" Airbus and American Airlines agree that if he had taken his foot off the rudder pedal, the tail wouldn't have broken off..." so if the pilots should not use the rudder when they need is better airplanes dont have rudders...those pilots were heroes and trying all they can to save all onboard...they did what they learned in simulators,companys and airlines courses...now they are dead and the big companys blame then is so easy because they cannot defend theirselves...
" Airbus and American Airlines agree that if he had taken his foot off the rudder pedal, the tail wouldn't have broken off...
The pilot tried to steady the aircraft using the rudder pedals. When his initial movement failed, he tried again and again. His actions placed enormous stress on the tail."
The video shows he used excessive rudder, but Airbus sucks also!
@Pvjinflight Wrong. While I love Airbus's this was an Airbus design flaw (the rudder travelled too far,) repeated a few years later on another A300. Lukcily this time they got away with it.
@blueb0g It wasnt design flaw, pilot used rudder too agressivily because he got incorrect training, and that finally caused so hard G forces that they broke it. Rudder itself didnt go too far away, but it was too much when done repeately. Ofc using rudder like that is not possible in newer fly by wire Airbus planes.
@blueb0g If you use rudder fully from side to side on Boeing from same age tail will come off when maximum G forces that tail can stand are exceeded. Im not sure if newer ones have system that prevents using rudder too much...
@Pvjinflight Well obviously if you sit there slamming the rudders all day the tail will eventually overload, but the A300's broke off earlier than it really should (seeing as an incident such as this is at least concivable.)
@Pvjinflight The A300 was one of the few jets that did not have a system which limits authority at high airspeeds. In Boeing aircraft and I believe all the newer Airbus', you cannot fully deflect the rudder in-flight.
@thatBMWkid The A300 did have a system that limits rudder deflection at higher airspeeds. Look at the red bars next to the rudder pedal and rudder indicators in the video.
was this airbus made from freakin' Lego?! I'm no expert and not trying to be one of those annoying kids who know nothing about aviation, but you would think it had a little more to do with just "overuse of rudder". i duno.. Im no aeronautical engineer but if average wind conditions, with standard loading you would think any drastic control movement should NOT make a multi million dollar piece of machinery break apart.
Before any of u idiots say it was mechanical failure, it is NOT mechanical failure, it was caused by overuse of the rudder which caused it to stress out which tore the vertical stabalizer apart and the plane spiraled out of the control and crashed killing all onboard.
@AndyMcArren1356 Overuse or not, it is both pilot and ENGINEERING failure! if an aircraft can't stand harsh rudder inputs under climbing velocity, I have to question the strength and safety of the aircraft!
also it wasn't just a rudder failure.. it was a complete disempengement of the vertical stabilizer if not including or directly effecting the horizontal stabilizer.. the pilots did their job, the air craft didn't
Six months after the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in Queens, New York, Mohammed Mansour Jabarah agreed to cooperate with American authorities in exchange for a reduced sentence. He stated that fellow Canadian Abderraouf Jdey had been responsible for the flight's destruction, using a shoe bomb similar to that found on Reid several months earlier. Jabarah was a known colleague of Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, and stated that both Reid and Jdey had been enlisted by the al-Qaeda chief .
It was a Airbus A300
ikolkyo967 4 months ago
Incredible ! O_O
deepblue1980 5 months ago
Software error. Should not be able to apply inputs that exceed aerodynamic limits of the aeroplane.
oracle2world 8 months ago
@oracle2world Well you could do that with most older jets, with newer Airbus and also probably Boeing aircrafts this wouldnt have happened.
Pvjinflight 6 months ago
@Pvjinflight - probably not. The software geeks know they f*ed up, and thank God they are not getting dinged for this one.
oracle2world 6 months ago
It should be better graphics.
mtsmario97 1 year ago
" Airbus and American Airlines agree that if he had taken his foot off the rudder pedal, the tail wouldn't have broken off..." so if the pilots should not use the rudder when they need is better airplanes dont have rudders...those pilots were heroes and trying all they can to save all onboard...they did what they learned in simulators,companys and airlines courses...now they are dead and the big companys blame then is so easy because they cannot defend theirselves...
MrElSatan 1 year ago
" Airbus and American Airlines agree that if he had taken his foot off the rudder pedal, the tail wouldn't have broken off...
The pilot tried to steady the aircraft using the rudder pedals. When his initial movement failed, he tried again and again. His actions placed enormous stress on the tail."
The video shows he used excessive rudder, but Airbus sucks also!
StratMatt777 1 year ago
@StratMatt777 Boeing would crashed too in same situation.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight Wrong. While I love Airbus's this was an Airbus design flaw (the rudder travelled too far,) repeated a few years later on another A300. Lukcily this time they got away with it.
blueb0g 1 year ago
@blueb0g It wasnt design flaw, pilot used rudder too agressivily because he got incorrect training, and that finally caused so hard G forces that they broke it. Rudder itself didnt go too far away, but it was too much when done repeately. Ofc using rudder like that is not possible in newer fly by wire Airbus planes.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight Wrong again. Air Canada A320 pilots almost did the same thing to an A319 last year.
blueb0g 1 year ago
@blueb0g Give me source of that information. Anyway its pilots fault if he uses rudder wrong, not airplanes fault.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@blueb0g And cause of this accident was officially proved to be pilot error caused by false training.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight I don't dispute that at all. My point was simply that if you do the same thing to a Boeing, the tail will not come off.
blueb0g 1 year ago
@blueb0g If you use rudder fully from side to side on Boeing from same age tail will come off when maximum G forces that tail can stand are exceeded. Im not sure if newer ones have system that prevents using rudder too much...
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight Well obviously if you sit there slamming the rudders all day the tail will eventually overload, but the A300's broke off earlier than it really should (seeing as an incident such as this is at least concivable.)
blueb0g 1 year ago
@blueb0g Anyway as long as pilot flies plane properly there is no danger of rudder breaking off.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
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blueb0g 1 year ago
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@Pvjinflight Agreed. However, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be designed against - I'm sure you agree.
blueb0g 1 year ago
@Pvjinflight The A300 was one of the few jets that did not have a system which limits authority at high airspeeds. In Boeing aircraft and I believe all the newer Airbus', you cannot fully deflect the rudder in-flight.
thatBMWkid 11 months ago
@thatBMWkid Yeah, I think so too. But still incorrect training was cause of this accident as they were told to use rudder like that.
Pvjinflight 11 months ago
@thatBMWkid The A300 did have a system that limits rudder deflection at higher airspeeds. Look at the red bars next to the rudder pedal and rudder indicators in the video.
Ultraman221 2 months ago
was this airbus made from freakin' Lego?! I'm no expert and not trying to be one of those annoying kids who know nothing about aviation, but you would think it had a little more to do with just "overuse of rudder". i duno.. Im no aeronautical engineer but if average wind conditions, with standard loading you would think any drastic control movement should NOT make a multi million dollar piece of machinery break apart.
beatchildproductions 1 year ago
@beatchildproductions If you use rudder like that in boeing same thing will happen, commercial jets are not designed for that kind of forces
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
Before any of u idiots say it was mechanical failure, it is NOT mechanical failure, it was caused by overuse of the rudder which caused it to stress out which tore the vertical stabalizer apart and the plane spiraled out of the control and crashed killing all onboard.
AndyMcArren1356 2 years ago 3
@AndyMcArren1356 Overuse or not, it is both pilot and ENGINEERING failure! if an aircraft can't stand harsh rudder inputs under climbing velocity, I have to question the strength and safety of the aircraft!
EasternMerchant 1 year ago
also it wasn't just a rudder failure.. it was a complete disempengement of the vertical stabilizer if not including or directly effecting the horizontal stabilizer.. the pilots did their job, the air craft didn't
reddn 2 years ago
Look up the wiki article on this before you post. It was too much rudder imput putting strains on the rudder far exceeding design limits.
Thus, it broke off.
kazzsaru 2 years ago
what program is this?
767deltaairlines 2 years ago
i thought the report said that the pilots overstressed the vertical stabilizer while trying to keep the plane pointed in the right direction right?
1Gaumer 2 years ago 12
@1Gaumer right. this pilot was a frikken douchebag.
plasticspastic201 6 months ago
Respond to this airbus shitvideo...
plasticspastic201 6 months ago
y didnt he call out 80 knts?
poopsyproductions 2 years ago
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Six months after the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in Queens, New York, Mohammed Mansour Jabarah agreed to cooperate with American authorities in exchange for a reduced sentence. He stated that fellow Canadian Abderraouf Jdey had been responsible for the flight's destruction, using a shoe bomb similar to that found on Reid several months earlier. Jabarah was a known colleague of Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, and stated that both Reid and Jdey had been enlisted by the al-Qaeda chief .
ed11561 3 years ago
Why did the DFDR data end so much sooner than the CVR?
bfdpowers 3 years ago
the plane spun up,IRS couldnt get the planes attitude
ScaredPilot 3 years ago
they are two different units located in two different places.. depending on the model of which they use
reddn 2 years ago
587 was indeed an A300 which AA uses mostly on flights to the Caribbean.
AGL727 3 years ago 2
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is this a game??? or a real simulator?
humbertoniebla 3 years ago
NTSB investgation report
ScaredPilot 3 years ago
his right!!!
ruskiytank5 4 years ago
American 587 was not a Boeing aircraft. It was an Airbus A300.
rampman28 4 years ago 23
@rampman28 ya i wish people know what there talking obout first before they think there pro's
gbriff 1 year ago
@rampman28 I AGREE
Skybolter 4 months ago