Hardball: DHS Report On Right-Wing Extremists (HQ)

[snowfallzz]

I think that the fact I have to use a scanner and my kids get patted down at the airport like criminals and 5yr old kids can be put on a no-fly list and their putting in a bill to put metal detectors in malls with x-ray bags/purse scans now..wtf is that? are you telling me that someone who's out for no good is gonna stop at the detector and be like..whoa..when did they put this in? LOL. ppl need to worry more about home invasions from crackheads. this is about control and stopping a rebellion.

[bigtexansfan]

Heidi Harris is nothing more than a bootlicking right-wing fucktard.

[SOF2700]

AIR(HEAD) AMERICA! What a joke!!!

[SOF2700]

That reporter is a typical LEFT WING asshole! What are you supposed to do when someone breaks into your house, prick??? Yell out loud "Help! Police!!!"????

[Lindenshade]

Protesting is NOT VIOLENT!!! IT IS A RIGHT. when are people going to get this- after we shoot, incarcerate and maybe even kill protesters in our own country?

Right or Left, the spectrum of politics is more 3D than that! Such ignorance, its truly sad.

[Lindenshade]

Protesting is NOT VIOLENT!!! IT IS A RIGHT. when are people going to get this- after we shoot, incarcerate and maybe even kill protesters in our own country?

Right or Left, the spectrum of politics is more 3D than that! Such ignorance, its truly sad.

[Lindenshade]

Politics have a spectrum. No one view is the same. This is all ignorant.

[arealconservative]

Harris is a MAN, baby.

Look at that twisted face.

Poor thing is so stupid it doesn't even know which sex it is. Someone tell it.

[smawigas]

I think the point of this report is thus: more right wingers are gun nuts than not. Whereas "leftists" will hang a sign on a building, or have a sit in, or have a protest parade- "wingers" use guns and violence.

[prooc]

@smawigas Yeah because communists and anarchists are sure peacfull, lol. Left wing protesters are the most crazy and violent out there.

[smawigas]

...also I love how she giggles at the report of the "lone wolf" republican who went on a shooting spree.

[smawigas]

Does everyone understand that Heidi's job, along with Rush and all the others, is to sell tickets? She does not have a future(nor does the radio station) if she does not get people angry. It is a predetermined format (like 3's Company) that has a hook for those lacking critical thinking.  Spend three hours telling folks WHY they should be mad, then spend three hours educating people and demanding that they think for themselves and you see which one gets the ad dollars.

[steve0281]

Gee! it sounds like DHS is targeting Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin as "right wing extremists."

[Smartassawhip]

Considering the fact that they haven't stopped throwing a fit since he was elected I would say they are definitely upset because they lost control of the country. I also feel that had Obama been white they would not be acting the way they are.

[steve0281]

If you think that the DHS was founded by the "right" you are seriously mistaken. Obama, who is admittedly to the left of Hugo Chavez (he said so himself) has been following Bush's domestic policy right down the line. Bush is every bit as much a statist as Obama is. He was hardly on the "right."

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

I have no idea what you might be saying here. The DHS was founded during the Bush Admin November 25, 2002, headed by Tom Ridge, one of the biggest Bush apologists ever.

You think that Obama is following Bush's Domestic Policy? Interesting. If so, why are the idiots Tea-Bagging even though they are paying less taxes than under Junior?

But the idea that Obama is to the left of Chavez is insane insipid idiocy. Obama is, disappointingly, a Moderate... much like Clinton.

[steve0281]

You are making the mistake of assuming Bush is on the "right" just because he had an "R" next to his name. I lament the establishment of the DHS no matter who established it.

I'm middle class and my taxes went up. My 8 yo daughter's taxes went up for the rest of her life.

Bush inititated the bailout. Obama expanded it. Bush passed the Patriot Act. Obama wants to increase domestic spying on everyone, not just terror suspects.

Chavez seems to disagree with you.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

Your 8 year old's taxes went up because of Bush's Trillion dollars in War Cost/Profiteering and borrowing from the Chinese.

I'm curious if that bothered you over the last 8 years of the PNAC Mission Statement taking effect?

As for being "Right." I don't assume anything. I look at policies and actions. And Junior spent like a drunken sailor.

[steve0281]

You are absolutely right and Obama has been piling on top of that with a steam shovel.

Do not confuse me with a supporter of Bush just because I question Obama. There are more than just two roads (which are actually just one, btw).

And yes, I have been bothered by politics for the bulk of my life, not just the past eight years.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

The Neo Breed of Republicans have quite a bit to do with the Faux Free Market horsecrap that the Libertarians/Objectivists tout.

They like those policies because they are hands-off the Corps. And Junior's Supreme Court agrees.

First you say that Obama admitted that he was to the Left of Chavez... and now you're saying Chavez thinks this.

Either put up of STFU... or all I can assume is you're either a sorely misinformed guy (Like MOST FOX viewers), or a guy that gets 25¢ a post.

[steve0281]

Bush was the most regulatory president in history. Businesses love government intervention. Look who is standing with their hands out. If you think that either of those ideas are congruent with a free market your grasp of basic terms in economics, nay, english leaves much to be desired.

As for the Obama comment; I erred in the construction of my original sentence. I assume that that has happened to many, maybe even yourself.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281 said: "Bush was the most regulatory president in history."

That is patently absurd.

"If you think that either of those ideas are congruent with a free market your grasp of basic terms in economics, nay, english leaves much to be desired."

"Nay, English..." WTF does that mean? Nice syntax, Mr. English.

And speaking of a lack of economic understanding... jeezus...

The Libertarians and the Ayn Randians are constantly shouting about wanting a Completely Free Market. Not true?

[steve0281]

That is an argument from personal incredulity. I am sending you the link where the information is available. Bush II out regulated all other presidents.

It means that you are either ignorant of economics, english, or both. BTW, I'm Irish. And I'm fluent in three languages.

I will let my economics professor know that, according to you, I am ignorant of the field. Perhaps I should return my A?

Yes, we do support a free market. And you support fascism. Your point?

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

No offense Steve but I don't care if you are fluent in three languages - one of them certainly in NOT economics.

And I'm sorry you think of yourself as being Personally Incredulous.

Your obtuseness is apparent here.

I assume you know that Fascism is the "marriage" of Corp & State. Bush removed many obstacles for the Mega Corps. Clinton did his share too by letting McCain's Anti Regulation boy (Gramm) replace the Glass-Steagall Act with Banks having the ability to act as Casinos.

[steve0281]

Nor is one of yours English apparently. Not to worry; we all have our weak areas, such as yours being logic as well as English. That is why I sent you the link so you could read all about it yourself so you wouldn't have to take my word for it. I do my best to document my positions. I am not always successful, but who is?

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

So what was it? My syntax? My basic Grammar skills. I'm curious.

[steve0281]

For starters I sent you a piece consisting mainly of data validating my claims that you dismissed as mere "opinion" that you don't happen to agree with. That was the equivalent of my directing you to a math book that posited that 2+2=4 and you dismissing THAT as "opinion" that you don't happen to agree with.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

I read it... and so did D&P. He researched it to prove it was specious nonsense. He already responded to you about it. So stop the faux indignance and pseudo-superiority.

As someone with your vast knowledge and schooling, you should know that some "Numbers" are bullshit.

Stats can be used to prove virtually any person's agenda... and the Right-Wing Think Tanks work 24/7 to try and prove their non-linear and constantly failing self-centered agenda works.

[steve0281]

I read it as well. I received no such response from the host.

I am a bit perplexed. In one sentence you accuse me of a "pseudo-superiority" and then credit me with "vast knowledge and schooling" in the next.

You are correct on the numbers. However, stating that there are X number of tons of something is not something that can be readily manipulated for effect.

I stand by my assertion that GWB was the most regulatory president.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

You may be using a very different idea of the term, "regulation," than I commonly read and hear. Please define.

As for the "link." Please post it here so i can see it. Please don't send it to my email.

And as for my usage of the sentence "vast knowledge and schooling..." I concede to sarcasm. No offense.

[steve0281]

I mean the term "regulation" in the normal dictionary sense of the word. I just apply it correctly. You only apply it toward BIG business. I am applying it to all businesses. ALL businesses love regulation on the other guy. They love getting favors from government in the form of their competitors being hamstrung by regulations. You have obviously seen this in action. You just don't realize what it is that you are seeing.

[dawgnpony]

Oh steve-O, where did you pose a question to me that I didn't respond to?  You're not starting up that Obama claimed to be left of Chavez crap again are you?

With all your rants about taxes, unless you have specific earnings that are generated within the U.S., you are not paying U.S. taxes on those earnings where you currently reside. Your comments are ripe with misinformation, contradictions and supposition. Unless you direct me to an unanswered question, I can add lies to the that list.

[steve0281]

I posed no question. L said that she had forward something to you that I sent her and that you responded to me about it. I received no comment from you about anything other than your request to not send emails to you.

No. And I clarified that.

All my earnings are generated in the US. I pay taxes on them.

My comments are all accurate. They may be uncomfortable for you to take, but that is not my problem.

[dawgnpony]

steve-O, Leesagrrl or "L", made no claim regarding sending me anything. You clarified nothing. What you did do was make a false comment and when challenged, you proceeded to weasel out afterwards by claiming that it was poorly phrased.

You also claimed to be Irish, which is not the same as being of Irish ancestry.

I encourage others on this thread to read all your comments and they will come to same conclusion that you consistently twist facts to support your poorly conceived flapdoodle.

[steve0281]

Check her posting marked three days ago. Now, you either didn't read that or you are lying. She either sent it, or she is lying. Either way one of you is a liar. Now, are you going to own up to it, or are you going to hold her feet to the fire?

I erred. I am human. I have done it previously and undoubtedly I will do it again. I clarified my miscommunication. Are you telling me that you are any different?

Am I a Cherokee?

I am much more consistent than thou.

[dawgnpony]

You had claimed to be Irish... now you claim to be a Cherokee... lol. What I think is that you are Sybil.

I read what leesagrl wrote but can't attest to what she was referring to and that you erroneously claimed that I never responded to.

Yes I am very different than "thou" in that I don't make claims and then try to weasel out later. Perhaps you should think things through before flapping your fingers.

[steve0281]

I get it. You are deliberately trying to misunderstand. I find that quite a common trait of the intolerant.

You never responded to what I sent her. If you claim to have done so I either didn't get it, or you are lying. I know it didn't get to my inbox. However, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. You are, indeed, very different from me.

[dawgnpony]

With you there is nothing deliberate. I understand perfectly, you are mixing up your projection with perception and when called out, claim to be misunderstood.

Now why on earth would I respond to anything you sent to leesagrrl... another sign that you have not thought your statement through. Correct, I am not an Irish Cherokee as you claim to be. Lol

[dawgnpony]

I accepted your apology and then you go another rant . Obviously you have some major issues regarding stability.

Your failure to respond to anyone that questions you and the constant projection of your own tiny thoughts leave me no alternative but to bid adieu and suggest you heed the words of Mark Twain.

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, then to open it and remove al l doubt."

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

And besides speaking of yourself in the plural (good language skills), maybe you could tell me what regulations Bush imposed on the Mega Corps?

Yea, please tell you Economics prof he did a shitty job.

[steve0281]

I've had a number of them. They are all pretty well regarded. But since they don't agree with you (where did you get your econ degree?) they are obviously lousy. All those years studying and teaching only to be told they are morons by someone who hasn't been breathing half as long as they have been teaching. Oh, the humanity!

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

I love all the Faux Indignance. Thanx for the show.

[steve0281]

I'm sorry, I did not realize I was addressing the one perfect person on the face of the planet. The rest of us mere mortals have our weak areas. Better?

It is not the regulations imposed on them that are the issue. It are those regulations put in place for them. You don't strike me as being all that dense. I am sure you can put two and two together and come to the conclusion that regulations for are as bad as regulations against.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

Thanx for the compliment. People say that all the time (blush)...

You said: "It is not the regulations imposed on them that are the issue. It are those regulations put in place for them."

I'm really curious what that means. Seems synonymous to me. Please define.

[steve0281]

You know what I am talking about. Regulations favoring some businesses automatically act as restraints on others. It is a simple concept.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

Most regulations in this country allow Bigger Businesses to Eat smaller businesses by making it almost impossible for the smaller Companies to compete.

For instance. If I, as a Independent Contractor don't show a profit in 3 years, the IRS says my job is a Hobby. If a Mega Corp doesn't show a profit for 3 years... it's just fine.

And that's how they compete against smaller Companies to put them out of business.

Simple concept.

[steve0281]

You are absolutely correct. And just when I thought you were hopeless.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281:

The remaining "Regulations" are the ones Bush didn't neuter... The ones that are left allow the Mega Corps to eat smaller businesses... and create Monopolies... etc.

We need MORE Regulations to protect the smaller Businesses... W/out them the Big money in the Mega Corps will prevail.

Bush was the Anti-Anti-Trust President.

[steve0281]

You made my argument for me.

If those regulations were not in place then smaller businesses would be able to compete.

[steve0281]

It has been proven time and time again that monopolies can exist only with government permission. With no regulation they cannot as smaller businesses will always be able to compete more effectively.

Yet again you are making my argument for me.

[leesagrrl]

steve0281 :

Clinton "deregulated" the Banking system by allowing McCain's economic honcho to replace the Glass/Steagal with the Grahm/Leech/Bliley which UNREGULATED the Banking Industry.

Clinton (who was a Social Moderate, but very CONservative Economically) bought into the whole Greenspan Fraud and allowed the Banks to act as Casinos allowing bets against bets, etc.

Bush continued this idea.

[steve0281]

Clinton asserted government control over the banking industry by forcing them to make loans that they would not otherwise normally make. This was a legacy from Carter but given teeth by Clinton. Bush did continue this which resulted in the housing meltdown. Banks were not making loans because they were deregulated. They were making them because the bankers did not want to go to jail. That is regulation.

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O wt: "BTW, I'm Irish. And I'm fluent in three languages"

Oh Irish... I see. Well wouldn't that be tree languages then?

[steve0281]

Good one! ;-)

[steve0281]

My apoligies for sending you an email. Previously Youtube would not permit posting links to the forums hence the personal message.

[dawgnpony]

Yo... Steve-O, please provide a link regarding your claim, "Obama, who is admittedly to the left of Hugo Chavez (he said so himself)". And please... not one of those some guy in a hat told another guy in a hat... links.

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O, that link you sent me stated, ""Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel [Castro], careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast."

What you wrote was Obama admitted to being left of Chavez, "he said so himself". You are all bluster and no facts... time to retract your statement.

Thanks for providing me with the link proving you wrong.

[steve0281]

To clarify: Chavez said that Obama was to the left of him. Not that Obama said it. My apologies for being unclear.

[dawgnpony]

Steve, apology accepted. Thanks for being a mench and owning up. There is an overabundance of half-wits belching bile page after page and without ever presenting a sound argument with actual documentation. I usually don't get involved with comments on the videos that I post, except on very rare occasions when no one else is asking a pertinent question... this applies to every political bent.

Thanks again.

DAP

[leesagrrl]

DAP.

It's "Mensch," not "Mench..." Sheesh...

Don't hang with too many Jews across the pond (hehe)?

And I apologize for going after Steve-O before I read this. It does take a certain kind of cojones (not a Jewish word) to fess up.

[steve0281]

Just so that I am clear; what I had originally intended to convey was that Chavez, a card carrying communist, said that Obama was to the left of him.

I admit that my syntax was less than stringent in my original posting.

[dawgnpony]

Steve wrt: "Chavez, a card carrying communist, said that Obama was to the left of him."

So if Hugo Chavez was to say that you were a pedophile, should we believe him... or take it with a grain of salt?

[steve0281]

Well, if he could cite evidence of such a thing it would perhaps be prudent to consider it.

He offered Obama's nationalizing a hefty chunk of the American automobile industry as his evidence for where Obama stands in relation to him. He was even impressed that he, Obama, went further than he, Chavez, had gone in Venezuela.

[dawgnpony]

Steve, it is hardly the first time that an American company has been bailed out. It has occurred numerous times with the auto industry and the airlines.  That is hardly convincing evidence. Given your distain for "card carrying communist" types, I really am surprised that you would build your accusation on something so flimsy as what Chavez said.

I think I'll leave it there, I was bored with the whole 'red scare" the first time around in the 1950's. Say hello to McCarthy for me. Cheers.

[steve0281]

You're right, it isn't the first time and it won't be the last and you and I will continue to foot the bill for this continuous pouring of money down the proverbial rat hole. I cannot understand why more people are not outraged by this.

As for the "red scare;" well over one hundred million people were "scared" to death by the "reds."  You can read all about it in the "Black Book of Communism" and "Death by Government." But it will only mean something if history has any value to you.

[dawgnpony]

I was referring to the red scare tactics used in the U.S. in the 1950's and which has recently been dredged up because the republicans/conservatives have nothing to offer. "Obama is a communist, a socialist, blah, blah, blah". I was called a peacenik in the '60's and I hear that word being bandied about. It is so bloody boring.

I don't recall all this hoopla about Reagan or either of the Bushmen when they raped the economy. Again, no substance only rehashed slogans and whining.

[steve0281]

You were not listening to everyone, obviously. We Libertarians were making that argument for decades. Just because you got "bored" with the accusations does not invalidate them one whit.

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O wrt: "Just because you got "bored" with the accusations does not invalidate them one whit."

The majority of the accusations made during McCarthyism were false, as they are false now making those that assert them half-"whits".

[steve0281]

Personally, if someone wants to be a communist, that is their business. I did not think the government had any right to roast people over the fire for their political beliefs. That is one reason why I object to the DHS's report on "potential terrorists." This is the new McCarthyism and this time around it is people who think like me that are the targets. I can't wait to be called before the House and give testimony! "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Libertarian Party?"

YES!

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O wrt: "This is the new McCarthyism and this time around it is people who think like me that are the targets."

Oh... are you planning on shooting a doctor? Or blow up or arson a women's health clinic? No one gives a flapdoodle over your particular political bent. Based on recent events, the DHS report turned out to be accurate and instead of taking it serious, those on the right just whimpered and moaned that they were being targeted!

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O: One last thing, you said that you are Irish... is that Irish proper or an American of Irish ancestry which is not Irish according to my Irish friends... they would say, "he's a Yank".

[steve0281]

I'm an Irish American. Do you know what the difference between Ireland and the United States? There're more Irish in the United States. Three of the largest Irish cities in the world are in the US. Dublin comes in at number five. My DNA is Irish Celtic. I don't think your friends understand that sort of thing, either that or they are racists.

[dawgnpony]

Steve-O, I really thought that you were smart enough to know that one should never presume. I'm British, a born and bred Brummie to be more precise and my sister-in-law and my Irish mates are from a variety of towns and townships of Ireland, and guess what... if you were born in the States, you're Yank. How's it going for you living in the land of the pommy, I'm sure you know what that means (POME).

[steve0281]

Me culpa. My daughter was born in North Yorkshire. She will always have the accent, I suppose.

I will grant that the US, and former colonies in the Americas as well as Oz and NZ are unique. Genetically, though, I am Irish. I'm certainly not an Apache or an Iroquois.

Life is good. I have long wanted to visit Oz once in my life and now I get to live here. And some say that there is no God! ;-)

[steve0281]

No, that is not on my list of things to do either today or the rest of my life.

How soon we have forgotten the MIAC report that profiles potential domestic terrorists as being Ron Paul supporters (guilty), have knowledge of the Constitution (guilty again), have American flags (three times now). So apparently someone does care about my paticular political bent.

[leesagrrl]

dawgnpony:

Crap... I had no idea steve0281 was a pedophile... I feel so... so... used.

[dawgnpony]

leesagrrl: Thanks for the correction... I need to upgrade my spell checker to include Yiddish. Nice to see you've returned.

Cheers and Roebuck,

DAP

[konekufpictures]

Hey steve0281, read (more info) "Mini-Bar Briefs", to the right> No... your other right>>

[Larzabeth]

The right wingers are always so afraid that their guns will be taken away under a Democratic president. Yet under whose administration were guns actually confiscated from law abiding citizens? Of course it was under president bush during Katrina. Where was the outcry from the right wing when that was going on? Did they ever cry out for the impeachment of a president who stood by and let that happen? The right wing tries to manipulate people with fear tactics. And the sheeple follow.

[leesagrrl]

Larzabeth:

I agree 100%.

You have to keep in mind that the "facts" don't mean diddley to these vapid ignorants. They will believe whatever they want to believe, and Rush the Hut, the Manatee and Bill-O the Idiot Clown will keep supplying angry misinformation that will encourage them to violence.

[Larzabeth]

That is for certain.  They are liars that manipulate people with their fear tactics.

[60DemocratsHappyDay]

A Doctor, performing legal procedures, was gunned down in his own church. Is an attempt on the President from these right wing LUNATICS that far fetched??? I DONT THINK SO!

[classicallady]

Tks dawgnpony...which reminds me the ad placed on a PA newspaper last week calling for the assassination of the President.Great vid...

[dawgnpony]

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was vehemently criticized from the 'right' for the release of this report with many calling for her firing. However, the DHS report was rather prophetic considering the recent acts of violence in Wichita and Little Rock.

[arealconservative]

Is the the same Harris that poses in soft porn pictures showing off the shape of tiny tits?

There is so much dirt on this idiot.

[BlueRidgeKat]

If you are a Christian, own a gun or you are against abortion or have been in the military you are a terrorist. So around 70% of the citizens or the United States are now potential terrorist according to the Obama admistration? Only illegal aliens will have rights at the end of this presidents term.

[konekufpictures]

Blue Ridge Kat, your reaction seems to be a wee bit extreme. I believe the report is meant to encompass the likes of Timothy McVeigh. Lastly, I would like to now the source of your "70% of the citizens", is it purely based on those that have a belief in god? That would be a very extreme extrapolation of the DHS report.

[60DemocratsHappyDay]

If you are as stupid as this comment I seriously fear for you.

[60DemocratsHappyDay]

And since you are so good at spewing hate try spewing a fact, the last bill Obama signed now allows you to take a gun into a national park, so actually you ''gun clingers'' are making more progress under Obama than any other President.