pendulum. Its a GD pendulum. I can tie a string to a boot, hang it from the ceiling, set it in motion and achieve similar results because the Earth is spinning at 1000 MPH. Neither my boot nor this device can generate a single volt of electricity. If it freed just one extra electron for energy, thousands of years of physics go out the window.
@cjsveningsson This concerns an artistic kinetic art discovery which implies that a machine can self-operate for 14 days on a level we have difficulty with to explain scientifically. I never said this is a scientific discovery. Scientifically the Finsrud machine is just a hint, not more. The real science of testing hypothesis and theories indeed is something completely different, Finsrud has no clue about nor does he pretend to. To him the PM thing was just a hobby.
Why do people love to dissect an idea that may possibly change the future to better ourselves but instead to regress into destruction dictated by the greed that motivates our demisze!! Take your heads out of your asses for once....
@fireforthought Why do people like to dissect ideas? Thats the entire nature of science which we would NEED if this were to ever be something to "change the future." Unfortunately, this device doesn't hold up to scrutiny, its a glorified pendulum and pendulums don't generate power. Even if this were perpetual motion, your missing the point of perpetual motion which is 100% energy efficiency. The moment you try and take power (generate electricity) it would dip below 100 and slow down.
@frithwks Occam's razor concerns the principle of not going beyond necessity, then you have to wonder why he gave all the trouble to built such a complicated machine, something like George Delk's would have been a much simpler kinetic artwork thing. He is an idealist type who really wants to make a difference. No, I am sure he at least gave it a serious try and has presented the results. Maybe he hides a drive, but it is still a hell of a job to present such a delicate balance of forces.....
If this a perpetuum mobile would be, then Finsrud would build it in his reception hall. But in this room he only has a stirling motor for impressing the visitors.
@XxWhoopiexX Actually it is in an old vault in the basement, in a glass showcase to exclude vibrations of traffic and visitors as much as possible not to disturb the delicate balance of the machine.
If this is real, then manufacture and sell them to the public. Hell I would pay a nice sum of money for this even if was a hoax because I think it is very classy and would look good in my home.
In other words, prove to the world on a forum other than YT by selling them, letting us set it up, inspect if for a power source, and if it quits running after time, then we know it is just a wonderful energy conservation device. If it needs a battery, then we know it is a wonderful drive mechanism.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change form. This means that technically it is possible to create a machine which can function forever if it was able to prevent any energy from excaping it into another form. To achieve this there is one thing you would absolutely require which is abscent from this video and that one thing is a perfect vacuum. Unfortunately we can not create a perfect vacuum. It may run for a very long time but not forever.
@kurisu925 The idea is to convert space energy, time energy, vacuum energy or whatever you call it. The point is we do not know but this example of any successful conversion process. Machines wear out, so perpetual motion is more a natural law of time. Nature is the big machine forever. The vacuum is present everywhere in the background. Once you know how to address that vacuum the atmosphere won't be any problem.
@anandaadhar The idea of zero point energy stems from the fact that energy can not be created nor destroyed and also that the universe contains all energy in existance. The idea is that eventually gravity will pull all of the matter in the universe back to a single point carrying with it all of the energy in the universe as it falls into the last remaining black hole. All of the matter inside this black hole would be under such pressure that it has broken down into subatomic particles.
@anandaadhar The more energy the black hole consumes the more energy is transfered to these subatomic particles untill they have enough energy to escape the black hole's gravity forming another big bang. Thus energy and the universe itself are perpetual. However even this does not give us any way of creating energy where none previously existed.
@kurisu925 You are the only one who speaks of creating energy. It is not possible indeed. But conversion of energies is a known fact, even though we don't know all of it.
@anandaadhar The point is all this machine can do is lose energy over time because it's energy will be converted into another form via friction. Even if it's bearings where perfectly frictionless which they are not it would still lose energy to the friction with the air around it. It simply takes it longer to lose all of it's energy than it does for it to require maintenance.
@kurisu925 You must look differently at this one: vertically. All of your reasoning is horizontally oriented according to the laws of thermodynamics. Closed systems thus. Perpetual motion concerns an open system which from above manages to catch the restlessness of the universe. Our common scientific mindset is not ready for this and the proof is inconclusive. But to say in advance that it cannot be is simply disbelief, not science.
@anandaadhar The difference between verticle and horizontal is nothing more than you'r perception. It has no relevance as to the machines operation. Ever since man first learned how to build mechanical devices there have been attempts at achieving perpetual motion. All of these attempts have failed, Even Finsrund himself sid that the longest he ever got his machine to run was 14 days.
@kurisu925 More perspective than perception. It's about a different perspective,that of non-causal coherence. Read Irvin Laszlo about this. It is serious science argued about in quantum physics. Top down means you reason from an open system sensitive to time influences of the universe. That Finsrud's machine is not perfect is no argument to refute the fact that perpetual motion is possible. Improvement of his principles of operation very well might lead to a more solid success replicable to all.
@anandaadhar You do realize ofcourse that quantum physics is in dealing with the interactions between matter on the subatomic scale right? Conventional physics still works just fine for conventional machines like the one in the video.
@kurisu925 The point is that if this thing is true a conversion of energy at the quantum level must be taking place here. From the dark proto-matter of gravitons e.g. to kinetic energy or so. An unknown law of manifestation or of time energy. Quantum foam conversion or dark energy conversion or something....who knows? To say it is a fraud is so easy.....
@anandaadhar I have searched everywhere man. I have never once found even a single instance of anyone working on a "free energy" (Proper term "Overunity") machine that did not later turn out to be a fraud. Some end up in prison for pretending to sell machines that they never even send, others sell plans with out actually promising that the machine functions to take advantage of loop holes in the law, and otheres simply claim that they need more funding for research they never intend to do.
@anandaadhar And yes it is easy to say something is a fraud when you can so easily look up a man's criminal history these days. A simple back ground check on the people pushing the scam will usually be far more than any reasonable person needs to see them for what they are. Maybe you ought to give it a try. By the way... this particular machine only ran for a maximum of about 14 days before it needed to be restarted. It is desinged only to hold on to it's initial energy as long as possible.
@xrayt3ch the photo was shot when it worked for 6 weeks. It worked thereafter too of course. Maintenance to keep it clean and fixed is necessary. All material presence is fallible and imperfect. As such forget about perpetual motion, be concerned about the reality of space energy conversion. What is this machine doing? Where does the energy come from to keep it going? Is Finsrud a liar claiming it magnetically restless with no support engine? That is the proper question.
It is not a perpetual machine, besides the laws of physics not allowing it, the magnates would eventually loos the magnetic pool and need to be re magnetized, thus no long perpetual since the magnets would eventually loose the pull and the ball would stop
@MW2Failure Whatever you say, it still perpetually moves since 1996. Why denounce an obvious success because there is wear and tear? Now be fair and answer the question where the energy comes from that is used all the time.... stop denying and face the fact. Has it ever occurred to you that Maxwell's laws are maybe not complete? Where are the ones describing the essence of time and gravity?
My theori: Finsrud's machine is no more magical than the brushless motor used in your computer fan. The pendulums is actuated by electromagnets (coils) hidden under the base plate. Clever, a piece of modern art and a provocateur - yes. But unfortunately no perpetual machine.
@anandaadhar As said it's my guess. Based upon my technical knowledge and the fact that no one has a documented perpetual device (documented != mechanism must be 100% understood but it must be documented that batteries, magnets, springs etc. overall not loose energi).
@HifiCentret While many claims to have one or be able to build one there's always troubles. Either they need more money (even though all seems to be build from cheap materials!?!) or more work and then there's all those who claim to have build one and has the knowledge but cannot publish either machine nor build plans for others to replicate because of everything from FBI to Aliens do not want them to.
If I had such a machine It'd take me 2 seconds or so to spread it all over the internet.
yes, seems it works, its using coriolis power, check an version of the faucault pendulum in Deutsche Museuum Munchen, he needs 3 pendulums arranged in an equal sided triangle to catch 100% shifting power out of the earth rotational spin (leading moment) to give the ball the required push. sometimes the ball may give a pendulum a push, but in total the ball will be pushed a bit more. as lont the earth rotates it is running (not at equator). Well done from an artists view...impressive work
He is to busy to answer scientific questions? If there are detailed plans are they any other working units? Is this unit open for examination by scientists? I would say that this device has a hidden coil just to give one of the pendulems a slight push.
@Texmurphy51 The base of the machine is closed. It cannot be examined. There is the building plan showing the magnet array in there. But there are no photo's of how it actually looks like. Indeed he should have made a plexiglass window in the base to show the all-magnet setup he claims. Now we keep this doubt that the artist plays a game of illusion, which they usually do. Whether he is a liar or not we cannot determine unfortunately any other way but by replication.
@anandaadhar Well if he Actually has discovered a secret source of power & is keeping it to himself then he is the most selfish man alive. The world needs it. I Believe he is taking the license of a Magician to conceal the Illusion of whats happening. No Scientist has been able to theorize or generate power from magnets so I think its just like the other machines on youtube , bogus.
@anandaadhar I have never heard that anywhere but here but it could be. Newton was steeped in Alchemy so I guess no matter how smart you are your limited to whats known in your time, (1920s for Heisnberg), & your beliefs. Quantum Theory has a lot of Statistics in it & frankly I think its not what "Really" happening but is able to explain it in a wierd sort of way. I am not saying that we cant draw power from atomic force but I dont think a simple magnet is going to do it.
@Texmurphy51 Yeah, if we are honest, we have to say we do not know. That according Socrates is the foundation of all sound science. And thats why we speculate and try. What else should we do? Resign?
@anandaadhar I agree with speculation & experiment. Never say something is impossible. This howerver is not what is happening. People are creating so called Free Energy devices, presenting them, then when asked to show them under controlled conditions they say NO. Stating various reasons, usually not to reveal the "secret" Many Many have been proven Fake, such as Mylow, then when the inventor wants to sell Plans or Kits, you KNOW its Fake.
@Texmurphy51 Yes there is the possibility that Finsrud uses this machine as a makebelief thing just to promote the interests of his gallery. I mentioned this in the video as the option that he might have sold his soul to the devil lying about the veracity of the all-magnet nature of the thing. Still that option does not exclude the possibility that he speaks the truth anyway. Another option is that this machine is the result of a very sincere trial he wants to keep as inspiration and direction.
@anandaadhar If he does have such a device & is keeping it from society then he is a very very selfish person. If he wants to make money so be it, otherwise give it away. I think its more likely that its a magic trick.
@Texmurphy51 I hope you're wrong, but who takes the challenge to prove right from wrong in this? We're not proud of faillures, except for Finsrud maybe then.
@anandaadhar The challange should be given to the inventor since there are no working replicas dispite plans being published. There are endless claims of Free Energy devices on Youtube. Why should one waste time building them to prove concept. It should be the inventors job to prove it.
@Texmurphy51 Well he's old-aged and doesn't care about that scientific duty of delivering proof. He's an eco-conscious artist with a negative opinion about standard science being too theoretical, reductionistic, destructive and ulterior motivated... Too material etc. He is happy with his accomplishment and wants no further fuzz about it. Its up tp you to take up the challenge or not. So what do you do?
@anandaadhar Not much of an eco freak if he does not care to release his secret to Free Power. Look, there a many Genius level people out there who have not been able to fine any method of extracting energy from magnets. There is nuclear energy, thats why cold fusion idea took off.
Just because the principals can be demonstrated at low cost doesn't make them cheap misconceptions.
I too think there may be rotating or pulsed magnets in the base to move the pendulums. But the ball moves very smoothly over the track, even near the horse shoe magnets, indicating that they are not permanent magnets - if they were the ball would never even make it passed the first one.
Another give away is that the video maker has spotted the exact 'off the self' electro magnetics used.
Failing that we have; the fact the Finsrud never applied for a patent, which if he had truly invented a PM machine would have made him a fortune; videos like this... watch?v=kXmmNE5tscs&feature=related
and also; that tiny matter of friction, which means any closed system eventually loses all its energy to heat.
And who says this is a closed system? it works precisely because it is not so. The source indeed is the question, fraud cannot be excluded. Artists may do this, they are masters of illusion, eventhough lying on the show also for them is pathological. That's why I am a psychologist. We seem to be stuck on this type of character...... artists of whom we cannot be sure whether they lie or not.
Well of course it's not actually a closed system! It's a trick. That is its whole point! It looks like a classic Heath-Robinson impossible perpetual motion device. The power source and means of operation are cunningly concealed. That is why I called it a parlour trick, a phrase which I thought neatly conveyed these ideas.
It isn't really fraudulent because I gather he never tricked anyone out of money. Do watch this YouTube video for a hint at how it can be done.
I know that video. This is a cheap misconception not doing justice to the balancing act of Finsrud's. If there is cheating on the side of Finsrud, he will have a motor in the base, not something hidden electric in the track itself or in the feedback magnets of the vibratory unit.
@chrisofnottingham you're an idiot if you don't think this is a real perpetuum. It obviously is. The video never said the system doesn't use energy or lose it. It simply uses gravity as its main source of energy.
@PistonHonda319 In that case I must be an idiot. Gravity can't be used as a source of energy perpetually because it only converts into other energy as long as a mass is moving downwards (into a lower energy state). There is obviously a limit to how long anything moving downwards can be sustained. And in the case of a cyclic system with no external forces, it is one revolution at most.
@PistonHonda319 Don't tell me... It's using magnets as a source of energy?!! Like when you stick a magnet to the fridge door and it uses all that power to continually overcome gravity!! Go on, surprise me do, but just don't use the "M" word.
If this was a perpetual motion machine it would be possible to put a simple mechanism just outside the ball's path that would generate a charge from the airflow as the ball passes and store it in an internal magnetic field (so as there is no power loss from batter drain) and then direct this current back into the mechanism to increase the tilt-speed of the track.
No matter how small the increase in charge and thus tilt speed the mechanism would become exponentially more energetic....
.....and get progressively faster until eventually the magnetic field was strong enough to blow up the entire universe.
This is not perpetual motion. This ball spinning a track could not blow the universe up. This is because there is no perpetual motion, because there is no free energy.
This machine is just an example of how illiterate people can be regarding physics.
I do not need to act to prove this is not PM. I have an executive desk toy that works in exactly this way, by a small magnetic impulse when the pendulum passes over. A magnet is similar to a spring in its characteristics, so I continue to be amazed that people think it is the route to PM. Forget Heisenberg and just accept that PM is impossible. Why don't you simply ask Finsrud for access and prove to yourself it is a fake. My point is made and I will not post any more on this subject.
The simple proof that this is PM would be to permit unfettered access to the machine by a qualified engineer ( myself ) and a magician. Any engineer knows that PM is impossible as it breaks the laws of physics, so he will be able to identify where the frictional losses occur and where the power is being inputted. The magician will be able to identify where misdirection is taking place. Of course, Finsrud will never allow such access.
No Heisenberg said that he thinks a magnet motor is possible, Thus we keep trying, period. PM means space energy conversion into kinetic energy with the help of magnets. No law is violated. Only the magnetic lock must be broken. That is the trouble. Quantum mechanics has no problem with the theory of quantum foam processing The knowhow we don't have. Finsrud might be cheating or he might not. There is logic to it and paradigmatic dogmatism can't undo that logic. Logic is theory it must be proven
If you are a qualified engineer, it is your honor to act, not talk, and thus replicate and so be definitive about whether this is just kinetic art with a lie or a science accomplishment with an artistic escapist.
@anandaadhar I would think breaking the magnetic lock would require as much energy as exists in the magnetic lock in the first place. If these two quantities are equal, then friction will eventually cause the machine to reach equilibrium, at rest. I do believe energy may exist in the nature of space itself, but I doubt this is the way to reach into it.
This is one of the best fake PM machines built in modern times, and it has clearly taken in many people. Finsrud is a brilliant engineer but this is not PM. The clue to the energy source is in the Maintenance (2). Why should it be necessary to 'redo the resin fix in the base'? The base includes a simple electro-magnetic circuit that energises the pendulums, giving them a small kick on each pass. Maintenance allows an exchange of battery. QED.
You could be right, you could be wrong.... Is Finsrud a liar or not? That is the question. George Delk I couldn't replicate offering his PM with the same principle, but much simpler. He was replicable. This kind of set-up could very well be the ideal way to fake the PMi demonstrated with Delk's, but how can we be sure? Dogmatism never lead out of a paradigm. For sure artists are masters of illusion and Finsrud is one, but still that doesn't prove him a liar.
News! Finsrud has been confirmed! It seems that George Delk from the US has confirmed Finsrud with the perpetual motion of a pendulum managed with magnets. I will try to replicate the thing to make sure that this is no make-belief. Is this the replicable PM version? We will see... See watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4
I couldn't prove his PM right though replicating him. Has he replicated Finsrud in the kinetic art-style? His machine was artfully crafted. With the certainty of a hidden drive one is much freer in making it as beautiful as one can.... so as for now Finsrud is an artist and Delk replicated that. It is kinetic art until someone discovers that Reidar spoke the truth and Delk was just having fun with it.
Please..Everyone making a movie and putting text in it. Please, for the love of God, put a stroke on the font or put a contrasting background; it's not hard. It should not be next to impossible to read your text. It is too painful to try and read it as it is.
my idea is you have to put a coil so that it helps to to push the magnet opposite reaction then to continue the motion just a little motion its a big help to push the magnet then continue moving by magnet to magnet with the opposite reaction sorry if im not good in english
There are so many things to try, and science leaves it all with holding fast to the rules or laws as one calls them. But still an eventual breaktthrough there wil be from this experimenter's side, not from those who don't try at all.
I don't have the skills to replicate Finsrud, it is a masterpiece of balancing. You need to be a damn good enigineer and a very patient and devoted artist who likes to play this game invented by Finsrud. I have to follow my own course with the IPMM. My attempts at implementing the IPMM with a pendulum as yet have failed...to start something is not that difficult, but to finish this game with success, without cheating? That is the problem...
Brilliant! Nice video -- I saw Reidar Finsrud's video some time back and it's great to find your video explaining how it works. Good luck with your own experiments. I'm pretty sure you're right that this is tapping into dynamism in space time. Harold Aspden and Myron Evans both have theories about this.
Your work is great...keep on going, dont give up!....just one question..are you still using harddrive to spin wheel with moon magnets? because, If I'm not wrong, correct me if i am...harddrive motor will resist to the spining, beause it has magnets and coils (if you didnt removed them) and acctualy produce electricity...right?
I for one believe in P. Motion, otherwise how do you explain the billions of years of planetary movement. Has anyone ever tried to replicate this machine, or are you giving it a go? Very good choice of music and a good presentation. Thanks!
At the end of the movie you see me trying my own way. I don't see a possibility to copy this design, but I try to copy this principle of gravito-manetic restlessness with my IPMM series. yes he is an inspiration.
As far as I can see, this device will run as long as:
1. It is affected by gravity
2. The magnets retain their magnetic fields.
Granted, apparently magnets will eventually run out of magnetic force, so perhaps this can't truly be called a perpetual motion machine, however, regardless of that it's a mechanically beautiful system and it's quite lovely to watch.
Ahhh, but E = mc^2 says that all energy has mass - though we are all arguing with different versions of the physics here. I don't believe in general space time curvature, I believe in the ZPF which says that empty space always tends to zero sum energy and that relativity is a purely local effect. The joke is that relativity is restricted by the speed of light. I actually do understand QM. -
I understand quantum mechanics, both the probabilistic and non-probabilistic models. The non-probabilistic model says that energy still cant be created or destroyed (though it can jump in time) so over unity is not really possible. Energy in the quantum vacuum always comes from somewhere else - FTL space, time space compression, the evaporation of matter into energy, etc.
Yes the energy of the vacuum is there from the primal difference between the expansion and contraction of the universe. These two basic forces with expansion being the bigger one are responsible for all the energy in the unverse. In the end it is all time energy. The clue of the matter is that matter came from somewhere as a condensation of a primordial form of matter, dark matter maybe. I adhere to a hierarchical QM model in which everything bifurcates into the final diversity of creation.
Many years ago before I understood physics I believed this kind of thing was possible. If you could really extract energy from gravity you would be extracting it from the earths gravity field and the only way to do that is through E = mc^2.
Not only is this very difficult but if you could do it you have a very good chance of starting a chain reaction that would destroy the whole planet (by converting its mass to energy).
This time E=mc2 does not apply for the energy is not from matter but from space. So no mass is lost, just a little space energy. Since there is a constant expansion of space in the universe, there is no problem to harness this time energy which is extra and really free. Study quantum physics to discover the potential of space energy.
No lead out of energy in this case, a pure balance that may not be disturbed, just a proof of principle, that is all. It is of scientific importance, it breaks Eintsein's relativity principle but is not directly of any practical value. Diallel means towards the center directed like all stars in the galaxy. We are investigating whether we can use these principles in a more practical manner. This as yet is just kinetic art. Only a copy proves it scientific. Till then it's a nice illusion.
They need a battery because perpetual motion on this scale IS impossible. But If you can get twice as much "energy" as what you're using, the principal still stands, which is what he is doing with this machine.
I don't where the energy for Finsrud's elegant art work comes from but I'm suspicious of the large, heavy compressed spring. That could store a lot of energy. I doubt that the magnets run down or that it runs from thermal changes. I can't see anything to suggest some unusual or unknown force which is making this beautiful machine run.
You again? Ya, thats right! You dont know nothing about anything - zero, nil - and thats why you are always coming back mumbling senseless ideas. Forget it, sister, you are outdated and happy about it - so thats all said. This is more than a beatiful machine - this is a human savier concept.
Sorry, OK. Well, Finsrud is an artist and his machine is artwork. It is lovely to look at but it won't save anyone or anything except from boredom.
If you aren't familiar with the concepts of force, work and energy, I suggest an on line physics class at a very starting level. These are concepts well worked out at the time of Newton! And they have not changed for normal sized objects since. Magnetism is not a source of energy. Magnets can store energy but they don't generate it.
Apparently they can alternate their force with gravity pulses so that the energy of space is converted into kinetic energy... Indeed astonishing and it baffles standard physics. Several laws of nature turn out to be mere principles to which there are exceptions as we can see with Finsrud. If Finsrud doesn't lie about the magnetic drive in the base, we are dealing with nothing short of a newly discovered law of nature that says Et = Fmag x Fg. Of course you cannot find that one in the textbooks.
This time energy law in words: time energy is the product of magnetic force and the force of gravity. Who will be the first to corroborate this one with an experimental setup proving Finsrud truthfull? That is the challenge here. It is no science to refute this saying that it is not what we are used to. Finsrud confirms: 'Of course it is odd". Yes. It is simply something we don't understand until this law is proven by experiments in respect of the principles of operation as laid out by Finsrud
Too complicated for me to understand this great work of art's function. But I do seem to see that it's effectively draining the magnet's power to keep the ball rolling.
Or, are the magnets never ever changed during maintenance? Then I need to re-think :-)
No the magnets are only repositioned because they get loose in the resin they are fixed in. The magnets provide no power by the way, they organize the space energy, they create a dipole in that chaotic energy and that is what the machine utilizes, balancing with gravity adding the momentum of the ball to the inertial mass disturbing the equilibrium.
They structure the energy of space, they are a kind of medium or valve or gate to it. They are not used up therefore. Over time they use their effect though because of the natural realigning of the created polariy. They deliver that other force next to gravity . Together two forces make energy here. That is how it seems to work.
You mean that Stirling engine next to his reception desk running on the energy of a light bulb? That is something completely different. It is not connected to the device downstairs. It is in a secured vault. Just to exclude outside interference with the operation. But maybe you are right, with an artist we cannot be sure that he is not a liar. Artists play with illusions. That it true. maybe he mocks us believers in magnetic overunity. Who can tell? Only the replicator, nobody else. Are you one?
In theory, it's possible to use a pendulum to harness energy from the rotation of the planet. This is more noticeable at greater latitudes and disappears at the equator. ASU has a large pendulum on a wire. If you start it swinging in at a certain angle and then check back a few hours later, the angle will have changed by a predictable amount based on the latitude of the pendulum.
There's a patent for harnessing the rotational energy of the planet. Use would slow earth's rotation. Do it!
Please explain how this device could possibly work. That is explain what force is doing enough positive work on the ball to keep it moving, to offset the work done by the NON CONSERVATIVE FORCE of friction. Also keep in mind that magnetic and gravitational fields are conservative fields. Meaning that as the ball travels all the way through them NO work is done on the ball... Further, please use standard terms such as force, acceleration, energy, ..., So we all know what the hell you are talking
about. Please do not use the nomenclatures of pseudoscience. The term flux is acceptable provided you use it in it's correct context. Which is the "amount" of field passing through a reigon. More rigorously, it is the respective field vector dotted with an area vector (has the magnitude of area and is in a direction normal to the long axis of a shape containing the reigon you are talking about). So please clearly are concisely tell us how perpetual motion works...
Finsrud breaks the reativity principle that equates inertial force with gravitational mass. He refutes Einstein in fact, or better, he shows us an alternative that states that the two conservative forces of gravity and magnetsm together can deliver a restless machine that catches the time energy of the universe. According modern ether theories, the virtual energy of space consists of two basic forms of time.: the outward and inward going movement of the universe.
These two basic forces constitute the energy of space that in this machine is converted into kinetic energy. Let's say a clock that directly adresses time as is is in nature. Look at space as a protomaterial primal reality from which the material reality as we know it condensed. Because this relative primordial ether is not material it could not be detected by Michelson's lightspeedexperiment. But we cannot accept physics stating that something doesn't exist when a wrong test has been performed
reativity principle = relativity principle. It is lso known as the equivalence principle ever since Galileo Galilei started about it and I. Newton neglected the difference. Bruce DePalma of the N-machine that was replicated by P. Tewari, conducted an experiment in which he found that a spinning steel ball shoots farther or less far than a non-spinning ball depending the direction of spin. Thus he broke the relativity principle. He was ousted by the scientific community for that was "impossible"!
In the operating machine Finsrud uses the diamagnetic properties of the steel ball to keep, with the help of a vibratory system, a chaos pendulum with a track attached to it restless while he with gravity directed and pulsed magnets keeps control over the speed of the ball. That is what he does here. Thus you have perpetual motion according the formula given in the purple text of the video. Even if he fakes it with a motor in the base, it is a masterpiece of construction.
What reason is there to think that the aether actually exists? What evidence do you base you support of the aether on? Also, the energy of space, is potential energy. It is energy that is associated with that point in space. To actually make use of it, you would have to do work to move an object there... I am not going to argue it anymore. I think that perpetual motion is non sense. You obviously do not. When you run a successful experiment, I will appologize to you and make a video proclaiming
Thanks! Einstein himself in 1920 said in leyden in a lecture: "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense."
I was under the impression that Einstein showed that the aether was unecessary. Even, though we regard Einstein as a physicist, singular in his talent, as almost like a physics GOD; you must also remember he was a human being, and as such quite falible. He fought so hard against quantum mechanics, which was ultimately the most successful theory in physics
Thats right, i agree with you on basics but you see magnetism and gravity as two different sources of "energy" but im not that sure. Im not sure what are the real juice between conceps like force, energy and work.
Two conservative forces, gravity and magnetism together making kinetic energy out of the space energy that was organized by the magnets, that is what we see with Finsrud.
Another way of stating it is that between these two different conservative natural forces there is a time difference that is caught in this machine. A great, historic accomplishment indeed.
anti gravity occurs at about 1 tera hertz, so on this basis PM isn't going to fly at a slow speed.
Towit I can sustain a magnetic pendulum for a year powered by a zinc carbon size "D" cell, and with magnetic feedback I can make it go for 5 years but that's like 2 cycles per sec.
But I do remember a Tesla device where Tesla took a plate of highly polished copper , 1 meter square, and drew in energy from the ether, non stop, forever, I don't think the copper would wear out.
Capacitors have the an effect if you discharge a capacitor totally it will charge back up slightly by itself so you can discharge it again, then it will charge back up. you can do this forever. Try it with a 20KVDC capacitor. It's dark energy I been talking about. Dark matter.
Yes the capital interest blocked his free energy project, the Wardenlyffe project: a big tower would freely distribute electrical energy all over the world wireless! He also made the first electrical car running on space energy. He was accused of black magic and withdrew the car again.
My estimate is that there is a single small coil and a magnetic triggering mechanism to turn on the coil when one of the pendulums swings by, giving it more energy. A dozen D cells may store enough energy to run the mobile for months with a highly efficient setup.
The big unanswered question about the Wardenlyffe tower that nobody asks: If you are going to "power the world", where do you get your source power for the tower? 500 coal-fired electrical plants in the area around the tower???
If you don't give Finsrud the advantage of doubt that could be an answer. As yet I do not consider him a liar.
Tesla worked with the natural atmospheric differences ofpotential that gives us lighning as well. No, Wardenclyffe was operated by radiant energy as ar as I know.
Have you any idea how a quantum mechanical generator running magnets will look like? As far as I know Searl pretends to know, but we don't see his SEG thing running on its own graviton suck or electron swing of space energy.
Well Finsrud says it runs on magnets and gravity, perpetual motion is a manner of speaking when you don't use another source than the relative ether for the input. Of course the machine wears off. As such pm doesn't exist. Only God has a pm: the universe. He is the original patent holder.
Very interesting, but this machine is not a perpetual motion BECAUSE there are some magnets on it, and thoses magnets are going to loose their magnetic fields...
A true perpetual motion NEVER uses magnets, sorry.
That's what you think. What we see is perpetual motion based on magnets and gravity. Fact is fact, Criteria of definition are something different. My interest is the proof that there can be perpertual motion based upon magnets. It proves the ether that, to our detriment, is forgotten by science.
Man, this is NOT a perpetual motion. Look for the definition, and you will see i am right.
You are talking about facts but you don't want to see that magnets will stops around 300 and 400 years... A perpetual motion ? Ridiculous !... Its a perpetual motion which lasts 400 years, hahaha ! You don't want to see facts and you know undestand what is a perpetual motion, man.
Now, i know that magnets can help making moving things for a long time, BUT, once again, this is NOT perpetual, sorry.
Who cares what your opion is, these words of you? I just want this (as good as) perpetual motion of this machine, because it a break of the laws of conservation. I know the material wears out before the magnets do. Do you get the point? i know the universe is the only perpetual motion that is eternal. But the proof of overunity is enough for me. We look for ether proof.
It must be said, though, that as long as the total kinetic output over the 300 to 400 year life of the magnets is greater than the total energy required to produce them plus the energy required to initially start the machine, then the reaction is, in a sense, perpetual.
pendulum. Its a GD pendulum. I can tie a string to a boot, hang it from the ceiling, set it in motion and achieve similar results because the Earth is spinning at 1000 MPH. Neither my boot nor this device can generate a single volt of electricity. If it freed just one extra electron for energy, thousands of years of physics go out the window.
BrandonFound 2 weeks ago
You, my sir, have absolutely no clue about how scientific discovery works
cjsveningsson 1 month ago
@cjsveningsson This concerns an artistic kinetic art discovery which implies that a machine can self-operate for 14 days on a level we have difficulty with to explain scientifically. I never said this is a scientific discovery. Scientifically the Finsrud machine is just a hint, not more. The real science of testing hypothesis and theories indeed is something completely different, Finsrud has no clue about nor does he pretend to. To him the PM thing was just a hobby.
anandaadhar 1 month ago
The Universe probably won't let more than one of these devices exist.
shubus 2 months ago
Why do people love to dissect an idea that may possibly change the future to better ourselves but instead to regress into destruction dictated by the greed that motivates our demisze!! Take your heads out of your asses for once....
fireforthought 2 months ago
@fireforthought Why do people like to dissect ideas? Thats the entire nature of science which we would NEED if this were to ever be something to "change the future." Unfortunately, this device doesn't hold up to scrutiny, its a glorified pendulum and pendulums don't generate power. Even if this were perpetual motion, your missing the point of perpetual motion which is 100% energy efficiency. The moment you try and take power (generate electricity) it would dip below 100 and slow down.
BrandonFound 2 weeks ago
@frithwks Occam's razor concerns the principle of not going beyond necessity, then you have to wonder why he gave all the trouble to built such a complicated machine, something like George Delk's would have been a much simpler kinetic artwork thing. He is an idealist type who really wants to make a difference. No, I am sure he at least gave it a serious try and has presented the results. Maybe he hides a drive, but it is still a hell of a job to present such a delicate balance of forces.....
anandaadhar 6 months ago
@frithwks He's from Norway, that is true, but it could also be a frustration of not getting across what is true.
anandaadhar 6 months ago
It's a very good work! But consider:
If this a perpetuum mobile would be, then Finsrud would build it in his reception hall. But in this room he only has a stirling motor for impressing the visitors.
XxWhoopiexX 6 months ago
@XxWhoopiexX Actually it is in an old vault in the basement, in a glass showcase to exclude vibrations of traffic and visitors as much as possible not to disturb the delicate balance of the machine.
anandaadhar 6 months ago
I think it stopped after 14 days or something didn't it? because of friction
XTCMatrix 11 months ago
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@XTCMatrix "I think it stopped after 14 days or something didn't it? because of friction"
The batteries ran out.
chrisofnottingham 8 months ago
If this is real, then manufacture and sell them to the public. Hell I would pay a nice sum of money for this even if was a hoax because I think it is very classy and would look good in my home.
In other words, prove to the world on a forum other than YT by selling them, letting us set it up, inspect if for a power source, and if it quits running after time, then we know it is just a wonderful energy conservation device. If it needs a battery, then we know it is a wonderful drive mechanism.
amourdutigre 1 year ago
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change form. This means that technically it is possible to create a machine which can function forever if it was able to prevent any energy from excaping it into another form. To achieve this there is one thing you would absolutely require which is abscent from this video and that one thing is a perfect vacuum. Unfortunately we can not create a perfect vacuum. It may run for a very long time but not forever.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 The idea is to convert space energy, time energy, vacuum energy or whatever you call it. The point is we do not know but this example of any successful conversion process. Machines wear out, so perpetual motion is more a natural law of time. Nature is the big machine forever. The vacuum is present everywhere in the background. Once you know how to address that vacuum the atmosphere won't be any problem.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar Then the idea is flawed. Energy is a property of matter. Vacuum is the abscence of matter and as such can contain no energy.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 never heard of zero point energy, Casimir force or quantum foam? Google Tom Valone.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar The idea of zero point energy stems from the fact that energy can not be created nor destroyed and also that the universe contains all energy in existance. The idea is that eventually gravity will pull all of the matter in the universe back to a single point carrying with it all of the energy in the universe as it falls into the last remaining black hole. All of the matter inside this black hole would be under such pressure that it has broken down into subatomic particles.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 so what?
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar The more energy the black hole consumes the more energy is transfered to these subatomic particles untill they have enough energy to escape the black hole's gravity forming another big bang. Thus energy and the universe itself are perpetual. However even this does not give us any way of creating energy where none previously existed.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 You are the only one who speaks of creating energy. It is not possible indeed. But conversion of energies is a known fact, even though we don't know all of it.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar The point is all this machine can do is lose energy over time because it's energy will be converted into another form via friction. Even if it's bearings where perfectly frictionless which they are not it would still lose energy to the friction with the air around it. It simply takes it longer to lose all of it's energy than it does for it to require maintenance.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 You must look differently at this one: vertically. All of your reasoning is horizontally oriented according to the laws of thermodynamics. Closed systems thus. Perpetual motion concerns an open system which from above manages to catch the restlessness of the universe. Our common scientific mindset is not ready for this and the proof is inconclusive. But to say in advance that it cannot be is simply disbelief, not science.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar The difference between verticle and horizontal is nothing more than you'r perception. It has no relevance as to the machines operation. Ever since man first learned how to build mechanical devices there have been attempts at achieving perpetual motion. All of these attempts have failed, Even Finsrund himself sid that the longest he ever got his machine to run was 14 days.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 More perspective than perception. It's about a different perspective,that of non-causal coherence. Read Irvin Laszlo about this. It is serious science argued about in quantum physics. Top down means you reason from an open system sensitive to time influences of the universe. That Finsrud's machine is not perfect is no argument to refute the fact that perpetual motion is possible. Improvement of his principles of operation very well might lead to a more solid success replicable to all.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar You do realize ofcourse that quantum physics is in dealing with the interactions between matter on the subatomic scale right? Conventional physics still works just fine for conventional machines like the one in the video.
kurisu925 1 year ago
@kurisu925 The point is that if this thing is true a conversion of energy at the quantum level must be taking place here. From the dark proto-matter of gravitons e.g. to kinetic energy or so. An unknown law of manifestation or of time energy. Quantum foam conversion or dark energy conversion or something....who knows? To say it is a fraud is so easy.....
anandaadhar 6 months ago
@anandaadhar I have searched everywhere man. I have never once found even a single instance of anyone working on a "free energy" (Proper term "Overunity") machine that did not later turn out to be a fraud. Some end up in prison for pretending to sell machines that they never even send, others sell plans with out actually promising that the machine functions to take advantage of loop holes in the law, and otheres simply claim that they need more funding for research they never intend to do.
kurisu925 6 months ago
@anandaadhar And yes it is easy to say something is a fraud when you can so easily look up a man's criminal history these days. A simple back ground check on the people pushing the scam will usually be far more than any reasonable person needs to see them for what they are. Maybe you ought to give it a try. By the way... this particular machine only ran for a maximum of about 14 days before it needed to be restarted. It is desinged only to hold on to it's initial energy as long as possible.
kurisu925 6 months ago
@kurisu925 Thats exactly what i thought, slowing down the release of energy is not perpetual motion, its essentially the same idea as winding a clock
theblahman 4 months ago
@anandaadhar Didn't the video say that it lasted for 6 months on the 1st try? And that it goes under regular maintinnce?
xrayt3ch 1 year ago
@xrayt3ch the photo was shot when it worked for 6 weeks. It worked thereafter too of course. Maintenance to keep it clean and fixed is necessary. All material presence is fallible and imperfect. As such forget about perpetual motion, be concerned about the reality of space energy conversion. What is this machine doing? Where does the energy come from to keep it going? Is Finsrud a liar claiming it magnetically restless with no support engine? That is the proper question.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
Lasted for 6 weeks?
Impressive but more like Finite Motion.
xrayt3ch 1 year ago
@xrayt3ch No it is lasting for years since 1996. Finsrud motion discovery, not finite motion. Motion is the intrinsic quality of nature, of time.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
It is not a perpetual machine, besides the laws of physics not allowing it, the magnates would eventually loos the magnetic pool and need to be re magnetized, thus no long perpetual since the magnets would eventually loose the pull and the ball would stop
MW2Failure 1 year ago
@MW2Failure Whatever you say, it still perpetually moves since 1996. Why denounce an obvious success because there is wear and tear? Now be fair and answer the question where the energy comes from that is used all the time.... stop denying and face the fact. Has it ever occurred to you that Maxwell's laws are maybe not complete? Where are the ones describing the essence of time and gravity?
anandaadhar 1 year ago
My theori: Finsrud's machine is no more magical than the brushless motor used in your computer fan. The pendulums is actuated by electromagnets (coils) hidden under the base plate. Clever, a piece of modern art and a provocateur - yes. But unfortunately no perpetual machine.
HifiCentret 1 year ago
@HifiCentret What is your proof to be that certain?
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar As said it's my guess. Based upon my technical knowledge and the fact that no one has a documented perpetual device (documented != mechanism must be 100% understood but it must be documented that batteries, magnets, springs etc. overall not loose energi).
HifiCentret 1 year ago
@HifiCentret While many claims to have one or be able to build one there's always troubles. Either they need more money (even though all seems to be build from cheap materials!?!) or more work and then there's all those who claim to have build one and has the knowledge but cannot publish either machine nor build plans for others to replicate because of everything from FBI to Aliens do not want them to.
If I had such a machine It'd take me 2 seconds or so to spread it all over the internet.
HifiCentret 1 year ago
Cable pendulums swing in a circle from the turning of the earth. The ball is a side effect of this motion.
He would have to make a mirror image of the machine for it to work in the opposite hemisphere.
wcwiegman 1 year ago
yes, seems it works, its using coriolis power, check an version of the faucault pendulum in Deutsche Museuum Munchen, he needs 3 pendulums arranged in an equal sided triangle to catch 100% shifting power out of the earth rotational spin (leading moment) to give the ball the required push. sometimes the ball may give a pendulum a push, but in total the ball will be pushed a bit more. as lont the earth rotates it is running (not at equator). Well done from an artists view...impressive work
Joh70 1 year ago
He is to busy to answer scientific questions? If there are detailed plans are they any other working units? Is this unit open for examination by scientists? I would say that this device has a hidden coil just to give one of the pendulems a slight push.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 The base of the machine is closed. It cannot be examined. There is the building plan showing the magnet array in there. But there are no photo's of how it actually looks like. Indeed he should have made a plexiglass window in the base to show the all-magnet setup he claims. Now we keep this doubt that the artist plays a game of illusion, which they usually do. Whether he is a liar or not we cannot determine unfortunately any other way but by replication.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar Well if he Actually has discovered a secret source of power & is keeping it to himself then he is the most selfish man alive. The world needs it. I Believe he is taking the license of a Magician to conceal the Illusion of whats happening. No Scientist has been able to theorize or generate power from magnets so I think its just like the other machines on youtube , bogus.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Except for Werner Heisenberg, the Nobel prize winner of quantummechanics. He thought is was possible as the video says.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar I have never heard that anywhere but here but it could be. Newton was steeped in Alchemy so I guess no matter how smart you are your limited to whats known in your time, (1920s for Heisnberg), & your beliefs. Quantum Theory has a lot of Statistics in it & frankly I think its not what "Really" happening but is able to explain it in a wierd sort of way. I am not saying that we cant draw power from atomic force but I dont think a simple magnet is going to do it.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Yeah, if we are honest, we have to say we do not know. That according Socrates is the foundation of all sound science. And thats why we speculate and try. What else should we do? Resign?
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar I agree with speculation & experiment. Never say something is impossible. This howerver is not what is happening. People are creating so called Free Energy devices, presenting them, then when asked to show them under controlled conditions they say NO. Stating various reasons, usually not to reveal the "secret" Many Many have been proven Fake, such as Mylow, then when the inventor wants to sell Plans or Kits, you KNOW its Fake.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Yes there is the possibility that Finsrud uses this machine as a makebelief thing just to promote the interests of his gallery. I mentioned this in the video as the option that he might have sold his soul to the devil lying about the veracity of the all-magnet nature of the thing. Still that option does not exclude the possibility that he speaks the truth anyway. Another option is that this machine is the result of a very sincere trial he wants to keep as inspiration and direction.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar If he does have such a device & is keeping it from society then he is a very very selfish person. If he wants to make money so be it, otherwise give it away. I think its more likely that its a magic trick.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I hope you're wrong, but who takes the challenge to prove right from wrong in this? We're not proud of faillures, except for Finsrud maybe then.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar The challange should be given to the inventor since there are no working replicas dispite plans being published. There are endless claims of Free Energy devices on Youtube. Why should one waste time building them to prove concept. It should be the inventors job to prove it.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Well he's old-aged and doesn't care about that scientific duty of delivering proof. He's an eco-conscious artist with a negative opinion about standard science being too theoretical, reductionistic, destructive and ulterior motivated... Too material etc. He is happy with his accomplishment and wants no further fuzz about it. Its up tp you to take up the challenge or not. So what do you do?
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@anandaadhar Not much of an eco freak if he does not care to release his secret to Free Power. Look, there a many Genius level people out there who have not been able to fine any method of extracting energy from magnets. There is nuclear energy, thats why cold fusion idea took off.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
GEEZ!!! This thread is why Newton left science for alchemy...
Comment at 8:55 is very pertinent.
With entropy and enthalpy laws, there is no perpetual motion in modern science theories.
Machines can be improved so motion keeps going on by reducing friction and amplify the energy that drives it.
Energy is needed to move matter. If not, it would certainly require new models and to explain it according to the current laws.
Nobel award and scientific revolution once that occurs.
momorgoth 1 year ago
Just because the principals can be demonstrated at low cost doesn't make them cheap misconceptions.
I too think there may be rotating or pulsed magnets in the base to move the pendulums. But the ball moves very smoothly over the track, even near the horse shoe magnets, indicating that they are not permanent magnets - if they were the ball would never even make it passed the first one.
Another give away is that the video maker has spotted the exact 'off the self' electro magnetics used.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
We just keep speculating on what it might be...
anandaadhar 1 year ago
approach the aluminum rail with neon bulb to see if it has HV, then is working on Tesla coil Principle.
jexphe2k 1 year ago
That wouldn't help for a drive hidden in the base.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@jexphe2k What Tesla principals?
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
Such a pretentious video and so many crazy comments for what is basically an exotic parlour trick!
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Prove it!
anandaadhar 1 year ago
Get me the machine and I will.
Failing that we have; the fact the Finsrud never applied for a patent, which if he had truly invented a PM machine would have made him a fortune; videos like this... watch?v=kXmmNE5tscs&feature=related
and also; that tiny matter of friction, which means any closed system eventually loses all its energy to heat.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Sure I'll send it to you by post... just wait...
anandaadhar 1 year ago
And who says this is a closed system? it works precisely because it is not so. The source indeed is the question, fraud cannot be excluded. Artists may do this, they are masters of illusion, eventhough lying on the show also for them is pathological. That's why I am a psychologist. We seem to be stuck on this type of character...... artists of whom we cannot be sure whether they lie or not.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
Well of course it's not actually a closed system! It's a trick. That is its whole point! It looks like a classic Heath-Robinson impossible perpetual motion device. The power source and means of operation are cunningly concealed. That is why I called it a parlour trick, a phrase which I thought neatly conveyed these ideas.
It isn't really fraudulent because I gather he never tricked anyone out of money. Do watch this YouTube video for a hint at how it can be done.
watch?v=kXmmNE5tscs
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
I know that video. This is a cheap misconception not doing justice to the balancing act of Finsrud's. If there is cheating on the side of Finsrud, he will have a motor in the base, not something hidden electric in the track itself or in the feedback magnets of the vibratory unit.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
@chrisofnottingham you're an idiot if you don't think this is a real perpetuum. It obviously is. The video never said the system doesn't use energy or lose it. It simply uses gravity as its main source of energy.
PistonHonda319 1 year ago
@PistonHonda319 In that case I must be an idiot. Gravity can't be used as a source of energy perpetually because it only converts into other energy as long as a mass is moving downwards (into a lower energy state). There is obviously a limit to how long anything moving downwards can be sustained. And in the case of a cyclic system with no external forces, it is one revolution at most.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
@chrisofnottingham Is gravity the only source of energy this machine uses? Not hardly.
PistonHonda319 1 year ago
@PistonHonda319 Don't tell me... It's using magnets as a source of energy?!! Like when you stick a magnet to the fridge door and it uses all that power to continually overcome gravity!! Go on, surprise me do, but just don't use the "M" word.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
@chrisofnottingham Great job you have figured it all out! Maybe you should get a gold star!
PistonHonda319 1 year ago
I can perpetualy make dumb comments on silly youtube videos
piratesephiroth 1 year ago
But you don't have to.
anandaadhar 1 year ago
If this was a perpetual motion machine it would be possible to put a simple mechanism just outside the ball's path that would generate a charge from the airflow as the ball passes and store it in an internal magnetic field (so as there is no power loss from batter drain) and then direct this current back into the mechanism to increase the tilt-speed of the track.
No matter how small the increase in charge and thus tilt speed the mechanism would become exponentially more energetic....
salamirterra 2 years ago
.....and get progressively faster until eventually the magnetic field was strong enough to blow up the entire universe.
This is not perpetual motion. This ball spinning a track could not blow the universe up. This is because there is no perpetual motion, because there is no free energy.
This machine is just an example of how illiterate people can be regarding physics.
salamirterra 2 years ago
Or a machine to demonstrate how arrogant the sitting paradigm is....
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I do not need to act to prove this is not PM. I have an executive desk toy that works in exactly this way, by a small magnetic impulse when the pendulum passes over. A magnet is similar to a spring in its characteristics, so I continue to be amazed that people think it is the route to PM. Forget Heisenberg and just accept that PM is impossible. Why don't you simply ask Finsrud for access and prove to yourself it is a fake. My point is made and I will not post any more on this subject.
arburo1 2 years ago
Some forget, some don't...
anandaadhar 2 years ago
The simple proof that this is PM would be to permit unfettered access to the machine by a qualified engineer ( myself ) and a magician. Any engineer knows that PM is impossible as it breaks the laws of physics, so he will be able to identify where the frictional losses occur and where the power is being inputted. The magician will be able to identify where misdirection is taking place. Of course, Finsrud will never allow such access.
arburo1 2 years ago
No Heisenberg said that he thinks a magnet motor is possible, Thus we keep trying, period. PM means space energy conversion into kinetic energy with the help of magnets. No law is violated. Only the magnetic lock must be broken. That is the trouble. Quantum mechanics has no problem with the theory of quantum foam processing The knowhow we don't have. Finsrud might be cheating or he might not. There is logic to it and paradigmatic dogmatism can't undo that logic. Logic is theory it must be proven
anandaadhar 2 years ago
If you are a qualified engineer, it is your honor to act, not talk, and thus replicate and so be definitive about whether this is just kinetic art with a lie or a science accomplishment with an artistic escapist.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
@anandaadhar I would think breaking the magnetic lock would require as much energy as exists in the magnetic lock in the first place. If these two quantities are equal, then friction will eventually cause the machine to reach equilibrium, at rest. I do believe energy may exist in the nature of space itself, but I doubt this is the way to reach into it.
cmpilot 2 years ago
yes for one thing is sure, we, mankind, this earth is quite ignorant in these matters
anandaadhar 2 years ago
This is one of the best fake PM machines built in modern times, and it has clearly taken in many people. Finsrud is a brilliant engineer but this is not PM. The clue to the energy source is in the Maintenance (2). Why should it be necessary to 'redo the resin fix in the base'? The base includes a simple electro-magnetic circuit that energises the pendulums, giving them a small kick on each pass. Maintenance allows an exchange of battery. QED.
arburo1 2 years ago
You could be right, you could be wrong.... Is Finsrud a liar or not? That is the question. George Delk I couldn't replicate offering his PM with the same principle, but much simpler. He was replicable. This kind of set-up could very well be the ideal way to fake the PMi demonstrated with Delk's, but how can we be sure? Dogmatism never lead out of a paradigm. For sure artists are masters of illusion and Finsrud is one, but still that doesn't prove him a liar.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
News! Finsrud has been confirmed! It seems that George Delk from the US has confirmed Finsrud with the perpetual motion of a pendulum managed with magnets. I will try to replicate the thing to make sure that this is no make-belief. Is this the replicable PM version? We will see... See watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I couldn't prove his PM right though replicating him. Has he replicated Finsrud in the kinetic art-style? His machine was artfully crafted. With the certainty of a hidden drive one is much freer in making it as beautiful as one can.... so as for now Finsrud is an artist and Delk replicated that. It is kinetic art until someone discovers that Reidar spoke the truth and Delk was just having fun with it.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Please..Everyone making a movie and putting text in it. Please, for the love of God, put a stroke on the font or put a contrasting background; it's not hard. It should not be next to impossible to read your text. It is too painful to try and read it as it is.
jjenson2006 2 years ago
There is a challenge here for everyone...lol
anandaadhar 2 years ago
my idea is you have to put a coil so that it helps to to push the magnet opposite reaction then to continue the motion just a little motion its a big help to push the magnet then continue moving by magnet to magnet with the opposite reaction sorry if im not good in english
chuvaluz 2 years ago
There are so many things to try, and science leaves it all with holding fast to the rules or laws as one calls them. But still an eventual breaktthrough there wil be from this experimenter's side, not from those who don't try at all.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
some one try an experiment with 3 electromagnet
to replicate the motion??? what do you think about?
gilbondfac 2 years ago
Not really a replication. No wires with Finsrud.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Ok but in your opinion ! for you ?you have replicated it?? it's certainly a good horloge !
gilbondfac 2 years ago
I don't have the skills to replicate Finsrud, it is a masterpiece of balancing. You need to be a damn good enigineer and a very patient and devoted artist who likes to play this game invented by Finsrud. I have to follow my own course with the IPMM. My attempts at implementing the IPMM with a pendulum as yet have failed...to start something is not that difficult, but to finish this game with success, without cheating? That is the problem...
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Brilliant! Nice video -- I saw Reidar Finsrud's video some time back and it's great to find your video explaining how it works. Good luck with your own experiments. I'm pretty sure you're right that this is tapping into dynamism in space time. Harold Aspden and Myron Evans both have theories about this.
davidnsaunders 2 years ago
Your work is great...keep on going, dont give up!....just one question..are you still using harddrive to spin wheel with moon magnets? because, If I'm not wrong, correct me if i am...harddrive motor will resist to the spining, beause it has magnets and coils (if you didnt removed them) and acctualy produce electricity...right?
bender0 2 years ago
I experiment with ball bearings now. HDD bearings brak down indeed, they can't have much friction.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
yea,they are very fine and very fragile...but great for small devices...anyway, are you still experimenting with this? some new design maybe?
bender0 2 years ago
I am at IPMM 9, engaged with two discs in a symmetrical design, but no progress made. I will load real progress.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
ball bearings from the r/c world are the best ones
xismxist 2 years ago
I for one believe in P. Motion, otherwise how do you explain the billions of years of planetary movement. Has anyone ever tried to replicate this machine, or are you giving it a go? Very good choice of music and a good presentation. Thanks!
Rotitomato 2 years ago 2
At the end of the movie you see me trying my own way. I don't see a possibility to copy this design, but I try to copy this principle of gravito-manetic restlessness with my IPMM series. yes he is an inspiration.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
This is just pseud scientific crap. Can we run a car or prouce electricity with that stuff? I dont think so.
cippergut 2 years ago
You express an opinion. All opinion is pseudo-scientific. Plato clearly pointed out the difference. Think before you speak.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Anyway, are you aware that this thing will never be able to produce energy?
cippergut 2 years ago
As far as I can see, this device will run as long as:
1. It is affected by gravity
2. The magnets retain their magnetic fields.
Granted, apparently magnets will eventually run out of magnetic force, so perhaps this can't truly be called a perpetual motion machine, however, regardless of that it's a mechanically beautiful system and it's quite lovely to watch.
WhiteCavendish 2 years ago
My brain just exploded from reading the last few comments
Scorge120 2 years ago
Ahhh, but E = mc^2 says that all energy has mass - though we are all arguing with different versions of the physics here. I don't believe in general space time curvature, I believe in the ZPF which says that empty space always tends to zero sum energy and that relativity is a purely local effect. The joke is that relativity is restricted by the speed of light. I actually do understand QM. -
Lucien86 2 years ago
I understand quantum mechanics, both the probabilistic and non-probabilistic models. The non-probabilistic model says that energy still cant be created or destroyed (though it can jump in time) so over unity is not really possible. Energy in the quantum vacuum always comes from somewhere else - FTL space, time space compression, the evaporation of matter into energy, etc.
Lucien86 2 years ago
Yes the energy of the vacuum is there from the primal difference between the expansion and contraction of the universe. These two basic forces with expansion being the bigger one are responsible for all the energy in the unverse. In the end it is all time energy. The clue of the matter is that matter came from somewhere as a condensation of a primordial form of matter, dark matter maybe. I adhere to a hierarchical QM model in which everything bifurcates into the final diversity of creation.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Many years ago before I understood physics I believed this kind of thing was possible. If you could really extract energy from gravity you would be extracting it from the earths gravity field and the only way to do that is through E = mc^2.
Not only is this very difficult but if you could do it you have a very good chance of starting a chain reaction that would destroy the whole planet (by converting its mass to energy).
Lucien86 2 years ago
This time E=mc2 does not apply for the energy is not from matter but from space. So no mass is lost, just a little space energy. Since there is a constant expansion of space in the universe, there is no problem to harness this time energy which is extra and really free. Study quantum physics to discover the potential of space energy.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
So, how do you get energy out of this thing? Can you run anything with it? Charge a battery? What is a diallel?
johnnyswatts 2 years ago
No lead out of energy in this case, a pure balance that may not be disturbed, just a proof of principle, that is all. It is of scientific importance, it breaks Eintsein's relativity principle but is not directly of any practical value. Diallel means towards the center directed like all stars in the galaxy. We are investigating whether we can use these principles in a more practical manner. This as yet is just kinetic art. Only a copy proves it scientific. Till then it's a nice illusion.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Maintenance: 1) cleaning the track. 2) Redo the resin fix of the magnet array in the base. 3) Change the battery.
alasrati 2 years ago
There is Dutch proverb: the way the host is that is how he trusts his customer.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
They need a battery because perpetual motion on this scale IS impossible. But If you can get twice as much "energy" as what you're using, the principal still stands, which is what he is doing with this machine.
Longwittyusername 2 years ago
I don't where the energy for Finsrud's elegant art work comes from but I'm suspicious of the large, heavy compressed spring. That could store a lot of energy. I doubt that the magnets run down or that it runs from thermal changes. I can't see anything to suggest some unusual or unknown force which is making this beautiful machine run.
maryyugo 2 years ago
You again? Ya, thats right! You dont know nothing about anything - zero, nil - and thats why you are always coming back mumbling senseless ideas. Forget it, sister, you are outdated and happy about it - so thats all said. This is more than a beatiful machine - this is a human savier concept.
Blueskyh2o 2 years ago
What the hell is a "savier"?
maryyugo 2 years ago
Sorry, i mean savior - rescuer ... english is not my natural language, you know...
Blueskyh2o 2 years ago
Sorry, OK. Well, Finsrud is an artist and his machine is artwork. It is lovely to look at but it won't save anyone or anything except from boredom.
If you aren't familiar with the concepts of force, work and energy, I suggest an on line physics class at a very starting level. These are concepts well worked out at the time of Newton! And they have not changed for normal sized objects since. Magnetism is not a source of energy. Magnets can store energy but they don't generate it.
maryyugo 2 years ago
Apparently they can alternate their force with gravity pulses so that the energy of space is converted into kinetic energy... Indeed astonishing and it baffles standard physics. Several laws of nature turn out to be mere principles to which there are exceptions as we can see with Finsrud. If Finsrud doesn't lie about the magnetic drive in the base, we are dealing with nothing short of a newly discovered law of nature that says Et = Fmag x Fg. Of course you cannot find that one in the textbooks.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
This time energy law in words: time energy is the product of magnetic force and the force of gravity. Who will be the first to corroborate this one with an experimental setup proving Finsrud truthfull? That is the challenge here. It is no science to refute this saying that it is not what we are used to. Finsrud confirms: 'Of course it is odd". Yes. It is simply something we don't understand until this law is proven by experiments in respect of the principles of operation as laid out by Finsrud
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Fisnrud should get a Nobel prize!
thespokesdude 2 years ago
Too complicated for me to understand this great work of art's function. But I do seem to see that it's effectively draining the magnet's power to keep the ball rolling.
Or, are the magnets never ever changed during maintenance? Then I need to re-think :-)
Cloxxki 2 years ago
No the magnets are only repositioned because they get loose in the resin they are fixed in. The magnets provide no power by the way, they organize the space energy, they create a dipole in that chaotic energy and that is what the machine utilizes, balancing with gravity adding the momentum of the ball to the inertial mass disturbing the equilibrium.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
If the magnets provide "no power" than why use them at all? magnets have energy but they do not last when you use that energy.
fearclowns 2 years ago
They structure the energy of space, they are a kind of medium or valve or gate to it. They are not used up therefore. Over time they use their effect though because of the natural realigning of the created polariy. They deliver that other force next to gravity . Together two forces make energy here. That is how it seems to work.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
it is easy to see how it works.
the vibrating is only fore the flyweel 1 floor higher.its not in your movie
tesla1961 2 years ago
What flywheel?
anandaadhar 2 years ago
google it
tesla1961 2 years ago
There is no connection to be found at Google between Finsrud and a flywheel, Be more specific.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
google video 48 minutes Reidar Finsrud
video start whit flyweel,its connected before to GMD
tesla1961 2 years ago
You mean that Stirling engine next to his reception desk running on the energy of a light bulb? That is something completely different. It is not connected to the device downstairs. It is in a secured vault. Just to exclude outside interference with the operation. But maybe you are right, with an artist we cannot be sure that he is not a liar. Artists play with illusions. That it true. maybe he mocks us believers in magnetic overunity. Who can tell? Only the replicator, nobody else. Are you one?
anandaadhar 2 years ago
In theory, it's possible to use a pendulum to harness energy from the rotation of the planet. This is more noticeable at greater latitudes and disappears at the equator. ASU has a large pendulum on a wire. If you start it swinging in at a certain angle and then check back a few hours later, the angle will have changed by a predictable amount based on the latitude of the pendulum.
There's a patent for harnessing the rotational energy of the planet. Use would slow earth's rotation. Do it!
segankuz 2 years ago
Patent number and name?
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Please explain how this device could possibly work. That is explain what force is doing enough positive work on the ball to keep it moving, to offset the work done by the NON CONSERVATIVE FORCE of friction. Also keep in mind that magnetic and gravitational fields are conservative fields. Meaning that as the ball travels all the way through them NO work is done on the ball... Further, please use standard terms such as force, acceleration, energy, ..., So we all know what the hell you are talking
thefullmonte03 2 years ago
about. Please do not use the nomenclatures of pseudoscience. The term flux is acceptable provided you use it in it's correct context. Which is the "amount" of field passing through a reigon. More rigorously, it is the respective field vector dotted with an area vector (has the magnitude of area and is in a direction normal to the long axis of a shape containing the reigon you are talking about). So please clearly are concisely tell us how perpetual motion works...
thefullmonte03 2 years ago
Finsrud breaks the reativity principle that equates inertial force with gravitational mass. He refutes Einstein in fact, or better, he shows us an alternative that states that the two conservative forces of gravity and magnetsm together can deliver a restless machine that catches the time energy of the universe. According modern ether theories, the virtual energy of space consists of two basic forms of time.: the outward and inward going movement of the universe.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
These two basic forces constitute the energy of space that in this machine is converted into kinetic energy. Let's say a clock that directly adresses time as is is in nature. Look at space as a protomaterial primal reality from which the material reality as we know it condensed. Because this relative primordial ether is not material it could not be detected by Michelson's lightspeedexperiment. But we cannot accept physics stating that something doesn't exist when a wrong test has been performed
anandaadhar 2 years ago
reativity principle = relativity principle. It is lso known as the equivalence principle ever since Galileo Galilei started about it and I. Newton neglected the difference. Bruce DePalma of the N-machine that was replicated by P. Tewari, conducted an experiment in which he found that a spinning steel ball shoots farther or less far than a non-spinning ball depending the direction of spin. Thus he broke the relativity principle. He was ousted by the scientific community for that was "impossible"!
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Where I say intertial force I mean inertial mass, sorry.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
In the operating machine Finsrud uses the diamagnetic properties of the steel ball to keep, with the help of a vibratory system, a chaos pendulum with a track attached to it restless while he with gravity directed and pulsed magnets keeps control over the speed of the ball. That is what he does here. Thus you have perpetual motion according the formula given in the purple text of the video. Even if he fakes it with a motor in the base, it is a masterpiece of construction.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
What reason is there to think that the aether actually exists? What evidence do you base you support of the aether on? Also, the energy of space, is potential energy. It is energy that is associated with that point in space. To actually make use of it, you would have to do work to move an object there... I am not going to argue it anymore. I think that perpetual motion is non sense. You obviously do not. When you run a successful experiment, I will appologize to you and make a video proclaiming
thefullmonte03 2 years ago
how much more intelligent and insightful you are than I. I really wish you luck in your endeavors....
thefullmonte03 2 years ago
Thanks! Einstein himself in 1920 said in leyden in a lecture: "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense."
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I was under the impression that Einstein showed that the aether was unecessary. Even, though we regard Einstein as a physicist, singular in his talent, as almost like a physics GOD; you must also remember he was a human being, and as such quite falible. He fought so hard against quantum mechanics, which was ultimately the most successful theory in physics
thefullmonte03 2 years ago
Indeed , he's not a god and will not rule for ever with his relativity principle. It is not a law.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Thats right, i agree with you on basics but you see magnetism and gravity as two different sources of "energy" but im not that sure. Im not sure what are the real juice between conceps like force, energy and work.
Blueskyh2o 2 years ago
Two conservative forces, gravity and magnetism together making kinetic energy out of the space energy that was organized by the magnets, that is what we see with Finsrud.
Another way of stating it is that between these two different conservative natural forces there is a time difference that is caught in this machine. A great, historic accomplishment indeed.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
Very nice. It would be nice to have one of those just to look at. It's calming and beautiful.
kaduisaui 2 years ago
thats quite an interesting video, thanks
Alex
alexioco 2 years ago
Keep going on pleas! You are doing a great job.
mikica2002 2 years ago
anti gravity occurs at about 1 tera hertz, so on this basis PM isn't going to fly at a slow speed.
Towit I can sustain a magnetic pendulum for a year powered by a zinc carbon size "D" cell, and with magnetic feedback I can make it go for 5 years but that's like 2 cycles per sec.
raypsi 3 years ago
To power a device with space energy is something different though....
anandaadhar 3 years ago
But I do remember a Tesla device where Tesla took a plate of highly polished copper , 1 meter square, and drew in energy from the ether, non stop, forever, I don't think the copper would wear out.
Capacitors have the an effect if you discharge a capacitor totally it will charge back up slightly by itself so you can discharge it again, then it will charge back up. you can do this forever. Try it with a 20KVDC capacitor. It's dark energy I been talking about. Dark matter.
raypsi 3 years ago
Yes the capital interest blocked his free energy project, the Wardenlyffe project: a big tower would freely distribute electrical energy all over the world wireless! He also made the first electrical car running on space energy. He was accused of black magic and withdrew the car again.
anandaadhar 3 years ago
My estimate is that there is a single small coil and a magnetic triggering mechanism to turn on the coil when one of the pendulums swings by, giving it more energy. A dozen D cells may store enough energy to run the mobile for months with a highly efficient setup.
The big unanswered question about the Wardenlyffe tower that nobody asks: If you are going to "power the world", where do you get your source power for the tower? 500 coal-fired electrical plants in the area around the tower???
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
If you don't give Finsrud the advantage of doubt that could be an answer. As yet I do not consider him a liar.
Tesla worked with the natural atmospheric differences ofpotential that gives us lighning as well. No, Wardenclyffe was operated by radiant energy as ar as I know.
Have you any idea how a quantum mechanical generator running magnets will look like? As far as I know Searl pretends to know, but we don't see his SEG thing running on its own graviton suck or electron swing of space energy.
anandaadhar 2 years ago
I think this will stop becouse of wear before the magnets are dead. And neodymium magnets will last for a lifetime.
And Finsrud never sayd it is a true perpetual motion, he personaly call it a sculpture.
sscheen 3 years ago
Well Finsrud says it runs on magnets and gravity, perpetual motion is a manner of speaking when you don't use another source than the relative ether for the input. Of course the machine wears off. As such pm doesn't exist. Only God has a pm: the universe. He is the original patent holder.
anandaadhar 3 years ago
Very interesting, but this machine is not a perpetual motion BECAUSE there are some magnets on it, and thoses magnets are going to loose their magnetic fields...
A true perpetual motion NEVER uses magnets, sorry.
BlueManCa.
bluemanca 3 years ago
That's what you think. What we see is perpetual motion based on magnets and gravity. Fact is fact, Criteria of definition are something different. My interest is the proof that there can be perpertual motion based upon magnets. It proves the ether that, to our detriment, is forgotten by science.
anandaadhar 3 years ago
Man, this is NOT a perpetual motion. Look for the definition, and you will see i am right.
You are talking about facts but you don't want to see that magnets will stops around 300 and 400 years... A perpetual motion ? Ridiculous !... Its a perpetual motion which lasts 400 years, hahaha ! You don't want to see facts and you know undestand what is a perpetual motion, man.
Now, i know that magnets can help making moving things for a long time, BUT, once again, this is NOT perpetual, sorry.
bluemanca 3 years ago
Who cares what your opion is, these words of you? I just want this (as good as) perpetual motion of this machine, because it a break of the laws of conservation. I know the material wears out before the magnets do. Do you get the point? i know the universe is the only perpetual motion that is eternal. But the proof of overunity is enough for me. We look for ether proof.
anandaadhar 3 years ago
It must be said, though, that as long as the total kinetic output over the 300 to 400 year life of the magnets is greater than the total energy required to produce them plus the energy required to initially start the machine, then the reaction is, in a sense, perpetual.
knyghtshyftR 2 years ago
I saw this when I watched the documentary 'A Machine to Die For' (full length available on Google video), fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
Odziz 3 years ago
thanks for the video name! i saw it before but forgot what it was called! thanks!
exter54321 3 years ago