The Depravity of the Bible Cannot be Taken "Out of Context"

[105Mittens]

Good video...many Christians do not care to be reminded that the Bible was used for years and years to justify owning slaves (here in the Bible belt especially that happened, where I have lived all my life)...true enough some (like the Quakers) used Christianity to condemn slavery also, but they were considered kooks by mainstream Christians back in the day...the Catholic church certainly had no big qualms with slavery for hundreds of years. :(

[tdfisk]

I have a revolutionary idea, how about thinking for yourself and learning from experience instead of listening to other people to figure out what you should believe? So many people think they are intellectual because they've learned so much from all these "great thinkers". I wonder how much you've learned on your own and how much you've actually experienced for yourself. Education is merely information, experience is knowledge.

Thomas

[flexbrat]

RELIGIONS WELL FAST FORWARD 500 YRS MAYBE THAN WE ALL WILL BE A;LL FREE OF THIS CRAP ! I HOPE SO ? FOR TODAY THE SHEEPLE ARE TO MANY AN TO CLOSED MINDED !

[saxmanchiro]

How do you feel about the brainwashing you received gowing up? Do you think you will have any lingering issues from it? Do you still find your family and theistic friends difficult or frustrating to deal with or are they coming around with your position? It's been a couple of yrs since we discussed these issues and I cannot remember what was going on with your inner circle.

[ShwaNerd]

@saxmanchiro

Depending on the family members things have gotten much better (deconversion seems near-impossible, but increased moderation seems the norm). I don't have any lingering issues; the experiences of my childhood and adolescence just give me all the more motivation to undo indoctrination and unreason wherever I can.

[saxmanchiro]

@ShwaNerd So there is an effect then. You are like an ex-smoker, with more zeal to 'stamp out' lighting up(delusional behaviour) which is cool. How about your buds? Are they all aware of your stance and have they pushed you aside? Do you think you are more sensitized to god shit because of your past and find it hard to resist attacking the woo around you? Are you more militant here on YT than in your daily life?

[ShwaNerd]

@saxmanchiro

I've learned to carefully approach any public (real-life) situation appropriately, so that I always get a desired positive impact with whatever I might say. So I might not be immediately strident (can drive many theists away) HOWEVER I will never back down when directly asked about my beliefs (and I will stand by them, even ones such as the evil of faith, which most theists do find offensive).

[saxmanchiro]

@ShwaNerd Good for you. Now all of us just need to be less strident to theists. They have had it too good for too long. The position does not deserve respect. The person might, but the stance is definitely due some ridicule.

[pantocyclus]

Do you really need to spend so much mental effort on something you don't believe?

[ShwaNerd]

@pantocyclus

Absolutely.

[PluralOfEverything]

@pantocyclus Not just anything. The bible is worth taking the time to refute. Too many idiots think it's the word of an all powerful being.

[MobileThinker]

@pantocyclus when people don't acknowledge these issues then this stagnant haze we call religion will continue to cause pain and hate.

[pantocyclus]

@MobileThinker Do you need to spend hours and hours reading about it to figure that out?

[MobileThinker]

@pantocyclus no, but the point is that it really is worth the effort to educate people so they know how to defend themselves against indoctrination.

[pantocyclus]

@MobileThinker I agree, but you don't need to read 1000 pages to tell you god doesn't exist. There are too many good and interesting books out there to waste your time reading things that only bolster your lack of belief.

[MobileThinker]

@pantocyclus the thing is, without reading the bible you wont know what is in it, and you cannot make the decision if you believe or not.

[pantocyclus]

@MobileThinker I'd rather read the bible than books by famous atheists. I'm not against reading, very much the opposite, I'm just against atheists reading about atheism. It's stupid.

[pantocyclus]

@MobileThinker I'm very much in favour of reading, I'm just against reading things solely to bolster your own disbelief.

[MobileThinker]

@pantocyclus no matter what you already think, you can always gain new information from reading something, even if it is something that you already share views with...

[Lynx787]

@pantocyclus No one would care if abrahamics were capable of keeping their personal beliefs and practices personal like modern pagans do. No one is fighting against pagan beliefs since they don't push them on people who don't want to believe it. There aren't any wiccans going around mass-murdering people "in the name of the goddess", causing wars, forcing their beliefs into schools and societal laws for everyone. It's only the abrahamics that do that, so it's their beliefs that are questioned.

[pantocyclus]

@Lynx787 When did I say not to question their beliefs? I'm saying don't spend hours and hours reading books about how you don't believe in god.

[Lynx787]

@pantocyclus Reading books? The comment I responded to was: "Do you really need to spend so much mental effort on something you don't believe?" That has nothing to do with books. Mental effort spent fighting ignorance and tyranny is a must unless you wish those things.

[pantocyclus]

@Lynx787 I was responding to a video in which shwanerd was talking about reading multiple books by atheist authors. Yes it is mental effort. If you spend time by yourself thinking about and reading about just how much you disbelieve, you're wasting time and mental effort.

[Lynx787]

@pantocyclus But if you are active in it, then you are Not wasting time or effort. Daydreaming about Anything without actually doing something about it is fruitless.

About your other comment to Leks, no one Rational needs to read a book to see that sacrificing people is really murder, but religious people are Not rational. There are still "christians" today burning people alive (including young children) who've been accused of witchcraft. That's irrational, unjust and needs to be fought against.

[LeksServices]

@pantocyclus - Do you believe it's all right to go around kidnapping people and sacrificing them by tying them to a pedestal, slowly slicing them open, starting with their genitals, and disemboweling them so that you can have good weather and constant military victories? If this was a common practice, would you keep your mouth shut because you don't believe it? Do you see the point yet?

[pantocyclus]

@LeksServices And did you have to read several books by Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris to know that sacrificing people is wrong? Do you see the point yet?

[GayTempest]

@pantocyclus If ShwaNerd hasn't, I'll elaborate for him. It isn't as though not believing means you don't believe that the belief of others has any impact. Not just Christianity, but Islam, Judaism, and LDS also have a negative impact on human civilization as a whole. It impairs our decisions on government policy and inhibits the rights of many groups such as women, gays, and other races. We may not believe in their gods, but we know that those who do are a real and present threat to humanity.

[GriffinPilgrim]

I don't like it when people call Christianity "Bronze Age Beliefs." Not because it offends me, I'm not Christian, it's just inaccurate. Christianity is only 2,000 years old, give or take, the Bronze Age was up till 1200 BCE in the Middle East, 600 BCE in Europe. Even Judiaism was mostly formed in the Iron Age. Just my pet peeve.

[RyuDarragh]

@GriffinPilgrim: Ah, but the belief system was born in the stone age, teethed in the bronze age and entered puberty in the iron age. It then stopped growing and became an eternal obstrperous teenager when the Nicean Council got done with it.

[GriffinPilgrim]

@RyuDarragh While I rather like the metaphor (Christianity the permanant teenager, I may use that!), I think that's giving Christianity too much credit. The religions that preceded it were a lot more fun and made rather more sense. I mean if the divine rulers of the world are not all-powerful and are actually a bunch of self interested jerks like Zeus, Ra, Baal etc and their motley crews then the general unfairness of the world is less of a flaw in one's belief system.

[RyuDarragh]

@GriffinPilgrim: Well, yes. The "God" of the abrahamic faiths was (is) a lot like those deities - compare many passages of the bible where their "God" commands some king to "slaughter all the men, women and children... ecept the hot women. Those you can make into sex slaves." If that isn't as bald faced a psychotic and hostile deity, I don't know what is! Their problem comes from "Apologetics". In order to excuse their deity, they have to elevate him to omni-niceness and that's where it breaks.

[GriffinPilgrim]

@RyuDarragh Very true. Which is kinda my point. At least the Ancient Greeks (for a popular example) were honest about their god's behaviour. "Yeah, Zeus is a horny, spiteful, conniving fucker, but he's more powerful than us and just might do us favours if we do stuff for him." No need for Apologetics there. Also most pre-Christian faiths had no problem with people getting laid, which has to be a plus...

[PluralOfEverything]

@GriffinPilgrim You're taking it out of context. Stop doing that and just agree.

[GriffinPilgrim]

@PluralOfEverything Lol, well struck!

[mistereveready]

Typically the answers I see are mumbling, avoidance, or the "It's good to be the king" defense. Basically we are his to be done with whatever he wants. Big deal is, people like to have their own take on morality but give undeserved credit to their god/bible. Much like when a doctor saves a life or player scores a touch down. Fuck the training involved, or any of that shit, it was impossible to do w/o sky daddy helping them.

[IKillBabyKittensLOL]

BRB, need to watch video.