Seawolf Shoot

[MRWALKER500000]

the british navy vs the russian northern fleet? would be very intresting as the russian couldnt use there classic overwhelming doctrine becase remember the balctic fleet would be fully engaged and the pacific fleet would have to traverse the horn of africa

[MrDiredemon]

right just for @petunized 3 RUS weps systems that kick ass BEREG awesome bit of field kit , TOS 1 buratino wicked amount of firepower in one small package and last but not least the Kirov Class (Type 1144.2) (Peter the Great) what a ship :) thing is I am not just gonna blow hot air and say they are the best cos they're RUS but they are very good :) fuck the TU-22M the thing just isn't gonna last long in a battlespace

[petunized]

nice dynamics

[108Dax]

minus one sardine.

[k2477456]

damn that thing was hauling ass

[Pringles352]

i feel embarrassed i do not know this. what missiles do we use on the t45s?

[wfoj21]

I thought I heard in one test the target was a 4.5inch/114mm shell in a crossing aspect, was not going to hit the Sea Wolf firing ship.

[r1casill]

cool video but what is this weapon system designed to destroy????

[AAMetalXJON]

@r1casill Supersonic missiles, aircraft, generally anything that flys that is a threat

[r1casill]

@AAMetalXJON Thanks!!

[enticed2zeitgeist]

It's speed is terrifying.

[sufianansari7]

I have heard this baby can take out targets about the size of a cricket ball (so english is that, a unit of measurment defined by one of our national sports) traveling at mack two! And I am sure its even smaller now that they have made up grades

[Twirlyhead]

@sufianansari7 - it's full capabilities are classified which means it will probably do better still but perhaps worse if you take a more cynical view. Classifying kit can give an advantage in battle - in the Falklands War a RN Sea Dart took out an Argentine Canberra flying above and beyond the missiles stated operational envelope - so even though the Brits had sold Argentina Sea Dart in what must have been a very lucrative arms deal, they may not have disclosed its full capabilities.

[boudicia1]

some armchair general that dreams of the falklands to be called the los malvinas. face it your country will never own a british island. love to see the skyhawk go up against a typhoon or any other of your shitty 2nd rate export tech

[FatBoySlim696]

That shit was fucking scary.

[chorizoyque]

fucker turns on a dime.. AWSOME!!

[Kdub09swm]

How could you dislike this video?

[netherledy]

I did the simulation studies on the aerodynamics and guidance system for VLSW in the late 70s. For really close range targets the airframe ends up pointing directly at the deck of the ship during the boost phase. It was pretty difficult to design instruments that would perform adequately under such high acceleration.

It is a pretty old system now, but the fundamentals were right. Comparing it with earlier Seawolf is ridiculous, they were totally different beasts.

[Rookie235]

@ferdinand7004 I own a Saab, and I'd rather masturbate in there than in bed, it's more comfy.

[Koldatt]

That bitch means BUSINESS!

[WinchesterRanger]

It's odd how few nations opted to buy Sea Wolf, going instead for Barak, Umkhonto, or even Mistral. I always thought it was a neat little system, perhaps hobbled only by its very limited range.

[SCOMAN14]

Yeah it is so shit it takes out a target the size of a small model aircraft in this video. There have been snags with it but it's better than S Sparrow allows for human target differentiation and designation and works. Always made me feel safe and having taken it into a threat environment knowing how to operate it properly always gave me a warm feeling. The video is obviously shot from close in we do know any limitations and capabilities, thus the warm feelings

[petunized]

@SCOMAN14 Please don't call a third world country a "threat environment". Go try to attack someone with more modern weaponry (e.g. some1 who in fact can strike you back) and you'll quickly find out that this thing is not nearly adequate.

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized lol you'd be surprised seawolf is still a good system now I mean it can hit shells !!

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon with what probability? can it hit at least 4 at a time? what if they do random maneuvers?

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized that missile came in at inception in a 6 box launcher and way back in 1980 they could hit 2 at once :)

[MrDiredemon]

@MrDiredemon and probability was at 100 % lad they didn't accept anything else lol

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon nice. One Tu-22M3 has 6. Good luck!

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized lol russian missiles lets see , after firing ones still on the rail lol , 2 go astray due to jamming 2 taken out at 10k by seawolf and the third gets chaffed away and the CWIS takes it out :) russian missile were only really going to be feared my man when you fire them in their hundreds, lmao

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon The fact is, even much simpler subsonic Exocet had taken down a british flagship. One shot, one kill. Where were the chaffs? the jammers? the other british hitek? Make no mistake, british navy is basically a fleet of shitboxes, only useful against something like embargoed Iraq. Pack of X-15, traveling at 5 speeds of sound, which is faster than an artillery shell, would be total obliteration.

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized wow you have no idea about the details do you? most of the air defence of the fleet was based around a single shooter system called seadart which wasn't good enough , flagship ? I think you mean frigate lol and mistakes were made in maneuvering which caused sea wolf in another engagement to break lock which can't happen today ... and mate LMAO thats if they even come off the rails right , X16 ROFL todays uk tech will spank that weapon .... :)

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon those are not details. those are your speculations. which make you comfortable with the fact that uk tech is useless even against simple subsonic missiles. too bitter pill for you to swallow.

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized not speculations if your family is 5 generations of sailors in the RN lol dumbass the muckup with maneuvering is well known as the ships in question had no sea room to move and also little or no AA cover of their own ......... try it now mate you'll be surprised at the change , you see we learn by our mistakes and never ever underestimate the enemy :) go back to COD idiot and keep wanking over RUS tech maybe someday they'll actually be used in anger lol

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon "never ever underestimate the enemy" "thats if they even come off the rails right , X16 ROFL todays uk tech will spank that weapon" don't you think that you have started to contradict yourself, my naval expert?

5 gen of sailors. now i know why is it so hard for you to accept the facts and reality. coz that would mean that you cant really proud of your family anymore. pity...

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized lol really so literal ? russian weapons while deadly when applied in density don't have the reliability needed in smaller numbers which is why dumbass that russian military doctrine is pointed towards missile waves :) as for the rest of your statement I'm wondering do you just suck russian cock or are you willing to spread the love lol

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon I wonder from where do you know about unreliability of soviet/russian weapons. its probably just one of the stories you feel yourself comfortable to believe in. tell me, if uk SAMs are so awesome, why nobody buys them? and how come unreliable soviet SAMs from 70-s are able to bring down f-117? whereas uber uk hi tek can't intercept even the cheapest of missiles?

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized lol we don't export SAM's you idiot because we don't believe in putting that tech out amongst the world where it would be probably be used like a lot of russian tech where its not supposed to be :/ and so far as i know the only bringing down of a stealth fighter was over yugo and that was because of a very good AA gun operator , the sun will shine on a dogs ass one day just maybe never on you lol

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon UK does export SAMs, its just very few countries buy them. And stealth was shot down by s-125, soviet SAM from 70-s. But I am certain it was coz of wrong maneuvering or relative position of the moon towards earth, or something else. Coz russian shit, despite its massive popularity all over the world, is useless and unreliable. Unlike UK uber tech, which can't intercept even the simplest of missiles. It's unfair that none wants to buy such a hitek.

[MrDiredemon]

@petunized my word haven't you got your knickers in a twist :) calm down mate and don't always believe the hype , I'm sure the cheonan was taken out by a rogue flying fish as well

[petunized]

@MrDiredemon I thought you are the one who prefer to live in an imaginable world. Basically ilve by beliefs, rather than facts. And if tomorrow say a Tu-160 destroys whole UK navy, you'd be able to come up with a convenient explanation even for that. The explanation which won't hurt your ego. Sad show.

[Sexomaniakos4ever]

Seawolf is completely useless weapon system.. Check out Fawklands war.. They used to fire them only to scare the Argentinian pilots.. Fireworks.. Since then a few improvements have been made.. It is used just because British produce it and they can't afford to replace them..

[uberteknik]

@Sexomaniakos4ever

Troll.

The old Seawolf (which commenced development in the 1960.s) was capable of hitting an object the size of a cricket ball travelling at Mach 2+ at 50' ASL.

Vertical launch gave the missile system 360 degree coverage after the lessons learned from the Falklands.

The new Type 45 Frigates will be fitted with PAAMS - itself a very significant performance increase on VLSW.

[Sexomaniakos4ever]

@uberteknik You are British and you can't accept it.. How many Argentinian aircrafts were down because of Seawolf? None.. Ive seen many videos with faulty Seawolf missiles.. The whole design is a disaster.. Don't tell me for performance.. Your nuclear submarines get stuck on shores.. and your frigates are very old and you have no money to replace them.. Type 45 can be built with half of the money you spent.. French FREMM are cheaper and better..

[uberteknik]

@Sexomaniakos4ever

What does the world know about Sweden that gives you credibility?

ABBA, Nokia and IKEA, SAAB, Volvo and the chef from Sesame Street.

The first are now geriatrics,

Nokia sucks

IKEA has no idea

SAAB gave up making cars and concentrated on badly cloning aeroplanes

The only thing more embarassing than being spotted getting out of a Volvo is being caught masturbating in one.

At least the chef makes me laugh for the right reasons.

We all have a cross to bear, eh?

[uberteknik]

@Sexomaniakos4ever

But then again, maybe you are not Swedish but would like to be.

Oh dear.

[jg64347]

@Sexomaniakos4ever "How many Argentinian aircrafts were down because of Seawolf? None"

Wednesday 12th May 1982: Two A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5 shot down off Stanley by Seawolf fired by HMS Brilliant and third aircraft hits sea trying to evade missile (1.45 pm). All three pilots, Lt Bustos, Lt Ibarlucea and Lt Nivoli killed.

[carefreesteve]

@Sexomaniakos4ever What a useless troll. Firstly it's the FALKLANDS, not Fawklands, and the main reason that it didnt shoot down any aircraft was that the vast majority of ships down there werent fitted with it!

The County Class GMDs all had Sea Slug (now that was a crap system)

The Type 42s had Sea Dart

The Leanders had Sea Cat

The Type 21s had Sea Cat

The Assault Ships had Sea Cat

See a pattern emerging here?

Check your facts before making posts!

[Devilsfurry]

Was it just me, or did that missile seemed pissed off?

[Twirlyhead]

How good does a missile system have to be - VL Sea Wolf can take out anything that comes within range.

[EnigmaNZ1]

I remember when the seawolf was being tested decades ago, it was fired at a 4.5 inch shell which it wasn't expected to hit, and it did and destroyed the shell. I was pretty amazed at the time. Computer technology back then was commodore 64 and amiga. Still a very effective system.

[anticarrrot]

PAAMS may or may not be better, but Seawolf is by far the better name!

[TheOutlaw901]

@anticarrrot PAAMS AKA Sea Viper.

[anticarrrot]

@TheOutlaw901 Okay, but... I still think Seawolf is the better sounding name! :)

[TheRobbex]

"Aegis is much more advanced than Paams."

And unable to distinguish between an A300 series Iranian civilian jet climbing to cruise attitude and a 'F14 making an attack run'.

[Elthenar]

@TheRobbex AEGIS can make that distinction, that happened due to a dumbass captain more so than a fault in the system.

When I clicked on this, I thought it was going to be a Seawolf sub=)

[stalkingalizee]

AEGIS should have been able to distinguish an airliner from an enemy fighter. It didn't... Its radar is based on the obsolete PESA. PAAMs AESA radars are superior.

[Elthenar]

@stalkingalizee The AEGIS radar on Vincennes worked properly and did provide the necessary information for the crew to determine that the contact was NOT an Iranian F-14. The fault lied with the Captain and crew. Hell, that boat shouldn't have even been there if not for an overaggressive captain.

[stalkingalizee]

I suggest you watch the documentary of the event. It clearly says how the mistake was made by the combat management software being unable to classify targets. The fault lied with the captain for not getting clearance to open fire. If it had classified the target, he never would have made that fateful decision.

[Elthenar]

@stalkingalizee I'll take a look if I can find it.

From what I had read though, the shot took place because the captain had the ship in Iranian waters.This limited the time he had to make the call. That and the fact that the jet supposedly squawked an Iranian F-16 IFF. But the Aegis correctly stated the RCS and flight profile of the target and those two things clearly didn't match an F-16 on an attack run. If the ship had the proper distance, the captain might have stopped to listen to the facts

[Robbob9933]

@Elthenar Iranians never had the F16, they have F4's and F14's from the US and various other fighters from other countries.

[sakoshooter48]

@Elthenar Funny, iranians don't own any F-16's!

[Elthenar]

@sakoshooter48 lol, I meant F-14s. Stupid numbers.

[Robbob9933]

@Elthenar The Iranians were dead the moment they stepped onto that plane. It too iff from a military airfield where the Iranians flew their F14's from. The flight profile presented an F14 profile/RCS to the AEGIS system which initially identifed the target as an F14 then moved IDEN to UNK. It wasn't until Saudi ATC said a airliner dropped off radar that the true identity of the plane was. This was a matter of seconds. Read the report that was not kind to the captain.

[umahuma4]

holy fuck, that things fast

[Tyrannophobia]

The PAAMS Aster 15 and 30s are superior to the seawolf.

[madjaime2007]

seawolf has been proven in falklands war to be very effective

[95predator]

idk, our navy uses essm and sm 2. and ram.

ram is said to have kill-rate of 98% and with block 2 it will have 12 km of range.

and in one cell fit 4 essm, thats a big advantage to aster 15.

i heard aster is more agile and not good to put off with countermeasures than sm2. but sm 2 has bigger range and faster?

[madbob73]

Well, it should be considering its seawolfs replacement lol !

[madjaime2007]

This is a much older system and frist of its type.

[95predator]

theyre completely different, because they have a much longer range.

you can compare the seawolf with RAM, Seasparrow, or Crotale.

It's a pity that the Queen Elizabeth Carriers dont get Paams, whereas the french Cdg and the italian Cavour carriers have Aster 15!!!

[AAMetalXJON]

2 VLS units could be fitted on on the QE class , perhaps either side of the middle deck lift without loosing much space, which would be a very good idea seeing as the entire left side is uncovered by Goalkeeper systems. The RN does seem to prefer missile systems rather than guns for defence...so Im hopefull.

[95predator]

I hope that they take out the seawolf vl launchers out of the oldest t22 and fit them to the carriers. kind of recycling.

seawolf is a really good ciws missile, way more effective than phalanx gun

[SimonMarrNo1]

@Tyrannophobia Well obviously, they are so much newer and use a different system

[Sterlingjob]

@Tyrannophobia Seawolf can take out 4.5inch shells...directly!

[21mij]

@Tyrannophobia duh!! its designed much later !!

[MrDiredemon]

@Tyrannophobia yeah when you can get it to work >.< seawolf is a proven system much better if you ask me :) plus my dad was a WEM/O on avenger when she got them he loved the weapon bigtime

[grogblossom1]

@MrDiredemon did type 21 get wolf then ?????

[MrDiredemon]

@grogblossom1 lol avenger was a type 21 :) along with arrow, ambuscade, amazon antelope, active, alacrity and ardent , over the years they're original seacat launchers were ripped out and replaced with 4.5 then they were replaced in avenger anyway with seawolf very accurate system and it beats PAAMS cos it bloody works first time EVERY time :)

[grogblossom1]

@MrDiredemon They always had 4.5 mk8....3" corvus was moved from front of bridge & replaced there by exocet...So when did they replace the cat with wolf...

[MrDiredemon]

@grogblossom1 on avenger i guess it would have been 78-81, i was pretty small at the time so details are shady on the exact dates , went aboard for a jr rates mess party for my dads B/day and he showed me his systems at the time she had exocet and a 6 box seawolf launcher up front ,no gun don't know why they did it maybe she was trialing the missile I'd have to ask the old man :) you ex RN mate :)

[grogblossom1]

@MrDiredemon Methinks you're talking type 22...Yus ex RN ..... :>)

[MrDiredemon]

@grogblossom1 just checked with the old fart lol she had it on for launcher trials she didn't keep it for good cos she was sold off to the indians i think , but definitely on the avenger not the type 22's

[MrDiredemon]

@MrDiredemon lol dads just clouted me & and with a laugh declared she was trialing the systems for the 22's which were coming out lol btw he's WO2 WEA/O R D MILLINGTON he was avenger, otus , repulse and the build crew for ursula :)

[Tonkaking9]

Shite, that was fast! if only Type 45 had a few dozen of those, then it would be invincible! Mr browne has failed us yet again!

[madbob73]

Mr Brown has failed us by not having a 20 year old missile system on T45? Eh?

[Tonkaking9]

one that is the best short range SAM system in the world and would be lethal against sea-skimming missiles and low-flying drones. Upgraded, and with a better radar, it would make an excellent air defence system with PAAMS. The government should combine the two together, not ditch one in favour of another.

[stalkingalizee]

That would be redundant and unwise when Aster 15 is far superior. Seawolf doesn't compare to a missile dart with DACS.

[95predator]

well the seawolf takes much less space, I could imagine 4 would fit in one Aster-cell instead of one aster 15.

and why wasting an expensive aster 15 on an old soviet silkworm missile???

[95predator]

its right the Paams is better than AEGIS, but its very expensive. and its also sad that only 48 Paams missiles will be fitter to the Daring class.

and currently 4 Daring are simply much too less for a big navy like the RN! and to protect 2 "super" carriers!!!

[mattmatt115]

No super carriers for Britain

[WaffleMaster4]

Aegis is much more advanced than Paams. The SM-2 missiles has a range almost 3 times more than the Aster 30. the Aegis combat system uses a much more advanced radar, the SPY-1 phased array radar. the SPY-1 radar has a much longer range due to its greater power, 6 Megawatts of power. the SM-2 missiles has multiple modes of guidance, SARH and IR guidance.

[TheCharlie359]

@WaffleMaster4 Not true, Pamms uses the Sampson radar in British ships which is more advanced than Aegis SPY-1 Array.

[PabloHernanSCL]

hello!!

Seawolf block 2 is a very good missile sistem.

Our navy have 3 T-23 (32 Sea Wolf II VLS) and 1 T-22 modified (32 IAI Barak VLS)

Bye friends, from Chile.

[quinch1]

SHOOP DA WOOP

[familiaextranjera]

THAT IS AMAZING WOW

[Hankscorpio66]

Yep,and that was very early on seawolfs career in the RN. This vertical launch system,with the 911 tracker and SSCS is a very effective weapon imo..

[matapan50]

Im not sure but I dont think the Seawolf can be used against a 707 unless it was flying very low. I believe Argentina used it's 707's as long-range recon planes but they flew at very high altitude, outside the range of the Seawolf. The Seawolf in '82 was the early version but it probably did as good as could be expected considering the conditions of sub-antarctic weather, ultra-low level attacks by the Fuerza Area and the outdated radar on many of the British ships.

[locolopelocolope]

That may´ve been what happened in that episode. Thanks for the answer.

[AerospaceEngineer90]

SeaWolf was about as good as SHORADS came in the early 80's it was a brand new system on brand new warships, the problems with AD came by argentine aircraft flying Skyhawks like sea skimming missiles (they had their own Type 42's so they practised on how to counter the threat), Sea wolf on the Type 22's has a range that means it is only capable of defending itself (or destroying aircraft that flies into range en route to attack another ship but that is attack not defence)

[matapan50]

Yes, Argentina being able to train with ships that were essentially identical to the RN Type42's was a big plus for them. One good thing seems to be that after '82,the RN beefed up its air defense, w/better version of Seawolf and having more guns installed.

[AerospaceEngineer90]

^^ a lesson that should have held sway in the T45 Procurement descisions, it was decided the minimum RN need was for 5 active Destroyers (which would be 8 overall) 6 will only provide 4 active at any one time...

[matapan50]

Well just my opinion but I dont think that's enough. Bottom line is: presence of RN on world's oceans beneficial. Radical suggestion: cut the nuclear ballistic missile boats to 2; leaving 1 active 1 in refit. (I believe UK has 4) Plain truth is 1 UK missile boat can decimate civilisation. Would still be ultimate deterrent. Would maybe free up funds for ships that handle situations that are far more likely than nuclear war. I know this: USN is stretched & can use all the help it can get.

[AerospaceEngineer90]

8 destroyers would have been enough assuming that the RN only ever has 1 Amphib task force/battlegroup at any 1 time, however as in the future RN will feature 2 Medium(by USN Standards, read about the CVV programme) carrier's and 2 LPH/LHA(current doctrine is to maintain 4 Aviation capable vessels) + 2 LPD, 4 LSLs, 6 RoRo's

with this the RN has the amphib resources to maintain 2 or 3 Expeditionary task forces(in a major crisis atleast) but lacks the AAW to protect them in a hostile environment

[locolopelocolope]

That was fast !!!!!!

[DomDomDom1nation]

zsf iuzsghiusdhgurh WOW

[Sterlingjob]

So accurate it will take a 4.5 inch shell out directly!

[joedredd13215]

CLASS PURE CLASS, made in sunny Belfast at Shorts i beleive cool post m8 5 stars

[Hankscorpio66]

Hms Broadsword fired 3 missiles against 3 argie fighters in 1982. Shot 2 down, the third ran into wreckage of the other 2. Seawolf is the beast! (ex tracker & luancher maintainer)

Seawolf leaves the luancher at M2 and has a range of 6km. Very CIWS!

[flashgrim]

Actually everything I have read regarding that attack states the third crashed into the sea when trying to take evasive action to avoid the third missile having witnessed his two wingman obliterated during the attack run.

Minor point I know, still three missiles and three kills.

[tn21beer]

I agree, this is what i read, the third plane crashed trying to evade the sea wolf.

[locolopelocolope]

Hmmm, I read that the "Broadsword" only shot down one dagger in that campaign. Also, its Seawolfs didn´t prevent Argentine Skyhawks to sink the Coventry, and was hit by one bomb. I don´t think it was "taht" effective, at least in those years (only 4 kills I guess). Do you know something about that episode when 4 seawolf were fired against an Argentine 707and none hit?

Greetings!.

[adodgygeeza]

There was two passes made on Broadsword and Coventry. The first 4 aircraft were being tracked by the missile system when the ships computer malfunctioned and needed to be re-started, one of these planes inflicted minor damage on Broadsword.

The second group of 4 was lined up for attack by Sea Wolf but this was thwarted by Coventry manoeuvring into the line of sight between Broadsword and the attacking aircraft. Not much the missile system could do about that.

[locolopelocolope]

Very interesting; as matapan50 points below, we must keep in mind those were the "early" seawolf, not as capable as the one displayed in this video.

Bye!

[AerospaceEngineer90]

SeaWolf was Extremely capable in the 1980's Even by modern standards it is a first class SHORADS, VL on the Type 23 has improved this further (if T22 had VLS then HMS Coventry would have still been around until a couple of years ago)

[AerospaceEngineer90]

the last paragraph on that is really the no.1 argument for VLS as opposed to trainable box launchers if you are going to deploy ships in that array!

[zucoy21z89]

The early version of this missile shot down some Argentinean planes, carnt remember how many or what type.

[Jorgen87]

what a nice rocket to use on newyear ? :D

[Agentoxedo07]

holy-terrorist:> aniania je suis français

[PatrioticandProud73]

Excellent!

[andyrik]

crist, when those things get up to speed it looks like the video has been sped up! wouldnt want to be on the end of one of those beasts. Great video, shows the immense power of the T23s!

[snoblroland]

Great video

[flashgrim]

I assume its a type 23 can you tell us which one?

[lewisneilparker]

Great video. is that splash the booster on the bottom of the missile?

[mato996]

wow your fast with that camera

[sailordoc2007]

escellent video