thats weird i thought this was the history of alt rock not just REM and Nirvana. One little mention of Smashing Pumpkins, wow. They were one, if not the biggest alt rock bands ever
fucking and where the strokes left the sons of bitches all .. suckle his mother skunk if it is the more righteous band of the last decade ..!!! She rescued the rock
Just watch the first part of this video of Dave Grohl after watching the end, It really cracks you up!! No sadness, always look on the bright side of life!
I recall when I heard his death and the way he dies I was super angry. Some how I knew Grunge was coming to an end it was way too short. My geneartion had to wait a long time to be heard thanks to the baby boomers and now what has replaced the meaingfull music I came to love? More Commerical crap. If you seek me you will find me left of the dial like in the old days. PEACE
kurt cobain was and still is my very one hero. He was the reason to pick up a guitar, to appasionately love music. and, like bob dylan, my biggest respect for him stands for his autenticity. RIP Kurt. You are missed
i can not imagine myself how dave and krist both felt when they were in that studio listening to the whole unplugged thing and finishing the recording process, rest in peace Kurt Cobain.
The early 90's were a unique era in music and art. A time when an artist could lay bare his emotions in a song, and it didn't really matter if he was the most technically competent musician. Today, I am sorry to say, "artists" seem more like they're all dressing up and playing rock star. Welcome back to the 1980's...
What Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic and even Michael Stipe say at the end here is so heartbreaking. Kurt could've taken his music anywhere, had he gotten his demons under control. I get even more upset looking at today's young music stars who have almost none of the drive or the passion or perhaps most important of all, the life experience that Kurt had. None of that is reflected in today's music.
I know that it's said too often, but after seeing such a movie like this, I get so fucking upset. The real music starts to be forgotten, and all those motherfuckers like Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga get plenty of chances. These people got a team of 30 men at their disposal who make a song for them and let them sing it. Where has the passion gone?
though nirvana is amazing, they should talk about red hot chili peppers, smashing pumpkins and pearl jam, they focused way too much on nirvana and r.e.m. this is a documentary on alternative music
@davie96667 Id beleive it, Courtney was a total bitch. I would of blown my fucking head off too if i was with her, Now that bitch is still here except with all of kurts money
Yeah, I think PJ's first 3 are their best and only the first 2 would I consider essential. Mojo magazine in a 1996 review of Neil Young's 'Mirrorball' album (where PJ was his backing band) said, "Nirvana had the substance, Pearl Jam had the fluff." Overstated but I still think there is a grain of truth in that. Still, it doesn't stop me from enjoying their music. Besides, Soundgarden was better than both bands!! :-)
Did anyone else got watering eyes by hearing Nirvana here? When i saw that episode (Left of the dial) i came to understand that with Kurt Cobain honesty pretty much died in music business, with the exception of Radiohead.
lets put it this way, there's no more poetry in music these day's, and the 90's rock and roll was grunge, but the 2000's rock and roll bring nothing to the table to have young people relate to, the lyrics tell little to no story and pretty much any one can get a record deal these day's if they can rhyme and rap or sing songs along with a night club beat...All I have to say is fucking A.
i mostly agree, there are still some really good quality bands though. some not as hard as grunge but still good. bands like the white stripes, kings of leon, muse, wolfmother, eskimo joe.
other bands like cog really have the potential to bring good loud meaningful music back.
dont forget grohl either, foo fighters, somewhat successful (lol) and every bit as good as nirvana as well as his latest project, them crooked vultures (also featuring josh homme [QOTSA), John Paul Jones [zeppelin])
i loved this show. me, my brother, and my sister all watched Nirvana in Reading in HD then we watched this and i almost cried. we all enjoyed it except it was sooo sad at the end when it talked about trying to save kurt from his depression and then dave and krist were talking about his death and it was sooo sad):
Too bad the documentary focuses so much on Nirvana, and not so much on the bands that paved the way, would have loved to have heard more about Black Flag, The Replacements, Dinosaur Jr. etc..
too bad u seem to focus on this one instead of the entire video parts or never really seen this show.... they do not focus on nirvana... I also like Dino Jr. and so on!
I saw the whole series. They simply do, there is a little bit of talk about 'left of the dial', but the rest is pretty much about REM, Nirvana and the political circumstances under which alternative music of the late 80's and early 90's was shaped .
They also discuss Black Flag a bit, but that's pretty much it.
There was a time when I would agree with you, but Radiohead and Jeff Buckley rose after him, and they were both 'great' and 'real.' But I agree it's been downhill since Kurt died.
Great musician, but no. Pearl Jam are still going strong, and they were much better than Nirvana. And if Cobain was still alive, Nirvana would either be irrelevant of broken up.
Going strong? Their last album was poo, and so were several prior to that. Honestly, the only Pearl Jam albums that I can listen to all the way through are Ten and Vs. Vitalogy has a few good songs but was inconsistent and a let down from Vs. Nirvana, if around today, would be far from irrelevant, though they probably wouldn't be popular. Cobain even said that he was planning on going in a different direction after In Utero - something more like New Wave.
Last album was critically acclaimed, and a great change in direction. Vitalogy has some of their best songs ever. The only albums I consider no good is Binaural, and that was a weak point for the band at the time. As good as Nirvana are to listen to, I cant help but think theyre slightly overrated based on Cobains death. Pearl Jam headlined Reading in 2006, Lollapalooza in 07, and Bonaroo in 09, theyre doing pretty well.
To each his own. In Utero was more gritty and had the sound Nirvana was looking for, but it was still grunge, and Cobain said he was done with grunge after that. He said he was experimenting with a lot of different sounds and wanted his fourth album to be much, much different. Obviously that wasn't going to happen, and what a bummer that is, I'm sure it would have been their White Album. Anyway, if you like Pearl Jam's later stuff then that's fine, but to me it's just not appealing.
I think thats the case with a lot of people with Pearl Jam. Their later stuff, people kinda took it or left it. Lot of people didnt like Riot Act, I do.
@PopCultureSucks If you look hard enough, there is still great music that has come out since Cobains death. I've never bought in to the theory that Nirvana was the last good rock band and music died the day he did.
@fatcatbuzz I did some thinking and they said the same thing after John Lennon died. It took about ten or so years before we saw another artist like John Lennon and that was Kurt Cobain. I don't think anymore that rock music is done, I just think now that it needs a new leader, but yes I totally agree with you.
@PopCultureSucks I agree with you about the leader thing. But, for me Nirvana was just one of many bands during that time I was into. In fact, I can think of many other bands during that time that I liked just as much if not more than Nirvana. I do know what you mean. Every since about 1998, mainstream music really went downhill. There definitely hasn't been good music on commercial radio and that's what I miss most about the 80s and 90s. Even MTV has changed since the 90s. It's sad, really.
@PopCultureSucks i feel u man, wat ppl should do now is just starting a new band nd try 2 bring real music back, thats wat im trying 2 do, posting my songs on utube nd stuff, but nobody will ever match the awesomeness nd just the sheer power nd feeling of kurt cobain
I don't know, I really, really don't know...I think Kurt killed himself partially because he knew where it was all going, I mean you could see the signs there, the Record companies had already turned all the sarcasm of Alternative music inside out into pretty 'sub-pop' records, what was left? But man, then I would have never imagined it would have gotten this bad.
Replacements, haven't heard much by them, listened to Let it Be once. R.E.M. is my favourite band, so nice choice.
Radiohead's last 6 albums have been unreal, whichever ones you didn't like, listen again, they reveal themselves slowly, but they're genius. In Rainbows, their latest effort, is one of my favourites.
kinda pisses me off nirvana was great but not the only alternative band more grunge than alternative. and they spent the whole thing on one alternative band.
I hate reading the comments of people who expect musicians to be becons of a certain lifestyle. So Kurt had a big house, so he took drugs, so fucking what.
He was a great song writer, and a troubled person, nothing more nothing less. Of course he wasnt flawless, you cant expect that of him.
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i dont think he was a great song writer, i think all of his songs are a pile of crap, i hate nirvana, and i absolutely fucking hate kurt cobain, i hate the sound of his songs, i hate the melody and all the fucking rest
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Another thing, Kurt was a hypocrite. He bashed all the bands from that era all the time for being to commercial yet he was worse than all of them. Instead of buying the big mansion, he would live in penthouse accomodations. He loved the life. He would bitch all the time when his shit was not played enough on MTV. He set out to be famous from day one.
Don't think for a second that you make that kind of commercial record (Nevermind) by mistake. He knew what he was doing. He's no Eddie.
Kurt was a great songwriter, no doubt. But the very best from that era was Eddie Vedder. Absolutly no other artist has such talent as a songwiter and lyricist and yet goes about it with absolute grace and dignity.
Anyone who thinks he's a coward for killing himself i disagree with. Takes alot of balls to shoot yourself in the face, especially when you have as much as he did to live for. Which is why i to this day don't think he did it by himself.
Its a little bit of both. Sure, it might not be cowardly to go through with blowing your brains out and ending everything, but at the same time it's cowardly that he decided to deal with his life that way (ending it).
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kurt cobain pisses me right off, i like him and i hate him he had the whole world at his feet and he takes the cowerd way out of life by killing himself.
there thousands of bands out there that a great but cant get a record deal and theres kurt cobain saying shit like i hate myself and i wanna die.
thats bullshit and hes ment 2 be a spokesmen of his generation.
Ok, I like Nirvana as a band but I don't really like Kurt and I definitely can't stand his fanboys. However, he never asked to be a "spokesman of his generation". He was only labeled as such by the stupid media and treated as such. I don't recall him ever asking to be anyone's spokesman or idol or role model. No doubt what he did to himself was shitty, considering he had a kid...
I love his music cause it speaks 2 me , I've seen some of his home movies/interviews , read some of his journal(couldn't invade his privacy that much) , read some of his quotes he's a laid back, open minded , I don't care what u think about me kind of guy
I don't hate Kurt. I don't like him either. Even though I like the music and there were things about him that I liked (for instance, his stance on homophobia and racism), I can not condone what he did in any way.
Have you ever experienced withdrawl symptoms from heavy drug use? I haven't either but i can only imagine it puts you into your own personal hell and probably hard to think about others.
Well Yusef, but Nirvana or Kurt´s image hasn´t really fade away, have they? I don´t think he saw the world the way you see it. He just lost the plot, I don´t see a spoil lad, just some one who lost direction. But definately I refuse to belive he would feel he was sentenced to fade away if he would have chosen to keep up with his music. As far as I´m concerned. He was a great musician, great writter.
It's pathetic if KC quoted that dumb Neil Young lyric in his suicide note. Pathetic and stupid. In fact, almost pathetic and stupid enough for me to lose respect. If KC perceived his choice as being between suicide and fading away and he chose suicide, he must have thought any continuing creative effort on his part was just a fading away. If so, there's no soul there. There's a spoiled, self-centered brat.
Interesting comment. But the "fading away" alternative was not related to the creativity flow, but to the "drug spin" he knew he couldn't control anymore. Cheers!
my exact opinion is wut Sebassthien says. i rly dont think Nirvana should be the band to represent the early rise of the alternative rock subgenre. they have some ok songs, but their too destructive. they dont have that kind of ring and/or 'chime' in their sound that actually defines the alt-rock sound like Pearl Jam and them. and not to mention that Nirvana is HORRIBLY overrated
Kurt Kobain seems like a nice guy though and i do still respect the guy. even he himself didnt like how Teen Spirit got so popular above almost all their other stuff. but seriously, his band really didnt have the true elements of the alt-rock sound.
plus their music is the exact opposite of wut the word "nirvana" actually means. i mean LOOK IT UP
come on. maybe thats your opinion and i respect that but lets live it to individuals to judge what they like to listen to.
don't have to impose your point of view on others on which band (s) should've taken the credit. if you like pearl jam and etc, thats good but you dont have to go so far and flame nirvana just because you dont find their sound 'appealing'.
yea i know. but its just that i'm so tired of everywhere i try to go to find other elements of the alt-rock sound, i hav to go through like seas of Nirvana jazz before i can get even just the least bit satisfied. i know that if it werent for Nirvana, fuckin hair metal would still be fagging up the place (but, not to mention, now we have to work on eliminating Emo.)
yeah. emo / screamo / post-hardcore scene. they're music is kinda good. but i just dont get it when they scream every now and then. and their image-conscious mindset which funnily reminds me of those 80s hair-metal bands.
i HATE all the stupids what says that NIRVANA IS GRUNGE AND THE GRUNGE DIED WITH KURT COBAIN... i saw all the freacking documentary and i really expected something else... man... like an hour talking of nirvana and kurt... what about PEARL JAM what about ALICE IN CHAINS, SOUNDGARDEN, TEMPLE OF THE DOG...
i liked the documentary but to make a documentary on alternative american rock and just making passing references to alice in chains pearl jam or the smashing pumpkins kinda sucks... nirvana and rem were great but there was more to it
1991, i was eighteen and the music scene was unbelieveable.today im thirty five and i feel for the kids of today.the music SUCKS.there will never be a better time for music than early nineties. god help us
I'll help! We are the Desasterz. We have nothing but 10 songs,a couple of 270 dolar guitars,a cheap bass,a cheap bass amp and a guitar amp a guitar player in francewe are in england)and a crap mp3 player to record songs with,it makes them sound stressful.we sing bout how todays music sucks, how social life is brainless,how the media gets money out of the naivity of younth that now goes up to jujing the ones who are free from all that.nd about the horor of drugs that pepol never learn from.
god... i almost cried after seeing that kurt was dead, he was not just a muscician, he was obviously a great man despite his depression, god, if I had been there seeing in the news that kurt was dead i would cry like never before, god bless kurt, god bless nirvana, god bless r.e.m., god bless them all
This video almost brought tears to my eyes, I know that Kurt hated it when people idolized him but still.. he made amazing music. He's inspired some of the music that I've made. I wish I could have seen Nirvana live or something :(
Theres no way to ever know if kurt killed himself or not, but what i do know, is that his music stands for something, its got passion, raw energy, has it all. thats why we still look up to him after all these years.
The sadest part to me is that he could never move on from the pain he suffered as a child. Many of who us loved his music and connected with his pain were able to live a good life and still carry the scars. We all want something real and good and what Kurt found out is that the world he did business in was as foul as any other. It just brought him down more. Even his bitch of a wife was no more than a fucking leach.
This programme is brilliant.Plenty of post-cobain documentarites have made his suicide out to be something glamorous. This doesn't do that, purely because the people they choose to interview are entirely relevant, ie. his contemporaries and bandmates.Plus Grohl is brilliant; 'shall i just shake a rattle or something?'Haha.. The 'white light/white heat' episode is my favourite,same approach with Syd Barrett...Full marks to the bbc for showing it's still the great institution it's always been.
fuck....it kills me how Dave says, "If I could change anything I'd wish that Kurt was still alive, that's the only thing, that's it."....like he knows that it without a shadow of a doubt.. fuck.
'If I could change anything I'd wish that Kurt was still alive, that's the only thing, that's it.' Dave Grohl
'I'm sad that he died so young, because I feel he was moving out of songwriting and into a new phrase, and it could have been extraordinary, but he didn't make it' Michael Stipe
'Kurt Cobain was a brilliant artist, and he could have done whatever he wanted, and been really good at it' Krist Novoselic
i no this band has no bearing on grunge rock whatsoever but they are an alternative rock band in that they are mainly funk rock and i think they deserve a mention atleast once in this programme is the Red hot chilli peppers. I meen they have been going at it now for nearly 25 years and still keep coming up with the goods. Btw im a massive RHCP fan and feel sometimes they dont get the credit they deserve. Just my opinion your all free to disagree.
IDK if it will be "Grunge" when it comes back but I think pure rock n roll is on its way... The american government is in an unstable state, the young people lack a voice, and the music of today is growing mighty stale. If I see Emo, Screamo, Post, or Core tagged onto another myspace band that adds me im starting a fucking riot. Just give time the real punk rock mentality will eventually come back in some form of another.
'im sad he died so young because i thibk he was just moving out of a phrase of wrighting into a new phase that might have extrodanery but he didnt make it' mike sripe (REM)
Idiot. You obviously aren't paying attention to today's metal scene. Mastadon *cough* *cough* Lamb of God *cough cough* Down, High on Fire, Machine Head, Sword, Chimera, etc etc etc. Metal survives because the musicians can actually play their fucking instruments and it's audience isn't pretentious art school junkies.
wow, i can't believe you morons still use sub genres. hell, those are like sub sub genres. if it sounds like thrash, its thrash. either way, its all metal.
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what a waste of time...
basically the whole thing is about Nirvana, who are sort of overrated anyways and well... weak minded people do retarded things like... say... commit suicide?
I hate Charles R. Cross because he always say shit about Kurt. I bet that his Kurt's Biography is full of crap just because Courtney "Whore" bought the rights of it and want to make a film about it.
the book is very good and courtney bought the rights to it this year and the book was published in 2001.trust me the book is great any nirvana or kurt cobain fan should have it
Yeah lots of bands important to the 'indie movement' left out...SY, Dinosaur, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Husker Du, Melvins, Mudhoney, Butthole Surfers, My Bloody Valentine etc.. without these bands laying the foundation in the underground, Nirvana may not have received the amount of recognition they did. They'll always be amazing, but so will the bands that never had commercial success deserved it every bit as much.
I've always thought nirvanas performance on unplugged absolutely blew every other unplugged performance away. It's not even close. It's extremely somber and sad and really is like his swan song. And krist is right, kurt was an artist, he would have been good at whatever form of art he chose, be it writing, painting, sculpting, playing guitar, singing, wutever, he would have been good at it. Rip kurt.
i used to think that selling out was the worst think u can do if u have a band. then i realized that why should there be a problem if u stay true to yourself and u get some money for doing what u do best. im not saying sell out or anything like it. but noone cares that davinci had to paint for a f.cking pope or king. if mozart had to make music for the church . or michangelo had to paint in the vatican . all that stays is the art nobody cares how u pay the rent
I agree British rock gives american posers a run for their money, but grunge its the first time that the US produces something good, authentic... something that goes beyond making money. That´s why everybody respects Kurt´s legacy.
i watched all of this documentaries and they are ok if u know nothing about rock. but when u kinda know a little more of the story this documentaries leave u with a taste of nothingness. they talk about pixies like 1 minute and they totally ignored sonic youth. if u wanna watch something really good that i feel lets u inside way more into the intimacy of nirvana and all that movement without lame voice tellling u "what happened" then watch 1991 the year punk broke
Kurt is missed quite a lot. Justice for Kurt, look it up. The media loves buying into Kurt's death to bring in money. They don't talk about Courtney enough. Watch "Kurt and Courtney" and don't read "Heavier than Heaven", a book by the interviewed Charles Cross with much help from Courtney.
Fuc#$%&/ In this edition of TV programme for Latin America, VH1 do not transmitted it altogether. I am now seeing parts of the video that never saw on TV. Anyone know if I can buy the complete documental at any online store?
I guess the best thing you can do to honor Kurt´s memory is just enjoy his music and let him rest in peace. No fucking shirts or souvenirs, just listen to his music and remember him as a human being and artist.
oh man sometimes i stop to listen the nirvana's music but some point of my life i turn back to listen that great fucking sound.....PD: sorry!!...mi english sucks
thats weird i thought this was the history of alt rock not just REM and Nirvana. One little mention of Smashing Pumpkins, wow. They were one, if not the biggest alt rock bands ever
mitchqqqqqq 1 week ago
this entire episode depresses me :(
samruiz0000 1 month ago
oh man can you image R.E.M. and Nirvana collaborating on an album? Damn
homiedude333 1 month ago
fucking and where the strokes left the sons of bitches all .. suckle his mother skunk if it is the more righteous band of the last decade ..!!! She rescued the rock
JATAMACHAN 2 months ago
Just watch the first part of this video of Dave Grohl after watching the end, It really cracks you up!! No sadness, always look on the bright side of life!
erwinruys 2 months ago
I recall when I heard his death and the way he dies I was super angry. Some how I knew Grunge was coming to an end it was way too short. My geneartion had to wait a long time to be heard thanks to the baby boomers and now what has replaced the meaingfull music I came to love? More Commerical crap. If you seek me you will find me left of the dial like in the old days. PEACE
cmtmj2006 3 months ago
i want to say this
dont blame me for the shit played now
blame ipod and 12 year olds
systemofachemicalnir 3 months ago
This eyes in 6:29 have a image of god to me...Love you man!
Voicecolors 5 months ago
kurt cobain was and still is my very one hero. He was the reason to pick up a guitar, to appasionately love music. and, like bob dylan, my biggest respect for him stands for his autenticity. RIP Kurt. You are missed
hungerstriker27 6 months ago
Does anyone know what the music at 1:39 is?
nymphuk 6 months ago
Great, just wat i have 2 hear after the death of one of the greatest rock stars on earth, a Killers commercial, i mean, theres no soul in it
ingk2 7 months ago
i can not imagine myself how dave and krist both felt when they were in that studio listening to the whole unplugged thing and finishing the recording process, rest in peace Kurt Cobain.
cldr22 8 months ago
'come as you are' sounds magical acoustically.
MrXxiii 9 months ago
what's the music starts 1.40?
losputtanatore 10 months ago
krist novaselich looks like all of the ghostbusters (except the black one) rolled into one
astroboirap 1 year ago 6
the ending makes me sadd still. we all know the ending of nirvana, and 16 yrs later I'm still saddin, and angered....
penntuckian 1 year ago
The early 90's were a unique era in music and art. A time when an artist could lay bare his emotions in a song, and it didn't really matter if he was the most technically competent musician. Today, I am sorry to say, "artists" seem more like they're all dressing up and playing rock star. Welcome back to the 1980's...
berenanarion213 1 year ago 6
@berenanarion213 yes that meens the 90s repeates
prestmon888 8 months ago
the end made me cry
LilC2012 1 year ago
What Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic and even Michael Stipe say at the end here is so heartbreaking. Kurt could've taken his music anywhere, had he gotten his demons under control. I get even more upset looking at today's young music stars who have almost none of the drive or the passion or perhaps most important of all, the life experience that Kurt had. None of that is reflected in today's music.
poughkeepsiejohn1 1 year ago 7
I know that it's said too often, but after seeing such a movie like this, I get so fucking upset. The real music starts to be forgotten, and all those motherfuckers like Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga get plenty of chances. These people got a team of 30 men at their disposal who make a song for them and let them sing it. Where has the passion gone?
FearThisChannel 1 year ago
Damn the end is so sad with Krist tlaking about Kurt. I tear up every time I watch
eddie5129 1 year ago
though nirvana is amazing, they should talk about red hot chili peppers, smashing pumpkins and pearl jam, they focused way too much on nirvana and r.e.m. this is a documentary on alternative music
sircharliesavior 1 year ago
This was a good doc but it felt to me more like a Kurt Cobain bio.
albk12345 1 year ago
Thank you, bermudezang! WMG are stupid, soulless bastards but your efforts are very much appreciated.
tahloolahlee 1 year ago
theres a rumor that kurt had a new Girlfriend and was planing on leaving courtney...and there is many more rumors!
davie96667 1 year ago
@davie96667 *are
amaddb04 1 year ago
@davie96667 Id beleive it, Courtney was a total bitch. I would of blown my fucking head off too if i was with her, Now that bitch is still here except with all of kurts money
MetalFeast9 1 year ago 2
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davie96667 1 year ago
Yeah, I think PJ's first 3 are their best and only the first 2 would I consider essential. Mojo magazine in a 1996 review of Neil Young's 'Mirrorball' album (where PJ was his backing band) said, "Nirvana had the substance, Pearl Jam had the fluff." Overstated but I still think there is a grain of truth in that. Still, it doesn't stop me from enjoying their music. Besides, Soundgarden was better than both bands!! :-)
metlmick 1 year ago
Did anyone else got watering eyes by hearing Nirvana here? When i saw that episode (Left of the dial) i came to understand that with Kurt Cobain honesty pretty much died in music business, with the exception of Radiohead.
makidtrej 1 year ago 9
thanks to the uploader for posting but out of sync, can you fix?
coughcool72 1 year ago
so sad the bit at 6.55 i think where Dave Grohl talks about the one thing he'd change.
paulinelt27 1 year ago 3
that stare at 6.29 is like hes just remembered he left the stove on...lol
powertrust71 2 years ago 3
@powertrust71 LOL agreed
kittygotstyle 1 year ago
I thought "The Burn out" Quote is from The Highlander movie
Tacom4ster 2 years ago
the climax of Where did you sleep last night is amazing.
PhilJamesTaylor 2 years ago
lets put it this way, there's no more poetry in music these day's, and the 90's rock and roll was grunge, but the 2000's rock and roll bring nothing to the table to have young people relate to, the lyrics tell little to no story and pretty much any one can get a record deal these day's if they can rhyme and rap or sing songs along with a night club beat...All I have to say is fucking A.
PoliceA404 2 years ago 5
i mostly agree, there are still some really good quality bands though. some not as hard as grunge but still good. bands like the white stripes, kings of leon, muse, wolfmother, eskimo joe.
other bands like cog really have the potential to bring good loud meaningful music back.
dont forget grohl either, foo fighters, somewhat successful (lol) and every bit as good as nirvana as well as his latest project, them crooked vultures (also featuring josh homme [QOTSA), John Paul Jones [zeppelin])
boothyno19 1 year ago
i loved this show. me, my brother, and my sister all watched Nirvana in Reading in HD then we watched this and i almost cried. we all enjoyed it except it was sooo sad at the end when it talked about trying to save kurt from his depression and then dave and krist were talking about his death and it was sooo sad):
r.i.p kurt <3
pollywolly67 2 years ago
Too bad the documentary focuses so much on Nirvana, and not so much on the bands that paved the way, would have loved to have heard more about Black Flag, The Replacements, Dinosaur Jr. etc..
RyanNakur 2 years ago
too bad u seem to focus on this one instead of the entire video parts or never really seen this show.... they do not focus on nirvana... I also like Dino Jr. and so on!
TheMac5010 2 years ago
I saw the whole series. They simply do, there is a little bit of talk about 'left of the dial', but the rest is pretty much about REM, Nirvana and the political circumstances under which alternative music of the late 80's and early 90's was shaped .
They also discuss Black Flag a bit, but that's pretty much it.
RyanNakur 2 years ago
Agreed! Has there been an "official" Nirvana documentary made? I would like to see some of those other bands mentioned as well.
cauthoncrazy 2 years ago
April 5,1994 the day great and more importanly REAL music died,with the last great rocker Kurt Cobain,R.I.P.
PopCultureSucks 2 years ago 24
There was a time when I would agree with you, but Radiohead and Jeff Buckley rose after him, and they were both 'great' and 'real.' But I agree it's been downhill since Kurt died.
kkwillsaveus 2 years ago
Great musician, but no. Pearl Jam are still going strong, and they were much better than Nirvana. And if Cobain was still alive, Nirvana would either be irrelevant of broken up.
RIP Kurt.
jamielowndes 2 years ago
Going strong? Their last album was poo, and so were several prior to that. Honestly, the only Pearl Jam albums that I can listen to all the way through are Ten and Vs. Vitalogy has a few good songs but was inconsistent and a let down from Vs. Nirvana, if around today, would be far from irrelevant, though they probably wouldn't be popular. Cobain even said that he was planning on going in a different direction after In Utero - something more like New Wave.
VegitoVai90 2 years ago
Last album was critically acclaimed, and a great change in direction. Vitalogy has some of their best songs ever. The only albums I consider no good is Binaural, and that was a weak point for the band at the time. As good as Nirvana are to listen to, I cant help but think theyre slightly overrated based on Cobains death. Pearl Jam headlined Reading in 2006, Lollapalooza in 07, and Bonaroo in 09, theyre doing pretty well.
jamielowndes 2 years ago 3
To each his own. In Utero was more gritty and had the sound Nirvana was looking for, but it was still grunge, and Cobain said he was done with grunge after that. He said he was experimenting with a lot of different sounds and wanted his fourth album to be much, much different. Obviously that wasn't going to happen, and what a bummer that is, I'm sure it would have been their White Album. Anyway, if you like Pearl Jam's later stuff then that's fine, but to me it's just not appealing.
VegitoVai90 2 years ago
I think thats the case with a lot of people with Pearl Jam. Their later stuff, people kinda took it or left it. Lot of people didnt like Riot Act, I do.
jamielowndes 2 years ago
@PopCultureSucks If you look hard enough, there is still great music that has come out since Cobains death. I've never bought in to the theory that Nirvana was the last good rock band and music died the day he did.
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
@fatcatbuzz I did some thinking and they said the same thing after John Lennon died. It took about ten or so years before we saw another artist like John Lennon and that was Kurt Cobain. I don't think anymore that rock music is done, I just think now that it needs a new leader, but yes I totally agree with you.
PopCultureSucks 1 year ago
@PopCultureSucks I agree with you about the leader thing. But, for me Nirvana was just one of many bands during that time I was into. In fact, I can think of many other bands during that time that I liked just as much if not more than Nirvana. I do know what you mean. Every since about 1998, mainstream music really went downhill. There definitely hasn't been good music on commercial radio and that's what I miss most about the 80s and 90s. Even MTV has changed since the 90s. It's sad, really.
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
@PopCultureSucks i feel u man, wat ppl should do now is just starting a new band nd try 2 bring real music back, thats wat im trying 2 do, posting my songs on utube nd stuff, but nobody will ever match the awesomeness nd just the sheer power nd feeling of kurt cobain
ingk2 10 months ago
@ingk2 true WE have the power to change music and thats a brilliant idea
prestmon888 8 months ago
I don't know, I really, really don't know...I think Kurt killed himself partially because he knew where it was all going, I mean you could see the signs there, the Record companies had already turned all the sarcasm of Alternative music inside out into pretty 'sub-pop' records, what was left? But man, then I would have never imagined it would have gotten this bad.
masterpimpshinchan 2 years ago
LONG LIVE KURT COBAIN
ZunZetBaSS 2 years ago 4
YEAH LONG LIVE FOR A MUSIC GOD
Hugo75301 2 years ago 3
Woooo HOTRODS!! I love those drum sticks.
wrezlerx2 2 years ago
Nirvana are not alternative rocks greatest triumph,sorry
Noeladishi 2 years ago
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TheBeatlesLove1967 2 years ago
yea the replacements are i agree.
Facialcream13 2 years ago 3
Who are then? Radiohead? I'd go for them.
kkwillsaveus 2 years ago
Id pick the replacements or rem. Radiohead had three great albums but have faded. And prob should call it a day
Noeladishi 2 years ago
Replacements, haven't heard much by them, listened to Let it Be once. R.E.M. is my favourite band, so nice choice.
Radiohead's last 6 albums have been unreal, whichever ones you didn't like, listen again, they reveal themselves slowly, but they're genius. In Rainbows, their latest effort, is one of my favourites.
kkwillsaveus 2 years ago
good shout on replacements.
PhilJamesTaylor 2 years ago
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i think that there is like only one song from nirvana that i like, the rest i think is shit, i really really dont like nirvana,
what song is that one that they are playing in the beginning, thats the only song i like from nirvana
tuon7775 2 years ago
come as you are.
alexthemod1 2 years ago
kinda pisses me off nirvana was great but not the only alternative band more grunge than alternative. and they spent the whole thing on one alternative band.
isukatlax 2 years ago
agree, i was waiting for this doc, and they turned it into a soap opera.
fdopcs 2 years ago
Man, what Krist says at the end really chokes you up.
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MonroeOgden 2 years ago
so sadd,even to this day. to think of what kurt could of done more in music or life.
penntuckian 2 years ago 4
I hate reading the comments of people who expect musicians to be becons of a certain lifestyle. So Kurt had a big house, so he took drugs, so fucking what.
He was a great song writer, and a troubled person, nothing more nothing less. Of course he wasnt flawless, you cant expect that of him.
vocabindial 2 years ago 3
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i dont think he was a great song writer, i think all of his songs are a pile of crap, i hate nirvana, and i absolutely fucking hate kurt cobain, i hate the sound of his songs, i hate the melody and all the fucking rest
tuon7775 2 years ago
none of u understood kurt...
BlitzBoy85 2 years ago
unsigned alternative artist-please check out my songs on my channel---thanks,, jonathan
jmInDreams 2 years ago
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Another thing, Kurt was a hypocrite. He bashed all the bands from that era all the time for being to commercial yet he was worse than all of them. Instead of buying the big mansion, he would live in penthouse accomodations. He loved the life. He would bitch all the time when his shit was not played enough on MTV. He set out to be famous from day one.
Don't think for a second that you make that kind of commercial record (Nevermind) by mistake. He knew what he was doing. He's no Eddie.
kemper2424 2 years ago
Kurt was a great songwriter, no doubt. But the very best from that era was Eddie Vedder. Absolutly no other artist has such talent as a songwiter and lyricist and yet goes about it with absolute grace and dignity.
kemper2424 2 years ago
That last bit on Unplugged when he stops and opens his eyes and then crys the last few notes, that really got me, R.I.P Kurt.
LikeARollingRock 2 years ago 3
he may hav created grunge but he brought back a lot of stuff back to rock in general. great voice, great musician, great songwriter. xxx
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tandy40 2 years ago
R.I.P Kurt Cobain, you may be dead but you music will live on forever in my heart and many others alike.
Jonds12 2 years ago
its not stupid pepol who comit suicide, its those not strong enough to live the truth they were inteligent enough to understand.
desasterz 2 years ago 5
sync it asswipe
Analfracture 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks he's a coward for killing himself i disagree with. Takes alot of balls to shoot yourself in the face, especially when you have as much as he did to live for. Which is why i to this day don't think he did it by himself.
shane31lv 2 years ago
Its a little bit of both. Sure, it might not be cowardly to go through with blowing your brains out and ending everything, but at the same time it's cowardly that he decided to deal with his life that way (ending it).
NoRulesInNam 2 years ago
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kurt cobain pisses me right off, i like him and i hate him he had the whole world at his feet and he takes the cowerd way out of life by killing himself.
there thousands of bands out there that a great but cant get a record deal and theres kurt cobain saying shit like i hate myself and i wanna die.
thats bullshit and hes ment 2 be a spokesmen of his generation.
that why the yanks are full of shit
taylorjaybass 2 years ago
Ok, I like Nirvana as a band but I don't really like Kurt and I definitely can't stand his fanboys. However, he never asked to be a "spokesman of his generation". He was only labeled as such by the stupid media and treated as such. I don't recall him ever asking to be anyone's spokesman or idol or role model. No doubt what he did to himself was shitty, considering he had a kid...
NoRulesInNam 2 years ago
Omg how can u hate some1 u don't know ..?
I love his music cause it speaks 2 me , I've seen some of his home movies/interviews , read some of his journal(couldn't invade his privacy that much) , read some of his quotes he's a laid back, open minded , I don't care what u think about me kind of guy
EVERY1 would love him ! !!!!!
born2pwnubes 2 years ago
I don't hate Kurt. I don't like him either. Even though I like the music and there were things about him that I liked (for instance, his stance on homophobia and racism), I can not condone what he did in any way.
NoRulesInNam 2 years ago
Have you ever experienced withdrawl symptoms from heavy drug use? I haven't either but i can only imagine it puts you into your own personal hell and probably hard to think about others.
shane31lv 2 years ago
forever kurt cobain!!
tainaS2petrukio 2 years ago
so like me
donnybasshero 2 years ago
DAMON ALBARN RULES BRIT|POP 4EVER
jo7dan118 2 years ago
true this. albarns the man
FILTHYDOLLABOYS 2 years ago
they sent jason bourne to wack kurt cobain
fishbonus 2 years ago
Well Yusef, but Nirvana or Kurt´s image hasn´t really fade away, have they? I don´t think he saw the world the way you see it. He just lost the plot, I don´t see a spoil lad, just some one who lost direction. But definately I refuse to belive he would feel he was sentenced to fade away if he would have chosen to keep up with his music. As far as I´m concerned. He was a great musician, great writter.
borregon3 2 years ago
It's pathetic if KC quoted that dumb Neil Young lyric in his suicide note. Pathetic and stupid. In fact, almost pathetic and stupid enough for me to lose respect. If KC perceived his choice as being between suicide and fading away and he chose suicide, he must have thought any continuing creative effort on his part was just a fading away. If so, there's no soul there. There's a spoiled, self-centered brat.
YusefAsabiyah 2 years ago
Interesting comment. But the "fading away" alternative was not related to the creativity flow, but to the "drug spin" he knew he couldn't control anymore. Cheers!
ronnias27 2 years ago
my exact opinion is wut Sebassthien says. i rly dont think Nirvana should be the band to represent the early rise of the alternative rock subgenre. they have some ok songs, but their too destructive. they dont have that kind of ring and/or 'chime' in their sound that actually defines the alt-rock sound like Pearl Jam and them. and not to mention that Nirvana is HORRIBLY overrated
videojudge01 2 years ago
Kurt Kobain seems like a nice guy though and i do still respect the guy. even he himself didnt like how Teen Spirit got so popular above almost all their other stuff. but seriously, his band really didnt have the true elements of the alt-rock sound.
plus their music is the exact opposite of wut the word "nirvana" actually means. i mean LOOK IT UP
videojudge01 2 years ago
come on. maybe thats your opinion and i respect that but lets live it to individuals to judge what they like to listen to.
don't have to impose your point of view on others on which band (s) should've taken the credit. if you like pearl jam and etc, thats good but you dont have to go so far and flame nirvana just because you dont find their sound 'appealing'.
vtec82 2 years ago
yea i know. but its just that i'm so tired of everywhere i try to go to find other elements of the alt-rock sound, i hav to go through like seas of Nirvana jazz before i can get even just the least bit satisfied. i know that if it werent for Nirvana, fuckin hair metal would still be fagging up the place (but, not to mention, now we have to work on eliminating Emo.)
videojudge01 2 years ago
yeah. emo / screamo / post-hardcore scene. they're music is kinda good. but i just dont get it when they scream every now and then. and their image-conscious mindset which funnily reminds me of those 80s hair-metal bands.
vtec82 2 years ago 3
16 seconds dave
wtf?
haha
krissdvii 3 years ago
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borregon3 3 years ago
You can feel Novoselic´s nostalgy as he speaks of Kurt. He really belived in him, he really felt it!!!
borregon3 3 years ago
ha they did more than pull the unplugged gig off
1Junkhead1 3 years ago
i HATE all the stupids what says that NIRVANA IS GRUNGE AND THE GRUNGE DIED WITH KURT COBAIN... i saw all the freacking documentary and i really expected something else... man... like an hour talking of nirvana and kurt... what about PEARL JAM what about ALICE IN CHAINS, SOUNDGARDEN, TEMPLE OF THE DOG...
Sebassthien 3 years ago
yr totaly right
daywayja 3 years ago
i liked the documentary but to make a documentary on alternative american rock and just making passing references to alice in chains pearl jam or the smashing pumpkins kinda sucks... nirvana and rem were great but there was more to it
smashing86 3 years ago
1991, i was eighteen and the music scene was unbelieveable.today im thirty five and i feel for the kids of today.the music SUCKS.there will never be a better time for music than early nineties. god help us
bzph666 3 years ago 5
I'll help! We are the Desasterz. We have nothing but 10 songs,a couple of 270 dolar guitars,a cheap bass,a cheap bass amp and a guitar amp a guitar player in francewe are in england)and a crap mp3 player to record songs with,it makes them sound stressful.we sing bout how todays music sucks, how social life is brainless,how the media gets money out of the naivity of younth that now goes up to jujing the ones who are free from all that.nd about the horor of drugs that pepol never learn from.
desasterz 3 years ago
subtitles in spanish please :(
z150a 3 years ago
i wish i ºcould have seen nirvana live
baker242424 3 years ago
(U) x
Opalxoxo 3 years ago
god... i almost cried after seeing that kurt was dead, he was not just a muscician, he was obviously a great man despite his depression, god, if I had been there seeing in the news that kurt was dead i would cry like never before, god bless kurt, god bless nirvana, god bless r.e.m., god bless them all
theXramoneXpistolsXP 3 years ago
This video almost brought tears to my eyes, I know that Kurt hated it when people idolized him but still.. he made amazing music. He's inspired some of the music that I've made. I wish I could have seen Nirvana live or something :(
iamsimplymyself 3 years ago
sad
derweises 3 years ago
Theres no way to ever know if kurt killed himself or not, but what i do know, is that his music stands for something, its got passion, raw energy, has it all. thats why we still look up to him after all these years.
DrFrylock 3 years ago 5
u said it, kurt rulez!
theXramoneXpistolsXP 3 years ago
does anyone know the name of the music in the background between 2:25 and 3:52 or is it not even a song?
ianperry823 3 years ago
lol 0:00 - 0:20
grindmike1 3 years ago
Does anyone know the name of that piano piece Mike Mills was playing at the end?
khrusk 3 years ago
I think it's Nightswimming R.E.M
kkwillsaveus 3 years ago
The sadest part to me is that he could never move on from the pain he suffered as a child. Many of who us loved his music and connected with his pain were able to live a good life and still carry the scars. We all want something real and good and what Kurt found out is that the world he did business in was as foul as any other. It just brought him down more. Even his bitch of a wife was no more than a fucking leach.
cmtmj2007 3 years ago
This programme is brilliant.Plenty of post-cobain documentarites have made his suicide out to be something glamorous. This doesn't do that, purely because the people they choose to interview are entirely relevant, ie. his contemporaries and bandmates.Plus Grohl is brilliant; 'shall i just shake a rattle or something?'Haha.. The 'white light/white heat' episode is my favourite,same approach with Syd Barrett...Full marks to the bbc for showing it's still the great institution it's always been.
woodstock135 3 years ago
fuck....it kills me how Dave says, "If I could change anything I'd wish that Kurt was still alive, that's the only thing, that's it."....like he knows that it without a shadow of a doubt.. fuck.
wrezlerx2 3 years ago 4
'If I could change anything I'd wish that Kurt was still alive, that's the only thing, that's it.' Dave Grohl
'I'm sad that he died so young, because I feel he was moving out of songwriting and into a new phrase, and it could have been extraordinary, but he didn't make it' Michael Stipe
'Kurt Cobain was a brilliant artist, and he could have done whatever he wanted, and been really good at it' Krist Novoselic
What moving words.
kkwillsaveus 3 years ago 2
almost makes me cry this video
myselfmet4evr 3 years ago
i no this band has no bearing on grunge rock whatsoever but they are an alternative rock band in that they are mainly funk rock and i think they deserve a mention atleast once in this programme is the Red hot chilli peppers. I meen they have been going at it now for nearly 25 years and still keep coming up with the goods. Btw im a massive RHCP fan and feel sometimes they dont get the credit they deserve. Just my opinion your all free to disagree.
rocknotrave 3 years ago
that look in his eyes at 6:29 is just so strong its amaizng
Mavarik 3 years ago
IDK if it will be "Grunge" when it comes back but I think pure rock n roll is on its way... The american government is in an unstable state, the young people lack a voice, and the music of today is growing mighty stale. If I see Emo, Screamo, Post, or Core tagged onto another myspace band that adds me im starting a fucking riot. Just give time the real punk rock mentality will eventually come back in some form of another.
iamwood 3 years ago 2
'im sad he died so young because i thibk he was just moving out of a phrase of wrighting into a new phase that might have extrodanery but he didnt make it' mike sripe (REM)
LudwigVan0191 3 years ago
R.I.P Kurt Cobain the last great rock star.
rocknotrave 3 years ago 5
here here
rocknrolleyesss 3 years ago
Mark my words, one day grunge will rise again...
RangerUTG 3 years ago 2
There are those who said true thrash would rise again..
And hair would rise again...
And punk...
And of course grunge...
It ain't happening.
xoxgodofgodsgodxx 3 years ago
Idiot. You obviously aren't paying attention to today's metal scene. Mastadon *cough* *cough* Lamb of God *cough cough* Down, High on Fire, Machine Head, Sword, Chimera, etc etc etc. Metal survives because the musicians can actually play their fucking instruments and it's audience isn't pretentious art school junkies.
jkoff76 3 years ago
Oh yeah, all of the post thrash bands definitely. And of course post___ (and genre listed above).
Peace..
xoxgodofgodsgodxx 3 years ago
wow, i can't believe you morons still use sub genres. hell, those are like sub sub genres. if it sounds like thrash, its thrash. either way, its all metal.
MetallicTheater93 3 years ago
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what a waste of time...
basically the whole thing is about Nirvana, who are sort of overrated anyways and well... weak minded people do retarded things like... say... commit suicide?
oh well.. rant over/
faver87 3 years ago
It probably means that there is something wrong with society.
tristanXIV 3 years ago
I hate Charles R. Cross because he always say shit about Kurt. I bet that his Kurt's Biography is full of crap just because Courtney "Whore" bought the rights of it and want to make a film about it.
LIVE KURT COBAIN!
petunia99 3 years ago
the book is very good and courtney bought the rights to it this year and the book was published in 2001.trust me the book is great any nirvana or kurt cobain fan should have it
trey187123 3 years ago
The american versio if this is better, it has more mention of other artists. Plus you have more interviews with nirvana.
Mothra61 3 years ago
Where's Sonic Youth??
bloomers101 3 years ago 3
Yeah lots of bands important to the 'indie movement' left out...SY, Dinosaur, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Husker Du, Melvins, Mudhoney, Butthole Surfers, My Bloody Valentine etc.. without these bands laying the foundation in the underground, Nirvana may not have received the amount of recognition they did. They'll always be amazing, but so will the bands that never had commercial success deserved it every bit as much.
GEOpz838 3 years ago 6
I've always thought nirvanas performance on unplugged absolutely blew every other unplugged performance away. It's not even close. It's extremely somber and sad and really is like his swan song. And krist is right, kurt was an artist, he would have been good at whatever form of art he chose, be it writing, painting, sculpting, playing guitar, singing, wutever, he would have been good at it. Rip kurt.
shane31lv 3 years ago 7
The words that Novoselic says at the end are so sad. :(
Charelke1 3 years ago 7
If you were married to that cunt you'd have pulled the trigger too.
verbusen 3 years ago
is this about alternative music or kurt cobain
lorabayville 3 years ago 4
both. Kurts just a main figure
SundayMorninEveryDay 3 years ago 2
i used to think that selling out was the worst think u can do if u have a band. then i realized that why should there be a problem if u stay true to yourself and u get some money for doing what u do best. im not saying sell out or anything like it. but noone cares that davinci had to paint for a f.cking pope or king. if mozart had to make music for the church . or michangelo had to paint in the vatican . all that stays is the art nobody cares how u pay the rent
fernandamazza 3 years ago 4
thanks
TheDude4077 3 years ago
I agree British rock gives american posers a run for their money, but grunge its the first time that the US produces something good, authentic... something that goes beyond making money. That´s why everybody respects Kurt´s legacy.
jaycr2006 3 years ago 7
charles cross "romantacised" kurt cobains breakdown in a way that is unhealthy for a mass audience. agree?
vincentdorrington1 3 years ago
i watched all of this documentaries and they are ok if u know nothing about rock. but when u kinda know a little more of the story this documentaries leave u with a taste of nothingness. they talk about pixies like 1 minute and they totally ignored sonic youth. if u wanna watch something really good that i feel lets u inside way more into the intimacy of nirvana and all that movement without lame voice tellling u "what happened" then watch 1991 the year punk broke
fernandamazza 3 years ago
Kurt Cobain... +Rock In Peace+. The best, ever. Pura Vida.
nirvaner 3 years ago
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i think nirvana was just average, in my opinion british music is much better than that of united states by far.
tacosychelas 3 years ago
u ass hole britishers ... fuk u shut up... u people still eat the fukn burger with a fork,,,
blew198 3 years ago
hahaha im not british. Truth can upset sometimes
tacosychelas 3 years ago
lol
yapeoe 3 years ago
what? hahaha, Eating burgers with a fork, what the hell are you on about?
CapriceK 3 years ago
Kurt is missed quite a lot. Justice for Kurt, look it up. The media loves buying into Kurt's death to bring in money. They don't talk about Courtney enough. Watch "Kurt and Courtney" and don't read "Heavier than Heaven", a book by the interviewed Charles Cross with much help from Courtney.
RIP Kurt
sokmonkey77 3 years ago 2
R.I.P KURT WE LOVE U!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sexylatindiva4307 3 years ago 2
Fuc#$%&/ In this edition of TV programme for Latin America, VH1 do not transmitted it altogether. I am now seeing parts of the video that never saw on TV. Anyone know if I can buy the complete documental at any online store?
ambidiestro1975 3 years ago
The American version is missing parts too, which means more "Kurtness".
thatrottenzombie 3 years ago
NIRVANA for ever !!!!!!!!!
i listen the songs every day
sorry for writing mistakes
SimsG85 3 years ago
God! I miss Kurt.
I would love to hear the music he would have made as a solo artist.
shotterseire 3 years ago 2
I guess the best thing you can do to honor Kurt´s memory is just enjoy his music and let him rest in peace. No fucking shirts or souvenirs, just listen to his music and remember him as a human being and artist.
jaycr2006 3 years ago 5
oh man sometimes i stop to listen the nirvana's music but some point of my life i turn back to listen that great fucking sound.....PD: sorry!!...mi english sucks
jackjackass123 3 years ago 4
we all miss that voice
but kurt will always live in our souls:)
i fuckin get deppresed for that man
by the way courtney is a bicth :D
marielmaho 3 years ago 2