Your right about government control. But they do it through the emotional woman. The women want us to "man up" based on thier haphazzard ideologies. When we do this ultimately Things end up in ruin. Look around. Men have to stop falling victim to womens desires inorder to make the toughest decisions and stick by them. Don't get me wrong, I love women, but I love them enough to let them go. And no amount of shaming tactics can change my decision once it's made.
Google: Martha Laura Granados Immigration Prostitute
The VAWA Immigration Loop-hole:
If you are a woman, pretend to be in love with a US citizen / Legal Resident, deceive him to marry you. As soon as you got the marriage certificate dial 211 and falsely accuse him of Domestic Violence and Rape and move to a VAWA shelter.
You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
Google: Martha Laura Granados Immigration Prostitute
The VAWA Immigration Loop-hole:
If you are a woman, pretend to be in love with a US citizen / Legal Resident, deceive him to marry you. As soon as you got the marriage certificate dial 211 and falsely accuse him of Domestic Violence and Rape and move to a VAWA shelter.
You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
... Um, do you realize that the largest men's rights movement are pro-Feminism? You know they've been working together for the past few years. Then there are the anti-feminist men's rights groups that are pro-patriarchy and anti-gender equality. Is that your group?
@factory2590 Pissed off at us feminists for wanting sex equality? Ah, yes, you are a misogynist afterall. You won't take what shit lying down anymore? Women advancing in the world? I'm sorry, does that intimidate you boys?
@WrathoftheGoddess If you were about equality, you would have been pushing for mens reproductive rights while you were pushing for women's. The same pattern throughout your movement puts the lie to THAT bullshit real quick.
Feminism is gynocentric. Period.
You have transgressed BADLY on men, and only your incredible hubris keeps you from seeing it. Tell yourself whatever you like, the rest of the world will judge you how we see fit.
@factory2590 What the hell is mens' reproductive rights? The last time I checked men were not the ones giving birth. I'm not sure what kind of paranoid Schizophrenia you are suffering from, but you seem to be under the impression that us big, bad feminists are ruining your lives with our the-sky-is-falling man-stomping agenda. Pull your head out of your ass and calm down, okay? I'm just a 20 year old psych major, there is no reason for you to be so afraid of me. Or maybe there is. :D
@factory2590 Well, you keep up that fantasy land where feminism is all a big conspiracy against men. You might consider some therapy, you know to help reconcile all that anger you have against women.
@factory2590 You mean with your mudslinging campaign against feminism? Yes, Fox News is also good at convincing people through lies and fear-mongering.
Are you aware that feminism is supported by every academic field in existence currently? Have you never stepped foot in a university?
@factory2590 That's YOUNG lady, man. Good for you. While I will be earning my degree in neuropsychology and continuing on my well-supported path of feminist activism, here you will be, ruminating on your no-research-backed strawman of feminism. Or simply stewing in your own misery for your incredible hatred of women.
@factory2590 It need not require money to be a feminist activist, and feminists do what they do to help and improve our world and the lives of women and girls, as well as men and boys who are harmed by patriarchal expectations of "manliness". I am smug about the fact that I am passionate about something that does not have its premise in misogyny and butthurt.
I don't have any money; that comes from my wonderful parents who were selfless enough to put their daughter through college.
"ruminating on your no-research-backed strawman of feminism."
"Or simply stewing in your own misery for your incredible hatred of women. "
That is what a strawman actually looks like with character assassination to boot. So the way to go for feminists when proven wrong is to deny, deny and deny...try to shame the opponent and deny some more.
It is specially ironic given your nickname "wrathoftheGoddess" ...lol
@WrathoftheGoddess if there is support in early development there is a higher likely hood of students achieving. it's not necessarily the parents but the schools and teachers that have geared towards female standards in education. universities are a product of feminization because females are encouraged to go to school, where males are more encouraged to work. i have never seen a grant or a bursary designed for males. i loath the day when all university courses end with the suffix "psychology"
@factory2590 It's good to see a feminist wanabe coming here talking shit and residing what she was taught to say in her feminist school. All the same lines! Years after years. Many feminists don't even believe in the movement anymore...as Factory had said it is based on hate, as this funny name "WrathoftheGoddess" obviously and shamefully shown. It is so predictable! She is like a little ant sent out to do all she could do with both of her little hands covering her ears.
So I will, first stick to this. I know you're tempted to ignore it, to change subjects, to say it doesn't matter, but just answer the question. How many times have you EVER seen a guy actually get laid using game in your entire lifetime? Actual number?
Not 1 PUA, with all the sexual theory in the world has a higher sexual ratio than a normal social guy. If I have a theory on how to make a faster car, and I claim the competition's theories are wrong, why are my cars no faster?
@AlekNovi I agree this isn't the best forum for deep discussion. And I get where you're coming from, although I've seen a lot of success happen with these things, it's hard to measure how much of this success is simply because he's talking to a lot of women (although, it could be argued that if he's doing that, 'Game' has worked at least a little bit for him).
I have seen woman after woman get captivated by, and bedded by, several PUAs (avg every other way).
@factory2590 "is simply because he's talking to a lot of women"
This is my point. After meeting, hanging out with every guru on the planet (almost) and having had thousands of PUAs in my life for 10 years. This is what you find out at the end.
The only reason a PUA has more sex than ussual is simply the number of women he talks to. Btw, more sex than ussual, is only a bit more. The only men who have tons of easy sex are still wealthy and or famous people. Hasn't changed in 2000 years.
@factory2590 "it could be argued that if he's doing that, 'Game' has worked at least a little bit for him)."
Depends on how you define "worked for him". It gave him a set of fluff-theory, that gave him an excuse to talk to women (fake confidence). What ALWAYS happens at the end is he figures it out, and the mountain of cards falls down.
He's left back at zero, dissapointed he wasted 5-6-7 years mastering fluff, only to realize it had zero value.
...social psychologists have argued decades on, since its hard to objectively measure. There is one measure, one measure only that's easily measurable because its digital. You either have sex, or you don't. Its a sexuality theory isn't it? What's sexuality about ultimately? Sex?
The one thing, the one marker that's best measured in this phenomenon is the actual sex. So, let's keep it simple. I'll answer all your other questions, but I am ignoring them on purpose so we can 90/10
This is why I can't deconstruct all of in this forum, it would take me weeks if we talked in person. So I just want to implant enough doubt in your head, so you just turn on your skepticism. The same smart-guy intelligence you have when skeptical of feminist bullshit claims.
This is why I want to focus on the number one biggie that shows the most and will make you think. You say its a theory on the sexual nature of women... Now, there's a ton of factors here that [cont]
Instead of scattered comments, I'll do this in parts... Read in order
Part 1 (of 4):
Look dude, the reason I am upset, is coz I see guys I respect like you falling for it. I don't give a rat's ass and find it funny when random people fall for it. I feel sympathy, but no more. I can't accept you falling for it.
It took me 10 years to understand why game doesn't explain human nature effectively and why 99% of game theory is just marketing bullshit with a good 1% of truisms.
"You want to get all judgemental, look in the fuckin mirror."
Dude, I LIKE YOU. The reason I am so passionate about showing this to you, is coz I get upset when I see guys whom I respect and appreciate falling for the same trap I fell for. I'm like DUDE, not you, not the smart guy!
The reason I am so passionate about taking this all the way with you, is you don't waste 10 years promoting crap. I used to promote this crap.
@AlekNovi You have to realize, I am not what you would call 'desperate'. I've never been all that concerned about pussy because, frankly, it falls into my lap on a regular basis (quality, on the other hand...).
I don't 'promote' this crap any more than I promote MGTOW crap, Fathers Rights crap, anti-circumcision/pro repro rights/educational opportunity crap...
It's all dialog that needs to be examined. The process of which is called 'progress'.
"What it DOES do is give you a framework to go by, somewhere to start from. It gives a sense of confidence to many, and "
It gives you a framework to keep buying seminars, products, ebooks and the newer cooler technique method. The one method where you will finally "crack the code"... That's the secret, there is no code.
Community just creates frustrated guys who chase pussy for years, not getting above average success ratio, not knowing it never existed outside of marketing.
"makes it obvious women's 'pussy power' is at best a commodity"
You've obviously never been a PUA. Dude, I was one for 10 years, all my hundreds of acquintances or friends are or are ex-puas.
Your paragraph makes me want to pull my hair out, because its the exact opposite. Being a PUA makes you give pussy value it doesn't have. You still don't get this, puas have NOT one % higher success ratio than any random cool guy. Do you get this yet? There is no game, there is no skill. Is 100% marketing
@AlekNovi What I think you might be missing here, is that the analysis of female sexuality is no less valid because of your experiences. No, I'm not a "PUA", I've read and watched only what is available for free, and yes, I agree there's a lot of "Tony Robbins" type guys out there.
I don't hold these guys up as something to emulate, so much as the theories postulated. 'Mystery' would make me wretch to hang out with, and much of the 'techniques' are bullshit...[cont]
@factory2590 [cont] but I think you and I differ on the value of 'Game' primarily because you have an 'insiders' look at the whole thing. Believe me, there's no shortage of jobs that are equally disillusioning.
But the analysis is spot-on. I've seen it work, over and over, with my own eyes. I've employed much of the knowledge myself. And I've heard woman after woman admit that these things work on them.
You seem to think I've had a bit too much Kool Aid, but I'm afraid you're wrong..
I know tons of guys that do this stuff, and they're for the most part weenies that think they're somehow above the fray. The techniques are bullshit, sure. but the underlying analysis of human behaviour has TONS of value.
You may not think this is true, and it might not be, but it's a damn sight more accurate than the crap 'they' try and foist off on men and boys...
""I've seen it work, over and over, with my own eyes.""
You've seen a guy's di-ck entering a woman's vag-ina after he applies game rules a, b and c?
Before we continue. Answer the following question. How many times, have you, in your entire life, ever seen a guy pick up a woman? Actually walk up to a woman, and pick her up?
How, do you know that it worked because he did abc, instead of xyz? If it only works 2% of the time?
@AlekNovi "Actually walk up to a woman, and pick her up?"
I'm not asking how many times you've seen a guy walk up to a woman, use fancy lines and make her giggle. I did that to 5 random women just going walking about my day today. I'm not asking you how many times you've seen a woman give a guy a number.
I can go out right now, and get dozen numbers and impress guys like you easily.
I am asking you, give me a number, how many time have you EVER seen an actual pick up? Approach to lay?
I'm an introvert. I don't talk to too many people, and yet I have more than enough women approach me (yes, even the women the PUA was macking - I have SOME skills). I have also seen with my very own eyes just how many more women I could have if I applied these techniques more.
Problem is, I don't really see all that many women worth the 'effort'.
Assuming I'm some wide-eyed nerd with no experience is a completely wrong tack to take, my friend.
@AlekNovi I think you are making assumptions you have no basis for making...
To answer your question, I've seen it done over and over and over again. I've been that guy a few times, been at the after party more often. It works, a lot - your experiences to the contrary notwithstanding.
Myself? I've been described as a 'natural' PUA. I don't work, and never have, for the affections of women. The value for me came in recognizing the behaviour for what it was, not idealizing.
@AlekNovi I think you are still missing my position on this entirely. I couldn't give a fuck less if PUAs chase pussy like crack addicts, and their methods are no better than anyone else.
The THEORY on human sexual behaviour is what I care about.
And it's pretty damn accurate from what I can tell.
Sure it's all marketing. So are all the other 'self-help' gurus. So what?
and truisms based on male insecurities. There is nothing actually that is a PUA theory on human anything. Do you get this? The only bits in there that do have "some" validity on an objective basis are from SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY, not puas.
The only things "PUAs" add is fluff, marketing, male insecurity inspired perspectives. Please tell me **specifically** what theory on human behaviours do PUAs have?
I do think there is a way to reconcile MGTOW and PUAs... Because all PUAs eventually grow up, and all MGTOW eventually grow up.
The mature point is in between the two. It is possible to be out of the system, and still be attractive to, and attracting women entirely. Its possible to be indifferent to women and still effectivelly "build attraction" in them.
@AlekNovi I think you entirely misunderstand the nature of real PUAs. Yes, guys like Mystery are ridiculous, and yes their relationships with hundreds of hot women tend to be short-lived.
And? So what? That's what they're after.
Mainly, those who object to PUA-type behaviour do so because they don't like what it reveals about women's sexuality. Typically, these people also tend to be unable to 'deal' with said reality, and go back to the Blue Pill.
@factory2590 "Mainly, those who object to PUA-type behaviour do so because they don't like what it reveals about women's sexuality."
I've been involved with the industry for 10 years. Made a ton of money from it. Been involved with every part of it, every school of thought, every method, every way of thinking. If you've heard about it, I've probably mastered and taught it.
I've been to the top of that mountain, and I'm telling you, its made out of cardboard.
@factory2590 "Typically, these people also tend to be unable to 'deal' with said reality, and go back to the Blue Pill."
What I am telling you, is after you swallow it, and spend the three sequels, you find out its not really a blue pill, but an extension of the red pill. The pua-paradigm is an extension of the societal frame "pursue pussy", "work hard to get pussy"... etc... I do not know a single PUA (met every single one), who has any more power with women, than a regular sane guy.
@factory2590 "I think you entirely misunderstand the nature of real PUAs. "
I love being accused of misunderstanding something that I've been a huge part of for all of my adult life, before the said accuser even knew it existed :D
A new marketing ploy for a few years has been the "uncanned pua", where its misleading newbies that just because "we no longer use lines" its now no longer snake oil. Anyone who labels themself a pua, is in the same paradigm. People graduate out of PUA for a reason.
@AlekNovi The problem you describe does not come from Game, or PUA methodology. What you describe is a manifestation of why Game is needed. I have not, and will not, argue that Game is the be-all, end-all. What I do and will argue is that PUAs have the most well-developed understanding of socio-sexual dynamics available to date.
What each person does with this info is up to them.
Yes, I have seen way more than one PUA whose life was utterly consumed with getting laid...
[cont] That is a weakness of the individual. Does Game give you 'power' over women? Absolutely not.
What it DOES do is give you a framework to go by, somewhere to start from. It gives a sense of confidence to many, and makes it obvious women's 'pussy power' is at best a commodity, and at worst (to even a good many 'attractive' women) a desperate attempt at having personal value.
Game can, and should, instill confidence and understanding. It doesn't change personalities.
While you may personally know a lot about PUAs, and they may even all be shallow pussy beggars at heart.. that does not detract one iota from it's worth to society.
Like any tool, in the hands of amateurs, or emotionally needy people, etc... it can be misused, misunderstood, or otherwise botched.
It's merely one in a long list of skills men need to regain.
"Like any tool, in the hands of amateurs, or emotionally needy people, etc... it can be misused, misunderstood, or otherwise botched."
That's the point. There are no PUA who aren't emotionally needy or screwed up. The moment people mature, they no longer use the term PUA or Game. Us ex-puas have all evolved past it. Its sad to see intelligent guys like you missunderstanding it, and recommending it to guys.
@AlekNovi I'm getting awful tired of your condescension, chico. Game has value FAR BEYOND getting laid. Those who cannot see this, are the ones mistaken.
Or do you think that the insight gained into female behaviour is all, 100% bullshit.
And if that's the case, how do you explain all the women who admit this works, and the multitudes who are getting laid?
Sure, they might not be doing it 'because' the guy used a technique. But it's still happening, placebo or no...
@factory2590 "Game has value FAR BEYOND getting laid."
If there was such a thing as game, then yes. That's why I want to focus on the objective part first. Its the side vagueness that gets guys stuck into PUA crap for so long. The other markers of success are so vague, they're hard to measure.
The most measurable thing is actual sex. It either happens or not, there is subjective measurement here. Start here
How many times have you EVER seen anyone get laid wt game, in your entire life, ever?
@factory2590 "It's merely one in a long list of skills men need to regain. "
That is the point. Do you not get it yet? There is no such skill. Its all 10000% marketing. There is no pua skill. It doesn't exist. There is no tool.
Its just random bits of claims "if you do x to woman, it will cause y". In real life? Its completely random. No PUA exceeds a 1 to 50 ratio of approach-to-lay on random women. This is the same as any sane, cool guy.
@factory2590 "What I will argue is that PUAs have the most well-developed understanding of socio-sexual dynamics available to date"
DUDE I MADE TONS OF MONEY by selling this crap to suckers like you. There is no understanding. Its all pseudo-science. They (we) just regurgirate "truisms" while being vague to let you impress yourself. PUA is the art of marketing to nerdy guys that I have "game". It doesn't exist. There is no game.
Any PUA has the same results as any random attempt at mating.
You're the slimeball making money off the insecurities of others, not me. You don't believe this stuff has value, yet you made a mint? Real shining character you got there.
So, show me a more accurate representation of what makes women tick... I'll be patient.
You want to get all judgemental, look in the fuckin mirror.
I don't need to convince everyone, but you're WAY the fuck out of line.
@factory2590 "You're the slimeball making money off the insecurities of others, not me. ".
Actually. When I made money off of it, I was you. I actually believed in despite no evidence. I believed that it works based on false successes, and false evidence.
Notice it says "used to". It was when I finally got that its an endless loop, that I got out of that industry.
Kudos to Factory for demonstrating what one man can do. MRm! is an amazing accomplishment. And it is growing. I am getting good numbers of downloads from it at A Voice for Men and my hopes are that you good men test my bandwidth capabilities by getting your own copies. I hope everyone will download it and make at least a couple of copies. Leave it in waiting areas, frat houses, and especially your local family court.
Thanks a bunch for the magazines. I've been printing them out and handing them to whoever would take one. This is what taking action is all about. I appreciate this greatly. Please don't leave youtube.
I never thought much about PUAs. I'm not against them but I'm not into learning how to pick up women i.e. a pick up artist. Whoremonger ok. But not a pick up artist. LOL. And thanks for the magazine.
Appreciate the update. The magazine's a great idea. That strikes me as funny about the white and conservatism. As if that's an argument! But what if you're conservative and white (like me) does that mean you have no ground to debunk femafascism? If so they'd do better refuting us....the link between feminism and lesbianism (on aggregate not in every individual instance) is ironclad.......good analysis on the links between totalitarian desires and what feminism stands for.
"pick up artist" are a sad lot, they are where feminist get their power, they LIVE life for women and around women. Regadless it don't work, what ever you think of women, by in large they are r not morons, maybe irrational on average but not morons and they see through that shit. They see men a mile away who do that shit, it amusses them. as far as concertavtie, I will say, if younvote lib u r hurting the MRM. With that said, the are welcomed, but chill, quit trying so hard.
I have a lot of the same sentiments about PUAs. They spend their time giving bad dating advice instead of actually seeking the legal reforms that will actually help men. The way I view it is that MRAs want to help men in society and PUAs want to help men in the bedroom. If you ask me, only one of these things is a legitimate issue to form an actual movement over; but, they're welcome to tag along with us, if they want...
@menareangrynow PUAs give men a defense against the most powerful "weapon" women (and by extension, Feminists) use to get their own way.
Having the confidence to feel yourself equal to your wife/GF/FB rather than that "she's out of your league" will allow a man to have a "take it or leave it" attitude.
And everyone in sales knows the winner of ANY negotiation is largely determined by who is most able to walk away from the deal.
"PUAs give men a defense against the most powerful 'weapon' women (and by extension, Feminists) use to get their own way."
Weapon? I don't understand. Are you referring to sex appeal, perhaps? If so, then that's hardly something to be concerned about. We have much bigger fish to fry, and it's arguable if that's even a fish, at all, if you catch my drift.
@factory2590 You've obviously never met any PUAs. I've the best in the world. Guess what. Marketing to guys is the only thing they're good at. Making you think that they have any power with women, is the thing they're good at.
The only thing they're masters at, is getting women to "react" and show emotions, which impresses random onlookers, but at the end of the day, he has no more power and is subject to the same numbers game any random ok-looking dude is.
@AlekNovi A good number of PUAs are indeed snake oil salesmen. The same is true of Environmental Scientists, Mechanics, and Politicians. Does that make the product they sell inherently worthless? Does that mean ALL of them are?
Internalizing the ideas PUAs espouse is key to a lot of positive things, more pussy being only one. More self confidence comes from truly understanding a thing, and being comfortable in that reality.
Throwing out canned pick up lines is not being a PUA.
So far I've read all 4 issues of the magazine and I distributed a few copies out among Starbucks' and Community Colleges. All of them are awesome and they deserve a wide audience.
Even though the MRM is largely an online movement, we need to be looking to transition into real world activism. The manosphere will always have a soft place in my heart, and I'll always be a part of it; but, in the following years we need to start taking a place at public rallies and learning how to operate in the open effectively. If you think you're up for that, then I'd advise you to do the same, and start distributing leaflets and other such tools to gain new membership.
Indeed. Even if only to see some of our brothers face to face instead of the usual manginas, simps, man-haters, and manomasocists that seem to be overrunning our masculine ranks. That would be very invigorating. Whenever I am in public and I hear a young Man stand up for his sex righteously it encourages me to continue to reach out to other young Men around me.
It would be nice to meet a lot of the people in the movement personally, that's for sure. I think you may have a misrepresentatively bleak outlook on the state of the movement when you say, "instead of the usual manginas, simps, man-haters, and manomasocists that seem to be overrunning our masculine ranks." The movement has been growing at quite a pace recently, and most of the new members are nothing of the sort you describe. To be coy and frank, though, what is 'masculinity' to you?
It seems Ive accidentally inserted my foot in mouth here, I did not mean to sound as if I was directing an attack on the new members of the movement as they certainly dont deserve it. Rather I refer to those I meet in public, face to face that make my distributions particularly frustrating. Online the experience is quite different but I run into these road blocks all the time out here, dealing with the willfully ignorant is not easy.
Because they are Men you would expect certain standards that youd think would make a discussion with them a little easier.like our non-conformist nature, our tendency to prefer truth over political corrected-ness. Most of the traits I find admirable in a lot of Men seem to no longer apply the minute you apply a vagina or two to the picture. Masculine ranks was probably the wrong two words to use, Men like us is more like it.
While they are not technically our ranks as MRAs they are still Men and in my experience far too many openly espouse traditional masculinity---that which is most useful to everyone else except Men---as a cure all for the issues we are dealing with, and that other Men should goddamnit man-up and comply. Or worse yet, find a good woman.and all our issues will disappear. This doesnt let me off the hook for my inserted foot so Ill have to bite your bait a bit.
As you probably well know I do not have a standard version of masculinity that I subscribe to or expect others to do so, I cant tell you what masculinity should mean.just thats its design should be left up to Men and on an individual basis. Not the State, and not Women. However, there are a few characteristics I simply cannot tolerate: refusing to investigate the truth about feminism and the war on Men, Boys, and civilization itself.
In light of what Men face today its just pure tomfoolery and its tough to respect Men that behave like this. Too often I run into these in my public space, most of them are older dudes 35+ and others married with children. Perhaps their response is due to the fact that they instinctively know that the system has them by the balls. Talking to them is my attempt to encourage them in seeing the issues intuitively as well.
As I mentioned before, masculine ranks was probably a bad choice of words. Some of these Men used to be my friends, Men I respected. While were here though Ive got some personal issues that I think the more experienced MRAs might be able to help with, please check your inbox later today. And apologies to Factory for gobbling up his comment section, won`t happen again.
McGuyver was a TV character a while back, played by Dean Anderson, if I remember correctly. It's probably a good thing; because, he had a lot of fan girls, because of his looks. ;)
I read your first issue of this magazine, top notch man I thought it was an excellent idea. I couldn't make a decent mra vid on youtube to save my life but I can write with some clarity, I didn't know I could submit my own articles so I will be using that submission resource in the future.
McGuyver was portrayed as one of the most resourceful Men on television, 80s and early 90s I think. Using his intellect in all situations to get himself and friends out of scrapes.
Your right about government control. But they do it through the emotional woman. The women want us to "man up" based on thier haphazzard ideologies. When we do this ultimately Things end up in ruin. Look around. Men have to stop falling victim to womens desires inorder to make the toughest decisions and stick by them. Don't get me wrong, I love women, but I love them enough to let them go. And no amount of shaming tactics can change my decision once it's made.
gmann1695 4 months ago
1. Give Women Voting Rights
2. Give Women Equal Rights
3. Give Women Extra Rights
4. Give Women Extra Protection... from Men
5. Hear only Women and Ignore Men
6. Believe Women only and Treat men as Perpetrators
7. Let Women Falsely Accuse Men without Consequences
8. Encourage Women to be Helpless Victims and to think of All Men as Rapists
9. Encourage False Accusations by Women (VAWA) and Punish Innocent Men
10. ...Watch Women Destroy Men, the Family and Society !!!
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If you are a woman, pretend to be in love with a US citizen / Legal Resident, deceive him to marry you. As soon as you got the marriage certificate dial 211 and falsely accuse him of Domestic Violence and Rape and move to a VAWA shelter.
You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
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You will be on a fast-track for a Green-Card and US citizenship - all expenses paid for by the US tax payer and as a bonus you will be getting full social benefits.
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... Um, do you realize that the largest men's rights movement are pro-Feminism? You know they've been working together for the past few years. Then there are the anti-feminist men's rights groups that are pro-patriarchy and anti-gender equality. Is that your group?
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess You're speaking of The Good Mangina Project and the like? The Mens Studies crowd that declares masculinity evil, and a poison?
Yeah, real mens movement there all right... They can keep to themselves.
The movement I am in is pissed off at you feminists, and won't take this shit lying down anymore.
I get that this may scare you a bit. And that pleases me.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 Pissed off at us feminists for wanting sex equality? Ah, yes, you are a misogynist afterall. You won't take what shit lying down anymore? Women advancing in the world? I'm sorry, does that intimidate you boys?
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess If you were about equality, you would have been pushing for mens reproductive rights while you were pushing for women's. The same pattern throughout your movement puts the lie to THAT bullshit real quick.
Feminism is gynocentric. Period.
You have transgressed BADLY on men, and only your incredible hubris keeps you from seeing it. Tell yourself whatever you like, the rest of the world will judge you how we see fit.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 What the hell is mens' reproductive rights? The last time I checked men were not the ones giving birth. I'm not sure what kind of paranoid Schizophrenia you are suffering from, but you seem to be under the impression that us big, bad feminists are ruining your lives with our the-sky-is-falling man-stomping agenda. Pull your head out of your ass and calm down, okay? I'm just a 20 year old psych major, there is no reason for you to be so afraid of me. Or maybe there is. :D
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess Way to be deliberately obtuse. You know damned well what I'm talking about.
Yes, you DO have a man-stomping agenda. And I aim to fight it as hard as I can. And so do a few other guys.
Feminism is an anti-male hate movement. The fact that you seem to justify it to yourself doesn't change the nature of what you do.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 Well, you keep up that fantasy land where feminism is all a big conspiracy against men. You might consider some therapy, you know to help reconcile all that anger you have against women.
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess ...and we'll see how many others I can convince as well...
So far, it's not looking good for feminism.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 You mean with your mudslinging campaign against feminism? Yes, Fox News is also good at convincing people through lies and fear-mongering.
Are you aware that feminism is supported by every academic field in existence currently? Have you never stepped foot in a university?
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess Whatever lady. The truth will out, and on that day people like you are royally fucked.
That much I can promise you.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 That's YOUNG lady, man. Good for you. While I will be earning my degree in neuropsychology and continuing on my well-supported path of feminist activism, here you will be, ruminating on your no-research-backed strawman of feminism. Or simply stewing in your own misery for your incredible hatred of women.
WrathoftheGoddess 8 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess ...so, "nyah nyah, I got the money, and you don't"?
Pretty much on par with a feminist mindset. But see, I don't do this for money (obviously), I do this to improve the lives of men and boys.
YOU are the one making a living from the suffering of others. And apparently, quite smug about it as well.
factory2590 8 months ago
@factory2590 It need not require money to be a feminist activist, and feminists do what they do to help and improve our world and the lives of women and girls, as well as men and boys who are harmed by patriarchal expectations of "manliness". I am smug about the fact that I am passionate about something that does not have its premise in misogyny and butthurt.
I don't have any money; that comes from my wonderful parents who were selfless enough to put their daughter through college.
WrathoftheGoddess 7 months ago
@WrathoftheGoddess Nice Humblesave(tm).
factory2590 7 months ago
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@WrathoftheGoddess
"ruminating on your no-research-backed strawman of feminism."
"Or simply stewing in your own misery for your incredible hatred of women. "
That is what a strawman actually looks like with character assassination to boot. So the way to go for feminists when proven wrong is to deny, deny and deny...try to shame the opponent and deny some more.
It is specially ironic given your nickname "wrathoftheGoddess" ...lol
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@WrathoftheGoddess if there is support in early development there is a higher likely hood of students achieving. it's not necessarily the parents but the schools and teachers that have geared towards female standards in education. universities are a product of feminization because females are encouraged to go to school, where males are more encouraged to work. i have never seen a grant or a bursary designed for males. i loath the day when all university courses end with the suffix "psychology"
BRYONMU 7 months ago
@factory2590 It's good to see a feminist wanabe coming here talking shit and residing what she was taught to say in her feminist school. All the same lines! Years after years. Many feminists don't even believe in the movement anymore...as Factory had said it is based on hate, as this funny name "WrathoftheGoddess" obviously and shamefully shown. It is so predictable! She is like a little ant sent out to do all she could do with both of her little hands covering her ears.
luckybozo1 7 months ago
I CANT WAIT!! EVERYONE SHOULD HELP PROMOTE ADVERTIZE THIS MAGAZINE IF THEY WANT EQUAL RIGHTS
themaniusedtob 9 months ago
sorry I don't buy that being accused of being white and in a better position to blacks is racist...
angeltears87 1 year ago
@angeltears87 I do.
factory2590 1 year ago
Part 4 (of 4):
So I will, first stick to this. I know you're tempted to ignore it, to change subjects, to say it doesn't matter, but just answer the question. How many times have you EVER seen a guy actually get laid using game in your entire lifetime? Actual number?
Not 1 PUA, with all the sexual theory in the world has a higher sexual ratio than a normal social guy. If I have a theory on how to make a faster car, and I claim the competition's theories are wrong, why are my cars no faster?
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi I agree this isn't the best forum for deep discussion. And I get where you're coming from, although I've seen a lot of success happen with these things, it's hard to measure how much of this success is simply because he's talking to a lot of women (although, it could be argued that if he's doing that, 'Game' has worked at least a little bit for him).
I have seen woman after woman get captivated by, and bedded by, several PUAs (avg every other way).
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 "is simply because he's talking to a lot of women"
This is my point. After meeting, hanging out with every guru on the planet (almost) and having had thousands of PUAs in my life for 10 years. This is what you find out at the end.
The only reason a PUA has more sex than ussual is simply the number of women he talks to. Btw, more sex than ussual, is only a bit more. The only men who have tons of easy sex are still wealthy and or famous people. Hasn't changed in 2000 years.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@factory2590 "it could be argued that if he's doing that, 'Game' has worked at least a little bit for him)."
Depends on how you define "worked for him". It gave him a set of fluff-theory, that gave him an excuse to talk to women (fake confidence). What ALWAYS happens at the end is he figures it out, and the mountain of cards falls down.
He's left back at zero, dissapointed he wasted 5-6-7 years mastering fluff, only to realize it had zero value.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi I did a post over on my blog called 'facets'. This is an interesting discussion, and that's a better forum...
I'm just sayin'....
factory2590 1 year ago
Part 3 (of 4):
...social psychologists have argued decades on, since its hard to objectively measure. There is one measure, one measure only that's easily measurable because its digital. You either have sex, or you don't. Its a sexuality theory isn't it? What's sexuality about ultimately? Sex?
The one thing, the one marker that's best measured in this phenomenon is the actual sex. So, let's keep it simple. I'll answer all your other questions, but I am ignoring them on purpose so we can 90/10
AlekNovi 1 year ago
Part 2 (of 4):
This is why I can't deconstruct all of in this forum, it would take me weeks if we talked in person. So I just want to implant enough doubt in your head, so you just turn on your skepticism. The same smart-guy intelligence you have when skeptical of feminist bullshit claims.
This is why I want to focus on the number one biggie that shows the most and will make you think. You say its a theory on the sexual nature of women... Now, there's a ton of factors here that [cont]
AlekNovi 1 year ago
Instead of scattered comments, I'll do this in parts... Read in order
Part 1 (of 4):
Look dude, the reason I am upset, is coz I see guys I respect like you falling for it. I don't give a rat's ass and find it funny when random people fall for it. I feel sympathy, but no more. I can't accept you falling for it.
It took me 10 years to understand why game doesn't explain human nature effectively and why 99% of game theory is just marketing bullshit with a good 1% of truisms.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
"You want to get all judgemental, look in the fuckin mirror."
Dude, I LIKE YOU. The reason I am so passionate about showing this to you, is coz I get upset when I see guys whom I respect and appreciate falling for the same trap I fell for. I'm like DUDE, not you, not the smart guy!
The reason I am so passionate about taking this all the way with you, is you don't waste 10 years promoting crap. I used to promote this crap.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi You have to realize, I am not what you would call 'desperate'. I've never been all that concerned about pussy because, frankly, it falls into my lap on a regular basis (quality, on the other hand...).
I don't 'promote' this crap any more than I promote MGTOW crap, Fathers Rights crap, anti-circumcision/pro repro rights/educational opportunity crap...
It's all dialog that needs to be examined. The process of which is called 'progress'.
factory2590 1 year ago
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AlekNovi 1 year ago
"What it DOES do is give you a framework to go by, somewhere to start from. It gives a sense of confidence to many, and "
It gives you a framework to keep buying seminars, products, ebooks and the newer cooler technique method. The one method where you will finally "crack the code"... That's the secret, there is no code.
Community just creates frustrated guys who chase pussy for years, not getting above average success ratio, not knowing it never existed outside of marketing.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
"makes it obvious women's 'pussy power' is at best a commodity"
You've obviously never been a PUA. Dude, I was one for 10 years, all my hundreds of acquintances or friends are or are ex-puas.
Your paragraph makes me want to pull my hair out, because its the exact opposite. Being a PUA makes you give pussy value it doesn't have. You still don't get this, puas have NOT one % higher success ratio than any random cool guy. Do you get this yet? There is no game, there is no skill. Is 100% marketing
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi What I think you might be missing here, is that the analysis of female sexuality is no less valid because of your experiences. No, I'm not a "PUA", I've read and watched only what is available for free, and yes, I agree there's a lot of "Tony Robbins" type guys out there.
I don't hold these guys up as something to emulate, so much as the theories postulated. 'Mystery' would make me wretch to hang out with, and much of the 'techniques' are bullshit...[cont]
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 [cont] but I think you and I differ on the value of 'Game' primarily because you have an 'insiders' look at the whole thing. Believe me, there's no shortage of jobs that are equally disillusioning.
But the analysis is spot-on. I've seen it work, over and over, with my own eyes. I've employed much of the knowledge myself. And I've heard woman after woman admit that these things work on them.
You seem to think I've had a bit too much Kool Aid, but I'm afraid you're wrong..
[cont
factory2590 1 year ago
I know tons of guys that do this stuff, and they're for the most part weenies that think they're somehow above the fray. The techniques are bullshit, sure. but the underlying analysis of human behaviour has TONS of value.
You may not think this is true, and it might not be, but it's a damn sight more accurate than the crap 'they' try and foist off on men and boys...
factory2590 1 year ago
""I've seen it work, over and over, with my own eyes.""
You've seen a guy's di-ck entering a woman's vag-ina after he applies game rules a, b and c?
Before we continue. Answer the following question. How many times, have you, in your entire life, ever seen a guy pick up a woman? Actually walk up to a woman, and pick her up?
How, do you know that it worked because he did abc, instead of xyz? If it only works 2% of the time?
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi "Actually walk up to a woman, and pick her up?"
I'm not asking how many times you've seen a guy walk up to a woman, use fancy lines and make her giggle. I did that to 5 random women just going walking about my day today. I'm not asking you how many times you've seen a woman give a guy a number.
I can go out right now, and get dozen numbers and impress guys like you easily.
I am asking you, give me a number, how many time have you EVER seen an actual pick up? Approach to lay?
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi "Guys like me"?
I'm an introvert. I don't talk to too many people, and yet I have more than enough women approach me (yes, even the women the PUA was macking - I have SOME skills). I have also seen with my very own eyes just how many more women I could have if I applied these techniques more.
Problem is, I don't really see all that many women worth the 'effort'.
Assuming I'm some wide-eyed nerd with no experience is a completely wrong tack to take, my friend.
factory2590 1 year ago
@AlekNovi I think you are making assumptions you have no basis for making...
To answer your question, I've seen it done over and over and over again. I've been that guy a few times, been at the after party more often. It works, a lot - your experiences to the contrary notwithstanding.
Myself? I've been described as a 'natural' PUA. I don't work, and never have, for the affections of women. The value for me came in recognizing the behaviour for what it was, not idealizing.
factory2590 1 year ago
@AlekNovi I think you are still missing my position on this entirely. I couldn't give a fuck less if PUAs chase pussy like crack addicts, and their methods are no better than anyone else.
The THEORY on human sexual behaviour is what I care about.
And it's pretty damn accurate from what I can tell.
Sure it's all marketing. So are all the other 'self-help' gurus. So what?
factory2590 1 year ago
(Part 1 of 2)
@factory2590 ""The THEORY on human sexual behaviour is what I care about.""
Ok, so this is step 2, now that you've "kind of" agreed that maybe PUAs get no results better than average, just talk to tons of women.
Question 2: WHAT theory!? How much of it is truisms? How much of it is perception bias? How much of it is vague fluff?
You have to realize there is no PUA theory on human behaviour. Its just regurgirated self help, mixed in with social psychology and ...
AlekNovi 1 year ago
(Part 2 of 2)
and truisms based on male insecurities. There is nothing actually that is a PUA theory on human anything. Do you get this? The only bits in there that do have "some" validity on an objective basis are from SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY, not puas.
The only things "PUAs" add is fluff, marketing, male insecurity inspired perspectives. Please tell me **specifically** what theory on human behaviours do PUAs have?
AlekNovi 1 year ago
I do think there is a way to reconcile MGTOW and PUAs... Because all PUAs eventually grow up, and all MGTOW eventually grow up.
The mature point is in between the two. It is possible to be out of the system, and still be attractive to, and attracting women entirely. Its possible to be indifferent to women and still effectivelly "build attraction" in them.
AlekNovi 1 year ago 8
@AlekNovi I think you entirely misunderstand the nature of real PUAs. Yes, guys like Mystery are ridiculous, and yes their relationships with hundreds of hot women tend to be short-lived.
And? So what? That's what they're after.
Mainly, those who object to PUA-type behaviour do so because they don't like what it reveals about women's sexuality. Typically, these people also tend to be unable to 'deal' with said reality, and go back to the Blue Pill.
But the ideas have been around forever.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 "Mainly, those who object to PUA-type behaviour do so because they don't like what it reveals about women's sexuality."
I've been involved with the industry for 10 years. Made a ton of money from it. Been involved with every part of it, every school of thought, every method, every way of thinking. If you've heard about it, I've probably mastered and taught it.
I've been to the top of that mountain, and I'm telling you, its made out of cardboard.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@factory2590 "Typically, these people also tend to be unable to 'deal' with said reality, and go back to the Blue Pill."
What I am telling you, is after you swallow it, and spend the three sequels, you find out its not really a blue pill, but an extension of the red pill. The pua-paradigm is an extension of the societal frame "pursue pussy", "work hard to get pussy"... etc... I do not know a single PUA (met every single one), who has any more power with women, than a regular sane guy.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@factory2590 "I think you entirely misunderstand the nature of real PUAs. "
I love being accused of misunderstanding something that I've been a huge part of for all of my adult life, before the said accuser even knew it existed :D
A new marketing ploy for a few years has been the "uncanned pua", where its misleading newbies that just because "we no longer use lines" its now no longer snake oil. Anyone who labels themself a pua, is in the same paradigm. People graduate out of PUA for a reason.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi The problem you describe does not come from Game, or PUA methodology. What you describe is a manifestation of why Game is needed. I have not, and will not, argue that Game is the be-all, end-all. What I do and will argue is that PUAs have the most well-developed understanding of socio-sexual dynamics available to date.
What each person does with this info is up to them.
Yes, I have seen way more than one PUA whose life was utterly consumed with getting laid...
[cont]
factory2590 1 year ago
[cont] That is a weakness of the individual. Does Game give you 'power' over women? Absolutely not.
What it DOES do is give you a framework to go by, somewhere to start from. It gives a sense of confidence to many, and makes it obvious women's 'pussy power' is at best a commodity, and at worst (to even a good many 'attractive' women) a desperate attempt at having personal value.
Game can, and should, instill confidence and understanding. It doesn't change personalities.
factory2590 1 year ago
While you may personally know a lot about PUAs, and they may even all be shallow pussy beggars at heart.. that does not detract one iota from it's worth to society.
Like any tool, in the hands of amateurs, or emotionally needy people, etc... it can be misused, misunderstood, or otherwise botched.
It's merely one in a long list of skills men need to regain.
factory2590 1 year ago
"Like any tool, in the hands of amateurs, or emotionally needy people, etc... it can be misused, misunderstood, or otherwise botched."
That's the point. There are no PUA who aren't emotionally needy or screwed up. The moment people mature, they no longer use the term PUA or Game. Us ex-puas have all evolved past it. Its sad to see intelligent guys like you missunderstanding it, and recommending it to guys.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi I'm getting awful tired of your condescension, chico. Game has value FAR BEYOND getting laid. Those who cannot see this, are the ones mistaken.
Or do you think that the insight gained into female behaviour is all, 100% bullshit.
And if that's the case, how do you explain all the women who admit this works, and the multitudes who are getting laid?
Sure, they might not be doing it 'because' the guy used a technique. But it's still happening, placebo or no...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 "Game has value FAR BEYOND getting laid."
If there was such a thing as game, then yes. That's why I want to focus on the objective part first. Its the side vagueness that gets guys stuck into PUA crap for so long. The other markers of success are so vague, they're hard to measure.
The most measurable thing is actual sex. It either happens or not, there is subjective measurement here. Start here
How many times have you EVER seen anyone get laid wt game, in your entire life, ever?
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@factory2590 "It's merely one in a long list of skills men need to regain. "
That is the point. Do you not get it yet? There is no such skill. Its all 10000% marketing. There is no pua skill. It doesn't exist. There is no tool.
Its just random bits of claims "if you do x to woman, it will cause y". In real life? Its completely random. No PUA exceeds a 1 to 50 ratio of approach-to-lay on random women. This is the same as any sane, cool guy.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi Jesus man, there's more to life than Pussy. Look at the THEORIES, the understanding of human nature.
Get your head out of your own crotch long enough to see some value in something that does NOT include getting laid.
This is actual sexual behaviour theory, based on observation...
Or do you not have any idea what 'science' is?
Understanding female sexuality is absolutely CRITICAL, Game theory is the best we got...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 "What I will argue is that PUAs have the most well-developed understanding of socio-sexual dynamics available to date"
DUDE I MADE TONS OF MONEY by selling this crap to suckers like you. There is no understanding. Its all pseudo-science. They (we) just regurgirate "truisms" while being vague to let you impress yourself. PUA is the art of marketing to nerdy guys that I have "game". It doesn't exist. There is no game.
Any PUA has the same results as any random attempt at mating.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi Wow you're a cynic.
Let's put it this way....
You're the slimeball making money off the insecurities of others, not me. You don't believe this stuff has value, yet you made a mint? Real shining character you got there.
So, show me a more accurate representation of what makes women tick... I'll be patient.
You want to get all judgemental, look in the fuckin mirror.
I don't need to convince everyone, but you're WAY the fuck out of line.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 "You're the slimeball making money off the insecurities of others, not me. ".
Actually. When I made money off of it, I was you. I actually believed in despite no evidence. I believed that it works based on false successes, and false evidence.
Notice it says "used to". It was when I finally got that its an endless loop, that I got out of that industry.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
I'm glad to see you doing another video! I'll check it out!
crypter27 1 year ago
Kudos to Factory for demonstrating what one man can do. MRm! is an amazing accomplishment. And it is growing. I am getting good numbers of downloads from it at A Voice for Men and my hopes are that you good men test my bandwidth capabilities by getting your own copies. I hope everyone will download it and make at least a couple of copies. Leave it in waiting areas, frat houses, and especially your local family court.
TheHappyMisogynist 1 year ago
You're doing a great job. Thanks for helping guys struggling with feminist shit feel a bit heartened.
summerlight67 1 year ago
@summerlight67 I feel your pain..
If it helps, there's a magazine, and quite a few websites that might help...
factory2590 1 year ago
Thanks a bunch for the magazines. I've been printing them out and handing them to whoever would take one. This is what taking action is all about. I appreciate this greatly. Please don't leave youtube.
mindround 1 year ago
So good to see this sort of thing finally coming out into the open.
youmaus 1 year ago
I never thought much about PUAs. I'm not against them but I'm not into learning how to pick up women i.e. a pick up artist. Whoremonger ok. But not a pick up artist. LOL. And thanks for the magazine.
cjjaxxon 1 year ago
"MRM! Announcement.wmv"
the .wmv is very amature - remove it!
it doesn't look good in the title
MooseheadDrinker 1 year ago
Appreciate the update. The magazine's a great idea. That strikes me as funny about the white and conservatism. As if that's an argument! But what if you're conservative and white (like me) does that mean you have no ground to debunk femafascism? If so they'd do better refuting us....the link between feminism and lesbianism (on aggregate not in every individual instance) is ironclad.......good analysis on the links between totalitarian desires and what feminism stands for.
pinegrove33 1 year ago
It's great to see you making videos again Factory, even if its just a one-of update discussing the magazine. The magazine is a great work.
johntheother 1 year ago
"pick up artist" are a sad lot, they are where feminist get their power, they LIVE life for women and around women. Regadless it don't work, what ever you think of women, by in large they are r not morons, maybe irrational on average but not morons and they see through that shit. They see men a mile away who do that shit, it amusses them. as far as concertavtie, I will say, if younvote lib u r hurting the MRM. With that said, the are welcomed, but chill, quit trying so hard.
ORVX 1 year ago
@ORVX
I have a lot of the same sentiments about PUAs. They spend their time giving bad dating advice instead of actually seeking the legal reforms that will actually help men. The way I view it is that MRAs want to help men in society and PUAs want to help men in the bedroom. If you ask me, only one of these things is a legitimate issue to form an actual movement over; but, they're welcome to tag along with us, if they want...
menareangrynow 1 year ago 3
@menareangrynow PUAs give men a defense against the most powerful "weapon" women (and by extension, Feminists) use to get their own way.
Having the confidence to feel yourself equal to your wife/GF/FB rather than that "she's out of your league" will allow a man to have a "take it or leave it" attitude.
And everyone in sales knows the winner of ANY negotiation is largely determined by who is most able to walk away from the deal.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590
"PUAs give men a defense against the most powerful 'weapon' women (and by extension, Feminists) use to get their own way."
Weapon? I don't understand. Are you referring to sex appeal, perhaps? If so, then that's hardly something to be concerned about. We have much bigger fish to fry, and it's arguable if that's even a fish, at all, if you catch my drift.
menareangrynow 1 year ago
@factory2590 You've obviously never met any PUAs. I've the best in the world. Guess what. Marketing to guys is the only thing they're good at. Making you think that they have any power with women, is the thing they're good at.
The only thing they're masters at, is getting women to "react" and show emotions, which impresses random onlookers, but at the end of the day, he has no more power and is subject to the same numbers game any random ok-looking dude is.
AlekNovi 1 year ago
@AlekNovi A good number of PUAs are indeed snake oil salesmen. The same is true of Environmental Scientists, Mechanics, and Politicians. Does that make the product they sell inherently worthless? Does that mean ALL of them are?
Internalizing the ideas PUAs espouse is key to a lot of positive things, more pussy being only one. More self confidence comes from truly understanding a thing, and being comfortable in that reality.
Throwing out canned pick up lines is not being a PUA.
factory2590 1 year ago
hey new look!
ORVX 1 year ago
So far I've read all 4 issues of the magazine and I distributed a few copies out among Starbucks' and Community Colleges. All of them are awesome and they deserve a wide audience.
menareangrynow 1 year ago 3
@menareangrynow That's great! Exactly what I hope everyone does..
It's tough for me to guage whether or not it's worth all the effort. So it's nice to hear.
Thanks for your support.
factory2590 1 year ago 2
@factory2590
You don't need to thank me. It's me who should be thanking you for all the effort you've put into this. Keep it up. I think it really is worth it. =)
menareangrynow 1 year ago
@menareangrynow thanks that type of activity is helpufl!
ORVX 1 year ago
@ORVX
Even though the MRM is largely an online movement, we need to be looking to transition into real world activism. The manosphere will always have a soft place in my heart, and I'll always be a part of it; but, in the following years we need to start taking a place at public rallies and learning how to operate in the open effectively. If you think you're up for that, then I'd advise you to do the same, and start distributing leaflets and other such tools to gain new membership.
menareangrynow 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
Indeed. Even if only to see some of our brothers face to face instead of the usual manginas, simps, man-haters, and manomasocists that seem to be overrunning our masculine ranks. That would be very invigorating. Whenever I am in public and I hear a young Man stand up for his sex righteously it encourages me to continue to reach out to other young Men around me.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@MaxSachs
It would be nice to meet a lot of the people in the movement personally, that's for sure. I think you may have a misrepresentatively bleak outlook on the state of the movement when you say, "instead of the usual manginas, simps, man-haters, and manomasocists that seem to be overrunning our masculine ranks." The movement has been growing at quite a pace recently, and most of the new members are nothing of the sort you describe. To be coy and frank, though, what is 'masculinity' to you?
menareangrynow 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
It seems Ive accidentally inserted my foot in mouth here, I did not mean to sound as if I was directing an attack on the new members of the movement as they certainly dont deserve it. Rather I refer to those I meet in public, face to face that make my distributions particularly frustrating. Online the experience is quite different but I run into these road blocks all the time out here, dealing with the willfully ignorant is not easy.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
Because they are Men you would expect certain standards that youd think would make a discussion with them a little easier.like our non-conformist nature, our tendency to prefer truth over political corrected-ness. Most of the traits I find admirable in a lot of Men seem to no longer apply the minute you apply a vagina or two to the picture. Masculine ranks was probably the wrong two words to use, Men like us is more like it.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
While they are not technically our ranks as MRAs they are still Men and in my experience far too many openly espouse traditional masculinity---that which is most useful to everyone else except Men---as a cure all for the issues we are dealing with, and that other Men should goddamnit man-up and comply. Or worse yet, find a good woman.and all our issues will disappear. This doesnt let me off the hook for my inserted foot so Ill have to bite your bait a bit.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
As you probably well know I do not have a standard version of masculinity that I subscribe to or expect others to do so, I cant tell you what masculinity should mean.just thats its design should be left up to Men and on an individual basis. Not the State, and not Women. However, there are a few characteristics I simply cannot tolerate: refusing to investigate the truth about feminism and the war on Men, Boys, and civilization itself.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
In light of what Men face today its just pure tomfoolery and its tough to respect Men that behave like this. Too often I run into these in my public space, most of them are older dudes 35+ and others married with children. Perhaps their response is due to the fact that they instinctively know that the system has them by the balls. Talking to them is my attempt to encourage them in seeing the issues intuitively as well.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
@menareangrynow
As I mentioned before, masculine ranks was probably a bad choice of words. Some of these Men used to be my friends, Men I respected. While were here though Ive got some personal issues that I think the more experienced MRAs might be able to help with, please check your inbox later today. And apologies to Factory for gobbling up his comment section, won`t happen again.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
You are doing great work with the MRM! magazine, thanks factory. Btw, anyone ever told you before that you look a little like MacGuyver? Cheers. :)
cdubMRA 1 year ago 6
@cdubMRA Never heard McGuyver before...is that good or bad?
Oh, and thanks for the encouragement.
:)
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590,
Maybe it's just the haircut. I would say it's good, he's a good looking guy, at least I think most ladies would think so.
cdubMRA 1 year ago
@factory2590
McGuyver was a TV character a while back, played by Dean Anderson, if I remember correctly. It's probably a good thing; because, he had a lot of fan girls, because of his looks. ;)
menareangrynow 1 year ago
you should go back to wearing you're hair the way you did in you're older vids. you were hot
WhiskeyLovinAtheist 1 year ago
@WhiskeyLovinAtheist Well then worry not, this hair is a product of sheer laziness..
It should be back to normal soon.
factory2590 1 year ago
if i want to submit a piece to the magazine how do i do it? i have a piece id like to submit
ztakn 1 year ago
@ztakn Good point.
All submissions should be emailed to the mrm email address.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590
I read your first issue of this magazine, top notch man I thought it was an excellent idea. I couldn't make a decent mra vid on youtube to save my life but I can write with some clarity, I didn't know I could submit my own articles so I will be using that submission resource in the future.
McGuyver was portrayed as one of the most resourceful Men on television, 80s and early 90s I think. Using his intellect in all situations to get himself and friends out of scrapes.
MaxSachs 1 year ago
Good to have you back factory2590.
mindround 1 year ago
@mindround Thanks. Hopefully I'll come up with something else to say one of these days...
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590
There's always YouTube drama. That can produce interesting videos. ;)
menareangrynow 1 year ago