Water 'rights'

[kathmandau]

....this is a good example of things to come--'not your water'

Thanks for this.

Namaste,

CG

[jojo808]

@kathmandau how it goes with lack of foresight . "police yourselves or be policed" is seldom heeded . : )

[vaporose]

Soon they'll be throwing you in jail for standing in the rain and drinking the rain droplets. Morons!

[jojo808]

sure hope effort to control or preserve water don't go that far .

[vaporose]

If people hadn't already built metropolis areas in places like Las Vegas, where there isn't any rainfall, we wouldn't have already had to damn up the entire Colorado River and keep Mexico from getting any and the farmers who used to depend on the river. In native islands, we commercial fish for profit until there's no more fish, then tell the indigenous folks they can't spear fish for food because there isn't enough. It's not about preservation, it's about profits.

[jojo808]

too true vapor. i grew up in the pacific islands & spent a decade in the Aleutians . I feel that capitalism pushes us to commoditize everything for ourselves before the "other guy does it". We forget "the others' as fromsoiltosoul puts it, meaning everything we depend on. In Alaska the natives are allowed to do many things non-native can't because they have proven that they understand and respect 'the others' . Not everyone collecting water understands,, even with the best intentions .

[xyzllii]

We don't own the rain...? How mad is it that you can't collect rainwater...that is so un eco friendly.

[jojo808]

it might be easier to ask if the rain owns us . :)

[fromsoiltosoul]

this is important info. thanks for posting this jo.

i think seattle is one of the few places rain barrels are legal.

[jojo808]

thank you for commenting here C. I respect your opinion.  what if any are some regulations that might be required for the lucky with access to precious water ?

[fromsoiltosoul]

working within and becoming familiar the bounds of laws is a good start if one is inclined to change things... but at this point doing what works best for the land in conjunction with ourselves and the greater community of life is often never considered... it's usually what 'we' think we need or want that is at the forefront of action with little or no consideration for 'the others'. systemic thinking and action is needed here: me+ecology+careful observation= consideration of all = future.

[jojo808]

eloquently put sir. zooming way back to see our place in the bigger picture of ecology would be a huge step , yes. So often 'the others' are voiceless and exploited until they hit us in the face . Careful observation will move us away from the current 'dominion' meme hopefully.

[JoinTheGreenTeam]

I'm not quite sure my total opinion on this matter but I DO think people should be allowed to collect it in a watering can and water their plants with it! I'm not sure about the large businesses though.

[ThndersRage]

They can kiss my anal crevasse.

[jojo808]

the companies tainting the water or elected officials ruling over it ? Where if anywhere should a middle ground be?

[ThndersRage]

They both can kiss it. There should be no way that they can control what one does in regards to capturing rain water on their own property(s). I think "Rage Against The Machine" says it best in "Killing in the Name" at the end of the song.

[jojo808]

so, ideally water should be completely free and accessible to all persons and companies regardless? What thoughts on run-off ? Should there be no rules?

[ThndersRage]

I am saying that if people or businesses want to trap the rain water that falls on their property (like a barrel under an eve) then they should be able to. Does that mean I think people or businesses should be able to damn up rivers and brooks and the like in such an environment, no. My personal philosophy would love to yell no rules. However my lack of extended experience in such a climate makes me ill-prepared to discuss run-off manipulation and lasting effects. Hope that clarifies things.

[jojo808]

yes. I think it's our gut reaction to cry foul here. Like we should be able to do "whatever" ,just to spite an authority. Your statement points to the accountability in freedom we often miss. Do you think a good understanding of whole picture should be required before controlling significant amounts of a precious resource ?

[ThndersRage]

"Do you think a good understanding of whole picture should be required before controlling significant amounts of a precious resource?"

Yes I do. That understanding could lead us in a direction that would require less control. And in all honesty they should not be controlling what they do not understand.