If your looking for an escape to not give - Then don't give !! Just give what's in heart and what you can afford so you don't look back and wish you never gave . It's ok just keep it simple young lady God will provide what you need in life, because he'll know it's from heart not from your mind . God bless
(continued again)Just a side note the building costs the electricity the heat and air and the water for the rest rooms. You see my old life is dead I have been given a new life by the power of the Holy Spirit. I have been blessed beyond anything I could have ever imagined. Jesus has given me everything I have and I pray that one day through the power of Christ with the Holy Spirit one day I can give him all I have..
(continued 1mike2sanchez). I hated my life. But then a small glimpse of hope came in the way of Jesus. I realized one day that if I trusted Christ with my salvation then why not with my finances. I started to tithe and many miracles started to happen. Now not because of my tithe but because of the heart condition it was given with. No words can change you view on tithe and offering. But I hope you pray to Jesus for guidance in your finances. I also hope you go to church because that is biblical
Do you believe in Jesus Christ? You are not required to pay tithe and offering. It is a heart condition. You see I used to look for every excuse to avoid to have to give my money to the church. I believed that that's all they wanted from me. I hit rock bottom, I became homeless and ran far away from God. Many people reached out to me because of there love for Christ. But not until I tried everything and I mean everything to get out of the situation myself did I find myself hopeless. I hated my
Good question! NOWHERE in the Old or New Testaments was anyone ever instructed to tithe money! God instructed the nation of Israel to tithe FOOD ITEMS not money. We are no more obligated to tithe under the New testament covenant than we are to make animal sacrifices. Tithing money did not start until 4th century AD by the apostate church; it's a legalistic doctrine that has crept into the actual church. The fact that people talk about tithing in terms of money shows how great the deception is!
kill the music in the background girl.........that shit kills your video!!! love your questions, i have asked them to christians and ministers and they hate it !!! Specially the leaders, it fucks up their easy job cash!!!!
FYI: tithes was meant for the ancient Jews, not the church. its a practice of the ancient LAW, not the new grace of god
what people seem to misunderstand about tithing is that it was not for everyone to do. and money was not used for tithing...food, produce, fruit, cattle, etc. was. and they had currency back then. if you want to give God offerings, take some of your money and burn it up to him...why would God need money anyway? we can't give back to Him what already belongs to him. the bible is read out of context so much til it's not funny. and nowhere does the bible say tithe to a preacher or church.
tithes is an act of offering to GOD for the expansion of His kingdom here on earth...its like we will bless HIM because He bless us...He gave us the opportunity to live and work so by tithes we will bless HIM...tithes is not by force...it is according to the condition of our heart...but tithes and offering can be use to reach those people who dont know GOD yet and it also can help to expand churches so many of us can hear the word of GOD.....
@rica9607 -Your statements are based on prosperity preaching-NOT BIBLICAL TEACHING. First, the tithes were always FOOD NOT MONEY. Offerings-like burnt sacrifices, are a part of the law-old testament. Christians today are not held to the tithing because it was ANNULLED(Hebrews 7-18) Please do more research on this issue; using your bible, not some prosperity pimps pathetic lies.
the preachers have tock the word of God and made it out of a paying job. preying on the weak, and vulnerble. the old testiment clearly saids the tithe was for the levi. stop letting the church keep you in "bondage" you give occording to what God has purpose in your heart. bless you..
giving and tithing are 2 different things tithing was old testiment and was replaced with giving hebrews 7 2 corinthians 9 give not of necessity but of a cheerful heart people think that if you don't tith you don't want to give but quite the contrary reap spairling reap spairling sow bountifully reap bountifully
WE AS CHRIST BELIEVERS ARE NOT TOLD TO TITHE OLD TESTAMENT WAS WAYS TO BE MADE RIGHT WITH GOD.......NOW THAT JESUS CAME TO FULLFILL THE LAW WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT!! 2CORITHIAN 9:7 GIVE AS YOUR HEART DESIRE AND GIVE CHEERFULLY NOT OUT OF CONPULSION
@christalyn314 This is a very disturbing misconception. First of all, the old and the new testaments are concerned with the sacrifice that was used for addressing sin. Case and point, animal blood in the old and the replacement was Yahshua's (Jesus) blood in the new (Hebrews 10:4, 9-10). Also, you're tearing up the scriptures - Matthew 5:17-19 makes it clear that the son did not come to destroy the law. Please be advised that giving is one thing and tithing is another matter in itself. Peace!
1Cor 6:20 For ye are bought with a price, and ye are not your own. Matt 6:19-24 Ye can not serve God and mammon. Matt 12:13-21 So is he that layeth up treasure for him self, and is not rich toward God. Hebrews 11:26-27 By faith he forsook Egypt.... The first thing one should have in his or her possession is a willing mind 2Cor 8:12 and know that faith with out works is dead. Now Romans 8:7-8 notice! that the mind that is carnal or ill will can not obey God.
Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught about tithing and in the old testament tithing never had anything to do with money (and they indeed had a monetary system based on gold & silver that was shared between nations in both the old & new testament. When God instituted tithing He commanded them to tithe food. No where in the Bible was anyone ever EVER instructed to tithe money. It just doesn't exist! If u need scripture references I will be more than happy to send them to you.
Corithians 9:7 instructs new covenant believer on how they should give. We are to give as we purpose in our hearts or through the prompting of the holy spirit. We are NOT commanded to pay tithes. Tithes were never in a monetary form; the tithe was in a dietary form that was given the the Levites/Priests, strangers, orphans and widows. When the early church was established, most of the financial contributions went to the poor saints
also, like i said. Many people get offended when money is spoken about with regards to church. but do you know that the bible has 38 parables and 16 are about money, 500 scriptures about faith, 272 on belief, 714 on love, 371 on prayer, 2,000 on money and 2162 on giving. God gave His Son Jesus for us and we have debates are obligated to give money or if it is a choice. Seriously this is what Christianity has come to. How much or how close can i get to the Grey area and still be saved. I serveGod
@ Corithians 9:7 instructs new covenant believer on how they should give. We are to give as we purpose in our hearts or through the prompting of the holy spirit. We are NOT commanded to pay tithes. Tithes were never in a monetary form; the tithe was in a dietary form that was given the the Levites/Priests, strangers, orphans and widows. When the early church was established, most of the financial contributions went to the poor saints.
In scripture Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek befor the Law was even established. This you can find in Genesis 14. But as i said previously Jesus said to the pharisees that they should not have left tithing undone. I dont believe that tithing is a Heaven or Hell issue. However, it is a show of the heart issue. Too many people look for ways to get out of giving. We give to anything else it is that we believe in clothes, shoes, homes, electronics etc. But when it comes to giving to God many dont
@wnorris21 I was wondering if you considered that the statement that Jesus made was prior to His death. In other words, He had not fulfilled the requirements of the law. Also, the tithe to Melchizedek was voluntary as oppose to tithing system under the law. Further, if we are obligated to keep the law of tithing, where is the Temple & priest who must receive the tithe? And if I must tithe, what other parts of the Law must I keep as a Christian? I believe in giving.. Love this discussion!
Tithes were mandatory. Offerings were voluntary by definition.
Good for you for questioning this! Many people do not question the teaching of the Tithe. They do not delve into the Word, they merely regurgitate what their Pastors say, then wonder why it doesn't convince anyone.
Those that say the bible never said anything about money. What was the primary form of exchange in the biblical days. It was product. Increase ussually came in the form of Livestock, Food or some other common exchange. Today what is the main form of exchange??? Money. If a person has an issue with tithing that is between them and God. I believe to teach the truth and let others decide wht they do with it. The bible says money is the root of all kinds of evil. Why do people speak evil to tithers?
@wnorris21 The bible clearly talks about money but the word never suggested that money was to be substituted for the tithe. Question-Can a man change what the Most High said is holy? Lets look at how the bible defines the tithe. Leviticus 27:30-33 makes it clear that the tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land. This is why the pharisees were tithing mint, anise and cummin in Matthew 23:23. Verse 31 verifies that money is not tithable. That's right the tithe can be redeemed not $.
There are many scriptures that speak about giving and tithes is mentioned by Jesus Himself when He rebuked the Pharisees. Matthew 23:23-24 - " Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumming, and have ommitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not leave the others undone."
There are many who are the pharisees in reverse. they have Law, judgment, mercy and faith but they dont give to God
There are many scriptures that speak about giving and tithes is mentioned by Jesus Himself when He rebuked the Pharisees. Matthew 23:23-24 - " Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumming, and have ommitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not leave the others undone."
There are many who are the pharisees in reverse. they have Law, judgment, mercy and faith but they dont give to God
@blueskunk12 I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but I John 3:4 states clearly that sin is the transgression or breaking of the law. Galatians 3:22-25 provides a transparent outline of how the law is to be applied. Before people understand wrong doing as it relates to sin they are under the law or in disobedience. After an understanding of the scriptures is achieved and obedience is exercised this is an indication of faith and the person is no longer under law. Read Matthew 5:17-19.
I believe that the law is still active. But its purpose is not for us to obey it, it's for us to use it to see that we are sinful and need Jesus Christ. And once we accept Christ, we are no longer under law because Jesus fulfills the law on our behalf.
But Tithing is of the Old Covenant. There is no Tithing in the New Covenant because Tithing was an Old Covenant COMMAND of God.
And as others have said, Tithes were not money. Nor were they firstfruits.
@blueskunk12 It doesn't appear that you understand this concept so let's take it step by step. Galatians 2:17-18 makes it clear that after you believe and accept the messiah, if you build again sinful behavior Yahshua (Jesus) is no longer your minister. The law informs us of when we're breaking the Most High's instructions and need to repent. I Timothy 1:8-11 validates that the law is made for the lawless and disobedient and not for the righteous. Tithes are to be received by Levi only.
I agree. The law is clear that Tithes for for the Levites as their inheritance.
I believe that the Melchizedek Priesthood replaced the Levitical and Aaronic Priesthoods. Therefore, no one can Tithe, and the Tithe the Church teaches and receives is not Biblical.
I also believe that Hebrews 7 says that only Levi Tithed to Jesus. That it doesn't say anyone else did or should.
I pray for my understanding and wisdom to increase each day. And that everything I do be out of love.
@blueskunk12 More on tithing - Hebrews 7:5 indicates that the law instructs the Levites to receive tithes from their brothers. This is clearly outlined in Numbers 18 when the Most High transferred the tithe to the Levites because they will not be entitled to any land. This is their compensation for performing the work of the Most High and teaching his instructions. Notice in Hebrews 7:5 that the Levites are entitled not were entitled. This is an everlasting promise for them from the Most High.
@blueskunk12 You're right about one thing the tithe is not money. The tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land Leviticus 27:30. I hope you've gain some understanding in Yahshua's name!
People who read this may not believe this but, I was removed from the church membership because i had stopped paying tithes. This was the church that i grew up in. The church elders knew me ever since i was two or three years old. I was told by one of the Deacons that all i had to do to stay on the church roster was pay my tithes. So i refused to pay another dime to that church or any other church.I would rather give money to the homeless people or someone in need.
The old testament is not done away with. Numbers 18: 8,9, 11-13, 21-32. ( Tithing principles) Deuteronomy 14: 22-29. ( Caring for the poor) Deuteronomy 15: 7-11. Tithes in those days was in food i.e. grains, fruits, vegetables and animals. Malachi 3: 8-12 the most infamous taught scriptures in the church today. If you read it closely the LORD is talking about FOOD not MONEY. Ransom money was payed to the temple building every year only people 20 years old and above payed Exodus30:11-16
"I am the Lord that healeth thee, I am the Lord your Healer".. We believe that Right?? Truth is that was a quote from Exodus..But when the Bible talks about coming about coming out of the pocket with tithes we dont want to believe it.. We say thats old testament..We make every excuse to not to obey when it comes to money.. Its just WRONG!! I cant argue this point with you guys anymore..Im tired of it..Just go ahead and rob God. and watch God and watch your life. Take care. Im done..
Nobody is "robbing" God of anything. I am not saying that we should deny our ecclesiastical institution of financial proceeds. What I am saying is that we should give as we purposeth in our hearts per 2 Corinthians 9:7. God never commanded new covenant believers to give 10% of their paycheck. Tithes were NEVER money in the first place. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
@STJ841 Tithing never had anything to do with money. Go to Matthew 23:23 and see what was being tithed. These so called pastors are deceiving people for their personal gain and will have to give an account for their actions one day. You will too if you keep promoting this false doctrine.
TO: peptohot4u2004-You asked a good question. Correct, there is nothing in the NT about "tithing." The error that has been made about OT Tithing being "also for the Church", is a serious error, one that arises out of attempting to use OT scriptures to bring greater clarity on the NT. This is NOT possible, only the reverse. The NT is the Full Light of God's Word, the OT was its shadow. Also, Replacement Theology is to blame which views "the Church" as the Historic continuation of Ancient Israel.
My dear, Jesus said he did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. What do you think about Jesus did he pay his tithes or not?. We should be careful as Christians. when Jesus took 7 Colombian kids to hell and back, he showed them a christian who was in hell for not paying his tithes and the Lord said to them that the tithes and offerings is for sponsoring the preaching of the gospel and quoted Malachi 3:8-10 to them.
i do agree with paying tithes n offerings, but i dont agree with sacrificing your rent money, transportation money, bills money or grocery money and then hoping 4 an instant miracle.
its not in the new testament cous were free willl givers under grace this only aplpies to a born again beliver yes give to the poor the people in need acording to what you have & can aford noawadays many church demand tith & have no mercy or compassion check out mattew 23-23 jesus rebuked them
Many use Matthew 23:23 as proof that we must Tithe, while ignoring what it says. Does Jesus say "Well done, faithful Tithers, my Father is pleased with you"? Or even "Well done, but you must do still more"?.
No. Instead, Jesus called them hypocrites who neglected more important things, and told them that they would not be justified by their Tithing, but that the man who had never Tithed in Luke 18:9-14 was.
I have heard Pastors saying that those who don't Tithe deserve to be shot.
OK so rather than going back and forth.. If you try a diet and it doesnt work. STOP the diet..So try, just try. Pay tithes for 1 month and watch the blessings of GOD flow and if it doesnt STOP!! But the Lord said "Prove me now" and I believe GOD.. in the 80's it was the Pepsi Challenge. Now lets do the Tithes Challenge. Lets see who wins
There are 614 statutes in the OT...why is tithing the ONLY one being preached today? You cannot follow 1 command, neglect the remaining 613, and consider yourself being blessed by that(Deut 28:15). Mal 3:9 says "You are cursed with a curse..." Gal 3:13 says "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law..." Something's gotta give. Eph 1:1-3 says we are ALREADY BLESSED when we are simply faithful in Christ Jesus..no need for a 30 day "tithe" challenge...you are giving credit to the wrong source.
Present this challenge to the poor and destitute people in the ghetto who have been "tithing" for 15, 20+ years, but are still broke. They are one paycheck away from a soup kitchen, and have not come close to the financial blessings that God "supposedly" promised. The truth is that God never commanded new covenant believers to tithe. In Malachi 3:10, the whole law was a test: not just tithing. One had to obey the ENTIRE law to be blessed.
. I never say this money is not going to me but to the lord and really use it for a building and my needs. I work and preach the gospel not needing for anything. the offering the people give is used for outreaching trying to win souls!
You assume that every pastor that gets tithes is serving his own needs and not doing the work. Your self righteousness pours out of you like venom numbing the ears of those who give you attention. If you are a pastor where does your congregation meet? Are there bills to be paid? and if so who pays them? YOU. or the "offerings" you receive. You are a very angry person towards all other pastors, and you need to check your attitude.
@pastormtippett listen I'm in no shape or form claim that the blessings of the lord is materials so I would appreaciate it if you would put word in my mouth. I am a pastor and Don not teach tithing. I teach "giving to a ministry that is vision driven and kingdom focus to win souls"
@pastormtippett. We currently meet at a 650 seat sanctuary. And yes the building we are in was paid in full by cheerful givers. We stand on faith like the lord says instead of pressuring people to get a "safe" amount. I don't worry about tomorrow's bills because today has enough trouble of its own. the word say that right? I would like to think God has giving me the ability to teach not fearfully
@pastormtippett im not a levite but I am a priest...we all are who believes. Most of my members come from a church like yours who told them they would be cursed or received no blessings if they don't tithe. Thanks to God we are still growing. Only been established for 5 years. I think this is enough debating so publicly. If you would like to discuss this more send me a message. Doesn't look good for men of god to be Going back and forth like this. If not. Ill pray for your faith and heart.
To all you guys who accept the false doctrine of pastors who can't even biblically show that tithing is money are in a group thinking mentality and is like a horse with side blinders on so you can only follow what they say not the word. I am a pastor and do not in know way shape or form teach tithing. thats wrong to take money that isnt and dont belong to me
What I notice about all of you who deny tithing is that you also have a very low respect for the work of a pastor. Yes, there are alot of bad pastors out there, but there are also many times more that are doing what they do because they love you and care for your soul. When you make bad comments to or about pastors that watch over your soul you slap God in the face with your lack of respect.
Wicked and rebellious generation!! Why do you try to fine every excuse not to pay..I pay and YES im Blessed. Before I payed I lived from check to check. Not now, God is GOOD!!! Please Stop fighting. Get your mind out of the pastors driveway and get your mind on Gods principles....
The bible says that the law of God is written on a mans heart. I dont dont have to be Holy Ghost Filled and Fire Baptized to know that fornication is wrong.. The same with tithes, You know that not paying is WRONG!!!!!
@STJ841 Sorry I just read this late. I was on a All inclusive cruise to the bahamas! and going to China for a week in two months. Guess what I don't pay tithes. I don't live from check to check as well. own a home and two cars paid in full. How can you justify me not paying tithes didn't effect me? And where in the bible was tithe that was food ONLY changed to cash? Please help me
HAHAHAHA!! You assume because you have stuff that your blessed. I will tell you how, your mind is blinded by your material things, and you are not available to the revelation of God through His spirit that teaches all things and leads you to righteousness. Therefore you walk boastfully around spewing your own understanding trying to make it appear to be truth. But the truth is not in you.
The devourer being rebuked are the locusts not being able to chew up the crops anymore before they ripen. If both the windows of heaven are opened and the locusts are rebuked, the tithe system is restored again. Not to mention there were at least 4 different types of tithes in the OT, in which God ONLY INVOLVED AGRICULTURE. An Israelite giving silver/gold/sheckels as a tithe would not have been valid.
When did God validate converting 4+ agriculture tithes into 1 money tithe today?
@llonden2kx Man this "PASTOR" MTIPPET GUY still didn;t answer that question. I asked him the same thing. People are so brainwashed from fostered doctrines that they blinded themselves from the truth.
I answered you but you did not have ears to hear. So now your looking for a cheering squad. The bottom line is that all scripture is God breathed and is useful for doctrine, so with that in mind, tithing is in the Bible and is useful for doctrine, correcting, instruction in righteousness. So we can be furnished unto good works.
Last time I checked, it takes dirt, sunshine,and water to grow a crop. If the windows of heaven were closed, no rain would come down and nourish the crop. The crop would eventually die. Come tithe time, the Israelite farmer would not have a crop to give to the Levite. The Levite in turn would not have a crop to give to the Priest. Also, the Levite(and the poor widow, orphan,foreigner,etc...) would not have any food to depend on. Consequently, the whole system is screwed. Thats the curse.
Now the literal...Those who farmed or herded had to tithe their crops or animals to the Levites, who in turn had to tithe a tenth of what they received to Aaron the priest. Levites had no inheritance of their own, so they depended on this system for their necessities.
The windows of heaven is literally an abundance of rain(Gen 7:11-12 & Gen 8:2)
The devourer is literally locusts, whom God even calls his great army(The whole book of Joel & Joel 2:25).
Open your bible to Malachi 2:1 and read it yourself. YES, there are other chapters in Malachi besides Chapter 3.
And now Malachi 3:6-12. This is where the literal passage magically gets transformed into something figurative. I think I've heard it all...The windows of heaven are blessings, the devourer is the devil, your car broke down because you're cursed with a curse for not paying your tithes and robbing God, etc...You probably heard other variations of these.........Figuratively.
And NO its not talking about a "spiritual" Israel, but the actual physical nation. Jesus did not arrive on the scene yet to die, get buried, and resurrect for the new covenant to take effect. Malachi 1:6 further points out who God is talking to - "O priests." NO, not the royal priesthood(us) as described in 1 Peter 2:9, but the OT Levitical priests.
Concerning Malachi 2:1...I cant make it any clearer who GOD (through a prophet) is specifically talking to
Some people these days think every single word written in the bible is talking specifically to them, which is not the case at all. They take a literal passage of scripture and magically transform it into something figurative. (Keep this in mind)
When you begin reading a book, do you normally start at Chapter 3? No, you would start at Chapter 1. Malachi 1:1 explicitly describes who this book is addressed to, "The oracle of the word of the Lord TO ISRAEL through Malachi."
yes u should pay tithes because the word of God say so and if u dont its like holes n ur pocket (thats y u dont have money)and u also robbin God so say the word of God God is the same yestday today and 2mrrow God never changes and His word is 4ever settle TRY IT!!!
Tithing is an obligation for the "Children of Israel" (Jews). Nowhere in the New Testament were the Gentiles converts are obligated to Tithe. Here is what Jesus said about the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testaments
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
In other words, with the advent of John, the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testaments were no more in effect to the converts.
You guys just keep on robing God... Thats why things dont change in your lives.. If I pay my tithes and the Pastor buys a BMW thats between him and God.. Not me. I do my part and God will take care of me and judge those who do wrong.. So quit trying to play Judge Mathis and let God be the judge and pay your tithes and enjoy the blessings of God...
@STJ841 silly fellow you stated know scriptures to back up you argument and want people to listen to you. I would put you under the catorgery of "Groupthinkers" you tkae what people say to you and believe it because everyone else is. LOL People please read the word for yourselfs and stop letting MAN an WOMAN tell you what the bible says!!!
@STJ841 By your logic, if a guy comes to you every Sunday and asks for some money for a hot meal, but every Sunday you see him come out the store with a pack of cigarettes instead, you would simply conclude that is between him and God? You would not "judge" the man as a liar and discontinue giving him money?
Er, clergy. Now where do I see that described? Oh yes - that term Laos. It actually describes the whole body of Christ. Are we therefore never to listen to the advice or counsel of others? There IS wisdom in a multitude of counsellors - and the Holy Spirit does chose to work through men and women - as well as directly through the Word of God.
2 Cor. 9:6-7 "as every man purposes in his heart". Jesus said in Matt. 5:17 that he did not come to destroy the law(old testament) but to fulfill it. So, the law is not a work of the flesh, but is now a work of the heart. In Jer. 31:33 God nsaid that he would put his law in our inward parts, and write it in our hearts. This was fulfilled on the day of penticost when we recieved the holy spirit within us.
@pastormtippett Sir the "LAW you are talking about are the ten commandments" not the law of MOSES" There's a difference. Please study the bible. yoou used Matt 23:23 which is true but Jesus had to follow the set ordance becuase that would make him a "sinner" right? Of course, so what he was saying is that the one you worry most about doesn't really matter which where "tithes". 2 Corinthians 9: was talking about help Jerusalem with their famine he did not say "Tithes"
@pastormtippett you have to study your word correctly in order to teach others. its a serious role you're in. not something to play with. I'm a pastor as well and I actually read and truly understand what I preach not just what my former pastor taught me. you have to forget what you we're taught and study for yourself on a lot of things because man teaches you. "MAN" sometimes foster false doctrines like Women aren't suppose to wear pants and Adam and Eve ate a "Apple" from the tree LOL
You say that I need to study my word "correctly" but the explaination you gave makes no sense. The first 5 books of the bible is the torah "the books of the law" the whole law. Your comment on Matt. 23:23 is rediculous, why would Jesus ever say that "any" of His law "doesnt really matter". What he said is what he said, they were putting more focus on the tithe than the spiritual things needed, BUT, to not stop doing either of them.
@pastormtippett Only thing you said that makes since is 5 first books are torah. Ok sir do this for me to make this short. Answer the following questions. If you can answer them with scripture I'll shut up!
1. Where and who authorized tithes to covert from food to MONEY?(note they had money back then 'shekels')
2. What Pastor/Apostle in the NEW testament receive "Tithes"?
3. Did anyone Disciple or Anyone after the day of Pentecost say pay "Tithes"?
In Hebrews 7:1-12, it says that Abraham gave a tenth (tithe) part of ("ALL") to Melchisidech, (which means King of righteousness), the King of Salem (King of peace). In v.3 it shows that he is a likeness of Jesus.
@pastormtippett Read this to get an understanding he gave it to him because that was showing acknowledgment! It was not required!!! Notice Melchizedek is never mentioned again besides that time! Please denounce yourself and study somemore!
Regardless of how many times he did it, it shows that tithing is still in play, it is just done from the heart (Gods law in you) and not the mosaic law (the carnal law of sin). Melchisidec is mentioned again, right here in Hebrews, this is a reference to him. Read Romans 7 and tell me what you think it is saying.
@mtippett How does it show that its still in "Play" lol! you are so brainwash you can't even see it. It says it was done to show acknowledgment thats it!! it still mentions it in hebrew becasue it is talking about that only insance not something new! If you understood the old testament you would know tithes where given to levites/priest only! Then a tenth of the tithe was literally consumed by GOD! How could we do that now? GOD doesn't consume money lol
@mtippett you know what you still could answer my questions so how could you think you where right? Tell me One Preacher who litterally recieved tithes in the new testament? then who conversed it to MONEY? IF you can't I won't reply to you anymore as well people we'll see how brainwaash and silly you are! "PASTOR" lol
All of your seminary book knowledge has blinded you from being able to rightly divide the mysteries of the bible. Did you even read Romans 7 or are you just going to bash me for not agreeing with you? Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: This clearly says that the law is now in us, there is no denying it, so all other questions are irrelevant.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
@pastormtippett Pk sir you show that you are seriously lacking knowledge of what laws are separate. Find out what laws where inside the ark of covenant then find out the ones that sat outside the ark of covenant. Please study the bible. the Laws in Romans where completely different. How can you give tithes to the lord? Did you know he used to actually come down and consume tithes in the old testament? How can we know do that? WE CAN'T you still didn't show me how it went from food to cash? lol
I stopped responding to you because you look at the bible without understanding the most important thing about Gods word. That is that it is a mystery to be revealed by God to you, not to always be taken as literally applied. So next time you open your word of God try getting in his presence first so that He can reveal the mysteries of the scripture to you and stop leaning on your own understanding and college training.
@pastormtippett Didn't notice you stopped responding? but OK. don;t respond to this then. Are you telling me that the important thing about GOD's word is that ir's a mystery? WOW so I can not just take DO not KILL for what it says? lol YOu need to stop taking these fostered traditions you "pastor" TAUGHT you. and learn for yourself in the PRESENCE OF GOD not the PRESENCE OF YOUR PASTOR/LEADER. My last response. You can't find every lost sheep untill he stops hiding under "Groupthinkers" shadows
No the most important thing is that God reveals the meaning to you. If you are really a pastor you should know this. You have resorted to namecalling and childish babble, when you understand the bible the same way atheist do. You take it too literal when it should be applied spiritually. You do understand the work of the Holy Spirit, right?
In v.5 it says the levites (pastors by definition in v.11) have a commandment to take the tithe of the "bretheren" (church). In v.8 it shows us that the tithe is not to be given as unto the preist or pastor but as unto the LORD. In v.11-12 it says that just as the preisthood changed from carnal to spiritual, so has the Law been changed from carnal to spiritual, but again, not done away with.
TITHE, n. The tenth part of any thing; but appropriately, the tenth part of the increase annually arising from the profits of land and stock, allotted to the clergy for their support. Tithes are personal, predial, or mixed; personal, when accruing from labor, art, trade and navigation; predial, when issuing from the earth, as hay, wood and fruit; and mixed, when accruing from beasts, which are fed from the ground.
You also misunderstood my comment on 2 Cor.9:7-9, someone else used that to explain away tithing, and I used it to show that the spirit in us is Gods law in our "inward parts". Doing His job convicting us to do the law of God, remember that faith without works is dead, but works by faith is made perfect.
NO WHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS US TO PAY TITHES!!! The way most preachers teach tithing today is Extortion, they put fear on the people by using Old Mosaic Law Commands, We are not disciples of Moses we are disciples of Christ...........Christ never commanded His disciples to pay tithes, NEVER. In matthew 23:23 Christ is talking to Hypocritical Pharisees, not His disciples, I will be posting a teaching soon on the subject, subscribe and it will come to you.........Stay Free
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
Just because tithing is talked about in the Old testament and not trhe new, it doesnt mean that it does not apply.. If you tithe God said that he will rebuke the devorer for our sakes. Notice some people make nothing but yet they have more than those who make six figuers. Anyway God Bless!
And I will rebuke the DEVOURER for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground...
devourer yekeq yeh'-lek : the young locust. (strong hebrew/greek lexicon dictionary, #3218).
So I guess you grow crops in your backyard and give a tithe of what you harvest to the levites (not the ego driving and money hungry preachers). BTW, when you see the levites tell them P4J said "Hello." :)
I dont have any locust in my back yard.. But I had locust in my wallet.. But not anymore.. Pay those Tithes and Offering. If the Pastor wants to go get a Lexus thats between him and God. Me paying is between God and Me
Your pastor is your God, That's who you give your tithes to...........YOUR GOD............the true God does not receive tithes anymore because you are the temple of God now, not the temple in jerusalem where the levitical priests are............come out of carnality
@STJ841 well if its not in the Covenant, you have no obligation to it.........we are under law of Christ not Moses, we are not moses disciples but Christs, where did the Apostles say we had to pay tithes please show me...............
Show in the law of christ where he omits tithing. You say alot but you "say" nothing. There is not a single scripture that says we should not tithe, in fact in Matt 23:23 Jesus himself tells the Pharisees to tithe. Not only that, but you fail to see that Jesus is the law of Moses in the flesh.
Show in the law of christ where he omits tithing. You say alot but you "say" nothing. There is not a single scripture that says we should not tithe, in fact in Matt 23:23 Jesus himself tells the Pharisees to tithe. Not only that, but you fail to see that Jesus is the law of Moses in the flesh.
PAY tithe? Give, return - yes. PAY - no. Our relationship with God is based on a free gift and then a family relationship. I don't pay my Father. On the other hand there are times when I give my Father things.
I know it doesn't answer the question - but it adds flavour
PT1 We can not pay tithes also there is no temple in the word it could only be given to the levites and the levites kick up to the priest look @ my PT2 and past it in a search it's an article w/a Rabbi speaking about tithes even JEWS don't tithes it's all free will offering according to the bible ( I've paid tithes since i was a kid I feel so ooo stupid!) But I'm glad God opened my eyes. My pastor will not rob me anymore! GOD bless now go pay ur billS!
PT2 Past this in search>Christians may be in danger of missing salvation itself if they do not pay tithe to the church, Jewish rabbis know better than to say such a thing. They realize that it is biblically improper (actually, it is a blatant disobedience to the laws of the Bible) for anyone to pay or to receive the biblical tithe today. And any minister or ecclesiastical leader who uses the biblical tithe (or any one who pays to a minister the biblical tithe) is a sinner in the eyes of God.
From a lot of post I've read ppl believe that we don't tithes BC Yeshua is risen and that was OT. Actually we are not 2do it BC Tithes was not money but the produce from the ground corn oil grain wheat & such. BC the priest/levites had no inheritance N the land the promise land is over in Israel. UR pastor should get SSI or sumtin' they had no support/land in the OT/NT So Yah set up a system to bless them. But now the temple is gone. look up TITHES in answers _._ com Jewish encyclopedia part.
I've been saved according to Acts 2:4, 2:38 and i haven't paid tithes in over 25 years. I've been blessed over and over again. I believe in free will offerings. I can't find it nowhere in the new testament to pay tithes to the church. If people want to continue to be deceived, then so be it. If u are giving as God has prospered u, then u are doing the right thing. God bless!
Since when was the old testament erased from our bible, Jesus said this, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17. In Leviticus 27:32 it says, "The entire tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the Lord."
i was deceived in that false teaching of tithing for 3years before i found the truth.i can prove in many scriptures that tithing is not for the church.i give you this malachi 3:9 pastor always scaring the people saying if you don't tithe you will be curse,the next time they say that give them this galatian 3:13 jesus redeemed me from the curse and become a curse for us.according to 2 corinth 9 chapter you can give 10%,20%,30% even a 100% what ever it is in your heart to give.GOD BLESS
There is no New Testament scripture that requires or commands Christians to tithe.
Tithing was abolished with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the Christ.
New Testament Christians, such as the Apostle Paul, did not practice tithing. New Testament Christians practiced voluntary giving and free-will offerings.
I teach on the subject of tithing. I have YouTube videos that shed light on the topic. I invite anyone to check them out.
Gods business is savings souls, and a whole lot more. This business is conducted from his house, it is a home based business, this business has workers, called ministers of God, they devote their whole lives to God and his house. God commands us to pay those workers by tithes and offerings, he says pay tithes so there will be meat in his house, so his workers can eat. We are cursed for not tithing, so be blessed and pay God.
@onlyjesusrules MEAT in my house was realmeat. Astorehouse was not a church it was a place the Levites/priest could eat grain wheat corn & yes meat! Use a Lexicon look up that script store house it's not the Temple/church. They had no inheritance N the promise land so this was their provision over in Israel. That part God will rebuke the devourer it was speaking of Locusts/pestilence/flood /fire oncrops IE tithes who do u know w/A blessing U don't have room4? That meant no room in UR barn over
The devil is a liar, he hates God and wants every Christian poor, sick and cursed. God said you are cursed with a curse for robbing God, you build your house and tear Gods house down. You eat to the fill and let Gods ministers go to bed hungry. You pay your utility bill and let the lights go out in Gods house, shame on all of you for robbing God.
Brother, please read your bible and ask God for understanding, you are defending the ones molesting you out of the tool (money) that God is giving you for you to help the poor. Please stop giving your money away to the wolves in sheep's clothing, and obey what the word of God says, give to the POOR!!, The word of God does not commands us to pay tithes and offerings.
Jesus Christ himself did not pay or receive tithes because he wasn't qualified to do so. He didn't descend from the tribe of Levi, neither did he grow crops or herd animals.
Next time tithing comes up in discussion, ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"
Tithing was and is law, Jesus kept the whole law. And Levi had no inheritance but God, it was the 11 other tribes job to provide the ministers of the temple a living. Tithes pay the members of Gods house a paycheck. We are the only ones that can pay that check. if we do not we are cursed. God also said prove me and pay that tithe, and see if I do not open the windows of heaven and pour a blessing that there will not be room enough to receive. Why not Give God a chance to prove himself to you.
Again, the problem is that you do not understand scripture.
Please allow me to help you here, read Heb 7, ONLY Levitites had the commandment to receive tithes and offerings according to the law, and after the death of Jesus, no other man received commandment to do so, yet these so called pastors are declaring themselves to be Levitites!
Read the entire chapter 7,8 and 9 of Hebrews, and humbly ask God for understanding, cause my brother, you are trying to discuss things you know not,
Amen! The Bible says that only those who grew or raised food had to Tithe. Jesus did not Tithe. His disciples (fishermen and a former tax collector) did not Tithe. The Apostle Paul, a Tent Maker, did not Tithe.
Teaching that everyone has to Tithe the first tenth of their gross income is a lie not found in the Bible. The firstfruit is not the Tithe. And both the firstfruit and the Tithe was FOOD, not money.
The Church struggles so hard because it teaches lies instead of the truth.
A great and biblical inspired question. You will receive a lot of nonsensical answers, even some intelligent ones too. None of them will provide the answer to your question. Do you want to know why this is the case? The answer is straight forward there is no scripture in the new testament that commands we pay the tithe.
Greetings, I have to agree that there are no scriptures in the NT that requires us to pay tithes, but not only in the NT, if we read the rules for tithes and offerings we quickly realize that even using the OT we can preach against paying tithes and offerings to these wolves in sheep's clothing.
Any man who charges money to preach the word of God is a wolf. "Freely ye have received, freely give" is just one of many scriptures.
Satan has blinded the whole world, and steals from Gods house, he burns down churches and hates tithing. He hates faithful Christians paying for Gods houses needs, its bills, the poor preachers giving it all to build Gods house and going to bed hungry, because greedy faithless hypocrites robbing God of his tithe. But I am rich and pay my tithe praise God for his blessing on my house as I bless his house with a dime out of every dollar my father gives me. If your poor, if your cursed, pay God.
Have you ever read the bible? it is written to lay aside a tithe and offering the first of each week as God has prospered you. The book of acts is filled with stories of people giving an offering to God, and some that held back some of the offering out of greed and dropped dead because they lied that they gave all, when they really only gave a small part.
Nowhere in the New Testament there a command, a suggestion, or an act in a verse of scripture that christians are to pay tithes to any body anywhere! Jesus Christ, Paul the Apostle, and all of the other disciples taught to give to the poor, remember the poor, because when you give to the poor you give to God, because God does not need your money, God needs your life. Tithes and offerings were for the Jews, alms and charity are for christians. Give out of love for God and people.
Tithes were only for ancient Israelites. And one of the purposes of the tithe was to have a BIG party once a year with gluttony and booze! Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul LUSTETH after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for WINE, or for STRONG DRINK, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household Party on, brothers!
Paying tithes so that a Pope can run around in HIV ravaged Third World countries to dispense his infallible wisdom on the sinfulness of condom use. Fuck a tithe.
ok, i was told if i did not tithe I will have bad luck (curse0 its almost as if I am receiving a voiced chain letter. I give to people who needs help with something at their home or help with the australian fire by giving the red cross money to help out.This past weekend a friend of ours brought us food in about 5 bags. I have a great job and a great marriage etc... I am blessed fully! i have peace and i did not give money to church for a long long time. explain that huh?
Don't pay anything. Lets try this for a change - ask your pastor to pay tithes to you for a year and watch the look on his face. REMEMBER THE LOOK. Now the look that you see should be the same attitude you should have toward these lying legally sanctioned PIMPS and their so-called houses of worship. I give 10% of my profits to a scholarship fund that assists Black college students to cover their remaining costs of tuition and books. Better than paying for some pastor's Bentley.
17 For we are not as the majority, who are peddling the word of God, but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God in Christ, are we speaking.
Sweetheart, you are free in Christ. Don't let greedy pastors pimp you into giving 10% of your paycheck every week for the rest of your life to them. Nowhere in the new testament say that you should tithe. Tithing was part of the law that Jesus free you from. Pastors are afraid to teach the truth because they can't fund their church. They rather manipulate their members instead of live in faith. Give whatever your heart desire and it can be other things besides money like food, clothes, etc.
Luke 11:42 (New International Version) 42"Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Jesus said that we are to exemplify the justice and the love of God without neglecting the Laws of Moses. Just because we are living under Grace now, that does not excuse us from the Law.
Music is VERY DISTRACTING!!!!
Stingabe1 6 days ago
If your looking for an escape to not give - Then don't give !! Just give what's in heart and what you can afford so you don't look back and wish you never gave . It's ok just keep it simple young lady God will provide what you need in life, because he'll know it's from heart not from your mind . God bless
VinylBill1 1 week ago
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Corduroy66 1 month ago
(continued again)Just a side note the building costs the electricity the heat and air and the water for the rest rooms. You see my old life is dead I have been given a new life by the power of the Holy Spirit. I have been blessed beyond anything I could have ever imagined. Jesus has given me everything I have and I pray that one day through the power of Christ with the Holy Spirit one day I can give him all I have..
1mike2sanchez 4 months ago
(continued 1mike2sanchez). I hated my life. But then a small glimpse of hope came in the way of Jesus. I realized one day that if I trusted Christ with my salvation then why not with my finances. I started to tithe and many miracles started to happen. Now not because of my tithe but because of the heart condition it was given with. No words can change you view on tithe and offering. But I hope you pray to Jesus for guidance in your finances. I also hope you go to church because that is biblical
1mike2sanchez 4 months ago
Do you believe in Jesus Christ? You are not required to pay tithe and offering. It is a heart condition. You see I used to look for every excuse to avoid to have to give my money to the church. I believed that that's all they wanted from me. I hit rock bottom, I became homeless and ran far away from God. Many people reached out to me because of there love for Christ. But not until I tried everything and I mean everything to get out of the situation myself did I find myself hopeless. I hated my
1mike2sanchez 4 months ago
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$5000.00 TO ANYBODY THAT CAN PRODUCE ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE WHERE GOD COMMANDS A GENTILE (NON-JEW) TO TITHE!!!!!!
poorway777 5 months ago
Good question! NOWHERE in the Old or New Testaments was anyone ever instructed to tithe money! God instructed the nation of Israel to tithe FOOD ITEMS not money. We are no more obligated to tithe under the New testament covenant than we are to make animal sacrifices. Tithing money did not start until 4th century AD by the apostate church; it's a legalistic doctrine that has crept into the actual church. The fact that people talk about tithing in terms of money shows how great the deception is!
ericjaynelson 5 months ago
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coolestmcse 6 months ago
Hebrews 7:18-19 ABOLISHES the Levitical tithing and their priesthood. It's so clear... blessings.
coolestmcse 6 months ago
kill the music in the background girl.........that shit kills your video!!! love your questions, i have asked them to christians and ministers and they hate it !!! Specially the leaders, it fucks up their easy job cash!!!!
FYI: tithes was meant for the ancient Jews, not the church. its a practice of the ancient LAW, not the new grace of god
eddyg2020 7 months ago
what people seem to misunderstand about tithing is that it was not for everyone to do. and money was not used for tithing...food, produce, fruit, cattle, etc. was. and they had currency back then. if you want to give God offerings, take some of your money and burn it up to him...why would God need money anyway? we can't give back to Him what already belongs to him. the bible is read out of context so much til it's not funny. and nowhere does the bible say tithe to a preacher or church.
rbmt3rd2007 8 months ago
tithes is an act of offering to GOD for the expansion of His kingdom here on earth...its like we will bless HIM because He bless us...He gave us the opportunity to live and work so by tithes we will bless HIM...tithes is not by force...it is according to the condition of our heart...but tithes and offering can be use to reach those people who dont know GOD yet and it also can help to expand churches so many of us can hear the word of GOD.....
rica9607 8 months ago
@rica9607 -Your statements are based on prosperity preaching-NOT BIBLICAL TEACHING. First, the tithes were always FOOD NOT MONEY. Offerings-like burnt sacrifices, are a part of the law-old testament. Christians today are not held to the tithing because it was ANNULLED(Hebrews 7-18) Please do more research on this issue; using your bible, not some prosperity pimps pathetic lies.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
the preachers have tock the word of God and made it out of a paying job. preying on the weak, and vulnerble. the old testiment clearly saids the tithe was for the levi. stop letting the church keep you in "bondage" you give occording to what God has purpose in your heart. bless you..
corneliuslb 9 months ago
It was somewhere next to..."How shalt the Pastor payeth for his mansion and his jet"! For the Lord provideth to all recipients of the tithes".
elohimfetus 10 months ago
giving and tithing are 2 different things tithing was old testiment and was replaced with giving hebrews 7 2 corinthians 9 give not of necessity but of a cheerful heart people think that if you don't tith you don't want to give but quite the contrary reap spairling reap spairling sow bountifully reap bountifully
avagage1 1 year ago
WE AS CHRIST BELIEVERS ARE NOT TOLD TO TITHE OLD TESTAMENT WAS WAYS TO BE MADE RIGHT WITH GOD.......NOW THAT JESUS CAME TO FULLFILL THE LAW WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT!! 2CORITHIAN 9:7 GIVE AS YOUR HEART DESIRE AND GIVE CHEERFULLY NOT OUT OF CONPULSION
christalyn314 1 year ago
@christalyn314 This is a very disturbing misconception. First of all, the old and the new testaments are concerned with the sacrifice that was used for addressing sin. Case and point, animal blood in the old and the replacement was Yahshua's (Jesus) blood in the new (Hebrews 10:4, 9-10). Also, you're tearing up the scriptures - Matthew 5:17-19 makes it clear that the son did not come to destroy the law. Please be advised that giving is one thing and tithing is another matter in itself. Peace!
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
1Cor 6:20 For ye are bought with a price, and ye are not your own. Matt 6:19-24 Ye can not serve God and mammon. Matt 12:13-21 So is he that layeth up treasure for him self, and is not rich toward God. Hebrews 11:26-27 By faith he forsook Egypt.... The first thing one should have in his or her possession is a willing mind 2Cor 8:12 and know that faith with out works is dead. Now Romans 8:7-8 notice! that the mind that is carnal or ill will can not obey God.
Fruitandfellowship 1 year ago
@Fruitandfellowship
What does this have to do with Tithing? Tithing was a COMMAND of the Old Testament (Lev 27:34).
Heb 8:7
For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
Heb 8:13
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
I suggest you read Galatians 4. God has given us a NEW Covenant. One that is not based on obedience, but on faith and grace.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught about tithing and in the old testament tithing never had anything to do with money (and they indeed had a monetary system based on gold & silver that was shared between nations in both the old & new testament. When God instituted tithing He commanded them to tithe food. No where in the Bible was anyone ever EVER instructed to tithe money. It just doesn't exist! If u need scripture references I will be more than happy to send them to you.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
Tithing is not a Salvation issue so the choice is yours!
djnatl 1 year ago
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Corithians 9:7 instructs new covenant believer on how they should give. We are to give as we purpose in our hearts or through the prompting of the holy spirit. We are NOT commanded to pay tithes. Tithes were never in a monetary form; the tithe was in a dietary form that was given the the Levites/Priests, strangers, orphans and widows. When the early church was established, most of the financial contributions went to the poor saints
suaved 1 year ago
and by serving God he doesnt tempt me to get close to a Grey area.
wnorris21 1 year ago
also, like i said. Many people get offended when money is spoken about with regards to church. but do you know that the bible has 38 parables and 16 are about money, 500 scriptures about faith, 272 on belief, 714 on love, 371 on prayer, 2,000 on money and 2162 on giving. God gave His Son Jesus for us and we have debates are obligated to give money or if it is a choice. Seriously this is what Christianity has come to. How much or how close can i get to the Grey area and still be saved. I serveGod
wnorris21 1 year ago
@wnorris21
@ Corithians 9:7 instructs new covenant believer on how they should give. We are to give as we purpose in our hearts or through the prompting of the holy spirit. We are NOT commanded to pay tithes. Tithes were never in a monetary form; the tithe was in a dietary form that was given the the Levites/Priests, strangers, orphans and widows. When the early church was established, most of the financial contributions went to the poor saints.
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wnorris21 1 year ago
In scripture Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek befor the Law was even established. This you can find in Genesis 14. But as i said previously Jesus said to the pharisees that they should not have left tithing undone. I dont believe that tithing is a Heaven or Hell issue. However, it is a show of the heart issue. Too many people look for ways to get out of giving. We give to anything else it is that we believe in clothes, shoes, homes, electronics etc. But when it comes to giving to God many dont
wnorris21 1 year ago
@wnorris21 I was wondering if you considered that the statement that Jesus made was prior to His death. In other words, He had not fulfilled the requirements of the law. Also, the tithe to Melchizedek was voluntary as oppose to tithing system under the law. Further, if we are obligated to keep the law of tithing, where is the Temple & priest who must receive the tithe? And if I must tithe, what other parts of the Law must I keep as a Christian? I believe in giving.. Love this discussion!
Floweka1 1 year ago
Tithes were mandatory. Offerings were voluntary by definition.
Good for you for questioning this! Many people do not question the teaching of the Tithe. They do not delve into the Word, they merely regurgitate what their Pastors say, then wonder why it doesn't convince anyone.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
Those that say the bible never said anything about money. What was the primary form of exchange in the biblical days. It was product. Increase ussually came in the form of Livestock, Food or some other common exchange. Today what is the main form of exchange??? Money. If a person has an issue with tithing that is between them and God. I believe to teach the truth and let others decide wht they do with it. The bible says money is the root of all kinds of evil. Why do people speak evil to tithers?
wnorris21 1 year ago
@wnorris21 The bible clearly talks about money but the word never suggested that money was to be substituted for the tithe. Question-Can a man change what the Most High said is holy? Lets look at how the bible defines the tithe. Leviticus 27:30-33 makes it clear that the tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land. This is why the pharisees were tithing mint, anise and cummin in Matthew 23:23. Verse 31 verifies that money is not tithable. That's right the tithe can be redeemed not $.
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
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There are many scriptures that speak about giving and tithes is mentioned by Jesus Himself when He rebuked the Pharisees. Matthew 23:23-24 - " Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumming, and have ommitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not leave the others undone."
There are many who are the pharisees in reverse. they have Law, judgment, mercy and faith but they dont give to God
wnorris21 1 year ago
There are many scriptures that speak about giving and tithes is mentioned by Jesus Himself when He rebuked the Pharisees. Matthew 23:23-24 - " Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumming, and have ommitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought you to have done, and not leave the others undone."
There are many who are the pharisees in reverse. they have Law, judgment, mercy and faith but they dont give to God
wnorris21 1 year ago
@wnorris21
Do you listen to what you say?
Jesus Himself said that the Tithe was a matter of the law. So let me ask you - do you obey the law, or are you free of the law?
Don't make Tithing a matter of giving, because Jesus said it's a matter of the law. But if we obey the law, then according to Paul, we reject Christ.
Which is it? Do you listen to Jesus then call Him a liar, or do you merely turn your back on Him?
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 Very good point blue. Had I read your comment first, I would not have posted one myself.
Floweka1 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but I John 3:4 states clearly that sin is the transgression or breaking of the law. Galatians 3:22-25 provides a transparent outline of how the law is to be applied. Before people understand wrong doing as it relates to sin they are under the law or in disobedience. After an understanding of the scriptures is achieved and obedience is exercised this is an indication of faith and the person is no longer under law. Read Matthew 5:17-19.
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
@Thebibleconsultant
I believe that the law is still active. But its purpose is not for us to obey it, it's for us to use it to see that we are sinful and need Jesus Christ. And once we accept Christ, we are no longer under law because Jesus fulfills the law on our behalf.
But Tithing is of the Old Covenant. There is no Tithing in the New Covenant because Tithing was an Old Covenant COMMAND of God.
And as others have said, Tithes were not money. Nor were they firstfruits.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 It doesn't appear that you understand this concept so let's take it step by step. Galatians 2:17-18 makes it clear that after you believe and accept the messiah, if you build again sinful behavior Yahshua (Jesus) is no longer your minister. The law informs us of when we're breaking the Most High's instructions and need to repent. I Timothy 1:8-11 validates that the law is made for the lawless and disobedient and not for the righteous. Tithes are to be received by Levi only.
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
@Thebibleconsultant
I agree. The law is clear that Tithes for for the Levites as their inheritance.
I believe that the Melchizedek Priesthood replaced the Levitical and Aaronic Priesthoods. Therefore, no one can Tithe, and the Tithe the Church teaches and receives is not Biblical.
I also believe that Hebrews 7 says that only Levi Tithed to Jesus. That it doesn't say anyone else did or should.
I pray for my understanding and wisdom to increase each day. And that everything I do be out of love.
blueskunk12 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 More on tithing - Hebrews 7:5 indicates that the law instructs the Levites to receive tithes from their brothers. This is clearly outlined in Numbers 18 when the Most High transferred the tithe to the Levites because they will not be entitled to any land. This is their compensation for performing the work of the Most High and teaching his instructions. Notice in Hebrews 7:5 that the Levites are entitled not were entitled. This is an everlasting promise for them from the Most High.
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
@blueskunk12 You're right about one thing the tithe is not money. The tithe is the fruit of the tree and the seed of the land Leviticus 27:30. I hope you've gain some understanding in Yahshua's name!
Thebibleconsultant 11 months ago
People who read this may not believe this but, I was removed from the church membership because i had stopped paying tithes. This was the church that i grew up in. The church elders knew me ever since i was two or three years old. I was told by one of the Deacons that all i had to do to stay on the church roster was pay my tithes. So i refused to pay another dime to that church or any other church.I would rather give money to the homeless people or someone in need.
MrLinburg 1 year ago
The old testament is not done away with. Numbers 18: 8,9, 11-13, 21-32. ( Tithing principles) Deuteronomy 14: 22-29. ( Caring for the poor) Deuteronomy 15: 7-11. Tithes in those days was in food i.e. grains, fruits, vegetables and animals. Malachi 3: 8-12 the most infamous taught scriptures in the church today. If you read it closely the LORD is talking about FOOD not MONEY. Ransom money was payed to the temple building every year only people 20 years old and above payed Exodus30:11-16
jdmoney86 1 year ago
"I am the Lord that healeth thee, I am the Lord your Healer".. We believe that Right?? Truth is that was a quote from Exodus..But when the Bible talks about coming about coming out of the pocket with tithes we dont want to believe it.. We say thats old testament..We make every excuse to not to obey when it comes to money.. Its just WRONG!! I cant argue this point with you guys anymore..Im tired of it..Just go ahead and rob God. and watch God and watch your life. Take care. Im done..
STJ841 1 year ago
@STJ841
Nobody is "robbing" God of anything. I am not saying that we should deny our ecclesiastical institution of financial proceeds. What I am saying is that we should give as we purposeth in our hearts per 2 Corinthians 9:7. God never commanded new covenant believers to give 10% of their paycheck. Tithes were NEVER money in the first place. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
suaved 1 year ago
@STJ841 Tithing never had anything to do with money. Go to Matthew 23:23 and see what was being tithed. These so called pastors are deceiving people for their personal gain and will have to give an account for their actions one day. You will too if you keep promoting this false doctrine.
Taaron313 1 year ago
I like the question and I can answer but we need to study the word, so if you want to do a Bible study on the phone...let me know. God bless
stoneuno 1 year ago
TO: peptohot4u2004-You asked a good question. Correct, there is nothing in the NT about "tithing." The error that has been made about OT Tithing being "also for the Church", is a serious error, one that arises out of attempting to use OT scriptures to bring greater clarity on the NT. This is NOT possible, only the reverse. The NT is the Full Light of God's Word, the OT was its shadow. Also, Replacement Theology is to blame which views "the Church" as the Historic continuation of Ancient Israel.
TheTheologianExpert 1 year ago
My dear, Jesus said he did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. What do you think about Jesus did he pay his tithes or not?. We should be careful as Christians. when Jesus took 7 Colombian kids to hell and back, he showed them a christian who was in hell for not paying his tithes and the Lord said to them that the tithes and offerings is for sponsoring the preaching of the gospel and quoted Malachi 3:8-10 to them.
tanyuelvis 1 year ago
no where..it is a hoax to get your money and put it into the false ministers payroll.
135974 1 year ago
i do agree with paying tithes n offerings, but i dont agree with sacrificing your rent money, transportation money, bills money or grocery money and then hoping 4 an instant miracle.
cylinder4ify 1 year ago
Since you dont know where it is, I will show you.
Wait a min, I know its somewhere
Oh yea, I cant find it right now, but just hold on a min
Well let me ask my pastor, I know he knows
Just forget it, I give up, do anyone else want to give it a try?
kbdory 1 year ago
its not in the new testament cous were free willl givers under grace this only aplpies to a born again beliver yes give to the poor the people in need acording to what you have & can aford noawadays many church demand tith & have no mercy or compassion check out mattew 23-23 jesus rebuked them
anthony7759 1 year ago
@anthony7759
Many use Matthew 23:23 as proof that we must Tithe, while ignoring what it says. Does Jesus say "Well done, faithful Tithers, my Father is pleased with you"? Or even "Well done, but you must do still more"?.
No. Instead, Jesus called them hypocrites who neglected more important things, and told them that they would not be justified by their Tithing, but that the man who had never Tithed in Luke 18:9-14 was.
I have heard Pastors saying that those who don't Tithe deserve to be shot.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
OK so rather than going back and forth.. If you try a diet and it doesnt work. STOP the diet..So try, just try. Pay tithes for 1 month and watch the blessings of GOD flow and if it doesnt STOP!! But the Lord said "Prove me now" and I believe GOD.. in the 80's it was the Pepsi Challenge. Now lets do the Tithes Challenge. Lets see who wins
STJ841 1 year ago
There are 614 statutes in the OT...why is tithing the ONLY one being preached today? You cannot follow 1 command, neglect the remaining 613, and consider yourself being blessed by that(Deut 28:15). Mal 3:9 says "You are cursed with a curse..." Gal 3:13 says "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law..." Something's gotta give. Eph 1:1-3 says we are ALREADY BLESSED when we are simply faithful in Christ Jesus..no need for a 30 day "tithe" challenge...you are giving credit to the wrong source.
llonden2kx 1 year ago
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blueskunk12 1 year ago
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The problem is that the Tithe was not food, and that many have Tithed money from their monetary and did not receive any material blessings.
And why should we expect blessings now? God's Kingdom is not here on Earth, and Jesus said do not store up treasure on Earth (Matthew 6:19-21).
But even if we received our reward now, there would be none left for us in Heaven (Matthew 6:2).
Why believe something that is not even in the Bible, while contradicting what is in the Bible?
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@STJ841
Present this challenge to the poor and destitute people in the ghetto who have been "tithing" for 15, 20+ years, but are still broke. They are one paycheck away from a soup kitchen, and have not come close to the financial blessings that God "supposedly" promised. The truth is that God never commanded new covenant believers to tithe. In Malachi 3:10, the whole law was a test: not just tithing. One had to obey the ENTIRE law to be blessed.
suaved 1 year ago
. I never say this money is not going to me but to the lord and really use it for a building and my needs. I work and preach the gospel not needing for anything. the offering the people give is used for outreaching trying to win souls!
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
You assume that every pastor that gets tithes is serving his own needs and not doing the work. Your self righteousness pours out of you like venom numbing the ears of those who give you attention. If you are a pastor where does your congregation meet? Are there bills to be paid? and if so who pays them? YOU. or the "offerings" you receive. You are a very angry person towards all other pastors, and you need to check your attitude.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett listen I'm in no shape or form claim that the blessings of the lord is materials so I would appreaciate it if you would put word in my mouth. I am a pastor and Don not teach tithing. I teach "giving to a ministry that is vision driven and kingdom focus to win souls"
matrix0813 1 year ago
@pastormtippett. We currently meet at a 650 seat sanctuary. And yes the building we are in was paid in full by cheerful givers. We stand on faith like the lord says instead of pressuring people to get a "safe" amount. I don't worry about tomorrow's bills because today has enough trouble of its own. the word say that right? I would like to think God has giving me the ability to teach not fearfully
matrix0813 1 year ago
@pastormtippett im not a levite but I am a priest...we all are who believes. Most of my members come from a church like yours who told them they would be cursed or received no blessings if they don't tithe. Thanks to God we are still growing. Only been established for 5 years. I think this is enough debating so publicly. If you would like to discuss this more send me a message. Doesn't look good for men of god to be Going back and forth like this. If not. Ill pray for your faith and heart.
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
Well said. I will approve of anyone who says and does what is actually in the Bible.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
To all you guys who accept the false doctrine of pastors who can't even biblically show that tithing is money are in a group thinking mentality and is like a horse with side blinders on so you can only follow what they say not the word. I am a pastor and do not in know way shape or form teach tithing. thats wrong to take money that isnt and dont belong to me
matrix0813 1 year ago
What I notice about all of you who deny tithing is that you also have a very low respect for the work of a pastor. Yes, there are alot of bad pastors out there, but there are also many times more that are doing what they do because they love you and care for your soul. When you make bad comments to or about pastors that watch over your soul you slap God in the face with your lack of respect.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett AMEN!! You said it right
STJ841 1 year ago
Wicked and rebellious generation!! Why do you try to fine every excuse not to pay..I pay and YES im Blessed. Before I payed I lived from check to check. Not now, God is GOOD!!! Please Stop fighting. Get your mind out of the pastors driveway and get your mind on Gods principles....
STJ841 1 year ago
The bible says that the law of God is written on a mans heart. I dont dont have to be Holy Ghost Filled and Fire Baptized to know that fornication is wrong.. The same with tithes, You know that not paying is WRONG!!!!!
STJ841 1 year ago
@STJ841 Sorry I just read this late. I was on a All inclusive cruise to the bahamas! and going to China for a week in two months. Guess what I don't pay tithes. I don't live from check to check as well. own a home and two cars paid in full. How can you justify me not paying tithes didn't effect me? And where in the bible was tithe that was food ONLY changed to cash? Please help me
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
HAHAHAHA!! You assume because you have stuff that your blessed. I will tell you how, your mind is blinded by your material things, and you are not available to the revelation of God through His spirit that teaches all things and leads you to righteousness. Therefore you walk boastfully around spewing your own understanding trying to make it appear to be truth. But the truth is not in you.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
Part 6
The devourer being rebuked are the locusts not being able to chew up the crops anymore before they ripen. If both the windows of heaven are opened and the locusts are rebuked, the tithe system is restored again. Not to mention there were at least 4 different types of tithes in the OT, in which God ONLY INVOLVED AGRICULTURE. An Israelite giving silver/gold/sheckels as a tithe would not have been valid.
When did God validate converting 4+ agriculture tithes into 1 money tithe today?
llonden2kx 1 year ago
@llonden2kx Man this "PASTOR" MTIPPET GUY still didn;t answer that question. I asked him the same thing. People are so brainwashed from fostered doctrines that they blinded themselves from the truth.
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
I answered you but you did not have ears to hear. So now your looking for a cheering squad. The bottom line is that all scripture is God breathed and is useful for doctrine, so with that in mind, tithing is in the Bible and is useful for doctrine, correcting, instruction in righteousness. So we can be furnished unto good works.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
Part 5
Last time I checked, it takes dirt, sunshine,and water to grow a crop. If the windows of heaven were closed, no rain would come down and nourish the crop. The crop would eventually die. Come tithe time, the Israelite farmer would not have a crop to give to the Levite. The Levite in turn would not have a crop to give to the Priest. Also, the Levite(and the poor widow, orphan,foreigner,etc...) would not have any food to depend on. Consequently, the whole system is screwed. Thats the curse.
llonden2kx 1 year ago
Part 4
Now the literal...Those who farmed or herded had to tithe their crops or animals to the Levites, who in turn had to tithe a tenth of what they received to Aaron the priest. Levites had no inheritance of their own, so they depended on this system for their necessities.
The windows of heaven is literally an abundance of rain(Gen 7:11-12 & Gen 8:2)
The devourer is literally locusts, whom God even calls his great army(The whole book of Joel & Joel 2:25).
llonden2kx 1 year ago
Part 3
Open your bible to Malachi 2:1 and read it yourself. YES, there are other chapters in Malachi besides Chapter 3.
And now Malachi 3:6-12. This is where the literal passage magically gets transformed into something figurative. I think I've heard it all...The windows of heaven are blessings, the devourer is the devil, your car broke down because you're cursed with a curse for not paying your tithes and robbing God, etc...You probably heard other variations of these.........Figuratively.
llonden2kx 1 year ago
Part 2
And NO its not talking about a "spiritual" Israel, but the actual physical nation. Jesus did not arrive on the scene yet to die, get buried, and resurrect for the new covenant to take effect. Malachi 1:6 further points out who God is talking to - "O priests." NO, not the royal priesthood(us) as described in 1 Peter 2:9, but the OT Levitical priests.
Concerning Malachi 2:1...I cant make it any clearer who GOD (through a prophet) is specifically talking to
llonden2kx 1 year ago
Part 1
Some people these days think every single word written in the bible is talking specifically to them, which is not the case at all. They take a literal passage of scripture and magically transform it into something figurative. (Keep this in mind)
When you begin reading a book, do you normally start at Chapter 3? No, you would start at Chapter 1. Malachi 1:1 explicitly describes who this book is addressed to, "The oracle of the word of the Lord TO ISRAEL through Malachi."
llonden2kx 1 year ago
yes u should pay tithes because the word of God say so and if u dont its like holes n ur pocket (thats y u dont have money)and u also robbin God so say the word of God God is the same yestday today and 2mrrow God never changes and His word is 4ever settle TRY IT!!!
2009andrell 1 year ago
Tithing is an obligation for the "Children of Israel" (Jews). Nowhere in the New Testament were the Gentiles converts are obligated to Tithe. Here is what Jesus said about the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testaments
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."
In other words, with the advent of John, the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testaments were no more in effect to the converts.
12lipa 1 year ago
You guys just keep on robing God... Thats why things dont change in your lives.. If I pay my tithes and the Pastor buys a BMW thats between him and God.. Not me. I do my part and God will take care of me and judge those who do wrong.. So quit trying to play Judge Mathis and let God be the judge and pay your tithes and enjoy the blessings of God...
STJ841 1 year ago
@STJ841 silly fellow you stated know scriptures to back up you argument and want people to listen to you. I would put you under the catorgery of "Groupthinkers" you tkae what people say to you and believe it because everyone else is. LOL People please read the word for yourselfs and stop letting MAN an WOMAN tell you what the bible says!!!
matrix0813 1 year ago
@STJ841 By your logic, if a guy comes to you every Sunday and asks for some money for a hot meal, but every Sunday you see him come out the store with a pack of cigarettes instead, you would simply conclude that is between him and God? You would not "judge" the man as a liar and discontinue giving him money?
llonden2kx 1 year ago
@llonden2kx See man you on point with that man! he would continue to give money! Some people are just walking around the world blind
matrix0813 1 year ago
Er, clergy. Now where do I see that described? Oh yes - that term Laos. It actually describes the whole body of Christ. Are we therefore never to listen to the advice or counsel of others? There IS wisdom in a multitude of counsellors - and the Holy Spirit does chose to work through men and women - as well as directly through the Word of God.
Peteradvent 1 year ago
The gospel of Jesus is not a commodity to be bought or sold, neither should any clergy eat meat by it; nor should any clergy be in control of you.
mego4321 1 year ago
2 Cor. 9:6-7 "as every man purposes in his heart". Jesus said in Matt. 5:17 that he did not come to destroy the law(old testament) but to fulfill it. So, the law is not a work of the flesh, but is now a work of the heart. In Jer. 31:33 God nsaid that he would put his law in our inward parts, and write it in our hearts. This was fulfilled on the day of penticost when we recieved the holy spirit within us.
pastormtippett 2 years ago
@pastormtippett Sir the "LAW you are talking about are the ten commandments" not the law of MOSES" There's a difference. Please study the bible. yoou used Matt 23:23 which is true but Jesus had to follow the set ordance becuase that would make him a "sinner" right? Of course, so what he was saying is that the one you worry most about doesn't really matter which where "tithes". 2 Corinthians 9: was talking about help Jerusalem with their famine he did not say "Tithes"
matrix0813 1 year ago
@pastormtippett you have to study your word correctly in order to teach others. its a serious role you're in. not something to play with. I'm a pastor as well and I actually read and truly understand what I preach not just what my former pastor taught me. you have to forget what you we're taught and study for yourself on a lot of things because man teaches you. "MAN" sometimes foster false doctrines like Women aren't suppose to wear pants and Adam and Eve ate a "Apple" from the tree LOL
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
You say that I need to study my word "correctly" but the explaination you gave makes no sense. The first 5 books of the bible is the torah "the books of the law" the whole law. Your comment on Matt. 23:23 is rediculous, why would Jesus ever say that "any" of His law "doesnt really matter". What he said is what he said, they were putting more focus on the tithe than the spiritual things needed, BUT, to not stop doing either of them.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett Only thing you said that makes since is 5 first books are torah. Ok sir do this for me to make this short. Answer the following questions. If you can answer them with scripture I'll shut up!
1. Where and who authorized tithes to covert from food to MONEY?(note they had money back then 'shekels')
2. What Pastor/Apostle in the NEW testament receive "Tithes"?
3. Did anyone Disciple or Anyone after the day of Pentecost say pay "Tithes"?
if not, you have to know someone false!
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
In Hebrews 7:1-12, it says that Abraham gave a tenth (tithe) part of ("ALL") to Melchisidech, (which means King of righteousness), the King of Salem (King of peace). In v.3 it shows that he is a likeness of Jesus.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett Read this to get an understanding he gave it to him because that was showing acknowledgment! It was not required!!! Notice Melchizedek is never mentioned again besides that time! Please denounce yourself and study somemore!
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
Regardless of how many times he did it, it shows that tithing is still in play, it is just done from the heart (Gods law in you) and not the mosaic law (the carnal law of sin). Melchisidec is mentioned again, right here in Hebrews, this is a reference to him. Read Romans 7 and tell me what you think it is saying.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@mtippett How does it show that its still in "Play" lol! you are so brainwash you can't even see it. It says it was done to show acknowledgment thats it!! it still mentions it in hebrew becasue it is talking about that only insance not something new! If you understood the old testament you would know tithes where given to levites/priest only! Then a tenth of the tithe was literally consumed by GOD! How could we do that now? GOD doesn't consume money lol
matrix0813 1 year ago
@mtippett you know what you still could answer my questions so how could you think you where right? Tell me One Preacher who litterally recieved tithes in the new testament? then who conversed it to MONEY? IF you can't I won't reply to you anymore as well people we'll see how brainwaash and silly you are! "PASTOR" lol
matrix0813 1 year ago 2
@matrix0813
All of your seminary book knowledge has blinded you from being able to rightly divide the mysteries of the bible. Did you even read Romans 7 or are you just going to bash me for not agreeing with you? Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@matrix0813
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: This clearly says that the law is now in us, there is no denying it, so all other questions are irrelevant.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@matrix0813
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett Pk sir you show that you are seriously lacking knowledge of what laws are separate. Find out what laws where inside the ark of covenant then find out the ones that sat outside the ark of covenant. Please study the bible. the Laws in Romans where completely different. How can you give tithes to the lord? Did you know he used to actually come down and consume tithes in the old testament? How can we know do that? WE CAN'T you still didn't show me how it went from food to cash? lol
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
I stopped responding to you because you look at the bible without understanding the most important thing about Gods word. That is that it is a mystery to be revealed by God to you, not to always be taken as literally applied. So next time you open your word of God try getting in his presence first so that He can reveal the mysteries of the scripture to you and stop leaning on your own understanding and college training.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett Didn't notice you stopped responding? but OK. don;t respond to this then. Are you telling me that the important thing about GOD's word is that ir's a mystery? WOW so I can not just take DO not KILL for what it says? lol YOu need to stop taking these fostered traditions you "pastor" TAUGHT you. and learn for yourself in the PRESENCE OF GOD not the PRESENCE OF YOUR PASTOR/LEADER. My last response. You can't find every lost sheep untill he stops hiding under "Groupthinkers" shadows
matrix0813 1 year ago
@matrix0813
No the most important thing is that God reveals the meaning to you. If you are really a pastor you should know this. You have resorted to namecalling and childish babble, when you understand the bible the same way atheist do. You take it too literal when it should be applied spiritually. You do understand the work of the Holy Spirit, right?
pastormtippett 1 year ago
In v.5 it says the levites (pastors by definition in v.11) have a commandment to take the tithe of the "bretheren" (church). In v.8 it shows us that the tithe is not to be given as unto the preist or pastor but as unto the LORD. In v.11-12 it says that just as the preisthood changed from carnal to spiritual, so has the Law been changed from carnal to spiritual, but again, not done away with.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
TITHE, n. The tenth part of any thing; but appropriately, the tenth part of the increase annually arising from the profits of land and stock, allotted to the clergy for their support. Tithes are personal, predial, or mixed; personal, when accruing from labor, art, trade and navigation; predial, when issuing from the earth, as hay, wood and fruit; and mixed, when accruing from beasts, which are fed from the ground.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
You also misunderstood my comment on 2 Cor.9:7-9, someone else used that to explain away tithing, and I used it to show that the spirit in us is Gods law in our "inward parts". Doing His job convicting us to do the law of God, remember that faith without works is dead, but works by faith is made perfect.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
matthew 22:15-22
eastergirl82 2 years ago
NO WHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT COMMANDS US TO PAY TITHES!!! The way most preachers teach tithing today is Extortion, they put fear on the people by using Old Mosaic Law Commands, We are not disciples of Moses we are disciples of Christ...........Christ never commanded His disciples to pay tithes, NEVER. In matthew 23:23 Christ is talking to Hypocritical Pharisees, not His disciples, I will be posting a teaching soon on the subject, subscribe and it will come to you.........Stay Free
PerfectingSaints1 2 years ago 2
@PerfectingSaints1
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
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@pastormtippett just my point who is he talking too,,,,,,,,not his disciples, he is talking to hypocrites according to the law of moses please read Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders agreed that the Gentiles are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses.
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
Just because tithing is talked about in the Old testament and not trhe new, it doesnt mean that it does not apply.. If you tithe God said that he will rebuke the devorer for our sakes. Notice some people make nothing but yet they have more than those who make six figuers. Anyway God Bless!
STJ841 2 years ago
@STJ841
Mal 3:11
And I will rebuke the DEVOURER for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground...
devourer yekeq yeh'-lek : the young locust. (strong hebrew/greek lexicon dictionary, #3218).
So I guess you grow crops in your backyard and give a tithe of what you harvest to the levites (not the ego driving and money hungry preachers). BTW, when you see the levites tell them P4J said "Hello." :)
Pimpin4Jesus 2 years ago 2
I dont have any locust in my back yard.. But I had locust in my wallet.. But not anymore.. Pay those Tithes and Offering. If the Pastor wants to go get a Lexus thats between him and God. Me paying is between God and Me
STJ841 2 years ago
You are paying tithes to your God, that is who your pastor is YOUR GOD!!!!!!!!
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
Your pastor is your God, That's who you give your tithes to...........YOUR GOD............the true God does not receive tithes anymore because you are the temple of God now, not the temple in jerusalem where the levitical priests are............come out of carnality
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
@STJ841 well if its not in the Covenant, you have no obligation to it.........we are under law of Christ not Moses, we are not moses disciples but Christs, where did the Apostles say we had to pay tithes please show me...............
PerfectingSaints1 1 year ago
@PerfectingSaints1
Show in the law of christ where he omits tithing. You say alot but you "say" nothing. There is not a single scripture that says we should not tithe, in fact in Matt 23:23 Jesus himself tells the Pharisees to tithe. Not only that, but you fail to see that Jesus is the law of Moses in the flesh.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
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@PerfectingSaints1
Show in the law of christ where he omits tithing. You say alot but you "say" nothing. There is not a single scripture that says we should not tithe, in fact in Matt 23:23 Jesus himself tells the Pharisees to tithe. Not only that, but you fail to see that Jesus is the law of Moses in the flesh.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
@STJ841 So, how about the other Laws? Do they apply too?
Isn't Hebrews 7:18 abolishing the "tithe of the Levites"???
The American Church is powerless man, because we have made a mix of both Covenants.
coolestmcse 1 year ago
PAY tithe? Give, return - yes. PAY - no. Our relationship with God is based on a free gift and then a family relationship. I don't pay my Father. On the other hand there are times when I give my Father things.
I know it doesn't answer the question - but it adds flavour
Peteradvent 2 years ago
@Peteradvent
You dont pay your father, but when you showed him that you were being responsible with your money, you gained favor with him.
pastormtippett 1 year ago
PT1 We can not pay tithes also there is no temple in the word it could only be given to the levites and the levites kick up to the priest look @ my PT2 and past it in a search it's an article w/a Rabbi speaking about tithes even JEWS don't tithes it's all free will offering according to the bible ( I've paid tithes since i was a kid I feel so ooo stupid!) But I'm glad God opened my eyes. My pastor will not rob me anymore! GOD bless now go pay ur billS!
SINGUNTO 2 years ago
PT2 Past this in search>Christians may be in danger of missing salvation itself if they do not pay tithe to the church, Jewish rabbis know better than to say such a thing. They realize that it is biblically improper (actually, it is a blatant disobedience to the laws of the Bible) for anyone to pay or to receive the biblical tithe today. And any minister or ecclesiastical leader who uses the biblical tithe (or any one who pays to a minister the biblical tithe) is a sinner in the eyes of God.
SINGUNTO 2 years ago
From a lot of post I've read ppl believe that we don't tithes BC Yeshua is risen and that was OT. Actually we are not 2do it BC Tithes was not money but the produce from the ground corn oil grain wheat & such. BC the priest/levites had no inheritance N the land the promise land is over in Israel. UR pastor should get SSI or sumtin' they had no support/land in the OT/NT So Yah set up a system to bless them. But now the temple is gone. look up TITHES in answers _._ com Jewish encyclopedia part.
SINGUNTO 2 years ago
I've been saved according to Acts 2:4, 2:38 and i haven't paid tithes in over 25 years. I've been blessed over and over again. I believe in free will offerings. I can't find it nowhere in the new testament to pay tithes to the church. If people want to continue to be deceived, then so be it. If u are giving as God has prospered u, then u are doing the right thing. God bless!
rossdaboss1959 2 years ago
Since when was the old testament erased from our bible, Jesus said this, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matthew 5:17. In Leviticus 27:32 it says, "The entire tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the Lord."
talktomike09 2 years ago
i was deceived in that false teaching of tithing for 3years before i found the truth.i can prove in many scriptures that tithing is not for the church.i give you this malachi 3:9 pastor always scaring the people saying if you don't tithe you will be curse,the next time they say that give them this galatian 3:13 jesus redeemed me from the curse and become a curse for us.according to 2 corinth 9 chapter you can give 10%,20%,30% even a 100% what ever it is in your heart to give.GOD BLESS
elohimthegods33 2 years ago
There is no New Testament scripture that requires or commands Christians to tithe.
Tithing was abolished with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus the Christ.
New Testament Christians, such as the Apostle Paul, did not practice tithing. New Testament Christians practiced voluntary giving and free-will offerings.
I teach on the subject of tithing. I have YouTube videos that shed light on the topic. I invite anyone to check them out.
Peace & Blessings!
YourTitheExpert 2 years ago 2
Gods business is savings souls, and a whole lot more. This business is conducted from his house, it is a home based business, this business has workers, called ministers of God, they devote their whole lives to God and his house. God commands us to pay those workers by tithes and offerings, he says pay tithes so there will be meat in his house, so his workers can eat. We are cursed for not tithing, so be blessed and pay God.
onlyjesusrules 2 years ago
@onlyjesusrules MEAT in my house was realmeat. Astorehouse was not a church it was a place the Levites/priest could eat grain wheat corn & yes meat! Use a Lexicon look up that script store house it's not the Temple/church. They had no inheritance N the promise land so this was their provision over in Israel. That part God will rebuke the devourer it was speaking of Locusts/pestilence/flood /fire oncrops IE tithes who do u know w/A blessing U don't have room4? That meant no room in UR barn over
SINGUNTO 2 years ago
The devil is a liar, he hates God and wants every Christian poor, sick and cursed. God said you are cursed with a curse for robbing God, you build your house and tear Gods house down. You eat to the fill and let Gods ministers go to bed hungry. You pay your utility bill and let the lights go out in Gods house, shame on all of you for robbing God.
onlyjesusrules 2 years ago
Brother, please read your bible and ask God for understanding, you are defending the ones molesting you out of the tool (money) that God is giving you for you to help the poor. Please stop giving your money away to the wolves in sheep's clothing, and obey what the word of God says, give to the POOR!!, The word of God does not commands us to pay tithes and offerings.
God bless and increase your knowledge.
R.
rabriar 2 years ago
Jesus Christ himself did not pay or receive tithes because he wasn't qualified to do so. He didn't descend from the tribe of Levi, neither did he grow crops or herd animals.
Next time tithing comes up in discussion, ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"
llonden2kx 2 years ago 7
Tithing was and is law, Jesus kept the whole law. And Levi had no inheritance but God, it was the 11 other tribes job to provide the ministers of the temple a living. Tithes pay the members of Gods house a paycheck. We are the only ones that can pay that check. if we do not we are cursed. God also said prove me and pay that tithe, and see if I do not open the windows of heaven and pour a blessing that there will not be room enough to receive. Why not Give God a chance to prove himself to you.
onlyjesusrules 2 years ago
Again, the problem is that you do not understand scripture.
Please allow me to help you here, read Heb 7, ONLY Levitites had the commandment to receive tithes and offerings according to the law, and after the death of Jesus, no other man received commandment to do so, yet these so called pastors are declaring themselves to be Levitites!
Read the entire chapter 7,8 and 9 of Hebrews, and humbly ask God for understanding, cause my brother, you are trying to discuss things you know not,
God bless
R
rabriar 2 years ago
@llonden2kx
Jesus told the Pharisees that they Tithed food, from the spices in their garden. Then he told them that they had neglected more important things.
I have yet to hear the Church saying that Tithers neglect things that are more important. Then the Church says that they believe in and follow Jesus.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@llonden2kx
Amen! The Bible says that only those who grew or raised food had to Tithe. Jesus did not Tithe. His disciples (fishermen and a former tax collector) did not Tithe. The Apostle Paul, a Tent Maker, did not Tithe.
Teaching that everyone has to Tithe the first tenth of their gross income is a lie not found in the Bible. The firstfruit is not the Tithe. And both the firstfruit and the Tithe was FOOD, not money.
The Church struggles so hard because it teaches lies instead of the truth.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
A great and biblical inspired question. You will receive a lot of nonsensical answers, even some intelligent ones too. None of them will provide the answer to your question. Do you want to know why this is the case? The answer is straight forward there is no scripture in the new testament that commands we pay the tithe.
God bless
Remi
rsofola 2 years ago 5
Greetings, I have to agree that there are no scriptures in the NT that requires us to pay tithes, but not only in the NT, if we read the rules for tithes and offerings we quickly realize that even using the OT we can preach against paying tithes and offerings to these wolves in sheep's clothing.
Any man who charges money to preach the word of God is a wolf. "Freely ye have received, freely give" is just one of many scriptures.
God Bless and keep you all.
R.
rabriar 2 years ago
Satan has blinded the whole world, and steals from Gods house, he burns down churches and hates tithing. He hates faithful Christians paying for Gods houses needs, its bills, the poor preachers giving it all to build Gods house and going to bed hungry, because greedy faithless hypocrites robbing God of his tithe. But I am rich and pay my tithe praise God for his blessing on my house as I bless his house with a dime out of every dollar my father gives me. If your poor, if your cursed, pay God.
onlyjesusrules 2 years ago
Have you ever read the bible? it is written to lay aside a tithe and offering the first of each week as God has prospered you. The book of acts is filled with stories of people giving an offering to God, and some that held back some of the offering out of greed and dropped dead because they lied that they gave all, when they really only gave a small part.
onlyjesusrules 2 years ago
Brother the problem with you is that you do not understand scripture.
You are being misguided into believing a lie, read the scriptures and ask God to open your understanding.
Peradventure, He will open it,and then you'll begin to understand scriptures such as Heb 13:10-25, also Heb 7,8 and 9
Don't be like Simon, trying to buy the gift of God, salvation is free!!. God does not need any man's money for His will to come to pass.
Read, please!
May God bless you and open your your understanding.
R.
rabriar 2 years ago
Nowhere in the New Testament there a command, a suggestion, or an act in a verse of scripture that christians are to pay tithes to any body anywhere! Jesus Christ, Paul the Apostle, and all of the other disciples taught to give to the poor, remember the poor, because when you give to the poor you give to God, because God does not need your money, God needs your life. Tithes and offerings were for the Jews, alms and charity are for christians. Give out of love for God and people.
Jesusdcipl 2 years ago 3
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Paying tithes so that a Pope can run around in HIV ravaged Third World countries to dispense his infallible wisdom on the sinfulness of condom use. Fuck a tithe.
award3557 2 years ago
ok, i was told if i did not tithe I will have bad luck (curse0 its almost as if I am receiving a voiced chain letter. I give to people who needs help with something at their home or help with the australian fire by giving the red cross money to help out.This past weekend a friend of ours brought us food in about 5 bags. I have a great job and a great marriage etc... I am blessed fully! i have peace and i did not give money to church for a long long time. explain that huh?
aubhar 2 years ago
that makes sense, because the bible wants us to give to the poor and needy if they are unable to do for themselves (Psalm 41:1)
MRsaxuallyactive 2 years ago 2
Don't pay anything. Lets try this for a change - ask your pastor to pay tithes to you for a year and watch the look on his face. REMEMBER THE LOOK. Now the look that you see should be the same attitude you should have toward these lying legally sanctioned PIMPS and their so-called houses of worship. I give 10% of my profits to a scholarship fund that assists Black college students to cover their remaining costs of tuition and books. Better than paying for some pastor's Bentley.
award3557 3 years ago
many pastor pay tithes, and a real man of God would
DivinelyGifted 2 years ago
17 For we are not as the majority, who are peddling the word of God, but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God in Christ, are we speaking.
SwordofManticorE 2 years ago
Sweetheart, you are free in Christ. Don't let greedy pastors pimp you into giving 10% of your paycheck every week for the rest of your life to them. Nowhere in the new testament say that you should tithe. Tithing was part of the law that Jesus free you from. Pastors are afraid to teach the truth because they can't fund their church. They rather manipulate their members instead of live in faith. Give whatever your heart desire and it can be other things besides money like food, clothes, etc.
DERBENJ 3 years ago
Luke 11:42 (New International Version) 42"Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Jesus said that we are to exemplify the justice and the love of God without neglecting the Laws of Moses. Just because we are living under Grace now, that does not excuse us from the Law.
beckid75 3 years ago