@CanadianDipper18 LOLOLOLOL hate to break it to ya but things are no different here . In fact theyre moving closer and closer to what the US looks like . Slowly but surely . In fact we recently had a bill in the Canadian Parliament that, if passed, wouldve allowed the Government to basically spy on you when you're using the internet . Wouldve gutted the Right to Privacy . Thankfully I hear it didn't pass but this is, in fact, the second time they tried to get it passed .
@CanadianDipper18 It will no doubt come around a third time or perhaps something much worse will come along . But yea long story short we're just as fucked as the Americans . :/. Especially when we have an idiot like Stephen Harper as our Prime Minister .
So, I remember being call caught up in this when it first aired. Now, as it is apparent just how biased RT is, and how corrupt they are as well, this whole thing was definitely staged. Would this have been news if nothing happened? It was a obvious instigation attempt.
Regardless of how many dancers are inolved in the corruption, the fact is the members law enforcement were in as well. You CANT BODY SLAM SOMEONE ON STONE FLOOR , without them fighting, and not expect to break their head open.
@Bruce1949919 It does prove something because this is the second video we have seen in the same place. The police slammed their bodies to the ground when they have already raised their hands for handcuffing in the first video because they were accused of dancing in the wrong place.
it happened to be that i was writing comments like "freedom for [...]" (like Iraq, Korea or Egypt)
should I now write "freedom for America"?! freedom for the country that used to be a sign of freedom for the others?
that's really sad...
people! REFUSE! RESIST! against stupidity and law authorities abusing their privileges and treating other people like shit! those who should serve and make us feel safe should not act like that... this is sad...
@TragicIndeed ..this pieces of shit are agents provocateurs...they want to incite civil unrest as an excuse for martial law...how do i know? NORMAL PEOPLE SELDOM DANCE WITHOUT MUSIC ...those 'dancers' are undercover cops, agent provocateurs, trying to give the excuse for martial law.....in "part 2" (also available on youtube) they did bring some miserable "music" but i can assure you that this is sort of "music" that only cops and nuns could dance to...i seek pole shift survival group...
Oh yeah.. jefferson wasn't a saint so why cant we dance on his memorial?
Hi had hundreds of slaves and was in favor of having them... He wasn't a good president, he did nothing for american people and he did nothing for the human beeings, just another president with some iimportant agreements with the people of great britain, but what more? NOTHING
@the3nd12 Yeah I'm sure he didn't write the constitution or anything, we just have a monument for him for no reason. People who think that these people are stupid for dancing obviously didn't see the video where the same people were dancing here and got arrested and thrown to the ground, which is the whole point of why they're doing this.
@haldenzguard What did China do to make you say that? The police in China would never throw those people down to the ground when they were already raising their hands for handcuffing. Did you see the previous video on how American police treated the same people in the same place?
EASY TO WIN OVER THE POLICE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. WHEN PREPARING TO PROTEST OR TAKE A STAND, MAKE SURE YOU BRING PLENTLY OF HOT COFFEE AND DUNKIN DONUTS FOR THE COPS. LOL ALL TYPES OF DONUTS. PLEASE REMEMBER THIS AND YOU'LL BE FINE
Look at all these knumbskull comments (e.g. lacholitarubia). Pretty soon demonstrators like these may end up in a military prison like at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But commentors like lacholitarubia don't think about about stuff like this until it's too late.
I understand the desire to express freedom of speech, but the memorial to Thomas Jefferson is a solemn place to remember the man who wrote the declaration of independence and the political framework of our country.
"Let this be a lesson! We can stand up to the government!" Freaking awesome to see this FINALLY happening in America. We've become so caught in left vs right that we forgot to focus on the issues and how our freedoms are being eliminated by both sides of the political spectrum. I wish I could have participated in this.
@chwparker ya and blabbing will not solve much of anything until the other side gets tired of there ways and money . the first to suffer ae the poor then lower niddle class and then middle. it trickels down and will never change. greed is what humans. are all about when has it never been
A while ago I wrote a comment stating that in most cases cops are going to be dealing with people who are not at their best behavior. If the cop over reacts; he/she has failed at doing their job. Here we see people happy! People are dancing, singing and causing no threat to anyone. One time; people are arrested. Next time The Jefferson Memorial is closed down. Behavior has little or no bearing on anything. Just do as you are at all times. Don't think. JUST DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!! HAIL BIG BROTHER!!
Yep, the prosecutor asked for the case to be dismissed. And it was. Perfect example of what happens when you call their bluff and refuse to be submissive, brainwashed or cop a plea. Great job, adam! Hope all the critics like being bitch slapped with reality! Argue all you wan't, but the FACT remains the control freaks lost. Enjoy!
"While it is democratically not permissible for an individual to own any information or publishing medium, all individuals have a natural right to self-expression by any means, even if such means were insane and meant to prove a person’s insanity." - Muammar Gaddafi
this is disrespect in its UTMOST form and it INFURIATES me. it is like shitting on Jeffersons grave and calling it OK because its"public property". IT IS A MEMORIAL! show some respect you PICES OF SHIT!!!
@hotpocketpoison A memorial to a man who helped build make the United States what it is. A FREE fucking nation, you moron. If they are taking away our UNALIENABLE right given to us by the constitution the GOVERNMENT is disrespecting the monument. Noob.
@bitemymiss its a free nation so that gives you the right to disrespect one of our founding fathers memorial and antagonize police all to fuel the biased anti-american propaganda of RT??? WHAT THE FUCK USA ARE YOU FROM??? BECAUSE IT ISNT MINE THATS FOR DAMN SURE!!! YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!
@hotpocketpoison Oh gosh... that's what freedom of expression is about whether you like it or not. Besides they are tax payers just like you and I and therefore have their right do express it. You contradict yourself by stating "it's a free nation" but then assert a BUT line so in essence you do not respect freedom. Analyze the concept of true freedom and whether you're a real American. Last RT has shown more diverse pieces of real issues in our country then all the other media put together.
@hotpocketpoison The swat that were there to intimidate the public are the real enemies of our freedom (along with Neocons) if you still do not have enough inspiration to notice this, God help you.
@kantoriX1 at what point did i insert a"but"into ANY of my comments??? and like i said,its not about"freedom of expression"its about respect,and these people have no respect WHATSOEVER to one of our FOUNDING FATHERS. the least they could have done is danced OUTSIDE the memorial,but i guess that wouldnt"stick it to the man"enough for them,these people arnt americans,a true american would respect our founding fathers,these people are VERMIN! they have NO idea they are fueling RT biased propaganda.
@hotpocketpoison Do you support Ron Paul? If not then you have no concept of respecting the founding fathers who brought us the Constitution. Why don't you sell some lemonade? You'll see what this video is all about however I expect you to still not understand what freedom is all about. You haven't watched RT to know they show more pieces of important issue then the rest. You want respect for a statue? his grave is at Monticello in Virginia pay your respect there.
@kantoriX1 actually, i DO support Ron Paul, but that doesnt mean that im going to be proud of what our country has become(a bunch of ignorant people who cant keep their"opinions"to themselves where they really belong)and a memorial is the physical embodiment of the person it is representing, it should be a place of respect, you dont see people dancing on his grave do you? and what is this even proving? personally i thing most of these people are payed actors, it would explain their"enthusiasm".
@hotpocketpoison Then by supporting Dr. Paul you do understand the point of this video. It's common sense to show respect at peoples grave sight not everybody does it though and once again are entitled to do it except when it imposes onto others by physical harm. Even those who burn the US flag are entitled to their expression including dancing on it in protest as much as I dislike seeing such display. Last, tossing insults in a previous comment isn't good it distracts and demeans your opinion.
@hotpocketpoison This whole thing is not about freedom or respect. It is about definition. It is about the "freedom" to show "respect" in the manner you see fit. Some people might want to come and say a prayer of thanks/rememberence by a statue. Others may want to rejoice by dancing around a statue dressed in off beat clothing. As long as no one is hurt, and no crime is committed; why do cops get involved?? I would NOT be a "dancer"....but I would not be offended or bothered by them either.
@ohannahdad do you honestly think these people are here to express freedom? they are here because they get to be on TV. and i am CERTAIN 90% of them are paid actors,they are WAY to enthusiastic to just be there for the hell of it. this whole dancing thing was provoked by RT to make america seem like a"police state". your account says you live in the US,have you EVER been arrested for no reason? NO! the fact that you can support RTs LIES and anti-american propaganda makes me SICK! RT=propaganda!
@hotpocketpoison It's not who got arrested (actors or not) it's that ANYBODY got arrested for a c"crime" that was dismissed anyway. A guy named Kelly Thomas- beaten into a coma by 6 cops and dies later, woman in Rochester NY, arrested for videotaping an arrest from her own property, arrested, physically assaulted. When friends come to her home in support, cops show up(with tape measures') and ticket cars 12 1/2 or more inches from the curb. All of this says police state; not just one incident.
@ohannahdad so what your saying is that all country on earth are police states? you name a few incidents of police brutality(THAT HAPPEN >EVERYWHERE<)and claim you are correct??? if people were being arrested for their entire lives for the TINIEST little things, or being executed for being out after a curfew then THAT is a police state(marshal law and police state go hand in hand, so if you cant define the US AT ALL as being under marshal law then you CANT claim we are a police state).
@hotpocketpoison I am not speaking for any other "country on earth." I named only a "few" incidents of brutality and you say "that happens everywhere." There are many many more) and they are everywhere. A police state is in effect when citizens have no individual rights. When you do what you are told to do without question or be beaten for not "complying." When cops go door to door confiscating guns illegally, or want to search your car or enter your home without warrent or reason.
@hotpocketpoison You are taking me to "other countries" marshall law , people being executed, curfew times being set etc. I never said we are living in a state of total anarchy or marshall law. I never even said we were living in a police state. What you are describing is the extreme. That is Nazi party & gestapo stuff. That takes place AFTER people have lost all freedom and are resigned to being slaves to the government or to die. We are not there, but we have lost many of our freedoms.
@ohannahdad umm, everyone in my family owns a firearm and we have YET to be invaded by police officers and have our guns confiscated. stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. and last i checked our freedoms are still VERY MUCH INTACT."All of this says police state"that was copied and pasted DIRECTLY from your previous comment so DONT try and lie about what you said,but i think the reason you claimed you didnt when in reality you DID is because i opened your eyes to just how free we are-
@hotpocketpoison ummm Apparently you are unaware of guns being confiscated in New Orleans after Katrina, and Albany N.Y. police working with National Guard confiscating guns door to door You should stop denying stuff that YOU know nothing about. I feel like i am educating you and you don't appreciate all the nice things i am doing 4 you. Just because your blind to it all, or it hasn't happened directly to you it doesn't exist. ummm Wake up and look around!!! You are missing a lot!!
@ohannahdad with all the looting going on in new orleans during the aftermath it would actually make sense to remove firearms from possible looters(plus with the national guard keeping things in order there was no need for guns).and i have once stood near a restauraunt for almost 30mins waiting for my friend and the cops(who were in their car in the parking lot the whole time)never said a word to me, cases of peopel being arrested for loitering for 5mins happens once in a blue moon, same with-
@hotpocketpoison It appears as though you are prepared to "rationalize" any and all situations going on around you. As long as it doesn't rub off on you, everything is fine. When bad incidents occur by the hundred on a daily basis; it's too late to react. There are people & groups all over the country, that are concerned with the current situations. Again I have only scratched the surface on the atrocities taking place. Law enforcement pays large sums in law suits for misconduct every week.
@ohannahdad but THATS MY POINT, bad incidents do NOT occur in the hundreds on a daily basis. the BAD news seems so prevalent because it is the ONLY news you here about thanks to"news"stations such as this one, after all, a police officer doing his job correctly doesnt attract as many viewers now does it??? you are blowing small incidents WAY out of proportion. and you even said police pay large sums for misconduct. if they really were"unlawful"then why pay at all??? and i would like you to list-
@hotpocketpoison When "bad incidents" occur by the hundreds on a daily basis......it's too late to change anything. I don't call it a small incident when 6 cops beat a man into a coma and he dies 5 days later. Incidently this guys father is a former cop. He has his stories to tell. Then you have some bully with a badge that slams a 17 yr old girl to the floor, and beats her up. Later you find out thye same cop has been suspended before for similar incidents.
@ohannahdad if you TRULY want to see what "unfree" looks like, take a trip to china, or cuba, or north korea. THEY are unfree, WE are still VERY free. if we were even slightly a police state then ALL these peop,e would have been arrested,and if you actually WATCHED the video where Kokesh provokes the police you will CLEARLY see they told them NOT to dance yet they did it anyway, HO IS THAT EXPRESSING FREEDOMS??? i see NOTHING in the constitution that says its OK to provoke the police even after-
@hotpocketpoison To say that there are not countries that have less freedom than we do would be down right stupid. I agree with you on that. But to take what we have for granted and not realize that there are forcesw that want our remaining freedoms to be taken from us is a mistake. You are giving me philosophy. I am giving you facts and you say "don't try and lie." That's the answer from someone in denial. You won't see it until it comes crashing down around you.
@ohannahdad they politely asked them not to dance, again if it was a police state they would have been arrested just for SAYING they were going to do it even if they were just joking. this is BLACKMAIL at its finest, and the morons who believe it(like yourself and everyone else here)will blindly follow a CLEARLY incorrect news channel on EVERY farce they spew out of there asses. LIKE THIS ONE! its dirty journalism NOTHING MORE. hell, id trust FOX more than RT XD >AGAIN< RT=LAME PROPAGANDA!!!
@hotpocketpoison News flash.....Wash. D.C. Announced that driving an unregistered vehicle (if arrested) will cost up to $1000.00 + time in jail. Of course it is a violation; but 1k and possible jail time. No death, no physical injury, no property damage, not even a plaintiff. Cops shutting down a 9yr kids lemonade stand in her driveway. No business license. In N.Y. city you can't sit or stand around for more than 5min without being approached for ID (illegal) or told to move on. Look around you!
@ohannahdad #1 WHY WOULD YOU DRIVE AN UNREGISTERED VEHICLE??? do you even know how many times unregistered vehicles have been used in crimes??? MANY!!!
#2 where id you find that cops shut down a lemonade stand? and even if it is true those cops are called BAD SEEDS, every police force around the world has its fare share of bad seeds but they are NOT all like that.
#3 when planning a robbery of some kind criminals will stake out their target area, its for our own safety. and 5mins? try 20.
@hotpocketpoison No one would drive a vehicle with an expired regristration(tag) on purpose. It's an oversight. It happened to me but I caght it before I got stopped. Usually cars used in crimes are stolen from places they might not be missed from for a while. Lemonade stand was shut down in Midway Ga. (that's one) NYC cops are moving people in 5 min not 20. Also accusing people with video cameras of having bombs in their hands and backpacks to stop the taping. Do some research. It's all there.
@ohannahdad kids lemonade stands getting shut down. you cant possibly sit their and claim that police are cracking down on lemonade stands and shutting them down on sight all over the country can you??? its ASININE. these things that you are mentioning are ONCE IN A BLUE MOON cases, they happen because those particular police officers are the"bad seeds"i talked about earlier. just because it happens once does NOT mean you can use it in an argument to ANY effect. it seems like raw desperation.-
@hotpocketpoison Police are cracking down on yard sales, highway fruit stands, painters that sidewalk sell, peaceful demonstrations, food clubs that grow organic food , and make their own cheese etc. (FDA) These are private organizations NOT general public. You make it clear that you must be bitten by the creature in order to admit it has teeth. The confiscated weapons (New Orleans) by the way, were never returned to their owners. When owners requested them back they were turned down.
@ohannahdad TWO yard sales that were closed down for no reason, JUST TWO. and if you have to search for more than 5mins you KNOW they RARELY if not EVER happen. i feel like a broken record when i say they happen ONCE IN A BLUE MOON! and if you hate FOX news then WHY watch an even worse channel? i have seen FOX bring people like Jesse Ventura on who CLEARLY are opposed to government actions but i have YET to see RT bring on someone who disagrees with what they say, THEY JUST BRING PAID PUPPETS!!!
@hotpocketpoison You found 2 yard sales that were closed down so that is all there were. I could produce any number of cops behaving in a cruel manner and being suspended with pay, and you would call it justified or isolated incident. You will rationalize all of this till you get caught up in something terrible. (I hope it NEVER happens) You are living in "Truman's World" You are intelligent, don't appear to anger quickly and don't rely on four letter words to make a point. This has been fun!!
@ohannahdad no, i didnt find two i asked YOU to find two(the one in georgia you mentioned MAY be included, now you only need to find one more). you made some valid points in your arguments and it is a relief to find someone who DOESNT argue using curses or other forms of BS. your right, this was entertaining, but i believe it is time to end this argument, i think we have taken up like 4 pages of the comment section :P
@ohannahdad these things would have to be happening hundreds of times EVERY DAY to make our freedoms any less in tact than they are already. its like me claiming all catholics are rapists because of those child molesting priests, but i DONT because that RARELY happens(in fact i believe there are more cases of child molesting priest than ALL the things you listed combined). you think based on what you hear on RT not on what ACTUALLY happens in this country. FOX is even more honest than RT XD
@hotpocketpoison Albany NY was not under evacuation when police and Ntl. Guard combined forcecs for gun confiscation. I assume you are familiar with Posse Comitatus. Here we have seriou violation. But I guess it's OK because you and I were not affected. Trust me when I tell you the number of illegal incidents, rights violations due to corruption FAR outnumber these priest child abuse cases we hear about. Look Keene N.H., kopwatch Dave Ridley.com. BTW I hate Fox News!!....Peace!!
@hotpocketpoison You can defend cops, government, all these bogus laws, law enforcement; you can bad mouth me and try to tell me that I know nothing! It's ok! What I have to say to you is "There is none so blind as he who WILL not see." If you choose to ignore and defend what's happening here until we are as bad off as China & Cuba etc that's your privilege. Anything I have said is documented by far more knowledgeable people and sources than I and I have barely scratched the surface. Peace
@tomanyasses There are times when the "path of least resistance" is the best path to take. This is not the case when giving up freedom and individual rights is at stake. We are all human beings; and have a right to be treated as such. There is a problem nation wide & maybe world wide with law enforcement. Uniforms badges & weapons seem to change too many of these civil servants into dangerous animals with their prey being the very people they have sworn to defend and serve.
@ohannahdad been going on for decades, if not for thousand of years . when will people actually learn that criminal come in all professions and will continue to commit crime into the future. 99% of the lawyers are bad but our media refuse to discuss this .
@tomanyasses Lawyers have been called a "necessary evil" Unfortunately this evil is necessary in many cases, to fight other existing evils. The judicial system has evolved into such a complicated state, that the average person cannot defend him/herself in a court of law without a lawyer. Even with a lawyer, you don't usually win in court, The hiring of a lawyer, in most cases, just cuts back a bit on how bad you lose.
@hotpocketpoison A 71year old woman tased at a traffic stop, a 17yr old spec. ed. kid slammed against school wall and beaten in the hall.....the list goes on & on and they are all on tape. Cops hate being taped yet they tape us all the time. Cops are our public servants. We pay their salaries. Yes I was arrested for no reason. A seat belt violation and I walked! A law is for EVERYBODY or it's profiling! Cops, busses, mail truck delivery men, most school busses and more do not wear seat belts.
@kantoriX1 the SWAT are established to do things that police cant do(hostage rescue,and other highly dangerous actions), please moron, dont even get me started on this whole bullshit"SWAT is evil"thing, they protect us more than the police do(by scaring as many criminals as possible into not committing crimes)
whattheflimflam this is an act of protest because the polce arrested 4 guys for dancing. This police state and the use of military tactics on our citizens must stop. We no longer have a 4th admendment because we let our country take it away from us in the name of terrorism and The Drug War.. There is one way to make sure that America takes it's liberty back and stands once again for the constitution and that is voting for Ron Paul. Don't let the government scare you into giving up your rights!
This is so stupid. Why the hell do you need to dance at a memorial site? Isn't that what clubs and parties are for? These people have way too much time on their hands, or something. Quit leeching off your parents and get into the real world.
@whattheflimflam It's illegal to dance at a memorial. They're protesting absurd laws and the growing police state. It's gotten to the point where police can arrest you for nearly anything, because who the fuck even knows what's legal anymore? You're the one that's stupid. I recommend you quit being a useless dipshit and research what's going on before you fire off your ignorant opinion.
good job fellows all the way from mexico!!! just dont discredit your movement by acting silly or weird. would have been better to take it a little more seriously. but then again more powwer to you. pluribus unam
This is wonderful to see! One week alot of cops violently arrest a few dancers, the next week a few cops have to watch alot of dancers unafriad of their retaliation. This scene says so much about the power of the people. Great job!!!
It says more about the mentality of the average person (that of a child) and how they'll act whenever they don't get what they want or don't appreciate what they're told.
@RisingPhoenix120 That's just it! They are grown up and they don't need some zombie meat heads in costumes telling them how to behave. Maybe you can't govern yourself or think on your own, but most citizens do not see their self as second class. Have a happy submissive life! One Word: coward.
If you don't want to be told what and what not to do, go to Somalia and tell me how that works out. Until then, you'll live in a country where there are established laws to make sure people stay in check. You all make it sound as if it's the end of the world. The court said that they'd rather people remain respectful and reflective at the monument, and not dance around which can make a distracting atmosphere. If you can't understand that, then you're a fool.
@RisingPhoenix120 WOW!U are ass backwards. If i wanted to every my thought to be regulated by someone else I would move somewhere like Somalia. See here in this country most of us know that freedom of speech is not to be regulated per the Constitution (the law of the land)! When you say " established laws" you are actualy speeking of statutes and codes, which are usually made by people who are short sighted like yourself to circumvent the Constitution. "Stay in check" that shows u r a dik face
@RisingPhoenix120 Yes, the Constitution can be amended and should be in some circumstances. What you fail to see or chose not to, is that the constitution was created to protect liberty and freedoms. So if it needs to be ameneded to give people more of those two things, fine! But you would like to pervert it to the point it doesn't exist or protect the people as it was born to do. I have know idea as to why you hate personal freedom,or maybe your just a control freak? The USA is the Constitution
Some statements in the Constitution allow "ultimate freedom", i.e. the statements that say we have freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. Sure, it sounds good on the surface. But when people start shouting "fire" in a crowded place, or verbally harass other people, yes, that is freedom of speech. And yes, it is bad for society. Thus we pass additional laws and rulings to LIMIT the nonsense that occurs. That is what they're achieving here.
I don't hate personal freedom, but I certainly think that people push it too far sometimes. Ultimate personal freedom would allow me to walk naked wherever I wished, but we have public indecency laws that outlaw that. What people don't understand is moderation. Too much of anything can be bad, but in moderation, things are fine. Maintain a respectful air at the national monuments and don't detract from the reflective nature. It's not difficult. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
@RisingPhoenix120 Why oh why do people have to say things like" you cant yell fire in a theatre" or walk around naked in public? Come on is that moderate thinking? These guys danced to push back on uber intrusive regulation. Not at the Jefferson memorial per say, but everywhere. If you were objective in your thought you would see that the scales or not balanced. There very few things you can do or have without some sort of o.k from a complete stranger. Give people some credit. They can manage!
"Why oh why do people have to say things like" you cant yell fire in a theatre" or walk around naked in public?"
This is the entire point. A line needs to be drawn somewhere. Nowadays people love to test the limits of any law and regulations and find ways around it. You have to draw the line somewhere. So drawing the line at "don't do things that will draw attention to you at a national monument" is one simple way of handling that.
Unfortunately people DO need to be babied nowadays and told what NOT to do. Look at the people who have sued fast food companies when they ate too much, became obese and had health problems. Look at the woman who put her Winnebago on cruise control and then left the steering wheel and SUED after it ran off-road and crashed because it never said she shouldn't do that. Nowadays you can't take it for granted that people know what NOT to do. So you draw the line somewhere
@RisingPhoenix120 If someone is irresponsible and want to go to court for damages or get taken to court for damages let them. Thats what the courts are for and the courts along with jurors will decide right or wrong. You want immediate heavy handed action as soon as someone stubs a toe. That is trying to go around our justice system. I would argue that the reason some people dont know how to think is becuase people like you have told them they cant and that every thing will be thought out 4 them
I would argue that the reason some people don't know how to think is b/c a lot of people just aren't that smart to start with. Stringent rules are unfortunately necessary, as I've already shown, when people can't use logic on their own. And if we can sue for libel, slander and defamation of character and win, then that too is against the Constitution, because freedom of speech then becomes limited.
And if we allow gun restrictions, such as to prevent mentally unstable and dangerous people from easily driving to the local store and picking up guns, then that too is against the Constitution. It all boils down to whether you want to live by the Constitution and be shot by the local nutjob who bought guns at your local gunstore, or whether you with wish to live by the Constitution with sensible restrictions added on, which limits freedom, but creates a logical middle ground
@RisingPhoenix120 Who's to judge who is smart and who isn't? People are smart in alot of different ways.Actualy if someone is found guilty of defamation,slander, or libel it means they intentionaly damaged someone with speech that was untrue.Thats the end result! You don't try to limt there speech on the pretence that defamation may happen. Their speech may not end up being untrue. You seem to be apart of this trend that wants proactive laws,meaning making someone a criminal before the fact.
If someone is found guilty of slander or libel, they are being found guilty from simply having used their "freedom of speech". You have limited their capacity to speak freely on account of being prosecuted.
And yes, you do limit things (i.e. freedoms) to prevent negative effects. This is done with guns, to prevent potentially dangerous people from easily acquiring guns. You don't let shootings just happen.
Same with protest permits. You make it a safe and orderly event.
@RisingPhoenix120 Their speech is not limited, thier lying to defame someone is! I agree protest permits do limit freedom of speech. Most times permits or free speech zones are limited or away from the actual target wich renders them useless. Gun laws are a joke! there are how many gun laws and yet people want more, which proves if ten do not work a thousand won't either. Laws only limit upright citizens,criminals could care less. They can rob you with a rock are you going to outlaw rocks?
"Their speech is not limited, thier lying to defame someone is!"
Nonetheless, that's freedom of speech, lie or not. (Check out Westboro Baptist Church and how the harass people at funerals, whether they're telling the truth or not".
"if ten do not work a thousand won't either. "
That's incorrect. Nothing in uniform. You cannot expect to have one all-encompassing law with the millions of variations and circumstances we have today.
And robbing people with rocks is beside the point, because rocks are not generally used and are generally not dangerous. You seek to restriction the DANGEROUS things, hence the ban of guns and knives in many places.
@RisingPhoenix120 Rocks are used in the middle east all the time against police with guns. Turn on the news!The reason is becuase those people dont have access. If you look at every civil society that has been suppressed by big, authoritative goverments the common denominator is to restrict their speech, religion, expression, private property, and possesion of weapons. Simple facts.You may say we aren't there yet but you can't say we are not on our way. Your pushing one way these people another.
Sure, rocks are used in the Middle East, but the very nature of guns and knives is that of weapons. Thus you limit the things that are designed to be hurtful (just like how we're putting restrictions on car pollution, yet see enormous amounts of similar gases go into the sky from volcanoes and animals.
Big civil societies need structure and regulation. Lack of regulation works in small societies, but no large society can exist without basic limiting factors.
@RisingPhoenix120 Do you truly believe that if every citizen gave up their arms today that the police and goverment would also? No! Their excuse would be that they needed to protect themselves. Their lives are no more precious than ours. For every one pistol, rifle, and machine gun civilians have police and other gov. organizations have a thousand(plus bombs) and they use them on innocent people every day. A job title doesn't make a person righteous, yet the debate is always aimed at the public.
In their defense, they're more commonly the specific targets of attacks than the average person. So while the average person might be okay, it's still the people in power who are personally more at risk.
However, I'm not saying we should get rid of guns. You simply claimed that civil societies are restricted, and I gave reason why civil societies (of the magnitude that we have today) should be restricted (the reason being that they're simply too large to be unregulated).
@RisingPhoenix120 Hmm, lets see how that arguement holds up too...lets say history! Goverments are in fact the the ones who get too big and end up collasping in on themselves. It happens every single time. Oppressed people always end up revolting on oppresive authorities. Proof of that is what you are seeing across the seas and right here at home with third parties. So what you fail to see that for every regulation that you hopelessly assume will keep you save will end up working against you.
People will desire some sort of regulation because it's obvious that without any then society will completely lose its structure. Sure, dictators and tyrants come to power and you may not like their ruling, but that's not to say all regulation is bad. The government provides structure for many things, such as public education, police, fire fighters, transportation. Government is management.
Let's see how your argument holds up - show me a thriving nation without regulation.
@RisingPhoenix120 Out of all these post i have come to the conclusion that you really dont understand moderation. I and most libertarians do not want anarchy.There is a big difference. We want limited goverment, which we do not have.The constitution was meant to restrict goverment, period. It is not to be munipulated to release goverment. You want robots in society. People who just fall in line. The west was founded w/o a cop on every corner, and those people did fine with little U.S protection.
The United States was founded without a cop on every corner, but also with slaves in every field and with women without the right to vote. "That's the way it used to be" is not a good argument. Our society nowadays is vastly changed, with easy access to nearly anything or any place. The mentality of people themselves is also greatly different, and this is what causes the need for extra regulation.
@RisingPhoenix120 Exactly! Who do you think has more of the mentality that would enslave someone or deny rights to somone, a authoritarian or a libertarian? I say less regulation, you say more. You have said things like" people aren't smart enough", "people need to be put in check", "goverment is managment" and " people need to be babbied". That is in no way shape or form moderate thinking.Those statements paint you in a very arrogant light. I and others don't cosign to that way of thought.
You want less regulation on a society that is known to bend the rules however possible and to seek loopholes. And your logic is that. And yes, when people can't even name the President or vice Pres., or add or subtract or multiply, I do consider them "not smart enough." And when you have children who are increasing undisciplined nowadays from their parents, I do think they should be put in check. And what is government but management and structure? That IS the purpose/meaning.
@RisingPhoenix120 Again you try to use slavery in convo about freedom. Don't think i didn't notice how you dodged the answer about who would be more apt. to be a slave owner or deny women voting rights, me or U ? I guess you just refuse to see your on the wrong side of that. But don't for a minute try to flip that disgusting lable on me. Every one can see by our post that i am for liberty for everyone and you are not. Oh by the way hows the E.U/ greece doing? Look around your the one uniformed.
Such a simple question hardly garners a response when it's obvious. You apparently agree that we do need restrictions and that absolute liberty is not a good idea. As far as I can tell, there is still liberty. But the simple fact of the matter is, these people did not get a permit to protest. Yes, they can still protest. Inside this monument? Probably not, but outside of it likely. I appreciate liberty, but I am sensible enough to realize restrictions should be there, too.
@RisingPhoenix120 Your right it is obvious! Slaves were thought to be ignorant and less than human,women were thought to be the same by people who share your view that people who judge themselves intellectual can decide what is best for the lesser people. Not once have you in your so called moderate talk mentioned that goverment needs to be regulated. These people were at first dancing in place quitley. That is expression not harming anyone. The actual harm came from law enforcement. Sensible?
They may have been dancing quietly, but they were dancing to protest - and without a permit. The courts felt that activities such as this should not be done as they distract and take away from commemoration of the memorial. Many things that are outlawed don't hurt anyone. However, when notified that they shouldn't be doing that, they continued and did it more to spite the cops. When arrested, they resisted, and resisting arrest means you'll be forcefully arrested.
@44truefalse slaves, you use so much real informtion, not, all races have been slaves ,the negro was the dumbest of all and they were very very ignorant people and some still are . there are differencs in race intellgence but idiots refuse to reconize it. amazing ,like if you ignore it, it will go away.
@joi12345678 Oh I see. I normally would have caught on to that, but I've met people that actually carry very similar views. Unfortunately, there are more people with that outlook than some might think. I apologize for being rude.
@tomanyasses Yes they were. They were slaves for Egyptians. If you checked your history book every once in a while you'd know that. Nice try in trying to prove me wrong by merely saying so. Dummy.
And again, you must strike a balance between liberty and restriction. Too much of either is a bad thing. And to say "The Constitution says...." or "Back in the old days..." is ridiculous because our times have greatly changed. And don't pull in Greece or any other European countries to the topic.
As you said: "That statement [...] has nothing to do with anything we are talking about! stay focused, your reaching to far."
PS: Just because someone is in favor of some restrictions does not mean they are in favor of nothing BUT restrictions. I've already said, moderation is key. But if it makes you feel better that you think I'm against liberty (which I'm not - I'm just against absolutely liberty based no sheer logic), or if you think I'm apt to be a slave owner, then go ahead. Enjoy your bogus claims and failure to see that a middle ground is logical.
When you have all those people that can't think for themselves (the reason not being because laws tell them what to do, but because our technology provides that much convenience), something has to provide some logic and foundation for them. When people try to get away with stuff because "it didn't say I couldn't do that" (which you hear all the time), that's simply not using binary logic and not common sense. It doesn't matter if you don't believe it. The proof is there.
i wish i was there . LOL awesome time looks like! :)
ryanscottweise 3 days ago
rent a cop "keep the line mov'n"
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"The Jefferson Memorial is not a Go Go Bar to dance you Bitches!"
and to the all mother fucking protesters "you are the people who destroy the freedom and rights"
"you are the one setting all this up and leaving United States as bad country"
"its shame for you to say that your an American citizen" learn to respect The Memorial and The Country.
God Bless America!
TheSuperComments 2 weeks ago
I wish they weren't acting so much like pushovers. ............
Vottaro 1 month ago
I loved the video but sorry i seriously lold at the fat guy at 2:22 going "yeahhh"
pheonex 1 month ago
LETS JUST ALL MOVE TO CANADA
CanadianDipper18 1 month ago
@CanadianDipper18 LOLOLOLOL hate to break it to ya but things are no different here . In fact theyre moving closer and closer to what the US looks like . Slowly but surely . In fact we recently had a bill in the Canadian Parliament that, if passed, wouldve allowed the Government to basically spy on you when you're using the internet . Wouldve gutted the Right to Privacy . Thankfully I hear it didn't pass but this is, in fact, the second time they tried to get it passed .
ryanscottweise 3 days ago
@CanadianDipper18 It will no doubt come around a third time or perhaps something much worse will come along . But yea long story short we're just as fucked as the Americans . :/. Especially when we have an idiot like Stephen Harper as our Prime Minister .
ryanscottweise 3 days ago
So, I remember being call caught up in this when it first aired. Now, as it is apparent just how biased RT is, and how corrupt they are as well, this whole thing was definitely staged. Would this have been news if nothing happened? It was a obvious instigation attempt.
Regardless of how many dancers are inolved in the corruption, the fact is the members law enforcement were in as well. You CANT BODY SLAM SOMEONE ON STONE FLOOR , without them fighting, and not expect to break their head open.
dtp5150 1 month ago
Independent democracy just failed one more time. :)
SAMFICOM 1 month ago
i love it
alderete74 1 month ago
This isin't proving Shit. These people are stupid ass holes.
Bruce1949919 1 month ago
@Bruce1949919 It does prove something because this is the second video we have seen in the same place. The police slammed their bodies to the ground when they have already raised their hands for handcuffing in the first video because they were accused of dancing in the wrong place.
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When RT gets involved the movement is dirtied.
Bruce1949919 1 month ago
it happened to be that i was writing comments like "freedom for [...]" (like Iraq, Korea or Egypt)
should I now write "freedom for America"?! freedom for the country that used to be a sign of freedom for the others?
that's really sad...
people! REFUSE! RESIST! against stupidity and law authorities abusing their privileges and treating other people like shit! those who should serve and make us feel safe should not act like that... this is sad...
wiadran 2 months ago
Independent thinking and standing up for our rights makes the govenment very nervous; it doesn't matter what country it is.
TragicIndeed 2 months ago 10
@TragicIndeed ..this pieces of shit are agents provocateurs...they want to incite civil unrest as an excuse for martial law...how do i know? NORMAL PEOPLE SELDOM DANCE WITHOUT MUSIC ...those 'dancers' are undercover cops, agent provocateurs, trying to give the excuse for martial law.....in "part 2" (also available on youtube) they did bring some miserable "music" but i can assure you that this is sort of "music" that only cops and nuns could dance to...i seek pole shift survival group...
sexypoetry 1 day ago
Oh yeah.. jefferson wasn't a saint so why cant we dance on his memorial?
Hi had hundreds of slaves and was in favor of having them... He wasn't a good president, he did nothing for american people and he did nothing for the human beeings, just another president with some iimportant agreements with the people of great britain, but what more? NOTHING
the3nd12 2 months ago
@the3nd12 Yeah I'm sure he didn't write the constitution or anything, we just have a monument for him for no reason. People who think that these people are stupid for dancing obviously didn't see the video where the same people were dancing here and got arrested and thrown to the ground, which is the whole point of why they're doing this.
GangstaSmokes 2 months ago
this would actually be pretty cool...if it were in China.
haldenzguard 2 months ago 6
@haldenzguard What did China do to make you say that? The police in China would never throw those people down to the ground when they were already raising their hands for handcuffing. Did you see the previous video on how American police treated the same people in the same place?
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lmao us americans are so retarded
myaclick 2 months ago
200 cops Disliked = 200 cops are bastards
bboymishu 2 months ago
EASY TO WIN OVER THE POLICE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. WHEN PREPARING TO PROTEST OR TAKE A STAND, MAKE SURE YOU BRING PLENTLY OF HOT COFFEE AND DUNKIN DONUTS FOR THE COPS. LOL ALL TYPES OF DONUTS. PLEASE REMEMBER THIS AND YOU'LL BE FINE
MrBronxpacino 2 months ago
I LOVE Flashmobs, but this was lame!
BauTreffTeam 2 months ago
Look at all these knumbskull comments (e.g. lacholitarubia). Pretty soon demonstrators like these may end up in a military prison like at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But commentors like lacholitarubia don't think about about stuff like this until it's too late.
dillucinate 2 months ago
this was lame. no music...
meelOOkintoo 2 months ago
no, dance all you want, but don't mock Thomas Jefferson by dancing at his memorial.
lacholitarubia 2 months ago
Don't threaten to "take down the government" at TJ's memorial. He's rolling over in his grave at this stupidity!
Do something more valueable with your time and your life!
lacholitarubia 2 months ago
I understand the desire to express freedom of speech, but the memorial to Thomas Jefferson is a solemn place to remember the man who wrote the declaration of independence and the political framework of our country.
lacholitarubia 2 months ago
this is stupid , dance better
SuperDanksta 2 months ago
3:30
-HEY!!! there's no singing in the north pole
-Yes there is!
-No there's Not!
-We sing all the time!
-No there's not
-Especially when we make toys
Like if you understand what im saying lol
Garkleck 2 months ago
hey look charles mansons there
bananasrule15 2 months ago
"Let this be a lesson! We can stand up to the government!" Freaking awesome to see this FINALLY happening in America. We've become so caught in left vs right that we forgot to focus on the issues and how our freedoms are being eliminated by both sides of the political spectrum. I wish I could have participated in this.
chwparker 2 months ago
@chwparker ya and blabbing will not solve much of anything until the other side gets tired of there ways and money . the first to suffer ae the poor then lower niddle class and then middle. it trickels down and will never change. greed is what humans. are all about when has it never been
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joi12345678 2 months ago
Break the laws how? By dancing in the Jefferson memorial? You're all a bunch of fucking retards
RCR3395 3 months ago
@RCR3395 Yeah. A women got arrested at an earlier date for dancing at the Memorial.
So they protested for that womens rights.
And they actually got arrested later in the day for dancing if you looked at a later video.
YOUR a fucking retarted.
joi12345678 2 months ago
A while ago I wrote a comment stating that in most cases cops are going to be dealing with people who are not at their best behavior. If the cop over reacts; he/she has failed at doing their job. Here we see people happy! People are dancing, singing and causing no threat to anyone. One time; people are arrested. Next time The Jefferson Memorial is closed down. Behavior has little or no bearing on anything. Just do as you are at all times. Don't think. JUST DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!! HAIL BIG BROTHER!!
ohannahdad 4 months ago
when excuses are used to take away your freedom, that give them the right to take away all freedoms
tomanyasses 4 months ago
they look like a bunch of hippies asking to be arrested.
chingon711 4 months ago
@chingon711 but you sound like a dumb shit asking to have your face slaped silly
tomanyasses 4 months ago
Cops did the right thing.
chingon711 4 months ago
@chingon711 wrong but the world is full of shit heads like you
tomanyasses 4 months ago
Yep, the prosecutor asked for the case to be dismissed. And it was. Perfect example of what happens when you call their bluff and refuse to be submissive, brainwashed or cop a plea. Great job, adam! Hope all the critics like being bitch slapped with reality! Argue all you wan't, but the FACT remains the control freaks lost. Enjoy!
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platinumshadow03 5 months ago
LOLOLOLLLL
Booze129 5 months ago
they brought the fucking s.w.a.t team lol
eazymindz 5 months ago
"While it is democratically not permissible for an individual to own any information or publishing medium, all individuals have a natural right to self-expression by any means, even if such means were insane and meant to prove a person’s insanity." - Muammar Gaddafi
MrPresunto27 5 months ago
you know the black cop wanted to smash (and by smash I mean FUCK) the girl at 00:35. LMAO
bitemymiss 5 months ago
this is disrespect in its UTMOST form and it INFURIATES me. it is like shitting on Jeffersons grave and calling it OK because its"public property". IT IS A MEMORIAL! show some respect you PICES OF SHIT!!!
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison A memorial to a man who helped build make the United States what it is. A FREE fucking nation, you moron. If they are taking away our UNALIENABLE right given to us by the constitution the GOVERNMENT is disrespecting the monument. Noob.
bitemymiss 5 months ago
@bitemymiss its a free nation so that gives you the right to disrespect one of our founding fathers memorial and antagonize police all to fuel the biased anti-american propaganda of RT??? WHAT THE FUCK USA ARE YOU FROM??? BECAUSE IT ISNT MINE THATS FOR DAMN SURE!!! YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison You are an idiot.
bitemymiss 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Oh gosh... that's what freedom of expression is about whether you like it or not. Besides they are tax payers just like you and I and therefore have their right do express it. You contradict yourself by stating "it's a free nation" but then assert a BUT line so in essence you do not respect freedom. Analyze the concept of true freedom and whether you're a real American. Last RT has shown more diverse pieces of real issues in our country then all the other media put together.
kantoriX1 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison The swat that were there to intimidate the public are the real enemies of our freedom (along with Neocons) if you still do not have enough inspiration to notice this, God help you.
kantoriX1 5 months ago
@kantoriX1 at what point did i insert a"but"into ANY of my comments??? and like i said,its not about"freedom of expression"its about respect,and these people have no respect WHATSOEVER to one of our FOUNDING FATHERS. the least they could have done is danced OUTSIDE the memorial,but i guess that wouldnt"stick it to the man"enough for them,these people arnt americans,a true american would respect our founding fathers,these people are VERMIN! they have NO idea they are fueling RT biased propaganda.
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Do you support Ron Paul? If not then you have no concept of respecting the founding fathers who brought us the Constitution. Why don't you sell some lemonade? You'll see what this video is all about however I expect you to still not understand what freedom is all about. You haven't watched RT to know they show more pieces of important issue then the rest. You want respect for a statue? his grave is at Monticello in Virginia pay your respect there.
kantoriX1 5 months ago
@kantoriX1 actually, i DO support Ron Paul, but that doesnt mean that im going to be proud of what our country has become(a bunch of ignorant people who cant keep their"opinions"to themselves where they really belong)and a memorial is the physical embodiment of the person it is representing, it should be a place of respect, you dont see people dancing on his grave do you? and what is this even proving? personally i thing most of these people are payed actors, it would explain their"enthusiasm".
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Then by supporting Dr. Paul you do understand the point of this video. It's common sense to show respect at peoples grave sight not everybody does it though and once again are entitled to do it except when it imposes onto others by physical harm. Even those who burn the US flag are entitled to their expression including dancing on it in protest as much as I dislike seeing such display. Last, tossing insults in a previous comment isn't good it distracts and demeans your opinion.
kantoriX1 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison This whole thing is not about freedom or respect. It is about definition. It is about the "freedom" to show "respect" in the manner you see fit. Some people might want to come and say a prayer of thanks/rememberence by a statue. Others may want to rejoice by dancing around a statue dressed in off beat clothing. As long as no one is hurt, and no crime is committed; why do cops get involved?? I would NOT be a "dancer"....but I would not be offended or bothered by them either.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad do you honestly think these people are here to express freedom? they are here because they get to be on TV. and i am CERTAIN 90% of them are paid actors,they are WAY to enthusiastic to just be there for the hell of it. this whole dancing thing was provoked by RT to make america seem like a"police state". your account says you live in the US,have you EVER been arrested for no reason? NO! the fact that you can support RTs LIES and anti-american propaganda makes me SICK! RT=propaganda!
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison It's not who got arrested (actors or not) it's that ANYBODY got arrested for a c"crime" that was dismissed anyway. A guy named Kelly Thomas- beaten into a coma by 6 cops and dies later, woman in Rochester NY, arrested for videotaping an arrest from her own property, arrested, physically assaulted. When friends come to her home in support, cops show up(with tape measures') and ticket cars 12 1/2 or more inches from the curb. All of this says police state; not just one incident.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad so what your saying is that all country on earth are police states? you name a few incidents of police brutality(THAT HAPPEN >EVERYWHERE<)and claim you are correct??? if people were being arrested for their entire lives for the TINIEST little things, or being executed for being out after a curfew then THAT is a police state(marshal law and police state go hand in hand, so if you cant define the US AT ALL as being under marshal law then you CANT claim we are a police state).
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison I am not speaking for any other "country on earth." I named only a "few" incidents of brutality and you say "that happens everywhere." There are many many more) and they are everywhere. A police state is in effect when citizens have no individual rights. When you do what you are told to do without question or be beaten for not "complying." When cops go door to door confiscating guns illegally, or want to search your car or enter your home without warrent or reason.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison You are taking me to "other countries" marshall law , people being executed, curfew times being set etc. I never said we are living in a state of total anarchy or marshall law. I never even said we were living in a police state. What you are describing is the extreme. That is Nazi party & gestapo stuff. That takes place AFTER people have lost all freedom and are resigned to being slaves to the government or to die. We are not there, but we have lost many of our freedoms.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad umm, everyone in my family owns a firearm and we have YET to be invaded by police officers and have our guns confiscated. stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. and last i checked our freedoms are still VERY MUCH INTACT."All of this says police state"that was copied and pasted DIRECTLY from your previous comment so DONT try and lie about what you said,but i think the reason you claimed you didnt when in reality you DID is because i opened your eyes to just how free we are-
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison ummm Apparently you are unaware of guns being confiscated in New Orleans after Katrina, and Albany N.Y. police working with National Guard confiscating guns door to door You should stop denying stuff that YOU know nothing about. I feel like i am educating you and you don't appreciate all the nice things i am doing 4 you. Just because your blind to it all, or it hasn't happened directly to you it doesn't exist. ummm Wake up and look around!!! You are missing a lot!!
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad with all the looting going on in new orleans during the aftermath it would actually make sense to remove firearms from possible looters(plus with the national guard keeping things in order there was no need for guns).and i have once stood near a restauraunt for almost 30mins waiting for my friend and the cops(who were in their car in the parking lot the whole time)never said a word to me, cases of peopel being arrested for loitering for 5mins happens once in a blue moon, same with-
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison It appears as though you are prepared to "rationalize" any and all situations going on around you. As long as it doesn't rub off on you, everything is fine. When bad incidents occur by the hundred on a daily basis; it's too late to react. There are people & groups all over the country, that are concerned with the current situations. Again I have only scratched the surface on the atrocities taking place. Law enforcement pays large sums in law suits for misconduct every week.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad but THATS MY POINT, bad incidents do NOT occur in the hundreds on a daily basis. the BAD news seems so prevalent because it is the ONLY news you here about thanks to"news"stations such as this one, after all, a police officer doing his job correctly doesnt attract as many viewers now does it??? you are blowing small incidents WAY out of proportion. and you even said police pay large sums for misconduct. if they really were"unlawful"then why pay at all??? and i would like you to list-
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison When "bad incidents" occur by the hundreds on a daily basis......it's too late to change anything. I don't call it a small incident when 6 cops beat a man into a coma and he dies 5 days later. Incidently this guys father is a former cop. He has his stories to tell. Then you have some bully with a badge that slams a 17 yr old girl to the floor, and beats her up. Later you find out thye same cop has been suspended before for similar incidents.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad if you TRULY want to see what "unfree" looks like, take a trip to china, or cuba, or north korea. THEY are unfree, WE are still VERY free. if we were even slightly a police state then ALL these peop,e would have been arrested,and if you actually WATCHED the video where Kokesh provokes the police you will CLEARLY see they told them NOT to dance yet they did it anyway, HO IS THAT EXPRESSING FREEDOMS??? i see NOTHING in the constitution that says its OK to provoke the police even after-
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison To say that there are not countries that have less freedom than we do would be down right stupid. I agree with you on that. But to take what we have for granted and not realize that there are forcesw that want our remaining freedoms to be taken from us is a mistake. You are giving me philosophy. I am giving you facts and you say "don't try and lie." That's the answer from someone in denial. You won't see it until it comes crashing down around you.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad they politely asked them not to dance, again if it was a police state they would have been arrested just for SAYING they were going to do it even if they were just joking. this is BLACKMAIL at its finest, and the morons who believe it(like yourself and everyone else here)will blindly follow a CLEARLY incorrect news channel on EVERY farce they spew out of there asses. LIKE THIS ONE! its dirty journalism NOTHING MORE. hell, id trust FOX more than RT XD >AGAIN< RT=LAME PROPAGANDA!!!
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison News flash.....Wash. D.C. Announced that driving an unregistered vehicle (if arrested) will cost up to $1000.00 + time in jail. Of course it is a violation; but 1k and possible jail time. No death, no physical injury, no property damage, not even a plaintiff. Cops shutting down a 9yr kids lemonade stand in her driveway. No business license. In N.Y. city you can't sit or stand around for more than 5min without being approached for ID (illegal) or told to move on. Look around you!
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad #1 WHY WOULD YOU DRIVE AN UNREGISTERED VEHICLE??? do you even know how many times unregistered vehicles have been used in crimes??? MANY!!!
#2 where id you find that cops shut down a lemonade stand? and even if it is true those cops are called BAD SEEDS, every police force around the world has its fare share of bad seeds but they are NOT all like that.
#3 when planning a robbery of some kind criminals will stake out their target area, its for our own safety. and 5mins? try 20.
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison No one would drive a vehicle with an expired regristration(tag) on purpose. It's an oversight. It happened to me but I caght it before I got stopped. Usually cars used in crimes are stolen from places they might not be missed from for a while. Lemonade stand was shut down in Midway Ga. (that's one) NYC cops are moving people in 5 min not 20. Also accusing people with video cameras of having bombs in their hands and backpacks to stop the taping. Do some research. It's all there.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad kids lemonade stands getting shut down. you cant possibly sit their and claim that police are cracking down on lemonade stands and shutting them down on sight all over the country can you??? its ASININE. these things that you are mentioning are ONCE IN A BLUE MOON cases, they happen because those particular police officers are the"bad seeds"i talked about earlier. just because it happens once does NOT mean you can use it in an argument to ANY effect. it seems like raw desperation.-
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Police are cracking down on yard sales, highway fruit stands, painters that sidewalk sell, peaceful demonstrations, food clubs that grow organic food , and make their own cheese etc. (FDA) These are private organizations NOT general public. You make it clear that you must be bitten by the creature in order to admit it has teeth. The confiscated weapons (New Orleans) by the way, were never returned to their owners. When owners requested them back they were turned down.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad TWO yard sales that were closed down for no reason, JUST TWO. and if you have to search for more than 5mins you KNOW they RARELY if not EVER happen. i feel like a broken record when i say they happen ONCE IN A BLUE MOON! and if you hate FOX news then WHY watch an even worse channel? i have seen FOX bring people like Jesse Ventura on who CLEARLY are opposed to government actions but i have YET to see RT bring on someone who disagrees with what they say, THEY JUST BRING PAID PUPPETS!!!
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison You found 2 yard sales that were closed down so that is all there were. I could produce any number of cops behaving in a cruel manner and being suspended with pay, and you would call it justified or isolated incident. You will rationalize all of this till you get caught up in something terrible. (I hope it NEVER happens) You are living in "Truman's World" You are intelligent, don't appear to anger quickly and don't rely on four letter words to make a point. This has been fun!!
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad no, i didnt find two i asked YOU to find two(the one in georgia you mentioned MAY be included, now you only need to find one more). you made some valid points in your arguments and it is a relief to find someone who DOESNT argue using curses or other forms of BS. your right, this was entertaining, but i believe it is time to end this argument, i think we have taken up like 4 pages of the comment section :P
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@ohannahdad these things would have to be happening hundreds of times EVERY DAY to make our freedoms any less in tact than they are already. its like me claiming all catholics are rapists because of those child molesting priests, but i DONT because that RARELY happens(in fact i believe there are more cases of child molesting priest than ALL the things you listed combined). you think based on what you hear on RT not on what ACTUALLY happens in this country. FOX is even more honest than RT XD
hotpocketpoison 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Albany NY was not under evacuation when police and Ntl. Guard combined forcecs for gun confiscation. I assume you are familiar with Posse Comitatus. Here we have seriou violation. But I guess it's OK because you and I were not affected. Trust me when I tell you the number of illegal incidents, rights violations due to corruption FAR outnumber these priest child abuse cases we hear about. Look Keene N.H., kopwatch Dave Ridley.com. BTW I hate Fox News!!....Peace!!
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison You can defend cops, government, all these bogus laws, law enforcement; you can bad mouth me and try to tell me that I know nothing! It's ok! What I have to say to you is "There is none so blind as he who WILL not see." If you choose to ignore and defend what's happening here until we are as bad off as China & Cuba etc that's your privilege. Anything I have said is documented by far more knowledgeable people and sources than I and I have barely scratched the surface. Peace
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad true but shit heads dont believe this
tomanyasses 4 months ago
@tomanyasses There are times when the "path of least resistance" is the best path to take. This is not the case when giving up freedom and individual rights is at stake. We are all human beings; and have a right to be treated as such. There is a problem nation wide & maybe world wide with law enforcement. Uniforms badges & weapons seem to change too many of these civil servants into dangerous animals with their prey being the very people they have sworn to defend and serve.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@ohannahdad been going on for decades, if not for thousand of years . when will people actually learn that criminal come in all professions and will continue to commit crime into the future. 99% of the lawyers are bad but our media refuse to discuss this .
tomanyasses 4 months ago
@tomanyasses Lawyers have been called a "necessary evil" Unfortunately this evil is necessary in many cases, to fight other existing evils. The judicial system has evolved into such a complicated state, that the average person cannot defend him/herself in a court of law without a lawyer. Even with a lawyer, you don't usually win in court, The hiring of a lawyer, in most cases, just cuts back a bit on how bad you lose.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@hotpocketpoison A 71year old woman tased at a traffic stop, a 17yr old spec. ed. kid slammed against school wall and beaten in the hall.....the list goes on & on and they are all on tape. Cops hate being taped yet they tape us all the time. Cops are our public servants. We pay their salaries. Yes I was arrested for no reason. A seat belt violation and I walked! A law is for EVERYBODY or it's profiling! Cops, busses, mail truck delivery men, most school busses and more do not wear seat belts.
ohannahdad 4 months ago
@kantoriX1 the SWAT are established to do things that police cant do(hostage rescue,and other highly dangerous actions), please moron, dont even get me started on this whole bullshit"SWAT is evil"thing, they protect us more than the police do(by scaring as many criminals as possible into not committing crimes)
hotpocketpoison 5 months ago
@hotpocketpoison Honestly i think Thomas Jefferson would have been proud of this
leatherman665 5 months ago
Dur de dur all us retards at CopBlock support Adam Kokesh
CopBlockDurDeDur 5 months ago
okay fine you have the right to do it but why, I mean at the guy yelling at 2:15 it seems to be getting violent
and WTF IS THE MALL FOR, it was made for protest and what not
balaalalaslk 5 months ago
Freedom to all~! We can do what we want when we want, as long as it's in reason. Dancing is alright people~! It killed no one~! :)
ChiyoDiaho 5 months ago
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shtfuk668 5 months ago
whattheflimflam this is an act of protest because the polce arrested 4 guys for dancing. This police state and the use of military tactics on our citizens must stop. We no longer have a 4th admendment because we let our country take it away from us in the name of terrorism and The Drug War.. There is one way to make sure that America takes it's liberty back and stands once again for the constitution and that is voting for Ron Paul. Don't let the government scare you into giving up your rights!
1977Jadixon 6 months ago
This is so stupid. Why the hell do you need to dance at a memorial site? Isn't that what clubs and parties are for? These people have way too much time on their hands, or something. Quit leeching off your parents and get into the real world.
whattheflimflam 6 months ago
@whattheflimflam It's illegal to dance at a memorial. They're protesting absurd laws and the growing police state. It's gotten to the point where police can arrest you for nearly anything, because who the fuck even knows what's legal anymore? You're the one that's stupid. I recommend you quit being a useless dipshit and research what's going on before you fire off your ignorant opinion.
PoweredByMagnets 5 months ago
this is awesome. thanks adam for taking the stand
aaronandnicole 6 months ago
fucking hippies bunch of fucking retards. I would love to see bank account balances of all those shit heads....
heynow100101 6 months ago
@heynow100101 id like to know what is your credit line ,how many cards you have? are they filled yet? haha sheep
MrFeatherian 5 months ago
good job fellows all the way from mexico!!! just dont discredit your movement by acting silly or weird. would have been better to take it a little more seriously. but then again more powwer to you. pluribus unam
MrMacheteman 6 months ago
hippies is so funny
RDJim 6 months ago
I love me some civil disobedience!!
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xRA1D32x 6 months ago
it makes me feel good to see Amreicans standing for their freedom and saying NO to communism
gargole661 6 months ago
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spenderofthrones 6 months ago
@MrSaraswati3 I will put the pot on.
iamrobertheman 6 months ago
This is wonderful to see! One week alot of cops violently arrest a few dancers, the next week a few cops have to watch alot of dancers unafriad of their retaliation. This scene says so much about the power of the people. Great job!!!
44truefalse 7 months ago
@44truefalse
It says more about the mentality of the average person (that of a child) and how they'll act whenever they don't get what they want or don't appreciate what they're told.
Two words: grow up.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 That's just it! They are grown up and they don't need some zombie meat heads in costumes telling them how to behave. Maybe you can't govern yourself or think on your own, but most citizens do not see their self as second class. Have a happy submissive life! One Word: coward.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
If you don't want to be told what and what not to do, go to Somalia and tell me how that works out. Until then, you'll live in a country where there are established laws to make sure people stay in check. You all make it sound as if it's the end of the world. The court said that they'd rather people remain respectful and reflective at the monument, and not dance around which can make a distracting atmosphere. If you can't understand that, then you're a fool.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 WOW!U are ass backwards. If i wanted to every my thought to be regulated by someone else I would move somewhere like Somalia. See here in this country most of us know that freedom of speech is not to be regulated per the Constitution (the law of the land)! When you say " established laws" you are actualy speeking of statutes and codes, which are usually made by people who are short sighted like yourself to circumvent the Constitution. "Stay in check" that shows u r a dik face
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
Here's a tip: the Constitution can be changed. And yes, it's perfectly legal to this to happen.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Yes, the Constitution can be amended and should be in some circumstances. What you fail to see or chose not to, is that the constitution was created to protect liberty and freedoms. So if it needs to be ameneded to give people more of those two things, fine! But you would like to pervert it to the point it doesn't exist or protect the people as it was born to do. I have know idea as to why you hate personal freedom,or maybe your just a control freak? The USA is the Constitution
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
Some statements in the Constitution allow "ultimate freedom", i.e. the statements that say we have freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. Sure, it sounds good on the surface. But when people start shouting "fire" in a crowded place, or verbally harass other people, yes, that is freedom of speech. And yes, it is bad for society. Thus we pass additional laws and rulings to LIMIT the nonsense that occurs. That is what they're achieving here.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse
I don't hate personal freedom, but I certainly think that people push it too far sometimes. Ultimate personal freedom would allow me to walk naked wherever I wished, but we have public indecency laws that outlaw that. What people don't understand is moderation. Too much of anything can be bad, but in moderation, things are fine. Maintain a respectful air at the national monuments and don't detract from the reflective nature. It's not difficult. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Why oh why do people have to say things like" you cant yell fire in a theatre" or walk around naked in public? Come on is that moderate thinking? These guys danced to push back on uber intrusive regulation. Not at the Jefferson memorial per say, but everywhere. If you were objective in your thought you would see that the scales or not balanced. There very few things you can do or have without some sort of o.k from a complete stranger. Give people some credit. They can manage!
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
"Why oh why do people have to say things like" you cant yell fire in a theatre" or walk around naked in public?"
This is the entire point. A line needs to be drawn somewhere. Nowadays people love to test the limits of any law and regulations and find ways around it. You have to draw the line somewhere. So drawing the line at "don't do things that will draw attention to you at a national monument" is one simple way of handling that.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse
Unfortunately people DO need to be babied nowadays and told what NOT to do. Look at the people who have sued fast food companies when they ate too much, became obese and had health problems. Look at the woman who put her Winnebago on cruise control and then left the steering wheel and SUED after it ran off-road and crashed because it never said she shouldn't do that. Nowadays you can't take it for granted that people know what NOT to do. So you draw the line somewhere
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 If someone is irresponsible and want to go to court for damages or get taken to court for damages let them. Thats what the courts are for and the courts along with jurors will decide right or wrong. You want immediate heavy handed action as soon as someone stubs a toe. That is trying to go around our justice system. I would argue that the reason some people dont know how to think is becuase people like you have told them they cant and that every thing will be thought out 4 them
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
I would argue that the reason some people don't know how to think is b/c a lot of people just aren't that smart to start with. Stringent rules are unfortunately necessary, as I've already shown, when people can't use logic on their own. And if we can sue for libel, slander and defamation of character and win, then that too is against the Constitution, because freedom of speech then becomes limited.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120
And if we allow gun restrictions, such as to prevent mentally unstable and dangerous people from easily driving to the local store and picking up guns, then that too is against the Constitution. It all boils down to whether you want to live by the Constitution and be shot by the local nutjob who bought guns at your local gunstore, or whether you with wish to live by the Constitution with sensible restrictions added on, which limits freedom, but creates a logical middle ground
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Who's to judge who is smart and who isn't? People are smart in alot of different ways.Actualy if someone is found guilty of defamation,slander, or libel it means they intentionaly damaged someone with speech that was untrue.Thats the end result! You don't try to limt there speech on the pretence that defamation may happen. Their speech may not end up being untrue. You seem to be apart of this trend that wants proactive laws,meaning making someone a criminal before the fact.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
If someone is found guilty of slander or libel, they are being found guilty from simply having used their "freedom of speech". You have limited their capacity to speak freely on account of being prosecuted.
And yes, you do limit things (i.e. freedoms) to prevent negative effects. This is done with guns, to prevent potentially dangerous people from easily acquiring guns. You don't let shootings just happen.
Same with protest permits. You make it a safe and orderly event.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Their speech is not limited, thier lying to defame someone is! I agree protest permits do limit freedom of speech. Most times permits or free speech zones are limited or away from the actual target wich renders them useless. Gun laws are a joke! there are how many gun laws and yet people want more, which proves if ten do not work a thousand won't either. Laws only limit upright citizens,criminals could care less. They can rob you with a rock are you going to outlaw rocks?
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
"Their speech is not limited, thier lying to defame someone is!"
Nonetheless, that's freedom of speech, lie or not. (Check out Westboro Baptist Church and how the harass people at funerals, whether they're telling the truth or not".
"if ten do not work a thousand won't either. "
That's incorrect. Nothing in uniform. You cannot expect to have one all-encompassing law with the millions of variations and circumstances we have today.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse
And robbing people with rocks is beside the point, because rocks are not generally used and are generally not dangerous. You seek to restriction the DANGEROUS things, hence the ban of guns and knives in many places.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Rocks are used in the middle east all the time against police with guns. Turn on the news!The reason is becuase those people dont have access. If you look at every civil society that has been suppressed by big, authoritative goverments the common denominator is to restrict their speech, religion, expression, private property, and possesion of weapons. Simple facts.You may say we aren't there yet but you can't say we are not on our way. Your pushing one way these people another.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
Sure, rocks are used in the Middle East, but the very nature of guns and knives is that of weapons. Thus you limit the things that are designed to be hurtful (just like how we're putting restrictions on car pollution, yet see enormous amounts of similar gases go into the sky from volcanoes and animals.
Big civil societies need structure and regulation. Lack of regulation works in small societies, but no large society can exist without basic limiting factors.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Do you truly believe that if every citizen gave up their arms today that the police and goverment would also? No! Their excuse would be that they needed to protect themselves. Their lives are no more precious than ours. For every one pistol, rifle, and machine gun civilians have police and other gov. organizations have a thousand(plus bombs) and they use them on innocent people every day. A job title doesn't make a person righteous, yet the debate is always aimed at the public.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
In their defense, they're more commonly the specific targets of attacks than the average person. So while the average person might be okay, it's still the people in power who are personally more at risk.
However, I'm not saying we should get rid of guns. You simply claimed that civil societies are restricted, and I gave reason why civil societies (of the magnitude that we have today) should be restricted (the reason being that they're simply too large to be unregulated).
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Hmm, lets see how that arguement holds up too...lets say history! Goverments are in fact the the ones who get too big and end up collasping in on themselves. It happens every single time. Oppressed people always end up revolting on oppresive authorities. Proof of that is what you are seeing across the seas and right here at home with third parties. So what you fail to see that for every regulation that you hopelessly assume will keep you save will end up working against you.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
People will desire some sort of regulation because it's obvious that without any then society will completely lose its structure. Sure, dictators and tyrants come to power and you may not like their ruling, but that's not to say all regulation is bad. The government provides structure for many things, such as public education, police, fire fighters, transportation. Government is management.
Let's see how your argument holds up - show me a thriving nation without regulation.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Out of all these post i have come to the conclusion that you really dont understand moderation. I and most libertarians do not want anarchy.There is a big difference. We want limited goverment, which we do not have.The constitution was meant to restrict goverment, period. It is not to be munipulated to release goverment. You want robots in society. People who just fall in line. The west was founded w/o a cop on every corner, and those people did fine with little U.S protection.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
The United States was founded without a cop on every corner, but also with slaves in every field and with women without the right to vote. "That's the way it used to be" is not a good argument. Our society nowadays is vastly changed, with easy access to nearly anything or any place. The mentality of people themselves is also greatly different, and this is what causes the need for extra regulation.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Exactly! Who do you think has more of the mentality that would enslave someone or deny rights to somone, a authoritarian or a libertarian? I say less regulation, you say more. You have said things like" people aren't smart enough", "people need to be put in check", "goverment is managment" and " people need to be babbied". That is in no way shape or form moderate thinking.Those statements paint you in a very arrogant light. I and others don't cosign to that way of thought.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
You want less regulation on a society that is known to bend the rules however possible and to seek loopholes. And your logic is that. And yes, when people can't even name the President or vice Pres., or add or subtract or multiply, I do consider them "not smart enough." And when you have children who are increasing undisciplined nowadays from their parents, I do think they should be put in check. And what is government but management and structure? That IS the purpose/meaning.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Again you try to use slavery in convo about freedom. Don't think i didn't notice how you dodged the answer about who would be more apt. to be a slave owner or deny women voting rights, me or U ? I guess you just refuse to see your on the wrong side of that. But don't for a minute try to flip that disgusting lable on me. Every one can see by our post that i am for liberty for everyone and you are not. Oh by the way hows the E.U/ greece doing? Look around your the one uniformed.
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
Such a simple question hardly garners a response when it's obvious. You apparently agree that we do need restrictions and that absolute liberty is not a good idea. As far as I can tell, there is still liberty. But the simple fact of the matter is, these people did not get a permit to protest. Yes, they can still protest. Inside this monument? Probably not, but outside of it likely. I appreciate liberty, but I am sensible enough to realize restrictions should be there, too.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@RisingPhoenix120 Your right it is obvious! Slaves were thought to be ignorant and less than human,women were thought to be the same by people who share your view that people who judge themselves intellectual can decide what is best for the lesser people. Not once have you in your so called moderate talk mentioned that goverment needs to be regulated. These people were at first dancing in place quitley. That is expression not harming anyone. The actual harm came from law enforcement. Sensible?
44truefalse 6 months ago
@44truefalse
They may have been dancing quietly, but they were dancing to protest - and without a permit. The courts felt that activities such as this should not be done as they distract and take away from commemoration of the memorial. Many things that are outlawed don't hurt anyone. However, when notified that they shouldn't be doing that, they continued and did it more to spite the cops. When arrested, they resisted, and resisting arrest means you'll be forcefully arrested.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse slaves, you use so much real informtion, not, all races have been slaves ,the negro was the dumbest of all and they were very very ignorant people and some still are . there are differencs in race intellgence but idiots refuse to reconize it. amazing ,like if you ignore it, it will go away.
tomanyasses 4 months ago
@tomanyasses If i ignore you will you go away?
44truefalse 4 months ago
@44truefalse if i pray maybe you will go far away even to hell , i hope, and never bother me again
tomanyasses 4 months ago
@tomanyasses I think Whites are the DUMBEST of them all.
Thats why the world is fucked up today.
EVERY PROBLEM THAT ANYONE has in life is because of a white person.
NO ONE can deny that.
They fuck up the government, they fuck up life, they fuck up EVERYTHING!
They add nothing but complication so people can't thrive in life.
The only dumb blacks are the ones that live in a White Country.
And the Africans that aren't ran by Whites....are happy, smart and thriving in life.
Whites are ignorant.
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 I can't imagine any person, regardless of their race, being more ignorant than you.
chwparker 2 months ago
@chwparker Okay..
I wasn't trying to down White's. I was being sarcastic.
I was just stating things that I know that are related to whites that are fucked up.
I was responding to a guy that said "Negros were slaves because they were very very ignorant and still are today"
So I was typing that out of anger.
I don't think any race of people as a whole are stupid and I was just trying to make a point.
I understand that you can't blame stupidity of and individual on the group their associated with.
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 Oh I see. I normally would have caught on to that, but I've met people that actually carry very similar views. Unfortunately, there are more people with that outlook than some might think. I apologize for being rude.
chwparker 2 months ago
@chwparker I understand completely.
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 moral of the story is not to fucking dance in the memorial.
RCR3395 2 months ago
@RCR3395 Really? Why thank you for letting me know that CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
NO ONE would have ever figured that out! =D
joi12345678 2 months ago
@tomanyasses JEWS were the first slaves.
AND YES ALL RACES were Slaves at one point in life.
Your so dumb
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 no they wasnt the first slaves nice try at trying to sound smart
tomanyasses 2 months ago
@tomanyasses Yes they were. They were slaves for Egyptians. If you checked your history book every once in a while you'd know that. Nice try in trying to prove me wrong by merely saying so. Dummy.
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 not the first slaves, there was slaves thousands of year before egypt had one paramid all over the world
tomanyasses 2 months ago
@44truefalse
And again, you must strike a balance between liberty and restriction. Too much of either is a bad thing. And to say "The Constitution says...." or "Back in the old days..." is ridiculous because our times have greatly changed. And don't pull in Greece or any other European countries to the topic.
As you said: "That statement [...] has nothing to do with anything we are talking about! stay focused, your reaching to far."
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse
PS: Just because someone is in favor of some restrictions does not mean they are in favor of nothing BUT restrictions. I've already said, moderation is key. But if it makes you feel better that you think I'm against liberty (which I'm not - I'm just against absolutely liberty based no sheer logic), or if you think I'm apt to be a slave owner, then go ahead. Enjoy your bogus claims and failure to see that a middle ground is logical.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago
@44truefalse
When you have all those people that can't think for themselves (the reason not being because laws tell them what to do, but because our technology provides that much convenience), something has to provide some logic and foundation for them. When people try to get away with stuff because "it didn't say I couldn't do that" (which you hear all the time), that's simply not using binary logic and not common sense. It doesn't matter if you don't believe it. The proof is there.
RisingPhoenix120 6 months ago