the new testament was written by apocalyptic jews (jesus was one in the earlier written gospels), but curiously not so much in the later written ones, like John. When the end did not come, certainly by the time many of the NT books were written, it all lost it's credibility (at least to non-believers like me) Christianity was a renegade apocalyptic religion based on a man's delusion that he was the messiah and for 2000 years this has been worked and re-worked, read the many generation meanings
the great day of jehovah has been near for the last 2000 years and for the modern day supposed JW's, for the last 140 or so years. the words "near, "close at hand", ad nauseum have lost all meaning.
@SHARKREEF2011 i don't know what you mean by "go to rense", please explain. Also, it would be nice if you answered my comments above...do these things I say make any sense to you whatsoever? Stuff like what is happening in the video has been happening for thousands of years, except now technology makes it easier to kill people in large numbers. The great day of Jehovah was is "always" near according to JW's, recall 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975...get the picture? WT is NOT trustworthy!
@MuscleMaxZ1 no it hasent.not all at the same time.hah.NO WAY,has these event been happening for thousands of years.maby some isolated ones,spread out through out time,but not all these events At The Same TIME.
@SHARKREEF2011 It is by their actions, that I know they are false. I am not talking about the witnesses you do what you are told, and so it looks good. However the organizations actions are what I want them to answer for.
u should go back in time,and start a campaign,against paul for the murder of stephen.and while you are at it,that Jesus guy needs to be put away too since he hangs out with hookers and crooks..
the jws actions are good fruits,and therefore the org is good too.your prob is that u cannot get your ears tickled like u want from them so u reject and attack.and im not even going to talk about your possible demonic possession u may have..
@SHARKREEF2011 Well to answer your question, Paul was not paul when he killed Stephen. The apostles followed Jesus, continued his teachings, however they didn't claim to be speak for God. They didn't claim to be God's mouthpiece. They didn't claim any of what the WT claims. That comparison doesn't work. As I said, the Witnesses make things look good, the WT has a lot to answer for. Please look at things outside the WT bubble.
@SHARKREEF2011 I hope so. If Jesus really did chose these men, if these men are the best He could do, I really would rather die at the WT armageddon. Choosing these men, this organization, shows he used very poor judgment, and really doesn't care about people. Yeah I'll have to pass on that.
@Danmera ahahahah.bullshit,dano.ive been to their meetings and its not bad at all.harmless,u act like it a British Petrolium corexit meeting,with human sacrifice-hahahahh!
me thinks thou dost protest too much!!
earn your nwo pay troll
and remember
dance,puppet,dance!!
and im not a jw.i just think you paid shills dont deserve your jobs,since the jws dont bother anyone and there message is quite relaxing.if u have a conscience.if not ,then there msg is disturbing.u disturbed danmera?
@SHARKREEF2011 Well, it's true they don't have sacrifices at their meetings, but that doesn't mean they don't have have human sacrifice. Even Jesus preferred mercy over sacrifice, but not the JW, you must die for the confusing blood issue for example. There are other examples of harm. Harmless my butt. Have YOU examined what Jesus examined when he allegedly "chose" this "religion"? There is no way Jesus would have picked them. It is the very angel of light it warns of..hiding in plain sight.
@Danmera dont eat blood,ivs are eating.simple.jesus had a group,they had overseers,they had elders,and like jesus said:they were of one mind ,one body"AND they spread the "good news of the kingdom"going from"house to house" just as jesus said.ONLY the jws fit this .sorry
@Danmera danmera u r not what u claim to be.i figure u r from a mystery religion/secret society,and r paid to post,until your masters can get rid of the witnesses.wont happen,your destiny is permanent distruction,so enjoy your perks today and for the NEAR future.u have the best suite on the titanic beezebub.
@fezik82 the bible says that Jehovah will call out all the beasts of the earth and all the birds to eat the bodies of the slain wicked .heres a quote--"birds will eat the fleshy parts of great military commanders"as for the dead in their underground bases,"tombs"you see
this physical universe and the spirits in it,and humans -we all may be thought forms in Jehovah's mind,given life,and freedom.so u see why satan will never win,since he too,is thought form(that rebelled)-just an idea?
The unburied dead, “those slain by Jehovah,” will be so enormously many that even the carrion birds and scavenging wild beasts could never take care of their consumption. The burial of even what remains after these lower creatures have their fill would be stupendous. Doubtless the Almighty God will use some highly scientific means, whether including antimatter or not, to dispose of the surplus of decaying...
bodies in a speedy and sanitary way." (Know Jehovah, p. 377)
This is said to be a process that takes "seven months" (leaving the surviving witnesses on the new earth filled w/dead bodies) according to 8/1/66 WT p. 465.
More recently, 12/1/08's WT, they used Ezekiel 39:14-16 to show that it is the survivors of Armageddon who will be cleaning up and burying the corpses for 7 months.
I think that this is very sad, God said that He, Himself will "make everything new".
@fezik82 there bodies,like dung(revelation)will be left,not buried.the forces of nature will be also used.plus there are more animals than u know,they are enough to do the job.if u survive armegeddon,u will be able to look upon rockefellers rotting corpse.he will never come back.but the little babies he sacrificed,will.
luke 21:8 folks,says about anyone saying the end is near,some bibles say do not follow,others say dont go after.the point is that there are always gonna be fools who think they know when armageddon is coming like harold camping or the watchtower,both of whom have predicted the end many times or put timelines on it.all they have done is misled ppl around in circles and thats why jesus said not to follow them.wake up ppl,your religion is not God,a religion is not gonna save you from armageddon
@trudiamond30 arrmegedon is the day your creator executes judgment on all the world.this is the day all the children sacrificed to false religion will be avenged.the ultra elite with all their gold,will throw it into the streets.since it will be worthless in this day of gods FURY.hes ANGRY,because the false religion squatters have ruined his creation.it will be a dark,stormy day where he kills most of the people who have opposed his righteous peaceful rule.its close and im not a jw
@MrMisticoMagico The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not of God, because it is built on the foundation of False Prophesy. They are Russellites, and are Arian in their teachings. Their end times prophesies started back in 1884 then went on to 1881,1914 1915 1918 1925 1942 and 1975. With a history of false prophesy like this, and the way they butcher the Scriptures, shows that they definitely are not Gods organization. They are cannot be, because they are ichabod. devoid of God, Jer.23-32.
@bobo007x x Jehovah's witnesses all call Jesus Christ ‘’a god’’ in John 1:1-3, because there is no definite article "THE" in front of the word GOD. However when the definite article "THE" is used under the original Greek of your own Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, declaring Jesus & The Holy Spirit both to be "THE GOD" In John.20:28 & Acts 5:3,4, you deny them their rightful place in the Godhead.
What blasphemy is that against Jehovah & His Eternal Word? Gal.1:6-9. Heb.10:26-31.
@bobo007xx Jehovah's witnesses all call Jesus Christ ‘’a god’’ in John 1:1-3, because there is no definite article "THE" in front of the word GOD. However when the definite article "THE" is used under the original Greek of your own Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, declaring Jesus & The Holy Spirit both to be "THE GOD" In John.20:28 & Acts 5:3,4, you deny them their rightful place in the Godhead. What blasphemy is that against Jehovah God and His Word? Gal.1:6-9. Heb.10:26-31.
@georgehuddo "godhead"??? go worship the sun you pagan.and i like pagans,but not christian pagans.u r nuts georgy.and your jesus will condemn you and all your type who commit idolatry by making ,jesus,(the SON of god),GOD.
btw,what does "only begotton son(jesus) mean,
come on give me some more of your mental masturbation gobidygook flumigations...
Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell U, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Are FUTURE sins forgiven U simple because U believe JC died for you? If you answer YES to this question, than you are free to sin. If U answer NO and say it's down to us to repent, ppl were repenting before the time of JC, so, what's the point of JC being crucified. JC, PROPHET, and he will return..
Looks like JW's revel in the upcoming destruction of everyone who doesn't believe as they do. The mere thought of everyone else's destruction sends shivers up their spine, as they endlessly wait in anticipation of our demise.
Yes the great day were your loving god murders and slaughters the people it supposedly loves and only takes the people he wants with him to heaven even though he said that he loves them all the same. Yes. well im going to stay nuthing because this will never happen.
you concentrate in the objects, pictures, earthy things, you don´t think in Jesus
He died for you, the only madiator between God and men Jesus, No body may be save but thru Jesus. He is the only way. This voice is satanic, The Lord rebuke you. He is in the right hand of the Father.
GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON.Jesus said he's God's Son-Matthew 3:17,Mark 9:7,Psalms 2:7,Luke 9:35,Prov.8:22.DEMONS,expelled said he's Son of God-Luke 4:41.Matt.8:29, Mark3:11.Others said he's Son-John1:14,49,3:17,5:18,36,6:46,10:36,Mark15:39,Matthew 26:63,27:40. Hebrews10:29,4:14.An angel said he's Son-Luke1:35.Jehovah God is Jesus' God-John15:1,16:3,30,20:17, Matt.26:26,36-44,64,Mark15:34,Ephesians1:17.Son=Mediator-1Timothy 2:5,Heb.1:3,4,8:6,9:15,12:24, Romans1:4,8,9,Acts7:55,56.
I make a mistake on one of my two points supporting 587 BC instead of 607, and I admitted it. The JW will never accept real history because the Watchtower is his idol.
This thread is not about modern world history like the invasion of Iraq (and you're wrong about what I believed about that). It's about JW prophecy based on shaky dates.
Good JW's know they should trust what their idol, the Watchtower, says about anything Bible or history related.
There is no evidence that the dates of 587 BC, 539 BC or 14 AD are manipulated. They are accepted by all good archaeologists & historians.
Again, the JW's faith in 1914 is built on the shaky foundation of a false "607 BC" date. The WT picks and chooses what history and science it wants to accept -- and they aren't the only religion that does this.
History is not "belief". It's about facts. Only high-control groups like the Watchtower would want you to "believe" in dates as if this helped prove that their religion is correct.
Factual dates in history include 587 BC for Jerusalem's first destruction, 539 BC for the Medo-Persian invasion of Babylon, and 14 AD for the death of Augustus Caesar. The WT accepts 539 and 14 because these support their theology, but disregard the 587 BC factual date because it contradicts their theology.
Preterists don't believe Revelation was written in 96CE. So every anti-Preterist thing sheechpaw says only matters to anti-Preterists. I'm not a Preterist. All I'm saying is that JW's think their view is the only possible right one. This is evident when the JW's use words like "obviously" and when they inaccurately cite a 607 BC date that only they themselves advocate for their own narrow purposes.
Much JW theology hinges on the 2,520 year prophecy starting from the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem (supposedly in 607 BC) until 1914. However the claimed date of 607 BC is inaccurate and deceitful. All reliable historical sources including the British Museum place the date at 587-586 BC. 607 BC is wrong so 1914 (2520 years later) is wrong. How the JW's got 2520 years is dubious and complicated.
But they have long put faith in dates their leaders put out for them to swallow.
Yes Jesus said "the END will come" -- but the end of what? JW's impose an "end of all humanity except for our organization" interpretation on that verse. Jesus wasn't saying that. JW theology involves the interpretation of the entire book of Revelation as pointing to their organization as God's only true servant from 1919 forward.
There are multiple other reasonable interpretations of the Bible's "end". Matt. 24 was entirely fulfilled in the first century according to the Preterist view.
Seismologists use scientific criteria based on actual measurements. End-time religions proclaim "the end is near" based on guesswork and arbitrary interpretations.
Jesus urged skepticism about end-time claims. "Men will tell you 'there he is!' or 'here he is!' Do not go off running after them." - Luke 17:23
So people shouldn't even be proclaiming their guesswork in the first place, because when they're wrong they look like liars.
"The great day of Jehovah is near" said the Watchtower / JW's and predicted dates of 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and before the end of the 20th century. They still say it's near.
Even an atheist like me can see that the Watchtower & JW's misuse the Bible to support their own ideology. One doesn't have to believe the Bible to see when it's being used as a tool.
our loving father,,, ,is close to bringing the evils off our world to an end ,,,,humanity is clever with technology.....,but not great in looking after our selves ....we cant go on ,accepting drugs, fossil fuels , worshiping money ,and glamour ..i cant wait for ever lasting life through jehovah .
The Watchtower ruined many lives by its false teachings of dates such as 1925, 1975, the end of the 20th century and many others. So it's appropriate that Proverbs 11:9 has been brought to our attention in light of Jesus' admonition that no man knows the day or hour.
By knowledge that the Watchtower has continually raised false hopes, people can be rescued from serving man. People should not trust an organization, as indicated in Ps. 146:3 "Do not put your trust in the son of earthling man."
What "the end" really is -- that's quite controversial and open to interpretation. One thing is for sure : Adventist and end-time groups have consistently proclaimed dates for the absolute end of this world's system, and they are batting .000. So since nobody can conclusively prove what the end really is, and end-time groups keep guessing wrong -- it seems prudent to view all these desperate warnings of the end with a touch of skepticism.
@sheechpaw - That was written 2600 years ago. That isn't "hurrying very much". Unless he was talking about the first destruction of Jerusalem (in 587 BCE). That would make more sense.
@sheechpaw cont'd Rom 13 and being a police officer
Where did Jehovah or Jesus forbid you? Cmp Acts 10 about Cornelius, an ARMY OFFICER who became a Christian: There's not a single instance in the Gospels indicating that he ever left the Roman Army. Not one.
I know [?] you will quote John 17:16. But it isn't as simple as using ONE scripture only to defend your position. You have to take all the scriptural context into consideration. Cmp John 18 what Jesus may have meant.
So what are you going to do about it while we are still here in "the present system of things" [Watchtower buzz sentence not found in the Bible]? In Rom 13 the worldly authorities are even called "God's servant". So it can't be all that bad being, for example, an armed police officer in a democratic country fighting organized crime, can it?
Rather than being a passive JW bystander selfishly waiting for others to help you out of the situation if you are attacked?
@sheechpaw - You're right that the Nabonidus Chronicle only covers 539 and not the time of Jerusalem's destruction. However Ptolemy's Canon does cover all the time of the Babylonian kings up through its fall in 539, so I stand by that one.
However you offer nothing to prove 587 is the wrong date for Jerusalem's destruction other than Watchtower theology. So I stand by my description of your faith in the 607 date as Quixotic if you even understand what that means.
I remember years ago having read about & studied info about Ptolemy's Canon: You are right, it DOES cover all the time of the Babylonian kings up through its fall in 539. They made the assertion about 587 so they - not us - are the ones responsible to prove they are right about 587.
So far I have never seen nor read any such evidence. They aren't going to admit failure because they can't go against their "Faithful and Discreet Slave"- class in their two-class system!
@sheechpaw - I do know how to count. The 70 years apply to "the nations" and not specifically to Jerusalem. Those 70 years span from 609 BC when Babylon overthrew Assyria and ended in 539 BC when the Medes and Persians invaded Babylon. Every impartial historian agrees with this assessment, which is why the date is placed at 587 according to reliable scholars.
Continue on your quixotic quest to paint anyone who disagrees with the Watchtower as "shameful" and anti-God if it makes you feel better.
@sheechpaw - It seems like you're saying "Let the Watchtower be found true". Secular history doesn't disagree with the Bible as to the date of Jerusalem's destruction, it only disagrees with Watchtower publications. So you can stop with the "shame and terror" language.
Ptolemy's Canon, the Nabonidus Chronicle, and archaeological research into sites at Jerusalem, Lachish, Tell Beit Mirsim, and synchronization with thousands of documents from both Babylon and Egypt support the 587-586 BC date.
@sheechpaw - Even die-hard Watchtower believers must have some problem accepting the "overlapping generation" doctrine they've put out there for the last couple of years. However as with all other things that high-control religions teach, cognitive dissidence and passive acceptance come into play, and all doubts and reasonings are submerged until some later time, or possiblye forever.
@sheechpaw - Every historian who isn't religiously biased has pointed to 587-586 BCE as the correct year for the overthrow of Jerusalem, including those at the British Museum. The 70 years applies to the nations as a whole, and not to Jerusalem specifically. Again, the Watchtower accepts the 539 BCE date as the overthrow of the city of Babylon. However, the very same sources who provide the 539 date also provided us the 587-586 date. Obviously the WT is cherry-picking dates to suit its theology.
@sheechpaw - Yes Hawkings uses the phraseology of God just like Einstein does. That doesn't mean either of them believed in a personal jealous God who must be worshipped.
BTW I never claimed that JW's invented Bible terminology like great earthquakes. I just claim they bend them to use to support their unorthodox end-time theology, as do other millenialist / adventist groups. I also point out that all such religions have always been 100% wrong in their assertions and predictions.
So the Watchtower is now teaching "overlapping generations" equal one generation. That means someone living in 1914 has a lifespan that overlaps with some other theoretical person (possibly could have been born in the late 20th century), who then survives until Armageddon comes. They have inextricably tied their theology to 1914, and so they had to come up with this "overlapping generations" theory because practically everyone alive in 1914 has died. This is theological trickery at its finest.
@rhodanageorge - It's evident that they can increase their membership by periodically building up excitement for certain dates.
I'm not a mind-reader as to "why" they would do that. Perhaps the WT leadership enjoys its power and influence over its adherents. For some reason they continue to hang on to the 1914 doctrine in spite of the fact that it's based on a date they know is inaccurate: 607 BCE.
It's been 97 years since 1914. In the 19th century and up to 1914, the Watchtower said the world system (governments, religion, business) would suffer their Armageddon in 1914. After 1914, the Watchtower has preached that Armageddon would come a "short time" after 1914. For over 60 years each, my own parents have believed the Watchtower's promise of the end within their lifetime. They will die without seeing the end.
97 years and counting! That is not really a "short time" or a "generation".
World conditions were worse in the 14th century than they are now. Living conditions were appalling. All the Bible signs for the end were being fulfilled then. But the world and society progresssed onward from there. The world didn't end then and it won't end now. The title of this video is just Watchtower-based hopefulness that they're right and everyone else is wrong.
RELAX, ARMAGEDDON IG NOT COMMING, IT'S NEVER COMMING..Quit wasteing your lives, hopeing everyone gets destroyed!! Enjoy the life you have now!! There are beautiful things in this world, when your on your deathbed you will regret how you wasted your life wiating for something that is never going to happen
There is nothing wasteful about serving Jehovah,....even if the new system was never to come, I would still choose to live my life, by bible principles....We see all the beauty the world has to offer, each and everyday...We are not just sitting, in a chair, waiting for Armageddon to come....only Jehovah God knows the day and hour, when he will say..." I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE RUINING THE EARTH, VIA POLLUTION, WARS, HUNGER, DISEASES, CHILD ABUSE....etc....PSALM 37:10-11
@kellylittleton - The media thrives on presenting bad news. Good news doesn't sell. But the world is getting better in many ways these days. Traffic deaths in the USA are at their lowest in 60 years. (USA Today)
Time magazine reported that global poverty has been cut by more than 50% since 1990. in 1984, 24 wars were being waged. Now it's only five! Violence has dropped.
Crime statistics have dropped considerably since the 1980's. Minorities have civil rights. The world isn't all bad.
@sheechpaw - "Do not say 'Why has it happened that the former days proved to be better than these?' for it is NOT DUE TO WISDOM that you have asked about this." - Ecclesiastes 7:10
The end should have come in the 14th century. If you study history you will find that century was filled with millions dying from wars (including the Hundred Years War), and that the world was riven with crime, famine, pestilence and earthquakes. It was even worse than the 21st century has been.
@sheechpaw - I didn't just throw out a comment that says crime is going down for fun. If you do actual impartial study on the subject you would see that the general trend of crime is downward.
Verses that make fun of skeptics (like 2 Peter 3:3) could be used by any religious group at any time to try to enhance their particular predictions. The problem is, the Watchtower has predicted the end of the system multiple years from 1914 onward as "the end" and has been 100% wrong.
i blame the Masoretic Scribes for stripping Ya-hweh's awesome name from scripture and replaceing it with jahovah or jehovah,also for replacing our Savoir's name Yahuwshua(Yahoo-shoe-ah) with the Greek name jesus in the 14th century thus corrupting scripture terribly,kjv are not inspiried by the Pure Spirit of Truth instead its inspiried by man,with Roman holiday customs, like christimas which is really Nimrod's birthday. if you are insterested in learning more inbox me or visit Yahuwshua DotOrg
I think the voice is not authorized , but the message is true , we cant hold out on our own ..... "but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved"
"The date of the close of that ‘battle’ (of Armageddon) is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." - From the Watchtower of 1/15/1892,
That was about 120 years ago. Apparently the end has definitely been "around the corner" since our great-great-grandparents were young.
Love the voice too, it made me think about the "old" drama's we used to have at big conventions. Really great! I am glad to know Jehovah's day IS near. The bible makes no mistakes on that one and the current world events make it clear, even to those who don't know Jehovah yet. May as many people as possible learn about Him now that there is still time.~ Praise Jehovah~
Cooper. Im no scholer niether. As i mentioned i havn't read the bible for decades. I just started examining it lately. Im searching for answers like many. And i agree mabe some stats are down but i still think we live in a terrible world today. Im sure we can agree on that anyway.
@dchanyi - The items you mentioned "God's Kingdom, the end, living fovever - where" can be and are interpreted many ways. Some groups are dogmatic about their particular understanding.
I would say the world is far from perfect, but that in many ways it's better than during the Dark Ages or the first half of the 20th century. Man has made social and scientific progress. This internet we're using to communicate is just one of very many examples. That isn't so terrible, is it?
understand our scientific progress goes hand and hand with the progress of evil and wickedness on a global scale. theres things happening around the world on every corner under the sun that you dont always see because everyones to busy concerned with day to day life and when that new IPAD coming out but understand JEHOVAH takes note of all thing...all things are openly exposed to him
@mightyaceman - Your religion has a stake in convincing its adherents that "evil and wickedness" are progressing even now. Crime rates have trended sharply downward in the last quarter century. There have been no all-out world wars for 65 years now. All this "world is terrible" hyperbole is getting really old and crinkled up around the edges. I'm not claiming the world is perfect, but there has been much progress socially and scientifically in the last century, religious caterwauling aside.
@dchanyi - Just remember Ecclesiastes 7:10. Or, perhaps you can appreciate the lyrics in the song Anticipation by Carly Simon, where she sings "stay right here, because THESE are the good old days". Don't keep looking for thorns, there are many good things that happen in your life every day right now. :)
Gods kingdom, end of this system, the resurection, live forever on earth, no more death. These all go hand in hand and all are things jesus spoke of. It can only be inturperated one way.
when will ths kingdom that all Christians prey for come? it's even in the lords prayer that is in almost every church in the world. when will this kingdom come?
@dchanyi - You keep asking when will it come -- and Jesus said nobody would know the day and hour. However he also warned that many would anxiously "jump the gun" (well not those exact words, but you know what I mean).
@cooper79jeffr I realize no one knows day or hour including jesus but he was clear on the signs to WATCH for. why speak of these signs if they wouldn't be visable to us? What is this kingdom he spoke of time and time again? It was his most important message and no one speaks of it? why? and remember he said to watch for these signs. what do you think this kingdom is?
But they preach wat jesus preached. Jesus said the end would come. We cant be getting further from the end. And you no they only preach it because jesus instructed to. There not doing it because their bored. (sorry im not directing this to you using @coop... Im on iphone and dont no how. Im new to technology but learning, haha)
@dchanyi - I could throw all kinds of facts at you, but it won't matter if you have the mindset that "we MUST be now in the time of the end because things are so bad". I just want to remind you of what wise King Solomon wrote: "Don't say, "Why were things better in the good old days?" It isn't wise to ask that kind of question." (Eccl. 7:10)
Yes Jesus said the end would come, but he also said many positive things. Each religion seems to choose what it wants to emphasize.
@cooper79jeffr so Jesus was wrong about the end of thiis system and should never has used these signs because they don't exist? When is the end comeing than?
@dchanyi - I don't pretend to be a Bible scholar, but I know there are many interpretations of Jesus' prophecy. Preterists believe the signs were fulfilled at the end of the Jewish system in the first century. Dispensationalists feel they apply to the modern nation of Israel. There are also premillenialists, postmillenialists and amillenialists.
My objections to end-times movements - they tend to focus only on that which supports a fearful endtime view and they always make wrong predictions.
@dchanyi - Yes the crime rate is going down. The crime rate was shockingly high during the first half of the twentieth century, and that is the frame of reference the Watchtower is using. But things have gotten better since then.
Here are some statistics I found: The murder rate in the United States has gone down from 10.2 per 100,000 in 1980 to 5.0 in 2009.
The U.S. rate in 2009 was 16.9 violent crimes per 1,000 of population. The rate in 1973 was 47.7, which was almost 3 times higher.
And keep in mind, just because a blind man sees no colour dont mean colours dont exist. Some things may not be crystal clear but have faith. If you seek truth with ALL your hart you will find the truth! And the truth will set you free!
@dchanyi Ah yes, the end has been urgently near for Watchtower followers for a long time now. It was specifically forecast to come in 1914, 1925 and before the end of the 20th century. The WT also spent about a decade building up excitement for the year 1975 by mentioning it constantly in their literature and at assemblies.
So what makes you know we're in the final hours, when Jesus said no man would know the day or hour? Perhaps you're a woman (with intuition) and not a man? Just kidding.
@cooper79jeffr this is true. No man knows the day or hour. Nor Jesus nor the angels. Jesus gave many signs of the last days though, and this decade has made them clear. Lets face it, war has gone to unimaginable levels. More humans lost their lives in ww2 than ALL wars combined and they involved multiple countrys on multiple fronts.(ww1 as well) Look at the lawlessness, disrespectful youth, desease, famin, greed, earthquakes and other natural disasters just to mention a few signs of the times..
@dchanyi - Christians of every century have pointed to their own time as the "end". I don't know what's special about THIS decade as compared to the 1930's, 1970's, or any other time the Witnesses said the end would come. World war 2 has been over for 65 years now, using that is getting a little old as the world war 2 generation is dying out. Crime statistics have actually been dropping for the last 20 years, don't let the Watchtower fool you. Youth have been rebellious since ancient Greece.
@cooper79jeffr Oh come on man! crime is dropping? crime is down this century compaired to last? do you even know how many wars have been faught this century? good thing you got a computor cause you'l need one to do the math. Polution getting better? What river do you want to share a drink with me from? my parents and theirs and even i 20 yrs ago never EVER locked our doors. leave yours unlocked tonite if you want.(i don't rec. it) Man my car's been broke into 4x's in less than 1 year.
@dchanyi - We're in the 21st century. You're proving my point, that in each century end time Christians say "the end is near". It wasn't near when C.T. Russell and J.F. Rutherford said it was 8 or 10 decades ago. Why believe this same organization now?
I never said the world was perfect and all its problems solved, but the air and water pollution is far less of a problem in America (which was the worst case) than in the 1969 when the Cuyahoga River started on fire.
@cooper79jeffr the light is getting brighter. The bibles reads that god will destroy those destroying the earth. can you imagine when those scriptures were written people thinking how can people destroy the earth? That would have seemed impossible right? Can you see it now? is there any part on the globe free of the damage man has done? I don't know were you live on the globe but can't you see how much of the world is starving and living in unbearabe conditions? It's so sad. ...
@dchanyi - The Watchtower applies "the light is getting brighter" scripture to their Bible Society. Sure, the world revolves around them. (NOT)
That proverb applies to individual people who apply the wisdom found in the proverbs. The context doesn't apply to an organization, unless of course an organization tries to force it to apply.
Mankind has reversed much of the pollution that plagued earth in the 1960's and 70's. Air pollution in many places is a thing of the past.
@dchanyi - Yes it's sad to see poverty, injustice, etc. These have been happening for eons. Actually the amount of poverty is now on the decrease due to globalization. Africa and Asia are getting lifted up, compared to where they were - not degrading. But the Watchtower will not highlight that news because it doesn't support their doom-and-gloom scenario.
These have been part of the human condition for a long time but are improving in many places, contrary to religious end-time scenarios.
@cooper79jeffr and poverty on the decrease? Your kidding right? These have been human conditions for a long time but if you can't see the Grand scale there happining on than i suggest you do some research on how many a day die from stravation, cancers, murders, diseases ect.. I honestly can't believe you see the world as getting better! Your being missled by the one who is in control of this world. The one missleading the inhabited earth. The one called the devil whom lies originated with.
@dchanyi - Poverty is on the decrease. Look at the study documented in global-ejournal(dot) org. "Most studies show significant decreases in poverty over the period of industrialization, capitalism and globalization. The global poverty rate is estimated to have fallen from over 90 per cent of the world’s population in 1820 to 51.3 per cent in 1992. During approximately the same period, average life expectancy more than doubled, from 26 years in 1820 to 60 years by 2002."
@cooper79jeffr poverty decreasing? Tell that to the millions in Egypt alone that live on less than 2 dollars a day. Some Samolians would care to hear that as well. Homelesness in Canada, Usa, and every other country is riseing. Countries we consider doing well. I'm curious how many other (christian) sites you have gone to, to tell their beliefs are wrong? Ratorical question. Don't respond, I no the answer. This strengthens my beliefs. JW's are being hated on behalf of Jesus name as he said would
@dchanyi - I don't hate JW's. You're framing the argument that way. I do distrust this particular religious group because they are the ones who go to everyone's doors trying to convince them the end is near. They who wrote in the 1960's Awake magazine that if you were a young person, you shouldn't even consider a career in the system because you'd never grow old in it. I believed that kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and deceitful.
Would Jesus want such inaccuracy/deceit in his name?
@cooper79jeffr Oh we have it good were I live but the world isn't revolving jjust around Canada. 1914 was the BEGINNING of the last days, not THE last day. Jesus spent years preaching of thhe end of this system. If it wasn't comeing he wouldn't have been preaching aboutt it. To not believe in the end of this system you made as well disregard the bible all together. His people stand out from the rest of the world with their high moral values, love for there brothers, sisters preaching work.....
@dchanyi - Regarding 1914, the Watchtower has changed history on you to make you think they taught it was the "Beginning" of the end. They said differently back then:
"the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." WT 7/15/1894 p. 1677
Regarding Armageddon: "The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." WT 1/15/1892 p. 1355
@cooper79jeffr and views on war and murder, adultry, alcohol abuse, drugs, stealing, lying, ect.. You can't see any difference with their views than the other 3000 plus christian religions. They take no part in politics or wars. they would sooner face death than ever kill another human. What part of those qualities do you think Jesus woud dislike about them?
@dchanyi - I do not dispute that the pacifism of Jehovah's Witnesses is a positive aspect of their movement. However that isn't what this page is about.
I don't think Jesus would like them deceiving their current members by saying "1914 was predicted to be the beginning of the end" when really they said it was going to be the END of the system, and then tell their members not to go back and read their "old light".
Rhonda, coop, and sheech. You guys crack me up! Great stuff! The bibles fascinating!!! I just started studying it again after putting it away for 20 yrs or so but seeing the world through different eyes you could say, i now cant put it down! Its clear we not in last days. We in final hours! I hope the best for all of you!
Only you as an individual can analyze if you truly love “truth” or if you choose to live in a delusion because you have invested so much of your life to the “cause”. Learn the truth and it will set you free. This truth is learned from your self and your own critical thinking and not by means of indoctrination by fanatical men. I desire everyone commenting here the best.
@mimenteismine - Thank you for your insightful comments here. I also see the Watchtower Society as great deceivers and most of the regular JW's as decent people who are incited to think and act in certain harmful ways. You're so right that people should be able to trust their instincts rather than follow the guidelines of a group of men (or some leader) who tells you what to think about God.
I decided to leave after seeing the irrefutable evidence that they protect the organization and its image first, than they protect the perpetrators of child rape second and then the victim comes last. They two witness rule is unbelievable and it is amazing that even after all the lawsuits they still cling to this flawed and destructive rule.
It takes an amount of humility to accept that you need to take a look at the veracity of everything that you have held dear as the “truth”. I had doubts about the generation for a long time, but even then I prayed and stayed faithful to the organization of 8-10 men called the governing body because I always assumed that they were being used by God. It was very traumatic to learn that they are a bunch of hucksters.
This is the reason the watchtower prohibits “independent thinking, and critical thinking”. They maintain the members in psychological state of fear using loaded words like “apostate”, “worldly”, “the truth” to control them.
In the past we the rank and file witnesses could never have found out info about the organization because information did not flow freely the way it does now. Cults like the Children of God, Mormons, Scientologist, Moonies, Watchtower could get away with anything.
They are in a totalitarian dictatorship within a free society. Don’t get me wrong a few are self righteous lunatics and the sad part is that many of them are abusive elders.
There illusion has begun to crumble before the watchtowers’ eyes. They could never have prepared for the free information of the internet. It’s a true manifestation of freedom of speech.
Only cults use terminology that separates them from the rest of the world. I used to believe in everything I was taught as a child but I have learned to use reason and critical thinking to question everything. I question the right and the left. This is the only way to know truth. But it takes an amount of humility to accept that you need to take a look at the veracity of everything that you have held dear as the “truth”.
Don't succumb to hucksters. Learn how to distinguish them. The watchtowers are narcissistic sociopaths who do not care about the average witnesses. They see them as only insignificant "serfs". Most of the rank and file people are sincere in there beliefs and I consider them victims and in no way have any hate against them or anyone. Hate only hurts the person who feels that emotion. I truly feel sorry for Jdubs. They do not have real freedom the think. It is done for them.
hilarious - the "father god" meme that is so primally powerful is used to intimidate. How are you different than tribal gods like Mohammed? Old school! Get with the 21st century and get over your tribal 19th century carnival religion.
@luv4u351 When Jehovah said this, it's very clear that he was talking about being the Almighty, not just mighty like Jesus is. So, there never was and never will be another Almighty God as Jehovah, but mighty gods, there are some, for instance, Jesus is called a god in the the Bible,and even Satan is called a god in (2 Corinthians 4:4). Hence, Satan is a mighty god, cause he has power, Jesus is also a Mighty god, as you know, more powerful than Satan, But Almighty, just Jehovah as Isaiah says.
JWS MAKE GOD A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! y would Jesus be a MIGHTY God, Isa. 9:6, if god says "...Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." ~ I am God there's NO Savior but me! ISAIAH 43:10-11. & a "MIGHTY" God AT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@luv4u351 - The Trinity / identity of God is a controversial topic, and both sides of the argument have good reasons for what they believe. This YouTube page mainly focuses on JW's and end-time prophecies, pro and con. Feel free to join in on that topic!
JWS MAKE GOD A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! y would Jesus be a MIGHTY God, Isa. 9:6, if god says "...Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." ~ I am God there's NO Savior but me! ISAIAH 43:10-11.
(Daniel 9:1-2) In the first year of Da‧ri′us the son of A‧has‧u‧e′rus of the seed of the Medes, who had been made king over the kingdom of the Chal‧de′ans; 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years.
@rhodanageorge - Daniel 9:2 refers to "devastations" of Jerusalem and 70 years. Here is the breakdown of those 70 years for you: Babylon started controlling Judah during the time Jehoiakim started ruling in 609 BCE. Jehoiakim was a mere vassal. Then Jehoiachin ruled a short time in 598 BCE, followed by the last king Zedekiah from 597 to 587 BCE. Then Judah was taken captive, until 539 when they were released. That's the 70 years, according to RELIABLE unbiased history.
(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’"
excellent video,very well made.thanks it keeps me on track every time i see it.
tralek1 2 weeks ago
@tralek1 it worries me
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
Excuse me all you Ex Jehovah's Witnesses but, you can't (((comment))) remember?
Good clip Bro good clip!!!
((And Yes)) if you are interested in a free home bible study, please contact your local Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses.
MrTwinmoonscafe 1 month ago
that the WT has promoted just in the past 100 years. How anyone could trust this org. (just based on this one item alone) is beyond comprehension!
MuscleMaxZ1 1 month ago
the new testament was written by apocalyptic jews (jesus was one in the earlier written gospels), but curiously not so much in the later written ones, like John. When the end did not come, certainly by the time many of the NT books were written, it all lost it's credibility (at least to non-believers like me) Christianity was a renegade apocalyptic religion based on a man's delusion that he was the messiah and for 2000 years this has been worked and re-worked, read the many generation meanings
MuscleMaxZ1 1 month ago
the great day of jehovah has been near for the last 2000 years and for the modern day supposed JW's, for the last 140 or so years. the words "near, "close at hand", ad nauseum have lost all meaning.
MuscleMaxZ1 1 month ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 go to rense and then u will see the meaning of this video.this stuff is really happening
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011 i don't know what you mean by "go to rense", please explain. Also, it would be nice if you answered my comments above...do these things I say make any sense to you whatsoever? Stuff like what is happening in the video has been happening for thousands of years, except now technology makes it easier to kill people in large numbers. The great day of Jehovah was is "always" near according to JW's, recall 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975...get the picture? WT is NOT trustworthy!
MuscleMaxZ1 1 week ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 no it hasent.not all at the same time.hah.NO WAY,has these event been happening for thousands of years.maby some isolated ones,spread out through out time,but not all these events At The Same TIME.
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
I can't wait for that day. The Governing Body will finally answer for it's crimes.
Danmera 2 months ago
@Danmera wether they are good or bad,examine the fruits of the jw's.
its peace,harmony,helpfullness,careing,and hope!
who cares about whatever,i see the fruits,and its the way things SHOULD be...
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
@SHARKREEF2011 Yes, I have, that is why I will never be part of those men again.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera ah,excuse me,are you answering another question?because your answer is not for my comment....o_0
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
@SHARKREEF2011 It is by their actions, that I know they are false. I am not talking about the witnesses you do what you are told, and so it looks good. However the organizations actions are what I want them to answer for.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera like the apostle paul?
u should go back in time,and start a campaign,against paul for the murder of stephen.and while you are at it,that Jesus guy needs to be put away too since he hangs out with hookers and crooks..
the jws actions are good fruits,and therefore the org is good too.your prob is that u cannot get your ears tickled like u want from them so u reject and attack.and im not even going to talk about your possible demonic possession u may have..
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
@SHARKREEF2011 You should really watch my video on real life example of mind control. You parrot just as well as he does.
Danmera 1 month ago
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@Danmera ahh.the NLP insult.
avoid answering my comment.just Insult........classic mind/conversation control.
gaslighting?
"rules for radicals" perhaps?
anyhow.WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT MY COMMENT BEFORE THIS COMMENT DANMERA??
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
@SHARKREEF2011 Well to answer your question, Paul was not paul when he killed Stephen. The apostles followed Jesus, continued his teachings, however they didn't claim to be speak for God. They didn't claim to be God's mouthpiece. They didn't claim any of what the WT claims. That comparison doesn't work. As I said, the Witnesses make things look good, the WT has a lot to answer for. Please look at things outside the WT bubble.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera but why do you resort to deception in your video titles?
i thought this was a wt convention not a JW hater.you are only hurting your cause with me and others when you lie.true christians don openly lie.
satan ,does...
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
@Danmera u wont be there to see it,jesus will execute you for your deception and rebellion with your god.watch the video again.
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011 I hope so. If Jesus really did chose these men, if these men are the best He could do, I really would rather die at the WT armageddon. Choosing these men, this organization, shows he used very poor judgment, and really doesn't care about people. Yeah I'll have to pass on that.
Danmera 1 week ago
@Danmera ahahahah.bullshit,dano.ive been to their meetings and its not bad at all.harmless,u act like it a British Petrolium corexit meeting,with human sacrifice-hahahahh!
me thinks thou dost protest too much!!
earn your nwo pay troll
and remember
dance,puppet,dance!!
and im not a jw.i just think you paid shills dont deserve your jobs,since the jws dont bother anyone and there message is quite relaxing.if u have a conscience.if not ,then there msg is disturbing.u disturbed danmera?
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011 Well, it's true they don't have sacrifices at their meetings, but that doesn't mean they don't have have human sacrifice. Even Jesus preferred mercy over sacrifice, but not the JW, you must die for the confusing blood issue for example. There are other examples of harm. Harmless my butt. Have YOU examined what Jesus examined when he allegedly "chose" this "religion"? There is no way Jesus would have picked them. It is the very angel of light it warns of..hiding in plain sight.
Danmera 1 week ago
@Danmera dont eat blood,ivs are eating.simple.jesus had a group,they had overseers,they had elders,and like jesus said:they were of one mind ,one body"AND they spread the "good news of the kingdom"going from"house to house" just as jesus said.ONLY the jws fit this .sorry
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011 Really? Would a blood transfusion really save someone who is starving? hmm.
What about Jesus showing mercy over sacrifice on these matters? Jesus is merciful, the WT will DF your butt.
They go door to door, that excuses all the satanic history, the lies, the manipulation, etc etc, as I said, I would rather die at the WT armageddon.
Danmera 1 week ago
@Danmera danmera u r not what u claim to be.i figure u r from a mystery religion/secret society,and r paid to post,until your masters can get rid of the witnesses.wont happen,your destiny is permanent distruction,so enjoy your perks today and for the NEAR future.u have the best suite on the titanic beezebub.
SHARKREEF2011 1 day ago
@SHARKREEF2011
You seem quite consumed by the end times, who's going to clean up the bloody mess?
fezik82 1 week ago
@fezik82 the bible says that Jehovah will call out all the beasts of the earth and all the birds to eat the bodies of the slain wicked .heres a quote--"birds will eat the fleshy parts of great military commanders"as for the dead in their underground bases,"tombs"you see
this physical universe and the spirits in it,and humans -we all may be thought forms in Jehovah's mind,given life,and freedom.so u see why satan will never win,since he too,is thought form(that rebelled)-just an idea?
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011
Thanks, I'd like you to consider this quote:
The unburied dead, “those slain by Jehovah,” will be so enormously many that even the carrion birds and scavenging wild beasts could never take care of their consumption. The burial of even what remains after these lower creatures have their fill would be stupendous. Doubtless the Almighty God will use some highly scientific means, whether including antimatter or not, to dispose of the surplus of decaying...
Cont...
fezik82 1 week ago
Cont'd...
bodies in a speedy and sanitary way." (Know Jehovah, p. 377)
This is said to be a process that takes "seven months" (leaving the surviving witnesses on the new earth filled w/dead bodies) according to 8/1/66 WT p. 465.
More recently, 12/1/08's WT, they used Ezekiel 39:14-16 to show that it is the survivors of Armageddon who will be cleaning up and burying the corpses for 7 months.
I think that this is very sad, God said that He, Himself will "make everything new".
fezik82 1 week ago
@fezik82 there bodies,like dung(revelation)will be left,not buried.the forces of nature will be also used.plus there are more animals than u know,they are enough to do the job.if u survive armegeddon,u will be able to look upon rockefellers rotting corpse.he will never come back.but the little babies he sacrificed,will.
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@SHARKREEF2011
I won't argue with you there, that was the Watchtower Society's view... not mine.
fezik82 1 week ago
The ultimate father the one who spoke to Moses, wake up people he is a good god who protects us a loving god through the lord jesus christ amen.
HOTTIEINBX 3 months ago
The ultimate farther the one who spoke to Moses wake up people he is a good god who protects us
HOTTIEINBX 3 months ago
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Guydudeman100:Yea ok but jesus gave signs of the
End times as well as how you can see prophecy...
NOBODY KNOWS WHEN IT'S COMING only the Father knows!
Praisejah992 4 months ago
luke 21:8 folks,says about anyone saying the end is near,some bibles say do not follow,others say dont go after.the point is that there are always gonna be fools who think they know when armageddon is coming like harold camping or the watchtower,both of whom have predicted the end many times or put timelines on it.all they have done is misled ppl around in circles and thats why jesus said not to follow them.wake up ppl,your religion is not God,a religion is not gonna save you from armageddon
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Georgehuddo:nobody knows when the end is coming
Only the father knows so they messed up a couple of
Times while false religion!!teaches False doctrine!that you
Believe in!!!!!like Catholic faith hahaha PLEASE! they are the most FOUL
And have absolutely nothing to do with Jehovah OR Jesus for that matter!!!!!
Call themselves father!!ONLY JEHOVAH IS YOUR FATHER ALONE!!!!!!
Praisejah992 4 months ago
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Bobo007xx:How Disgusting!!How dare you talk about
Jesus that way!!UNGREATFUL HUMAN!!!!!!!!!sicking!
Praisejah992 4 months ago
tht voice sounds demonic..."dislike"
trudiamond30 5 months ago
@trudiamond30 arrmegedon is the day your creator executes judgment on all the world.this is the day all the children sacrificed to false religion will be avenged.the ultra elite with all their gold,will throw it into the streets.since it will be worthless in this day of gods FURY.hes ANGRY,because the false religion squatters have ruined his creation.it will be a dark,stormy day where he kills most of the people who have opposed his righteous peaceful rule.its close and im not a jw
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
What happened with 1914?
Changing dates again?
MrMisticoMagico 5 months ago
@MrMisticoMagico The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not of God, because it is built on the foundation of False Prophesy. They are Russellites, and are Arian in their teachings. Their end times prophesies started back in 1884 then went on to 1881,1914 1915 1918 1925 1942 and 1975. With a history of false prophesy like this, and the way they butcher the Scriptures, shows that they definitely are not Gods organization. They are cannot be, because they are ichabod. devoid of God, Jer.23-32.
georgehuddo 5 months ago
@georgehuddo it is of jehovah god,since they actually follow the bible,not like your hipocracy as a false christian.
dont read the bible,its not from god since jesus associated with prostitutes,and paul was a murderer,and pharisee.
bobo007xx 4 months ago
@bobo007x x Jehovah's witnesses all call Jesus Christ ‘’a god’’ in John 1:1-3, because there is no definite article "THE" in front of the word GOD. However when the definite article "THE" is used under the original Greek of your own Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, declaring Jesus & The Holy Spirit both to be "THE GOD" In John.20:28 & Acts 5:3,4, you deny them their rightful place in the Godhead.
What blasphemy is that against Jehovah & His Eternal Word? Gal.1:6-9. Heb.10:26-31.
georgehuddo 4 months ago
@georgehuddo hey georgie,are u in the wrong section of you tube?you should be in the "hauntings" section since you are POSSESSED..
SHARKREEF2011 1 week ago
@bobo007xx Jehovah's witnesses all call Jesus Christ ‘’a god’’ in John 1:1-3, because there is no definite article "THE" in front of the word GOD. However when the definite article "THE" is used under the original Greek of your own Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, declaring Jesus & The Holy Spirit both to be "THE GOD" In John.20:28 & Acts 5:3,4, you deny them their rightful place in the Godhead. What blasphemy is that against Jehovah God and His Word? Gal.1:6-9. Heb.10:26-31.
georgehuddo 4 months ago
@georgehuddo "godhead"??? go worship the sun you pagan.and i like pagans,but not christian pagans.u r nuts georgy.and your jesus will condemn you and all your type who commit idolatry by making ,jesus,(the SON of god),GOD.
btw,what does "only begotton son(jesus) mean,
come on give me some more of your mental masturbation gobidygook flumigations...
SHARKREEF2011 1 month ago
great video. may Jehovah help me
havalito478 5 months ago
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Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell U, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Are FUTURE sins forgiven U simple because U believe JC died for you? If you answer YES to this question, than you are free to sin. If U answer NO and say it's down to us to repent, ppl were repenting before the time of JC, so, what's the point of JC being crucified. JC, PROPHET, and he will return..
macktheknife888 6 months ago in playlist The Truth!
Looks like JW's revel in the upcoming destruction of everyone who doesn't believe as they do. The mere thought of everyone else's destruction sends shivers up their spine, as they endlessly wait in anticipation of our demise.
cooper79jeffr 6 months ago
Yes the great day were your loving god murders and slaughters the people it supposedly loves and only takes the people he wants with him to heaven even though he said that he loves them all the same. Yes. well im going to stay nuthing because this will never happen.
spartans114s 6 months ago
you concentrate in the objects, pictures, earthy things, you don´t think in Jesus
He died for you, the only madiator between God and men Jesus, No body may be save but thru Jesus. He is the only way. This voice is satanic, The Lord rebuke you. He is in the right hand of the Father.
Repent and your sins your be forgiven
bru8207 6 months ago
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GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON.Jesus said he's God's Son-Matthew 3:17,Mark 9:7,Psalms 2:7,Luke 9:35,Prov.8:22.DEMONS,expelled said he's Son of God-Luke 4:41.Matt.8:29, Mark3:11.Others said he's Son-John1:14,49,3:17,5:18,36,6:46,10:36,Mark15:39,Matthew 26:63,27:40. Hebrews10:29,4:14.An angel said he's Son-Luke1:35.Jehovah God is Jesus' God-John15:1,16:3,30,20:17, Matt.26:26,36-44,64,Mark15:34,Ephesians1:17.Son=Mediator-1Timothy 2:5,Heb.1:3,4,8:6,9:15,12:24, Romans1:4,8,9,Acts7:55,56.
eternityandforever 6 months ago
@meloniesghost just like your comment :P
stormrider3986 6 months ago
"The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a mighty man is letting out a cry." This gave me chills. Awesome video.
JahsProphecy 6 months ago
What an incredibly lame and childish video....
meloniesghost 7 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
haha, you guys are so delusional...
izzemazzy 8 months ago
I make a mistake on one of my two points supporting 587 BC instead of 607, and I admitted it. The JW will never accept real history because the Watchtower is his idol.
This thread is not about modern world history like the invasion of Iraq (and you're wrong about what I believed about that). It's about JW prophecy based on shaky dates.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
Good JW's know they should trust what their idol, the Watchtower, says about anything Bible or history related.
There is no evidence that the dates of 587 BC, 539 BC or 14 AD are manipulated. They are accepted by all good archaeologists & historians.
Again, the JW's faith in 1914 is built on the shaky foundation of a false "607 BC" date. The WT picks and chooses what history and science it wants to accept -- and they aren't the only religion that does this.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
History is not "belief". It's about facts. Only high-control groups like the Watchtower would want you to "believe" in dates as if this helped prove that their religion is correct.
Factual dates in history include 587 BC for Jerusalem's first destruction, 539 BC for the Medo-Persian invasion of Babylon, and 14 AD for the death of Augustus Caesar. The WT accepts 539 and 14 because these support their theology, but disregard the 587 BC factual date because it contradicts their theology.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
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cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
Preterists don't believe Revelation was written in 96CE. So every anti-Preterist thing sheechpaw says only matters to anti-Preterists. I'm not a Preterist. All I'm saying is that JW's think their view is the only possible right one. This is evident when the JW's use words like "obviously" and when they inaccurately cite a 607 BC date that only they themselves advocate for their own narrow purposes.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
Much JW theology hinges on the 2,520 year prophecy starting from the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem (supposedly in 607 BC) until 1914. However the claimed date of 607 BC is inaccurate and deceitful. All reliable historical sources including the British Museum place the date at 587-586 BC. 607 BC is wrong so 1914 (2520 years later) is wrong. How the JW's got 2520 years is dubious and complicated.
But they have long put faith in dates their leaders put out for them to swallow.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
Yes Jesus said "the END will come" -- but the end of what? JW's impose an "end of all humanity except for our organization" interpretation on that verse. Jesus wasn't saying that. JW theology involves the interpretation of the entire book of Revelation as pointing to their organization as God's only true servant from 1919 forward.
There are multiple other reasonable interpretations of the Bible's "end". Matt. 24 was entirely fulfilled in the first century according to the Preterist view.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
Seismologists use scientific criteria based on actual measurements. End-time religions proclaim "the end is near" based on guesswork and arbitrary interpretations.
Jesus urged skepticism about end-time claims. "Men will tell you 'there he is!' or 'here he is!' Do not go off running after them." - Luke 17:23
So people shouldn't even be proclaiming their guesswork in the first place, because when they're wrong they look like liars.
cooper79jeffr 8 months ago
"The great day of Jehovah is near" said the Watchtower / JW's and predicted dates of 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and before the end of the 20th century. They still say it's near.
Even an atheist like me can see that the Watchtower & JW's misuse the Bible to support their own ideology. One doesn't have to believe the Bible to see when it's being used as a tool.
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
The ultimate irony: Someone defending a highly judgmental organization known as the Watchtower Society by quoting Romans 2:1. :)
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
Wow, I just was called an Antichrist. And here I just thought I was anti-Watchtower.
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
our loving father,,, ,is close to bringing the evils off our world to an end ,,,,humanity is clever with technology.....,but not great in looking after our selves ....we cant go on ,accepting drugs, fossil fuels , worshiping money ,and glamour ..i cant wait for ever lasting life through jehovah .
Frankyre1972 9 months ago
The Watchtower ruined many lives by its false teachings of dates such as 1925, 1975, the end of the 20th century and many others. So it's appropriate that Proverbs 11:9 has been brought to our attention in light of Jesus' admonition that no man knows the day or hour.
By knowledge that the Watchtower has continually raised false hopes, people can be rescued from serving man. People should not trust an organization, as indicated in Ps. 146:3 "Do not put your trust in the son of earthling man."
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
To put it more directly:
End-time groups try to scare people and are always wrong, and therefore are full of bullshit !!
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
What "the end" really is -- that's quite controversial and open to interpretation. One thing is for sure : Adventist and end-time groups have consistently proclaimed dates for the absolute end of this world's system, and they are batting .000. So since nobody can conclusively prove what the end really is, and end-time groups keep guessing wrong -- it seems prudent to view all these desperate warnings of the end with a touch of skepticism.
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
@sheechpaw read titus 3:10
kogamisamurai 9 months ago
@sheechpaw - That was written 2600 years ago. That isn't "hurrying very much". Unless he was talking about the first destruction of Jerusalem (in 587 BCE). That would make more sense.
cooper79jeffr 9 months ago
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There is no God called Jehovah.
There is ONLY One God in Three Persons: God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit.
I have a question for you:
Q: What is the correct spelling of God's proper name "Yahweh" or "Jehovah"?
temp911Luke 9 months ago
@sheechpaw - I was talking large overall trends. I never asserted that crime and injustice have vanished from the face of the earth.
Prove that crime is "going up". That's just a Watchtower worldview, necessary to keep you thinking "the end is near".
No wonder JW's are so depressed. The Watchtower Society teaches them to look for thorns on every rose.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw cont'd Rom 13 and being a police officer
Where did Jehovah or Jesus forbid you? Cmp Acts 10 about Cornelius, an ARMY OFFICER who became a Christian: There's not a single instance in the Gospels indicating that he ever left the Roman Army. Not one.
I know [?] you will quote John 17:16. But it isn't as simple as using ONE scripture only to defend your position. You have to take all the scriptural context into consideration. Cmp John 18 what Jesus may have meant.
Prove me wrong!
tommotian 10 months ago
@sheechpaw
So what are you going to do about it while we are still here in "the present system of things" [Watchtower buzz sentence not found in the Bible]? In Rom 13 the worldly authorities are even called "God's servant". So it can't be all that bad being, for example, an armed police officer in a democratic country fighting organized crime, can it?
Rather than being a passive JW bystander selfishly waiting for others to help you out of the situation if you are attacked?
Well??
tommotian 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - You're right that the Nabonidus Chronicle only covers 539 and not the time of Jerusalem's destruction. However Ptolemy's Canon does cover all the time of the Babylonian kings up through its fall in 539, so I stand by that one.
However you offer nothing to prove 587 is the wrong date for Jerusalem's destruction other than Watchtower theology. So I stand by my description of your faith in the 607 date as Quixotic if you even understand what that means.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@cooper79jeffr
I remember years ago having read about & studied info about Ptolemy's Canon: You are right, it DOES cover all the time of the Babylonian kings up through its fall in 539. They made the assertion about 587 so they - not us - are the ones responsible to prove they are right about 587.
So far I have never seen nor read any such evidence. They aren't going to admit failure because they can't go against their "Faithful and Discreet Slave"- class in their two-class system!
tommotian 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - I do know how to count. The 70 years apply to "the nations" and not specifically to Jerusalem. Those 70 years span from 609 BC when Babylon overthrew Assyria and ended in 539 BC when the Medes and Persians invaded Babylon. Every impartial historian agrees with this assessment, which is why the date is placed at 587 according to reliable scholars.
Continue on your quixotic quest to paint anyone who disagrees with the Watchtower as "shameful" and anti-God if it makes you feel better.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - It seems like you're saying "Let the Watchtower be found true". Secular history doesn't disagree with the Bible as to the date of Jerusalem's destruction, it only disagrees with Watchtower publications. So you can stop with the "shame and terror" language.
Ptolemy's Canon, the Nabonidus Chronicle, and archaeological research into sites at Jerusalem, Lachish, Tell Beit Mirsim, and synchronization with thousands of documents from both Babylon and Egypt support the 587-586 BC date.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - Even die-hard Watchtower believers must have some problem accepting the "overlapping generation" doctrine they've put out there for the last couple of years. However as with all other things that high-control religions teach, cognitive dissidence and passive acceptance come into play, and all doubts and reasonings are submerged until some later time, or possiblye forever.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - Every historian who isn't religiously biased has pointed to 587-586 BCE as the correct year for the overthrow of Jerusalem, including those at the British Museum. The 70 years applies to the nations as a whole, and not to Jerusalem specifically. Again, the Watchtower accepts the 539 BCE date as the overthrow of the city of Babylon. However, the very same sources who provide the 539 date also provided us the 587-586 date. Obviously the WT is cherry-picking dates to suit its theology.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - Yes Hawkings uses the phraseology of God just like Einstein does. That doesn't mean either of them believed in a personal jealous God who must be worshipped.
BTW I never claimed that JW's invented Bible terminology like great earthquakes. I just claim they bend them to use to support their unorthodox end-time theology, as do other millenialist / adventist groups. I also point out that all such religions have always been 100% wrong in their assertions and predictions.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
Jehovah Jireh?
elazar79 10 months ago
So the Watchtower is now teaching "overlapping generations" equal one generation. That means someone living in 1914 has a lifespan that overlaps with some other theoretical person (possibly could have been born in the late 20th century), who then survives until Armageddon comes. They have inextricably tied their theology to 1914, and so they had to come up with this "overlapping generations" theory because practically everyone alive in 1914 has died. This is theological trickery at its finest.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@cooper79jeffr
So you think the WT is making a fool of JWs, huh? Can you think of a reason why it would do that? Money, influence, prestige maybe?
rhodanageorge 10 months ago
@rhodanageorge - It's evident that they can increase their membership by periodically building up excitement for certain dates.
I'm not a mind-reader as to "why" they would do that. Perhaps the WT leadership enjoys its power and influence over its adherents. For some reason they continue to hang on to the 1914 doctrine in spite of the fact that it's based on a date they know is inaccurate: 607 BCE.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
It's been 97 years since 1914. In the 19th century and up to 1914, the Watchtower said the world system (governments, religion, business) would suffer their Armageddon in 1914. After 1914, the Watchtower has preached that Armageddon would come a "short time" after 1914. For over 60 years each, my own parents have believed the Watchtower's promise of the end within their lifetime. They will die without seeing the end.
97 years and counting! That is not really a "short time" or a "generation".
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
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vin02703 10 months ago
World conditions were worse in the 14th century than they are now. Living conditions were appalling. All the Bible signs for the end were being fulfilled then. But the world and society progresssed onward from there. The world didn't end then and it won't end now. The title of this video is just Watchtower-based hopefulness that they're right and everyone else is wrong.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
RELAX, ARMAGEDDON IG NOT COMMING, IT'S NEVER COMMING..Quit wasteing your lives, hopeing everyone gets destroyed!! Enjoy the life you have now!! There are beautiful things in this world, when your on your deathbed you will regret how you wasted your life wiating for something that is never going to happen
kristirussell 10 months ago
@kristirussell
There is nothing wasteful about serving Jehovah,....even if the new system was never to come, I would still choose to live my life, by bible principles....We see all the beauty the world has to offer, each and everyday...We are not just sitting, in a chair, waiting for Armageddon to come....only Jehovah God knows the day and hour, when he will say..." I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE RUINING THE EARTH, VIA POLLUTION, WARS, HUNGER, DISEASES, CHILD ABUSE....etc....PSALM 37:10-11
kellylittleton 10 months ago
@kellylittleton - The media thrives on presenting bad news. Good news doesn't sell. But the world is getting better in many ways these days. Traffic deaths in the USA are at their lowest in 60 years. (USA Today)
Time magazine reported that global poverty has been cut by more than 50% since 1990. in 1984, 24 wars were being waged. Now it's only five! Violence has dropped.
Crime statistics have dropped considerably since the 1980's. Minorities have civil rights. The world isn't all bad.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - "Do not say 'Why has it happened that the former days proved to be better than these?' for it is NOT DUE TO WISDOM that you have asked about this." - Ecclesiastes 7:10
The end should have come in the 14th century. If you study history you will find that century was filled with millions dying from wars (including the Hundred Years War), and that the world was riven with crime, famine, pestilence and earthquakes. It was even worse than the 21st century has been.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
@sheechpaw - I didn't just throw out a comment that says crime is going down for fun. If you do actual impartial study on the subject you would see that the general trend of crime is downward.
Verses that make fun of skeptics (like 2 Peter 3:3) could be used by any religious group at any time to try to enhance their particular predictions. The problem is, the Watchtower has predicted the end of the system multiple years from 1914 onward as "the end" and has been 100% wrong.
cooper79jeffr 10 months ago
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vin02703 10 months ago
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i blame the Masoretic Scribes for stripping Ya-hweh's awesome name from scripture and replaceing it with jahovah or jehovah,also for replacing our Savoir's name Yahuwshua(Yahoo-shoe-ah) with the Greek name jesus in the 14th century thus corrupting scripture terribly,kjv are not inspiried by the Pure Spirit of Truth instead its inspiried by man,with Roman holiday customs, like christimas which is really Nimrod's birthday. if you are insterested in learning more inbox me or visit Yahuwshua DotOrg
Oddtrav 10 months ago
how'd you get the song
TheLuigi111111 10 months ago
I think the voice is not authorized , but the message is true , we cant hold out on our own ..... "but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved"
AdamantineMiddleClaw 11 months ago
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"The date of the close of that ‘battle’ (of Armageddon) is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." - From the Watchtower of 1/15/1892,
That was about 120 years ago. Apparently the end has definitely been "around the corner" since our great-great-grandparents were young.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
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cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
Thank you for this beautiful video.
Love the voice too, it made me think about the "old" drama's we used to have at big conventions. Really great! I am glad to know Jehovah's day IS near. The bible makes no mistakes on that one and the current world events make it clear, even to those who don't know Jehovah yet. May as many people as possible learn about Him now that there is still time.~ Praise Jehovah~
huisvrouwtjuh 11 months ago
Will do. Take care coop.
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Thanks, you too!
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
Cooper. Im no scholer niether. As i mentioned i havn't read the bible for decades. I just started examining it lately. Im searching for answers like many. And i agree mabe some stats are down but i still think we live in a terrible world today. Im sure we can agree on that anyway.
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - The items you mentioned "God's Kingdom, the end, living fovever - where" can be and are interpreted many ways. Some groups are dogmatic about their particular understanding.
I would say the world is far from perfect, but that in many ways it's better than during the Dark Ages or the first half of the 20th century. Man has made social and scientific progress. This internet we're using to communicate is just one of very many examples. That isn't so terrible, is it?
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
understand our scientific progress goes hand and hand with the progress of evil and wickedness on a global scale. theres things happening around the world on every corner under the sun that you dont always see because everyones to busy concerned with day to day life and when that new IPAD coming out but understand JEHOVAH takes note of all thing...all things are openly exposed to him
mightyaceman 11 months ago
@mightyaceman - Your religion has a stake in convincing its adherents that "evil and wickedness" are progressing even now. Crime rates have trended sharply downward in the last quarter century. There have been no all-out world wars for 65 years now. All this "world is terrible" hyperbole is getting really old and crinkled up around the edges. I'm not claiming the world is perfect, but there has been much progress socially and scientifically in the last century, religious caterwauling aside.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
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@cooper79jeffr
it is written " he will make all things new! "
AdamantineMiddleClaw 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Just remember Ecclesiastes 7:10. Or, perhaps you can appreciate the lyrics in the song Anticipation by Carly Simon, where she sings "stay right here, because THESE are the good old days". Don't keep looking for thorns, there are many good things that happen in your life every day right now. :)
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
Gods kingdom, end of this system, the resurection, live forever on earth, no more death. These all go hand in hand and all are things jesus spoke of. It can only be inturperated one way.
dchanyi 11 months ago
when will ths kingdom that all Christians prey for come? it's even in the lords prayer that is in almost every church in the world. when will this kingdom come?
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - You keep asking when will it come -- and Jesus said nobody would know the day and hour. However he also warned that many would anxiously "jump the gun" (well not those exact words, but you know what I mean).
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr I realize no one knows day or hour including jesus but he was clear on the signs to WATCH for. why speak of these signs if they wouldn't be visable to us? What is this kingdom he spoke of time and time again? It was his most important message and no one speaks of it? why? and remember he said to watch for these signs. what do you think this kingdom is?
dchanyi 11 months ago
But they preach wat jesus preached. Jesus said the end would come. We cant be getting further from the end. And you no they only preach it because jesus instructed to. There not doing it because their bored. (sorry im not directing this to you using @coop... Im on iphone and dont no how. Im new to technology but learning, haha)
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - I could throw all kinds of facts at you, but it won't matter if you have the mindset that "we MUST be now in the time of the end because things are so bad". I just want to remind you of what wise King Solomon wrote: "Don't say, "Why were things better in the good old days?" It isn't wise to ask that kind of question." (Eccl. 7:10)
Yes Jesus said the end would come, but he also said many positive things. Each religion seems to choose what it wants to emphasize.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr so Jesus was wrong about the end of thiis system and should never has used these signs because they don't exist? When is the end comeing than?
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - I don't pretend to be a Bible scholar, but I know there are many interpretations of Jesus' prophecy. Preterists believe the signs were fulfilled at the end of the Jewish system in the first century. Dispensationalists feel they apply to the modern nation of Israel. There are also premillenialists, postmillenialists and amillenialists.
My objections to end-times movements - they tend to focus only on that which supports a fearful endtime view and they always make wrong predictions.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
Question was is crime down this century from last century
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Yes the crime rate is going down. The crime rate was shockingly high during the first half of the twentieth century, and that is the frame of reference the Watchtower is using. But things have gotten better since then.
Here are some statistics I found: The murder rate in the United States has gone down from 10.2 per 100,000 in 1980 to 5.0 in 2009.
The U.S. rate in 2009 was 16.9 violent crimes per 1,000 of population. The rate in 1973 was 47.7, which was almost 3 times higher.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
And keep in mind, just because a blind man sees no colour dont mean colours dont exist. Some things may not be crystal clear but have faith. If you seek truth with ALL your hart you will find the truth! And the truth will set you free!
dchanyi 11 months ago
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cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@dchanyi Ah yes, the end has been urgently near for Watchtower followers for a long time now. It was specifically forecast to come in 1914, 1925 and before the end of the 20th century. The WT also spent about a decade building up excitement for the year 1975 by mentioning it constantly in their literature and at assemblies.
So what makes you know we're in the final hours, when Jesus said no man would know the day or hour? Perhaps you're a woman (with intuition) and not a man? Just kidding.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr this is true. No man knows the day or hour. Nor Jesus nor the angels. Jesus gave many signs of the last days though, and this decade has made them clear. Lets face it, war has gone to unimaginable levels. More humans lost their lives in ww2 than ALL wars combined and they involved multiple countrys on multiple fronts.(ww1 as well) Look at the lawlessness, disrespectful youth, desease, famin, greed, earthquakes and other natural disasters just to mention a few signs of the times..
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Christians of every century have pointed to their own time as the "end". I don't know what's special about THIS decade as compared to the 1930's, 1970's, or any other time the Witnesses said the end would come. World war 2 has been over for 65 years now, using that is getting a little old as the world war 2 generation is dying out. Crime statistics have actually been dropping for the last 20 years, don't let the Watchtower fool you. Youth have been rebellious since ancient Greece.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr Oh come on man! crime is dropping? crime is down this century compaired to last? do you even know how many wars have been faught this century? good thing you got a computor cause you'l need one to do the math. Polution getting better? What river do you want to share a drink with me from? my parents and theirs and even i 20 yrs ago never EVER locked our doors. leave yours unlocked tonite if you want.(i don't rec. it) Man my car's been broke into 4x's in less than 1 year.
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - We're in the 21st century. You're proving my point, that in each century end time Christians say "the end is near". It wasn't near when C.T. Russell and J.F. Rutherford said it was 8 or 10 decades ago. Why believe this same organization now?
I never said the world was perfect and all its problems solved, but the air and water pollution is far less of a problem in America (which was the worst case) than in the 1969 when the Cuyahoga River started on fire.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
whats that supposed to mean
TheLuigi111111 10 months ago
@cooper79jeffr the light is getting brighter. The bibles reads that god will destroy those destroying the earth. can you imagine when those scriptures were written people thinking how can people destroy the earth? That would have seemed impossible right? Can you see it now? is there any part on the globe free of the damage man has done? I don't know were you live on the globe but can't you see how much of the world is starving and living in unbearabe conditions? It's so sad. ...
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - The Watchtower applies "the light is getting brighter" scripture to their Bible Society. Sure, the world revolves around them. (NOT)
That proverb applies to individual people who apply the wisdom found in the proverbs. The context doesn't apply to an organization, unless of course an organization tries to force it to apply.
Mankind has reversed much of the pollution that plagued earth in the 1960's and 70's. Air pollution in many places is a thing of the past.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Yes it's sad to see poverty, injustice, etc. These have been happening for eons. Actually the amount of poverty is now on the decrease due to globalization. Africa and Asia are getting lifted up, compared to where they were - not degrading. But the Watchtower will not highlight that news because it doesn't support their doom-and-gloom scenario.
These have been part of the human condition for a long time but are improving in many places, contrary to religious end-time scenarios.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr and poverty on the decrease? Your kidding right? These have been human conditions for a long time but if you can't see the Grand scale there happining on than i suggest you do some research on how many a day die from stravation, cancers, murders, diseases ect.. I honestly can't believe you see the world as getting better! Your being missled by the one who is in control of this world. The one missleading the inhabited earth. The one called the devil whom lies originated with.
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Poverty is on the decrease. Look at the study documented in global-ejournal(dot) org. "Most studies show significant decreases in poverty over the period of industrialization, capitalism and globalization. The global poverty rate is estimated to have fallen from over 90 per cent of the world’s population in 1820 to 51.3 per cent in 1992. During approximately the same period, average life expectancy more than doubled, from 26 years in 1820 to 60 years by 2002."
Those are facts, man.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr poverty decreasing? Tell that to the millions in Egypt alone that live on less than 2 dollars a day. Some Samolians would care to hear that as well. Homelesness in Canada, Usa, and every other country is riseing. Countries we consider doing well. I'm curious how many other (christian) sites you have gone to, to tell their beliefs are wrong? Ratorical question. Don't respond, I no the answer. This strengthens my beliefs. JW's are being hated on behalf of Jesus name as he said would
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - I don't hate JW's. You're framing the argument that way. I do distrust this particular religious group because they are the ones who go to everyone's doors trying to convince them the end is near. They who wrote in the 1960's Awake magazine that if you were a young person, you shouldn't even consider a career in the system because you'd never grow old in it. I believed that kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and deceitful.
Would Jesus want such inaccuracy/deceit in his name?
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr Oh we have it good were I live but the world isn't revolving jjust around Canada. 1914 was the BEGINNING of the last days, not THE last day. Jesus spent years preaching of thhe end of this system. If it wasn't comeing he wouldn't have been preaching aboutt it. To not believe in the end of this system you made as well disregard the bible all together. His people stand out from the rest of the world with their high moral values, love for there brothers, sisters preaching work.....
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - Regarding 1914, the Watchtower has changed history on you to make you think they taught it was the "Beginning" of the end. They said differently back then:
"the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." WT 7/15/1894 p. 1677
Regarding Armageddon: "The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." WT 1/15/1892 p. 1355
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@cooper79jeffr and views on war and murder, adultry, alcohol abuse, drugs, stealing, lying, ect.. You can't see any difference with their views than the other 3000 plus christian religions. They take no part in politics or wars. they would sooner face death than ever kill another human. What part of those qualities do you think Jesus woud dislike about them?
dchanyi 11 months ago
@dchanyi - I do not dispute that the pacifism of Jehovah's Witnesses is a positive aspect of their movement. However that isn't what this page is about.
I don't think Jesus would like them deceiving their current members by saying "1914 was predicted to be the beginning of the end" when really they said it was going to be the END of the system, and then tell their members not to go back and read their "old light".
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
Rhonda, coop, and sheech. You guys crack me up! Great stuff! The bibles fascinating!!! I just started studying it again after putting it away for 20 yrs or so but seeing the world through different eyes you could say, i now cant put it down! Its clear we not in last days. We in final hours! I hope the best for all of you!
dchanyi 11 months ago
Only you as an individual can analyze if you truly love “truth” or if you choose to live in a delusion because you have invested so much of your life to the “cause”. Learn the truth and it will set you free. This truth is learned from your self and your own critical thinking and not by means of indoctrination by fanatical men. I desire everyone commenting here the best.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
@mimenteismine - Thank you for your insightful comments here. I also see the Watchtower Society as great deceivers and most of the regular JW's as decent people who are incited to think and act in certain harmful ways. You're so right that people should be able to trust their instincts rather than follow the guidelines of a group of men (or some leader) who tells you what to think about God.
cooper79jeffr 11 months ago
@mimenteismine
So, where have you gone since you left JW, mimenteismine? Are you a part of a new faith now? What have you been doing to ease your trauma?
rhodanageorge 11 months ago
If you really are looking for truth do your own investigation. I won’t even tell you were it is located so you can do it all yourself.
That who prohibits the investigation of information hides something! What is the Watchtower Hiding? Many things!
mimenteismine 1 year ago
I decided to leave after seeing the irrefutable evidence that they protect the organization and its image first, than they protect the perpetrators of child rape second and then the victim comes last. They two witness rule is unbelievable and it is amazing that even after all the lawsuits they still cling to this flawed and destructive rule.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
It takes an amount of humility to accept that you need to take a look at the veracity of everything that you have held dear as the “truth”. I had doubts about the generation for a long time, but even then I prayed and stayed faithful to the organization of 8-10 men called the governing body because I always assumed that they were being used by God. It was very traumatic to learn that they are a bunch of hucksters.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
This is the reason the watchtower prohibits “independent thinking, and critical thinking”. They maintain the members in psychological state of fear using loaded words like “apostate”, “worldly”, “the truth” to control them.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
In the past we the rank and file witnesses could never have found out info about the organization because information did not flow freely the way it does now. Cults like the Children of God, Mormons, Scientologist, Moonies, Watchtower could get away with anything.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
They are in a totalitarian dictatorship within a free society. Don’t get me wrong a few are self righteous lunatics and the sad part is that many of them are abusive elders.
There illusion has begun to crumble before the watchtowers’ eyes. They could never have prepared for the free information of the internet. It’s a true manifestation of freedom of speech.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
Only cults use terminology that separates them from the rest of the world. I used to believe in everything I was taught as a child but I have learned to use reason and critical thinking to question everything. I question the right and the left. This is the only way to know truth. But it takes an amount of humility to accept that you need to take a look at the veracity of everything that you have held dear as the “truth”.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
Don't succumb to hucksters. Learn how to distinguish them. The watchtowers are narcissistic sociopaths who do not care about the average witnesses. They see them as only insignificant "serfs". Most of the rank and file people are sincere in there beliefs and I consider them victims and in no way have any hate against them or anyone. Hate only hurts the person who feels that emotion. I truly feel sorry for Jdubs. They do not have real freedom the think. It is done for them.
mimenteismine 1 year ago
so many comments removed... very revealing as to your desire for truth.
freeminds 1 year ago
hilarious - the "father god" meme that is so primally powerful is used to intimidate. How are you different than tribal gods like Mohammed? Old school! Get with the 21st century and get over your tribal 19th century carnival religion.
freeminds 1 year ago
@luv4u351 When Jehovah said this, it's very clear that he was talking about being the Almighty, not just mighty like Jesus is. So, there never was and never will be another Almighty God as Jehovah, but mighty gods, there are some, for instance, Jesus is called a god in the the Bible,and even Satan is called a god in (2 Corinthians 4:4). Hence, Satan is a mighty god, cause he has power, Jesus is also a Mighty god, as you know, more powerful than Satan, But Almighty, just Jehovah as Isaiah says.
tpop142 1 year ago
@tpop142 - Even bellies are called gods!
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
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tpop142 1 year ago
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tpop142 1 year ago
JWS MAKE GOD A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! y would Jesus be a MIGHTY God, Isa. 9:6, if god says "...Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." ~ I am God there's NO Savior but me! ISAIAH 43:10-11. & a "MIGHTY" God AT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
luv4u351 1 year ago
@luv4u351 - The Trinity / identity of God is a controversial topic, and both sides of the argument have good reasons for what they believe. This YouTube page mainly focuses on JW's and end-time prophecies, pro and con. Feel free to join in on that topic!
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
JWS MAKE GOD A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! y would Jesus be a MIGHTY God, Isa. 9:6, if god says "...Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." ~ I am God there's NO Savior but me! ISAIAH 43:10-11.
luv4u351 1 year ago
@sheechpaw 2
(Daniel 9:1-2) In the first year of Da‧ri′us the son of A‧has‧u‧e′rus of the seed of the Medes, who had been made king over the kingdom of the Chal‧de′ans; 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years.
rhodanageorge 1 year ago
@rhodanageorge - Daniel 9:2 refers to "devastations" of Jerusalem and 70 years. Here is the breakdown of those 70 years for you: Babylon started controlling Judah during the time Jehoiakim started ruling in 609 BCE. Jehoiakim was a mere vassal. Then Jehoiachin ruled a short time in 598 BCE, followed by the last king Zedekiah from 597 to 587 BCE. Then Judah was taken captive, until 539 when they were released. That's the 70 years, according to RELIABLE unbiased history.
cooper79jeffr 1 year ago
@sheechpaw 1
(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’"
rhodanageorge 1 year ago
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cooper79jeffr 1 year ago