@LilyCh23 Which Hans Zimmer did as well. If you listen to Gladiator's score you'll find that parts of it are VERY similar to Pirates of the Caribbean.
It speaks of a misguided self righteous that is apart of us all and destroys for some good only we can see. The good slowly corrupts us and turns us as black as the evil we claim to fight.
Heh and in the end that good turns on us like a snake and destroys whatever is left of us leaving a cold shell that feels nothing but regret.
Good theme for a complex character. Can't even really call him a villain, since he honestly believed in what he was doing as something good for his people. What a twist in the movie. I was absolutely knocked senseless when this was revealed, and the immolation scene was powerful and disturbing.
when i watched the beggining of this scene, where he starts to run from the cops into the vatican catacombs and then, BANG!!!! he holds a vase of oil in one hand, and a candle in another, and he sets himself aflame. I just couldn't watch this scene. It really was way too disturbing and emotional,and what a twist!!! I LOVE ANGELS AND DEMONS!!!!
I also loved this scene. The best part was when the cops were weaving their way through the cardinals. For some reason I was thinking they were like black serpents in a red sea haha... Corny i know:-P but I loved this scene and I love this song!!!
This was such a depressing scene and the music is just perfect for setting the mood. It's really sad when bad guys think they have reasons to do horrible things and they must destroy themselves in the end. You can't just plain hate those people because they're complex... It's great for movies, but sometimes I miss those old one where villains had no redeeming qualities and we could just bash them without feeling guilty :p
I'll admit, the old villains were sort of more fun in that way, but I actually find complex "villains" refreshing in a way. Like the horrible things they do are either to prevent an even grater tragedy (Adrian Veidt in Watchmen, Albert Simon is the video game Shadow Hearts) or to bring about some great good event (as with Father Patrick in this movie). In all honesty, I think it makes the story that much more interesting.
@chris84bloom you know, good creates evil. instead of blaming everyone around, maybe first look at yourself. nothing is being done without a reason and evil has a god damn good reason to hate and have it's revenge.
@downsideupgoesgroar Did I miss something here? I thought we were simply discussing a movie. I wasn't trying to imply that it's everyone else's fault. I personally believe virtually all morals are relative. I'm not so self-righteous as to persuade others to think my way. As for the movie, Patrick's so-called reason wasn't that well-planned out. It would've been great if the movie tried to incorporate the novel's ending.
@chris84bloom I know you were talking about movie. I just made a point in general. You know, since there's no one to put a good word for evil.. like... ever
@chris84bloom Well there was also the assassin-for-hire with no motive but money (though not in the book) I'm sure nobody could care less about. Just like the world's in need of both science and religion; the movies are in need of both simple and complex villains.
i actually loved this scene in the film, and the film itself was very enjoyable. i didnt care much that it differed from the novel, thats what comes with all movie adaptions. i do wish they had the 4th cardinal die though, and had vittoria kidnapped. that section felt so powerful and made langdon feel such dread that he had failed
I loved the ending of the book with all the symbology and revelations. I can understand why they chanced the ending, but I can't help it fealing disappointed.
why did they leave out such important parts of the book like when he falls out of the helicopter or when he burns himself on the balcony OR when Mortarti became pope and why was Kohler left out??
I will never, NEVER forgive them for what they did to the immolation scene in this film.
In the book it's majestic, symbolic, beautiful, mysterious - he ascends in a pillar of flame after realising that HE is the horror, not the hope.
In the film it's just depressing and horrible, and completely misses the point. He writhes and screams on the floor, committing suicide to escape punishment. I almost wept; it's absolutely criminal.
I cried when the camerlengo died. I really liked him and I was like "WHAT THE FUCK" when I realized he was the villain. Until that point I thought he was just the perfect human being. but yeah. nobody's perfect, huh? :D
Hans Zimmer is an amazing composer, but it's kind of obvious after listening to him for so long he reuses many of his cues from other films (example: listen to the opening of Dear Clarice from Hannibal and then the opening of Why So Serious? from The Dark Knight).
Yeah I know I just saw the movie a few days ago. I don't like his reasoning in this one. In the book he died because he felt guilty and in this one he just did it so he didn't hav to deal with punishment! I yelled BULL really loud in the theater...
has anyone ever noticed that Watch The World Burn is like almost the exact same song, just with a few notes changed here and there? I really like that. It kind of makes me think its like Mr. ZImmer's "trademark" song or something lol
If you haven't bought this soundtrack already, go out now and do so - it is phenomonal. Don't just nick it from here - buy it. It's well worth it. Less than a tenner for a soundtrack ain't bad, now is it?
This piece of music works so well for this scene. Lovin the double basses...
A lot of Zimmer's (fabulous) work is very similar - there are numerous similarities between his Da Vinci Code soundtrack and his Pirates soundtracks; for just one of the many examples, listen to the music used at Will's death in Pirates 3, then listen to the end of 'Dies in mecurii martius'
Can't tell you everything that was different, way too much... the Pope turned out to be Carmelengo Ventressca's (which is his name in the novel) biological father which is part of the reason he killed him thinking that he had sexual intercourse with his mother when in fact he had given her his DNA by other means which is also another reason why he valued science so much. Robert Langdon went up into the helicopter with the Carmellengo when he took the Anti Matter into the sky and the Carmelengo..
...left him to die in the copter with the anti-matter taking the only parachute but Robert was able to jump out and survive by some means. In the novel Inspector Olivetti was actually the Commander of the Swiss guard instead of Richter but he did die in the same way he did in the film. So instead of the Commander discovering the Carmelengo's secret it was the director of the scientific facility Cern, Maximillion Kholer, a character introduced in the beginning of the novel. Also in the novel...
...Robert first went to Cern to Annalise the Illuminati symbol on the first victims chest, the man who died at Cern also turned out to be Vittoria's forster father in the novel. From there Robert and Vittoria went to the Vatican answering for the Anti-Matter they had discovered. It was in this whole beginning part of the novel that the Anti-Matter was explained a lot more in deapth. Also during the novel it also went very in deapth into the history of the Illuminati and the path of Illumination.
..where as the film did only very little. The assassin in the novel was actually Muslim and kidnaps Vittoria in the scene where the Cardinal is burned to death with the assassin's intention of raping her just before the Anti-Matter went off. In the novel Robert faces him alone and both him and Vittoria manage to push him off the balcony killing him. Also in the novel none of the Cardinals survived and the one in the fountain actually drowned including a fight scene between Robert and the...
...assassin in the water. So in the novel instead Cardinal Strauss becomes the new pope instead of the new Carmellengo. I think that's the major differences, there are a fair few more but I'm not going to go into them... I'm pretty sure Robert and Vittoria have a sex scene in like the final chapter of the novel aswell... and yeah I think that's it.
I think they changed him in the movie from being Muslim to white so it wouldn't make all the Muslims and Middle Easterners upset, but that's just what I think.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that you're right. I'm pretty sure that Ron Howard decided to change the character because of all the controversy and over the top political correctness on the subject of Middle Eastern peoples. It would've definitely boiled up conflict if the character in the film was portrayed as he was in the novel.
He wasn't muslim in the book but he was arabic, and the author was just trying to weave in the whole "revenge and retribution" theme involving those hurt by some of the more radical act of the Church at the time.
But yeah that would have totally flared controversey, which is why they dampened the criticism of the Church in this film.
The Church wasn't racially aggressive at all in its history (those acts were committed on the part of Catholic individuals who were extremists in their faith.)
I believe when people refer to that racial prejudice back then they are referring more to the fact that pope called 3 (4) crusades against Jerusalem and the surrounding area. To be honest, it would have pissed me off too if I had been living there. Technically it wasn't racially aggressive, just greedily aggressive.
Actually, 3 major crusades plus the children's crusade, which may be the fourth you refer to. Seven Crusades total.
It wasn't racially aggressive, nor was Urban's goal greedy. He simply wished to preserve the Catholic faith and Orthodox faith from an expansionist threat (Turkish Empire) which had already devastated his Orthodox cousins.
The intentions of some crusaders were greedy and not honorable, but the Church's were true and honest.
lol, the crusades were due to self preservation. they were perhaps not racist but they did discriminate in religion. Non-christians, to further extent non-catholics (contstantinople), were to be rid off. The pope was a part of this thinking. "Christ holds the true key to paradise", that's what they said. Therefore, he was greedy.
There was at least one Ottoman (their sultan) that stated islam was an extension of christianity. I also remember something about a tomb prepared for Christ somewhere in Saudi Arabia..can't seem to find that, so that may be a lie.
Anyway, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make.
Religions can have multiple prophets, from the top of my head I can name Moses and Christ for the Christians. And it's a fact that all monotheistic faiths are extensions of one another. just look at their holy texts.
The Crusades never were about religion anyway, religion was the means to achieve a political goal, namely to regain control of the Holy City (money and power were the keywords here)
Most popes actually were more Machiavellan politicians back then (controlled by the wealthiest nation
The Crusade was first of all REQUESTED by the Orthodox Christian cousins of the Catholics who were threatened by the Turkish Empire which sought to take control of Europe.
Also, it was justified- from a point of view- in that it was an expedition launched to retake land from an empire which denied Christians their ability to pilgrim there.
It started out with good, and pious intentions, and devolved into a political struggle rather than religious.
Actually, the entire point of the Crusades wasn't to be rid of non-Catholics. It was to ensure their passage into the Holy Land. It was requested by the Byzantine emperor in order to protect non-Catholic Orthodoxy so... Yeah, the Venicians did sack Constantinople, but were immediately excommunicated for it.
A Jihad is more similar to eradication of infidel, but Jihads are divided into Greater (internal struggle vs. self) and Lesser (external vs. infidel) Jihads.
Really, I don't want to offend you, but would the Crimean War have really happened if the relations between the Ottomans and Russians were superb?
I mean, if I remember correctly, the Byzantine emperor just wanted to get rid of the Turks, who were tearing up his precious empire. Perhaps the sacking of Constantinople didn't not reflect the Pope's vision or the crusaders that didn't join in the battle (...), but his vision was against non-Christians. Including 'heretics'.
I thought this was a great scene, like the one in Revenge of the Sith except this time it had been him who had betrayed and been set on fire..
SpankingPaul 2 months ago 2
That's an awesome video effect!!! Also loved the movie and the music!
nekorayne 5 months ago
Whoa..
Varodunham92 5 months ago
OK; I'm really drunk right now; either that, or the image has been coupled with one of those wacky mirrors.
TheUnseenMovieLover 9 months ago
Do so... gently.
dropdeadugly100 1 year ago
this music is to the scene when the guy puts himself on fire
86ilovepink86 1 year ago
@86ilovepink86 hence the name "Immolation"
ckpwnsall 11 months ago
"Father, commit thy hands i commend my spirits"-Camerlengo as he pours gasoline on himself
mboy115 1 year ago 2
@mboy115 "Into thy hands I commend my spirit"
ZKY2 1 year ago
So dark.
ufosenbomen 1 year ago
This is really similar to music from Inception.
LilyCh23 1 year ago
@LilyCh23 Which Hans Zimmer did as well. If you listen to Gladiator's score you'll find that parts of it are VERY similar to Pirates of the Caribbean.
faint87 1 year ago
this is the same song in The Dark Knight World Burns song
Sniper2477 1 year ago
@Sniper2477 haha how fitting the titles are, then!
dano1s 1 year ago
poor ewan :(
leeallen01 1 year ago
This theme is beautiful.
It speaks of a misguided self righteous that is apart of us all and destroys for some good only we can see. The good slowly corrupts us and turns us as black as the evil we claim to fight.
Heh and in the end that good turns on us like a snake and destroys whatever is left of us leaving a cold shell that feels nothing but regret.
camil2003 1 year ago 2
anyone else think that ewan mcgregors voice in this movie was beyond sexy?
fleurgi 1 year ago 5
@fleurgi It's especially sexy when he starts yelling :D
meboo59 1 year ago
Good theme for a complex character. Can't even really call him a villain, since he honestly believed in what he was doing as something good for his people. What a twist in the movie. I was absolutely knocked senseless when this was revealed, and the immolation scene was powerful and disturbing.
khojama 1 year ago 4
@khojama YOU SAID IT......
when i watched the beggining of this scene, where he starts to run from the cops into the vatican catacombs and then, BANG!!!! he holds a vase of oil in one hand, and a candle in another, and he sets himself aflame. I just couldn't watch this scene. It really was way too disturbing and emotional,and what a twist!!! I LOVE ANGELS AND DEMONS!!!!
SpiderBoy992 1 year ago 2
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camil2003 1 year ago
What's the music right before this scene, where they are watching the security cameras and figure everything out?
egomaniac654 1 year ago
I also loved this scene. The best part was when the cops were weaving their way through the cardinals. For some reason I was thinking they were like black serpents in a red sea haha... Corny i know:-P but I loved this scene and I love this song!!!
bddblink182 2 years ago 4
3:22 To 3:40 sounds just like the part in pirates of the carribean at worlds end in which beckett is killed by the black pearl
and the flying dutchman.
DjFreemode 2 years ago
@DjFreemode alot of it sounds like the Darknight, "watching the world burn", this sounds like alot of things lol
shadowace421 1 year ago
2:17 really gets going
theMANNtwin 2 years ago 2
video fucked up my mind.
Song is awesome.
gsp1995 2 years ago 7
This was such a depressing scene and the music is just perfect for setting the mood. It's really sad when bad guys think they have reasons to do horrible things and they must destroy themselves in the end. You can't just plain hate those people because they're complex... It's great for movies, but sometimes I miss those old one where villains had no redeeming qualities and we could just bash them without feeling guilty :p
chris84bloom 2 years ago 41
I'll admit, the old villains were sort of more fun in that way, but I actually find complex "villains" refreshing in a way. Like the horrible things they do are either to prevent an even grater tragedy (Adrian Veidt in Watchmen, Albert Simon is the video game Shadow Hearts) or to bring about some great good event (as with Father Patrick in this movie). In all honesty, I think it makes the story that much more interesting.
tygortora 2 years ago 5
@chris84bloom you know, good creates evil. instead of blaming everyone around, maybe first look at yourself. nothing is being done without a reason and evil has a god damn good reason to hate and have it's revenge.
downsideupgoesgroar 1 year ago
@downsideupgoesgroar Did I miss something here? I thought we were simply discussing a movie. I wasn't trying to imply that it's everyone else's fault. I personally believe virtually all morals are relative. I'm not so self-righteous as to persuade others to think my way. As for the movie, Patrick's so-called reason wasn't that well-planned out. It would've been great if the movie tried to incorporate the novel's ending.
chris84bloom 1 year ago
@chris84bloom I know you were talking about movie. I just made a point in general. You know, since there's no one to put a good word for evil.. like... ever
downsideupgoesgroar 1 year ago
@downsideupgoesgroar True. I find the word evil very problematical itself. Good/evil dichotomy never works, it seems.
chris84bloom 1 year ago
@chris84bloom Well there was also the assassin-for-hire with no motive but money (though not in the book) I'm sure nobody could care less about. Just like the world's in need of both science and religion; the movies are in need of both simple and complex villains.
mphlohi 9 months ago
This song reminds me of Watch The World Burn.
Also by the genius that is Hans Zimmer.
i probably like this one better cuz it sounds more sinister....if that makes sense.
N4xi 2 years ago 6
Is the picture moving, or am I going crazy??? xD
BDaDennis 2 years ago 88
Hope it is, cause I see it moving too O_o
tiojaviss 2 years ago
rofl xD
BDaDennis 2 years ago
it's the pic
gps456 2 years ago
I know :P
BDaDennis 2 years ago
hehe :)
gps456 2 years ago
:P... wow much comments to my comment O_o
BDaDennis 2 years ago 2
Probably both.
Valenhiem 2 years ago 2
-.-
BDaDennis 2 years ago 3
@BDaDennis Crazy.
rachelishot0 1 year ago
@BDaDennis Your going crazy XD
SummDuDe2o9 1 year ago
@BDaDennis Stop doing acid lol
ufosenbomen 1 year ago
@ufosenbomen -.-
BDaDennis 1 year ago
@BDaDennis
FAIL! It's not moving!
k3dmusic 1 year ago
@k3dmusic EPIC FAIL! You need to go to the optician :P
xD
BDaDennis 1 year ago
@BDaDennis
Hahahaha I Meant you're going crazy :P
k3dmusic 1 year ago
@BDaDennis I kinda see that also
donvito159 1 year ago
@BDaDennis No no, you're definately crazy :D
mzbrunette149 1 year ago
@BDaDennis
The picture is moving, I guess. :)
supermassiveXdream 1 year ago
@BDaDennis Nope... Its Moving @.@
LeaRock151 10 months ago
@BDaDennis mmmmhm you crazy boi you crazy XD
moomoopowa 9 months ago
i actually loved this scene in the film, and the film itself was very enjoyable. i didnt care much that it differed from the novel, thats what comes with all movie adaptions. i do wish they had the 4th cardinal die though, and had vittoria kidnapped. that section felt so powerful and made langdon feel such dread that he had failed
etcos1 2 years ago 2
I loved the ending of the book with all the symbology and revelations. I can understand why they chanced the ending, but I can't help it fealing disappointed.
Ephialtus 2 years ago
why did they leave out such important parts of the book like when he falls out of the helicopter or when he burns himself on the balcony OR when Mortarti became pope and why was Kohler left out??
pokemaster1471 2 years ago
Kohler was left out because I thnk he would insulted Steven Hawkins who the character appears to be based on
the bit about Camerlengo would cause huge uproar in the Vatican if they put that in the film
fungboy3 2 years ago
I will never, NEVER forgive them for what they did to the immolation scene in this film.
In the book it's majestic, symbolic, beautiful, mysterious - he ascends in a pillar of flame after realising that HE is the horror, not the hope.
In the film it's just depressing and horrible, and completely misses the point. He writhes and screams on the floor, committing suicide to escape punishment. I almost wept; it's absolutely criminal.
tehcosmicexplorer08 2 years ago
Why are there religious debates on EVERY VIDEO ON YOUTUBE?
jman12725 2 years ago 9
I see the dilema, but it WAS a rather controversial movie in the religious groups.
theDrache 2 years ago
Sounds like "The Dark Knight"'s "Watch the World Burn" which of course, Hans Zimmer did as well
AnnaBarton10 2 years ago 3
as always han has done an amazing job
Asgard72 2 years ago
you can definitely hear some of his other songs in this one.
Stargate1997 2 years ago
Wait, what????!!! He commited suicide???!!!! I did not know that... I think I may just be clueless.... Damn.
MyLadyofGenki 2 years ago
I cried when the camerlengo died. I really liked him and I was like "WHAT THE FUCK" when I realized he was the villain. Until that point I thought he was just the perfect human being. but yeah. nobody's perfect, huh? :D
ChibiAriane 2 years ago 8
Yes I do agree with you.. Poor Camerlengo
TheLastFamousWords 2 years ago 4
If you read the book his death and reasoning is ten times more epic!
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago 3
very very similar to watch the world burn. Very good though
philaraz 2 years ago
yeah! very similar!!!! and 0:55- 0:59 from the 'God Particle' is very dark knight too
gigileungty96 2 years ago
this is simiral to dark knight ost
name Harvey's two face...
XXXJAKEASsXXX 2 years ago
Actually, I do believe the track you're refering to is "Watch the World Burn."
AngelofMusic04 2 years ago
It does, because it's the same composer :-)
littlezdawg2012 2 years ago
That's the joke, my friend.
Hans Zimmer is an amazing composer, but it's kind of obvious after listening to him for so long he reuses many of his cues from other films (example: listen to the opening of Dear Clarice from Hannibal and then the opening of Why So Serious? from The Dark Knight).
AngelofMusic04 2 years ago
Yeah, some of his music does sound kind of similar, but I think he does a really good job keeping a variety of his pieces.
littlezdawg2012 2 years ago
Even so, I liked the camerlengo. All he wanted was unity and people to come together. Not a bad thing, but he sure went about it in a bad way
GeneralAmeli0 2 years ago 4
You can totally just see the scene happening! Especially at 2:18 you can just see him flicking the lighter on! OMG!
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago
He didn't use a lighter :D
He shattered a candle against oil poured on and around him.
Valenhiem 2 years ago 3
Yeah I know I just saw the movie a few days ago. I don't like his reasoning in this one. In the book he died because he felt guilty and in this one he just did it so he didn't hav to deal with punishment! I yelled BULL really loud in the theater...
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago
people must have enjoyed that.
Asrialth 2 years ago
The thing about yellling... BULL! No one enjoyed that. This old lady shushed me!
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago
What a bitch! :P haha, kidding, of course.
Haha, you really made me laugh by writing this.
Asrialth 2 years ago
I'm glad I made you laugh!
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago
You yelled? In a theater?
WOW you are cool!
RoscoMalosco 2 years ago
Not on purpose... it just slipped out I covered my mouth in surprise when I did!
liverpoolfan3333 2 years ago
You must be incredibly stupid if that's the true.
RoscoMalosco 2 years ago
i think for obvious reasons they skipped it in the film to prevent a massive uproar
fungboy3 2 years ago
OMG soccerbabi is right this is watch the world burn from DK!
Dumpstermuffin1 2 years ago
Creepiest part of the movie. It was actually quite disturbing, along with the Camerlengo's suicide. Still, best movie ever.
Valenhiem 2 years ago 4
This was the part where he comitted suicide.
Clempath 2 years ago
Oh... The Camerlengo? Okay... Now I recognize the beginning as when the Swiss guards attempted to block off the escapes.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
has anyone ever noticed that Watch The World Burn is like almost the exact same song, just with a few notes changed here and there? I really like that. It kind of makes me think its like Mr. ZImmer's "trademark" song or something lol
soccerbabi08 2 years ago 3
Also "Am I Not Merciful?" from Gladiator.
AngelofMusic04 2 years ago 2
the music from this movie is epic
sweetjanqt13 2 years ago
If you haven't bought this soundtrack already, go out now and do so - it is phenomonal. Don't just nick it from here - buy it. It's well worth it. Less than a tenner for a soundtrack ain't bad, now is it?
This piece of music works so well for this scene. Lovin the double basses...
Kimberleg 2 years ago
Anyone notice how this track is extremely similar to "Watch the World Burn" in the Dark Knight soundtrack? Also a Zimmer product :D
spaedin 2 years ago
A lot of Zimmer's (fabulous) work is very similar - there are numerous similarities between his Da Vinci Code soundtrack and his Pirates soundtracks; for just one of the many examples, listen to the music used at Will's death in Pirates 3, then listen to the end of 'Dies in mecurii martius'
Kimberleg 2 years ago
yeah true but its his own style that no matter how repetitive it is, it still gets you everytime.
punksnotdead15 2 years ago 3
oh absolutely
Kimberleg 2 years ago 2
That was such a scary part of the movie, but in the book he goes on the balcony in front of the crowd and burns himself.
Clempath 2 years ago
i did not read the book , plz tell me how different is it from the movie?
tuko2209 2 years ago
Its pretty different..
prismalglue 2 years ago
for example ? , sorry if im buttering u but i do not like to read so , can u tell me one or two differents things from the book ?
tuko2209 2 years ago
Can't tell you everything that was different, way too much... the Pope turned out to be Carmelengo Ventressca's (which is his name in the novel) biological father which is part of the reason he killed him thinking that he had sexual intercourse with his mother when in fact he had given her his DNA by other means which is also another reason why he valued science so much. Robert Langdon went up into the helicopter with the Carmellengo when he took the Anti Matter into the sky and the Carmelengo..
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
...left him to die in the copter with the anti-matter taking the only parachute but Robert was able to jump out and survive by some means. In the novel Inspector Olivetti was actually the Commander of the Swiss guard instead of Richter but he did die in the same way he did in the film. So instead of the Commander discovering the Carmelengo's secret it was the director of the scientific facility Cern, Maximillion Kholer, a character introduced in the beginning of the novel. Also in the novel...
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
...Robert first went to Cern to Annalise the Illuminati symbol on the first victims chest, the man who died at Cern also turned out to be Vittoria's forster father in the novel. From there Robert and Vittoria went to the Vatican answering for the Anti-Matter they had discovered. It was in this whole beginning part of the novel that the Anti-Matter was explained a lot more in deapth. Also during the novel it also went very in deapth into the history of the Illuminati and the path of Illumination.
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
..where as the film did only very little. The assassin in the novel was actually Muslim and kidnaps Vittoria in the scene where the Cardinal is burned to death with the assassin's intention of raping her just before the Anti-Matter went off. In the novel Robert faces him alone and both him and Vittoria manage to push him off the balcony killing him. Also in the novel none of the Cardinals survived and the one in the fountain actually drowned including a fight scene between Robert and the...
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
...assassin in the water. So in the novel instead Cardinal Strauss becomes the new pope instead of the new Carmellengo. I think that's the major differences, there are a fair few more but I'm not going to go into them... I'm pretty sure Robert and Vittoria have a sex scene in like the final chapter of the novel aswell... and yeah I think that's it.
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
woou , that was nice .. really nice .. thanks for ur time ^^
tuko2209 2 years ago
No probs
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
yeah and Vittoria wore shorts into the Vatican lol
iwanabana 2 years ago
I was looking forward to that
AlessandraRulez 2 years ago 2
ROFLCOPTER
But she also tore up priceless archives, so I guess she's not devout, now is she? ;D
Valenhiem 2 years ago
I think they changed him in the movie from being Muslim to white so it wouldn't make all the Muslims and Middle Easterners upset, but that's just what I think.
Clempath 2 years ago 3
Yeah I'm pretty sure that you're right. I'm pretty sure that Ron Howard decided to change the character because of all the controversy and over the top political correctness on the subject of Middle Eastern peoples. It would've definitely boiled up conflict if the character in the film was portrayed as he was in the novel.
DisturboFreak 2 years ago
He wasn't muslim in the book but he was arabic, and the author was just trying to weave in the whole "revenge and retribution" theme involving those hurt by some of the more radical act of the Church at the time.
But yeah that would have totally flared controversey, which is why they dampened the criticism of the Church in this film.
In my opinion, it was frikkin epic. Hands down.
Simsim1705 2 years ago 2
The Church wasn't racially aggressive at all in its history (those acts were committed on the part of Catholic individuals who were extremists in their faith.)
Valenhiem 2 years ago
I believe when people refer to that racial prejudice back then they are referring more to the fact that pope called 3 (4) crusades against Jerusalem and the surrounding area. To be honest, it would have pissed me off too if I had been living there. Technically it wasn't racially aggressive, just greedily aggressive.
BMANN1019 2 years ago 2
Actually, 3 major crusades plus the children's crusade, which may be the fourth you refer to. Seven Crusades total.
It wasn't racially aggressive, nor was Urban's goal greedy. He simply wished to preserve the Catholic faith and Orthodox faith from an expansionist threat (Turkish Empire) which had already devastated his Orthodox cousins.
The intentions of some crusaders were greedy and not honorable, but the Church's were true and honest.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
lol, the crusades were due to self preservation. they were perhaps not racist but they did discriminate in religion. Non-christians, to further extent non-catholics (contstantinople), were to be rid off. The pope was a part of this thinking. "Christ holds the true key to paradise", that's what they said. Therefore, he was greedy.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago 2
The crusade was to free the holy land from the muslims.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
well, what was so bad about muslims? Some said they were an extension of christianity.
Not to offend you or anything, but your statement is the first link in a chain of thinking and reasoning.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago 2
WRONG! There no where near christianity. Muslims dont believe in Jesus Christ.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
There was at least one Ottoman (their sultan) that stated islam was an extension of christianity. I also remember something about a tomb prepared for Christ somewhere in Saudi Arabia..can't seem to find that, so that may be a lie.
Anyway, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago
Way off there, Rozabal (or Roza Bal) mosque in Srinagar.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago
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Those who believe in Jesus is christian.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
Actually they do, to them he was a prophet.
hez101 2 years ago
no they think muhamed was a prophet.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
Do a google search or something before you come on here spouting pish.
hez101 2 years ago
No, they dont believe in Jesus but believe in God.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
ffs, will you please look it up. jesus is in the quran and everything. moron
hez101 2 years ago
I know but they dont believe in jesus as there saviour.
flameboy1236 2 years ago
Religions can have multiple prophets, from the top of my head I can name Moses and Christ for the Christians. And it's a fact that all monotheistic faiths are extensions of one another. just look at their holy texts.
The Crusades never were about religion anyway, religion was the means to achieve a political goal, namely to regain control of the Holy City (money and power were the keywords here)
Most popes actually were more Machiavellan politicians back then (controlled by the wealthiest nation
thetobias666 2 years ago
Muslims do not believe Jesus was God, true.
They do, however, regard him as an important prophet, much like Muhammad, who they do not worship.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
I did not say muslims worship Jesus as the Christians do. Although he is considered the Messiah. I guess you already know that.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago
Muslims do not consider Jesus the messiah. He's just another prophet to them.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
haha. cheers mate. lolololololol. Major error there. :D
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hottekerstbabe 2 years ago
so why is Jesus mentioned in the quran as the messiah
salehnuru 2 years ago
The Crusade was first of all REQUESTED by the Orthodox Christian cousins of the Catholics who were threatened by the Turkish Empire which sought to take control of Europe.
Also, it was justified- from a point of view- in that it was an expedition launched to retake land from an empire which denied Christians their ability to pilgrim there.
It started out with good, and pious intentions, and devolved into a political struggle rather than religious.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
Actually, the entire point of the Crusades wasn't to be rid of non-Catholics. It was to ensure their passage into the Holy Land. It was requested by the Byzantine emperor in order to protect non-Catholic Orthodoxy so... Yeah, the Venicians did sack Constantinople, but were immediately excommunicated for it.
A Jihad is more similar to eradication of infidel, but Jihads are divided into Greater (internal struggle vs. self) and Lesser (external vs. infidel) Jihads.
Valenhiem 2 years ago
Really, I don't want to offend you, but would the Crimean War have really happened if the relations between the Ottomans and Russians were superb?
I mean, if I remember correctly, the Byzantine emperor just wanted to get rid of the Turks, who were tearing up his precious empire. Perhaps the sacking of Constantinople didn't not reflect the Pope's vision or the crusaders that didn't join in the battle (...), but his vision was against non-Christians. Including 'heretics'.
hottekerstbabe 2 years ago
wow! that is so different and totally awesome! im gonna read the book now. (i only just saw the movie today!)
avargirl 2 years ago
The book is so much better than the movie, and the movie was freaking epic so yeah.
Clempath 2 years ago
the warpin poster just makes the music even creepier... more in-depth with it's beholdings.
shiaktixxfiamma 2 years ago 5
epic
kurisataru 2 years ago 2