I sincerely hope that the MD in JohnLeeMD means you're a doctor because it will make this comment all the more poignant. Dr. Lee, you will now be paid solely based on the cholesterol you lower, the smokers and drinkers you get to quit, and the BMI of your patients. I don't care how overweight or stubbornly set in their ways they are when they come to you, either fix it or you're fired. And I don't want to hear excuses about genetic history, either.
Teachers should NOT be paid/employed based on seniority. That's a TRUE statement. Because the result, is the mediocrity and sense of entitlement that is now baked into the system. Teachers will deny it, and say "Not in my experience", etc. But that's because they aren't objective. There is no impetus to EXCEL, after employment is guaranteed.
@JohnLeeMD I have taught for over 15 years. I make a decent salary for my area...but merit pay is not the answer. I teach special education. My impetus to excel is my love for my students and my love for teaching. How do you use test scores to judge my hours of work with students who will not ever have the cognitive skills to pass the tests. Teachers are willing to look at merit pay...just not based on one day of test scores.
@squirrelfriend If that is your impetus, your drive--hat's off to you. But you will acknowledge that a large amount of your teaching brethren aren't. (If you aren't able to acknowledget hat, then you aren't being objective.) They are, by & large, complacent and entitled... and lest u think I'm anti-teacher--I'm not.
I AM informed (on this matter), and I AM being respectful to the profession. I just think the young blood shouldn't be barred.
Teachers have the summers off, all the school vacations, and they and cry how hard they have it. The unions also make virtually impossible to fire a bad teacher.It's for the kids, right?
An April 1994 meta-analysis -- an analysis that pools all data from many studies on the same subject and removes statistical "noise" -- by Larry Hedges of the University of Chicago found that raising teacher salaries and reducing class sizes does make a positive difference. This analysis refuted dozens of studies that appeared to show that funding made no difference in student performance. Cheapening our way into the future isn't the answer folks. You get what you pay for.
@Mooncut Very well put. Having less clients makes it easier to give more attention to the ones you have. Teachers nationwide are having to contend with classes as big as 35-40 students. And in urban districts, most of those students are probably coming to school with serious problems that affect their success in school. Why we think it would be better to add MORE STRESS AND PRESSURE to our current predicament is beyond me.
Let me see...a full years salary for 9½ months of work...Every other month a week off...Oh and lets not forget the 5½ hour work day ... Free heath care,Dental,and the $5 per month vision plan (we don't want to take advantage of the tax payers) And the yearly raises or 3 or 4%...12% over the whole contract
(no raise for me for the last 3 years) and almost half my pay for health care,dental and vision. The only thing TRUE in this video is it was (Written,Directed and produced by Stephen Kovacs)
@billy1263 The salary is for the days a teacher WORKS. Not for a year. Most teachers take 9½ months of salary and spread it over 12 months because bills come all year! How'd you like to get YOUR salary for 9½ months and then pay 12 months of bills with it? Free health care? We pay for it.
You really think we only work 5½ hrs a day? You're sadly mistaken. While we may TEACH 5½ hrs a day, but who do you think writes plans, creates instructional materials, and grades our papers? WE DO.
@ragsfan Couldn't have said it better myself. @billy1263 let's presume for a minute that you're right and everything in the video is false; in other words, that teachers are paid too much, get a free pension, aren't held accountable, have tons of free time, etc. As it suggested in the video, WHY AREN'T YOU A TEACHER? You haven't gotten a raise, pay for your healthcare, yada yada yada...quit your job and come be a teacher. But you won't, because deep down you know how wrong you are.
@ragsfan My wife was a teacher and I know how the system works. Now that she does not work for the BOE I can make comments like this and she ONLY worked 5½ hours a day...She graded papers while the kids read what the BOE class plan said (prep for the standardized testing) she didn't teach... No one teaches any more...Instructional materials? The school made the kids bring that stuff in... I won't fall for the poor teacher speech ...But any way have a nice day...
@billy1263 You know very few real teachers. It's pretty arrogant of you to assume that because that's what your wife did, all teachers do the same.
I teach foreign language and I have four levels of students. Sometimes I have more than one level in each class. Neither your wife nor you could manage to do one WEEK of that, let alone the 13 years I've been teaching. Nice try, though.
@billy1263 I'll fall for it. If your spouse really only worked for under 6 hours a day as a teacher, I'm sorry, but she she was a poor one. You're probably a lot better off, at least emotionally, now that she's gotten into a line of work that she's qualified to do.
@ragsfan Teachers only work five and a half hours a day like the clergy only works two days a week, pro athletes only work one, and movie stars only work for a couple of hours on a film. If you really believe any of that, you're too willfully ignorant for teaching to do you much good.
@cptphilb So we're not ok with auto workers making a decent wage, but we're not going to address the exorbitant salaries made by CEOs, Tiger Woods, or Charlie Sheen? The rich can keep on getting richer but the rest of America has to take a pay cut? Obscene is A-Rod making $500 million for failing 7 out of 10 times, AND THAT'S WHEN HE'S CHEATING! But if you're ok with the end of the middle class, let's keep buying those Yankee tickets while the working man goes under.
Offering a teacher merit pay in the hopes of improving test scores is like offering a doctor more money to work harder so his/her patients won't die. It's ridiculous to believe either professional isn't working their hardest under the circumstances they are given.
Also - city teachers get no health care benefits after they retire. They all have to go on medicare. Some people believe we are covered for life. Untrue!
I believe I am being attacked.. and thankfully, this video just confirmed me that somewhere around the world, other teachers share a similar threat as well.. it is sad actually, truly a moment of grief... to note that teachers are getting 'bullied' for the work they do so nobly right; educating the future generation. It is a shame to see other teachers try to escape this dilemma by working in other sector well their rights are catered for and respected....
Thank you so much for making this video. I'm on my way to becoming a teacher and the constant flurry of negative criticism which continues to spit upon our wonderful profession is pushing me to the brink of lunacy. Teachers have built this nation. How could you read the text on this very website without the aid of a teacher? My father's been a teacher for 27 years and with each passing day he makes a difference in some young person's life. I hope to do the same thing.
@TedLane And I'm about to retire due to the same reason. I've given half my life to my "kids," and I get beat up for it at every turn. I've had *enough!*
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T IN EDUCATION: If you think merit pay based on test scores is a good idea, let me remind you that these tests are becoming increasingly unfair. The tests for K/1st grade are downright DEVELOPMENTALLY INAPPROPRIATE because of ridiculously high standards that are beyond the reach of most students, willing or not. ARE WE ONLY TRAINING STUDENTS TO GO TO HARVARD AND CREATE DERIVATIVES ON WALL STREET? That doesn't serve the needs of taxpayers OR children.
Public unions didn't establish a 5 day work week, private ones did. Public unions were established as a political tactic in the late 50's/early 60's to give dems more power. Unfortunately, for the public unions, they became too successful. By using their dues and influence, they have set up pension deals and health benefits that is unsustainable financially, and far exceeding the private sector. In doing so,public unions have put their members in a position where they make sad vids like this
@link77sonic Private unions you say? I like private unions, too. Just can't seem to find them around anymore. Maybe when we allowed the private unions to be broken, that's when the middle class started to take a slide. Yes, I'm sure that strong private unions wouldn't have allowed jobs to be shipped overseas. Sounds like the wealthy got too powerful. I'm thinking it'll get worse for everyone if the wealthy kill public unions, too. Too bad half of the middle class doesn't get that.
@drstevil3 There are fewer and fewer private unions in the "private" sector, as they are not needed...and people see when the union has priced them right out of work, and their job goes overseas...As the union leadership, with the 6 figure plus salaries, just walk away....example: auto workers who are paid in wages and benefits exhorbitant sums for........unskilled labor...it's obscene!
@drstevil3 Summer vacation? Is that what they call the two months out of the year I worked painting houses and waiting tables to try and make up for my lack of income during the school year? I never had a vacation in the summer when I was a teacher. Ever. I always HAD to take on one or MORE summer jobs, just to be able to continue paying rent in the subsidized, low-income housing for which we were well qualified on the pittance I was paid while teaching.
I quit teaching, and made 3 times as much $ in the private sector. This is pretty well the norm. With the same education and training, teachers will make 3 times as much in other industries. It's ridiculous to ever state that they're overpaid.
@photodharma Thank you for pointing that out. This, of course, is to say nothing of the importance of the role of teachers in this country. We're doing more good than Tiger Woods, Charlie Sheen, or Martha Stewart could ever do. Why aren't people screaming about how overpaid these people are? Oh, by the way, one's a womanizer, one's a drug addict, and one's a thief. Good thing we're paying them millions of dollars for the important work they do.
If that is truly the case (which I find doubtful and ludicrous), then why even have teachers in the first place? Clearly they are unneeded and ineffective.
Three reasons for you: one, to make sure that the students whose parents care have guidance. They want to learn, you just point them in the right direction. Even mediocre teachers are good at this. Second, to try DESPERATELY to help the students who don't care and whose parents don't care. Even excellent teachers will fail at this many times. We can't do it for them! Third, to teach those who are truly disabled but who are held to the same standard as everyone else. Totally unfair.
Why do middle and high school teachers need tenure? Are you guys publishing controversial research? Every teach I have had that was even close to tenure had checked out years ago- because they could.
Also, I'd be rowing my boat wherever I thought made the most sense instead of blinding following the hive mind.
Most guys working 9-5 (a privilege bestowed upon them by unions) "checked out years ago". Besides, can you blame some teachers for not caring when their students and the students' parents don't care? I've seen excellent tenured teachers and excellent non-tenured teachers. Maybe it's not that your teachers checked out; maybe you just expected them to magically learn everything for you. There's a lot of that going around these days, too.
I rarely get satisfactory materials in my job either. The data I receive to do my analysis on is always flawed or insufficient in some way. You make the most out of what you have. Any improvement (see VALUE ADDED STATS) I can add I do.
As a teacher part of your job is to get kids excited about learning. Clearly you are failing.
So you're saying a child MUST be excited in order to learn? You obviously weren't taught by any Catholic disciplinarians. I had many teachers who I downright FEARED who got me to learn. Every teacher is different. The one common thread that unites successful students is parents who care. Someone who does data analysis for a living should be the last person skirting the most relevant data in educational success rates.
So what? Maybe I have a more useful college education / major. You also get much more vacation time than I do, and (despite what you would like everyone to believe) have much more job security than most. That lack of risk as well as other intangibles lowers your market value. Sorry about your luck.
That was three and a half minutes I'm never getting back. But I'll take your test since you were obviously unable to come up with the correct answers:
Are teachers overpaid? Some are, some aren't. The truly great teachers are underpaid. However, the incentive structure for teachers is misaligned with promoting quality teachers. Public teachers don't make less than their private counterparts. Every person I've talked to (and I have a few friends that are teachers) have told me that private schools pay less than public schools. The reason? More teachers want to teach at private schools because the kids/parents are ...
@GlassOnion83 easier to deal with. Higher supply drives down the salary.
For the 5% or so that most teachers kick in for their defined benefit plan it would be the equivalent of a private employer kicking in an extra 13% and guaranteeing a 6% annual yield. Not many 401(k)s do that. In fact, none do, at least at that cost.
Do you know what happens when my employer is broke- like what has happened at a lot of places over the last two years? I don't get a raise, I don't get a bonus, ...
@GlassOnion83 I get laid off, etc. etc. Welcome to the real world.
Nice ploy to try to deflect the argument about teachers' worth by turning it into class warfare. Give me a break.
There is little incentive for young quality teachers (or any teacher) because those talents are not recognized. You can't simply pay everyone more and hope to attract better talent. You have to pay quality people.
Charter schools are an imperfect solution to the problem of lack of school choice. Why should I be forced to send my children to whatever local school is in my school district? What if that school is terrible?
It's very easy to measure a teacher of a special ed student, honors class, etc. You use value added statistics. If a kid comes in dumb and leaves less dumb you've done your job, if not you have failed. If there is a recurring pattern of failure you should not be a teacher. You could also audit classrooms, speak to parents, speak to teachers, set goals and standards for excellence...
Again, it doesn't have to be a perfect solution (because nothing ever is) but if every other industry can figure out by and large who the better employees are then there is no reason why teachers can't do the same.
Really? Is that why guys who created derivatives and sub-prime mortgages and collapsed financial companies got enormous bonuses last year? And the year before? And the year before? How about people who get ahead because of who they know? How about people who connive their way to the top? Step on the toes of their colleagues? Oh yeah, getting ahead in private industry is all about "better employees".
@GlassOnion83 I'm going to start with your merit pay argument. You are clearly not a teacher, or you are a teacher who is unfamiliar with the limitless research which tells us that the greatest factor in predicting a student's success or failure is parental involvement and expectations. Does having a good teacher help? Yes. But the cold hard fact is that children who want to learn how to read, and their parents want them to learn how to read, are going to learn how to read.
There's very little a teacher cannot achieve with a student who's parents care about his education. Just like there are mediocre doctors, mediocre lawyers, and mediocre people in every walk of life, there are mediocre teachers. But you don't have to be a great teacher to reach a kids who's parents care. So once again, I fail to see how it's SOLELY the responsibility of the teacher to take interest in a child's education if HIS OWN PARENTS DON'T CARE.
Every teacher gets evaluated each year multiple times. The procedure for removal is in place. If an administrator sees a need, they have the means to remove a poor teacher, provided it is well-documented. By the way, the protection working Americans have to not be fired without cause comes from unions like ours. Show some respect.
To hold the teacher financially accountable under these circumstances is ludicrous. When you talk about taking a child who's, as you put it, "dumb" and holding a teacher solely accountable for making him, as you put it, "less dumb", you have overlooked the fact that the process of becoming "less dumb" hinges greatly on PERSONAL MOTIVATION. I am an expert motivator when it comes to my students, but because of the circumstances they bring to school, I am not able to reach all of them.
I don't know what industry you're in, but I'm going to pretend you're an automobile manufacturer (because of your reference to Ford). You purchase steel from a company to make your cars. The steel is no good. What do you do? You get rid of that steel and you start buying from another supplier. In other words, you replace raw material that is no good with material that is good. As the video suggests, CAN TEACHERS DO THAT? When do we ever get to SELECT which kids we're going to teach?
In the private sector, if you can't do your job despite satisfactory raw materials, you're held accountable. But you want teachers, who almost NEVER have satisfactory raw materials, to be held accountable in the same way? Don't forget that even talented students today are more interested in entertainment and technology than they are in education. That is an 8-ball that we are stuck behind before we even walk into the classroom.
Now let me address your COMPLETE AND UTTER MISINTERPRETATION of the term "private industry counterparts." NOTE THE WORD "INDUSTRY". NOT EDUCATION. We aren't talking about PRIVATE SCHOOL TEACHERS. We are paid less, given our college degree, than people who work in private industry. Whatever your starting salary was with a college degree, it was better than mine. And I graduated Magna Cum Laude. I didn't "fall back" on teaching. I could be doing anything at all, but I CHOSE TO TEACH.
And, you are only underpaid if you only take into account 'take home' pay. If you also include all of your rich pension/health/dental benefits you are certainly doing much better than you'd like to admit.
You're making this about what I have and you don't, as if I'm not working hard. TEACHERS WORK HARD FOR A LIVING. At no point in this dialogue have I suggested that you don't work hard, but you presume to KNOW that I'm a lazy, overpaid, over-entitled teacher because you claim to have had teachers like that. And just so we're clear, these "RICH" benefits we receive? YOU DESERVE THEM, TOO. I didn't give you substandard benefits. Point that finger at the wealthy and powerful where it belongs.
@drstevil3 Yes. When I taught, I was up at 4:30 am making lesson plans for two hours, got to school at 7:30am, worked with students until 3:30, stayed preparing the room, arranging stuff for the next day or grading until 4:30, went home and graded more papers, did research, made plans until 12am, and got up the next at 4:30 am and did it all over again. I was working more than 80 hrs/wk. I did the math. With the $ I brought home, was making c. $3.30/hr. I no longer teach.
@drstevil3 It appears GlassOnion83's contempt is based on the reality that public education is NOT a free market enterprise. For some libertarians, *any* endeavor that's evaluated and judged by means other than their sacred free market principals is *flawed* and unworthy of their energy. Outcomes in public education result from investments made by a COMMUNITY. Contemporary libertarians (I call them glibertarians) are so averse to community enterprise, they seem to reflexively dismiss it.
Lastly, your take on the real world in your private industry is the SAME as a teacher's reality. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET OFF THINKING TEACHERS DON'T GET LAID OFF. When the money runs out, we get canned, too. ALL OF OUR NON-TENURED TEACHERS were laid off last year. The problem is that you think our reality is better than yours; that we're entitled. If you didn't have that misapprehension, maybe you'd see that we're all in the same boat and you need to row with us instead of against us.
I find it fascinating that, among the negative comments, I find grammatical, usage and spelling errors. You're right, people. We don't need to pay teachers well. We're already so smart.
@drstevil3 The old "Scapegoat" ploy. Guess that you've never heard "ANY" politician, reporter, or even a singer who can make a mistake when speaking to the public. Check out videos on here (YouTube) for our "National Anthem" just a few weeks ago for the Super Bowl. I looked and I didn't see you make "One" comments on how smart teachers after that. You need to pick another battle.
@sawsawsaw3 Again, you're not speaking the same English that I do.
"I looked and I didn't see you make 'One' comments on how smart teachers after that."
I don't know what this is supposed to mean because it isn't a coherent sentence. Once again, you're going to find it hard to garner support for your arguments if you can't make sense. This is why teachers are important. Thank you for furthering our cause...again.
Neither pro DEM or REP but always vote. Lost a $65,000 engineering job to workers overseas. Current employer said "These are the benefits you GET". Wish I could have been able negotiated either. Now working for a less pay and benefits. Let teachers should have the same treatment. Oh they can't . You know why, Job security. Please have any teacher give the name of a school that has gone overseas, just one. We'll negotiate from there. "WALKER FOR PRESIDENT". Chalange me you crying babies.
@sawsawsaw3 So you got screwed by the rich and powerful out of salary/benefits that YOU DESERVED, and your solution is to hope that other people who are just like you get screwed, too? Shouldn't you be standing with a picket sign alongside us demanding the same rights we have? BTW I've been teaching 9 years and am still nowhere near making $65k. Walker as president would just give your boss more ways to screw you. Take your finger and point it at the wealthy where it belongs.
Excuse me, not trying to get back at you for what happened to me but "JUST" asking you to be able to "MAN ENOUGH" (just a figure of speech) to deal with what the average American tied to the manufacturing industry has encountered. Trust me, there are more of us than you out there. Secondly, I never made a comparison on pay did "I", no. Get what your given.
@sawsawsaw3 - I'd love to read your job performance reviews. Many engineers I've worked with teach evening classes at community colleges. Some quit engineering to become teachers in public schools, as have some physicists, chemists and other professionals in our school system here in Ohio. Instead of taking it "like a man", you bitch about what the next guy is getting. How pathetic. Why aren't you bitching about Charlie Sheen. Tiger Woods and LeBron James?
@Mooncut Thanks for helping me to make this point clear to sawsawsaw3. No teacher or other public employee has EVER rooted for private sector workers to have their jobs shipped overseas. We're all middle class and we're all in this together. Very few people in the private sector seem to understand that the benefits they have are all products of unions advancing the middle class. 8-hour workday, 2-day weekend, healthcare at work, safety standards, can't be fired without cause...
Give it up with your collectivist bullshit. You know what else? 100 years ago Henry Ford build a bunch of nice cars. That doesn't mean I should go out and buy a Ford today. Unions have, in general, overstayed their welcome.
@sawsawsaw3 Oh, yeah, and "Chalange" is spelled "challenge" in case you are wondering. You're right, let's pay teachers crap and take their benefits, because we clearly don't need to be better educated in this country. And we're not crying. It's called advocacy. Union members stand up for their rights. I only wish we could have stood up for yours, too. Maybe we'll still get that chance.
@beulahmo It's not just the grammar, spelling and usage errors. It's the swearing that's common among the nay-sayers and haters of those who teach the future leaders of our great nation. "The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it."
George Washington
Guess you didn't pay attention to this lesson in school.... :>(
@msdbkrous You're lashing out at a fellow educator for using the word "jackass" when addressing a critic who calls us "crying babies" because we're not quietly accepting compensation cuts and pink slips?? And you use a George Washington quote to insinuate that I have no sense of character? You're a piece of work. Suits me fine, frankly. I don't need you as an ally -- your judgment stinks! Save your sanctimonious crap for someone haughty enough (like you) to give a damn.
I see comments of mine and those of my colleagues being flagged as spam and removed. If this continues to happen, I will be removing all negative comments about this video. No one has removed these comments, despite their total lack of substance, yet the retorts which do have substance are being sabotaged. Keep it up, and the negative comments get the boot.
the fact that you used the word "gayest" speaks for your intellect, and you call yourself an engineer? What can't you support? that you needed teachers to LEARN your trade? or were you Einstein and somehow taught yourself? Please refrain from commenting especially when they have no substance, depth, or meaning. Try coming back with real facts then maybe we'll be open for discussion.
btw no one is crying here--maybe just a little respect ..
@germantown84 Standing up for one's rights and expecting to be treated fairly is not crying. Nothing about this video is gay; you must be using that word in a derogatory manner. Very classy. We have school for 180 days a year...but that's not where the job begins and ends. Do you know how much work and preparation it takes before and after those classes take place? The median salary for a teacher is $50k...with a college degree. Do you have a college degree? How much do you make?
@AOglassjaws & @pernongra: perhaps you should take daviscd1's advice and go visit a school. Not some suburban palace, but an inner city school where the roof is leaking. Go see what teachers there are dealing with. Then maybe you'll be qualified to make critical comments that also have bearing on this issue, rather than criticisms that carry no weight at all.
...and we are required to refine and improve our practice by continuing our education. No tuition reimbursement here. And no matter how much education we have (doctorate included) our salary tops out.
Come visit a school... a classroom. We do what we do because our desire it to educate children. We continue to waddle through the bureaucracy and sludge in order to reach kids.
Let's not forget that many teachers all over America HAVEN'T received a raise in a year or two. Some teachers have taken pay cuts, as well. Ideally, a teacher is supposed to get a raise each year (up to a certain maximum salary; they don't just keep going up forever). Mind you, that's an attempt to compensate for the fact that we make MUCH LESS out of college than they do in the private sector, and for most of us, our raises are minimal for 10-15 years!
@link77sonic@linkSonic if you are middle class like the rest of America is, you should know that the unions have bestowed on your middle class life an 8-hour workday, 2-day weekend, safety standards at work, health care available through work, a decent wage, and the protection from being fired without cause..
I sincerely hope that the MD in JohnLeeMD means you're a doctor because it will make this comment all the more poignant. Dr. Lee, you will now be paid solely based on the cholesterol you lower, the smokers and drinkers you get to quit, and the BMI of your patients. I don't care how overweight or stubbornly set in their ways they are when they come to you, either fix it or you're fired. And I don't want to hear excuses about genetic history, either.
There's merit pay for you, still like it?
drstevil3 1 month ago
Teachers should NOT be paid/employed based on seniority. That's a TRUE statement. Because the result, is the mediocrity and sense of entitlement that is now baked into the system. Teachers will deny it, and say "Not in my experience", etc. But that's because they aren't objective. There is no impetus to EXCEL, after employment is guaranteed.
JohnLeeMD 1 month ago
@JohnLeeMD I have taught for over 15 years. I make a decent salary for my area...but merit pay is not the answer. I teach special education. My impetus to excel is my love for my students and my love for teaching. How do you use test scores to judge my hours of work with students who will not ever have the cognitive skills to pass the tests. Teachers are willing to look at merit pay...just not based on one day of test scores.
squirrelfriend 1 month ago
@squirrelfriend If that is your impetus, your drive--hat's off to you. But you will acknowledge that a large amount of your teaching brethren aren't. (If you aren't able to acknowledget hat, then you aren't being objective.) They are, by & large, complacent and entitled... and lest u think I'm anti-teacher--I'm not.
I AM informed (on this matter), and I AM being respectful to the profession. I just think the young blood shouldn't be barred.
JohnLeeMD 1 month ago
Teachers have the summers off, all the school vacations, and they and cry how hard they have it. The unions also make virtually impossible to fire a bad teacher.It's for the kids, right?
bocobob 3 months ago
An April 1994 meta-analysis -- an analysis that pools all data from many studies on the same subject and removes statistical "noise" -- by Larry Hedges of the University of Chicago found that raising teacher salaries and reducing class sizes does make a positive difference. This analysis refuted dozens of studies that appeared to show that funding made no difference in student performance. Cheapening our way into the future isn't the answer folks. You get what you pay for.
Mooncut 9 months ago 2
@Mooncut Very well put. Having less clients makes it easier to give more attention to the ones you have. Teachers nationwide are having to contend with classes as big as 35-40 students. And in urban districts, most of those students are probably coming to school with serious problems that affect their success in school. Why we think it would be better to add MORE STRESS AND PRESSURE to our current predicament is beyond me.
drstevil3 9 months ago 2
Let me see...a full years salary for 9½ months of work...Every other month a week off...Oh and lets not forget the 5½ hour work day ... Free heath care,Dental,and the $5 per month vision plan (we don't want to take advantage of the tax payers) And the yearly raises or 3 or 4%...12% over the whole contract
(no raise for me for the last 3 years) and almost half my pay for health care,dental and vision. The only thing TRUE in this video is it was (Written,Directed and produced by Stephen Kovacs)
billy1263 11 months ago
@billy1263 The salary is for the days a teacher WORKS. Not for a year. Most teachers take 9½ months of salary and spread it over 12 months because bills come all year! How'd you like to get YOUR salary for 9½ months and then pay 12 months of bills with it? Free health care? We pay for it.
You really think we only work 5½ hrs a day? You're sadly mistaken. While we may TEACH 5½ hrs a day, but who do you think writes plans, creates instructional materials, and grades our papers? WE DO.
ragsfan 11 months ago
@ragsfan Couldn't have said it better myself. @billy1263 let's presume for a minute that you're right and everything in the video is false; in other words, that teachers are paid too much, get a free pension, aren't held accountable, have tons of free time, etc. As it suggested in the video, WHY AREN'T YOU A TEACHER? You haven't gotten a raise, pay for your healthcare, yada yada yada...quit your job and come be a teacher. But you won't, because deep down you know how wrong you are.
drstevil3 11 months ago 2
@ragsfan My wife was a teacher and I know how the system works. Now that she does not work for the BOE I can make comments like this and she ONLY worked 5½ hours a day...She graded papers while the kids read what the BOE class plan said (prep for the standardized testing) she didn't teach... No one teaches any more...Instructional materials? The school made the kids bring that stuff in... I won't fall for the poor teacher speech ...But any way have a nice day...
billy1263 9 months ago
@billy1263 You know very few real teachers. It's pretty arrogant of you to assume that because that's what your wife did, all teachers do the same.
I teach foreign language and I have four levels of students. Sometimes I have more than one level in each class. Neither your wife nor you could manage to do one WEEK of that, let alone the 13 years I've been teaching. Nice try, though.
ragsfan 9 months ago
@billy1263 I'll fall for it. If your spouse really only worked for under 6 hours a day as a teacher, I'm sorry, but she she was a poor one. You're probably a lot better off, at least emotionally, now that she's gotten into a line of work that she's qualified to do.
droslovinia 1 month ago
@ragsfan Teachers only work five and a half hours a day like the clergy only works two days a week, pro athletes only work one, and movie stars only work for a couple of hours on a film. If you really believe any of that, you're too willfully ignorant for teaching to do you much good.
droslovinia 1 month ago
@cptphilb So we're not ok with auto workers making a decent wage, but we're not going to address the exorbitant salaries made by CEOs, Tiger Woods, or Charlie Sheen? The rich can keep on getting richer but the rest of America has to take a pay cut? Obscene is A-Rod making $500 million for failing 7 out of 10 times, AND THAT'S WHEN HE'S CHEATING! But if you're ok with the end of the middle class, let's keep buying those Yankee tickets while the working man goes under.
drstevil3 11 months ago
Offering a teacher merit pay in the hopes of improving test scores is like offering a doctor more money to work harder so his/her patients won't die. It's ridiculous to believe either professional isn't working their hardest under the circumstances they are given.
Also - city teachers get no health care benefits after they retire. They all have to go on medicare. Some people believe we are covered for life. Untrue!
Thanks for this spectactuar video.
0TheEdgyVeggie 11 months ago
ALso in CA teachers are not in the social security system, they only have their pension which they contribute to.
williamhubbard 11 months ago
I believe I am being attacked.. and thankfully, this video just confirmed me that somewhere around the world, other teachers share a similar threat as well.. it is sad actually, truly a moment of grief... to note that teachers are getting 'bullied' for the work they do so nobly right; educating the future generation. It is a shame to see other teachers try to escape this dilemma by working in other sector well their rights are catered for and respected....
lordcrazex 11 months ago
Thank you so much for making this video. I'm on my way to becoming a teacher and the constant flurry of negative criticism which continues to spit upon our wonderful profession is pushing me to the brink of lunacy. Teachers have built this nation. How could you read the text on this very website without the aid of a teacher? My father's been a teacher for 27 years and with each passing day he makes a difference in some young person's life. I hope to do the same thing.
Jeepyismylove 11 months ago 3
Bravo! Good work! I retired early because I was fed up!
TedLane 1 year ago 2
@TedLane And I'm about to retire due to the same reason. I've given half my life to my "kids," and I get beat up for it at every turn. I've had *enough!*
msdbkrous 11 months ago
@msdbkrous me too, there are a lot of us
aussiedawgz1 11 months ago
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T IN EDUCATION: If you think merit pay based on test scores is a good idea, let me remind you that these tests are becoming increasingly unfair. The tests for K/1st grade are downright DEVELOPMENTALLY INAPPROPRIATE because of ridiculously high standards that are beyond the reach of most students, willing or not. ARE WE ONLY TRAINING STUDENTS TO GO TO HARVARD AND CREATE DERIVATIVES ON WALL STREET? That doesn't serve the needs of taxpayers OR children.
drstevil3 1 year ago 5
Thank you!!! That was so true!!!!
mizonglohong 1 year ago
@mizonglohong Thank you for the comment and keep spreading the word!
drstevil3 1 year ago
Public unions didn't establish a 5 day work week, private ones did. Public unions were established as a political tactic in the late 50's/early 60's to give dems more power. Unfortunately, for the public unions, they became too successful. By using their dues and influence, they have set up pension deals and health benefits that is unsustainable financially, and far exceeding the private sector. In doing so,public unions have put their members in a position where they make sad vids like this
link77sonic 1 year ago
@link77sonic Private unions you say? I like private unions, too. Just can't seem to find them around anymore. Maybe when we allowed the private unions to be broken, that's when the middle class started to take a slide. Yes, I'm sure that strong private unions wouldn't have allowed jobs to be shipped overseas. Sounds like the wealthy got too powerful. I'm thinking it'll get worse for everyone if the wealthy kill public unions, too. Too bad half of the middle class doesn't get that.
drstevil3 1 year ago 5
@drstevil3 There are fewer and fewer private unions in the "private" sector, as they are not needed...and people see when the union has priced them right out of work, and their job goes overseas...As the union leadership, with the 6 figure plus salaries, just walk away....example: auto workers who are paid in wages and benefits exhorbitant sums for........unskilled labor...it's obscene!
cptphilb 11 months ago
@drstevil3 Summer vacation? Is that what they call the two months out of the year I worked painting houses and waiting tables to try and make up for my lack of income during the school year? I never had a vacation in the summer when I was a teacher. Ever. I always HAD to take on one or MORE summer jobs, just to be able to continue paying rent in the subsidized, low-income housing for which we were well qualified on the pittance I was paid while teaching.
photodharma 1 year ago 4
I quit teaching, and made 3 times as much $ in the private sector. This is pretty well the norm. With the same education and training, teachers will make 3 times as much in other industries. It's ridiculous to ever state that they're overpaid.
photodharma 1 year ago 12
@photodharma Thank you for pointing that out. This, of course, is to say nothing of the importance of the role of teachers in this country. We're doing more good than Tiger Woods, Charlie Sheen, or Martha Stewart could ever do. Why aren't people screaming about how overpaid these people are? Oh, by the way, one's a womanizer, one's a drug addict, and one's a thief. Good thing we're paying them millions of dollars for the important work they do.
drstevil3 1 year ago 5
@drstevil3
If that is truly the case (which I find doubtful and ludicrous), then why even have teachers in the first place? Clearly they are unneeded and ineffective.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
Three reasons for you: one, to make sure that the students whose parents care have guidance. They want to learn, you just point them in the right direction. Even mediocre teachers are good at this. Second, to try DESPERATELY to help the students who don't care and whose parents don't care. Even excellent teachers will fail at this many times. We can't do it for them! Third, to teach those who are truly disabled but who are held to the same standard as everyone else. Totally unfair.
drstevil3 1 year ago
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GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@drstevil3
Why do middle and high school teachers need tenure? Are you guys publishing controversial research? Every teach I have had that was even close to tenure had checked out years ago- because they could.
Also, I'd be rowing my boat wherever I thought made the most sense instead of blinding following the hive mind.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
Most guys working 9-5 (a privilege bestowed upon them by unions) "checked out years ago". Besides, can you blame some teachers for not caring when their students and the students' parents don't care? I've seen excellent tenured teachers and excellent non-tenured teachers. Maybe it's not that your teachers checked out; maybe you just expected them to magically learn everything for you. There's a lot of that going around these days, too.
drstevil3 1 year ago
@drstevil3
I rarely get satisfactory materials in my job either. The data I receive to do my analysis on is always flawed or insufficient in some way. You make the most out of what you have. Any improvement (see VALUE ADDED STATS) I can add I do.
As a teacher part of your job is to get kids excited about learning. Clearly you are failing.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
So you're saying a child MUST be excited in order to learn? You obviously weren't taught by any Catholic disciplinarians. I had many teachers who I downright FEARED who got me to learn. Every teacher is different. The one common thread that unites successful students is parents who care. Someone who does data analysis for a living should be the last person skirting the most relevant data in educational success rates.
drstevil3 1 year ago 3
@drstevil3
So what? Maybe I have a more useful college education / major. You also get much more vacation time than I do, and (despite what you would like everyone to believe) have much more job security than most. That lack of risk as well as other intangibles lowers your market value. Sorry about your luck.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
That was three and a half minutes I'm never getting back. But I'll take your test since you were obviously unable to come up with the correct answers:
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83
Are teachers overpaid? Some are, some aren't. The truly great teachers are underpaid. However, the incentive structure for teachers is misaligned with promoting quality teachers. Public teachers don't make less than their private counterparts. Every person I've talked to (and I have a few friends that are teachers) have told me that private schools pay less than public schools. The reason? More teachers want to teach at private schools because the kids/parents are ...
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83 easier to deal with. Higher supply drives down the salary.
For the 5% or so that most teachers kick in for their defined benefit plan it would be the equivalent of a private employer kicking in an extra 13% and guaranteeing a 6% annual yield. Not many 401(k)s do that. In fact, none do, at least at that cost.
Do you know what happens when my employer is broke- like what has happened at a lot of places over the last two years? I don't get a raise, I don't get a bonus, ...
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83 I get laid off, etc. etc. Welcome to the real world.
Nice ploy to try to deflect the argument about teachers' worth by turning it into class warfare. Give me a break.
There is little incentive for young quality teachers (or any teacher) because those talents are not recognized. You can't simply pay everyone more and hope to attract better talent. You have to pay quality people.
Again with the class warfare. Pathetic.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83
Charter schools are an imperfect solution to the problem of lack of school choice. Why should I be forced to send my children to whatever local school is in my school district? What if that school is terrible?
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83
It's very easy to measure a teacher of a special ed student, honors class, etc. You use value added statistics. If a kid comes in dumb and leaves less dumb you've done your job, if not you have failed. If there is a recurring pattern of failure you should not be a teacher. You could also audit classrooms, speak to parents, speak to teachers, set goals and standards for excellence...
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83
Again, it doesn't have to be a perfect solution (because nothing ever is) but if every other industry can figure out by and large who the better employees are then there is no reason why teachers can't do the same.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
Really? Is that why guys who created derivatives and sub-prime mortgages and collapsed financial companies got enormous bonuses last year? And the year before? And the year before? How about people who get ahead because of who they know? How about people who connive their way to the top? Step on the toes of their colleagues? Oh yeah, getting ahead in private industry is all about "better employees".
drstevil3 1 year ago
@GlassOnion83 I'm going to start with your merit pay argument. You are clearly not a teacher, or you are a teacher who is unfamiliar with the limitless research which tells us that the greatest factor in predicting a student's success or failure is parental involvement and expectations. Does having a good teacher help? Yes. But the cold hard fact is that children who want to learn how to read, and their parents want them to learn how to read, are going to learn how to read.
drstevil3 1 year ago
There's very little a teacher cannot achieve with a student who's parents care about his education. Just like there are mediocre doctors, mediocre lawyers, and mediocre people in every walk of life, there are mediocre teachers. But you don't have to be a great teacher to reach a kids who's parents care. So once again, I fail to see how it's SOLELY the responsibility of the teacher to take interest in a child's education if HIS OWN PARENTS DON'T CARE.
drstevil3 1 year ago
@drstevil3
The difference is poor doctors, lawyers, etc. are eventually flushed out of the system. Poor teachers are not.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
Every teacher gets evaluated each year multiple times. The procedure for removal is in place. If an administrator sees a need, they have the means to remove a poor teacher, provided it is well-documented. By the way, the protection working Americans have to not be fired without cause comes from unions like ours. Show some respect.
drstevil3 1 year ago
To hold the teacher financially accountable under these circumstances is ludicrous. When you talk about taking a child who's, as you put it, "dumb" and holding a teacher solely accountable for making him, as you put it, "less dumb", you have overlooked the fact that the process of becoming "less dumb" hinges greatly on PERSONAL MOTIVATION. I am an expert motivator when it comes to my students, but because of the circumstances they bring to school, I am not able to reach all of them.
drstevil3 1 year ago
I don't know what industry you're in, but I'm going to pretend you're an automobile manufacturer (because of your reference to Ford). You purchase steel from a company to make your cars. The steel is no good. What do you do? You get rid of that steel and you start buying from another supplier. In other words, you replace raw material that is no good with material that is good. As the video suggests, CAN TEACHERS DO THAT? When do we ever get to SELECT which kids we're going to teach?
drstevil3 1 year ago
In the private sector, if you can't do your job despite satisfactory raw materials, you're held accountable. But you want teachers, who almost NEVER have satisfactory raw materials, to be held accountable in the same way? Don't forget that even talented students today are more interested in entertainment and technology than they are in education. That is an 8-ball that we are stuck behind before we even walk into the classroom.
drstevil3 1 year ago
Now let me address your COMPLETE AND UTTER MISINTERPRETATION of the term "private industry counterparts." NOTE THE WORD "INDUSTRY". NOT EDUCATION. We aren't talking about PRIVATE SCHOOL TEACHERS. We are paid less, given our college degree, than people who work in private industry. Whatever your starting salary was with a college degree, it was better than mine. And I graduated Magna Cum Laude. I didn't "fall back" on teaching. I could be doing anything at all, but I CHOSE TO TEACH.
drstevil3 1 year ago
@drstevil3
And, you are only underpaid if you only take into account 'take home' pay. If you also include all of your rich pension/health/dental benefits you are certainly doing much better than you'd like to admit.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
You're making this about what I have and you don't, as if I'm not working hard. TEACHERS WORK HARD FOR A LIVING. At no point in this dialogue have I suggested that you don't work hard, but you presume to KNOW that I'm a lazy, overpaid, over-entitled teacher because you claim to have had teachers like that. And just so we're clear, these "RICH" benefits we receive? YOU DESERVE THEM, TOO. I didn't give you substandard benefits. Point that finger at the wealthy and powerful where it belongs.
drstevil3 1 year ago 2
@drstevil3 Yes. When I taught, I was up at 4:30 am making lesson plans for two hours, got to school at 7:30am, worked with students until 3:30, stayed preparing the room, arranging stuff for the next day or grading until 4:30, went home and graded more papers, did research, made plans until 12am, and got up the next at 4:30 am and did it all over again. I was working more than 80 hrs/wk. I did the math. With the $ I brought home, was making c. $3.30/hr. I no longer teach.
photodharma 1 year ago
@drstevil3 It appears GlassOnion83's contempt is based on the reality that public education is NOT a free market enterprise. For some libertarians, *any* endeavor that's evaluated and judged by means other than their sacred free market principals is *flawed* and unworthy of their energy. Outcomes in public education result from investments made by a COMMUNITY. Contemporary libertarians (I call them glibertarians) are so averse to community enterprise, they seem to reflexively dismiss it.
beulahmo 11 months ago
Lastly, your take on the real world in your private industry is the SAME as a teacher's reality. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET OFF THINKING TEACHERS DON'T GET LAID OFF. When the money runs out, we get canned, too. ALL OF OUR NON-TENURED TEACHERS were laid off last year. The problem is that you think our reality is better than yours; that we're entitled. If you didn't have that misapprehension, maybe you'd see that we're all in the same boat and you need to row with us instead of against us.
drstevil3 1 year ago
I find it fascinating that, among the negative comments, I find grammatical, usage and spelling errors. You're right, people. We don't need to pay teachers well. We're already so smart.
drstevil3 1 year ago 14
@drstevil3 The old "Scapegoat" ploy. Guess that you've never heard "ANY" politician, reporter, or even a singer who can make a mistake when speaking to the public. Check out videos on here (YouTube) for our "National Anthem" just a few weeks ago for the Super Bowl. I looked and I didn't see you make "One" comments on how smart teachers after that. You need to pick another battle.
sawsawsaw3 1 year ago
@sawsawsaw3 Again, you're not speaking the same English that I do.
"I looked and I didn't see you make 'One' comments on how smart teachers after that."
I don't know what this is supposed to mean because it isn't a coherent sentence. Once again, you're going to find it hard to garner support for your arguments if you can't make sense. This is why teachers are important. Thank you for furthering our cause...again.
drstevil3 1 year ago
Neither pro DEM or REP but always vote. Lost a $65,000 engineering job to workers overseas. Current employer said "These are the benefits you GET". Wish I could have been able negotiated either. Now working for a less pay and benefits. Let teachers should have the same treatment. Oh they can't . You know why, Job security. Please have any teacher give the name of a school that has gone overseas, just one. We'll negotiate from there. "WALKER FOR PRESIDENT". Chalange me you crying babies.
sawsawsaw3 1 year ago
Come "Teachers" still looking for a schools name that's gone overseas????????????????????
sawsawsaw3 1 year ago
@sawsawsaw3 So you got screwed by the rich and powerful out of salary/benefits that YOU DESERVED, and your solution is to hope that other people who are just like you get screwed, too? Shouldn't you be standing with a picket sign alongside us demanding the same rights we have? BTW I've been teaching 9 years and am still nowhere near making $65k. Walker as president would just give your boss more ways to screw you. Take your finger and point it at the wealthy where it belongs.
drstevil3 1 year ago 3
Excuse me, not trying to get back at you for what happened to me but "JUST" asking you to be able to "MAN ENOUGH" (just a figure of speech) to deal with what the average American tied to the manufacturing industry has encountered. Trust me, there are more of us than you out there. Secondly, I never made a comparison on pay did "I", no. Get what your given.
sawsawsaw3 1 year ago
@sawsawsaw3 - I'd love to read your job performance reviews. Many engineers I've worked with teach evening classes at community colleges. Some quit engineering to become teachers in public schools, as have some physicists, chemists and other professionals in our school system here in Ohio. Instead of taking it "like a man", you bitch about what the next guy is getting. How pathetic. Why aren't you bitching about Charlie Sheen. Tiger Woods and LeBron James?
Mooncut 1 year ago
@Mooncut Thanks for helping me to make this point clear to sawsawsaw3. No teacher or other public employee has EVER rooted for private sector workers to have their jobs shipped overseas. We're all middle class and we're all in this together. Very few people in the private sector seem to understand that the benefits they have are all products of unions advancing the middle class. 8-hour workday, 2-day weekend, healthcare at work, safety standards, can't be fired without cause...
drstevil3 1 year ago
@drstevil3
Give it up with your collectivist bullshit. You know what else? 100 years ago Henry Ford build a bunch of nice cars. That doesn't mean I should go out and buy a Ford today. Unions have, in general, overstayed their welcome.
GlassOnion83 1 year ago
@sawsawsaw3 Oh, yeah, and "Chalange" is spelled "challenge" in case you are wondering. You're right, let's pay teachers crap and take their benefits, because we clearly don't need to be better educated in this country. And we're not crying. It's called advocacy. Union members stand up for their rights. I only wish we could have stood up for yours, too. Maybe we'll still get that chance.
drstevil3 1 year ago 2
@sawsawsaw3 What the hell makes you think the rest of us want to live in your crab bucket.*
*Google it if you've never heard of the 'crab bucket.'
Your envy and spite will earn you what you deserve, jackass.
beulahmo 1 year ago
@beulahmo It's not just the grammar, spelling and usage errors. It's the swearing that's common among the nay-sayers and haters of those who teach the future leaders of our great nation. "The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it."
George Washington
Guess you didn't pay attention to this lesson in school.... :>(
msdbkrous 11 months ago
@msdbkrous You're lashing out at a fellow educator for using the word "jackass" when addressing a critic who calls us "crying babies" because we're not quietly accepting compensation cuts and pink slips?? And you use a George Washington quote to insinuate that I have no sense of character? You're a piece of work. Suits me fine, frankly. I don't need you as an ally -- your judgment stinks! Save your sanctimonious crap for someone haughty enough (like you) to give a damn.
beulahmo 11 months ago
@beulahmo What I am saying, beulahmo, is that we can make a strong, and VALID point, without the vulgarity!
I am certain that you do so everyday in class --at least I *hope* you do so!
I did not mean to offend fellow educators. But, my point stands.
msdbkrous 11 months ago
@msdbkrous Grow up
aussiedawgz1 11 months ago
finally the truth
Learn your lesson teachers!!
You are under attack
FIGHT BACK
MultiSavings 1 year ago
I see comments of mine and those of my colleagues being flagged as spam and removed. If this continues to happen, I will be removing all negative comments about this video. No one has removed these comments, despite their total lack of substance, yet the retorts which do have substance are being sabotaged. Keep it up, and the negative comments get the boot.
drstevil3 1 year ago
This is the gayest vid on Youtube. I'm a union Operating engineer, I can't support someone that makes 70 grand for 8 months of work and cries.
germantown84 1 year ago
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mayayc007 1 year ago
@germantown84
the fact that you used the word "gayest" speaks for your intellect, and you call yourself an engineer? What can't you support? that you needed teachers to LEARN your trade? or were you Einstein and somehow taught yourself? Please refrain from commenting especially when they have no substance, depth, or meaning. Try coming back with real facts then maybe we'll be open for discussion.
btw no one is crying here--maybe just a little respect ..
mayayc007 1 year ago
@germantown84 Standing up for one's rights and expecting to be treated fairly is not crying. Nothing about this video is gay; you must be using that word in a derogatory manner. Very classy. We have school for 180 days a year...but that's not where the job begins and ends. Do you know how much work and preparation it takes before and after those classes take place? The median salary for a teacher is $50k...with a college degree. Do you have a college degree? How much do you make?
drstevil3 1 year ago
More teleprompter than Obama.
32gep79 1 year ago
@AOglassjaws & @pernongra: perhaps you should take daviscd1's advice and go visit a school. Not some suburban palace, but an inner city school where the roof is leaking. Go see what teachers there are dealing with. Then maybe you'll be qualified to make critical comments that also have bearing on this issue, rather than criticisms that carry no weight at all.
drstevil3 1 year ago
I haven't seen a youtube video this funny since seeing Hans Moleman take a football to the groin.
AOglassjaws 1 year ago
This video is amazingly stupid.
pernongra 1 year ago
...and we are required to refine and improve our practice by continuing our education. No tuition reimbursement here. And no matter how much education we have (doctorate included) our salary tops out.
Come visit a school... a classroom. We do what we do because our desire it to educate children. We continue to waddle through the bureaucracy and sludge in order to reach kids.
daviscd1 1 year ago 2
THANK YOU! Thank you so much for making this. We really need more people like you. It's a great video.
LadyKpsu 1 year ago 2
The unambiguous truth without resorting to veiled threats and anger.
jnaatus 1 year ago
Let's not forget that many teachers all over America HAVEN'T received a raise in a year or two. Some teachers have taken pay cuts, as well. Ideally, a teacher is supposed to get a raise each year (up to a certain maximum salary; they don't just keep going up forever). Mind you, that's an attempt to compensate for the fact that we make MUCH LESS out of college than they do in the private sector, and for most of us, our raises are minimal for 10-15 years!
drstevil3 1 year ago
@drstevil3 -
THANK YOU! Thank you so much for making this. We really need more people like you. It's a great video.
LadyKpsu 1 year ago
this is great!!!! Good job, well said.
TeacherLaurin17 1 year ago
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mayayc007 1 year ago
Why do public employees need a union? To use union money to fund political campaigns.
link77sonic 1 year ago
@link77sonic @linkSonic if you are middle class like the rest of America is, you should know that the unions have bestowed on your middle class life an 8-hour workday, 2-day weekend, safety standards at work, health care available through work, a decent wage, and the protection from being fired without cause..
mayayc007 1 year ago
nice
brownbucks 1 year ago
nice
brownbucks 1 year ago
WOO!
Keianakeditt923 1 year ago
Great job. Very persuasive.
cs272 1 year ago
Fantastic! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
susmurphy 1 year ago
Excellent job!! A+!! I'm PROUD to be your colleague and PROUD to teach the children of Jersey City! Colleen Kelleher MS#4
colkelleher 1 year ago 3
Note: The opinions expressed in this video are solely those of the participants and not necessarily those of any educational entity or organization.
drstevil3 1 year ago 2