Wicca Satanism Paganism and Greek gods - oh my! :P

[jwcmkc]

@MysticTV777 first and foremost she is right, greek gods and religion is under the term paganism, look it up.

Her point on Wicca dismantling religions is incorrect, as a Wiccan, it is against our belief structure to speak ill of any religion at all. We do, however, welcome religious discussion in a friendly way. We are more than happy to share our thoughts on our religion. Most Wiccans feel that if to offend others beliefs is to offend their own and is very bad luck.

[neopagan1976]

@xxxEphemeranxxx Gerrald Gardener never invented wicca, all he did back in the day is bring a nature/ pagan based religion which already existed long before he was ever born out of hiding and back into open free society. In short Gerald Gardner in my opinion saved Wicca.

[neopagan1976]

@zorkius57 That strageria, and theres nothing wrong with worshiping pan whose a nature god and who's also very protective of his followers, and yotsuba whoever that is is a truely benevolent god wouldn't care if she worships pan or not. The mear fact of being wiccan/pagan will make sure that will never have to worry about being possessed by demons. Pan would never allow that to happen.

[IntotheRedEye]

Satanism is a valid religion in my mind. I don't have any issues with it; I think it actually has lots of good points. I can't follow it because of the few points I can't agree with (one of the main ones being a lack of belief in evil). However, I think Satanism was a necessary movement, if you will, in order to bring people out of the traditional religious mindset, and in order to get them to question the status quo. I think we can thank the Satanists for that. lol.

[pwgroh]

you should take mushrooms or acid. you'd probly have a great trip

[MegaBradybunch]

Pagans belied in the phoniex wich is satan the bringer of light but did not beleave in hell from my inderstaning

[horsegirl600]

Don't listen to the mean things the others are saying. i don't tell very many people this but i am a Greek polytheistic and slightly wicca like what i am seeing you believe to an extent from this video. i don't claim the title wicca because i don't know how i can practice any of this easily. even my parents don't know about my "religion". plz rite bck

[MegaBradybunch]

Pagans dont beleave in a hell or a Jewish devil

[horsegirl600]

most greek pagans believe in the underworld encluding the christian equivilants of hell heaven and limbo

[MrGriegos]

Hello,

I'm not sure if I heard correctly...

Did you say "Strigeria"?

I believe that in Greek it is more frequent to say Magisa (ma-yee-sa) for females because the more common "Strigla" has highly rude and negative attachments to that word from which your title is derived.

Otherwise an interesting video about spiritual relationships and identity.

God bless.

[MysticTV777]

Greek Gods and Religion are not "pagan"

and have nothing to do with "Paganism".

/watch?v=0gBY4Ds9GM0

[pansgrove]

Please refer to my Greek video regarding what Evangelos Rigakis who wrote Threskia said. LOL.

[zeit23geist]

re: Satanism - the American Dream all this worship of Self;, we are made god-like for aligning with the gods, but we do not become gods; Wicca tries to make even death a fluffy thing, but death is misery for those left behind; Satanists think wiccan is not macho enough, the macho is a weak person who thinks making aggressive nosies keeps enemies at bay, I guess natural - what animals do, but we are humans??

[pansgrove]

Something to ponder!

[vitaliwths]

πεζει να τα εχει χασει η ασχημη!!!

[zorkius57]

Young lady, you are obviously possessed by over 9000 demons. You label yourself a 'chlamydia', whatever that means, but your true anti-divine label is the inverted desu. Your worship of Pan is sure to fill you with fail. The one true god is Yotsuba and in order to receive her 404 blessings you must make it to page 11. I've never even seen you on page one, so your pool is obviously closed. Sorry if I made you rage, but I'm pretty much perfect, so take your best shot.

[pansgrove]

aRE YOU FOR REAL? Or are you just making fun of me? LOL. Seriously.

[dafcnz]

epic.

[gorapeng]

...and then you look back at Christianity and see that it is not about "dismantling" religions also. But there are always some pagans, some wiccans, some christians... Multiplicity and compromise, there is no other way to peace. If someone wants to find consensus with others, one will do so. If one wants to be aggressive, will be.

[Zarabbas]

LOL Gerald B. Gardner invented Wicca with the help of Margaret Murray. Even the original book of Shadows was a rip off of Aleister Crowley's writings (among others).

Wicca is the child of Freemasonry thanks to Gardner. The similarities between Wicca and Freemasonry are due to Gardner inventing rituals and degrees modeled on Freemasonry.

You should ask yourself if what you believe is based on the deceptions of Gerald Gardner or not? If it is based on a lie, then what does this say of Wicca?

[pansgrove]

(cont. from above)

To me, Wicca "took" a lot from italian Witchcraft/Stregheria, so I see it as very close to Stregheria. But a more condensed, and bast., form.

What is a, "lie"? Dis-illusionment as it is perceptual? If so then always question.

[HoovedGoddess]

IAWT, i preactice stregeria and that's kinda how i explain it to wiccans who are curious. or i joke that wicca is strega's "bastard love child"

[pansgrove]

Well, yes, that is a fair question. I am familiar with what you are saying. My views come from reading books from the 1800's, Charles Leland (pre 1930) and Dione Fortune etc. Freemasonry is always questionable. Some people say it built the metaphysics in general, while others say - well ... it's a pagan path from ancient times, etc.

[pansgrove]

Thanks!  :)

[TheZebu]

Satanism, even the more mystical kinds, is usually more about becoming Godlike rather than a literal supreme "God". Also, theistic, or "spiritual" Satanists revere Satan as a higher deity, so it usually depends on what you mean by "god".

I follow my own personal idea of "Luciferianism" Satanism as a non-mystical philosophical religion. I guess you could say I believe in returning to "the source", if by "source" you mean "carbon cycle".

I hate labels too, but I can't live without 'em... :|

[pansgrove]

Awesome insight. Thanks for your comment! :)

[GegoXaren]

So you believe in the Bringer of Light.

that is coo..

[GreekOrthodoxy]

Poor lost soul.

[matthews47421]

Thank You for the video, very brave girl.

[pansgrove]

Always. :)

[saphopoem]

Dear Pans, can I call you Pans? lol You are very brave for showing your face and standing up for your beliefs.Your description of what happens to the soul is very true! I have asked my spirit guide that very question, his answer was ; There is not one true god but many gods. The soul must go through many different lives in order to learn his lessons. Once these are learned we can only then become divine.

[pansgrove]

Thank you. Yes, that is where religion becomes, "inter-personalized". Thank you for your comment.

[XxJosielxX]

WITCH!!

In HELL SHALL YE BURN!.

[Samhains]

I love that you mentioned the duality, We call it the Unity of Deulity, God and Goddess polin and seed, yin and yang. Waxing and waning in power and submition it is all part of the same source, to box your mind into any one ISM or IST is confining your thoughts, and these are coffins we die in. There is no IST or ISM to the divine, the divine source is not bound up in one symbol or religion, nor philosophy or frame of mind. It simple is too big to confine in boxed thinking like IST or ISM.

[pansgrove]

Thanks for your comments. Interesting.

[devilgirl255]

Nice video Nella. Interessing view, I agree what you say about the soul. It's because of people like you I still like pagan/wicca. Even if I'm not a Satanist, I'm a Demonolatress. Sticking a label on someone almost never works.

[pansgrove]

Yah. Thanks. You should see my other video on LOVE AND TRUST, if you haven't already. It is kinda a hellenistic approach to wiccan tenants and, "the soul". Right, and that's the problem with labels, but they always seem to effect us via the use of them by others for others.~

[paralogon]

sorry i would say don't mix satanism with greek gods.

[paralogon]

don't mix paganism with greek gods. please.

[Spellslinger2]

You have some interesting views Nella! :)

[pansgrove]

Thanks!!! :)

[AnethSvartalf]

I believe "polytheistic" is the word you are looking for. I ran into a Luciferian who believed in Ascention. I've found Satanists have different views about the soul and what happens after living. Anyway, thanks for sharing.

[pansgrove]

Thanks. Yah I mentioned that but then I can also be dualthiestic. But see, are those terms LABELS? That could be another "debate".

[AnethSvartalf]

Yeah, they are labels.

[pansgrove]

Prove that they are labels.

[AnethSvartalf]

After you prove water s wet. It's a matter of definition.

[pansgrove]

Nice application. But water is wet when it can get my clothes wet. t can effect another item, and I can see this happening. But to prove something is a label, theoretically, you would have to prove that it goes beyond just being a word, somehow.

[AnethSvartalf]

Words have definitions. Granted, as language changes, these definitions change, and some subcultures will define words differently from the main culture, but just grab a dictionary and look up a few words. Meanings are applied to these words. Nothing is wrong with labels, they are helpful in our understandings in their propper place. They limit our understanding when we allow labels to define who we are instead of defining the labels.

[pansgrove]

"An item used to identify something or someone, as a small piece of paper or cloth attached to an article to designate its origin, owner, contents, use, or destination.

A descriptive term; an epithet." ~ yahoo dictionary. So labels are words used to identify someone or something. It goes beyond communication.

[AnethSvartalf]

Considering that most everyone would think it silly to make paper labels and stick them to people, I don't think this applies to the discussion, unless of course you are speaking metaphorically. If you don't want to use labels, that is fine. Don't. I will. And in doing so, I will do my best to apply the propper labels. For example, I'm not going to label you a Catholic nun. You aren't. It'd be silly or possibly insulting.

[pansgrove]

LOL. I'm glad I can count on your rationality. However, I cannot say that for the rest of the world. Thanks.

[pansgrove]

(cont) It is about identifying the substance, so naming, in effect. And naming is subjective when it is a mere label. Hence the stereotyping comment.

[VenusSatanas]

All of science, and metaphysics and reality as we see it, is defined by labels. We name an object so that we can identify it, classify it, define it. These labels are dependent on the view, or lens from which one is using.

[pansgrove]

Do you agree that labels, as an end result could also be used to subject a person to discrimination? That people can manipulate labels to their own advantage rather than societies' as a whole?

[MsDiscord]

The problem with labels is that a person's spirituality is ever-evolving, therefore, labelling them is just silly. Like a defective label maker! They just won't stick :D

[pansgrove]

Right. That's kinda part of my outlook. So then, what is the point of labels? The word principals, yes, but even that is subjective if it is not up to the individual to state his/her principals. Some say that all words are labels. I do not agree.

[MsDiscord]

The purpose of labels, in my opinion, is a way for people to feel more comfy with certain concepts. Kinda like why is there a name for ANYTHING out there? Cause people feel the need to give things a name/label. It's just the way humans are ;)

[TheCanadianSatanicUn]

No Two Satanists Are The Same As No Two People Are Ever The Same Its individuality