And all that intact industrial power would have been useless and fallen into depression if it wasent for Keynesians policies (like the Marshall plan, like the policies to support war veterans buy houses and go to college for free, and public works and reconstruction work to go on).
only simpletons with hidden agendas equate the left with lack of democracy
Oh how did Henry Ford justified giving his staff wagers higher than average? And he was no leftist! He said he wanted his staff to be able to afford his cars.
There are many countries in the world immensely wealthy (look at Brazil) where the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few does not allow for the creation of a healthy middle and working class with money in their pocket to spend and push the economy
The separation in the late XIX century between communists and social democrats is well documented. It happened in each country as soon as access to power thru democratic processes was allowed between those who wanted to play by the rules of democracy and those who thought that power should be reached thru a revolution. Being from the left (social democarts, european liberals, greens) is much more being for democracy than being from the right.
And only idiots call anything right of the republican party communism! Is Sweden Communist? Is France Communist, Is Adenauer´s Social democratic party communist?
communism has NEVER worked and will NEVER work and it is the liberal socialist progressive marxist policies of the demonrats that have ruined the economic livelihood of this country and the inner cities NOT the bankers. communists like this obamunist LUST for POWER for its own sake and as such DEMONIZE other institutions to seduce people into slavery, subjugation and economic poverty.
@SocratesTheGadfly Bollocks it was keynsianism that made americas prosperity in the 50s and 60s and the economic decadence of america is connected to the fact that real salaries have been droping non stop since the 70s a fall only disguised by opening the market to foreign cheaper goods and easy credit which temporarily compensated this fall. But now these policies are coming to its natural conclusion of a credit crises and job destruction.
@greenday1978 NO, you are WRONG! much of the world was DESTROYED by world war 2 and The United States of America emerged from that war with an industrial infrastructure that was intact and geared toward defeating 3 axis powers. after the war America re-tooled and was able to help the free world re-build by offering goods and services to a much larger market overseas. the limitations IMPOSED by socialist policies trying to defeat the depression ultimately slowed the American economy down.
@SocratesTheGadfly Communism is a leftist ideology as catholic authoritarianism, or Pinochet´s military dictatorship and many other are rightist ideologies. And they are also on the same league of leninism, fascism etc in the sense they do not respect individual freedom or the democratic process.
@greenday1978 Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity and is NOT a political ideology. Catholicism is the largest denomination of Christianity with nearly 1 billion people who profess to being Catholic.
@SocratesTheGadfly Religion, any religion, is an ideology. An ideology is a system of beliefs that explain the world in a specific way. ...and you will notice please that I said -catholic authoritarianism- which is an ideology that even ruled countries like Portugal (Salazar dictatorship), Spain, (Franco) and Austria (Dolfuss) and was the ideological basis of support for military dictatorships all over south america.
@greenday1978 what you are referring to is collectively known as theocracy and the western world has not had theocratic governments for quite some time and is a relic of the middle ages in europe. iran today is an islamic theocracy that conducts terrorist operations throughout the middle east and north africa. spain under franco was a facist regime.
@SocratesTheGadfly No I am not. Theocracy is the rule of a religious establishment over a State, it is a form of governemnt. Catholic authoritarianism is a ultramontane ideology that gave support to Franco, Salazar, Dolfuss, Pinochet and many others and believes the interests of the church are better served by a conservative, if necessary (but not always) military regime whos justification is its service to "traditionalist" values and not the democratic process.
@SocratesTheGadfly If you knew anything about the recent history of Spain you would know that it was this catholic authoritarian ideology (together with the hatred for the left) that unified the different groups of the spanish right under Franco (and with the help of bishops to negotiate between the factions), be they carlists, requetistas, proper fascists, monarchists etc. They all believed in the same motto Patria, Dios y Familia. The church was the cement of all these regimes.
The objective of catholic authoritarians rarely is the intalation of a pure catholic theocratic State (although you can find that position in a few authors). It is more often an explicit alliance between the church and the civilians or military in power. Any of these dictators I mentioned consulted their bishops before any major decisions and included church recomendations in their policies. The comunications between Cardinal Cerejeira and Salazar are well documented as an exemple.
Maybe less cigarettes...
zooch79 5 months ago
And all that intact industrial power would have been useless and fallen into depression if it wasent for Keynesians policies (like the Marshall plan, like the policies to support war veterans buy houses and go to college for free, and public works and reconstruction work to go on).
greenday1978 7 months ago
only simpletons with hidden agendas equate the left with lack of democracy
Oh how did Henry Ford justified giving his staff wagers higher than average? And he was no leftist! He said he wanted his staff to be able to afford his cars.
There are many countries in the world immensely wealthy (look at Brazil) where the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few does not allow for the creation of a healthy middle and working class with money in their pocket to spend and push the economy
greenday1978 7 months ago
The separation in the late XIX century between communists and social democrats is well documented. It happened in each country as soon as access to power thru democratic processes was allowed between those who wanted to play by the rules of democracy and those who thought that power should be reached thru a revolution. Being from the left (social democarts, european liberals, greens) is much more being for democracy than being from the right.
greenday1978 7 months ago
And only idiots call anything right of the republican party communism! Is Sweden Communist? Is France Communist, Is Adenauer´s Social democratic party communist?
greenday1978 7 months ago
@greenday1978 communism is a LEFTIST ideology and in the same league as marxism, stalinism, leninism, facism and nazism!
SocratesTheGadfly 7 months ago
communism has NEVER worked and will NEVER work and it is the liberal socialist progressive marxist policies of the demonrats that have ruined the economic livelihood of this country and the inner cities NOT the bankers. communists like this obamunist LUST for POWER for its own sake and as such DEMONIZE other institutions to seduce people into slavery, subjugation and economic poverty.
SocratesTheGadfly 1 year ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Bollocks it was keynsianism that made americas prosperity in the 50s and 60s and the economic decadence of america is connected to the fact that real salaries have been droping non stop since the 70s a fall only disguised by opening the market to foreign cheaper goods and easy credit which temporarily compensated this fall. But now these policies are coming to its natural conclusion of a credit crises and job destruction.
greenday1978 7 months ago
@greenday1978 NO, you are WRONG! much of the world was DESTROYED by world war 2 and The United States of America emerged from that war with an industrial infrastructure that was intact and geared toward defeating 3 axis powers. after the war America re-tooled and was able to help the free world re-build by offering goods and services to a much larger market overseas. the limitations IMPOSED by socialist policies trying to defeat the depression ultimately slowed the American economy down.
SocratesTheGadfly 7 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Communism is a leftist ideology as catholic authoritarianism, or Pinochet´s military dictatorship and many other are rightist ideologies. And they are also on the same league of leninism, fascism etc in the sense they do not respect individual freedom or the democratic process.
greenday1978 7 months ago
@greenday1978 Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity and is NOT a political ideology. Catholicism is the largest denomination of Christianity with nearly 1 billion people who profess to being Catholic.
SocratesTheGadfly 7 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly Religion, any religion, is an ideology. An ideology is a system of beliefs that explain the world in a specific way. ...and you will notice please that I said -catholic authoritarianism- which is an ideology that even ruled countries like Portugal (Salazar dictatorship), Spain, (Franco) and Austria (Dolfuss) and was the ideological basis of support for military dictatorships all over south america.
greenday1978 7 months ago
@greenday1978 what you are referring to is collectively known as theocracy and the western world has not had theocratic governments for quite some time and is a relic of the middle ages in europe. iran today is an islamic theocracy that conducts terrorist operations throughout the middle east and north africa. spain under franco was a facist regime.
SocratesTheGadfly 7 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly No I am not. Theocracy is the rule of a religious establishment over a State, it is a form of governemnt. Catholic authoritarianism is a ultramontane ideology that gave support to Franco, Salazar, Dolfuss, Pinochet and many others and believes the interests of the church are better served by a conservative, if necessary (but not always) military regime whos justification is its service to "traditionalist" values and not the democratic process.
greenday1978 7 months ago
@SocratesTheGadfly If you knew anything about the recent history of Spain you would know that it was this catholic authoritarian ideology (together with the hatred for the left) that unified the different groups of the spanish right under Franco (and with the help of bishops to negotiate between the factions), be they carlists, requetistas, proper fascists, monarchists etc. They all believed in the same motto Patria, Dios y Familia. The church was the cement of all these regimes.
greenday1978 7 months ago
The objective of catholic authoritarians rarely is the intalation of a pure catholic theocratic State (although you can find that position in a few authors). It is more often an explicit alliance between the church and the civilians or military in power. Any of these dictators I mentioned consulted their bishops before any major decisions and included church recomendations in their policies. The comunications between Cardinal Cerejeira and Salazar are well documented as an exemple.
greenday1978 7 months ago