I dont understand how some people were racist cause we all have ancesters who are african because thats where people originated from? The ignorrance is shameful...
With all the African ancient cities the most common this amongst them all is that when The Europeans came they refused to believe that the architecture the statues, the sculptures everything could not be created by people with dark brown skin people who they deemed to be "primitive" and "backwards" and uncivilized they thought that it had to have come from the Arabs, the Chinese or from themselves.
I suggest watching the Lost Kingdoms of Africa documentary on the BBC it should all be on youtube
The Africanist states. As Kaunda once said, Africa for Africans! My fellow Black folks claim your rich heritage, before someone else robs it from you. Viva the Ife of Nigeria!
Africa is the cradle of humanity, civilization, philosophy, physical sciences, commerce, metarlurgy, agriculture... Pretty much all the core recipes of civility.
The greatest mistake the war mongering crusaders made was assuming that if they attempted to get rid of the evidence of black African history then they'll be free to create it themselves. This assumption was admitedly witty but more importantly was always doomed for failure.
@greeny202a: Whether you like it or not! The answer to the two previous questions is "The black African".
The black Africans were responsible for pionering many fuindamental issues of early human life; i.e the first civilisation, the first governmental system, the first mode of transport, the first health care systems, the first monetary institutions, the first form of literacy, the first writting sytems, the first language format e.t.c
The sooner you come to grips with this the better.
@adeamujale The first Homo-sapiens were the East Africans ALL races of humans today you as well as I are descended from this early ancestor the mtDNA group L1. This group no longer exists of course but there descendants (The San) do. About 150,000 years ago a group split from the original group and migrated West and adapted to the tropical environment there (Negroids) soon after another group split and migrated North again adapting to the environment and becoming the Somalids/Berbers etc (cont)
@greeny202a: ALL races of humans today you as well as I are descended from this early ancestor the mtDNA group L1!?
There is only one race in existence today, "The human Race". This comprises of people from different, continents, nationalities and cultural backgrounds.
@greeny202a You cannot imply just by ignorant arrogance that hunter-gatherers were not "intelligent"! For example, the Khoisan people had also as we're discovering more and more their own calendars and we already know they were great artists(imagination) a visit to caves over there in beautiful South Africa won't hurt! Stop being racist and think a little! The word 'primitive' is a relative term. Africa is the cradle of humanity, as well civilization, they go together!
@greeny202a The Africanist replies to you. In your ignorance, you forgot to mention that many Europeans ,clans,tribes,nations,ethnic groups( e.g. Germans,Slavs,Balts, northern Celts,etc..) became "civilized" only after contact with southern Europeans(Romans/Greeks), as well as with the help of Christianity. This wasn't more than 2000 years ago O.K.! Also, many African tribes, nations, etc.. went from Stone Age to Iron Age, the Bronze was not always important. Please educate yourself, brit!
@adeamujale (cont) Then about 50,000 years ago another group split from this San ancestor and migrated out of Africa altogether and populated the rest of the world first Asia then Europe then moving across to The Americas. There are 3 distinct mtDNA groups in Africa L1 Capoids (San), L2 Negroids and the L3 North Africans. West Africans are NOT the original model they are an adaptation just like the Asians are! What you have to understand is that there is more genetic difference between (cont)
@greeny202a: The first humans were black Africans. So all that mumbo- jumbo about L1, L2 and L3 are only applicable in the medical sciences. And for your information, i am an original model of the very first community that set foot on planet earth. I do not need you nor anyone else to tell me any different.
@greeny202a Whether there were at one time very distinct groups such L1,L2,L3 doesn't matter. They were indigenous Africans to be begin with. Their lineage altogether is a lot older than Asians or whoever else. If you have an idea about genetical distance you'll understand this! Bantus are closer to the San people than they are even to West Africans for example. Berbers are lot more recent than other Africans. So please hush!
@amasonga All our lineages are older!!!!! That's the point modern Africans are a modern phenotype and are just as adapted to their environments as anyone else!!! You people wrongly seem to think that you have a closer link to the original Africans when in fact modern sub-Saharan Africans are more closely related to an Asian for example than they are to an African from 50,000 years ago! WE ARE ALL MODERN HUMANS TODAY!!
@greeny202a Get out of here! Even genetically it's been proven that some of the Khoisan people of precisely South-West Africa have the oldest existing Y-chromosome types called Adam/Adamic and are indeed the most genetically diverse people. Africans as a whole, the people your bunch of racist pricks call Blacks are indeed genetically much more diverse than any non-African people, thus are the cradle of humanity. Beautiful Africa suffered at the hands of the evil Brits!
@amasonga Yes what you say is true but the point you are missing is - The San are NOT Negroid they are much older, the 3 modern African groups - Negroids, Capoids and North Africans are modern Phenotypes and just like everyone else alive are descended from the ancestors of the San. The modern day Negroid phenotype is one of the older modern ones it is about 40,000 years old. The east African San phenotype is about 200,000 years old.
@greeny202a I have had this video in my favourites for the past 9 months now and listen to the music occasionally. I think the fact that you have been on here each time I come on is incredibly sad especially for a grown man. I also think if the people who have "debates" with you were to realise how long you had been sniffing around this video they simply wouldn't bother
@missyaero Hey I cant help it if every time I open my inbox there is a message from one of these Afrocentrics rattling on about Egypt when this video has NOTHING to do with East Africa! Take a look at the posts I'm never the first to write!!!! Besides this Pan-African nonsense must be stopped it is simply unfair for African Americans to mix and match the African culture they like or don't like! They have to be set straight :)
@adeamujale (cont) you as a Nigerian and someone from Ethiopia than there is between a European and a Japanese because all non-Africans come from the same East African source where as North and west Africans do not. This is why every race of non-African alive today shares 4-5% neanderthal DNA and you of course do not because it was the migrating group of San that interbred with Neanderthal and passed the genes on to all their descendents.
@greeny202a : For your information, Egypt is actually a part of North Africa anyhow i'n not going to go into that right now. Then that would suggest what some pundicts have been saying all along, that the ancient egyptians where black.
Even though i know that civilisation starting in and around the Nigerian region, i'm also convinced also that the ancient egyptians were infact black Africans.
Eitherway, the concensus is the the first homosapien community were black African
@greeny202a : To suggest that for the entire duration of era lapse that black Africans were merely stationary is laughable. On the contrary, ancient black Africans were very active and mobile at the sametime, they migrated and filled the rest of the world coming under immense pressure to find extra food stock. The main factor for the radical change in skin texture was due to drastic weather/climate change.
@adeamujale Its not as "laughable" as you assume you see humans were only anatomically modern 150,000 years ago the development of inteligence had yet to appear. Humans at this stage and right up to around 70,000 years ago were simple hunter/gatherers and had no civilisation or culture, they simply followed the herds around which some tribes in South Africa still do even today. Scientists are now convinced that it is this lifestyle that led the Africans to leave Africa (cont)
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. As a true son of Africa. I won't let you lie about Africa! Wrong, civilization already came into being in Africa. Good examples are for the world's oldest mathematical tool discovered in 1959 in northern Congo, older than Ancient Egypt, this year 2011 the world's oldest man-made structure called Adam's Calendar/ Enkis Calendar has been discovered in South Africa it's older than both the Stonehenge and the pyramid of Giza!
@adeamujale (cont) and spread throughout the globe and current discoveries of neanderthal tools has shown us that even as late as only 28,000 years ago when humans arrived in Europe the neanderthals that were already there had better technology, more sophisticated tools and a larger cranial capacity. It is only 15,000-12,000 years ago that humans began to become truly modern not only in appearance but in our intelligence as well. And the first signs of civilisation began with the invention(cont)
@greeny202a Isn't it amazing that right up until the Europeans figured out they were part Neanderthal, the idea of being called a Neanderthal was deemed a direct insult to one's intelligence. Haven't you seen a Geico commercial!?? lmao
@puffy230 All non-Africans are part Neanderthal not just Europeans and its true we mistakenly used to think they were dumb pre-humans but we now know this is not so. It is now thought that competition with Neanderthals was the main driving force behind the development of agriculture in Eastern Europe and Asia 12,000 years ago. It may turn out that we owe civilisation to our once believed primitive cousins. The Neanderthals had a society level closely matching some modern African tribes today.
@greeny202a You trying to claim that Neanderthals had a society level closely matching modern African tribes? You're lying! What do you know about Africa tribal organizations? They not any different from European/Asian, etc... By your statement I sense ignorance! Africa kingdoms such as that of e.g. Igbo, Kongo,Luba were not very different to those of Western Europe for your information. Get an education, before being a ridicule!
@adeamujale (cont) of agriculture in Eastern Europe and the Middle East which scientists now think was diue to competition with Neanderthal! Humans stopped being hunter/gatherers and began to farm, this in turn led to the first civilisation in modern day Iraq The Sumerians this then spread to the Nile valley then the Indus Valley to Europe then on to China. Yes human origins are in Africa but the origins of civilisation are firmly in Asia!!
@greeny202a :And the first signs of civilisation began with the invention of agriculture in Eastern Europe and the Middle East!!!
Ha! And you say you know anything about Africa, look hold on to your biased beliefs that Europe invented everything while the rest of thumanity stoodstill; but please go and preach that fallacy somewhere else because that version only washes in Europe and nowhere else.
Farming and the profession of cultivation was born and developed in the continent of Africa.
@adeamujale There you go you see...... I didn't say Europeans I said it took place in Eastern Europe because the oldest temple complex ever found on earth is in Southern Turkey it is 12,000 years old and is called "Gobekli Tepe" I advise you to Google it. The people who built this were the originators of civilisation. You can believe whatever you like but science and genetics does not lie. The Chinese once thought like you do that civilisation started there until science told them otherwise.
@greeny202a:The people who built "Gobekli Tepe" were the originators of civilisation!? No! the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" were the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.
The pyramids in Sudan and Egypt are a thing of great beauty and you talk about black Africans being primitive, who do you think were responsible for these architectural structures? Europeans? It wouldnt suprise me if you try to find a way of linking it to Europe. But the writing is on the walls (literally)
@greeny202a: The origins of both humanity and civilisation point solely in one direction, Africa. You said yourself earlier that during the holocaust of the 16 - 18th century Europeans claim to come across primitive natives. Let me ask you this? How come the national museum of many European countries is filled with precious metals and artefacts stolen and or confiscated from Africa? If these communities were primitive, how did they conjure the ability to engineer should great works of art?
@greeny202a:If they were primitive, why is it that most had systems of goverment already in place, why is it they they already had networks of complexed institutions, why is that they understood the basics in mostly anything, trade, medicine, war, irrigation, agriculture, family, the rule of law e.t.c
Surely if they were as described by the invaders, they wouldnt have a clue what all these values meant nor how they worked; and they sure wouldnt have their own legal tender..
@adeamujale Yes but you are talking only a couple of thousand years ago when referring to these works of art, when the Nok and the Ife were casting their bronzes the capital city of the Sumerians was already 5,000 years old! Do you not understand that? This is why I said before Afrocentrics simply do not understand the timeline of humanity, its not a lack of intelligence on your part but a simple misunderstanding of mankinds origins and civilisation.
@greeny202a:Obviously you havent been following my post as much as i've being trying to follow yours. How long do you think Ife has been in existence for?
@adeamujale (2) Are you aware that the first pyramids and Zigurrats on earth were built in Sumer not in Africa? The first writing system "cuneiform" was also invented in Sumer 1000 years before Nubia or Egypt and as I mentioned before "Gobekli Tepe" which is twice as old as anything found in Africa! And what of the "Venus of Willendorf" its the first piece of sculpture ever found and was discovered in Germany and is between 22 and 24,000 years old! You must Google these things and RESEARCH!
@greeny202a: you are working under the asumption that the only civilisation that influenced black Africa is Nubia or Egypt. If this is the case, then i suggest looking for the video " 95% of African Civilization is NOT Egyptian"
@adeamujale No No I was just saying that popular belief is that Egypt invented writing when we know this is not so. And I must aplogise for missing some of your comments because for some reason some of your posts are not getting through straight away but I am trying to follow them. And I have seen the video you refer to. And i accept that the origins of civilisation in Africa may well have been in the South West but we have don extensive studies now of the whole of Africa and we simply (cont)
@adeamujale No No I was just saying that popular belief is that Egypt invented writing when we know this is not so. And I must aplogise for missing some of your comments because for some reason some of your posts are not getting through straight away but I am trying to follow them. And I have seen the video you refer to. And i accept that the origins of civilisation in Africa may well have been in the South West but we have don extensive studies now of the whole of Africa and we simply (cont)
@adeamujale (cont) do not find any civilisations older than 7,000 which i think is the Kerma culture but Im not sure on that one. You see it is not that the middle east or Europe were more intelligent than Africans it is simply thate Geographical location, the boundary between Africa, Europe and Asia it is obvious that civilisation was going to arise there.
@greeny202a (cont): you cannot find records of any civilisation older than 7,000 because western records deny their existence. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but what you witness on a day-to-day basis is one of the greatest truths of the 21st century.
You see it is no secret that during the not so cosy times, anything that resembles anything that looked like gloryfying the African descendent was either confiscated, stolen, man-handled or simply destroyed.
But the truth always finds a way to out; their have been findings great and small that fill some of the gaps yet some remain un-filled. Yet normal life continues, it is always nice to be able to tell your children the real history of your country not some cooked- up story of the back of a ham burger wraper.
@greeny202a:The statues of the "Collossal Heads" date back to 2091BC but this is not a debate about who can find the earliest artefact is it? It is about the facts which is the first ever civilisation was born an managed by black African personnel
@adeamujale Well this is where you are wrong. The first civilisation were managed as you put it by Eurasian personnel. And please stop mentioning the colossal Heads it makes you sound uneducated. You only have to look at the heads to realise that they are no different to any of the giant heads found all over the Pacific from Easter Island to New Zealand! The first Americans came across from Asia via the Bering Straight and Island hopping across the Pacific not Africans across the Atlantic!
@greeny202a : Apart from the fact that their is a great concensus that the Olmec are of black African origin, is the connection between a trade network from the Niger-Delta with the Americas that dates back to the Egyptian Dynastian era.
@adeamujale But I have already shown you that this theory is nonsense! There simply is no DNA evidence of any Africans in the Americas. You can be as paranoid about Europeans science as you like but forget about the trans Atlantic nonsense. The only boats on Earth at this time were reed trade boats built by the Egyptians and they certainly were not capable of crossing the Atlantic. How can you argue with DNA?????
@greeny202a: you stick to your DNA; i'll choose tangible evidence thankyou very much. All i will say is that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that such is the case.
@greeny202a: Dont you think its a bold statement to suggest that the only boats on Earth at this time were reed trade boats built by the Egyptians and they certainly were not capable of crossing the Atlantic?
@adeamujale Yes sorry i meant of course the only boats on earth capable of sea crossings were the boats of the Egyptians , of course there were other boats everywhere It is a well know fact that the Phonecian boats were the best at this time and even they could not have made across an ocean, it is 3000 miles it would have taken over 100 days! What did they eat and drink? No im sorry its simply impossible at that time in history. NO!
@greeny202a Not very long ago, a boat was excavacated in Nigeria( Western Africa). According to carbon-dating, it has been estimated to be more 6000 years old! How can you make such a rootless claim. The Ancient Polynesians sailed in the Pacific, well before any European even set their foot in their isles. Didn't the blond,blue-eyed Vikings reach North America well before Columbus? Aren't those statues in Mexico showing figures with clearly West African facial features?
@amasonga Yes the Polynesians sailed across the Pacific from New Zealand to Tahiti but the Pacific is littered with Islands the longest journey you have to make is about 1000 miles which is possible in an ancient boat. The Atlantic on the other hand is straight 3500 miles of open ocean with the mid Atlantic current running straight down the middle of it! The vikings did not manage to cross it they only got as far as Greenland (which still belongs to Denmark today) (cont)
@amasonga (cont) To cross the Atlantic you need a multiple sail rig where the rear sail pushes the wind towards the front one basically pushing it forward like an engine and this was only invented about 800 years ago by the Europeans and even in a modern sail ships it took Columbus 31 days to reach the Americas. In an ancient boat like the one you describe from Nigeria it would have been impossible and even if the boat managed it, its occupants would have long since died of starvation (cont)
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. How dare you? You cannot always base on things of the west! Indonesians did reach the island of Madagascar well before Europeans and were trading with the Africans kingdoms they encountered! Many African kingdoms from the eastern to southern coasts were trading with China, around the 8th century, this is before rednecks came to Africa! The Ancient Egyptians built great pyramids well before European technology, didn't they?
@amasonga (cont) or dehydration! Besides all this there has been thorough DNA tests of Native Americans and there is 0% modern African DNA in the Americas prior to Slavery. I know that for African Americans the idea of Africans sailing across the Atlantic is preferable to the idea that the only reason they are in the Americas is because of slavery but unfortunately there is nothing we can do about that now. And lastly the Olmec heads are NOT AFRICAN at all they are Native American.
@greeny202a Sorry the Vikings did reach Newfound Land up in Canada(North America), and there is also evidence of it of Vikings ships. Most of your knowledge concerning people coming to the Americas is biased, since it's only based on Western European history. Not all Africans by the way who came to the Americas with European explorers were slaves, even on the earliest Spanish ghips, there were Africans! Olmecs facial features are typically West African no matter what you say.
@amasonga HA HA I think you need to look at your Newfound land "EVIDENCE" a bit more carefully because its BULLSHIT! And the only people looking at these matters with any bias is you Afrocentric buffoons! Regarding the Olmecs there is a video on my channel which should put your mind at rest about the African Olmec head NONSENSE if that doesn't then please look at the channel of a user named "blokcom", the heads look NOTHING like fucking AFRICANS!!!
@greeny202a By the way I'm not an Afrocentrist or whatever that may be. I'm an Africanist, look it up, ignorant! From Greenland, some Viking ships managed to reach some parts of North America, however were never able to subdue the people they met. I'm not claiming that the Olmecs were necessarily an African work or heritage, I implied that the facial features of the faces molded look "West African", probably faces that the artists were trying potray. Think before you write, SWINE!!
@greeny202a The first known European explorers to parts of Africa were astonished at the kingdoms they found in Africa and also their level of organization, structure. This is well written in the Portuguese archives, the relations between European and African kingdoms or empires were not always based on slavery/slave trade as you think. You should educate yourself well enough before making stupid, racist comments on Africa, please!!!!! You know nothing about Africa, nothing!!!!!!!!!!!
@amasonga You see this is the problem with you Afrocentrics! Your comment is nonsense it all depends on which part of Africa you are talking about, the relationship my country (Britain) had with Africa was certainly not as you describe here! Dr. Livingstone's journal 1858, the Lower Sudan and Ethiopia "the natives here are remarkably primitive and have not yet developed the use of the wheel" and also 6 years later "the mind of the simple African is like that of a child" STOP TALKING ABOUT (cont)
@greeny202a Yep, Britain, right! Responsible for all the mess colonialism brought as well as a couple of genocides. Blue-eyed devils! Your mind is lower than that of a little child, there were hunter-gatherers also in Europe among the Sami in Russia and northern Scandinavia up until the 18th and 19th century, so what? At the time of Livingston, very few was known about Africa, most Europeans were arrogant racist dogs.
@amasonga The fact still remains when he first encountered African Natives he found them to be at the level Europe had not been at for tens of thousands of years. Even today you still find tribes of primitive hunter gatherers that have not progressed since the bronze age.
@greeny202a Wait a minute! This shows that you are clueless about Africa and Africans as a whole. Not surprised, arrogant Brit! Primitive is a relative term. Today, major industrialized nations are realizing the damage technology has done to our beloved planet (e.g. global warming, pollution,etc..) and they're trying to go back to things such as alternative energy,etc.. going back to nature! Our African ancestors valued nature, you are the one who's backwards!
@greeny202a Just to let you know that you've been reading too many cartoon books or read too much White supremacist junk! People living "primitively" in the Western European context don't even account for 1% of Africa.
I know there are poor people in Third World nations, but not hunter gatherers, you just spread a white lie! What's progress by the way? Destroying the planet or living in harmony with it? Stop with supremacists crap. Your nation has done enough damage to Africa and humanity!
@amasonga The anti-African Americanist replies. Blah, blah fucking blah! The simple fact is that West Africans are not the original model human they are an adaptation I know the truth hurts but thats tough! You have nothing to do with ancient Egypt and there was never a pan continental black race! The East , South and North Africans do not want African Americans linking themselves to their cultures so just stick to the history of the Congo and leave Egypt alone.
@Bsmurfdizzle LOL your just like these men on ere! Seriously you guys are just going well too far with all this garbage now, do you know I had a guy on another thread trying to tell me that William Shakespeare was a black African because the name "Will of the Shaking Spear" was a popular warriors name in the Kingdom of benin?!?!?!?!!? Sheer insanity. That's what 400 years of oppression does to a people.
@Bsmurfdizzle WHAT FUCKING FACTS?!?!?!?!?!?! I gave up with these crazy cunts days ago. It is like pissing against a force nine gale! Look at that idiot amasonga instead of providing any evidence at all to back up his dream world African bullshit he just starts attacking ole whitey. Its all bullshit mate. Its horrible what has happened to your people but your are VERY quickly running out of support for your delusions.
@Bsmurfdizzle Nahhh we have already won Egypt, once they published the DNA results it was game over. i know you Afro-Yanks still don't want to accept it but hey what can we do. But now that Egypt has gone we want to put an end to the African global race bullshit and the African Olmecs and Chines and the rest of your insanity too.
@greeny202a Where the Dna test, When was it published ? I hope you don't mean reality t.vs " the Discovery channel "dna test I knew Euro-Spleens like you get your information on the same channel that you watch your tasteless cricket games on " Oi de telly says it must be tru" lol, Wheres the dna ?
@Bsmurfdizzle WHAT DNA TESTS?????? All of them! Every single one that has been done today has found less than 3% Sub-Saharan DNA which is too small to be anything other the remnant ancestral DNA! I could give you many links but if you simply Google "Egyptian mummies dna tests" and read every single one of the results you will not find one result with more than 3% Sub-Saharan DNA. Sorry but that little game is over, ancient Egyptians were NOT BLACK.
@greeny202a The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) diversity of 58 individuals from Upper Egypt, more than half (34 individuals) from Gurna, whose population has an ancient cultural history, were studied by sequencing the control-region and screening diagnostic RFLP markers. This sedentary population presented similarities to the Ethiopian population by the L1 and L2 macrohaplogroup frequency (20.6%), by the West Eurasian component -con-
-con- (defined by haplogroups H to K and T to X) and particularly by a high frequency (17.6%) of haplogroup M1. We statistically and phylogenetically analysed and compared the Gurna population with other Egyptian, Near East and sub-Saharan Africa populations; AMOVA and Minimum Spanning Network analysis showed that the Gurna population was not isolated from neighbouring populations. -con-
-con- the Gurna population has conserved the trace of an ancestral genetic structure from an ancestral East African population, characterized by a high M1 haplogroup frequency. The current structure of the Egyptian population may be the result of further influence of neighbouring populations on this ancestral population."
(Stevanovitch A, Gilles A, Bouzaid E, et al. (2004) Mitochondrial DNA sequence diversity in a sedentary population from Egypt.Ann Hum Genet. 68(Pt 1):23-39.)
@Bsmurfdizzle Nice little speech but I'm afraid another straw man, you see Ethiopians have been mixing with the back flow of Dravidian Indians for the last 30,000 years, this is why Ethiopians and Somalids look different to all other Africans today. So even if Southern Egyptians were originally from Ethiopia it still means that they are very unlikely to be Negroid. Look this argument has been won already why do you think you crazy mutha fuckas moved on to the Olmecs????
@greeny202a Lol, Dravidian Indians have nothing to do with this. Keep your opinion divisions to yourself and state a source that says " Ethiopians and Somalids look different to all other Africans today"
@Bsmurfdizzle A SOURCE?!?!?!?!?!?!? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Simply search Somalia women on YouTube... HA HA HA HA HA What bullshit! Man Bsmurfdizzle I admit that your side of this debate as not got very firm foundations to start off with but you always seem to put your foot in it. Can I ask you a straight question? How do you thing native West Africans feel when Afro-Yanks like you shun your own actual culture in Favour of Egypt?
@greeny202a You are babbling nonsense, Ethiopians are black Sub-Sahara Africans like all Africans.Some horn Africans have been Adxmix with arabs and euros wouldn't that make them "other " by westernize racial criteria. Not Ethiopian or Somalian. Post me a scientific source that proof pure Ethiopian or Somalian aren't Sub-Sahra Africans like the other Africans and are different.
@greeny202a Studies of crania from southern predynastic Egypt, from the formative period (4000-3100 B.C.), show them usually to be more similar to the crania of ancient Nubians, Kushites, Saharans, or modern groups from the Horn of Africa than to those of dynastic northern Egyptians or ancient or modern southern Europeans. -con-
@greeny202a -con- " (S. O. Y and A.J. Boyce, "The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians", in Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press, 1996, pp. 20-33).
@Bsmurfdizzle SMH........ The argument is not where you all descend from it is who was first and I'm sorry but you only need to look at the m130 marker to see that as little as 70,000 years ago Negroids and capoids did not exist, ALL Africans were of the older more generic type of human we see in the San. Modern Africans are just as different from this original human model then Asians or Europeans are. MODERN AFRICANS ARE NOT THE SAME AS AFRICANS 50,000 YEARS AGO!!!!!!
@Bsmurfdizzle LOL well if you had any intelligence you would know the significance of M130. Let me ask you something dizzle what is the exact reason why the Negroids began to get darker skins about 40,000 years ago? Do you even know?
@greeny202a Are you retarded? You have no fucking argument. African linage L1 is over 30'000 years old as well as " l1" which you placed on "Negroids" so now what they weren't dark then like we are now? Lolololol. What the fuck does M130 have to do anything it broke off into a different linage in Asia 50'000 years ago.
@Bsmurfdizzle Oh dizzle, dizzle, dizzle you are such a racist afrocentric idiot. Watch this video on YouTube "com/watch?v=uCrQauP8fnI" Its called the incredible human journey, Europe, episode 1. and is presented by Dr Alice Roberts who is one of the most respect scientists in her field. Jump to about 7:00 and they make a re-construction of the face of the African Migrators 50,000 years ago and listen to how they describe the face. When we left Africa the Negroids had not developed yet!
@Bsmurfdizzle Thats exactly the point 50,000 years ago Africans were not as black as the Negroids today they were more likely the same as the San today! The m130 marker only appeared in the East African migrators so we know they were not Negroid then and we know the ice age only ended 10,000 years ago so there would have been no mixing of Negroids into North Africa before that. So basically even if Egyptians did come from the south we simply do not know whether they were as dark as today. :)
@greeny202a Lol, you are trying your best but failing :) The Linage of Africa Wheather it's l2, l3 comes from a bantu woman L1 is the root of l2 , l3 these branches broke off into their own lil groups but they are still African. If you want to call em "Sub- Negroid " be my guess . Your m130 means nothing to this argument it only proofs what I said days ago on this post some East Africans are mixed and some aren't.
@greeny202a "During an excavation headed by the German Institute for Archaeology, Cairo, at the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt, three types of tissues from different mummies were sampled to compare 13 well known rehydration methods for mummified tissue with three newly developed methods. .. Skin sections showed particularly good tissue preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. -con-
@greeny202a con -Although much of the epidermis had already separated from the dermis, the remaining epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1). The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin."
--(A-M Mekota and M Vermehren. (2005) Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues. Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, Vol. 80, No. 1, Pages 7-13
@Bsmurfdizzle No she was not a bantu woman. She was of course darker than Europeans but she was by no means Bantu. And yes we may finally be able to agree on something I will admit they were African but certainly not as you put it Bantu! You have to understand that modern black Africans are a modern phenotype just like the Asians and the Europeans. If you want to call them African then be mu guest but Negroid or Bantu NO!
@greeny202a Oh, wait you called L1 negroid a few days ago. You should scroll down. So we are tossing this negroid term now? Oh what are the modern black Africans modern phenotype then ? If they're not l1 or l2 or l3 what are they?
@Bsmurfdizzle L1 is the ancestor of the Negroids and not the ancestor of the Capoids do you not understand that yet. You dont think that the two groups spent 150,000 years as more generic San group then 120,000 years ago split into two and one immediately became Negroid overnight do you??? The split of the L1 and L2 according to geneticists was between 120 and 175,000 ya and the first time we find the modern Negroid phenotype is 40,000 ya now when in between these two dates (cont).
@Bsmurfdizzle (cont) you became as you are today we may never know because we can only trace markers when you mix with something else and that happened 50,000 ya when the Bantu began repopullating East Africa. Can i ask you a question though dizzle and please answer honestly - Why is it so upsetting for you to even consider that you're people were not always Negroid?
@greeny202a You ever consider invasions and intermarriage is a reason why some Horn Africans look different from other Africans ? Notice I said "Some." Not all look look like a stereotypical Horn African.
The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plandescribed by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and -con-
-con- Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations." (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.
@greeny202a anthropologist no longer classify "races" by phenotypes any longer. Classification like Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid are no longer used in anthropology.
@Bsmurfdizzle No but in Genetics there is a new use for the woed to desceibe the first group of Africans to split from the Original San ancestors..... the L1 Group or as i call them NEGROIDS
@greeny202a Hmmhmm , What makes them l1 l2, l3 ,l4 all come from the same linage all are found in Sub-Sahra. Every African decedents from central south Africans .Ethiopian or Somalian Can you prove how these Africans are significantly different from others that you divide them ?
@greeny202a "There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas."
@greeny202a (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)
@greeny202a Yep, I know all the relationship Britain had with Africa. Stealing, exploiting, destroying Africaness. You are the worst race of White people, there is! Blue-eyed devils! That's why you are on average uglier than other Europeans too, paler, more freckly, pinched nasal features like rats, and ugly squirrel-like teeth. Go catch a tan if you can, idiotic redneck! Stay in your island! As the French say!
@amasonga (cont) AFRICA AS THOUGH IT WAS ONE GROUP OF UNITED PEOPLE!!! West Africans had NOTHING to do with East and South Africans and vice versa!!! Some tribes even today still live the simple hunter gatherer life style that has not been seen in Europe for about 12,000 years!!!!!!!
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. The fact that indigenous "pure" Americans do not possess any significant DNA of modern "Africanoid" source, doesn't mean that they were not at one time visited by African people. I'm from one purest Central African ancestry, that doesn't mean Europeans never came as visitors to my ancestral village! Visitors don't always mingle with the people they meet. Are you OK?
The Africanist answers. By your writing and your analysis, I can imply that you have something against Africans, in particular African-Americans perhaps because your ancestors were slave-owners, culprits, torturers of Black people in America or you're simply a disturbed racist nut!! Just to let you know that the 400 years of slavery, racism, segregation, de-humanizing, torturing didn't the break the will of those Africans, and they still stand proud today! I'm 100% African!!!!!
@adeamujale (2) 2091 BC HA HA HA Are you aware that where I am sitting writing to you now is about 250 yards away from a celtic stone circle that was erected by my ancestors at least 2000 years before your colossal heads were carved?
@greeny202a: 2091 BC HA HA HA Are you aware that where I am sitting writing to you now is about 250 yards away from a celtic stone circle that was erected by my ancestors at least 2000 years before your colossal heads were carved?
@adeamujale (cont) you as a Nigerian and someone from Ethiopia than there is between a European and a Japanese because all non-Africans come from the same East African source where as North and west Africans do not. This is why every race of non-African alive today shares 4-5% neanderthal DNA and you of course do not because it was the migrating group of San that interbred with Neanderthal and passed the genes on to all their descendents.
Nigeria doesnt need to engineer a glorious past because history speaks for itself; and that the bottom line; i've come accross someone who suggested that history is written by the side who wins a war/battle/conflict e.t.c Well that is the most obsurd thing i've heard in recent times, history is not decided by anybody, it is detached from corruption, the truth always outs in the end.
Do me a favour, go and learn about your own history first before trying to define elsewhere.
According to my grandmother, all of humanity originated not in Cairo nor Addis Abbaba but in Ile Ife. And recent findings have fell short of proving this beyond resonable doubt but more importantly have been able to simultaneously debunk the notion that the ancient city of Ife couldnt have existed in the paleolithic era.
Giving rise to the debate that concludes that Africans where traveling to an fro the Americas prior to Colombus's expedition. depicted in the video "They came before Colombus"
In short, this describes a civilization known as the "Olmec" that inhabited the Americas during the Archaic periods.
There is no getting away from these facts as they come with proof in the form of various monuments simply known as the "Collossal Heads" as they are towering statues of a black warriors (20-40 ton of bassalt rock) in full battle regalia; carbon dating setting the earliest as 2091BC.
In short, this describes a civilization known as the "Olmec" that inhabited the Americas during the Aramaic period (dating 700–300 BCE). They are now known as the first black Americans.
There is no getting away from these facts as they come with proof in the form of various monuments simply known as the "Collossal Heads" as they are towering statues of a black warriors (20-40 ton of bassalt rock) in full battle regalia; carbon dating setting the earliest as 2091BC.
@adeamujale *SIGH* I agree with you about Africa and its people but this crazy idea of Africans sailing across the Atlantic is ludicrous and quite frankly you show your level of education when you say that. There are so many ways i can destroy this "African Olmec" idea but first i simply have to point out YOU CANNOT CARBON DATE A FUCKING STONE HEAD THERE IS NO CARBON IN IT!!!! The earliest dates we have for this region are from La Venta 1200 to 1500 B.C! (cont)
@adeamujale (cont) besides this of course there has been very thorough DNA testing of all Native American tribes and in all the tests they have found 0% African DNA in the Americas prior to slavery. Frankly if Africans had landed in the Americas 3000 years ago then the Native Americans would have developed some immunity to the old world diseases but what happened when Europeans landed 500 years ago? Half the population died from Smallpox! WEST AFRICANS NEVER SAILED ACROSS THE ATLANTIC!
@greeny202a: Do you even have a clue what i'm talking about here? Do you? Have you heard of the Olmec civilisation? If you cannot answer these basic questions, then it is end of discussion. Because frankly i'm saying one thing are you are on about something completely different.
When i say pre- Colomubus; i mean the archaic period, where the native Americans present during the Egyptian dynasties?
@adeamujale This is the problem with Afrocentrics you simply have no grasp of timelines! The Olmecs were a Meso-American civilsation beginning in Mexico about 1500 BC forming from the indigenous population that entered the Americas from Asia via the Bering straight about 12,000 years ago! The oldest signs of human activity in the Americas has only been dated to 13,000 years! THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR 1492! The idea is ridiculous!
@greeny202a:Ofcourse i'm Afrocentric; its you that thinks its a bad thing because you dont know what it means or symbolises. The Olmec civilisation were black! This is the whole point. These are scientific findings, again go and do your homework. All recent evidence points towards the FACTS that the OLMEC were direct African descendants.
The "Collossal Heads" that i mentioned earlier; these have gone through scientific scrutiny and the team of acheaologist came to this same conclusion.
@adeamujale Man you are now sounding like a buffoon! The research you are talking about has been thoroughly debunked now! The Olmecs were a direct descendant of the original Asian migrators! Im sorry my deluded African friend but since we mapped the human genome these silly fantasy stories can no longer be thrown around like in the 80's. THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR TO 1492! Actually there is no evidence that West Africans ever left West Africa never mind sailing the Atlantic!
@greeny202a:I see you keep saying we; who is the we you refer to?
The Olmec civilisation were black! This is the whole point. These are scientific findings, again go and do your homework. All recent evidence points towards the FACTS that the OLMEC were direct African descendants.
The proof is overwhelming, i dont need to prove anything to you by the way. So you can keeping living in your delusional bubble thats your cup of tea.
@greeny202a: Again if you need to know more, go and earn the right to; apply for a space to study geology in my local University. If you possess the correct grades and are lucky enough to be accepted then you'll get taught how things really are and not the delusions you carry in your head.
@greeny202a:West Africa? Who is talking about West Africa? Because i'm talking about a country not a region of countries. Now for the last time, where are you from? If you cannot answer that then the discussion has ended and i'll apreciate if you do not but into my post since you do not have the nerve to reveal yourself.
@greeny202a: I'm pretty much certain that you are not Nigerian, so where are you from and why do you think you are an authority on this issue i just raised? First you are an authority on Egypt; then you are an authority on Ife; then suddenly you are an authority on Mexico!? Now do you see the problem?
You have just revealed that not only are you a fraud as i've been saying all along but that you are a trouble maker too. Arguing blindly on issues you seem to know nothing about.
@adeamujale You are correct in one respect im not Nigerian I am English and I dont claim to be an expert on any of the subjects you mentioned but I do stay up to date wit all the current accepted theories on ancient cultures and by accepted I mean peer reviewed, researched and demonstrable scientific theory! You see I have a lot of respect for African culture but only its TRUE culture and not the drivel served up by the crazy American Afrocentrics! Seriously you are insulting a whole (cont)
@greeny202a You dont claim to be an expert on any of the subjects mentioned? then what is the argument about? Do you just like whinning people up. Because frankly if you find this funny, then you are very sad. What we have here is a very serious case that has gone through expert scrutiny and second opinion and you are not an expert on history, geology, geophysics, archeology or anthropology yet you argue vigourously on matters that i assume you've picked up out of a journal or newspaper article.
@adeamujale (cont) continent full of people by claiming the Olmecs were Africans. It was one of the greatest achievements in history when the Native Americans invented civilisation independently of the Old World and along come the Africans trying to steal that great honour away from them! Explain something to me - Why are the West Africans so intent on trying to engineer a glorious past for themselves? Why can they not just be happy with who they actually are?
@greeny202a :Say what? For the last time, i'm talking about Nigeria, not West Africa, not East Africa or anywhere else for that matter. I've told you before, and i'll repeat it again YoU need help!!! What do you know about African culture? Now i'm vexed now.... Answer immediately!
@adeamujale This is the problem with Afrocentrics you simply have no grasp of timelines! The Olmecs were a Meso-American civilsation beginning in Mexico about 1500 BC forming from the indigenous population that entered the Americas from Asia via the Bering straight about 12,000 years ago! The oldest signs of human activity in the Americas has only been dated to 13,000 years! THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR 1492! The idea is ridiculous!
@greeny202a: Have you ever heard of the Olmec civilization? Where the native Americans present during the Egyptian dynasties? Do you know when the archaic period was?
According to my grandmother , all of humanity originated not in Cairo nor Addis Abbaba but in Ile Ife. And recent findings have fell short of proving this beyond resonable doubt but more importantly have been able to simultaneously debunk the notion that the ancient city of Ife couldnt have existed in the paleolithic era.
Giving rise to the debate that concludes that Africans where traveling to an fro the Americas prior to Colombus's expedition. depicted in the video "They came before Colombus"
Now about the video that you claim is nonsense, expanciate. Or are you one of those that says anything that is not in the oxford dictionary is nonsense? I'm assuming the answer to that is yes, however what you discard as being nonsensense is actualy a concensus of opinion from scholars ans geophysics experts. What is your discipline? Do you have one? How have you come to such conclusion. Explaination pls. Is there one?
@adeamujale You would be advised to actually read my comments correctly before jumping astride you high horse and claiming some kind if sociological high ground! I did NOT say this video was nonsense I said the guy I was responding to was full of nonsense I watched this video to see some West African art and was confronted by a collection of comments from Afrocentric idiots trying to link this video with Ancient Egypt! Feel free to look back at the discussions! now as for YOU.... (eagerly cont)
@adeamujale (cont) Listen you self obsessed, pretentious prick! The only person here showing any kind of "racism" is you when you assume that i know nothing about Africa simply because I want to distance West Africa from East Africa!!!!! This "consensus of opinion" you claim seems to be a figment of your imagination please explain what conclusion of mine you wish me to clarify and then explain where you get the information on your position.
@greeny202a(cont)Ha! Self obsessed, pretentious prick!? Stop talking to yourself; you could get locked up for less.
Here we go again! Are you even reading my response?
I'm sorry but if you have read my previous post you would see that i gave you the hints already, you do not know jack about the great continent, if you want to why not try to go and study in one of her great Universities. Sometimes you need to actual pay to learn a thing or two just like the rest of us.
I dont understand how some people were racist cause we all have ancesters who are african because thats where people originated from? The ignorrance is shameful...
rayray7531 2 weeks ago
With all the African ancient cities the most common this amongst them all is that when The Europeans came they refused to believe that the architecture the statues, the sculptures everything could not be created by people with dark brown skin people who they deemed to be "primitive" and "backwards" and uncivilized they thought that it had to have come from the Arabs, the Chinese or from themselves.
I suggest watching the Lost Kingdoms of Africa documentary on the BBC it should all be on youtube
MizzDiamonds 1 month ago
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Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
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Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
The Africanist states. As Kaunda once said, Africa for Africans! My fellow Black folks claim your rich heritage, before someone else robs it from you. Viva the Ife of Nigeria!
amasonga 2 months ago
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amasonga 2 months ago
Africa is the cradle of humanity, civilization, philosophy, physical sciences, commerce, metarlurgy, agriculture... Pretty much all the core recipes of civility.
The greatest mistake the war mongering crusaders made was assuming that if they attempted to get rid of the evidence of black African history then they'll be free to create it themselves. This assumption was admitedly witty but more importantly was always doomed for failure.
adeamujale 3 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
According to scientific analysis, who were the first homosapiens?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Whether you like it or not! The answer to the two previous questions is "The black African".
The black Africans were responsible for pionering many fuindamental issues of early human life; i.e the first civilisation, the first governmental system, the first mode of transport, the first health care systems, the first monetary institutions, the first form of literacy, the first writting sytems, the first language format e.t.c
The sooner you come to grips with this the better.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale The first Homo-sapiens were the East Africans ALL races of humans today you as well as I are descended from this early ancestor the mtDNA group L1. This group no longer exists of course but there descendants (The San) do. About 150,000 years ago a group split from the original group and migrated West and adapted to the tropical environment there (Negroids) soon after another group split and migrated North again adapting to the environment and becoming the Somalids/Berbers etc (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a: ALL races of humans today you as well as I are descended from this early ancestor the mtDNA group L1!?
There is only one race in existence today, "The human Race". This comprises of people from different, continents, nationalities and cultural backgrounds.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a You cannot imply just by ignorant arrogance that hunter-gatherers were not "intelligent"! For example, the Khoisan people had also as we're discovering more and more their own calendars and we already know they were great artists(imagination) a visit to caves over there in beautiful South Africa won't hurt! Stop being racist and think a little! The word 'primitive' is a relative term. Africa is the cradle of humanity, as well civilization, they go together!
amasonga 2 months ago
@greeny202a The Africanist replies to you. In your ignorance, you forgot to mention that many Europeans ,clans,tribes,nations,ethnic groups( e.g. Germans,Slavs,Balts, northern Celts,etc..) became "civilized" only after contact with southern Europeans(Romans/Greeks), as well as with the help of Christianity. This wasn't more than 2000 years ago O.K.! Also, many African tribes, nations, etc.. went from Stone Age to Iron Age, the Bronze was not always important. Please educate yourself, brit!
amasonga 2 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) Then about 50,000 years ago another group split from this San ancestor and migrated out of Africa altogether and populated the rest of the world first Asia then Europe then moving across to The Americas. There are 3 distinct mtDNA groups in Africa L1 Capoids (San), L2 Negroids and the L3 North Africans. West Africans are NOT the original model they are an adaptation just like the Asians are! What you have to understand is that there is more genetic difference between (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a: The first humans were black Africans. So all that mumbo- jumbo about L1, L2 and L3 are only applicable in the medical sciences. And for your information, i am an original model of the very first community that set foot on planet earth. I do not need you nor anyone else to tell me any different.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a Whether there were at one time very distinct groups such L1,L2,L3 doesn't matter. They were indigenous Africans to be begin with. Their lineage altogether is a lot older than Asians or whoever else. If you have an idea about genetical distance you'll understand this! Bantus are closer to the San people than they are even to West Africans for example. Berbers are lot more recent than other Africans. So please hush!
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga All our lineages are older!!!!! That's the point modern Africans are a modern phenotype and are just as adapted to their environments as anyone else!!! You people wrongly seem to think that you have a closer link to the original Africans when in fact modern sub-Saharan Africans are more closely related to an Asian for example than they are to an African from 50,000 years ago! WE ARE ALL MODERN HUMANS TODAY!!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Get out of here! Even genetically it's been proven that some of the Khoisan people of precisely South-West Africa have the oldest existing Y-chromosome types called Adam/Adamic and are indeed the most genetically diverse people. Africans as a whole, the people your bunch of racist pricks call Blacks are indeed genetically much more diverse than any non-African people, thus are the cradle of humanity. Beautiful Africa suffered at the hands of the evil Brits!
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@amasonga Yes what you say is true but the point you are missing is - The San are NOT Negroid they are much older, the 3 modern African groups - Negroids, Capoids and North Africans are modern Phenotypes and just like everyone else alive are descended from the ancestors of the San. The modern day Negroid phenotype is one of the older modern ones it is about 40,000 years old. The east African San phenotype is about 200,000 years old.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a I have had this video in my favourites for the past 9 months now and listen to the music occasionally. I think the fact that you have been on here each time I come on is incredibly sad especially for a grown man. I also think if the people who have "debates" with you were to realise how long you had been sniffing around this video they simply wouldn't bother
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@missyaero Hey I cant help it if every time I open my inbox there is a message from one of these Afrocentrics rattling on about Egypt when this video has NOTHING to do with East Africa! Take a look at the posts I'm never the first to write!!!! Besides this Pan-African nonsense must be stopped it is simply unfair for African Americans to mix and match the African culture they like or don't like! They have to be set straight :)
greeny202a 2 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) you as a Nigerian and someone from Ethiopia than there is between a European and a Japanese because all non-Africans come from the same East African source where as North and west Africans do not. This is why every race of non-African alive today shares 4-5% neanderthal DNA and you of course do not because it was the migrating group of San that interbred with Neanderthal and passed the genes on to all their descendents.
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a : For your information, Egypt is actually a part of North Africa anyhow i'n not going to go into that right now. Then that would suggest what some pundicts have been saying all along, that the ancient egyptians where black.
Even though i know that civilisation starting in and around the Nigerian region, i'm also convinced also that the ancient egyptians were infact black Africans.
Eitherway, the concensus is the the first homosapien community were black African
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a : To suggest that for the entire duration of era lapse that black Africans were merely stationary is laughable. On the contrary, ancient black Africans were very active and mobile at the sametime, they migrated and filled the rest of the world coming under immense pressure to find extra food stock. The main factor for the radical change in skin texture was due to drastic weather/climate change.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale Its not as "laughable" as you assume you see humans were only anatomically modern 150,000 years ago the development of inteligence had yet to appear. Humans at this stage and right up to around 70,000 years ago were simple hunter/gatherers and had no civilisation or culture, they simply followed the herds around which some tribes in South Africa still do even today. Scientists are now convinced that it is this lifestyle that led the Africans to leave Africa (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. As a true son of Africa. I won't let you lie about Africa! Wrong, civilization already came into being in Africa. Good examples are for the world's oldest mathematical tool discovered in 1959 in northern Congo, older than Ancient Egypt, this year 2011 the world's oldest man-made structure called Adam's Calendar/ Enkis Calendar has been discovered in South Africa it's older than both the Stonehenge and the pyramid of Giza!
amasonga 2 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) and spread throughout the globe and current discoveries of neanderthal tools has shown us that even as late as only 28,000 years ago when humans arrived in Europe the neanderthals that were already there had better technology, more sophisticated tools and a larger cranial capacity. It is only 15,000-12,000 years ago that humans began to become truly modern not only in appearance but in our intelligence as well. And the first signs of civilisation began with the invention(cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a Isn't it amazing that right up until the Europeans figured out they were part Neanderthal, the idea of being called a Neanderthal was deemed a direct insult to one's intelligence. Haven't you seen a Geico commercial!?? lmao
puffy230 3 months ago
@puffy230 All non-Africans are part Neanderthal not just Europeans and its true we mistakenly used to think they were dumb pre-humans but we now know this is not so. It is now thought that competition with Neanderthals was the main driving force behind the development of agriculture in Eastern Europe and Asia 12,000 years ago. It may turn out that we owe civilisation to our once believed primitive cousins. The Neanderthals had a society level closely matching some modern African tribes today.
greeny202a 3 months ago
@greeny202a You trying to claim that Neanderthals had a society level closely matching modern African tribes? You're lying! What do you know about Africa tribal organizations? They not any different from European/Asian, etc... By your statement I sense ignorance! Africa kingdoms such as that of e.g. Igbo, Kongo,Luba were not very different to those of Western Europe for your information. Get an education, before being a ridicule!
amasonga 2 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) of agriculture in Eastern Europe and the Middle East which scientists now think was diue to competition with Neanderthal! Humans stopped being hunter/gatherers and began to farm, this in turn led to the first civilisation in modern day Iraq The Sumerians this then spread to the Nile valley then the Indus Valley to Europe then on to China. Yes human origins are in Africa but the origins of civilisation are firmly in Asia!!
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a :And the first signs of civilisation began with the invention of agriculture in Eastern Europe and the Middle East!!!
Ha! And you say you know anything about Africa, look hold on to your biased beliefs that Europe invented everything while the rest of thumanity stoodstill; but please go and preach that fallacy somewhere else because that version only washes in Europe and nowhere else.
Farming and the profession of cultivation was born and developed in the continent of Africa.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale There you go you see...... I didn't say Europeans I said it took place in Eastern Europe because the oldest temple complex ever found on earth is in Southern Turkey it is 12,000 years old and is called "Gobekli Tepe" I advise you to Google it. The people who built this were the originators of civilisation. You can believe whatever you like but science and genetics does not lie. The Chinese once thought like you do that civilisation started there until science told them otherwise.
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a:The people who built "Gobekli Tepe" were the originators of civilisation!? No! the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" were the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.
The pyramids in Sudan and Egypt are a thing of great beauty and you talk about black Africans being primitive, who do you think were responsible for these architectural structures? Europeans? It wouldnt suprise me if you try to find a way of linking it to Europe. But the writing is on the walls (literally)
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: The origins of both humanity and civilisation point solely in one direction, Africa. You said yourself earlier that during the holocaust of the 16 - 18th century Europeans claim to come across primitive natives. Let me ask you this? How come the national museum of many European countries is filled with precious metals and artefacts stolen and or confiscated from Africa? If these communities were primitive, how did they conjure the ability to engineer should great works of art?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a:If they were primitive, why is it that most had systems of goverment already in place, why is it they they already had networks of complexed institutions, why is that they understood the basics in mostly anything, trade, medicine, war, irrigation, agriculture, family, the rule of law e.t.c
Surely if they were as described by the invaders, they wouldnt have a clue what all these values meant nor how they worked; and they sure wouldnt have their own legal tender..
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale Yes but you are talking only a couple of thousand years ago when referring to these works of art, when the Nok and the Ife were casting their bronzes the capital city of the Sumerians was already 5,000 years old! Do you not understand that? This is why I said before Afrocentrics simply do not understand the timeline of humanity, its not a lack of intelligence on your part but a simple misunderstanding of mankinds origins and civilisation.
greeny202a 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
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@greeny202a:Obviously you havent been following my post as much as i've being trying to follow yours. How long do you think Ife has been in existence for?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale (2) Are you aware that the first pyramids and Zigurrats on earth were built in Sumer not in Africa? The first writing system "cuneiform" was also invented in Sumer 1000 years before Nubia or Egypt and as I mentioned before "Gobekli Tepe" which is twice as old as anything found in Africa! And what of the "Venus of Willendorf" its the first piece of sculpture ever found and was discovered in Germany and is between 22 and 24,000 years old! You must Google these things and RESEARCH!
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a: you are working under the asumption that the only civilisation that influenced black Africa is Nubia or Egypt. If this is the case, then i suggest looking for the video " 95% of African Civilization is NOT Egyptian"
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale No No I was just saying that popular belief is that Egypt invented writing when we know this is not so. And I must aplogise for missing some of your comments because for some reason some of your posts are not getting through straight away but I am trying to follow them. And I have seen the video you refer to. And i accept that the origins of civilisation in Africa may well have been in the South West but we have don extensive studies now of the whole of Africa and we simply (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@adeamujale No No I was just saying that popular belief is that Egypt invented writing when we know this is not so. And I must aplogise for missing some of your comments because for some reason some of your posts are not getting through straight away but I am trying to follow them. And I have seen the video you refer to. And i accept that the origins of civilisation in Africa may well have been in the South West but we have don extensive studies now of the whole of Africa and we simply (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) do not find any civilisations older than 7,000 which i think is the Kerma culture but Im not sure on that one. You see it is not that the middle east or Europe were more intelligent than Africans it is simply thate Geographical location, the boundary between Africa, Europe and Asia it is obvious that civilisation was going to arise there.
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a (cont): you cannot find records of any civilisation older than 7,000 because western records deny their existence. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but what you witness on a day-to-day basis is one of the greatest truths of the 21st century.
You see it is no secret that during the not so cosy times, anything that resembles anything that looked like gloryfying the African descendent was either confiscated, stolen, man-handled or simply destroyed.
adeamujale 4 months ago
But the truth always finds a way to out; their have been findings great and small that fill some of the gaps yet some remain un-filled. Yet normal life continues, it is always nice to be able to tell your children the real history of your country not some cooked- up story of the back of a ham burger wraper.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a:The statues of the "Collossal Heads" date back to 2091BC but this is not a debate about who can find the earliest artefact is it? It is about the facts which is the first ever civilisation was born an managed by black African personnel
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale Well this is where you are wrong. The first civilisation were managed as you put it by Eurasian personnel. And please stop mentioning the colossal Heads it makes you sound uneducated. You only have to look at the heads to realise that they are no different to any of the giant heads found all over the Pacific from Easter Island to New Zealand! The first Americans came across from Asia via the Bering Straight and Island hopping across the Pacific not Africans across the Atlantic!
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a : Apart from the fact that their is a great concensus that the Olmec are of black African origin, is the connection between a trade network from the Niger-Delta with the Americas that dates back to the Egyptian Dynastian era.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale But I have already shown you that this theory is nonsense! There simply is no DNA evidence of any Africans in the Americas. You can be as paranoid about Europeans science as you like but forget about the trans Atlantic nonsense. The only boats on Earth at this time were reed trade boats built by the Egyptians and they certainly were not capable of crossing the Atlantic. How can you argue with DNA?????
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a: you stick to your DNA; i'll choose tangible evidence thankyou very much. All i will say is that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that such is the case.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Dont you think its a bold statement to suggest that the only boats on Earth at this time were reed trade boats built by the Egyptians and they certainly were not capable of crossing the Atlantic?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale Yes sorry i meant of course the only boats on earth capable of sea crossings were the boats of the Egyptians , of course there were other boats everywhere It is a well know fact that the Phonecian boats were the best at this time and even they could not have made across an ocean, it is 3000 miles it would have taken over 100 days! What did they eat and drink? No im sorry its simply impossible at that time in history. NO!
greeny202a 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
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@greeny202a : Yes, thats just unbelieveable isnt it; but not inconceivable they were called "Oko-Oju-Omi" a direct translation into "water vessels"
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a Not very long ago, a boat was excavacated in Nigeria( Western Africa). According to carbon-dating, it has been estimated to be more 6000 years old! How can you make such a rootless claim. The Ancient Polynesians sailed in the Pacific, well before any European even set their foot in their isles. Didn't the blond,blue-eyed Vikings reach North America well before Columbus? Aren't those statues in Mexico showing figures with clearly West African facial features?
amasonga 4 months ago
@amasonga Yes the Polynesians sailed across the Pacific from New Zealand to Tahiti but the Pacific is littered with Islands the longest journey you have to make is about 1000 miles which is possible in an ancient boat. The Atlantic on the other hand is straight 3500 miles of open ocean with the mid Atlantic current running straight down the middle of it! The vikings did not manage to cross it they only got as far as Greenland (which still belongs to Denmark today) (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@amasonga (cont) To cross the Atlantic you need a multiple sail rig where the rear sail pushes the wind towards the front one basically pushing it forward like an engine and this was only invented about 800 years ago by the Europeans and even in a modern sail ships it took Columbus 31 days to reach the Americas. In an ancient boat like the one you describe from Nigeria it would have been impossible and even if the boat managed it, its occupants would have long since died of starvation (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. How dare you? You cannot always base on things of the west! Indonesians did reach the island of Madagascar well before Europeans and were trading with the Africans kingdoms they encountered! Many African kingdoms from the eastern to southern coasts were trading with China, around the 8th century, this is before rednecks came to Africa! The Ancient Egyptians built great pyramids well before European technology, didn't they?
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga (cont) or dehydration! Besides all this there has been thorough DNA tests of Native Americans and there is 0% modern African DNA in the Americas prior to Slavery. I know that for African Americans the idea of Africans sailing across the Atlantic is preferable to the idea that the only reason they are in the Americas is because of slavery but unfortunately there is nothing we can do about that now. And lastly the Olmec heads are NOT AFRICAN at all they are Native American.
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a Sorry the Vikings did reach Newfound Land up in Canada(North America), and there is also evidence of it of Vikings ships. Most of your knowledge concerning people coming to the Americas is biased, since it's only based on Western European history. Not all Africans by the way who came to the Americas with European explorers were slaves, even on the earliest Spanish ghips, there were Africans! Olmecs facial features are typically West African no matter what you say.
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga HA HA I think you need to look at your Newfound land "EVIDENCE" a bit more carefully because its BULLSHIT! And the only people looking at these matters with any bias is you Afrocentric buffoons! Regarding the Olmecs there is a video on my channel which should put your mind at rest about the African Olmec head NONSENSE if that doesn't then please look at the channel of a user named "blokcom", the heads look NOTHING like fucking AFRICANS!!!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a By the way I'm not an Afrocentrist or whatever that may be. I'm an Africanist, look it up, ignorant! From Greenland, some Viking ships managed to reach some parts of North America, however were never able to subdue the people they met. I'm not claiming that the Olmecs were necessarily an African work or heritage, I implied that the facial features of the faces molded look "West African", probably faces that the artists were trying potray. Think before you write, SWINE!!
amasonga 2 months ago
@greeny202a The first known European explorers to parts of Africa were astonished at the kingdoms they found in Africa and also their level of organization, structure. This is well written in the Portuguese archives, the relations between European and African kingdoms or empires were not always based on slavery/slave trade as you think. You should educate yourself well enough before making stupid, racist comments on Africa, please!!!!! You know nothing about Africa, nothing!!!!!!!!!!!
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga You see this is the problem with you Afrocentrics! Your comment is nonsense it all depends on which part of Africa you are talking about, the relationship my country (Britain) had with Africa was certainly not as you describe here! Dr. Livingstone's journal 1858, the Lower Sudan and Ethiopia "the natives here are remarkably primitive and have not yet developed the use of the wheel" and also 6 years later "the mind of the simple African is like that of a child" STOP TALKING ABOUT (cont)
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Yep, Britain, right! Responsible for all the mess colonialism brought as well as a couple of genocides. Blue-eyed devils! Your mind is lower than that of a little child, there were hunter-gatherers also in Europe among the Sami in Russia and northern Scandinavia up until the 18th and 19th century, so what? At the time of Livingston, very few was known about Africa, most Europeans were arrogant racist dogs.
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga The fact still remains when he first encountered African Natives he found them to be at the level Europe had not been at for tens of thousands of years. Even today you still find tribes of primitive hunter gatherers that have not progressed since the bronze age.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Wait a minute! This shows that you are clueless about Africa and Africans as a whole. Not surprised, arrogant Brit! Primitive is a relative term. Today, major industrialized nations are realizing the damage technology has done to our beloved planet (e.g. global warming, pollution,etc..) and they're trying to go back to things such as alternative energy,etc.. going back to nature! Our African ancestors valued nature, you are the one who's backwards!
amasonga 2 months ago
@greeny202a Just to let you know that you've been reading too many cartoon books or read too much White supremacist junk! People living "primitively" in the Western European context don't even account for 1% of Africa.
I know there are poor people in Third World nations, but not hunter gatherers, you just spread a white lie! What's progress by the way? Destroying the planet or living in harmony with it? Stop with supremacists crap. Your nation has done enough damage to Africa and humanity!
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga The anti-African Americanist replies. Blah, blah fucking blah! The simple fact is that West Africans are not the original model human they are an adaptation I know the truth hurts but thats tough! You have nothing to do with ancient Egypt and there was never a pan continental black race! The East , South and North Africans do not want African Americans linking themselves to their cultures so just stick to the history of the Congo and leave Egypt alone.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Yur getting trashed, lol
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle LOL your just like these men on ere! Seriously you guys are just going well too far with all this garbage now, do you know I had a guy on another thread trying to tell me that William Shakespeare was a black African because the name "Will of the Shaking Spear" was a popular warriors name in the Kingdom of benin?!?!?!?!!? Sheer insanity. That's what 400 years of oppression does to a people.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Stick to the topic, here. You are getting trashed by these guy who have facts to your unwanted opinions. Lol, I love it! lol
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle WHAT FUCKING FACTS?!?!?!?!?!?! I gave up with these crazy cunts days ago. It is like pissing against a force nine gale! Look at that idiot amasonga instead of providing any evidence at all to back up his dream world African bullshit he just starts attacking ole whitey. Its all bullshit mate. Its horrible what has happened to your people but your are VERY quickly running out of support for your delusions.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Haha , Whine, Whine. Get off this thread and comeback to the Egyptians threads so I tear you a new 1.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle Nahhh we have already won Egypt, once they published the DNA results it was game over. i know you Afro-Yanks still don't want to accept it but hey what can we do. But now that Egypt has gone we want to put an end to the African global race bullshit and the African Olmecs and Chines and the rest of your insanity too.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Where the Dna test, When was it published ? I hope you don't mean reality t.vs " the Discovery channel "dna test I knew Euro-Spleens like you get your information on the same channel that you watch your tasteless cricket games on " Oi de telly says it must be tru" lol, Wheres the dna ?
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle WHAT DNA TESTS?????? All of them! Every single one that has been done today has found less than 3% Sub-Saharan DNA which is too small to be anything other the remnant ancestral DNA! I could give you many links but if you simply Google "Egyptian mummies dna tests" and read every single one of the results you will not find one result with more than 3% Sub-Saharan DNA. Sorry but that little game is over, ancient Egyptians were NOT BLACK.
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Lol, I'ma embarrass you now.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) diversity of 58 individuals from Upper Egypt, more than half (34 individuals) from Gurna, whose population has an ancient cultural history, were studied by sequencing the control-region and screening diagnostic RFLP markers. This sedentary population presented similarities to the Ethiopian population by the L1 and L2 macrohaplogroup frequency (20.6%), by the West Eurasian component -con-
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
-con- (defined by haplogroups H to K and T to X) and particularly by a high frequency (17.6%) of haplogroup M1. We statistically and phylogenetically analysed and compared the Gurna population with other Egyptian, Near East and sub-Saharan Africa populations; AMOVA and Minimum Spanning Network analysis showed that the Gurna population was not isolated from neighbouring populations. -con-
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
-con- the Gurna population has conserved the trace of an ancestral genetic structure from an ancestral East African population, characterized by a high M1 haplogroup frequency. The current structure of the Egyptian population may be the result of further influence of neighbouring populations on this ancestral population."
(Stevanovitch A, Gilles A, Bouzaid E, et al. (2004) Mitochondrial DNA sequence diversity in a sedentary population from Egypt.Ann Hum Genet. 68(Pt 1):23-39.)
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle Nice little speech but I'm afraid another straw man, you see Ethiopians have been mixing with the back flow of Dravidian Indians for the last 30,000 years, this is why Ethiopians and Somalids look different to all other Africans today. So even if Southern Egyptians were originally from Ethiopia it still means that they are very unlikely to be Negroid. Look this argument has been won already why do you think you crazy mutha fuckas moved on to the Olmecs????
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Lol, Dravidian Indians have nothing to do with this. Keep your opinion divisions to yourself and state a source that says " Ethiopians and Somalids look different to all other Africans today"
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@Bsmurfdizzle A SOURCE?!?!?!?!?!?!? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Simply search Somalia women on YouTube... HA HA HA HA HA What bullshit! Man Bsmurfdizzle I admit that your side of this debate as not got very firm foundations to start off with but you always seem to put your foot in it. Can I ask you a straight question? How do you thing native West Africans feel when Afro-Yanks like you shun your own actual culture in Favour of Egypt?
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a You are babbling nonsense, Ethiopians are black Sub-Sahara Africans like all Africans.Some horn Africans have been Adxmix with arabs and euros wouldn't that make them "other " by westernize racial criteria. Not Ethiopian or Somalian. Post me a scientific source that proof pure Ethiopian or Somalian aren't Sub-Sahra Africans like the other Africans and are different.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a Every African are decedents of central south Africans. That's where we came from.
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@greeny202a Studies of crania from southern predynastic Egypt, from the formative period (4000-3100 B.C.), show them usually to be more similar to the crania of ancient Nubians, Kushites, Saharans, or modern groups from the Horn of Africa than to those of dynastic northern Egyptians or ancient or modern southern Europeans. -con-
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a -con- " (S. O. Y and A.J. Boyce, "The Geographical Origins and Population Relationships of Early Ancient Egyptians", in Egypt in Africa, Theodore Celenko (ed), Indiana University Press, 1996, pp. 20-33).
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle SMH........ The argument is not where you all descend from it is who was first and I'm sorry but you only need to look at the m130 marker to see that as little as 70,000 years ago Negroids and capoids did not exist, ALL Africans were of the older more generic type of human we see in the San. Modern Africans are just as different from this original human model then Asians or Europeans are. MODERN AFRICANS ARE NOT THE SAME AS AFRICANS 50,000 YEARS AGO!!!!!!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a What does m130 have to do with anything ? Stay on topic fool.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle LOL well if you had any intelligence you would know the significance of M130. Let me ask you something dizzle what is the exact reason why the Negroids began to get darker skins about 40,000 years ago? Do you even know?
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Are you retarded? You have no fucking argument. African linage L1 is over 30'000 years old as well as " l1" which you placed on "Negroids" so now what they weren't dark then like we are now? Lolololol. What the fuck does M130 have to do anything it broke off into a different linage in Asia 50'000 years ago.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle Oh dizzle, dizzle, dizzle you are such a racist afrocentric idiot. Watch this video on YouTube "com/watch?v=uCrQauP8fnI" Its called the incredible human journey, Europe, episode 1. and is presented by Dr Alice Roberts who is one of the most respect scientists in her field. Jump to about 7:00 and they make a re-construction of the face of the African Migrators 50,000 years ago and listen to how they describe the face. When we left Africa the Negroids had not developed yet!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Lol, I know the video. What is your point. What does m130 have to do with Modern Humans civilization ? You're just swaying off topic.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle Thats exactly the point 50,000 years ago Africans were not as black as the Negroids today they were more likely the same as the San today! The m130 marker only appeared in the East African migrators so we know they were not Negroid then and we know the ice age only ended 10,000 years ago so there would have been no mixing of Negroids into North Africa before that. So basically even if Egyptians did come from the south we simply do not know whether they were as dark as today. :)
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Lol, you are trying your best but failing :) The Linage of Africa Wheather it's l2, l3 comes from a bantu woman L1 is the root of l2 , l3 these branches broke off into their own lil groups but they are still African. If you want to call em "Sub- Negroid " be my guess . Your m130 means nothing to this argument it only proofs what I said days ago on this post some East Africans are mixed and some aren't.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
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@greeny202a "During an excavation headed by the German Institute for Archaeology, Cairo, at the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt, three types of tissues from different mummies were sampled to compare 13 well known rehydration methods for mummified tissue with three newly developed methods. .. Skin sections showed particularly good tissue preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. -con-
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a con -Although much of the epidermis had already separated from the dermis, the remaining epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1). The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin."
--(A-M Mekota and M Vermehren. (2005) Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues. Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, Vol. 80, No. 1, Pages 7-13
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a Seems by that test they were pretty dark like "negroids" :D any questions.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle No she was not a bantu woman. She was of course darker than Europeans but she was by no means Bantu. And yes we may finally be able to agree on something I will admit they were African but certainly not as you put it Bantu! You have to understand that modern black Africans are a modern phenotype just like the Asians and the Europeans. If you want to call them African then be mu guest but Negroid or Bantu NO!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Oh, wait you called L1 negroid a few days ago. You should scroll down. So we are tossing this negroid term now? Oh what are the modern black Africans modern phenotype then ? If they're not l1 or l2 or l3 what are they?
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle L1 is the ancestor of the Negroids and not the ancestor of the Capoids do you not understand that yet. You dont think that the two groups spent 150,000 years as more generic San group then 120,000 years ago split into two and one immediately became Negroid overnight do you??? The split of the L1 and L2 according to geneticists was between 120 and 175,000 ya and the first time we find the modern Negroid phenotype is 40,000 ya now when in between these two dates (cont).
greeny202a 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle (cont) you became as you are today we may never know because we can only trace markers when you mix with something else and that happened 50,000 ya when the Bantu began repopullating East Africa. Can i ask you a question though dizzle and please answer honestly - Why is it so upsetting for you to even consider that you're people were not always Negroid?
greeny202a 2 months ago
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@greeny202a You ever consider invasions and intermarriage is a reason why some Horn Africans look different from other Africans ? Notice I said "Some." Not all look look like a stereotypical Horn African.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plandescribed by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and -con-
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
-con- Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations." (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a anthropologist no longer classify "races" by phenotypes any longer. Classification like Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid are no longer used in anthropology.
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@Bsmurfdizzle No but in Genetics there is a new use for the woed to desceibe the first group of Africans to split from the Original San ancestors..... the L1 Group or as i call them NEGROIDS
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a Hmmhmm , What makes them l1 l2, l3 ,l4 all come from the same linage all are found in Sub-Sahra. Every African decedents from central south Africans .Ethiopian or Somalian Can you prove how these Africans are significantly different from others that you divide them ?
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a African Americans are not limited to West Africa in ancestry, hence 'African' Americans..
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a "There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas."
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a Pleeease come ready.lol
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a Who did the testing. Who was the dna taken from, which mummies they tested, or group of people ? lol, answer
Bsmurfdizzle 2 months ago
@greeny202a Yep, I know all the relationship Britain had with Africa. Stealing, exploiting, destroying Africaness. You are the worst race of White people, there is! Blue-eyed devils! That's why you are on average uglier than other Europeans too, paler, more freckly, pinched nasal features like rats, and ugly squirrel-like teeth. Go catch a tan if you can, idiotic redneck! Stay in your island! As the French say!
amasonga 2 months ago
@amasonga (cont) AFRICA AS THOUGH IT WAS ONE GROUP OF UNITED PEOPLE!!! West Africans had NOTHING to do with East and South Africans and vice versa!!! Some tribes even today still live the simple hunter gatherer life style that has not been seen in Europe for about 12,000 years!!!!!!!
greeny202a 2 months ago
@greeny202a The Africanist replies. The fact that indigenous "pure" Americans do not possess any significant DNA of modern "Africanoid" source, doesn't mean that they were not at one time visited by African people. I'm from one purest Central African ancestry, that doesn't mean Europeans never came as visitors to my ancestral village! Visitors don't always mingle with the people they meet. Are you OK?
amasonga 2 months ago
The Africanist answers. By your writing and your analysis, I can imply that you have something against Africans, in particular African-Americans perhaps because your ancestors were slave-owners, culprits, torturers of Black people in America or you're simply a disturbed racist nut!! Just to let you know that the 400 years of slavery, racism, segregation, de-humanizing, torturing didn't the break the will of those Africans, and they still stand proud today! I'm 100% African!!!!!
amasonga 2 months ago
@adeamujale (2) 2091 BC HA HA HA Are you aware that where I am sitting writing to you now is about 250 yards away from a celtic stone circle that was erected by my ancestors at least 2000 years before your colossal heads were carved?
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@greeny202a: 2091 BC HA HA HA Are you aware that where I am sitting writing to you now is about 250 yards away from a celtic stone circle that was erected by my ancestors at least 2000 years before your colossal heads were carved?
Wow! Awesome!
adeamujale 4 months ago
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@adeamujale (cont) you as a Nigerian and someone from Ethiopia than there is between a European and a Japanese because all non-Africans come from the same East African source where as North and west Africans do not. This is why every race of non-African alive today shares 4-5% neanderthal DNA and you of course do not because it was the migrating group of San that interbred with Neanderthal and passed the genes on to all their descendents.
greeny202a 4 months ago
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Alright let me ask you this, where does mankind originate from?
adeamujale 4 months ago
Nigeria doesnt need to engineer a glorious past because history speaks for itself; and that the bottom line; i've come accross someone who suggested that history is written by the side who wins a war/battle/conflict e.t.c Well that is the most obsurd thing i've heard in recent times, history is not decided by anybody, it is detached from corruption, the truth always outs in the end.
Do me a favour, go and learn about your own history first before trying to define elsewhere.
adeamujale 4 months ago
Its no wonder the first President of the U.S.A was a moor.
adeamujale 4 months ago
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According to my grandmother, all of humanity originated not in Cairo nor Addis Abbaba but in Ile Ife. And recent findings have fell short of proving this beyond resonable doubt but more importantly have been able to simultaneously debunk the notion that the ancient city of Ife couldnt have existed in the paleolithic era.
Giving rise to the debate that concludes that Africans where traveling to an fro the Americas prior to Colombus's expedition. depicted in the video "They came before Colombus"
adeamujale 4 months ago
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In short, this describes a civilization known as the "Olmec" that inhabited the Americas during the Archaic periods.
There is no getting away from these facts as they come with proof in the form of various monuments simply known as the "Collossal Heads" as they are towering statues of a black warriors (20-40 ton of bassalt rock) in full battle regalia; carbon dating setting the earliest as 2091BC.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: What do you know about earth sciences?
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@greeny202a: The earliest dates we have for this region are from La Venta 1200 to 1500 B.C! Who does the we refer to in this sentence?
adeamujale 4 months ago
In short, this describes a civilization known as the "Olmec" that inhabited the Americas during the Aramaic period (dating 700–300 BCE). They are now known as the first black Americans.
There is no getting away from these facts as they come with proof in the form of various monuments simply known as the "Collossal Heads" as they are towering statues of a black warriors (20-40 ton of bassalt rock) in full battle regalia; carbon dating setting the earliest as 2091BC.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale *SIGH* I agree with you about Africa and its people but this crazy idea of Africans sailing across the Atlantic is ludicrous and quite frankly you show your level of education when you say that. There are so many ways i can destroy this "African Olmec" idea but first i simply have to point out YOU CANNOT CARBON DATE A FUCKING STONE HEAD THERE IS NO CARBON IN IT!!!! The earliest dates we have for this region are from La Venta 1200 to 1500 B.C! (cont)
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@greeny202: YOU CANNOT CARBON DATE A F******G STONE HEAD THERE IS NO CARBON IN IT!!!!
What constitutes Bassalt Rock?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) besides this of course there has been very thorough DNA testing of all Native American tribes and in all the tests they have found 0% African DNA in the Americas prior to slavery. Frankly if Africans had landed in the Americas 3000 years ago then the Native Americans would have developed some immunity to the old world diseases but what happened when Europeans landed 500 years ago? Half the population died from Smallpox! WEST AFRICANS NEVER SAILED ACROSS THE ATLANTIC!
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Do you even have a clue what i'm talking about here? Do you? Have you heard of the Olmec civilisation? If you cannot answer these basic questions, then it is end of discussion. Because frankly i'm saying one thing are you are on about something completely different.
When i say pre- Colomubus; i mean the archaic period, where the native Americans present during the Egyptian dynasties?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale This is the problem with Afrocentrics you simply have no grasp of timelines! The Olmecs were a Meso-American civilsation beginning in Mexico about 1500 BC forming from the indigenous population that entered the Americas from Asia via the Bering straight about 12,000 years ago! The oldest signs of human activity in the Americas has only been dated to 13,000 years! THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR 1492! The idea is ridiculous!
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a:Ofcourse i'm Afrocentric; its you that thinks its a bad thing because you dont know what it means or symbolises. The Olmec civilisation were black! This is the whole point. These are scientific findings, again go and do your homework. All recent evidence points towards the FACTS that the OLMEC were direct African descendants.
The "Collossal Heads" that i mentioned earlier; these have gone through scientific scrutiny and the team of acheaologist came to this same conclusion.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale Man you are now sounding like a buffoon! The research you are talking about has been thoroughly debunked now! The Olmecs were a direct descendant of the original Asian migrators! Im sorry my deluded African friend but since we mapped the human genome these silly fantasy stories can no longer be thrown around like in the 80's. THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR TO 1492! Actually there is no evidence that West Africans ever left West Africa never mind sailing the Atlantic!
greeny202a 4 months ago
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@greeny202a:I see you keep saying we; who is the we you refer to?
The Olmec civilisation were black! This is the whole point. These are scientific findings, again go and do your homework. All recent evidence points towards the FACTS that the OLMEC were direct African descendants.
The proof is overwhelming, i dont need to prove anything to you by the way. So you can keeping living in your delusional bubble thats your cup of tea.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Again if you need to know more, go and earn the right to; apply for a space to study geology in my local University. If you possess the correct grades and are lucky enough to be accepted then you'll get taught how things really are and not the delusions you carry in your head.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a:West Africa? Who is talking about West Africa? Because i'm talking about a country not a region of countries. Now for the last time, where are you from? If you cannot answer that then the discussion has ended and i'll apreciate if you do not but into my post since you do not have the nerve to reveal yourself.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: I'm pretty much certain that you are not Nigerian, so where are you from and why do you think you are an authority on this issue i just raised? First you are an authority on Egypt; then you are an authority on Ife; then suddenly you are an authority on Mexico!? Now do you see the problem?
You have just revealed that not only are you a fraud as i've been saying all along but that you are a trouble maker too. Arguing blindly on issues you seem to know nothing about.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale You are correct in one respect im not Nigerian I am English and I dont claim to be an expert on any of the subjects you mentioned but I do stay up to date wit all the current accepted theories on ancient cultures and by accepted I mean peer reviewed, researched and demonstrable scientific theory! You see I have a lot of respect for African culture but only its TRUE culture and not the drivel served up by the crazy American Afrocentrics! Seriously you are insulting a whole (cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a You dont claim to be an expert on any of the subjects mentioned? then what is the argument about? Do you just like whinning people up. Because frankly if you find this funny, then you are very sad. What we have here is a very serious case that has gone through expert scrutiny and second opinion and you are not an expert on history, geology, geophysics, archeology or anthropology yet you argue vigourously on matters that i assume you've picked up out of a journal or newspaper article.
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) continent full of people by claiming the Olmecs were Africans. It was one of the greatest achievements in history when the Native Americans invented civilisation independently of the Old World and along come the Africans trying to steal that great honour away from them! Explain something to me - Why are the West Africans so intent on trying to engineer a glorious past for themselves? Why can they not just be happy with who they actually are?
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a :Say what? For the last time, i'm talking about Nigeria, not West Africa, not East Africa or anywhere else for that matter. I've told you before, and i'll repeat it again YoU need help!!! What do you know about African culture? Now i'm vexed now.... Answer immediately!
adeamujale 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a : How can you respect African culture when you dont have the foggiest clue what its all about? What do you know about African culture?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Run along and go and find somone else to wind-up
adeamujale 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
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@adeamujale This is the problem with Afrocentrics you simply have no grasp of timelines! The Olmecs were a Meso-American civilsation beginning in Mexico about 1500 BC forming from the indigenous population that entered the Americas from Asia via the Bering straight about 12,000 years ago! The oldest signs of human activity in the Americas has only been dated to 13,000 years! THERE WERE NO AFRICANS IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR 1492! The idea is ridiculous!
greeny202a 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago
@greeny202a: Have you ever heard of the Olmec civilization? Where the native Americans present during the Egyptian dynasties? Do you know when the archaic period was?
adeamujale 4 months ago
According to my grandmother , all of humanity originated not in Cairo nor Addis Abbaba but in Ile Ife. And recent findings have fell short of proving this beyond resonable doubt but more importantly have been able to simultaneously debunk the notion that the ancient city of Ife couldnt have existed in the paleolithic era.
Giving rise to the debate that concludes that Africans where traveling to an fro the Americas prior to Colombus's expedition. depicted in the video "They came before Colombus"
adeamujale 4 months ago
Now about the video that you claim is nonsense, expanciate. Or are you one of those that says anything that is not in the oxford dictionary is nonsense? I'm assuming the answer to that is yes, however what you discard as being nonsensense is actualy a concensus of opinion from scholars ans geophysics experts. What is your discipline? Do you have one? How have you come to such conclusion. Explaination pls. Is there one?
adeamujale 4 months ago
@adeamujale You would be advised to actually read my comments correctly before jumping astride you high horse and claiming some kind if sociological high ground! I did NOT say this video was nonsense I said the guy I was responding to was full of nonsense I watched this video to see some West African art and was confronted by a collection of comments from Afrocentric idiots trying to link this video with Ancient Egypt! Feel free to look back at the discussions! now as for YOU.... (eagerly cont)
greeny202a 4 months ago
@adeamujale (cont) Listen you self obsessed, pretentious prick! The only person here showing any kind of "racism" is you when you assume that i know nothing about Africa simply because I want to distance West Africa from East Africa!!!!! This "consensus of opinion" you claim seems to be a figment of your imagination please explain what conclusion of mine you wish me to clarify and then explain where you get the information on your position.
greeny202a 4 months ago
@greeny202a(cont)Ha! Self obsessed, pretentious prick!? Stop talking to yourself; you could get locked up for less.
Here we go again! Are you even reading my response?
I'm sorry but if you have read my previous post you would see that i gave you the hints already, you do not know jack about the great continent, if you want to why not try to go and study in one of her great Universities. Sometimes you need to actual pay to learn a thing or two just like the rest of us.
adeamujale 4 months ago
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adeamujale 4 months ago