"I can conceive how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God." -- Abraham Lincoln
Do they not look at the sky above them?― How We have made it and adorned, it and there are no flaws in it? (Holy Quran:50:6)]
@NeverevenStudios The channel is called "Big Think" does it really matter where the idea's come from? Does it matter if they're a magician, politician, physicist, chemist, economist, or hair dresser? I thought it was the ideas and thoughts that were important.
I was assuming Big Think was an organization for people who have contributed to the field of science. When I see the related videos listing people like Kaku, Dawkins and Kurzweil - who all have years of experience in their respective fields - and then some street magician with an opinion, it seems out of place. That's just my opinion, though.
@NeverevenStudios 'I don't see why Big Think would use Penn as a speaker. He's a magician, not a scientist.'
Magicians are often the best thinkers. They can spot frauds and other shenanigans better than most people, because they understand the art of deception. Some of the greatest skeptics are magicians (James Randi, for example).
@MrPornxxxLover Ron Wyatt's claims have not only been debunked, they've been debunked by christian apologetics Websites, such as "Answers in Genesis" and "Tentmakers."
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Wow, this guy is so lost! If you don't like what The Bible has to say, don't read it! You don't have to block out every little bit of it and conclude that God doesn't exist! He does, and he does amazing things. Living a life without God is like living Black and White, it's dull and tasteless. Don't ever bother arguing with me. I'm not going to waste my time responding to my witty comments.
@gaiaon123 'You don't have to block out every little bit of it and conclude that God doesn't exist!'
Ummm, you just said 'don't read it'. So is he supposed to read it or not?
'Living a life without God is like living Black and White, it's dull and tasteless.'
Only if you think that the wonder of the universe and the complexity of nature is tasteless. Please don't project your own miserable mindset onto other people. I'm sorry that you see nothing beautiful about reality without God.
Funny, I was an atheist and I read the Bible in order to learn it to refute it. But instead, I came out a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ because I soon realized that no mere man could have written it! I am sorry for those here who have taken a different path and become atheists, for whatever their reasons, because I believe that ultimately they will all be be ashamed of themselves for doing so when they have to face the living Lord and give an account for their lives.
@slaveofmonstery 'But instead, I came out a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ because I soon realized that no mere man could have written it'
Really? I once had a stab at the Bible myself. I got up to the middle of Exodus or thereabouts (where 'such-and-such begot such-and-such. It was tedious as fuck). All I could think when I was reading it was, 'Man, what cunt wrote this?'
Your 'realisation' speaks of a weak and small mind. Sorry.
@slaveofmonstery 'I am sorry for those here who have taken a different path and become atheists'
Hang you, you said that you were an atheist BEFORE you became Christian. So did you also 'become' an atheist before that was well? I've always been an atheist, and my considerations of the boring, blatantly man-made myths of ancient texts that there's nothing too dopey that people with sufficiently weak and vulnerable minds will fall for.
@slaveofmonstery 'for whatever their reasons, because I believe that ultimately they will all be be ashamed of themselves for doing so when they have to face the living Lord and give an account for their lives.'
What's wrong with that? Why is making a mistake about theological questions such a monstrous crime? If i ever have to account to God for my atheism, I'll just tell him that he didn't provide enough evidence of his existence, and that his fan-club don't qualify in my eyes as teachers.
I am a nobody and I would love to sit down and answer all of Penn's concerns and questions I could answer these without a cop out "spiritual" answer, but I don't think a person can learn math without having a math teacher. Penn and others cannot understand the bible just like he would not be able to figure out Algebra on his own. Elvis Did do drugs....
@trajanb1 OK, forget Penn. I would love to hear your "ANSWER"!
The Bible says the earth, sun, stars etc was created in 6 days about 6,000 years ago.
I will make 2 points as to how we know that is bullshit. !) First overcome all the geological evidence that shows this world is far, far, far older than 6 days
2) The stars and planets. Considering the speed of which light travels, how is it we can see stars when if the world was only 6,000 year, The light shouldn't have reached us yet.
Okay, you speak of the bible and associate it with the Quran as if it's the same thing. You may be right about the bible, but don't let your iv orange spill into Islam. Even if it's not 'real' the disciplin you learn from it will keep you the best you can be.
@TheNarutoAMVs 'You may be right about the bible, but don't let your iv orange spill into Islam. Even if it's not 'real' the disciplin you learn from it will keep you the best you can be.'
Irrelevant. The Koran still makes lots of obnoxious claims that have caused more harm than good. You can get discipline from reading lots of self-help books or books about personal stories of perseverance, or indeed from good fiction, and without the theistic tripe.
Yes. OK. What is Faith??? It is a person's choice that all I saying. If you feel there is no God that is what you believe. I happen to believe otherwise. Thank you for your response.
@pcc1703 'It is a person's choice that all I saying. If you feel there is no God that is what you believe.'
No, that isn't 'all'. Faith is the choice to believe in something in spite of (or even BECAUSE OF) the lack of evidence. I know it's fun and sounds vaguely smart to claim that atheism is 'another faith', but atheism is simply the refusal to believe in outlandish, bollocks claims that have not even a scrap of evidence to back them up. That's a choice, but it's not 'faith'.
Yes. Written by man inspired by God. God is Almighty and what people failed to believe is that He can do that. It is your choice as to how you want to believe or whether you believe or not. God leave that up to yo. I no mare can convince hard core atheist there is no more that they can convince me there is no God. Yes. God started it all. It is your choice.
There's nothing in any of these religious texts that even remotely hints at a non-human origin. The content is so parochial that it's bleedingly obvious to anyone with an open mind and who can think logically that these texts were written by flawed, largely ignorant human beings with an agenda. You might as well also sacrifice goats to the eclipse if you take the Bible or Koran seriously.
Everything I know about God I learned reading the Bible and studying the actual meaning of His Holy Word. Yes. I participate in Bible study because that makes my faith ever stronger. You have to know what God's Word is telling you before you can believe. But (circle the "but") it is still your choice.
@pcc1703 'You have to know what God's Word is telling you before you can believe. But (circle the "but") it is still your choice.'
Right, but you mean the Christian God, right? Not the Islamic God, or the Hindu God/s, or any of the other gods that humanity has ever believed in. Funny, though, how these other gods also operate by the exact same logic as your one (i.e the negation of logic), and how their apologists use the exact same special pleading ('you have to know His word first')
Please don't get me wrong.I'm not trying to push any kind of beliefs onto anyone. I know by my faith in God they He created all of this as well as you & me. So, if there isn't a God, then who started it? People will have their time with God. And if you do not believe, that is your choice.
@pcc1703 'I know by my faith in God they He created all of this as well as you & me.'
No, you BELIEVE by your faith. Faith doesn't equivocate to knowledge. Can you imagine a scientists saying 'I know by my faith that this protein is produced by this gene'? Somehow, theists imagine that they can get away with the most obnoxious claims to knowledge simply by virtue of their 'faith' that it's true. Well, of course you're free to think that way, but you should realise that it's stupid.
I am agnostic myself, but if people wanna believe there is no god, who am I to judge? Not my place nor is for me to tell them where I think they will be going for not believing what I believe... This country is very religious based yet (any) bible thumper forgets that this country was also based on tolerance.
He did make a few inaccurate statements, the Lord was not okay with Lots daughter being raped and beaten, why do you think He burned the cities afterwards? While the Old Testament is very, very violent and brutal there was something called the New Testament. Jesus ushered in a new social order of love and respect to your fellow humans.
He burned the cities because of the sodomy. He had no problem with the rape of young women. Lot is held up as the example of complete morality - he saved two men from being raped by offering up his virgin daughters instead. In the bible this is clearly framed as a "Good Thing". He is rewarded for his actions.
@c6gunner I did a bit of reading and it appears we all mixed up the account. Lot offered his daughters to protect his guests, but they pulled him back into the house and prevented the rape from happening. The other account where a woman was raped happened in Judges. None of this was condoned ever. The fact that Lot was saved from destruction does not prove God being okay with it. If God were to save based on how good a person was no one would be saved.
@aRAUSEr7 'Jesus ushered in a new social order of love and respect to your fellow humans. '
He did no such thing. Christendom was ruled by dictatorial oligarchies and clerical establishments with few egalitarian impulses. I'd love to know when Jesus 'ushered in' the society you mentioned.
@cayetanoluis2 The Catholic church does not follow what is taught in the Bible. They have created a religion that is based on control by the church. Confession is merely a way for the Catholic priests to have control, or at least the illusion of it, over peoples lives. When people tried to break free from it and follow what is said in the Bible they started killing the reformers off with inquisitions and wars. Perhaps ushered in was a incorrect term, he promoted such a society.
@GodsRevelation /watch?v=wupToqz1e2g we are part of the universe, no more or no less important than anything else. When you stop grabbing at old, outdated teachings from men who knew nothing of the world they lived in, who tried to find significance in their lives which they feared their own mortality, you can find happiness in this life, in the now, not in thinking that it will all be better one day.
How did it all begin? Who or what created that first speck of dust that started the universe? How did the first plant, animal, living organism come in to being? Who or what started it all?? You cannot answer that because you do not want to believe there is a God.
@pcc1703 "Who or what started it all?? You cannot answer that"
Be honest man, neither can you.
"you do not want to believe there is a God."
You WANT to believe so you believe. Some of us simply refuse to accept other humans claims. What is so hard to understand about that? I posit that everything you think you know about God has been taught to you by someone else. Am I right?
You are on the side of Satan...Feel good now because maybe later you won't. Here again, someone who claims they read the Bible and understood it. You are so far from the truth. You are right about one thing and that is the people are turning their backs on God in this country. And when He has had enough, we will suffer for it. Not Christians. But those who turned. Satan hates you with a passion, but he is loving what you are doing.
@GodsRevelation If I extend my respect to your faith then I must extend it to the others, too. I don't have tolerance for a book which literally promotes the genocide of religious enemies, rape, murder and racism. Tolerating this would be to pushing us back into the stone ages. It's futile to think that in the true expansiveness of the universe that a man turning wine into water is a deity and not just another one of the hundreds of so-called prophets of his time.
@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
@tigersforchrist your bible quote does not mean anything, for every bible quote you can give me i can return a hundred other quotes from some other random people off the street that says god does not exist. bible quotes are not science and cannot be proven by fact, they are opinions just like how anybody has an opinion!
@tigersforchrist Threatening atheists with the prospective of hell might not have the effect you are expecting. The two possible outcomes are: you make them angry for insulting their intelligence, or you make them laugh.
We can't be scared by something we don't believe exists. We are free. We don't need to be saved.
You, on the other hand, are trapped by your beliefs.
We'd pray for your liberation but we know it wouldn't do anything, so we won't waste our time.
@tigersforchrist He also said "He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. - Mark 3:29"...so even if we all accepted jesus today, we could still not go to heaven...sorry, it was nice of you to try.
@tigersforchrist 'Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God!'
Clearly, because you wrote that in capital letters.
'John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!?'
You sound slightly deranged. But I guess that too much religion is tantamount to a mental disorder.
@ScientologySucksAss No it's not. Actually Islam is winning. Soon Islam will be the largest religion(by 2050)in the world. Atheism has a VERY LONG WAY TO GO, sad but true.
@qvvern An illiterate man presented us with the quran 1400+ years ago with a lot of information, one of the chapters explains the stages of embriology in detail, from the point the embrio is conceived to the ending of this process. Thanks to modern science, scientists now have the tools to check if the quran was correct in this claim and it was, now tell me how a man made book can make such a claim?
@Simplexible "The stages of development which the Qur'an and Hadith established for believers agreed perfectly with Galen's [2nd century] scientific account....There is no doubt that medieval thought appreciated this agreement between the Qur'an and Galen, for Arabic science employed the same Qur'anic terms to describe the Galenic stages." - Basim Musallam, Cambridge University "Sex and Society in Islam" (Cambridge, 1983) p.54.
The Qur'an is a man-made book that made that claim.
@Simplexible STOP LYING. The fact is that the quran like the bible has been altered/modified over the centuries, and if you don't know this then you're quite ignorant.
@99minerkc Dude wtf, LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING BACK! The Quran is the only religious book out of the Bible, Torah, Quran that hasn't been corrupted. All you do is reply out of anger, I've looked this stuff up, do the same and stop being an ignoramus. I don't have time to debate with a fool who makes claims without looking it up.
The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith from Reform Egyptian written on golden pages into Jacobean English in the 1830s and has never even been updated into modern English since then. You can't get much more uncorrupted than that.
It sure beats sayings recorded from memory and written out on assorted leaves, hides and fragments of bark collected years after the author's death.
@pigoutultra It is common knowledge that the Quran isn't corrupted, you saying that it is corrupted or altered is pretty much as stupid as saying 1+1 = 6. You can Travel around the world and every authentic book of Quran you find will be 100% exactly the same as the Quran which was written 1400 years ago. This is also common knowledge.
@Simplexible same as how i can travel the world searching for the same corrupted book. if the source is corrupted, every other replicate will be corrupted too wouldn't it?
@pigoutultra "Is it really worth it? Best to leave them to their delusions"
Unfortunately their delusions affect others. You don't have to dig too deep to see that theocratic nonsense in running rampant in many laws being rammed through state legislatures recently. :)
@Simplexible I don't dispute that the Quran is unchanged from when it was originally written. What I am saying is that since the Quran was based in part on the bible and written about 400 years after the bible was first compiled, it is inherently corrupted due to having sourced a corrupted holy book.
@pigoutultra Well I can't blame you for saying that since it only makes sense you could reply like that however the Quran makes historical sense where the bible doesn't so saying it copies the bible is like saying you gathered 100 gold nuggets from a pit that only has 20. When the Quran explains what happened in moses's time when the pharoah wanted a diolog with god the Quran tells us the man who built the pharoah the pedostool's name, the bible doesn't. Egyptologists say the man...
@Simplexible There is not a single credible historical text that proves the jews were slaves to the egyptians at any time. Also no evidence of moses ever having existed.
@pigoutultra moses was mentioned in quran as one of god's mightiest prophets and his whole life involving freeing the slaves. There is not much evidence for much people existing but for moses the evidence he existed was the fact that he presented the torah.
@pigoutultra The man mentioned in the Quran was the Pharoah's lead architect at the time, bare in mind the Quran was written while ancient egypt's language was dead so there was no way the prophet could have travelled to research it to get one up on the christians, and also bare in mind that the prophet was illiterate so I didn't even have to mention this since he couldn't have copied the bible if he couldn't even read his own language (arabic) let alone hebrew, latin or greek.
@pigoutultra You have your information mixed up, while the Quran was written over exactly 26 years, it was completed in book format before the prophet muhammad (saw) died, this is one of the reasons some would say christopher hitchens and even richard hawkins are unqualified to debate against the Quran.
@99minerkc Dude wtf, LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING BACK! The Quran is the only religious book out of the Bible, Torah, Quran that hasn't been corrupted. All you do is reply out of anger, I've looked this stuff up, do the same and stop being an ignoramus. I don't have time to debate with a fool who makes claims without looking it up.
you cant read the bible like a story book you need to study it and go through all of the different aspects of the bible and not take it at its word for word value because it is worth much more
when you read it you should instead read it like a user Manuel. god gave us the bible as a guide not a story book or something that we should blindly believe
if you read the bible like a story you will turn atheist because the story goes allot deeper than a story that teaches us something
no. Im saying that the bible is the truth of god given to us as a guide so that we can fallow what he tells us to do on a day to day bases. the days where god would speak to prophets is over and we need scripture to tell us what gods will is.
well you could say that the old testament came from Israel and it is a nation that came from farmers/shepherds but not all of the writers where shepherds e.g. the prophets and the Apostles, and yes the book was written physicality by men but it was divinely inspired.
yea your right I would disagree with Pat Robertson. because I'm a Christian doesnt mean that I agree with every thing that every outer Christian says. but the bible says "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many" mat 24:5 the days of the prophets are over
and of coerce we don't KNOW all of gods plans but we do know what the bible tells us is gods will. you dismissing it doesn't make it any less true. but you need to have faith in god
@MrCheeseLover405 ""For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many" mat 24:5 the days of the prophets are over"
Truth or lies, he is claiming divine revelation. Now how are his claims any more/less false or ridiculous than those who came before? Because someone said that Christ said so?
one of the very last things that was put in the bible was "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" rev 22:18 pat appears to be adding things to the bible when it has not been signed off by god. he has been warned by this verse. I would tell him and his followers to read his bible.
@MrCheeseLover405 Your missing my point. Either he is a flat out liar(which I think is the case)or he truly thinks he is receiving divine revelation(in which case how to determine revelation from delusion).
How can you say on one hand Robertson is not the recipient of divine revelation while on the other hand believe that the authors of The Bible were?
well my faith in the bible is just that "faith" and there is no way for me to physically show you how the bible was written other than what the bible says. a lot of atheists or agnostics would ask for evidence of the bible or god.
but Jesus has a parable about them. Luke 16:19-31. In short the rich man asks for a man to be razed from the dead to warn his brothers. but Abraham says If they don't listen to Prophets they won't be convinced even if someone rises from the dead
@MrCheeseLover405 If Atheists were really interested in finding proof of God's existence they should pray to Yahweh and ask him to show them something they can believe. Hence the whole "ask and you shall recieve". But they won't pray to him because they do no believe he exists. To them it would be like praying to bugs bunny. If they do not believe it's because they wer enot predestined to, as the book of Ephesians deals with predestiney.
@lonewolf19792000 you couldn't be more wrong...I was raised Lutheran, and once I started reading the bible, I started having doubts. I prayed for guidance and prayed for god to show me where I could find proof that the bible was true...I spent 7 years begging god and seeking for the answers, but the more I read, the more I realized the evidence to the contrary was stronger. The day I made the realization that there was no god was the greatest day of my life...a weight was lifted and I was free
@Ms2blue1pink So true. I remember when i got out of church and gradually drifted away from my faith i was feeling so free, so unbound by these rules. It's like a kid moving out of his parents house and eating ice cream for dinner. LoLz I realized that even if god was real and i came to the realization that he was real, i probably still wouldn't go back to that.
@Ms2blue1pink Buddy, I really liked your story here, is almost 100% identical to mine. I remember praying for God to give me evidence, to give me Faith that he existed, to explain all the evil in this world, etc, until I realized the simplest explanation for all, it's just that there is no god, simple as that. Salutes from Costa Rica.
@darksin7 Hello, costa rica! I think my story could be ALOT of atheists stories...I think that Christians have this misconception that atheists just want to sleep in on sunday.The truth is, most who went from christianity to atheism struggled for a long time with religion.It is not a choice made lightly or made without thought.That is probably why any atheist can out quote the bible to most christians...they've studied it, pondered over it's words and come to the conclusion it was all BS.....
@Ms2blue1pink That's... an interesting analogy to homosexuality, too. Not that I'm saying that; you're free to be whoever you are, and thank-you for speaking from your heart. Just noting the interesting parallels.
well I have asked and I have received. I thank the lord for what he has given me. when I have asked god for evidence but I always come to this verse "you shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah"
god never answered me that prayer but he has has answered me enough prayers that I don't need to ask him for evidence
there are many atheists out there who are precedented. god is yet to help them and revel himself to them. but an atheist must read the bible with an open mind and hart if they are to believe.
if they do start believe then they are then a theist and must ask god for forgiveness and to allow him to work in them. but it all must start with the bible
You should know that when you talk to god it's a prayer, when god talks too you it's schizophrenia.
The New testament has no singular author and no uniformity on the teachings & tenets being presented in them, The same is true in the OT, Every book you have in the NT was voted into canon by the church councils & the various summits in 4-5th century ad of the pre-schism Roman Catholic church.
there are a few websites that would give you better in-depth than a YouTube comments page but i would say to look at Psalms 119:105 "Your word is a lamp for my feet a light on my path."
@MrCheeseLover405 it's insulting of you to suggest we are getting information from a Youtube comments page.As I've said before,most atheists have studied the bible, pondered over it's words,and made the heart wrenching decision it was phony.It was not an easy realization to come to and wasn't made lightly.Ps I attend bible studies occasionally,it serves to reinforce my conclusion of it's uselessness."He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.Mark 3:29"too late for me.
I of coerce try my best not ignore parts of the bible. if have seen it is a big book and I'm not that much of a reader. but when I read a bit I read the context and if I don't understand it I ask my minister or some one with more experiences. but I have faith in what the bible says to me.
@th3r3dr3dkroovy I agree, it is a prejudice based on some truth;however religious bigotry is based on superstition and is much more profound becuase it contemplates eternal existential matters. When the stakes are that high the result is genecide,infanticide,murder,child abuse,spousal abuse and on and on....have you ever read the bible ? I went to a private Christian high school and grew up in a very Christian environment.The more I learned the more atheism became a part of who I was.
when i started reading the bible it made me a beliver .plus hereing david c pack who is a bible base teacher ,but lets just love each orther and work to inprove ourselfs our plant and all those who need it,
"when someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda." (direct quote from Penn Jillette) ....interestingly, he's doing the same thing. His agenda, however, is atheism. I would have to agree with him on another statement from the video however..."read it (the Bible) for yourself"...the Bible will speak truth for itself.
I really like Penn and think he is a very intelligent man. But I do disagree with some of what he is saying. Through my journey of reading the Bible cover to cover I see many of the things he sees.
However, it does not lead me to believe GOD doesn't exist or that Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be. It does lead me to believe that the Bible is obviously not the 100% word of GOD. It was written by men and is full of contradiction and bigotry (namely the Old Testament).
@205whiteboy I see, but even the parts that are quoted from Jesus himself, shows signs of oppression and intolerance. So, it makes one believe that those quotes, attributed to Jesus, are in fact the word of an ordinary men, not god or his son (Clearly, the all loving son of god wouldn't be an oppresor, right?), making the bible 0% the word of god, and 100% the word of tribe leaders.
@Butchersniper To an extent I agree with you. I believe much of what the four gospels quote are things Jesus said (or at least close to it). Some was likely added or outright changed. I can't speak for everyone here, only myself. But what I look for is consistency in the character of Jesus. I agree that the all loving son of GOD would not be an oppressor so when I see quotes that imply such I have to ask if Jesus spoke these words or did man add them (I lean towards the latter). Just my opinion.
Imagine trying to understand the context of any book by just reading a few passages and not the book in it's entirety? Very few Christians have ever bothered to read the Bible cover to cover and yet still they try to wield it a some kind of weapon of truth.
Where did the singularity that created the big bang come from? How was it created? If who?
Its impossible to me, that everything has allways been. What created everything? and the bigbang theory doesn't cut it. The big bang is an explosion that explodes, then collapes on itself, then explodes again in a repeat, that our universe is.
@jpawhees Putting aside science for a second ( i beleive there are several esoteric theories which could explain the big bang, put they cannot be confirmed because our astronomers can't see that far, and our physicists can't reach high enough energies) and assuming you are correct, and matter can't have arrived on its own, then we are left with two options. A. infinite God. B. infinite matter. We already know matter can exist, because it does, we can't see God. Occams razor therefore supports B
@TheClockworkPenguin the reason why we can't see futher than we can is because light wasn't around in the past. and when u look at the stars u are seeing are a delayed image. so when you look at the sun the image is delayed 8 minutes from when the light originaly occured. so a star ur looking at right now, may not be there right now. it could of blown up a while ago and we wouldn't be able to tell till the light gets to us.
@jpawhees I know that. It also means that the further out we look, the further back in time we see, but we can't see all the way back to the start, because for a few million years the universe wasn't transparent, because there were too many unbound charges to interact with and scatter the electromagnetic radiation. However this is all besides the point, which was that even though scientists can't test their theories (yet) it is fallacious to suggest that their aren't any scientific explanations.
i was a christian then i read the bible at 6 and turned atheist.
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"I can conceive how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God." -- Abraham Lincoln
Do they not look at the sky above them?― How We have made it and adorned, it and there are no flaws in it? (Holy Quran:50:6)]
Mancunian786 10 hours ago
I was a christian for years without really studying the bible. I became an atheist the day right after I read the bible seriously.
alexsolosm 19 hours ago
Jesus read the Old testament that's why he is an atheist
fsxmantra 23 hours ago
It's kind of funny because if I had to cast God in a movie I would get Penn Jillette.
WMDimes 23 hours ago
This guy is not just an illusionist. He's damn smart.
Jwestcott5000 1 day ago
I don't see why Big Think would use Penn as a speaker. He's a magician, not a scientist.
NeverevenStudios 2 days ago
@NeverevenStudios The channel is called "Big Think" does it really matter where the idea's come from? Does it matter if they're a magician, politician, physicist, chemist, economist, or hair dresser? I thought it was the ideas and thoughts that were important.
Mach1048 2 days ago 10
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I was assuming Big Think was an organization for people who have contributed to the field of science. When I see the related videos listing people like Kaku, Dawkins and Kurzweil - who all have years of experience in their respective fields - and then some street magician with an opinion, it seems out of place. That's just my opinion, though.
NeverevenStudios 2 days ago
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@NeverevenStudios 'I don't see why Big Think would use Penn as a speaker. He's a magician, not a scientist.'
Magicians are often the best thinkers. They can spot frauds and other shenanigans better than most people, because they understand the art of deception. Some of the greatest skeptics are magicians (James Randi, for example).
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
Nice to have a f*cking Scientology advert playing during this video -_-
JDLupus 2 days ago
@MrPornxxxLover Ron Wyatt's claims have not only been debunked, they've been debunked by christian apologetics Websites, such as "Answers in Genesis" and "Tentmakers."
YY4Me133 2 days ago
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Wow, this guy is so lost! If you don't like what The Bible has to say, don't read it! You don't have to block out every little bit of it and conclude that God doesn't exist! He does, and he does amazing things. Living a life without God is like living Black and White, it's dull and tasteless. Don't ever bother arguing with me. I'm not going to waste my time responding to my witty comments.
gaiaon123 3 days ago
@gaiaon123 "Don't ever bother arguing with me. I'm not going to waste my time responding to my witty comments."
Thank God!
hawklord2001 3 days ago
@gaiaon123 It's like you didn't even think about what you were going to type before you typed it.
maximus3693 2 days ago
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@'Wow, this guy is so lost! If you don't like what The Bible has to say, don't read it! '
I hope you realise how retarded that was. How can someone come to a determination of what they think about the Bible if they don't read it?
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
@gaiaon123 'You don't have to block out every little bit of it and conclude that God doesn't exist!'
Ummm, you just said 'don't read it'. So is he supposed to read it or not?
'Living a life without God is like living Black and White, it's dull and tasteless.'
Only if you think that the wonder of the universe and the complexity of nature is tasteless. Please don't project your own miserable mindset onto other people. I'm sorry that you see nothing beautiful about reality without God.
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
@gaiaon123 you're gay
ithinkmynameisralf 1 day ago
Funny, I was an atheist and I read the Bible in order to learn it to refute it. But instead, I came out a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ because I soon realized that no mere man could have written it! I am sorry for those here who have taken a different path and become atheists, for whatever their reasons, because I believe that ultimately they will all be be ashamed of themselves for doing so when they have to face the living Lord and give an account for their lives.
slaveofmonstery 3 days ago
@slaveofmonstery You're right, no mere man wrote it. A group of mere men wrote it.
DII117 3 days ago
@slaveofmonstery it seems like you are still unsure, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time researching atheism again.
steelah2012 3 days ago
@slaveofmonstery "I came out a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ because I soon realized that no mere man could have written it!"
YIKES! You've never read Homer's Odyssey, The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Tale of Sinuhe?
Btw The Gospel of Mark appears to be a retelling of the Odyssey. With very clear parallels if not blatant copying.
hawklord2001 3 days ago
@slaveofmonstery 'But instead, I came out a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ because I soon realized that no mere man could have written it'
Really? I once had a stab at the Bible myself. I got up to the middle of Exodus or thereabouts (where 'such-and-such begot such-and-such. It was tedious as fuck). All I could think when I was reading it was, 'Man, what cunt wrote this?'
Your 'realisation' speaks of a weak and small mind. Sorry.
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
@slaveofmonstery 'I am sorry for those here who have taken a different path and become atheists'
Hang you, you said that you were an atheist BEFORE you became Christian. So did you also 'become' an atheist before that was well? I've always been an atheist, and my considerations of the boring, blatantly man-made myths of ancient texts that there's nothing too dopey that people with sufficiently weak and vulnerable minds will fall for.
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
@slaveofmonstery 'for whatever their reasons, because I believe that ultimately they will all be be ashamed of themselves for doing so when they have to face the living Lord and give an account for their lives.'
What's wrong with that? Why is making a mistake about theological questions such a monstrous crime? If i ever have to account to God for my atheism, I'll just tell him that he didn't provide enough evidence of his existence, and that his fan-club don't qualify in my eyes as teachers.
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
@villemacken Spot on buddy!! someones made a sensible comment on here
SLKing320 3 days ago
Christians read the Bible, Atheists understand it!
villemackan 3 days ago
I am a nobody and I would love to sit down and answer all of Penn's concerns and questions I could answer these without a cop out "spiritual" answer, but I don't think a person can learn math without having a math teacher. Penn and others cannot understand the bible just like he would not be able to figure out Algebra on his own. Elvis Did do drugs....
trajanb1 5 days ago
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@trajanb1 OK, forget Penn. I would love to hear your "ANSWER"!
The Bible says the earth, sun, stars etc was created in 6 days about 6,000 years ago.
I will make 2 points as to how we know that is bullshit. !) First overcome all the geological evidence that shows this world is far, far, far older than 6 days
2) The stars and planets. Considering the speed of which light travels, how is it we can see stars when if the world was only 6,000 year, The light shouldn't have reached us yet.
MrSgnobodi 5 days ago
@trajanb1 I taught my self college algebra and tested out of it.
ANBUspecialBlackops 4 days ago
Okay, you speak of the bible and associate it with the Quran as if it's the same thing. You may be right about the bible, but don't let your iv orange spill into Islam. Even if it's not 'real' the disciplin you learn from it will keep you the best you can be.
TheNarutoAMVs 5 days ago
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@TheNarutoAMVs 'You may be right about the bible, but don't let your iv orange spill into Islam. Even if it's not 'real' the disciplin you learn from it will keep you the best you can be.'
Irrelevant. The Koran still makes lots of obnoxious claims that have caused more harm than good. You can get discipline from reading lots of self-help books or books about personal stories of perseverance, or indeed from good fiction, and without the theistic tripe.
cayetanoluis2 4 days ago
Read quran in this site :D
quran.com
also visit
islamreligion . com
KurdishMuslimGirl 6 days ago
4:50 "Out of the closet atheists"? When did Atheism become the new homosexual?
joeymjones 6 days ago
Yes. OK. What is Faith??? It is a person's choice that all I saying. If you feel there is no God that is what you believe. I happen to believe otherwise. Thank you for your response.
pcc1703 6 days ago
@pcc1703 'It is a person's choice that all I saying. If you feel there is no God that is what you believe.'
No, that isn't 'all'. Faith is the choice to believe in something in spite of (or even BECAUSE OF) the lack of evidence. I know it's fun and sounds vaguely smart to claim that atheism is 'another faith', but atheism is simply the refusal to believe in outlandish, bollocks claims that have not even a scrap of evidence to back them up. That's a choice, but it's not 'faith'.
cayetanoluis2 4 days ago
Yes. Written by man inspired by God. God is Almighty and what people failed to believe is that He can do that. It is your choice as to how you want to believe or whether you believe or not. God leave that up to yo. I no mare can convince hard core atheist there is no more that they can convince me there is no God. Yes. God started it all. It is your choice.
pcc1703 6 days ago
@pcc1703 "Written by man inspired by God'
How are you able to determine divine revelation from human delusion?
"God is Almighty and what people failed to believe is that He can do that"
I dismiss human claims that he can do this.
"God started it all"
Your stating opinion as fact.
hawklord2001 6 days ago
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@pcc1703 'Written by man inspired by God.'
There's nothing in any of these religious texts that even remotely hints at a non-human origin. The content is so parochial that it's bleedingly obvious to anyone with an open mind and who can think logically that these texts were written by flawed, largely ignorant human beings with an agenda. You might as well also sacrifice goats to the eclipse if you take the Bible or Koran seriously.
cayetanoluis2 6 days ago
I'm getting sick of all these Scientology ads on YouTube, my "extremism sense" is tingling!
PowerMadLabRat 6 days ago
"Very true indeed!"
MrWINNSLAW 1 week ago
Everything I know about God I learned reading the Bible and studying the actual meaning of His Holy Word. Yes. I participate in Bible study because that makes my faith ever stronger. You have to know what God's Word is telling you before you can believe. But (circle the "but") it is still your choice.
pcc1703 1 week ago
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@pcc1703 'You have to know what God's Word is telling you before you can believe. But (circle the "but") it is still your choice.'
Right, but you mean the Christian God, right? Not the Islamic God, or the Hindu God/s, or any of the other gods that humanity has ever believed in. Funny, though, how these other gods also operate by the exact same logic as your one (i.e the negation of logic), and how their apologists use the exact same special pleading ('you have to know His word first')
cayetanoluis2 6 days ago
Please don't get me wrong.I'm not trying to push any kind of beliefs onto anyone. I know by my faith in God they He created all of this as well as you & me. So, if there isn't a God, then who started it? People will have their time with God. And if you do not believe, that is your choice.
pcc1703 1 week ago
@pcc1703 "So, if there isn't a God, then who started it?"
What makes you think there is a who?
"Everything I know about God I learned reading the Bible and studying the actual meaning of His Holy Word.'
You DO know that His holy word was written by humans?
hawklord2001 6 days ago
@pcc1703 'I know by my faith in God they He created all of this as well as you & me.'
No, you BELIEVE by your faith. Faith doesn't equivocate to knowledge. Can you imagine a scientists saying 'I know by my faith that this protein is produced by this gene'? Somehow, theists imagine that they can get away with the most obnoxious claims to knowledge simply by virtue of their 'faith' that it's true. Well, of course you're free to think that way, but you should realise that it's stupid.
cayetanoluis2 6 days ago
I am agnostic myself, but if people wanna believe there is no god, who am I to judge? Not my place nor is for me to tell them where I think they will be going for not believing what I believe... This country is very religious based yet (any) bible thumper forgets that this country was also based on tolerance.
Koga1167 1 week ago
@Koga1167
Do you believe there is a god, or don't you?
c6gunner 1 week ago
He did make a few inaccurate statements, the Lord was not okay with Lots daughter being raped and beaten, why do you think He burned the cities afterwards? While the Old Testament is very, very violent and brutal there was something called the New Testament. Jesus ushered in a new social order of love and respect to your fellow humans.
aRAUSEr7 1 week ago
@aRAUSEr7
He burned the cities because of the sodomy. He had no problem with the rape of young women. Lot is held up as the example of complete morality - he saved two men from being raped by offering up his virgin daughters instead. In the bible this is clearly framed as a "Good Thing". He is rewarded for his actions.
c6gunner 1 week ago
@c6gunner not true, read on.
GodsRevelation 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation
Not true, read on.
c6gunner 1 week ago
@c6gunner I did a bit of reading and it appears we all mixed up the account. Lot offered his daughters to protect his guests, but they pulled him back into the house and prevented the rape from happening. The other account where a woman was raped happened in Judges. None of this was condoned ever. The fact that Lot was saved from destruction does not prove God being okay with it. If God were to save based on how good a person was no one would be saved.
aRAUSEr7 6 days ago
@aRAUSEr7 'Jesus ushered in a new social order of love and respect to your fellow humans. '
He did no such thing. Christendom was ruled by dictatorial oligarchies and clerical establishments with few egalitarian impulses. I'd love to know when Jesus 'ushered in' the society you mentioned.
cayetanoluis2 6 days ago
@cayetanoluis2 The Catholic church does not follow what is taught in the Bible. They have created a religion that is based on control by the church. Confession is merely a way for the Catholic priests to have control, or at least the illusion of it, over peoples lives. When people tried to break free from it and follow what is said in the Bible they started killing the reformers off with inquisitions and wars. Perhaps ushered in was a incorrect term, he promoted such a society.
aRAUSEr7 6 days ago
@GodsRevelation /watch?v=wupToqz1e2g we are part of the universe, no more or no less important than anything else. When you stop grabbing at old, outdated teachings from men who knew nothing of the world they lived in, who tried to find significance in their lives which they feared their own mortality, you can find happiness in this life, in the now, not in thinking that it will all be better one day.
Gazmanaust 1 week ago
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Gazmanaust 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation I can't respect your delusional beliefs any more than you can respect my paranoid delusions that people are out to get me. (they are)
zakmyrr 1 week ago
How did it all begin? Who or what created that first speck of dust that started the universe? How did the first plant, animal, living organism come in to being? Who or what started it all?? You cannot answer that because you do not want to believe there is a God.
pcc1703 1 week ago
@pcc1703 "Who or what started it all?? You cannot answer that"
Be honest man, neither can you.
"you do not want to believe there is a God."
You WANT to believe so you believe. Some of us simply refuse to accept other humans claims. What is so hard to understand about that? I posit that everything you think you know about God has been taught to you by someone else. Am I right?
hawklord2001 1 week ago
You are on the side of Satan...Feel good now because maybe later you won't. Here again, someone who claims they read the Bible and understood it. You are so far from the truth. You are right about one thing and that is the people are turning their backs on God in this country. And when He has had enough, we will suffer for it. Not Christians. But those who turned. Satan hates you with a passion, but he is loving what you are doing.
pcc1703 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation If I extend my respect to your faith then I must extend it to the others, too. I don't have tolerance for a book which literally promotes the genocide of religious enemies, rape, murder and racism. Tolerating this would be to pushing us back into the stone ages. It's futile to think that in the true expansiveness of the universe that a man turning wine into water is a deity and not just another one of the hundreds of so-called prophets of his time.
Gazmanaust 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation you are a complete moron and I have no respect for you
GamersPlaystation3 1 week ago
YOU are selective! you tell the HALF. YOU are blinded by satan. I feel disgusted
GodsRevelation 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation you mad bro? christianity dying out just like zues, poseidon and those who worshiped the sun.
Gazmanaust 1 week ago
@Gazmanaust - - - reaction above...
GodsRevelation 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation /watch?v=p_naQhynOg0
If you consider your faith so strong then watch this, it should be no issue.
Gazmanaust 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation "YOU are blinded by satan"
How can you be so sure? Is not most of what we know of Satan written by his enemies?
"I feel disgusted'
Maybe its just gas.
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
chileo1 1 week ago
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@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
chileo1 1 week ago
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@GodsRevelation Hell yeah I love satan. This weekend me and satan are gonna go to heaven, chain up god and jesus and make them butt fuck eachother till they cum inside eachothers asshole and over their own faces.
chileo1 1 week ago
Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
tigersforchrist 1 week ago
@tigersforchrist your bible quote does not mean anything, for every bible quote you can give me i can return a hundred other quotes from some other random people off the street that says god does not exist. bible quotes are not science and cannot be proven by fact, they are opinions just like how anybody has an opinion!
forumics 1 week ago
@tigersforchrist Threatening atheists with the prospective of hell might not have the effect you are expecting. The two possible outcomes are: you make them angry for insulting their intelligence, or you make them laugh.
We can't be scared by something we don't believe exists. We are free. We don't need to be saved.
You, on the other hand, are trapped by your beliefs.
We'd pray for your liberation but we know it wouldn't do anything, so we won't waste our time.
seban678 1 week ago
@tigersforchrist Proselytism is ineffective on youtube comments.
pigoutultra 1 week ago
@tigersforchrist He also said "He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. - Mark 3:29"...so even if we all accepted jesus today, we could still not go to heaven...sorry, it was nice of you to try.
Ms2blue1pink 3 days ago
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@tigersforchrist 'Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God!'
Clearly, because you wrote that in capital letters.
'John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!?'
You sound slightly deranged. But I guess that too much religion is tantamount to a mental disorder.
cayetanoluis2 2 days ago
Oh wow... there is so much stupidity in these arguments... it hurts.
TheMitchin 1 week ago
Watching penn always makes me feel like we're chummy haha.
0banon 1 week ago
ATHEISM IS WINNING!
ScientologySucksAss 1 week ago
@ScientologySucksAss No it's not. Actually Islam is winning. Soon Islam will be the largest religion(by 2050)in the world. Atheism has a VERY LONG WAY TO GO, sad but true.
99minerkc 1 week ago
No joke, the ad on this video said "Scientology is the study of truth".
I am officially done with humanity. That's it. Can't take anymore.
FireUntoFlame 1 week ago
What's the best version of The Bible to read?
LeonShepard 1 week ago
@LeonShepard The "Jefferson bible"is the best.
99minerkc 1 week ago
@Voltar143 Give me 1 proof that God exist.
qvvern 1 week ago
@qvvern An illiterate man presented us with the quran 1400+ years ago with a lot of information, one of the chapters explains the stages of embriology in detail, from the point the embrio is conceived to the ending of this process. Thanks to modern science, scientists now have the tools to check if the quran was correct in this claim and it was, now tell me how a man made book can make such a claim?
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible I hope your joking.
kongming84 1 week ago
@Simplexible "The stages of development which the Qur'an and Hadith established for believers agreed perfectly with Galen's [2nd century] scientific account....There is no doubt that medieval thought appreciated this agreement between the Qur'an and Galen, for Arabic science employed the same Qur'anic terms to describe the Galenic stages." - Basim Musallam, Cambridge University "Sex and Society in Islam" (Cambridge, 1983) p.54.
The Qur'an is a man-made book that made that claim.
itsonlymepeople 1 week ago
@Simplexible STOP LYING. The fact is that the quran like the bible has been altered/modified over the centuries, and if you don't know this then you're quite ignorant.
99minerkc 1 week ago
@99minerkc Dude wtf, LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING BACK! The Quran is the only religious book out of the Bible, Torah, Quran that hasn't been corrupted. All you do is reply out of anger, I've looked this stuff up, do the same and stop being an ignoramus. I don't have time to debate with a fool who makes claims without looking it up.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible
The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith from Reform Egyptian written on golden pages into Jacobean English in the 1830s and has never even been updated into modern English since then. You can't get much more uncorrupted than that.
It sure beats sayings recorded from memory and written out on assorted leaves, hides and fragments of bark collected years after the author's death.
EvenGodsSuffer 1 week ago
@Simplexible it is most certainly corrupted, it is based of of the bible and torah, the only thing it has going for it is it has a singular author.
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Simplexible 1 week ago
@pigoutultra It is common knowledge that the Quran isn't corrupted, you saying that it is corrupted or altered is pretty much as stupid as saying 1+1 = 6. You can Travel around the world and every authentic book of Quran you find will be 100% exactly the same as the Quran which was written 1400 years ago. This is also common knowledge.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible same as how i can travel the world searching for the same corrupted book. if the source is corrupted, every other replicate will be corrupted too wouldn't it?
forumics 1 week ago
@forumics Is it really worth it? Best to leave them to their delusions.
pigoutultra 1 week ago
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@pigoutultra "Is it really worth it? Best to leave them to their delusions"
Unfortunately their delusions affect others. You don't have to dig too deep to see that theocratic nonsense in running rampant in many laws being rammed through state legislatures recently. :)
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@Simplexible I don't dispute that the Quran is unchanged from when it was originally written. What I am saying is that since the Quran was based in part on the bible and written about 400 years after the bible was first compiled, it is inherently corrupted due to having sourced a corrupted holy book.
pigoutultra 1 week ago
@pigoutultra Well I can't blame you for saying that since it only makes sense you could reply like that however the Quran makes historical sense where the bible doesn't so saying it copies the bible is like saying you gathered 100 gold nuggets from a pit that only has 20. When the Quran explains what happened in moses's time when the pharoah wanted a diolog with god the Quran tells us the man who built the pharoah the pedostool's name, the bible doesn't. Egyptologists say the man...
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible There is not a single credible historical text that proves the jews were slaves to the egyptians at any time. Also no evidence of moses ever having existed.
pigoutultra 1 week ago
@pigoutultra moses was mentioned in quran as one of god's mightiest prophets and his whole life involving freeing the slaves. There is not much evidence for much people existing but for moses the evidence he existed was the fact that he presented the torah.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@pigoutultra The man mentioned in the Quran was the Pharoah's lead architect at the time, bare in mind the Quran was written while ancient egypt's language was dead so there was no way the prophet could have travelled to research it to get one up on the christians, and also bare in mind that the prophet was illiterate so I didn't even have to mention this since he couldn't have copied the bible if he couldn't even read his own language (arabic) let alone hebrew, latin or greek.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible Muhammad didn't write the Quran, it was written in it's current form about 20 years after he died.
pigoutultra 1 week ago
@pigoutultra You have your information mixed up, while the Quran was written over exactly 26 years, it was completed in book format before the prophet muhammad (saw) died, this is one of the reasons some would say christopher hitchens and even richard hawkins are unqualified to debate against the Quran.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Simplexible Christopher Hitchens puts it very clearly /B8ulS20Azrs
pigoutultra 1 week ago
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@99minerkc Dude wtf, LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING BACK! The Quran is the only religious book out of the Bible, Torah, Quran that hasn't been corrupted. All you do is reply out of anger, I've looked this stuff up, do the same and stop being an ignoramus. I don't have time to debate with a fool who makes claims without looking it up.
Simplexible 1 week ago
@Voltar143 Thats not what he was asked to explain about, stupid.
qvvern 1 week ago
If the Bible is God’s book, why didn’t he give it to everyone? - Moberg 'The Rum Diary'.
TheGylden 1 week ago
wow, this video is an embarrasment, this person has no thinking capacity of how or why did this shit happens in the bible.
Voltar143 1 week ago
Atheists should read all kinds of faith books then compare it to the bible with an open mind and not atheistic mind.
Voltar143 1 week ago 2
you cant read the bible like a story book you need to study it and go through all of the different aspects of the bible and not take it at its word for word value because it is worth much more
when you read it you should instead read it like a user Manuel. god gave us the bible as a guide not a story book or something that we should blindly believe
if you read the bible like a story you will turn atheist because the story goes allot deeper than a story that teaches us something
MrCheeseLover405 2 weeks ago
@MrCheeseLover405 So your saying the Bible is just a guide, not the true word of God?
gb63100 1 week ago
@gb63100
no. Im saying that the bible is the truth of god given to us as a guide so that we can fallow what he tells us to do on a day to day bases. the days where god would speak to prophets is over and we need scripture to tell us what gods will is.
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@MrCheeseLover405 The book was made by men. Men who herded sheep in the desert.
kongming84 1 week ago
@kongming84
well you could say that the old testament came from Israel and it is a nation that came from farmers/shepherds but not all of the writers where shepherds e.g. the prophets and the Apostles, and yes the book was written physicality by men but it was divinely inspired.
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
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@MrCheeseLover405 "yes the book was written physicality by men but it was divinely inspired."
And you can show this to be true how?
hawklord2001 1 week ago
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@MrCheeseLover405 "Im saying that the bible is the truth of god given to us"
Through divine revelation, which you CANNOT show to be anything more than human delusion.
"the days where god would speak to prophets is over " Pat Robertson would disagree.
"we need scripture to tell us what gods will is.
I dismiss the claims of humans regarding what THEY THINK God's will is. And make no mistake that's all The Bible is.
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@hawklord2001
yea your right I would disagree with Pat Robertson. because I'm a Christian doesnt mean that I agree with every thing that every outer Christian says. but the bible says "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many" mat 24:5 the days of the prophets are over
and of coerce we don't KNOW all of gods plans but we do know what the bible tells us is gods will. you dismissing it doesn't make it any less true. but you need to have faith in god
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
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@MrCheeseLover405 ""For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many" mat 24:5 the days of the prophets are over"
Truth or lies, he is claiming divine revelation. Now how are his claims any more/less false or ridiculous than those who came before? Because someone said that Christ said so?
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@hawklord2001
one of the very last things that was put in the bible was "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" rev 22:18 pat appears to be adding things to the bible when it has not been signed off by god. he has been warned by this verse. I would tell him and his followers to read his bible.
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@MrCheeseLover405 Your missing my point. Either he is a flat out liar(which I think is the case)or he truly thinks he is receiving divine revelation(in which case how to determine revelation from delusion).
How can you say on one hand Robertson is not the recipient of divine revelation while on the other hand believe that the authors of The Bible were?
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@hawklord2001
well my faith in the bible is just that "faith" and there is no way for me to physically show you how the bible was written other than what the bible says. a lot of atheists or agnostics would ask for evidence of the bible or god.
but Jesus has a parable about them. Luke 16:19-31. In short the rich man asks for a man to be razed from the dead to warn his brothers. but Abraham says If they don't listen to Prophets they won't be convinced even if someone rises from the dead
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@MrCheeseLover405 If Atheists were really interested in finding proof of God's existence they should pray to Yahweh and ask him to show them something they can believe. Hence the whole "ask and you shall recieve". But they won't pray to him because they do no believe he exists. To them it would be like praying to bugs bunny. If they do not believe it's because they wer enot predestined to, as the book of Ephesians deals with predestiney.
lonewolf19792000 1 week ago
@lonewolf19792000 you couldn't be more wrong...I was raised Lutheran, and once I started reading the bible, I started having doubts. I prayed for guidance and prayed for god to show me where I could find proof that the bible was true...I spent 7 years begging god and seeking for the answers, but the more I read, the more I realized the evidence to the contrary was stronger. The day I made the realization that there was no god was the greatest day of my life...a weight was lifted and I was free
Ms2blue1pink 1 week ago in playlist Atheist Awareness 39
@Ms2blue1pink Don't try to convince him. He's a lone wolf.
Enividaliehs 1 week ago
@Ms2blue1pink So true. I remember when i got out of church and gradually drifted away from my faith i was feeling so free, so unbound by these rules. It's like a kid moving out of his parents house and eating ice cream for dinner. LoLz I realized that even if god was real and i came to the realization that he was real, i probably still wouldn't go back to that.
HPGWellscraft 1 week ago
@HPGWellscraft I feel you, bro! Free at last! FREE at last! FREE AT LAST!
PresidentChristopher 1 week ago
@Ms2blue1pink Buddy, I really liked your story here, is almost 100% identical to mine. I remember praying for God to give me evidence, to give me Faith that he existed, to explain all the evil in this world, etc, until I realized the simplest explanation for all, it's just that there is no god, simple as that. Salutes from Costa Rica.
darksin7 5 days ago
@darksin7 Hello, costa rica! I think my story could be ALOT of atheists stories...I think that Christians have this misconception that atheists just want to sleep in on sunday.The truth is, most who went from christianity to atheism struggled for a long time with religion.It is not a choice made lightly or made without thought.That is probably why any atheist can out quote the bible to most christians...they've studied it, pondered over it's words and come to the conclusion it was all BS.....
Ms2blue1pink 5 days ago 20
@Ms2blue1pink That's... an interesting analogy to homosexuality, too. Not that I'm saying that; you're free to be whoever you are, and thank-you for speaking from your heart. Just noting the interesting parallels.
JDLupus 2 days ago
@lonewolf19792000 that's so redundant..how can we pray to a man we don't believe in.
there's nothing special about your religion..there were religions before it and there will be religions after it
AntiMatter3000 1 week ago
@lonewolf19792000 "Hence the whole "ask and you shall recieve"'
Yep,dig real deep and repeat it to yourself until you believe it.
"To them it would be like praying to bugs bunny"
Well to be fair I have seen bugs bunny on TV, so there is some small amount of evidence.
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@hawklord2001
well I have asked and I have received. I thank the lord for what he has given me. when I have asked god for evidence but I always come to this verse "you shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah"
god never answered me that prayer but he has has answered me enough prayers that I don't need to ask him for evidence
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@lonewolf19792000
there are many atheists out there who are precedented. god is yet to help them and revel himself to them. but an atheist must read the bible with an open mind and hart if they are to believe.
if they do start believe then they are then a theist and must ask god for forgiveness and to allow him to work in them. but it all must start with the bible
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@lonewolf19792000
You should know that when you talk to god it's a prayer, when god talks too you it's schizophrenia.
The New testament has no singular author and no uniformity on the teachings & tenets being presented in them, The same is true in the OT, Every book you have in the NT was voted into canon by the church councils & the various summits in 4-5th century ad of the pre-schism Roman Catholic church.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 week ago
@MrCheeseLover405 "god gave us the bible as a guide"
How do you know this?
hawklord2001 1 week ago
@hawklord2001
there are a few websites that would give you better in-depth than a YouTube comments page but i would say to look at Psalms 119:105 "Your word is a lamp for my feet a light on my path."
MrCheeseLover405 1 week ago
@MrCheeseLover405 it's insulting of you to suggest we are getting information from a Youtube comments page.As I've said before,most atheists have studied the bible, pondered over it's words,and made the heart wrenching decision it was phony.It was not an easy realization to come to and wasn't made lightly.Ps I attend bible studies occasionally,it serves to reinforce my conclusion of it's uselessness."He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.Mark 3:29"too late for me.
Ms2blue1pink 3 days ago
@MrCheeseLover405
So you can pick the bits of the bible and ignore the rest?
This is religion a la carte, you're making it up as you go along
creationisthammer 1 week ago
@creationisthammer
I of coerce try my best not ignore parts of the bible. if have seen it is a big book and I'm not that much of a reader. but when I read a bit I read the context and if I don't understand it I ask my minister or some one with more experiences. but I have faith in what the bible says to me.
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superbad1972 2 weeks ago
Just being able to read at all should make you an atheist.....I guess that explains the religious extremism in the south.
10290gilmore 2 weeks ago
@10290gilmore
>is from the south
>is an atheist
That comment was no better than religious bigotry.
th3r3dr3dkroovy 2 weeks ago
@th3r3dr3dkroovy I agree, it is a prejudice based on some truth;however religious bigotry is based on superstition and is much more profound becuase it contemplates eternal existential matters. When the stakes are that high the result is genecide,infanticide,murder,child abuse,spousal abuse and on and on....have you ever read the bible ? I went to a private Christian high school and grew up in a very Christian environment.The more I learned the more atheism became a part of who I was.
10290gilmore 1 week ago
Uhhh.... honestly, you suck at stating a point what so ever.. i doze off 3 mins into this.. penn your bullshit!
TheBigDaddyD305 2 weeks ago
when i started reading the bible it made me a beliver .plus hereing david c pack who is a bible base teacher ,but lets just love each orther and work to inprove ourselfs our plant and all those who need it,
crazysillybaby1 2 weeks ago
"When someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda." Yep.
petroniaskho 2 weeks ago
"when someone's trying to interpret something for you, they always have an agenda." (direct quote from Penn Jillette) ....interestingly, he's doing the same thing. His agenda, however, is atheism. I would have to agree with him on another statement from the video however..."read it (the Bible) for yourself"...the Bible will speak truth for itself.
drewbacca2010 2 weeks ago
@waynebeardsley12 That was very Christian of you, god fearer. Way to set a good example
densudixon 2 weeks ago
Personally, I've promised all of my friends that if they actually can explain the Trinity to me, then I'll convert to Christianity.
I mean isn't it basically the base of the Christian faith?
To this day, even pastors cannot explain the Trinity to me.
TheRealBlueChipmunk 2 weeks ago
I really like Penn and think he is a very intelligent man. But I do disagree with some of what he is saying. Through my journey of reading the Bible cover to cover I see many of the things he sees.
However, it does not lead me to believe GOD doesn't exist or that Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be. It does lead me to believe that the Bible is obviously not the 100% word of GOD. It was written by men and is full of contradiction and bigotry (namely the Old Testament).
205whiteboy 2 weeks ago
@205whiteboy I see, but even the parts that are quoted from Jesus himself, shows signs of oppression and intolerance. So, it makes one believe that those quotes, attributed to Jesus, are in fact the word of an ordinary men, not god or his son (Clearly, the all loving son of god wouldn't be an oppresor, right?), making the bible 0% the word of god, and 100% the word of tribe leaders.
Butchersniper 2 weeks ago
@Butchersniper To an extent I agree with you. I believe much of what the four gospels quote are things Jesus said (or at least close to it). Some was likely added or outright changed. I can't speak for everyone here, only myself. But what I look for is consistency in the character of Jesus. I agree that the all loving son of GOD would not be an oppressor so when I see quotes that imply such I have to ask if Jesus spoke these words or did man add them (I lean towards the latter). Just my opinion.
205whiteboy 2 weeks ago
Imagine trying to understand the context of any book by just reading a few passages and not the book in it's entirety? Very few Christians have ever bothered to read the Bible cover to cover and yet still they try to wield it a some kind of weapon of truth.
MrJcman100 2 weeks ago
To all (the Holy Qura'an) is different .....PLEASE read & judge .
AboAlqasem1 2 weeks ago
5:51 "I'm now on the side that's winning *GASPGULP*"
ZogJhones 2 weeks ago
Oh bit me I don't ruin anything! My comments shouldn't bother you since you don't believe in anything so go be a jerk to someone like yourself
sexyshygurl18 2 weeks ago
Where did the singularity that created the big bang come from? How was it created? If who?
Its impossible to me, that everything has allways been. What created everything? and the bigbang theory doesn't cut it. The big bang is an explosion that explodes, then collapes on itself, then explodes again in a repeat, that our universe is.
I live by my own idealoligies.
jpawhees 2 weeks ago
@jpawhees Putting aside science for a second ( i beleive there are several esoteric theories which could explain the big bang, put they cannot be confirmed because our astronomers can't see that far, and our physicists can't reach high enough energies) and assuming you are correct, and matter can't have arrived on its own, then we are left with two options. A. infinite God. B. infinite matter. We already know matter can exist, because it does, we can't see God. Occams razor therefore supports B
TheClockworkPenguin 2 weeks ago
@TheClockworkPenguin the reason why we can't see futher than we can is because light wasn't around in the past. and when u look at the stars u are seeing are a delayed image. so when you look at the sun the image is delayed 8 minutes from when the light originaly occured. so a star ur looking at right now, may not be there right now. it could of blown up a while ago and we wouldn't be able to tell till the light gets to us.
jpawhees 2 weeks ago
@jpawhees I know that. It also means that the further out we look, the further back in time we see, but we can't see all the way back to the start, because for a few million years the universe wasn't transparent, because there were too many unbound charges to interact with and scatter the electromagnetic radiation. However this is all besides the point, which was that even though scientists can't test their theories (yet) it is fallacious to suggest that their aren't any scientific explanations.
TheClockworkPenguin 2 weeks ago
@TheClockworkPenguin True that.
jpawhees 2 weeks ago