persuaded to make another?
Cbertian 4 months ago
Coolest shop ever!! That shaper is badass!
FRUNTCASTER 5 months ago
did you ever finish the anvils? im very curious to see how they turned out
kurnous34 5 months ago
Very cool shop, and a neat anvil. Waiting for the second vid!
Those of you who are suggesting that he cast this know squat about casting steel, and less than squat about anvils.
matthbva 5 months ago
nice machines.....keep us up on how the project goes
Homesteadforge 5 months ago
Mate, it's definitely not pointless to make an anvil. Buying one from you will not be possible for me due to the cost of freighting it from the US to Australia. But that is the only thing stopping me.
Have you considered using the wear plate they reface front end loader buckets with, it is super tough. A2 can be a bit brittle if the heat treating is not ust right.
all the best.
labrat7357 5 months ago
What on earth is that tip you us for the planer? That's one tough piece to handle that.
175myles 6 months ago
excellent tres bon job
mayhem7090 6 months ago
where did you buy that machine
lalachris1000 6 months ago
nice job and vid. ? How long does your blade last while shaping or cutting the anvil down?
huntin4live 6 months ago
What state do you live in?
TheOnlyDeathAdder 7 months ago
@TheOnlyDeathAdder Arizona
rivettlathe 6 months ago
why not just make a mold and pour liquid metal into it?
Sehnsucht234 9 months ago
@Sehnsucht234 because that kind of technology isn't available to any but the largest machine shops, thats why there are relatively few well know companies which created anvils; an enormous amount of heat and metal of the correct alloys are required, as well as the machinery to lift the mold, not to mention the massive amounts of fuel that were required to produce the vast amounts of heat.
dogfootrot189 6 months ago
@Sehnsucht234 Have you ever tried to melt large amounts of steel? That takes a LONG time and lots of heat!
rivettlathe 6 months ago 7
@rivettlathe the liquid metal could be melted bit by bit
ste0555 6 months ago
@Sehnsucht234 Because cast iron in not as good as wrought iron or forged anvils are must sturdier and last longer than cast iron.
MrZerocool2285 6 months ago
@Sehnsucht234 it would be brittle and weak, for not to mention softer than the steel one is working.
anvils must be made out of forged steels, atleast good ones.
Rhandahl 4 months ago
@Sehnsucht234 Because then you have a casting which would bust apart in 2 seconds under normal working conditions. This way, he has a forged plate with refined grains in it (stronger) so it lasts.
BuddyMETAL1 1 month ago
Nice workshop! I got that kid-in-a-candy-store feeling in my stomach when I saw all your equipment. I was wondering if you would consider making and selling an anvil to me? The size of the one in the video is perfect for my needs.
NaheleBlades 9 months ago
@NaheleBlades I will be finishing these anvils soon. I got a little side tracked. I moved out of my home shop and into an indstrial shop. I plan on making more of them and they will be for sale on my website. PotterUSA
rivettlathe 6 months ago
You've got one of the coolest shops I've ever seen, my friend.
Thanks for letting us come along.
Iz
bindlestitch1 10 months ago
What cost more, the machine or the moving of that thing?
bedofrazorsqwerty 11 months ago
@bedofrazorsqwerty Definitely the moving! And I recently moved to industrial space and had to pay to move it again! the shaper was free, but it cost $500 to move it!
rivettlathe 6 months ago
personally, those shavings, id be for smelting those. then again, i recycle alot in the workshop
kaldicuct 11 months ago
You have one of the coolest shops I have ever seen.
xramcam 11 months ago
@xramcam Thanks! It's been accumulated over 10 years and now I make my living with them.
rivettlathe 6 months ago
im doin maintenance engineering at college and have never seen or used one of these before! is there any advantages of using a shaper over a mill ? do you not have to use any coolant ? thanks.
chopywatersofmantuki 1 year ago
@chopywatersofmantuki you don't have to use coolant with most machines if your cutters are sharp and well designed, and you run slow.
Shapers have a number of advantages over mill. The cutters cost virtually nothing and can be shaped any way you need. They leave linear scratches which can be and advantage for stuff like weld coupons, they can almost finish polished surfaces. They can cut internal surfaces like keyways. There are several different types and at one time they were very comon
Proaconstructor 7 months ago
Are any of these for sale?
thegreatwoodlife 1 year ago
SCARY! Please use a brush to wipe off your metal shavings... looking forward to the next in the series!
bentontool 1 year ago
SCARY! Please use a brush to wipe off your metal shavings...
bentontool 1 year ago
Thanks again Kevin nice video & thanks for sharing!
chipmaker2 1 year ago
how much would it cost to order an anvil like that?
MrThahey 1 year ago
cool shop dude , i´m jealous , nice work
sm4rtmouth 1 year ago
Nice old machine!, I know what i want for christmas :D
Aussie50 1 year ago
@Aussie50 Maybe Santa got a bigger sleigh - that thing is 7,000 pounds.
rivettlathe 1 year ago 6
It's a 1942 Cincinnati. It runs automatically through a series of gears and levers but there is definitely not a computer on it.
Thanks,
Kevin
rivettlathe 1 year ago
Is that a CNC shaper?
southshoersmith 1 year ago
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southshoersmith 1 year ago
Do you mean the People's Shop? The means of production should be owned by the people. I think I'm the last "people" in America who want to produce anything.
rivettlathe 1 year ago
@rivettlathe Are you sure you're maximizing value for the shareholders?
TalksWithDirt 1 year ago
Hey Kevin, have you ever considered taking on Soviet armored divisions on the Fulda Gap? I think your shop is one of the last bastions of industrial might in the formerly free world.
TalksWithDirt 1 year ago
I used to fix up machines for other people but it's just way too much work. Alot of these machines are very old and in very bad shape - it takes a lot of work to make them run. And, unfortunately they are not worth any money.
rivettlathe 1 year ago
Kevin- Do you restore any equipment for sale or just for yourself? Nice old shaper by the way.
zippy308 1 year ago