Is Islam a Religion of Peace - Andalusi and Seymour vs. Qureshi and Wood - 03

[Summadat]

In a request appropriate to this topic, I would like to see how Wood and Qureshi reconcile their theology with the multiple explicit orders of the old testament that calls for the indiscriminate killing of non-believing men, women, children, infants and livestock of whole societies.

[Summadat]

Epic fail! Peace is not a precept to religion, nor has it ever been. Peace is only promised to those subscribed to the religion. All panelists seem to fail to recognize this. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were well at peace with themselves, but because their practice blatantly violated biblical law, the destruction of their society became incumbent.

[khalilrabee]

he keeps insisting on the hadith that says that the prophet hit 'a'isha...i dont know why the muslims dont mention this but that hadith is da'eef, which means weak...

because there is a hadith that says he never hit a woman, and in the methodology of hadith selection when 2 contradict each other the one that gives the good massege is the authentic one...as far as i know...

[quranresponse]

(Hosea-ch-13-vs-16)

“Samaria will be held guilty, for she is actually rebellious against her god. By the sword they will fall. Their own children will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women themselves will be ripped up.

[allahisacont]

@quranresponse

hey you dumb ass so that doesn't make Quran authentic and Islam peaceful. This is exactly what David said, "There are passages in Bible which are violent, there is no denying that". There are many Christians who openly condemn George Bush. But have you found any Islamic scholar criticize Osama Bin Laden????? The answer is 'NO' you dim wit.

[quranresponse]

criticize Osama Bin Laden????

the answer yes. me.

[facta98]

what a baby doing among thos peoples?

[MystikalSmoke83]

The truth is your prophet was one of the most vile bastards to ever walk the planet. A saint? I don't think so. Let me ask you something if Charles Manson wrote a bible, would you follow it? Would you erect churches in his name? I don't think so. Read the following sites and PROVE ME WRONG. Spare me your lies. (thereligionofpeace) (apostatesofislam)

[exposemyfoes]

@MystikalSmoke83 dont call our beloved prophet a bastard u fucking prick

[wellhard11]

the Muslims have lost this debate badly its laughable how they are justifying islam and rejecting there own sources

[sarcip7x]

Is Islam a religion of peace? What a joke. They will kill you for DRAWING A CARTOON!!!!! There doesnt need to be a mock discussion.

[exposemyfoes]

@sarcip7x WE'LL KILL U FOR DISRESPECTING GOD OR OUR PROPHETS and any true religious person wud never tolerate pricks disrespecting our prophets

[taoistwarrior]

Either those muslims don't know there quran and hadiths or they are just simply lying to hide the truth of Islam. Its demonic violence.

[exposemyfoes]

@taoistwarrior ACTUALLY ITS THE CHRISTIANS QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT OR WEAK NARRATIONS

[penkallli]

@escfromsam In an islamic state, were not secularists, with that tax comes other benefits like not joining the army etc.

Islam is recognized to be the truth by the state, not secularism

[fbajwa1]

LOL That Jewish guy at 22:00 PWNED Jesus.

[ShubanRajim]

that guy at 33:50 sounds like he would be an excellent debater

[Brrup]

Jesus is GOD

[dilawer321]

LOL if you look closely you can tel andulassy doesnt like seamore must be becuase he is shia! So many muslims are leaving sunni islam and are becoming quran only muslims, it looks like andulassy has done the same lol he rejects every single hadith that david and nabeel give him, good job guys now muslims just have to reject the quran as they do the hadith

[Millrider]

Being a "Slave of Allah" is not for me. Just the words; slave and submission(islam) should give you some clues about the "justness" of the doctrine. Violence, hate and submitting others is not justified because it is sanctified by "god". It should be obvious that those things are not contributing to the greater good of all. Since you can't cubmit all there will always be conflict with islam. People need their freedom.

[aghzizo]

i wish to understand that jew old man what he exactly means to ask ....

[matthews15f]

I am surprised that the muslims could not use their own books to defend themselves, they were so out smartened that they resorted to denial. that is not scholarly standard even if the christian guys have masters degree, it does not excuse the poor performance of the muslims. any how Islam is a death cult and very difficult to defend except if you are brain dead

[forzaitalia2]

Islam forces people to belive. it attracted great worriers of the east to belive with the promise of booty and women and power not only that people were forced to accept Islam so they could simply live a normal life without being subjected to degredation

[meseibr]

You guy, can't you read the Quran. It is the guide for all mankind. Don't follow anyreligion blind, May be you r blind. DEDEB

[MrGrandDragon]

Clearly both Nabeel and David are the product of Secularization to such an extent that they would also condemn Jesus for telling the Jews to kill homosexuals, to kill apostates and to kill the unbelieving nations

[MrGrandDragon]

Oky doky number 1

When our prophet (pbuh) pressed his fingers (not hand) unto Aisah (ra) it was to drive away evil thoughts and to invoke blessings on a her.

I wish Abdullah knew this!!

[muslim610]

The muslim speakers done a good job.

[AllahsCreation]

well, the histoirian facts given towards the end put the truth ahead of the falsehood..

those people he qouted at the end are actually academic historians.. i ask everyone to read prophets life & trust me it would make you cry,

our prophet Sallahu 'Alaihi Wasallam was a mercy to mankind

[forzaitalia2]

hahah i love the quotes from 'non muslims sources' its great when they can not prove Islam so they have to use other sources because their own source charges them guilty. im surpriced that he didnt pull out the '100 most influencial men' crap!

'islam is comprehensible' ??? i thought the debate is 'is Islam a religion of peace'

yayo if you spoke the original language..no one would be understanding and learning

[MrGrandDragon]

How is Crap? Its a testimony of a VERY respect historian which is why in a debate we use convincing material which is NOT biased ....

[forzaitalia2]

wood and quershi were giving proof from ISLAMIC sources from VERY respected historian scholars in the muslim world but yayho and seymour were rejecting them so went to OUTSIDE sources because their OWN MUSLIM sources were boiling them.

[1MoreMuslim]

In the debate about Christianity, Abdullah used Thomas Aquinas, David W. rejected all What the Great christian scholar has said.

[MrGrandDragon]

No he did not FULLY Quote the Hadith and his translation was inadequate since ANY honest scholar will ALWAYS check the original Arabic script for subtleties and variations in interpretation. Also they had a very narrow and broad scope when they decided to pick the Hadith which is why Seymour had to point this out. They did not even to bother to sight the hadith which CONTRADICTED their arguments.

The simple fact is you cant simply pick one hadith and isolate it unless it has general content

[forzaitalia2]

what are you talking about...they did fully quote from the hadith because a member of the audience stoop up to challenge him about that so quaresh or wood took the hadith again and read it in full. seymour ask him to quote from other scholars that no one uses becayse they are inconsistant scholars

[MrGrandDragon]

Don't you understand? David Wood has the Abridged version, it DOES NOT contain the full quote and view point of Ibn katheer.

Which is why the audience member HAD TO POINT it out. He even said how frustrated he was whilst the debate was going since he knew all along that David was using faulty translation like usual. And since David does not bother verifying accuracy his arguments will always lack depth

[1MoreMuslim]

In the Methodology of proof, Quoting outside sources, gives a further credibility because they are not Bias, but you mock this, because you can't do the same with Christianity.

[penkallli]

022.040

YUSUFALI: (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might,

[penkallli]

Verse 22.40 is Madinan verse, one verse is enough to refute the christians, I cant imagine what would happen if they debated muslim scholars, instead of converts to islam

[Acts17Apologetics]

Did you even watch the debate? There are three stages in the Muslim call to violence. Stage One was in Mecca, when Muslims weren't allowed to fight. Stage Two was in Medinah, when they could fight defensive Jihad. Stage Three came after Muslims were in control. That's when the call to offensive Jihad came.

You quoted a verse from Stage Two and applied it to Stage Three! Now read 9:29 and see what happens long after the verse you quoted.

[penkallli]

Ur stages dont make sense, Khalid bin Waleed applied the verse 2:256 on the christian arabs in Syria, No compulsion in Religion, and there are many examples, and the verse speaks of churches and synagogues being protected by the army;

Furthermore the christians just brushed aside all other facts, thats why I say Im amazed how easily these arguments can be refuted

[yahya2006]

It's like I'm talking to a wall.

Yes, if Christians agree to submit to Muslims by paying them the Jizyah, then they are not to be compelled to accept Islam. We never said otherwise. Why are you still missing the point?

[LothairOfLorraine]

Not so fast, Yahya. While compulsion into Islam may be avoided for the generation that is conquered, their children often may not be baptized, nor are new churches to be constructed once the Muslims take power. The goal of course is to erase Christianity in increments. So, a fate worse than compulsion into Islam awaits those who submit to the genocidal terms of the jizya.

[Tchado1000]

Not really , once I examined eastern christian church history , verse 9:29 actually seems historically accurate , and it not even offensive ! (if you reply I will explain)

this is according to what mid-eastern christian history and Islam says , recorded by the top christian historian at the time , Yuhanna Al-Nakyusi , check out his books , his books are being taught in churches and official seminaries here in the east.

Get the idea that christianity is western out your head .

[evianalmighty]

Why did god only speak in arabic. It is another BS way to show that Arabs are superior. Muslims murdered 270,000,000 innocent non muslims. 120,000,000 Africans enslaved and murdered.

[evianalmighty]

Muhammad was a mass murdering rapist theif. He was not a prophet of the god of christians and jews.

Islam does not belong in the west or for that matter it belongs nowhere. It is a violent and ugly cult.

The west must............

STOP ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW!!!!

FRY FRY PALESTINE!!!!!

[Droplets77]

That last statement is not cool. I've seen this kind of language coming from the mouths of Muslims. Remember the old saying 'you become what you hate'? You have to be careful, Evian. You have every right to have disgust for the religion and some of its followers, but not all of them are that bad. Many of them are severely misguided, and were brought up into the faith (It was engrained into them), it's kind of sad in a way.

[Droplets77]

I'm not sure if you're Christian or not, but this is a good verse to lookup when we catch ourselves feeling hatred towards our enemy (Matthew 5:44).

Take care.

[TruthbHeard]

Droplets77 the world doesnt need your guidance christian countries dont even seek guidance from their own books anymore they are self declared secularist that realize christianity is impractical and cant hold society together

I think christians have been nothing but hate and today are nothing but a sexually perverse nation, im sure your holly wood celebrities and your youth are very guided right

[Droplets77]

"Droplets77 the world doesnt need your guidance"

Aw, I see. You have a problem with my concerns with the comment above, which to that I cited Matt 5:44?

And you then have the audacity to tell me that, "..christians have been nothing but hate". (Which, BTW, I wouldn't have made such a broad sweeping statement to you - even as a Muslim). It seems you don't want us Christians to even demonstrate Christian love and ethics. Why then you complain is beyond me. (Cont..)>

[Droplets77]

You wrote:"...your holly wood celebrities".

I don't own any Hollywood celebrities. Anything they do (or what any other Joe Schmo does), I am not accountable for, and neither is any faith that teaches a contrary lifestyle. Being held accountable for myself--- is a big job in and of itself.

(Cont..)>

[Droplets77]

..You see, I can't legislate my faith in God or morality onto a person's heart, only God can do all those things. Us humans can only legislate laws onto paper, and leave it up to each of the states to enforce those laws.

-What Christian countries? Most western countries are, in fact, secular and not Christian. Although, the US was originally founded on some Biblical laws and ethics. (Cont..)>

[Droplets77]

You can view some of this by seeing people living out their daily lives in freedom and in harmony with one another. On the other hand, look at the fruits of the Islamic ruled countries. You see violence and oppression towards men, women and children from all walks of life. People have the freedom to disbelieve in my country. Christians won't seek to threaten a person's life to get them to believe "again" (like we see in many Islamic countries).

(Cont..)>

[Droplets77]

Only God can change the heart of the person. To "convert" someone by force (as many Muslims have done) in the end, will turn people into "Holly wood actors and actresses" -- (a false convert), who will neither be true to his / hers original beliefs, and nor to the one's that he / she was forced into. Basically you will get someone going through the motions just to save their life.

[Droplets77]

TruthbHeard wrote:"..christianity is impractical.."

The revealed God of Scriptures will exist whether people "choose" to believe in Him or not. Like one fellow Brother in Christ said, things absolute will remain true regardless of whether anyone thinks "yea" or "nay", even if all people who "believed" in God turned away from Him, He and His standards will remain true. Even when the universe and time are no more, God and His Word will remain.

[MrGrandDragon]

Those people you praise are lost and confused, they live in perverse realities trying to keep up with the latest fabs that society has churned out for cash. They are consumed in consumerism. All they do is live in a hopeless cycle, subdued consciously with having to pay all those burdensome debts to credit collectors. There is NO fruit to living in a society that values the superficial over morality. To them religion is fair game and trivial. They care more to please their peers

[MrGrandDragon]

Islam does not force a person to believe.

Its as simple as that. If Islam did then the oldest Churches would not exist

[cinista2002]

I'm sorry but i have some bad news for u.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west.

Its also mainly western women converting to islam.

So i have to say that islam does exist in the WEST. lol lol

[Mkvine]

I don't see how the number of people in a certain religion means that its true. A religion can be the least numerous and still be true. Remember that during the time of Muhammad, Islam was not very numerous, does that mean it was false? Of course not, so I don't see how numbers play a role in the validity of a religion.

[cinista2002]

I think u missed my point. I was replying to a guy who said: " islam does not belong in the west ".

So i was just pointing out that Islam does more then exists in the west lol.

[limersbey]

He probably meant Islamic values mandated under Shariah law don't belong in the West, not that there aren't any Muslims living there.

[TruthbHeard]

No1 rejects anything, your cross worshiping heroes destort and take things out of context to mislead the christian sheep as they did during holocaust, slavery n modern day muslim massacres

the majority of christian sheep hav no understanding of the bible or islam so they use ignorance to there advantage

u like wise r similar im sure u hav no clue about your own faith nor about others, all u believe is jesus is a triple god thing that died for u, even tho he nvr claims this in the bible

[xchampx]

prove they take it out of context, which they obviously proved they didn't. i dont even think you watched this debate. its easy for you to say these things but back it up.

[Droplets77]

Cross worshipers? Care to substantiate this serious accusation you have against our Brothers in Christ?

Please, try to do this without mentioning the RC church. Remember this is David and Nabeel we're speaking of and no one else.

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment".--Matthew 12:36

[Droplets77]

TruthbHeard you wrote: "im sure u hav no clue about your own faith nor about others."

Next you write: "all u believe is jesus is a triple god thing that died for u"

You really shouldn't be pumping yourself up as someone that has knowledge of the orthodox Christian faith. Clearly by your own admission you haven't got a clue. All you have done by your comments is prove these verses to be true (James 3:7-8).

[Droplets77]

Keep it up guys. I am so thankful and encouraged to see the things that you are doing.

"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."--1 Corinthians 15:58

[daome2012]

Well done!;-)