lol "I lost count...peace!" Important, the Algerian ones were shown, people don't understand that there are light berbers / Bedouin (sometimes tanned) and dark berbers / Haratine (Hamiyar or born dark), and that before the Spanish/Portuguese/Ottoman rule, the "black/white" class distinction of N.Africa was reversed. DNA and craniums say south Morocco, S. Algeria (Ahaggar), S. Libya (Chadic), and of course Mauritania (Haratine) people of today ruled then...thus the crowns, sculptures, and seals.
@Bulllseye2012 Shakespeare knew the Moors were black when he wrote Othello the Moor of Venice; Rembrandt knew they were black in his painting 'The Two Moors' ; In the French epic known as the Song of Roland the Moors are described as "blacker than ink". There is art work and artifacts all over Europe that illustrate moors as dark skinned black people - coins, statues, paintings and coat of arms. White people have been white washing history forever. Even portraying Christ as a European...Lol
Continued...Count De Volney etc have been saying for years. Its similar to the Dogon tribe having detailed knowledge of our universe/ outside our universe and Sirius B star. Modern Astronomers confirmed its existence in the early 70's yet the Dogon had this knowledge for thousands of years.
@Bulllseye2012 Creating stereotypes about Sub-Saharan Africa. When the people of this region are the most diverse and all African civilizations started in Sub-Sahara. This can all be read in Robert Bauval Book: Black Genesis. He is saying what Chiekh Anta Diop, Dr Henrik Clarke, Dr Yosef Ben Jochannan, J.A. Rogers, G.M. James, Chancellor Williams.....
The original name of Egypt itself is known as Kemet (land of the black people). Which was later corrupted by the Greeks.
Solon the Greek once said, you could have a book with 1,000 pages and would not be able to fit all the Greeks that studied at the feet of the Egyptians.
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect, the etymological meaning of "Moor" means black. Again Moor was synonymous with Negro during the Shakespearan era. What? Queen Elizabeth couldnt tell the difference between an Arab and a African? lol. Thats like saying a Greeks/Romans didnt know the complexion of black. Copy their form of civilization and discount their first hand accounts of what a Moor or Egyptian looked like. Lol you really earned the title of court juster for this channel bullseye.
Indeed the head of an Ethiopian the old Greek word for Negro. The Word Moor originates from the Phoenician word for westerner. In LATE Greek, Moor meant Dark, however they had a Word for Negro, Ethiopian. Trying to attach a meaning for dark without reference to physical characteristics is going to get you nowhere. Which is why they used the Term Moor, for Muslim Indians.
You can use all the "word play", semantics and red herrings you want.
You cant get around it. First the "The head of the Ethiopia" comes from LATIN not Greek. Moor comes from the Greek Mauros which means black. Ethiopia comes from the Greek Aethiopia which means burnt faces.
"Thats like saying a Greeks/Romans didnt know the complexion of black."
Yes its funny that you should mention that
"Greeks and Romans, well acquainted with their contemporaries, differentiated between the various gradations of color in Mediterranean populations and made it clear that only some of the black- or dark-skinned peoples, those coming from the south of Egypt and the southern fringes of northwest Africa, were Ethiopians, i.e. Negroes."
"Ethiopians, known as the blackest peoples on earth, became the yardstick by which classical authors measured the color of others. In first century AD, Manilius described Ethiopians as the blackest; Indians, less sunburnt; Egyptians, mildly dark; with Moors the lightest in this color scheme."
Each symbol within the Arms has a meaning. Now you cite what a Black Head in a coat of arms means? Your find it in an Heraldic Reference.
The question isn’t that there were no Black Moors at all during the middle ages, they are in the artwork. The problem comes when Afrocentrics claim that they were just Black! Clearly they were not
@Bulllseye2012 Lol, so the Shakespearean writers were wrong? Your delusions keep you from reality
Heraldic References:H. Kennedy, Muslim Spain and Portugal: A Political History"
Alfonso X described the invading soldiers of the 13th: "All the Moorish soldiers were dressed with silk and black wool that had been forcibly acquired… their black faces were like pitch and the most handsome of them was like a cooking pan."
@Bulllseye2012 The portrait of Mulay al-Rashid (or "Mulay Arsheid Zeriff" in the US National Portrait Gallery), the founder of the current Alaouite dynasty of Morocco, and conclude he was a black African. As far as Moulay-Ismail, this is how Mulay al-Rashid was described at the time: "He is of middle size; his face is long and thin; his beard, forked, his color, black with a mark near the nose" - Abbé Busnot, Histoire de Regne de Mouley Ismael, Roven, 1714
@Bulllseye2012 Adolph Bloch said, in a presentation to the French Anthropology Society in 1896, entitled “Sur des races noires indigènes qui existaient anciennement dans l’afrique septentrionale” (On native black races which existed formerly in northern Africa):
On native black races which existed formerly in northern Africa):
Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
@Bulllseye2012 "The race which gave birth to the Moroccans can be no other than the African negroes because the same black type [...] is found all the way to Senegal upon the right bank of the river without counting that it has been recognized in various parts of the Sahara [...] and from there comes black Moors who still have thick lips as a result of negro descent and not from intermixture.
@Bulllseye2012 You are asking what does a Black Head on a Moorish Coat of Arms means. It means black Nobility if they have a crown. Military if they have a headband and conquered if their eyes are covered
@Bulllseye2012 They were just black, if they changed they would have changed the Coat of Arms Symbols. Are you telling me your people are that lazy that if they take over they would not burn all the Coat of Arms with Africans emblazoned on them? What was the first thing the Allied Forces did in Germany after its capture???? Destroy all forms of authority, flags being the first. The conquerors always display their flag and destroy the enemies. So your argument holds not water.
1)From the late 14th Cent French word from the Latin for those that lived in northern Algeria and Morocco.
2)Which in turn comes from the Greek word Mauros a natives name else it is from the late Greek word mauros "black" however they are not talking about Negroes because they had a word for them Ethiopian. So it could be both, but in any case they are darker then the Greeks. So What.
@Bulllseye2012 The Greeks referred to all blacks as Ethiopians and became Mauros for black later. Negro is a European construct that does not exist. So your argument does not hold water.
So what? Mauros means black thats what, and Moor is derived from Mauros.
Have we established by an Heraldic Site what the significant of Negroes heads are in North European, Late Medieval period coats of arms yet? Because one thing is certain not all Moors were Black. :)
Neither the An introduction to the Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum, or the Seated Scribe in the louve or Rahotep & Nofret are from the Ptolemy period nor are they Black.
"The Greeks referred to all blacks as Ethiopians"
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Its not going to Make the Ancient Libyan in Seti I tomb or the Moorish Ambassador to Elizabeth the first BLACK! Nor is it going to increase the number of Blacks either in the Mosaics of North Africa or The Book of Games.
3) In the middle ages in North Europe it becomes linked to Negroes, but we know that it must be later then 14th cent as that is when the word comes into the lexicon & meant Berber.
4)Then in the Renaissance and 17th cent, it comes to means a Muslim ie Arabs, Persians and Indians
@1eternalcosmos Robert Bauval Crank Hahahahahahahahahah Dr Yosef Ben Made up qualifications Hahahahahahahaha J.A. Rogers Unqualified Jamaican peasant Dr Henrik Clarke Bought a doctorate from an unaccredited University Hahahahahaha
"Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans."
@Bulllseye2012 You are referring to the Ptolemy. By then Egypt was in decline, funny how the Greeks and Romans took on the customs and ceremonies of the conquered Egypt. Since when does and conqueror do that? Pre-Dynasty, Early Dynastic and Middle Kingdoms were black.
@Bulllseye Lol they are in the Coat of Arms...lol. You can clearly seen all the Moors on Moorish Coat of Arms are black hued. Are you blind or delusional?
Right well there are two things going on here first of all you’ve not cited where your citing that from. The other is the erroneous assumption upon your part that the Egyptians were Black, which is why you mention it. And unlike you I can cite what the Egyptians & Greeks level of understanding was, if you so wish to go down that road?
" there are many tribes that hold the original features of the european"
Fine so your Argument is Caucasian features are indigenous to Africa, so the Berbers & Ancient Egyptians are in fact African Caucasians and the findings that King tut was a North African Caucasian fits in with your view. Well thanks for the admission
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect there are many tribes that hold the original features of the european such as the Ethiopians, Somalians, Eritreans, Djiboutians et etc. African is the blueprint of humanity.
@Bulllseye2012 You can attempt to counter all my statements but that does not change the fact that Moorish Coat of Arms have never been emblazoned with a European or an Arab....only Africans. Slaves with crowns on their heads??? Lol
1) You have given your opinion, you have not cited any valid source(s)
2) Hannibal was a Moor and decimated 70,000 Romans in 6 hours at the battle of Cannae, his military strategy /techniques are taught across the world...such as the "double envelopment" technique. This gave rise to the term "battle of annihilation"
3) Black Africa is an oxymoron, "there are many phenotypes and hues on the continent of Africa, which has 55 states and 61 territories. Your question is absurd.
The Exhibition was called “An introduction to the Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum” uploaded upon the Tube by the British Museum if you disagree with that then go on their pg and tell them that they are wrong!
4) give an heraldic site, that gives the exact meaning of Black Heads in heraldic devices.
5) If the Egyptians were Black then how comes the Exhibition at the British Museum of “The Book of the Dead” uploaded by them on the tube, show that they were not Black.
6) How comes the CT scan of king Tut showed he was a North African Caucasian.
4) Why don t you research the Vatican's website which explains your Pope Benedict's Coat of Arms that is emblazoned with an African King with a crown
5) Are you being serious? The present inhabitants of Kemet (Egypt) are the descendants of invaders and occupiers, such as the Greek, Persian, Ottoman, Mamlukes, Arabs etc. The Egyptians themselves state where they came from in the Papyrus of Hunefer. Its not called the Book of the Dead, that is a name given by the European.
5 )The Proper name is "The Book of the Forthcoming. History has taught he world of the destructive and deceptive ways of the European. Such a slaughtering entire Peoples, claiming civilization that does not belong to them and looting the planet. You really expect them to tell the truth. Lol.
6) North African Caucasian? All physical human attributes were born on the African continent such as blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, blond hair in East and West African tribes; narrow features in East Africa, Epicanthic fold (Asian Eyes) in the South African Khoisan and Dinka tribes. The African continent is the blueprint of humanity, science has proved that.
The Papyrus of Hunefer was made by the Egyptian Priest Hunefer, if you read it, you would know where the Egyptians originated instead of using red-herrings arguments.
Dr Ben has made many achievements in his life time about our people, have respect.
OK then mouth tell us what a black head on coats of arms means then?
I mean, given that you claim that Moors were all Black ie Negroes then what did they do? Because I can find not a jot for Black Moors other then being the lowest Caste in that Society. There’s nothing, and I mean nothing from them! No Scientist no Mathematicians, when it comes to Black Moors they are a cultural desert.
Shakespeare does not say that he was a Negro. However as you have mentioned him, the play is believed to be based upon the Moorish ambassador to Queen Elisabeth the first.
And he was not a Negro. You only have to look at Alfonso X book of games back in the 13th cent, to see how few Blacks Moors there were there.
@Bulllseye2012 You are a fool the word negro and Moor were interchangeable during the time of the Shakespeare writers. Everyone knows that.....OTHELLO.
So don’t try and read anything just about nobility in coats of arms, you could work your way up the Class system and end up with a Coat of Arms or being in a common Trade & that Trade Guild have a coat of Arms. :)
So you had better have something more then Just coats of Arms to Go upon
@Bulllseye2012 Coat of Arms is the topic of discussion. Its not my fault you don't have the proof to back of your claims. A Moorish Coat of Arms in Europe has only depicted a black man until this day, which would be Pope Benedicts Coat of Arms. There has never been a European or an Arab on a Moorish Coat of Arms when the Moors ruled and were feared in Europe.
@Bulllseye2012 The Black head on the Moorish Coat of Arms represents a family. I've told you this a hundred enough times but you keep circling like a dog chasing its tail.
@Bulllseye2012 YouTube the following Coat of Arms: Ratzinger (Pope Benedict), Coburg Bavaria, Freising, Milberg, Cesar Berthier, Eisenberg, Capitignano-Stemma, Pastetten, Woerth, Eching Wappen, Ismaning, Mittenwald, Huisheim, Landkreis Freising, Landkreis Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Skofja Loka, Unterfohring, Zolling, Fahrenzhausen, Flag of Sardinia, Coat of Arms of Sardinia, Sardaigne, Uettingen, Vico, Etienne Poncher. They say a picture is worth a thousand words
Where it is referred to as the head of an Ethiopian, which is an old term for Negro & not the genric term for a Moor, who were a mix of people. It still would not alter the fact that Black Moors were at the bottom of the social pile and remain so.
@Bulllseye2012 Quote "In the dexter corner (to the left of the person looking at it) is a Moor's head in natural colour [caput Aethiopum] (brown) with red lips, crown and collar. This is the ancient emblem of the Diocese of Freising, founded in the eighth century, which became a Metropolitan Archdiocese with the name of München und Freising in 1818, subsequent to the Concordat between Pius VII and King Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria (5 June 1817).
@Bulllseye2012 Negro is a term created by the european to describe conquered Moors as a dead vessel, it comes from the Greek necro, which means dead. The Moors knowledge of self was taken. They were either converted to Christianity "Morisco, killed or sold as slaves with their. Yet the Ethiopians were never colonized, Mussolini tried and was shamed when Ethiopians with Guns/ horses chased his tanks out of Ethiopia
@Bulllseye2012 The Moor's head is not rare in European heraldry. It still appears today in the arms of Sardinia and Corsica, as well as in the blazons of various noble families. Italian heraldry, however, usually depicts the Moor wearing a white band around his head instead of a crown, indicating a slave who has been freed;
@Bulllseye2012 whereas in German heraldry the Moor is shown wearing a crown. The Moor's head is common in the Bavarian tradition and is known as the caput Ethiopicum or the Moor of Freising. the first fact is Hannibal Abarca was born in Carthage, a city in the continent now know as Africa.
@Bulllseye2012 Second, he was known in history as crossings the Alps with army primarily on Elephant, now let’s review the facts, Hannibal was an inhabitant of Africa and the elephant is a mammal indigenous to Africa later India.
When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."
@Bulllseye2012 After the fall of the Roman Empire (fifth century), Spain was held by a barbaric white tribe, the Visigoths. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, Spain's Jews, serfs, and slaves looked favorably upon the arrival of a new civilization in which they would be able to live free of persecution.
@Bulllseye2012 Tarik, a great African King, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.
@Bulllseye2012 The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. Later in the century, the cave dwellers would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain.
@Bulllseye2012 The Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba, Seville, and Granada prove conclusively that these cities were more prosperous and artistically more brilliant than any Christian cities in Europe at the time. The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization when the rest of Europe was plunged in barbaric ignorance. Now why does a Pope Benedict have a Moor on his coat of arms???
@Bulllseye2012 You're comprehension level is rock bottom. The word Moor was removed from the Moorish identity and became esoteric and replaced with Negro. Shakespearean writers used Moor interchangeably with Negro...Othello etc :) The term Moor is used interchangeably with Negro on the HBO series True Blood. Wake-up.... Hollywood knows the truth, you don't.
YES i've read it, during the middleages they start calling Negroes Moors, Later on they Call East Indians, Late Greek has it that it meant dark, however they had a name for Negroes they were Ethiopians. However the origin of the word comes from the Phoenician for westerner. As Professor Snowdon points out they are few blacks in the art work & only once in a poem from that region of North Africa.
@Bulllseye2012 Is that all you have? North Africa was originally a place where Europeans were traded as slaves by the Romans, it was also a Roman Military base to counteract any advance by Hannibal directly after the 2nd Punic War. You can put all the spin on it. Negro is a European word. The proper vernacular is MOOR!
"The only Moorish Coat of Arms that exist are black"
That’s it? The fact that the Moorish Ambassador to Queen Elisabeth the first was not Black and was a high ranking Moor says it all. Black Heads start to appear on coats of arms during the days of the Crusades.
@Bulllseye2012 incorrect, Moorish Coat of Arms arrived when the African Moor civilized Europe and taught whites how to create their own Coat of Arms. Additionally, Queen Elizabeth 2nd had to pay tribute to Haile Selassie I, as his lineage descends from King Solomon's.
Black Heads start to appear on coats of arms during the days of the Crusades.
@Bulllseye2012 Now that's funny, because Europeans were not even civilized when the Moors arrived, they didn't have their own Coat of arms; they were taught by the Moors. They (Moors) also taught Europeans the principles of civilization, opened 14 Universities and taught them how to bathe.
The only Moorish Coat of Arms that exist are black
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However as not every Muslim could have been Black in modern terms, so it must have been generic. In Germany it seems to be linked to the house of Hohenstaufen, Frederick II seems quite taken by some of the Black Moors or Blackamoors left in Sicily.
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect again, the word Moor predates the word Muslim. The oldest tribe on the African continent are known as the Khoisan. The are light brown in color. Don't even try to tell me Africans have the same color, because Africa has a sea of color ranging from light brown to jet black.
Note left because they were the lowest of the low. Nether the less they were still Moors, just low caste. Further I can cite that they are the lowest caste & I can also list who did what & when.
@Bulllseye2012 You're argument is moot. Moors didn't have a caste system. They had a class system, like the modern world does. I can list the lowest classes of white demographics in old and modern Europe. It doesn't change anything. Civilization in old Europe did not reward lower classes and certainly did not put them on Coat of Arms in that era.
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect, Ethiopia is relatively new to to the region. Abyssinia and Kush are Ancient. The original meaning of negro meant dead vessel. Again this was done by Europeans to hide the true origins of the Moors. Coat of Arms represent a family in Old Europe. Most Moorish Coat of Arms in Europe depict an African with a Crown for King, Headband for Military ruler. If the eyes are covered it means the family was defeated in war.
"All physical human attributes were born on the African continent such as blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, blond hair in East and West African tribes;"
Dude I can cite the paper where those traits of Blue eyes originated. However if it your contention that Caucasoid features seen in the Egyptians originated in Africa that fine, they still wouldn’t be Black African, however they would remain Caucasians.
@Bulllseye2012 Read the study "European Skin Turned Pale Only Recently, Gene Suggests Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 years ago. The African is 3 million years old as proved by Lucy remains. Our people have always and will always be here. Black is inclusive of all color, white is excluded of all color. Africans have Albino's naturally, whites do not have blacks naturally unless the gene pool changed somewhere in the family's history.
@Bulllseye2012 Africans have the epicanthic (asian eyes) fold naturally in the Khoisan and Dinka tribes. As previously stated, all features of Humanity came from the MtDNA of the African not the European.
So your only argument here is that they have fixed it! That the British Museum is involved in one great big conspiracy! That is utter Crap and you know it.
@Bulllseye2012 Ask Zahi Hawass the original name of the "Book of the Dead", formerly known as "The Book of the Forthcoming. It was changed like Europeans changed the names of continents and cities when they came into power. The West rules through ignorance, even the Romans stated "the barbarian respects nothing. Pick up a book.
@Bulllseye2012 north african caucasian? i though caucasian are from caucasus now they from africa. good to know. and for your information the colour of the skin in the book of the dead have a spiritual meanings but if you want i can show other book of the dead found were the people are black.
@Bulllseye2012 Black is not a symbolic color, its not a color at all its a neutral because all colors come from black. The Egyptian statues, megaliths, carvings, paints etc that are black are portrayed accurately. Egyptians were known for their accuracy.
@Bulllseye2012 Here is an excerpt fromm the Vatican website: In the dexter corner (to the left of the person looking at it) is a Moor's head in natural colour [caput Aethiopum] (brown) with red lips, crown and collar. This is the ancient emblem of the Diocese of Freising, founded in the eighth century, which became a Metropolitan Archdiocese with the name of München und Freising in 1818, subsequent to the Concordat between Pius VII and King Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria (5 June 1817).
Why dont you go ahead and translate [caput Aethiopum] in Google translate. From Latin it means. The head of Ethiopia. Your own Pope knows who the Moors are and you dont :)
@TheVoodooochile Bullseye lacks the intelligence to understand that all human physical traits were born on the African continent, such the oldest African tribe the Khoisan, who are light brown with with an epicanthic fold (Asian eyes)
He forgets that Albinos were born on the African continent were pushed out and made their way north to the caucus mountains.
7) If the Egyptians did teach the Greeks everything, how comes in all the yrs of Moving Stone blocks they never came up with the idea of the Crain. Yet the Greeks did.
7) You are comparing Egyptian knowledge/ principles of civilization/ mapping of the pyramids to Orion's Belt with a Crane? Egypt is the only civilization on the planet that has not been fully understood by science, hence the word Egyptology, Pick up a book.
@Bullseye2012 Knowledge/Technology transfer has existed since the dawn of man. Egyptians taught the Greeks in peace. The Romans learned from the Greeks. In modern context, Knowledge/Technology transfer was used as a cheaper form of labor. This has turned Asian continent into an economic Power house and the African continent into the Richest continent in Resources with the fastest growing economies.
@Bulllseye2012 There is more than enough evidence that states the original Moors were Black in color. Since when do conquerors erect statutes, stone carved faces of the conquered? That has never happened in the history of man. The Moors brought the light of civilization to Europe and civilized white tribes. They taught them the principles of civilization, how to bathe, opened 14 Universities and ruled with an iron fist. Your false god of white supremacy has blinded your ability to think.
Even Beethoven was described as a Black Moor. As well as his mother: Frau Fischer, an intimate acquaintance (i.e sexual acquaintance) of Beethoven, describes him thus, "Short, stocky, broad shoulders, short neck, round nose, blackish-brown complexion." (From R. H. Schauffler, The Man Who Freed Music, Vol. I, p. 18, 1929).
THIS INFORMATION IS REAL, BLACK MUSLIM'S WHO DON'T KNOW THEY ARE MOORS NEED TO BE EXPOSED MORE TO THIS REALITY, AND STOP LOOKING UP TO THE DESERT ARAB FOR TRUTH, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO TELL YOU SO MUCH AND KEEP YOU BOXED IN THEIR WAY OF UNDERSTANDING ISLAM, THROUGH A SYSTEM THEY DEVISED, IF YOU WANT TO NO REAL ISLAM YOU NEED TO FOLLOW YOUR ROOTS AND SEE WERE IT TAKES YOU? IM OUT ALAIKUM SALAM.
The name the rock of Gibraltar was a corruption of the Spaniards for general gebel tarik's name. As Africans were being written out of history 580 years were added to the time line to graft whites onto history to give them a sense of antiquity they never had. We assume that Rome and grease were European creations but they were Mediterranean inspired nations instead because at the time there was no Europe the word Europe was no even being used.
@TheDudeReborn i give you facts, you choose to ignore them and live in a bubble. Truth is a hard pill to swallow. The word slave is derived from slav idiota!
@TheDudeReborn Incorrect, I am showing you how you have been copying my words, phrases for the last six months. Prove me wrong. Anyone can go through the post history and see that I am right.
@TheDudeReborn Whats wrong? Afraid to read the writings of Eucherius, Bishop of Lyons about The Black St. Maurice, Knight of the Holy Lance, Greatest Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire. Lol you are immersed in ignorance. Google "Saint Maurice, pictured with St Elmo Knight Commander of the famous Roman Theban Legion in the 3rd century".
@TheDudeReborn You're a fool, you cannot differentiate between folklore and written works that actually transpired. I guess the Vatican must think its folklore too. Keep living in your bubble.
@TheDudeReborn Jesus (Jeshua in Hebrew) is fact. Proven by the Bible, archeology, anthropology, history and now genetics (mapping Hebrew genetics). No diversions, most of the saints are African, white washed during the renaissance. Look at the Catacombs of Rome. The earliest depictions of Jesus show him as a black man. Mary and Jesus are black, how would they escaped Herod's wrath and flee into Egypt? if they were white they would stick out like a white man in an African village.
@TheDudeReborn Look at all the images/statues of Black Mary and Jesus in Europe. Revelations 1:14-15 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
His hair was like wool, feet were like fine brass as if burned in a furnace. Burned brass means copper. Copper is a common color amongst Africans.
They lost their status after the Christians pushed them out of Europe or converted them to Moriscos, Some reclaimed their status after colonialism.
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
lol "I lost count...peace!" Important, the Algerian ones were shown, people don't understand that there are light berbers / Bedouin (sometimes tanned) and dark berbers / Haratine (Hamiyar or born dark), and that before the Spanish/Portuguese/Ottoman rule, the "black/white" class distinction of N.Africa was reversed. DNA and craniums say south Morocco, S. Algeria (Ahaggar), S. Libya (Chadic), and of course Mauritania (Haratine) people of today ruled then...thus the crowns, sculptures, and seals.
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@Bulllseye2012 Shakespeare knew the Moors were black when he wrote Othello the Moor of Venice; Rembrandt knew they were black in his painting 'The Two Moors' ; In the French epic known as the Song of Roland the Moors are described as "blacker than ink". There is art work and artifacts all over Europe that illustrate moors as dark skinned black people - coins, statues, paintings and coat of arms. White people have been white washing history forever. Even portraying Christ as a European...Lol
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
Continued...Count De Volney etc have been saying for years. Its similar to the Dogon tribe having detailed knowledge of our universe/ outside our universe and Sirius B star. Modern Astronomers confirmed its existence in the early 70's yet the Dogon had this knowledge for thousands of years.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Creating stereotypes about Sub-Saharan Africa. When the people of this region are the most diverse and all African civilizations started in Sub-Sahara. This can all be read in Robert Bauval Book: Black Genesis. He is saying what Chiekh Anta Diop, Dr Henrik Clarke, Dr Yosef Ben Jochannan, J.A. Rogers, G.M. James, Chancellor Williams.....
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
The original name of Egypt itself is known as Kemet (land of the black people). Which was later corrupted by the Greeks.
Solon the Greek once said, you could have a book with 1,000 pages and would not be able to fit all the Greeks that studied at the feet of the Egyptians.
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@1eternalcosmos
"I want a peer reviewed article."
Sure Google
Assessment for Black Moors in Mauritania
Center for International
Development and
Conflict Management
University of Maryland
its all referenced :)
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
Everyone knows that.....OTHELLO.
For those that might being reading this Google
The portrate of Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun
Moorish Ambassador to Elizabeth I, Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud
That is who scholars believe Othello is based on :)
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect, the etymological meaning of "Moor" means black. Again Moor was synonymous with Negro during the Shakespearan era. What? Queen Elizabeth couldnt tell the difference between an Arab and a African? lol. Thats like saying a Greeks/Romans didnt know the complexion of black. Copy their form of civilization and discount their first hand accounts of what a Moor or Egyptian looked like. Lol you really earned the title of court juster for this channel bullseye.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"caput Aethiopum"
Indeed the head of an Ethiopian the old Greek word for Negro. The Word Moor originates from the Phoenician word for westerner. In LATE Greek, Moor meant Dark, however they had a Word for Negro, Ethiopian. Trying to attach a meaning for dark without reference to physical characteristics is going to get you nowhere. Which is why they used the Term Moor, for Muslim Indians.
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
You can use all the "word play", semantics and red herrings you want.
You cant get around it. First the "The head of the Ethiopia" comes from LATIN not Greek. Moor comes from the Greek Mauros which means black. Ethiopia comes from the Greek Aethiopia which means burnt faces.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
"Thats like saying a Greeks/Romans didnt know the complexion of black."
Yes its funny that you should mention that
"Greeks and Romans, well acquainted with their contemporaries, differentiated between the various gradations of color in Mediterranean populations and made it clear that only some of the black- or dark-skinned peoples, those coming from the south of Egypt and the southern fringes of northwest Africa, were Ethiopians, i.e. Negroes."
Emeritus Professor Frank M. Snowden
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Ethiopians, known as the blackest peoples on earth, became the yardstick by which classical authors measured the color of others. In first century AD, Manilius described Ethiopians as the blackest; Indians, less sunburnt; Egyptians, mildly dark; with Moors the lightest in this color scheme."
Emeritus Professor Frank M. Snowden
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
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@1eternalcosmos
"Queen Elizabeth couldnt tell the difference between an Arab and a African"
And yet there he is Abd el-Ouahed ben Messaoud ben Mohammed Anoun
Moorish Ambassador to Elizabeth I.
His visit contemporaneous with Shakespeare‘s Othello :)
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"What does a "Coat of Arms" respresent"
Each symbol within the Arms has a meaning. Now you cite what a Black Head in a coat of arms means? Your find it in an Heraldic Reference.
The question isn’t that there were no Black Moors at all during the middle ages, they are in the artwork. The problem comes when Afrocentrics claim that they were just Black! Clearly they were not
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Lol, so the Shakespearean writers were wrong? Your delusions keep you from reality
Heraldic References:H. Kennedy, Muslim Spain and Portugal: A Political History"
Alfonso X described the invading soldiers of the 13th: "All the Moorish soldiers were dressed with silk and black wool that had been forcibly acquired… their black faces were like pitch and the most handsome of them was like a cooking pan."
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 The portrait of Mulay al-Rashid (or "Mulay Arsheid Zeriff" in the US National Portrait Gallery), the founder of the current Alaouite dynasty of Morocco, and conclude he was a black African. As far as Moulay-Ismail, this is how Mulay al-Rashid was described at the time: "He is of middle size; his face is long and thin; his beard, forked, his color, black with a mark near the nose" - Abbé Busnot, Histoire de Regne de Mouley Ismael, Roven, 1714
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
US National Portrait Gallery
Can you post up alink to this Portrait as i can find only prints none of which look like the same dude
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
Search the following text in Google under images "Mulay Arsheid Zeriff in the US National Portrait Gallery"
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Adolph Bloch said, in a presentation to the French Anthropology Society in 1896, entitled “Sur des races noires indigènes qui existaient anciennement dans l’afrique septentrionale” (On native black races which existed formerly in northern Africa):
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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On native black races which existed formerly in northern Africa):
Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
Prof Frank Snowdon
Where are they in the Art work?
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 "The race which gave birth to the Moroccans can be no other than the African negroes because the same black type [...] is found all the way to Senegal upon the right bank of the river without counting that it has been recognized in various parts of the Sahara [...] and from there comes black Moors who still have thick lips as a result of negro descent and not from intermixture.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 You are asking what does a Black Head on a Moorish Coat of Arms means. It means black Nobility if they have a crown. Military if they have a headband and conquered if their eyes are covered
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 They were just black, if they changed they would have changed the Coat of Arms Symbols. Are you telling me your people are that lazy that if they take over they would not burn all the Coat of Arms with Africans emblazoned on them? What was the first thing the Allied Forces did in Germany after its capture???? Destroy all forms of authority, flags being the first. The conquerors always display their flag and destroy the enemies. So your argument holds not water.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
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@1eternalcosmos
Let me re write that
"Are you telling me"
What i am telling you is. There were Black Moors but not all Moors were Black.
That is it in a Nut shell
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Where do you think the modern phrase black nobility comes from?
Europeans married into the Moorish Empires of Europe. This can clearly be seen in Queen Charlotte's features.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
It means black Nobility if they have a crown. Military if they have a headband and conquered if their eyes are covered
Cite it go on show what heraldic site that’s from?
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
Look it up in a Etymological dictionary. Are you that lazy?
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
Look it up in a Etymological dictionary.
I've done all that.
1)From the late 14th Cent French word from the Latin for those that lived in northern Algeria and Morocco.
2)Which in turn comes from the Greek word Mauros a natives name else it is from the late Greek word mauros "black" however they are not talking about Negroes because they had a word for them Ethiopian. So it could be both, but in any case they are darker then the Greeks. So What.
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 The Greeks referred to all blacks as Ethiopians and became Mauros for black later. Negro is a European construct that does not exist. So your argument does not hold water.
So what? Mauros means black thats what, and Moor is derived from Mauros.
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos they are in the? Coat of Arms
Have we established by an Heraldic Site what the significant of Negroes heads are in North European, Late Medieval period coats of arms yet? Because one thing is certain not all Moors were Black. :)
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
"You are referring to the Ptolemy."
Neither the An introduction to the Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum, or the Seated Scribe in the louve or Rahotep & Nofret are from the Ptolemy period nor are they Black.
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
"The Greeks referred to all blacks as? Ethiopians"
But its not just Late Greek is it! There is also the Phoenician for Westerner
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
"The Greeks referred to all blacks as? Ethiopians"
The Greeks called what today would be called Negroes as Ethiopians.
There is more then one adjective for mauros, however if it brings you comfort that the late Greek adjective for the Color Black that’s fine by me.
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
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@1eternalcosmos
"The Greeks referred to all blacks as Ethiopians"
cont
Its not going to Make the Ancient Libyan in Seti I tomb or the Moorish Ambassador to Elizabeth the first BLACK! Nor is it going to increase the number of Blacks either in the Mosaics of North Africa or The Book of Games.
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
They lost their status after? the Christians pushed
Would not explain why they remained at the Bottom of the pile in Islamic North Africa even to this Day :)
l8tz eternal, have a nice day & hear from you in a couple wks. :)
Bulllseye2012 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
3) In the middle ages in North Europe it becomes linked to Negroes, but we know that it must be later then 14th cent as that is when the word comes into the lexicon & meant Berber.
4)Then in the Renaissance and 17th cent, it comes to means a Muslim ie Arabs, Persians and Indians
So What!
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
US National Portrait Gallery
All I’ve seen of that guy is two lousy engravings that don’t look like the same dude!
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 You didnt see anything, if you did you would know what I was referring too
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
Ancient times Libyans in Seti I tomb not BLACK
Classical period
"Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans."
Professor Frank Snowdon
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 You are referring to the Ptolemy. By then Egypt was in decline, funny how the Greeks and Romans took on the customs and ceremonies of the conquered Egypt. Since when does and conqueror do that? Pre-Dynasty, Early Dynastic and Middle Kingdoms were black.
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
Medieval period
The Book of Games
Where Black Moors are in the minority
Then the portrait of the Moorish Ambassador in Tudor times not Black
SO IF THEY ARE ALL BLACK THEN WHERE IS EVERYONE?????
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Lol you and your foolish games. Thats not even an argument.
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
@1eternalcosmos
Chancellor Williams
Produces a mythical account of Arab Black race war
G.M. James
I shit you not used as his sources Theosophical, Rosicrucian European Masonic mysticism
Hahahhahahahah
Chiekh Anta Diop
Having had his Bull sit turned down loads of time was passed by the same debunked clown that invented the
Sirius B star & Dogon Myth
Which was Debunked yrs ago
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
We are still in the first phase, keep trying Albion.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"We are still in the first phase,"
Yep and so far you’ve no explanation as to where all these Black Moors of yours are in the Artwork of the past? IF THEY WERE ALL BLACK!
No explanation as to how and when black Moors end up at the bottom of the social pile if they were at the TOP!
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye Lol they are in the Coat of Arms...lol. You can clearly seen all the Moors on Moorish Coat of Arms are black hued. Are you blind or delusional?
1eternalcosmos 2 weeks ago
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@1eternalcosmos
Not a jot from you as to what these Black Moors of yours did in the way of Science & Math if they were supposed to have educated Europeans
Nor a cited referenced source from an Heraldic site as to the Symbolism of Black Heads in coats of arms means
still in the first phase,
And looks to remain so from your end for the foreseeable future
L8tz eternal have a good one your end :)
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
Shakespearean writers were wrong
Says who you? Your opinions count for Jack Shit son
There is the Ambassador same time as the play & Not Black
Queen Charlotte's features
More Afrocentric crap
Look either Shit or get off the Pot
All you’ve done is post the names of cranks, shysters and run of the mill Afrocentrcs none of which have any cred
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
Run from the truth when you cannot prove me wrong. Truth smacks you in the face like a sack of bricks yet you deny.....lol
I've listed all the Romans, Greeks and Moors that back my claims.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Solon the Greek"
Right well there are two things going on here first of all you’ve not cited where your citing that from. The other is the erroneous assumption upon your part that the Egyptians were Black, which is why you mention it. And unlike you I can cite what the Egyptians & Greeks level of understanding was, if you so wish to go down that road?
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
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@1eternalcosmos
" there are many tribes that hold the original features of the european"
Fine so your Argument is Caucasian features are indigenous to Africa, so the Berbers & Ancient Egyptians are in fact African Caucasians and the findings that King tut was a North African Caucasian fits in with your view. Well thanks for the admission
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
i though caucasian are from caucasus
Yeah most Afrocentrics make that mistake.
now they from africa.
The findings of King Tut from 1800 CT Scan images found him to be North African Caucasian.
The British Museum had an exhibition called
An introduction to the Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum
Which they have uploaded onto the tube
Uploaded by britishmuseum on 6 Aug 2010
Go on their upload and tell them that they are wrong that they were in fact Black
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect there are many tribes that hold the original features of the european such as the Ethiopians, Somalians, Eritreans, Djiboutians et etc. African is the blueprint of humanity.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 You can attempt to counter all my statements but that does not change the fact that Moorish Coat of Arms have never been emblazoned with a European or an Arab....only Africans. Slaves with crowns on their heads??? Lol
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
I don’t need to attempt to counter them.
1) I’ve Cited that Black Moors were/ still are at the bottom of the pile.
2) If these Black Moors taught Europeans then Name them & their works.
3) If They taught the Europeans to take Baths then give a date when the first Bath house or Bar of soap turned up in Black Africa.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
1) You have given your opinion, you have not cited any valid source(s)
2) Hannibal was a Moor and decimated 70,000 Romans in 6 hours at the battle of Cannae, his military strategy /techniques are taught across the world...such as the "double envelopment" technique. This gave rise to the term "battle of annihilation"
3) Black Africa is an oxymoron, "there are many phenotypes and hues on the continent of Africa, which has 55 states and 61 territories. Your question is absurd.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"you have not cited any valid source(s)"
Anytime you wish to go down the citation game, I’m up for it. Make sure that its not from your Afrocentric Mumbo Jumbo
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Hannibal was a Moor"
Again you state this because you are an Afrocentric & believe that he was Black.
Which is not so.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Its not called the Book of the Dead"
The Exhibition was called “An introduction to the Book of the Dead exhibition at the British Museum” uploaded upon the Tube by the British Museum if you disagree with that then go on their pg and tell them that they are wrong!
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 No need to...go to the source, Egypt not England formerly known as albion.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
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@1eternalcosmos
You took your time replying :)
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Dr Ben has made many achievements"
Yes one of which is making shit up about whats on the book of the dead
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 research before you open your mouth.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
4) give an heraldic site, that gives the exact meaning of Black Heads in heraldic devices.
5) If the Egyptians were Black then how comes the Exhibition at the British Museum of “The Book of the Dead” uploaded by them on the tube, show that they were not Black.
6) How comes the CT scan of king Tut showed he was a North African Caucasian.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
4) Why don t you research the Vatican's website which explains your Pope Benedict's Coat of Arms that is emblazoned with an African King with a crown
5) Are you being serious? The present inhabitants of Kemet (Egypt) are the descendants of invaders and occupiers, such as the Greek, Persian, Ottoman, Mamlukes, Arabs etc. The Egyptians themselves state where they came from in the Papyrus of Hunefer. Its not called the Book of the Dead, that is a name given by the European.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
5 )The Proper name is "The Book of the Forthcoming. History has taught he world of the destructive and deceptive ways of the European. Such a slaughtering entire Peoples, claiming civilization that does not belong to them and looting the planet. You really expect them to tell the truth. Lol.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
6) North African Caucasian? All physical human attributes were born on the African continent such as blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, blond hair in East and West African tribes; narrow features in East Africa, Epicanthic fold (Asian Eyes) in the South African Khoisan and Dinka tribes. The African continent is the blueprint of humanity, science has proved that.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"The African continent is the blueprint of humanity, science has proved that."
I have no argument that humans did not originate in Africa.
"The Egyptians themselves state where they came from in the Papyrus of Hunefer"
Who said that? Dr Ben!
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 T
The Papyrus of Hunefer was made by the Egyptian Priest Hunefer, if you read it, you would know where the Egyptians originated instead of using red-herrings arguments.
Dr Ben has made many achievements in his life time about our people, have respect.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba,"
Hmm! Care to point out where that Architecture originates from in Black Africa!
"meaning dark or black."
Does Dark or Black Mean Negro then?
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 AFRICA is not the Moors home, it's his throne.
Negro is a euro word crafted after the moors were defeated by Isabella
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"They say a picture is worth a thousand words"
OK then mouth tell us what a black head on coats of arms means then?
I mean, given that you claim that Moors were all Black ie Negroes then what did they do? Because I can find not a jot for Black Moors other then being the lowest Caste in that Society. There’s nothing, and I mean nothing from them! No Scientist no Mathematicians, when it comes to Black Moors they are a cultural desert.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 I've already explained, read the posts or are you lazy too?
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
Shakespeare does not say that he was a Negro. However as you have mentioned him, the play is believed to be based upon the Moorish ambassador to Queen Elisabeth the first.
And he was not a Negro. You only have to look at Alfonso X book of games back in the 13th cent, to see how few Blacks Moors there were there.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 You are a fool the word negro and Moor were interchangeable during the time of the Shakespeare writers. Everyone knows that.....OTHELLO.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Most Moorish Coat of Arms in Europe depict an African with a Crown for King, Headband for Military ruler."
Right Son! You go & show from an Heraldic site “depict an African with a Crown for King,” & “Headband for Military ruler.”
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
So don’t try and read anything just about nobility in coats of arms, you could work your way up the Class system and end up with a Coat of Arms or being in a common Trade & that Trade Guild have a coat of Arms. :)
So you had better have something more then Just coats of Arms to Go upon
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Coat of Arms is the topic of discussion. Its not my fault you don't have the proof to back of your claims. A Moorish Coat of Arms in Europe has only depicted a black man until this day, which would be Pope Benedicts Coat of Arms. There has never been a European or an Arab on a Moorish Coat of Arms when the Moors ruled and were feared in Europe.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 The Black head on the Moorish Coat of Arms represents a family. I've told you this a hundred enough times but you keep circling like a dog chasing its tail.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Why are there so many Coat of Arms, statues, engravings of black hued Moors"
And the names of the families of these coat of Arms are? Cite your heraldic sources and none of you Afrocentric BS.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 YouTube the following Coat of Arms: Ratzinger (Pope Benedict), Coburg Bavaria, Freising, Milberg, Cesar Berthier, Eisenberg, Capitignano-Stemma, Pastetten, Woerth, Eching Wappen, Ismaning, Mittenwald, Huisheim, Landkreis Freising, Landkreis Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Skofja Loka, Unterfohring, Zolling, Fahrenzhausen, Flag of Sardinia, Coat of Arms of Sardinia, Sardaigne, Uettingen, Vico, Etienne Poncher. They say a picture is worth a thousand words
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Why don t you research the Vatican's website"
Where it is referred to as the head of an Ethiopian, which is an old term for Negro & not the genric term for a Moor, who were a mix of people. It still would not alter the fact that Black Moors were at the bottom of the social pile and remain so.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
Google:
Vatican website and bendict and coat of arms and moor
click on "The Coat of Arms of His Holiness Benedict XVI" link
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Quote "In the dexter corner (to the left of the person looking at it) is a Moor's head in natural colour [caput Aethiopum] (brown) with red lips, crown and collar. This is the ancient emblem of the Diocese of Freising, founded in the eighth century, which became a Metropolitan Archdiocese with the name of München und Freising in 1818, subsequent to the Concordat between Pius VII and King Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria (5 June 1817).
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Negro is a term created by the european to describe conquered Moors as a dead vessel, it comes from the Greek necro, which means dead. The Moors knowledge of self was taken. They were either converted to Christianity "Morisco, killed or sold as slaves with their. Yet the Ethiopians were never colonized, Mussolini tried and was shamed when Ethiopians with Guns/ horses chased his tanks out of Ethiopia
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 The Moor's head is not rare in European heraldry. It still appears today in the arms of Sardinia and Corsica, as well as in the blazons of various noble families. Italian heraldry, however, usually depicts the Moor wearing a white band around his head instead of a crown, indicating a slave who has been freed;
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 whereas in German heraldry the Moor is shown wearing a crown. The Moor's head is common in the Bavarian tradition and is known as the caput Ethiopicum or the Moor of Freising. the first fact is Hannibal Abarca was born in Carthage, a city in the continent now know as Africa.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Second, he was known in history as crossings the Alps with army primarily on Elephant, now let’s review the facts, Hannibal was an inhabitant of Africa and the elephant is a mammal indigenous to Africa later India.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 After the fall of the Roman Empire (fifth century), Spain was held by a barbaric white tribe, the Visigoths. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, Spain's Jews, serfs, and slaves looked favorably upon the arrival of a new civilization in which they would be able to live free of persecution.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Tarik, a great African King, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. Later in the century, the cave dwellers would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 The Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba, Seville, and Granada prove conclusively that these cities were more prosperous and artistically more brilliant than any Christian cities in Europe at the time. The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization when the rest of Europe was plunged in barbaric ignorance. Now why does a Pope Benedict have a Moor on his coat of arms???
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
Why are there so many Coat of Arms, statues, engravings of black hued Moors?...Civilization does not pay mass tribute to slaves.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization"
Got the list of Black African Scholars ie mathematicians & Scientists yet?
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Most of your scholars were bleached like the renaissance
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
Black Moors were and remain at the Bottom of the Caste system & there is nothing that is going to change that FACT
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 LOL!!!!!!!!!! u fucking gump I thought the moors were not black "not"
ThePerfectBlack100 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
You can repeat that forever, it does not change the facts
1.Moor means black
2.The only Moorish Coat of Arms that exist are black
3.The Moors gave their knowledge to the Europeans when they fell, who then corrupted it
4.Black hued Moors were in America before Columbus, that's why he wrote his brother about them.
5.The President is a Moor through his father
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 The caste system does not exist on the African continent. You are referring to India, which abolished its practices sometime ago.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Negro is a euro word crafted after the moors were defeated by Isabella"
Fine then the term Negro & moor are not the same thing right! Moors are not Negroes well that fine with me pal.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 You're comprehension level is rock bottom. The word Moor was removed from the Moorish identity and became esoteric and replaced with Negro. Shakespearean writers used Moor interchangeably with Negro...Othello etc :) The term Moor is used interchangeably with Negro on the HBO series True Blood. Wake-up.... Hollywood knows the truth, you don't.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
Moor means black
Says Who?
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Why dont you try researching an etymological dictionary. You know what that is right?
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
etymological dictionary
YES i've read it, during the middleages they start calling Negroes Moors, Later on they Call East Indians, Late Greek has it that it meant dark, however they had a name for Negroes they were Ethiopians. However the origin of the word comes from the Phoenician for westerner. As Professor Snowdon points out they are few blacks in the art work & only once in a poem from that region of North Africa.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Is that all you have? North Africa was originally a place where Europeans were traded as slaves by the Romans, it was also a Roman Military base to counteract any advance by Hannibal directly after the 2nd Punic War. You can put all the spin on it. Negro is a European word. The proper vernacular is MOOR!
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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Moor means black
Says Who?
@Bulllseye2012 Says an etymological dictionary. Pick one up and read it, if you can.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"The only Moorish Coat of Arms that exist are black"
That’s it? The fact that the Moorish Ambassador to Queen Elisabeth the first was not Black and was a high ranking Moor says it all. Black Heads start to appear on coats of arms during the days of the Crusades.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 incorrect, Moorish Coat of Arms arrived when the African Moor civilized Europe and taught whites how to create their own Coat of Arms. Additionally, Queen Elizabeth 2nd had to pay tribute to Haile Selassie I, as his lineage descends from King Solomon's.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Queen Elizabeth 2nd had to pay tribute to Haile Selassie"
I think that your find that it is done in order of seniority, for instance:
At Queen Elizabeth II Coronation, Queen Salote Tupou III of Tonga as the elder Queen would mean that Queen Elizabeth would curtsy.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
Black Heads start to appear on coats of arms during the days of the Crusades.
@Bulllseye2012 Now that's funny, because Europeans were not even civilized when the Moors arrived, they didn't have their own Coat of arms; they were taught by the Moors. They (Moors) also taught Europeans the principles of civilization, opened 14 Universities and taught them how to bathe.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
The only Moorish Coat of Arms that exist are black
Cont:
However as not every Muslim could have been Black in modern terms, so it must have been generic. In Germany it seems to be linked to the house of Hohenstaufen, Frederick II seems quite taken by some of the Black Moors or Blackamoors left in Sicily.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect again, the word Moor predates the word Muslim. The oldest tribe on the African continent are known as the Khoisan. The are light brown in color. Don't even try to tell me Africans have the same color, because Africa has a sea of color ranging from light brown to jet black.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
Note left because they were the lowest of the low. Nether the less they were still Moors, just low caste. Further I can cite that they are the lowest caste & I can also list who did what & when.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 You're argument is moot. Moors didn't have a caste system. They had a class system, like the modern world does. I can list the lowest classes of white demographics in old and modern Europe. It doesn't change anything. Civilization in old Europe did not reward lower classes and certainly did not put them on Coat of Arms in that era.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"in old Europe did not reward lower classes and certainly did not put them on Coat of Arms in that era."
That’s where you are wrong
Sir John Hawkwood came up from the lower orders to be one of the most Famous Knights of all times.
There were also Coat of Arms of Trade Guilds
& you can look all this up if you want.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
On the popes Coat of Arms it is called the Head of an Ethiopian ie an old term for Negro.
FYI a caste system occurs Whenever there is a difference in Rank
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Incorrect, Ethiopia is relatively new to to the region. Abyssinia and Kush are Ancient. The original meaning of negro meant dead vessel. Again this was done by Europeans to hide the true origins of the Moors. Coat of Arms represent a family in Old Europe. Most Moorish Coat of Arms in Europe depict an African with a Crown for King, Headband for Military ruler. If the eyes are covered it means the family was defeated in war.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"Moors didn't have a caste system."
Were not talking past tense here pal, the caste system still goes on, with those designated black Moors right at the bottom.
Bulllseye2012 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 You tell me exactly where this caste system exists with black hued Moors on the bottom. I want a peer reviewed article.
You cant because your full of bull.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"All physical human attributes were born on the African continent such as blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, blond hair in East and West African tribes;"
Dude I can cite the paper where those traits of Blue eyes originated. However if it your contention that Caucasoid features seen in the Egyptians originated in Africa that fine, they still wouldn’t be Black African, however they would remain Caucasians.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Read the study "European Skin Turned Pale Only Recently, Gene Suggests Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 years ago. The African is 3 million years old as proved by Lucy remains. Our people have always and will always be here. Black is inclusive of all color, white is excluded of all color. Africans have Albino's naturally, whites do not have blacks naturally unless the gene pool changed somewhere in the family's history.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Africans have the epicanthic (asian eyes) fold naturally in the Khoisan and Dinka tribes. As previously stated, all features of Humanity came from the MtDNA of the African not the European.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"deceptive ways of the European."
So your only argument here is that they have fixed it! That the British Museum is involved in one great big conspiracy! That is utter Crap and you know it.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 Ask Zahi Hawass the original name of the "Book of the Dead", formerly known as "The Book of the Forthcoming. It was changed like Europeans changed the names of continents and cities when they came into power. The West rules through ignorance, even the Romans stated "the barbarian respects nothing. Pick up a book.
1eternalcosmos 2 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 north african caucasian? i though caucasian are from caucasus now they from africa. good to know. and for your information the colour of the skin in the book of the dead have a spiritual meanings but if you want i can show other book of the dead found were the people are black.
TheVoodooochile 1 month ago
@TheVoodooochile
"the colour of the skin in the book of the dead have a spiritual meanings"
yes such as painting some statues symbolic Black for one.
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Black is not a symbolic color, its not a color at all its a neutral because all colors come from black. The Egyptian statues, megaliths, carvings, paints etc that are black are portrayed accurately. Egyptians were known for their accuracy.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
"would be Pope Benedicts Coat of Arms."
What is the name of the Black Head on the coat of Arms. :) hint its not Moor is it
"Coat of Arms is the topic of discussion."
Fine as I asked you cite a Heraldic site that says what a Black head on a coat of arms means.:)
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012 Here is an excerpt fromm the Vatican website: In the dexter corner (to the left of the person looking at it) is a Moor's head in natural colour [caput Aethiopum] (brown) with red lips, crown and collar. This is the ancient emblem of the Diocese of Freising, founded in the eighth century, which became a Metropolitan Archdiocese with the name of München und Freising in 1818, subsequent to the Concordat between Pius VII and King Maximilian Joseph of Bavaria (5 June 1817).
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@Bulllseye2012
You have it backwards. What does a "Coat of Arms" respresent?
The distinctive heraldic bearings or shield of a person or family.
Later changed to Country or Corporation in a moderm context. :)
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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@Bulllseye2012
Why dont you go ahead and translate [caput Aethiopum] in Google translate. From Latin it means. The head of Ethiopia. Your own Pope knows who the Moors are and you dont :)
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
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@1eternalcosmos "are portrayed accurately. Egyptians were known for their accuracy."
You mean like, The seated scribe in the Louve & Rahtep & Nofret
Bulllseye2012 1 month ago
@TheVoodooochile Bullseye lacks the intelligence to understand that all human physical traits were born on the African continent, such the oldest African tribe the Khoisan, who are light brown with with an epicanthic fold (Asian eyes)
He forgets that Albinos were born on the African continent were pushed out and made their way north to the caucus mountains.
1eternalcosmos 1 month ago
@1eternalcosmos
7) If the Egyptians did teach the Greeks everything, how comes in all the yrs of Moving Stone blocks they never came up with the idea of the Crain. Yet the Greeks did.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012
7) You are comparing Egyptian knowledge/ principles of civilization/ mapping of the pyramids to Orion's Belt with a Crane? Egypt is the only civilization on the planet that has not been fully understood by science, hence the word Egyptology, Pick up a book.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
"You are comparing Egyptian knowledge/ principles of civilization/ mapping of the pyramids to Orion's Belt with a Crane?"
You cite the Scientific paper & the Journal that, that claim appears in, and not one of those pseudoscience books either.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@1eternalcosmos
Lets face facts, the only reason that you guys go on about Egypt is the erroneous claims of Afrocentrism that they were Black, and no other.
Yet the only time that they were under the boot of Black Africans was the 25th dynasty & that lasted no more then 75 yrs.
Bulllseye2012 3 months ago
@Bullseye2012 Knowledge/Technology transfer has existed since the dawn of man. Egyptians taught the Greeks in peace. The Romans learned from the Greeks. In modern context, Knowledge/Technology transfer was used as a cheaper form of labor. This has turned Asian continent into an economic Power house and the African continent into the Richest continent in Resources with the fastest growing economies.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
@Bulllseye2012 There is more than enough evidence that states the original Moors were Black in color. Since when do conquerors erect statutes, stone carved faces of the conquered? That has never happened in the history of man. The Moors brought the light of civilization to Europe and civilized white tribes. They taught them the principles of civilization, how to bathe, opened 14 Universities and ruled with an iron fist. Your false god of white supremacy has blinded your ability to think.
1eternalcosmos 3 months ago
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Flextones 5 months ago
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Even Beethoven was described as a Black Moor. As well as his mother: Frau Fischer, an intimate acquaintance (i.e sexual acquaintance) of Beethoven, describes him thus, "Short, stocky, broad shoulders, short neck, round nose, blackish-brown complexion." (From R. H. Schauffler, The Man Who Freed Music, Vol. I, p. 18, 1929).
TheStarGardian 6 months ago
THIS INFORMATION IS REAL, BLACK MUSLIM'S WHO DON'T KNOW THEY ARE MOORS NEED TO BE EXPOSED MORE TO THIS REALITY, AND STOP LOOKING UP TO THE DESERT ARAB FOR TRUTH, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO TELL YOU SO MUCH AND KEEP YOU BOXED IN THEIR WAY OF UNDERSTANDING ISLAM, THROUGH A SYSTEM THEY DEVISED, IF YOU WANT TO NO REAL ISLAM YOU NEED TO FOLLOW YOUR ROOTS AND SEE WERE IT TAKES YOU? IM OUT ALAIKUM SALAM.
rass715 8 months ago
The name the rock of Gibraltar was a corruption of the Spaniards for general gebel tarik's name. As Africans were being written out of history 580 years were added to the time line to graft whites onto history to give them a sense of antiquity they never had. We assume that Rome and grease were European creations but they were Mediterranean inspired nations instead because at the time there was no Europe the word Europe was no even being used.
1eternalcosmos 9 months ago
@1eternalcosmos So much bullshit, you still don't seem able to present facts, your atitude shows how inadequate you really are, poor slave.
TheDudeReborn 9 months ago
@TheDudeReborn i give you facts, you choose to ignore them and live in a bubble. Truth is a hard pill to swallow. The word slave is derived from slav idiota!
1eternalcosmos 9 months ago
@1eternalcosmos Yes, you are an idiot. Just using my words and repeating them in your terms proves your inadequacy, again.
TheDudeReborn 9 months ago
@TheDudeReborn Incorrect, I am showing you how you have been copying my words, phrases for the last six months. Prove me wrong. Anyone can go through the post history and see that I am right.
1eternalcosmos 9 months ago
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1eternalcosmos 9 months ago
@TheDudeReborn Whats wrong? Afraid to read the writings of Eucherius, Bishop of Lyons about The Black St. Maurice, Knight of the Holy Lance, Greatest Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire. Lol you are immersed in ignorance. Google "Saint Maurice, pictured with St Elmo Knight Commander of the famous Roman Theban Legion in the 3rd century".
Truth always trumps ignorance.
1eternalcosmos 9 months ago
@1eternalcosmos You need to resort to ancient folklore to remotely prove anything, hahaha. You are a joke.
TheDudeReborn 9 months ago
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1eternalcosmos 8 months ago
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@TheDudeReborn You're a fool, you cannot differentiate between folklore and written works that actually transpired. I guess the Vatican must think its folklore too. Keep living in your bubble.
1eternalcosmos 8 months ago
@1eternalcosmos Religion is not fact. And btw, saying that one black dude came from Southern Egypt does not help your argument.
TheDudeReborn 8 months ago
@TheDudeReborn Jesus (Jeshua in Hebrew) is fact. Proven by the Bible, archeology, anthropology, history and now genetics (mapping Hebrew genetics). No diversions, most of the saints are African, white washed during the renaissance. Look at the Catacombs of Rome. The earliest depictions of Jesus show him as a black man. Mary and Jesus are black, how would they escaped Herod's wrath and flee into Egypt? if they were white they would stick out like a white man in an African village.
1eternalcosmos 8 months ago
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@TheDudeReborn Look at all the images/statues of Black Mary and Jesus in Europe. Revelations 1:14-15 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
His hair was like wool, feet were like fine brass as if burned in a furnace. Burned brass means copper. Copper is a common color amongst Africans.
1eternalcosmos 8 months ago