Yeah God blessed Jakes why y'all hating on that. And wisdom would say look at T.D. Jakes fruits rather then what people say about him or what they think he said. Hope this makes y'all think. We give christianity a bad name because we are so quick to judge others especially those in the church. Everyone makes mistakes but its not the mistake that sends you to hell its the lack of repentance.
@BadRizinYout Problem is, the word "Bible" isn't mentioned in The Bible, either. And yet you refer to "the Bible" as something real and understood as authentic from that word, "Bible". Right? Obviously you agree, otherwise you wouldn't have used that word, in that fashion, if you weren't referring to something real. Right? You mention knowledge of the Bible and state that the "Trinity" isn't mentioned in "The Bible". Are you sure that because the word isn't mentioned that the concept is absent?
@BadRizinYout Have you ever come across Matthew 28:19 in The Bible? It reads: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, " It should be understood that the deposit of Christian faith, isn't solely contained in Sacred Scripture. Sacred Tradition, amongst other things holds authority as well. Like the term "Bible" or "Biblios", the term "Trinity" from the Latin, "Trinitas" is from said Sacred Tradition c. 200 AD.
Those of us who believe in the absolute, unified Godhead do not believe that Jesus was not in the beginning. I have been teaching for years and interacting with various "christian" denominations. Your video is the first claim I've heard of non-trinitarians (Oneness believers) believing Jesus was not in the beginning.
All of the titles....NOT GOOD...Biblically--there were only titles of deacons and elders...not even ministers...for we all are to minister...There is no certain set of ministers to do a particular work. Thank you all for having that boldness spoke of in the Word of God in this generation.
Jakes is a false preacher controlled and influenced by the spirit of jezebel. Study this spirit and you will understand the level of this deception. Spend time in prayer and fasting. Ask the Lord to remove all deception from your mind and he will. Also ask the Lord what Bible version you should read from. There are alot of satanic versions out there claiming to be from the Lord. QUESTION EVERYTHING!
This is what i hear from all this somewhat God based discussion which is not really but exposing same faith and division, 3 divided human slave pits. 1 pit European people. 1 pit Asian people and 1 African or Black Dis.. with securities making sure the slaves don't escape. All the securities guarding the African Black Dis.. will loose there jobs. From LOW SELF ESTEEM one African will always pull the other African down and not learn to work or resson together. Shame on you!
Jakes is motivated and influenced by darkness. He is nothing more or less than a jezebel spirit leading millions to hell. People would be wise to truly seek God for themselves and to pray this prayer while fasting. Ask the Lord to remove all deception from your mind then prepare for the unexpected. Jezebel is really doing her work in the world, especially here in America. Please pray that prayer and I promise you will see things differently.
@J34Contenders .. I believe that there is a distinction in the offices of God. But I believe that in scripture there are several places that state there is one God (Deut. 6:4; Isa 54:5; Mal 2:32; Eph 4:6; James 2:19) The use of the word for 'one' in Deuteronomy is often referred to as "echad". And that word is used explicitly as meaning 'one number'. How does the One God break down into three when God says through Isaiah 45:5 there is no other God neither any beside him. To me that is clear
Honestly, I think the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is an absolute truth. There is a "pope complex" that many supposed "reformed/protestant" denominational preachers have taken on. Martin Luther, seperated from the catholic church for the very reason that many of these preachers today are embracing, greed and selling indulgences. I believe that as a shepherd over a flock (minister) you have to be very strong so as not to allow those tempting spirits (demons) not to corrupt you
reasons.the one thing that I love about the Word of God is truly that it doesnt need help, its not confusing when you keep it in the right contents as these men(j34) are clearly doing. The people that have made comments opposing these men, ask that you truly meditate on what these men are sharing in this particular video and i believe truly if your heart is right that you will see that these two men are sharing the truth.
I think that in viewing this video and looking at the comments that were made especially the top comments, these men are pretty sound in the doctrine that they are displaying. Many of the comments that are against these men really have no weight or no real ability to discredit what j34 contenders are sharing. I think we truly make men to be idols when we believe that there are no imperfections within an individual. I preferrably never really listen to jakes but that was for my own spitritual
The 'Our Father' (which you so diligently ascribe to Jesus-alone) was the prayer He gave FOR ALL PEOPLE TO PRAY! He Himself said "He who follows my teachings is my brother." So 'I walk in the light as He is in the light'; I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT, in Jesus' name. (which is probably how brother Jakes put it, but you took him out of context like God's enemy does)
This video is why I believe that mainstream media is one of our biggest stumbling blocks in Christianity. The sarcasim... the inappropriate remarks.... WHY??? These two are reporting on a comment from a reporter of a newspaper. Is that not the definition of "He say....She say..."? I do not know TD Jakes personally; however, I am familar with what the organizations he leads have done throughout America and overseas. The bible says, "You will know my people by their deeds..." What have you done?
@MomentsInTimeMedia God gives us EYES TO SEE the stumbling blocks before us (thrown by others and ourselves), and commands us to use what He gives us. Those who choose to throw away their holy eyes and -to keep their worldly eyes ... all the help they get from the children-of-God is pity.
I am often disturbed by people who try and assassinate the character of others. But I am not surprised. Jesus himself was persecuted and crucified for his doctrine. He told the pharisees He was "I AM" and he was "God" yet they were blinded by their hearts and could not see nor recognize that He was in fact God. The envy, jealousy, and hatred within their hearts kept them from recognizing the truth. Thank THE LORD whom GOD RAISE UP NO MAN CAN BRING DOWN.
There are NO New Testament Prophets TODAY..! We have the Completed HOLY WORD OF GOD...! IT is called the BIBLE....!
(1Thessaloninans 5:21) Prove all things, hold fast to the good.
(Acts 17:11) And these were more noble = than those of Thessalonica, = in that they received = the Word = with all readiness of mind = and = searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so.
It is sad that they decide to target a person than targeting real issues that are of concern. Using the bible to criticize & judge others Matt. 7 your going to be judged with the same rod.
@gettopastor1 thats exactly what we are supposed to use to judge! what these brothers are doing are rightfully dividing the Word of truth. Unlike Td Jakes. There are judging correctly. The scriptures tell us to
"judge" one another! Paul judged, 1 Corinthians 5:12
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning."
@twotime21 Your are correct in your application of the Word just not in the form in which it is being done. If you have a descerning Spirit you know that the intentions of these brothers was not holy at all. You should approach the brother & not in a public forum which looks awful before unbelievers.
@twotime21 I have been a youth minister for years & I believe there is a different way to approach this situation. I can also use the Word to inforce my opinion but I rather not. I will save it for something more edifying.
I really don't understand how ridiculous and stupid grown man can be, really these guys are worse than heathens, they never stand for anything, they just criticize what other people are doing. I hate people like this who pretend to be Christians and yet their hearts are rotten and they fool around with God's people. For some reasons, stupid ppl like this hav a tendency to live long, yet they never go anywhere or get anything done, just being nuts to what other people are doing.Pro gays gossipers
Why is it, when the Word of G-d is correctly applied to life, that 1 Chron 16:22 is used? ALL scripture is G-d breathed so this scripture can't take precedence over other verses. 1) on Jakes' website, the Statement of Faith CLEARLY states that he is a MODALIST which is HERESY. It is another G-D; not the G-D of the Bible. The book 1 John is clear; if you don't have a correct theology, you do not have Salvation. Trotting out these trite sayings instead of READING your BIBLE is just damnable!
& not only damnable - it's LAZY. People who profess Christ would rather rot in Hell than ensure that they are not following a devil? Can someone read the book of Jude, please?! There is no excuse for the level of rebellion & ignorance revealed in some of these comments - none. Here's a parable for the carnal: sitting in a garage doesn't make one a Toyota. My advice? REPENT, ask for forgiveness, & stop cherry picking scripture.
I would love to see a Q&A after a sermon.. I would really like to see how these mega Preachers word stand up to scrutiny when they are at the top of their game.. I bet if the 25,000 people of new birth and the other churches, would just follow the word instead of the man, there would be less jumping up and down, less throwing their hands up, and a lot less crying.. If there were more reading, less music, and dramatic screaming by these men, there would then by thousands that are a lot wiser..
Colossians Chapter 1 :: He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; (Firstborn indicates that Jesus had a beginning according to verse15).
The Father, The Son, and the Holyghost amnifested into one being.... Simple... You can be a father, as well as a son, a brother, a uncle, a nephew, a friend, an associate, and still be one person. isn't that awesome!
TO ALL THE PEOPLE...THIS HOW THE DEVIL ATTACKS WHEN YOU SPREADING HIS WORD.... JESUS SAID AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO HIM.... AND HOLY PEOPLE KILLED HIM...REMEMBER....LOOK AT THERE BACK DROP...POOR MIC...AND THEY WISH THEY HAD HIS PROMISE.... SO THEY CAN REACH ALL HIS PEOPLE..
Being apostlic doesn't mean u don't believe in the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, we just don't call it the trinity, because that word does not exist in the bible, that word came from constantine, not the original disciples.
@heartbeat724 If your of any denomination it is not of Christ and you will see some truth along with Paganism, false doctrine etc. Research apostolic and where it derives.Religions once were apart from the Catholic church which in part broke off into sects. Ask God to reveal himself to you! and he will.Most eyes are wide shut and live in what is called the Matrix! The movie is real all the way down to signs,symbols and colors all have meaning behind them. We are the true Israelites of the bible.
monotheism, is one God; it never state they are three distinct person; what scripture states that? God spoke of himself of being all those things; John 1,1,14 God is the Father in creation, Son in remdemption, Holy Ghost in dwelling, meaning that Jesus left the Holy Ghost to dwell in u.
@heartbeat724 That makes no sense! Why would Jesus leave the holyghost inorder to save us from our sins? The correction is that he did not leave the holyghost and that the comforter Jesus was talking about was the baptism of the holyspirit by fire. The conviction in our hearts so that we know what sin is and what happens when you reject God's word. John 14:16
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Yes, Jesus said go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost but we should know that the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost is the titles; i.e. like u a father, son, husband those are called title and describe who u are, but u name is j34. Okaty.
in the book of Isaiah is constantly telling the people of God that is he the only God that he knows of; Jesus is manifestation or image of the Holy God; Jesus, states to Phillip, that when u see him u see the father, me and my father are one; The trinity was coined by Augustine between 1400 or 1500, the original came from Africa; So, with this in mind constantine revelation wasn't greater than the word of Christ.
show me in the bible where it states the word trinity, it states Father, Son, Holy Ghost and these are the titles of God is one and a spirit and use the flesh body of Chirst to bring mankind unto himself. Isaiah 43 10,1215, speaks of the deity of God and when the people of Israel ask who are u and is there any other gods, God answer them I don't know any other God beside me; He's the Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Ghost in dwelling;
TD JAKES is a snake, these so called pastors talk about how the old testament is done away with, saying you dont have to follow the law but you have to pay tithes. tithes are part of the law, the tithes was given to the levites. PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE
If this information is true or not, its not up to us to judge and make video's about it. GOD is the only judge. Instead of talking about these people pray for them. You dont think GOD will eventually expose false preachers???? HE doesnt need our help. Pray for the souls of these preachers because that is most important. Dont sit around talking about them and what was said. Let GOD take care of them.
@Shay2nv This sounds like what they told Christ lol.He let them know that he was God and they called it blaspheming. Now when the true believers come with truth they reject his word. It is a cycle that continues over and over again. It is up to teach God's word and exposed the enemy if you are a true believer! You judge your child when they do wrong and we sometimes expose them for their wrong doings so what makes the pulpit different. They are leading so many astray and we should keep quiet??
@Shay2nv God knows that many are afraid to research and get to know who God truly is that is why he said for my people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge. I see nothing wrong with exposing the enemy! Saints of God need not too fear and help those who are blind to see what God is trying to show them. I thank God for these videos! They helped me to research God's word more and to know and hear what is going on outside my little world! God Bless!
thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for being bold enough to stand up and tell the BIBLICAL truth. so many people, mainly people of color get caught up in the "emotional excitement" of many of these ministers and do not learn or study the Bible in context. they just listen and blindly follow. i will continue to pray for your efforts. people need to hear the truth.
I'm not gonna hate on T.D. Jakes just because he has money, But i do believe that he has marketed himself by writing books etc. to the point of becoming a celebrity. I don't agree that pastors should use the bible or God to become famous, Because its borderline idolatry.
When i see T.D. Jakes on tv i don't think about God, The first thing i think is celebrity preacher. And its no different than celebrity actor or celebrity rapper when its millions of dollars made!
@MrCovering I agree it is a business now now about souls being saved and "God is the marketing product because it sells" in the words of T.D. Jakes. It is not about being like God anymore they teach you how to be "prosperous" like them because God said our riches are in heaven and that money is the root of all evil. The books are pictures of men. Most are so caught up in emotion and the scripture says...
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
@J34Contenders I try to listen to everything you put on You tube and feel your a Guiding Star in a hate filled world. I love your works and please keep it up. With this said.
The NASB that you use is in my view a falling short of the KJV view of the bible and in some cases leave ideals short of the words expresed in the KJV. It maybe just OK to use but really not the full words of the KJV view. God Bless You !
You Guy's have a lot of time on your hand to be criticizing others. TD jakes is not taking glory from God, He is living in the glory that GOD! has provided him... I can't stand Christians who waste their time badgering their brothers...
TD Jakes has commited straight up blasphemy. He is even worse now with his false gospel of prosperity. Christians need to wake up and stop following these pimps in the pulpit. We need to recognize the difference between talent and annointing. Jakes is not by any means annointed by God but just a talented performer behind the pulpit.
you wish td jakes speak so much truth its unreal..you might as well leave it alone ppl love td..you probably one of them ppl that think a preacher is fake cause he asks you to tithe..
@noivad1 Research and know God for yourself! Don't base what you know from any man or woman including me. Inorder to see what some have told you, you have to really want to know what if I have been deceived all this time! I just woke up to the knowledge after 30 something years of being in the Christian fatih and it hurt to know but God said for my people was destroyed for their lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6 READ IT! the decption never comes the way you think God destroyed HIS people!
J34, thank you for we are truly living in the last of the last days, when people will call evil good and call good evil. I was a member of TD Jakes in West Virgina and Dallas, and heard him teaching heresy from the pulpit in Dallas, but I dismissed it, when I should have ran out of the church. Jesus warned us that many would come in His name, deceiving many...
@miyy4u2004 Yes but u know what....that was your mission and God knew you had to be put in a place to actually be there,see and hear what God wanted to show you! What they need to pay mind that don't...It's crazy! Thank God we see for real even in the church I once was going too.
Thanks J34 Contenders for exposing these ministers of satan. Prophecy is being fulfilled and unsuspecting & biblically uneducated are being duped by blind leaders thru mind control. Unfortunately prophecy reveals MANY will be decieved. Keep up the good work. God Bless!
@jesusisonlyway You are so right! We just have to try our best to preach the truth with God's word the best way we know how cause 1 day people are going to want to search and cannot find. So God's mercy is upon us still! Thank you Lord!
J34 Contenders has a mission to produce doubt in the new believer. Several new believers rely on the encouraging and empowering teachings of the Lords apostles, so..when they are searching You Tube videos for encouraging message, they may just stumble across the videos of J34 Contenders. Now, if they are new to the kingdom, they may be easily tricked by the videos that J34 produces. If they are tricked, they will stop listening to these great apostles. New believers don't be tricked! Luke 6:1-11
@MyDevryck New believers need to know the bible says in Galations 1:6-7
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Now why would Christ say remove yourself soon from those that called you too God's grace??hmmm research God for yourself and let no man decieve you!
when i was attending the PottersHouse in Dallas,Bishop Jakes had a mens conference at his church. During the conference, they asked the men to write down any question they would like to ask Bishop Jakes, someone asked if sodomy was a sin, and Bishop Jakes replied that "the marriage bed was holy."
@miyy4u2004 They do not preach on sin anymore....they are afraid to say yes it is a sin! It is a form of mind control and you have to really think sometimes or will go right over your head. Now look at his statement ...he never answered the question if God's says it is a sin. That is what political leaders do beat around the question. We know God's word says that marriage is holy so what is sodomy T.D.Jakes???
Sorry, but you are wrong... But if i was in TD shoes, I would represent truth whenever its convenient or not! I wouldnt deny the Trinity, I wouldnt try to take the glory from God and I would study the BIble more, to make sure Im not quoting it out of context!
@J34Contenders I believe what you brothers are doing is God's work. The Lord warns us of false prophets, false teachers, synagouge of satan, doctrine of demons, it's not the little church down the street that is going to influence the world, it's these huge 30,000 deep mega churches with their prosperity crap. People need to wake up. He is just a man. He can be wrong. He is not perfect. Keep up the good work and keep exposing these wolves in sheep's clothing. God bless you Jesus name.
@J34Contenders Instead of being so concerned about what T.D. Jakes thinks of himself, and who you may think he is trying to deceive, you should be more concerned with what God thinks of your own life. There are some ministers out there whom I do not think are honest and sincere in what they are doing, but you would never see me post a video or discussion about them because I have no heaven or hell to put them in, and neither do you. (SEE POST #2)
@J34Contenders POST#2: Be very careful about talking against people of God because you do not know anyone's heart, only God does. Psalms 105:15 says, "Touch not my anointed ones; and do my prophets no harm". Since we do not know who God's anointed ones or prophets REALLY are, you need to keep your mouth closed. If a minister is dishonest, it is God's job to deal with him or her, NOT your's. Your job is to pray for them. (SEE POST #3)
@J34Contenders POST #3: You men just sound like a couple of haters because all I have heard you focus on is what T.D. Jakes has (i.e. diamond rings, etc), and how you THINK he carries himself. For the record, I have listened to a lot of his sermons, and they have not only helped me, but it was in line with the word of God. I know it was in line with the word of God because I STUDY to show myself APPROVED - something you should be more conerned with doing instead of bashing ministers online
@djtrinni Creflo dollar is a snake, these so called pastors talk about how the old testament is done away with, saying you dont have to follow the law but you have to pay tithes. tithes are part of the law, the tithes was given to the levites. PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE
I see through yall using TD jakes to boost your ministry or speaking like your better when I sence no anointing on yall life because its a spirit of division. Yall time will come of truth. Do you have the Holy Ghost speaking in another tongue? Because the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Be careful because the anointing is somthing you dont want to touch because your messing with your life. Say what God say and leave the rest alone.
huh? The anointing is the spirit of God that lives within all believers.. So when you say you sense no anointing what exactly are you implying? Why do people get offended when we talk about some of these men... Notice we said we dont have anything personally against TD.. but his doctrine is off... And no I dont have the gift of speaking in tongues. So what im not saved? You might not want to go there with me.. salvation is by grace alone through Christ alone..
Yes your saved, Yes you can hear, many is called but few is chosen. The question is who is speaking through you with out the overflow of the spirit speaking through you. Yes the Holy Ghost is in you, but you wont let him speak. I hear too much of man out of you and a nice story from the bible and the spirit is missing. I dont care about non of these preachers you talk about Im dealing with the Absolon Spirit stealing Hearts of people not truly caring about our hearts. Start your own work.
@devonbray1 You should care because if your heart's main concern was saving souls; pointing them to Christ, His gospel. Then you wouldn't want your fellow brothers and sisters buying a lie. Believing in a twisted gospel; another Jesus. If you see a train is about to hit your brother, you wouldn't warn him? Think about it. God bless.
how often are you praying for these men that you so willingly tear down....i won't say ur wrong for this vid, and what ur doing Im jus sayin as u do this pray for these men that they see the error of their ways. ur very condescending in the vids man, ur not scared stop sayin that it's quite annoying. If you're right, you're right you have nothing to fear. Im not sayin you don't pray for them im just sayin i hope that you do. Bcuz they are still children of God, so just becareful in your warnings
@snakekilla I believe that the word of God tells us to expose those that try to manipulate Gods people. They take the word of God and twist it around to fit their own agenda. And when you say to Pray for them, you are so right. But the Prayer should be for them to repent on what they are doing and get back on the right track. We may all be Gods creation, but we are by far not all Gods children. Was Judas Iscariot a child of God? Jesus Him self called him a devil...
@snakekilla Only those who aceppt Christ,speak truth and live a life of Christ according to the bible are God's children. Not everyone is God's children you have to truly accept him. Check out Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
@larry2524 being a worker of iniquity doesn't deny God's love, and it doesn't mean you're not his child...it means you're disobedient, we are all God's children that doesn't mean that we're goin to heaven or anything like that it just means that we have the opportunity to do so, but not an entitlement...and we can forfit the opportunity if we so choose, but we're still children of God no matter what...Gaboonviper117 is my screen name on yahoo anyone who wants to talk get at me...
@snakekilla This will sum up what I was trying to say by the theology of "CREATION we are children of God but by the theology of "REDEMPTION" we have to respond inorder to be a child of the most high. Remember we were made in his image but once sin took place man turned away from God so inorder for us to be a child of God we have to except the God of redemption which is Jesus Christ. God Bless!
@larry2524 i dig it, you're actually right i kinda just bypassed that lol but yeh exactly we're all his children but we have to acknowledge it to be redeemed though, which is where i was goin but never really got to lol being his child only means something if we respond accordingly....good talkin to you mate
The question is One what? Surely you wouldnt say God is one thing, like one chair, or one door or one car. The question is one what? He is one God! You choose to define one God as one person, because you cant understand God plurality. God is one being, 3 persons, co-equal, co-eternal. The OT also shows God plurality, when he uses the word US, how do you explain that? And in the NT the father is called God, Jesus is called God and the HS is called God. We either have 3 Gods or 1 God 3 persons.
God is a Spirit (Jhn 4:24) not a "what", or a "thing", the Bible describes God as a "who" and a "He". Note, He is never called "they", or "their", even in the scripture in Gen 1:26 which you quote it concludes by stating "...and He made them in His own image". The Bible also describes God as a "Holy One" in Isaiah, but never a "Holy Three", or even "Holy Three In One".
You are building a straw-man argument, we agree with you that God is one God. We do not see a conflict with God being called HE, and then in another passage being referred to as US. John 17:5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" We see in this passage that Jesus and the Father existed together. If I am WITH you are we the same Person? NO! Are we existing at the same time? YES! Jesus is not the Father... 2 distinct persons.
You say you believe in One God, and I know you sincerely mean this. But to split God into 3 Persons is a step away from monotheism. Can God not be manifested as Father, in the Son and work as the Holy Spirit and not just be one God?
God can split himself into 20 persons... and still be God... The issue is what does the bible say. Think of it like a play... If Jesus and the Father are the same person, who was playing the roll of the Father when Jesus was on center stage? Who spoke from heaven at Jesus's baptism? The Father, Jesus and the HS existed together before the world was. Im not splitting God into 3 persons, the Bible does.
Gen 1:26-27 states "Let Us", it was written by Moses who wrote: "Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is One" (Det 6:4). Why does it say "let us"? The title Elohim (God) is used when the LORD creates as Soverign King of the Universe, just as YHVH is used when God is dealing with His relationship with man. Therefore the "Let us" is a royal proclaimation, it is a royal plural of majesty, just as the British Queen says "we are not amused", but is one woman (person), It signifies God's many attributes
You cant find one reference in Eastern World history that sites the plurality of majesty before the 13th century. It is extremely unlikely that Moses would use a 13th century concept and apply it in a 2000 BC setting. That would be equivalent of saying Jesus wore Levi jeans, he could not have worn Levis given the fact that Levis were made over 2000 years after Christ. In fact what we see in Gen 1:26 is the plurality of God, a composite unity. Which is clearly shown in the NT.
The Plural of Majesty was used by the Jews before c. 13 and evidence is in the Talmud of this (see Everyman's Talmud, available on Amazon). It is also extremely unlikely Moses would use a 3rd Century AD concept such as the trinity when Moses only knew One God who was a Spirit.
Everyman's Talmud is only doing the same thing you are doing.. Trying to make a 13th century fit a 2000 BC setting.. Done give me someone's commentary, give me some facts. So was Moses implying that we are made in his own image? And God said "Let Us" make man........ Moses never included himself in that statement... Do we agree that Jesus existed pre incarnation? Because once we establish that, then we can work backwards.. Read the OT in light of the NT
In the NT the Father is called God, Jesus is called God, is called God. Then it is also true that in the NT God is called Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is simply stating there is One God who can be Father, Son and Holy Ghost and yet remain One. God does not need to divide his personality into 3 (multiple personalities). He can be Lion and Lamb, Priest and Sacrifice, Shepherd & Door... This does not deny that the Son is fully human and divine in nature.
Our belief is that God is Father, Son and HS. Co-equal, Co-eternal. 3 distinct persons, but one being. In the NT we see all 3 having preexisting before the world began, we see all 3 having Jesus raised from the dead, we see all 3 being called God. We have to conclude that we either have 3 Gods or 1 God 3 persons. Read the OT in light of the NT, the NT is a fulfillment of the OT. The NT explains the singleness and the plurality of God in the OT. The jews even understood composite unity.
If you read Penteatuch and Haftorah's by Rabbi J H Hertz (1960) there is an entire chapter about the nature of God and the belief Christianity has corrupted God's Oneness with the Trinity belief. The Jews certainly do not believe in a composite unity in the way you do.
Sure the Jews didnt understand the full nature of God, they also rejected Jesus. My argument is that they all 3 are called God. How do you answer that? What validity does the NT hold?
Apologies for tardy response, Christmas holidays slowed down my response somewhat. It's also challenging to give you a full response with the word limit of YouTube. Here goes though...
The trinity is from egypt.Yahweh and yahuwshua never spoke about the spirit of seperation being a god.If the messiah said he was sending you someone in his stead that does not make it god
USA public libraries have archived copies of major USA newspapers & British newspapers. You can read the paper as it was published in its complete form. It is free to view the papers. It only cost you to copy any portion of the paper you want for your records. I know this because I had to locate first person witness statements printed in the paper for a class project. Do the research yourself. It is not difficult at all.
I haven't seen the article but I see the works and most of the properity ministries do the same thing-maybe have a school, classes, workshops and a few outreach ministries where they do a few things for their communities, but I have yet to see one that has created a separate society as we are called to do. show me even a small town. afterall the people you are draining these funds from are mostly the poor or soon to be poor once the middle class is wiped out. too much selling-even after tithing.
Why are all these preachers so FILTHY RICh but yet Jesus Christ was dirt poor and even told the rich man to give all that he had to the poor, if he wanted to follow Christ. Ask TD Jakes,Creflo Dollar,and all the rest of these pimps to give their wealth to the poor and see what they say. Jesus wa a homeless man and said birds have nest,foxes have holes but he had no place to lay his head. Why store up treasures on earth when the Gospel says don't do that,because it shall pass away.
This is something that needs to be investigated. Always remember THAT just because something is in print does not make it fact. This staff writer may have distorted his words and or actually lied just for the sake of hype. Either way the mandated thing to do at this point is to pray for the LIFE, MIND AND SOUL OF MR. JAKES so that he will not fall short of the plan, purpose and will of the Holy Father for his life. A leadership position is very serious business in the HOLY LORD'S KINGDOM!!!
He leads people astray with a lot of his videos. A pure hater. Just listen to they brokes ass; they're jealous. Only WE pull our own down. No other group does what we do in hating. Reading a worldly viewpoint as fact. These guys make me wanna puke. Keep doing JAKES why these losers have to sit on youtube. Brotha you will NEVER BE BILL GATES.
if you read TD Jakes belief statement, he clearly states that there is one God but exists in three manifestations. I believe that you might need to read it again because although i agree with a lot of your vids i think you may be leading people astray with this one
You know what, gentlemen? Produce that Wall Street Journal article. It's bold of you to quote it, so now produce the evidence. Show it on YouTube. Or photocopy it or give me a driect link or soemthing- contact me at my YouTube e-mail. I'm open. I'm willing to consider it, if proof can be shown that Jakes actually said it. This seemingly false humility about how you have nothing against Jakes, but you're obviously deriding the man- all this energy. I'm open. Show me the document.
ive seen some of your vids...you seem intelligent and reasonable...and to be honest I think youre finding out that all of it...ALLLLL of it is just a fairytale anyway
Yeah God blessed Jakes why y'all hating on that. And wisdom would say look at T.D. Jakes fruits rather then what people say about him or what they think he said. Hope this makes y'all think. We give christianity a bad name because we are so quick to judge others especially those in the church. Everyone makes mistakes but its not the mistake that sends you to hell its the lack of repentance.
AutoExpressionsYo 1 month ago
I was wit you until you speak of the trinity, the trinity is not metioned in the bible. Just sayin'.
BadRizinYout 4 months ago
@BadRizinYout Problem is, the word "Bible" isn't mentioned in The Bible, either. And yet you refer to "the Bible" as something real and understood as authentic from that word, "Bible". Right? Obviously you agree, otherwise you wouldn't have used that word, in that fashion, if you weren't referring to something real. Right? You mention knowledge of the Bible and state that the "Trinity" isn't mentioned in "The Bible". Are you sure that because the word isn't mentioned that the concept is absent?
NilDesperandum777 3 months ago
@BadRizinYout Have you ever come across Matthew 28:19 in The Bible? It reads: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, " It should be understood that the deposit of Christian faith, isn't solely contained in Sacred Scripture. Sacred Tradition, amongst other things holds authority as well. Like the term "Bible" or "Biblios", the term "Trinity" from the Latin, "Trinitas" is from said Sacred Tradition c. 200 AD.
NilDesperandum777 3 months ago
I am not american. how big is a nickel whereby Jakes had a diamond as big as one?
IOW how outrageous is his sin here?
Strefanasha 4 months ago
These guys have too much time on their hands
Eholiday21 5 months ago
JEALOUS!!!!
vangoghmatisse1 7 months ago
Those of us who believe in the absolute, unified Godhead do not believe that Jesus was not in the beginning. I have been teaching for years and interacting with various "christian" denominations. Your video is the first claim I've heard of non-trinitarians (Oneness believers) believing Jesus was not in the beginning.
ProphetessTelharesha 7 months ago
All of the titles....NOT GOOD...Biblically--there were only titles of deacons and elders...not even ministers...for we all are to minister...There is no certain set of ministers to do a particular work. Thank you all for having that boldness spoke of in the Word of God in this generation.
prayzur 8 months ago
@prayzur true that true that
Shadowlooker12 7 months ago
YES!!
rudielor 8 months ago
Jakes is a false preacher controlled and influenced by the spirit of jezebel. Study this spirit and you will understand the level of this deception. Spend time in prayer and fasting. Ask the Lord to remove all deception from your mind and he will. Also ask the Lord what Bible version you should read from. There are alot of satanic versions out there claiming to be from the Lord. QUESTION EVERYTHING!
Sight4DaBLIND 9 months ago
@Sight4DaBLIND AMEN!!
swilder61 2 months ago
This is what i hear from all this somewhat God based discussion which is not really but exposing same faith and division, 3 divided human slave pits. 1 pit European people. 1 pit Asian people and 1 African or Black Dis.. with securities making sure the slaves don't escape. All the securities guarding the African Black Dis.. will loose there jobs. From LOW SELF ESTEEM one African will always pull the other African down and not learn to work or resson together. Shame on you!
kellylave13 9 months ago
Jakes is motivated and influenced by darkness. He is nothing more or less than a jezebel spirit leading millions to hell. People would be wise to truly seek God for themselves and to pray this prayer while fasting. Ask the Lord to remove all deception from your mind then prepare for the unexpected. Jezebel is really doing her work in the world, especially here in America. Please pray that prayer and I promise you will see things differently.
Sight4DaBLIND 10 months ago
@J34Contenders .. I believe that there is a distinction in the offices of God. But I believe that in scripture there are several places that state there is one God (Deut. 6:4; Isa 54:5; Mal 2:32; Eph 4:6; James 2:19) The use of the word for 'one' in Deuteronomy is often referred to as "echad". And that word is used explicitly as meaning 'one number'. How does the One God break down into three when God says through Isaiah 45:5 there is no other God neither any beside him. To me that is clear
FitnessMinded 10 months ago
And that these ministers/bishops/pastors can sometimes succomb to the very spirit that tempted Eve into having a desire for a "god complex"
FitnessMinded 10 months ago
Honestly, I think the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is an absolute truth. There is a "pope complex" that many supposed "reformed/protestant" denominational preachers have taken on. Martin Luther, seperated from the catholic church for the very reason that many of these preachers today are embracing, greed and selling indulgences. I believe that as a shepherd over a flock (minister) you have to be very strong so as not to allow those tempting spirits (demons) not to corrupt you
FitnessMinded 10 months ago
the Devil is the accuser of the brethren!!!!
GTbaby2k12 10 months ago
reasons.the one thing that I love about the Word of God is truly that it doesnt need help, its not confusing when you keep it in the right contents as these men(j34) are clearly doing. The people that have made comments opposing these men, ask that you truly meditate on what these men are sharing in this particular video and i believe truly if your heart is right that you will see that these two men are sharing the truth.
rob6221 10 months ago
I think that in viewing this video and looking at the comments that were made especially the top comments, these men are pretty sound in the doctrine that they are displaying. Many of the comments that are against these men really have no weight or no real ability to discredit what j34 contenders are sharing. I think we truly make men to be idols when we believe that there are no imperfections within an individual. I preferrably never really listen to jakes but that was for my own spitritual
rob6221 10 months ago
The 'Our Father' (which you so diligently ascribe to Jesus-alone) was the prayer He gave FOR ALL PEOPLE TO PRAY! He Himself said "He who follows my teachings is my brother." So 'I walk in the light as He is in the light'; I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT, in Jesus' name. (which is probably how brother Jakes put it, but you took him out of context like God's enemy does)
mythmanjay 1 year ago
This video is why I believe that mainstream media is one of our biggest stumbling blocks in Christianity. The sarcasim... the inappropriate remarks.... WHY??? These two are reporting on a comment from a reporter of a newspaper. Is that not the definition of "He say....She say..."? I do not know TD Jakes personally; however, I am familar with what the organizations he leads have done throughout America and overseas. The bible says, "You will know my people by their deeds..." What have you done?
MomentsInTimeMedia 1 year ago
@MomentsInTimeMedia God gives us EYES TO SEE the stumbling blocks before us (thrown by others and ourselves), and commands us to use what He gives us. Those who choose to throw away their holy eyes and -to keep their worldly eyes ... all the help they get from the children-of-God is pity.
mythmanjay 1 year ago
I am often disturbed by people who try and assassinate the character of others. But I am not surprised. Jesus himself was persecuted and crucified for his doctrine. He told the pharisees He was "I AM" and he was "God" yet they were blinded by their hearts and could not see nor recognize that He was in fact God. The envy, jealousy, and hatred within their hearts kept them from recognizing the truth. Thank THE LORD whom GOD RAISE UP NO MAN CAN BRING DOWN.
Mschocolalicious 1 year ago
There are NO New Testament Prophets TODAY..! We have the Completed HOLY WORD OF GOD...! IT is called the BIBLE....!
(1Thessaloninans 5:21) Prove all things, hold fast to the good.
(Acts 17:11) And these were more noble = than those of Thessalonica, = in that they received = the Word = with all readiness of mind = and = searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so.
ROGER459 1 year ago
It is sad that they decide to target a person than targeting real issues that are of concern. Using the bible to criticize & judge others Matt. 7 your going to be judged with the same rod.
gettopastor1 1 year ago
@gettopastor1 thats exactly what we are supposed to use to judge! what these brothers are doing are rightfully dividing the Word of truth. Unlike Td Jakes. There are judging correctly. The scriptures tell us to
"judge" one another! Paul judged, 1 Corinthians 5:12
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning."
twotime21 1 year ago
@twotime21 Your are correct in your application of the Word just not in the form in which it is being done. If you have a descerning Spirit you know that the intentions of these brothers was not holy at all. You should approach the brother & not in a public forum which looks awful before unbelievers.
gettopastor1 1 year ago
@twotime21 I have been a youth minister for years & I believe there is a different way to approach this situation. I can also use the Word to inforce my opinion but I rather not. I will save it for something more edifying.
gettopastor1 1 year ago
I really don't understand how ridiculous and stupid grown man can be, really these guys are worse than heathens, they never stand for anything, they just criticize what other people are doing. I hate people like this who pretend to be Christians and yet their hearts are rotten and they fool around with God's people. For some reasons, stupid ppl like this hav a tendency to live long, yet they never go anywhere or get anything done, just being nuts to what other people are doing.Pro gays gossipers
1mabheka 1 year ago
u guys r so sick n u r jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!
boss7777777777777777 1 year ago
I'm afraid Mr Jakes is on THE fast track to hell!
abbyguy 1 year ago
Why is it, when the Word of G-d is correctly applied to life, that 1 Chron 16:22 is used? ALL scripture is G-d breathed so this scripture can't take precedence over other verses. 1) on Jakes' website, the Statement of Faith CLEARLY states that he is a MODALIST which is HERESY. It is another G-D; not the G-D of the Bible. The book 1 John is clear; if you don't have a correct theology, you do not have Salvation. Trotting out these trite sayings instead of READING your BIBLE is just damnable!
walksbyf8h 1 year ago
& not only damnable - it's LAZY. People who profess Christ would rather rot in Hell than ensure that they are not following a devil? Can someone read the book of Jude, please?! There is no excuse for the level of rebellion & ignorance revealed in some of these comments - none. Here's a parable for the carnal: sitting in a garage doesn't make one a Toyota. My advice? REPENT, ask for forgiveness, & stop cherry picking scripture.
walksbyf8h 1 year ago
1 Chronicles 16:22
Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
srjordan100 1 year ago
They talked about jesus too.............
1 Chronicles 16:22
Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
srjordan100 1 year ago
abott and costello re-incarnated?
ralcock 1 year ago
I would love to see a Q&A after a sermon.. I would really like to see how these mega Preachers word stand up to scrutiny when they are at the top of their game.. I bet if the 25,000 people of new birth and the other churches, would just follow the word instead of the man, there would be less jumping up and down, less throwing their hands up, and a lot less crying.. If there were more reading, less music, and dramatic screaming by these men, there would then by thousands that are a lot wiser..
Filmshooter1 1 year ago 7
@Filmshooter1 Right!
THETK2 1 year ago
what is with these guys. I detect a spirit of envy
TheFreshtouch 1 year ago
@TheFreshtouch The you are totaly missing the point.
abbyguy 1 year ago
Colossians Chapter 1 :: He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; (Firstborn indicates that Jesus had a beginning according to verse15).
phenique29 1 year ago
The Father, The Son, and the Holyghost amnifested into one being.... Simple... You can be a father, as well as a son, a brother, a uncle, a nephew, a friend, an associate, and still be one person. isn't that awesome!
KDNBLK 1 year ago
I like these guy's teaching listen at what they at 7:00 mins in!!!
BigDaddydigsdp 1 year ago
TO ALL THE PEOPLE...THIS HOW THE DEVIL ATTACKS WHEN YOU SPREADING HIS WORD.... JESUS SAID AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO HIM.... AND HOLY PEOPLE KILLED HIM...REMEMBER....LOOK AT THERE BACK DROP...POOR MIC...AND THEY WISH THEY HAD HIS PROMISE.... SO THEY CAN REACH ALL HIS PEOPLE..
DEADTRUTHTV1 1 year ago
jakes is a wolf, hireling & a cloud without water
spiritualaccent 1 year ago
Read 1st. Chronicles 16:22. Did god give YOU permission to Judge?
monimom3 1 year ago
@monimom3 Yes we are to judge righteously! People tend to forget that part of the scripture. Avoiding the very appearance of evil.
larry2524 1 year ago
Being apostlic doesn't mean u don't believe in the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, we just don't call it the trinity, because that word does not exist in the bible, that word came from constantine, not the original disciples.
heartbeat724 1 year ago
@heartbeat724 If your of any denomination it is not of Christ and you will see some truth along with Paganism, false doctrine etc. Research apostolic and where it derives.Religions once were apart from the Catholic church which in part broke off into sects. Ask God to reveal himself to you! and he will.Most eyes are wide shut and live in what is called the Matrix! The movie is real all the way down to signs,symbols and colors all have meaning behind them. We are the true Israelites of the bible.
larry2524 1 year ago
How many entities in heaven of God will u see?
heartbeat724 1 year ago
@heartbeat724 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
larry2524 1 year ago
monotheism, is one God; it never state they are three distinct person; what scripture states that? God spoke of himself of being all those things; John 1,1,14 God is the Father in creation, Son in remdemption, Holy Ghost in dwelling, meaning that Jesus left the Holy Ghost to dwell in u.
heartbeat724 1 year ago
@heartbeat724 That makes no sense! Why would Jesus leave the holyghost inorder to save us from our sins? The correction is that he did not leave the holyghost and that the comforter Jesus was talking about was the baptism of the holyspirit by fire. The conviction in our hearts so that we know what sin is and what happens when you reject God's word. John 14:16
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
larry2524 1 year ago
Yes, Jesus said go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost but we should know that the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost is the titles; i.e. like u a father, son, husband those are called title and describe who u are, but u name is j34. Okaty.
heartbeat724 1 year ago
in the book of Isaiah is constantly telling the people of God that is he the only God that he knows of; Jesus is manifestation or image of the Holy God; Jesus, states to Phillip, that when u see him u see the father, me and my father are one; The trinity was coined by Augustine between 1400 or 1500, the original came from Africa; So, with this in mind constantine revelation wasn't greater than the word of Christ.
heartbeat724 1 year ago
show me in the bible where it states the word trinity, it states Father, Son, Holy Ghost and these are the titles of God is one and a spirit and use the flesh body of Chirst to bring mankind unto himself. Isaiah 43 10,1215, speaks of the deity of God and when the people of Israel ask who are u and is there any other gods, God answer them I don't know any other God beside me; He's the Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Ghost in dwelling;
heartbeat724 1 year ago
I would like to actually hear him saying that, rather than having someone tell me what he said, lol.
Where is the proof.
Lee92177 1 year ago
TD JAKES is a snake, these so called pastors talk about how the old testament is done away with, saying you dont have to follow the law but you have to pay tithes. tithes are part of the law, the tithes was given to the levites. PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE
THEOSOPHY777 1 year ago
you guys are just sad...trying to make a name for yourselves..
drepet10 1 year ago
The majority of preachers, especially black preachers are pompous and arrogant anyway so this is nothing new.
olh1152 1 year ago
If this information is true or not, its not up to us to judge and make video's about it. GOD is the only judge. Instead of talking about these people pray for them. You dont think GOD will eventually expose false preachers???? HE doesnt need our help. Pray for the souls of these preachers because that is most important. Dont sit around talking about them and what was said. Let GOD take care of them.
Shay2nv 1 year ago
@Shay2nv This sounds like what they told Christ lol.He let them know that he was God and they called it blaspheming. Now when the true believers come with truth they reject his word. It is a cycle that continues over and over again. It is up to teach God's word and exposed the enemy if you are a true believer! You judge your child when they do wrong and we sometimes expose them for their wrong doings so what makes the pulpit different. They are leading so many astray and we should keep quiet??
larry2524 1 year ago
@Shay2nv God knows that many are afraid to research and get to know who God truly is that is why he said for my people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge. I see nothing wrong with exposing the enemy! Saints of God need not too fear and help those who are blind to see what God is trying to show them. I thank God for these videos! They helped me to research God's word more and to know and hear what is going on outside my little world! God Bless!
larry2524 1 year ago
thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for being bold enough to stand up and tell the BIBLICAL truth. so many people, mainly people of color get caught up in the "emotional excitement" of many of these ministers and do not learn or study the Bible in context. they just listen and blindly follow. i will continue to pray for your efforts. people need to hear the truth.
msindymusic 1 year ago
@msindymusic Amen! I agree!
larry2524 1 year ago
that money will not get td jakes into heaven its more easyer for a camel to go threw the eye of a
2006thegift 1 year ago
I'm not gonna hate on T.D. Jakes just because he has money, But i do believe that he has marketed himself by writing books etc. to the point of becoming a celebrity. I don't agree that pastors should use the bible or God to become famous, Because its borderline idolatry.
When i see T.D. Jakes on tv i don't think about God, The first thing i think is celebrity preacher. And its no different than celebrity actor or celebrity rapper when its millions of dollars made!
MrCovering 2 years ago
@MrCovering I agree it is a business now now about souls being saved and "God is the marketing product because it sells" in the words of T.D. Jakes. It is not about being like God anymore they teach you how to be "prosperous" like them because God said our riches are in heaven and that money is the root of all evil. The books are pictures of men. Most are so caught up in emotion and the scripture says...
larry2524 1 year ago
@MrCovering Isaiah 56:10-11
His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
larry2524 1 year ago
what bible are you guys using? I would love that!
cmberri 2 years ago 2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
J34Contenders 2 years ago
thanks
cmberri 2 years ago
@J34Contenders I try to listen to everything you put on You tube and feel your a Guiding Star in a hate filled world. I love your works and please keep it up. With this said.
The NASB that you use is in my view a falling short of the KJV view of the bible and in some cases leave ideals short of the words expresed in the KJV. It maybe just OK to use but really not the full words of the KJV view. God Bless You !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
You Guy's have a lot of time on your hand to be criticizing others. TD jakes is not taking glory from God, He is living in the glory that GOD! has provided him... I can't stand Christians who waste their time badgering their brothers...
TheShineB1 11 months ago
@TheShineB1 YOU SAID IT!!!!!!! ALWAYS POINTING THE FINGER! PLANK AND SPECK COME THO MIND!!
ALL GLORY TO GOD!!!
fonz1231 10 months ago
TD Jakes has commited straight up blasphemy. He is even worse now with his false gospel of prosperity. Christians need to wake up and stop following these pimps in the pulpit. We need to recognize the difference between talent and annointing. Jakes is not by any means annointed by God but just a talented performer behind the pulpit.
Uncutruth 2 years ago
you wish td jakes speak so much truth its unreal..you might as well leave it alone ppl love td..you probably one of them ppl that think a preacher is fake cause he asks you to tithe..
noivad1 2 years ago
@noivad1 Research and know God for yourself! Don't base what you know from any man or woman including me. Inorder to see what some have told you, you have to really want to know what if I have been deceived all this time! I just woke up to the knowledge after 30 something years of being in the Christian fatih and it hurt to know but God said for my people was destroyed for their lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6 READ IT! the decption never comes the way you think God destroyed HIS people!
larry2524 1 year ago
@Uncutruth AMEN BROTHER TD Jakes is NOT a man of GOD
WarriorPriest28 1 year ago
J34, thank you for we are truly living in the last of the last days, when people will call evil good and call good evil. I was a member of TD Jakes in West Virgina and Dallas, and heard him teaching heresy from the pulpit in Dallas, but I dismissed it, when I should have ran out of the church. Jesus warned us that many would come in His name, deceiving many...
miyy4u2004 2 years ago
@miyy4u2004 Yes but u know what....that was your mission and God knew you had to be put in a place to actually be there,see and hear what God wanted to show you! What they need to pay mind that don't...It's crazy! Thank God we see for real even in the church I once was going too.
larry2524 1 year ago
Thanks J34 Contenders for exposing these ministers of satan. Prophecy is being fulfilled and unsuspecting & biblically uneducated are being duped by blind leaders thru mind control. Unfortunately prophecy reveals MANY will be decieved. Keep up the good work. God Bless!
jesusisonlyway 2 years ago
@jesusisonlyway You are so right! We just have to try our best to preach the truth with God's word the best way we know how cause 1 day people are going to want to search and cannot find. So God's mercy is upon us still! Thank you Lord!
larry2524 1 year ago
J34 Contenders has a mission to produce doubt in the new believer. Several new believers rely on the encouraging and empowering teachings of the Lords apostles, so..when they are searching You Tube videos for encouraging message, they may just stumble across the videos of J34 Contenders. Now, if they are new to the kingdom, they may be easily tricked by the videos that J34 produces. If they are tricked, they will stop listening to these great apostles. New believers don't be tricked! Luke 6:1-11
MyDevryck 2 years ago
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larry2524 1 year ago
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@MyDevryck New believers need to know the bible says in Galations 1:6-7
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Now why would Christ say remove yourself soon from those that called you too God's grace??hmmm research God for yourself and let no man decieve you!
larry2524 1 year ago
when i was attending the PottersHouse in Dallas,Bishop Jakes had a mens conference at his church. During the conference, they asked the men to write down any question they would like to ask Bishop Jakes, someone asked if sodomy was a sin, and Bishop Jakes replied that "the marriage bed was holy."
miyy4u2004 2 years ago
@miyy4u2004 They do not preach on sin anymore....they are afraid to say yes it is a sin! It is a form of mind control and you have to really think sometimes or will go right over your head. Now look at his statement ...he never answered the question if God's says it is a sin. That is what political leaders do beat around the question. We know God's word says that marriage is holy so what is sodomy T.D.Jakes???
larry2524 1 year ago
@larry2524 i am only sorry i didnt get up and run out when he made that statement.
i guess that is how jim jones got so many ppl to drink the kool-aid. he was very influential.
miyy4u2004 1 year ago
It sounds like yall wish you were him, or wish you were in his shoes (TD Jakes)
djtrinni 2 years ago
Sorry, but you are wrong... But if i was in TD shoes, I would represent truth whenever its convenient or not! I wouldnt deny the Trinity, I wouldnt try to take the glory from God and I would study the BIble more, to make sure Im not quoting it out of context!
J34Contenders 2 years ago
@J34Contenders I believe what you brothers are doing is God's work. The Lord warns us of false prophets, false teachers, synagouge of satan, doctrine of demons, it's not the little church down the street that is going to influence the world, it's these huge 30,000 deep mega churches with their prosperity crap. People need to wake up. He is just a man. He can be wrong. He is not perfect. Keep up the good work and keep exposing these wolves in sheep's clothing. God bless you Jesus name.
disciplelou 1 year ago 10
@J34Contenders Instead of being so concerned about what T.D. Jakes thinks of himself, and who you may think he is trying to deceive, you should be more concerned with what God thinks of your own life. There are some ministers out there whom I do not think are honest and sincere in what they are doing, but you would never see me post a video or discussion about them because I have no heaven or hell to put them in, and neither do you. (SEE POST #2)
kyraboyden 1 year ago
@J34Contenders POST#2: Be very careful about talking against people of God because you do not know anyone's heart, only God does. Psalms 105:15 says, "Touch not my anointed ones; and do my prophets no harm". Since we do not know who God's anointed ones or prophets REALLY are, you need to keep your mouth closed. If a minister is dishonest, it is God's job to deal with him or her, NOT your's. Your job is to pray for them. (SEE POST #3)
kyraboyden 1 year ago
@J34Contenders POST #3: You men just sound like a couple of haters because all I have heard you focus on is what T.D. Jakes has (i.e. diamond rings, etc), and how you THINK he carries himself. For the record, I have listened to a lot of his sermons, and they have not only helped me, but it was in line with the word of God. I know it was in line with the word of God because I STUDY to show myself APPROVED - something you should be more conerned with doing instead of bashing ministers online
kyraboyden 1 year ago
@djtrinni Creflo dollar is a snake, these so called pastors talk about how the old testament is done away with, saying you dont have to follow the law but you have to pay tithes. tithes are part of the law, the tithes was given to the levites. PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE
THEOSOPHY777 1 year ago 2
Yep, they're probably gators!!
zipnose91 1 year ago
I see through yall using TD jakes to boost your ministry or speaking like your better when I sence no anointing on yall life because its a spirit of division. Yall time will come of truth. Do you have the Holy Ghost speaking in another tongue? Because the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Be careful because the anointing is somthing you dont want to touch because your messing with your life. Say what God say and leave the rest alone.
devonbray1 2 years ago
huh? The anointing is the spirit of God that lives within all believers.. So when you say you sense no anointing what exactly are you implying? Why do people get offended when we talk about some of these men... Notice we said we dont have anything personally against TD.. but his doctrine is off... And no I dont have the gift of speaking in tongues. So what im not saved? You might not want to go there with me.. salvation is by grace alone through Christ alone..
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Yes your saved, Yes you can hear, many is called but few is chosen. The question is who is speaking through you with out the overflow of the spirit speaking through you. Yes the Holy Ghost is in you, but you wont let him speak. I hear too much of man out of you and a nice story from the bible and the spirit is missing. I dont care about non of these preachers you talk about Im dealing with the Absolon Spirit stealing Hearts of people not truly caring about our hearts. Start your own work.
devonbray1 2 years ago
Sorry Devon, but you are all over the place...
J34Contenders 2 years ago
@devonbray1 You should care because if your heart's main concern was saving souls; pointing them to Christ, His gospel. Then you wouldn't want your fellow brothers and sisters buying a lie. Believing in a twisted gospel; another Jesus. If you see a train is about to hit your brother, you wouldn't warn him? Think about it. God bless.
disciplelou 1 year ago
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@devonbray1 what are you trying to say?
KDNBLK 1 year ago
how often are you praying for these men that you so willingly tear down....i won't say ur wrong for this vid, and what ur doing Im jus sayin as u do this pray for these men that they see the error of their ways. ur very condescending in the vids man, ur not scared stop sayin that it's quite annoying. If you're right, you're right you have nothing to fear. Im not sayin you don't pray for them im just sayin i hope that you do. Bcuz they are still children of God, so just becareful in your warnings
snakekilla 2 years ago
@snakekilla I believe that the word of God tells us to expose those that try to manipulate Gods people. They take the word of God and twist it around to fit their own agenda. And when you say to Pray for them, you are so right. But the Prayer should be for them to repent on what they are doing and get back on the right track. We may all be Gods creation, but we are by far not all Gods children. Was Judas Iscariot a child of God? Jesus Him self called him a devil...
Jazzhog 2 years ago
@snakekilla Only those who aceppt Christ,speak truth and live a life of Christ according to the bible are God's children. Not everyone is God's children you have to truly accept him. Check out Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
larry2524 1 year ago
@larry2524 being a worker of iniquity doesn't deny God's love, and it doesn't mean you're not his child...it means you're disobedient, we are all God's children that doesn't mean that we're goin to heaven or anything like that it just means that we have the opportunity to do so, but not an entitlement...and we can forfit the opportunity if we so choose, but we're still children of God no matter what...Gaboonviper117 is my screen name on yahoo anyone who wants to talk get at me...
snakekilla 1 year ago
@snakekilla Ok I when you look at it like that yes I agree with you:)
larry2524 1 year ago
@snakekilla This will sum up what I was trying to say by the theology of "CREATION we are children of God but by the theology of "REDEMPTION" we have to respond inorder to be a child of the most high. Remember we were made in his image but once sin took place man turned away from God so inorder for us to be a child of God we have to except the God of redemption which is Jesus Christ. God Bless!
larry2524 1 year ago
@larry2524 i dig it, you're actually right i kinda just bypassed that lol but yeh exactly we're all his children but we have to acknowledge it to be redeemed though, which is where i was goin but never really got to lol being his child only means something if we respond accordingly....good talkin to you mate
snakekilla 1 year ago
@snakekilla yes it was nice talkin to you! God bless:)
larry2524 1 year ago
@devonbray1, do you believe in ghosts?
olh1152 2 years ago
If you would like to discuss what Apostolic Oneness Pentecostals really believe let's discuss.
jesusblogger 2 years ago
lets discuss....
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Can an unbeliever have the gift of the spirit?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
The defence of God being 3 Persons is very lame. God is ONE - HEAR O ISRAEL.
jesusblogger 2 years ago
The question is One what? Surely you wouldnt say God is one thing, like one chair, or one door or one car. The question is one what? He is one God! You choose to define one God as one person, because you cant understand God plurality. God is one being, 3 persons, co-equal, co-eternal. The OT also shows God plurality, when he uses the word US, how do you explain that? And in the NT the father is called God, Jesus is called God and the HS is called God. We either have 3 Gods or 1 God 3 persons.
J34Contenders 2 years ago
God is a Spirit (Jhn 4:24) not a "what", or a "thing", the Bible describes God as a "who" and a "He". Note, He is never called "they", or "their", even in the scripture in Gen 1:26 which you quote it concludes by stating "...and He made them in His own image". The Bible also describes God as a "Holy One" in Isaiah, but never a "Holy Three", or even "Holy Three In One".
jesusblogger 2 years ago
You are building a straw-man argument, we agree with you that God is one God. We do not see a conflict with God being called HE, and then in another passage being referred to as US. John 17:5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" We see in this passage that Jesus and the Father existed together. If I am WITH you are we the same Person? NO! Are we existing at the same time? YES! Jesus is not the Father... 2 distinct persons.
J34Contenders 2 years ago
You say you believe in One God, and I know you sincerely mean this. But to split God into 3 Persons is a step away from monotheism. Can God not be manifested as Father, in the Son and work as the Holy Spirit and not just be one God?
jesusblogger 2 years ago
God can split himself into 20 persons... and still be God... The issue is what does the bible say. Think of it like a play... If Jesus and the Father are the same person, who was playing the roll of the Father when Jesus was on center stage? Who spoke from heaven at Jesus's baptism? The Father, Jesus and the HS existed together before the world was. Im not splitting God into 3 persons, the Bible does.
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Gen 1:26-27 states "Let Us", it was written by Moses who wrote: "Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is One" (Det 6:4). Why does it say "let us"? The title Elohim (God) is used when the LORD creates as Soverign King of the Universe, just as YHVH is used when God is dealing with His relationship with man. Therefore the "Let us" is a royal proclaimation, it is a royal plural of majesty, just as the British Queen says "we are not amused", but is one woman (person), It signifies God's many attributes
jesusblogger 2 years ago
You cant find one reference in Eastern World history that sites the plurality of majesty before the 13th century. It is extremely unlikely that Moses would use a 13th century concept and apply it in a 2000 BC setting. That would be equivalent of saying Jesus wore Levi jeans, he could not have worn Levis given the fact that Levis were made over 2000 years after Christ. In fact what we see in Gen 1:26 is the plurality of God, a composite unity. Which is clearly shown in the NT.
J34Contenders 2 years ago
The Plural of Majesty was used by the Jews before c. 13 and evidence is in the Talmud of this (see Everyman's Talmud, available on Amazon). It is also extremely unlikely Moses would use a 3rd Century AD concept such as the trinity when Moses only knew One God who was a Spirit.
jesusblogger 2 years ago
Everyman's Talmud is only doing the same thing you are doing.. Trying to make a 13th century fit a 2000 BC setting.. Done give me someone's commentary, give me some facts. So was Moses implying that we are made in his own image? And God said "Let Us" make man........ Moses never included himself in that statement... Do we agree that Jesus existed pre incarnation? Because once we establish that, then we can work backwards.. Read the OT in light of the NT
J34Contenders 2 years ago
In the NT the Father is called God, Jesus is called God, is called God. Then it is also true that in the NT God is called Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is simply stating there is One God who can be Father, Son and Holy Ghost and yet remain One. God does not need to divide his personality into 3 (multiple personalities). He can be Lion and Lamb, Priest and Sacrifice, Shepherd & Door... This does not deny that the Son is fully human and divine in nature.
jesusblogger 2 years ago
Our belief is that God is Father, Son and HS. Co-equal, Co-eternal. 3 distinct persons, but one being. In the NT we see all 3 having preexisting before the world began, we see all 3 having Jesus raised from the dead, we see all 3 being called God. We have to conclude that we either have 3 Gods or 1 God 3 persons. Read the OT in light of the NT, the NT is a fulfillment of the OT. The NT explains the singleness and the plurality of God in the OT. The jews even understood composite unity.
J34Contenders 2 years ago
If you read Penteatuch and Haftorah's by Rabbi J H Hertz (1960) there is an entire chapter about the nature of God and the belief Christianity has corrupted God's Oneness with the Trinity belief. The Jews certainly do not believe in a composite unity in the way you do.
jesusblogger 2 years ago
Sure the Jews didnt understand the full nature of God, they also rejected Jesus. My argument is that they all 3 are called God. How do you answer that? What validity does the NT hold?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Would you still like to discuss the Apostolic Oneness view?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
Greetings to you in the Name of Jesus!
Apologies for tardy response, Christmas holidays slowed down my response somewhat. It's also challenging to give you a full response with the word limit of YouTube. Here goes though...
jesusblogger 2 years ago
next billy graham sounds bout right they are both apostate heretics.
kriccistarr 2 years ago
jakes is an abomination in the sight of a holy God
truepowerbombking 2 years ago
The trinity is from egypt.Yahweh and yahuwshua never spoke about the spirit of seperation being a god.If the messiah said he was sending you someone in his stead that does not make it god
ave383 2 years ago
what?????
J34Contenders 2 years ago
i would say that would be about 8 karates
rjohson 2 years ago
USA public libraries have archived copies of major USA newspapers & British newspapers. You can read the paper as it was published in its complete form. It is free to view the papers. It only cost you to copy any portion of the paper you want for your records. I know this because I had to locate first person witness statements printed in the paper for a class project. Do the research yourself. It is not difficult at all.
Merryfairygodmother 2 years ago
I haven't seen the article but I see the works and most of the properity ministries do the same thing-maybe have a school, classes, workshops and a few outreach ministries where they do a few things for their communities, but I have yet to see one that has created a separate society as we are called to do. show me even a small town. afterall the people you are draining these funds from are mostly the poor or soon to be poor once the middle class is wiped out. too much selling-even after tithing.
57msdsjc09 2 years ago
Why are all these preachers so FILTHY RICh but yet Jesus Christ was dirt poor and even told the rich man to give all that he had to the poor, if he wanted to follow Christ. Ask TD Jakes,Creflo Dollar,and all the rest of these pimps to give their wealth to the poor and see what they say. Jesus wa a homeless man and said birds have nest,foxes have holes but he had no place to lay his head. Why store up treasures on earth when the Gospel says don't do that,because it shall pass away.
BLKSMOKE12 2 years ago 2
td jakes is a heretic & a cloud without water
spiritualaccent 2 years ago
KEEP THE GOOD WORK UP ! Bring out the word or problem as it is.
turtle4aires 2 years ago
This is something that needs to be investigated. Always remember THAT just because something is in print does not make it fact. This staff writer may have distorted his words and or actually lied just for the sake of hype. Either way the mandated thing to do at this point is to pray for the LIFE, MIND AND SOUL OF MR. JAKES so that he will not fall short of the plan, purpose and will of the Holy Father for his life. A leadership position is very serious business in the HOLY LORD'S KINGDOM!!!
seekingknowledgenow 2 years ago
He leads people astray with a lot of his videos. A pure hater. Just listen to they brokes ass; they're jealous. Only WE pull our own down. No other group does what we do in hating. Reading a worldly viewpoint as fact. These guys make me wanna puke. Keep doing JAKES why these losers have to sit on youtube. Brotha you will NEVER BE BILL GATES.
izzymalik 2 years ago
if you read TD Jakes belief statement, he clearly states that there is one God but exists in three manifestations. I believe that you might need to read it again because although i agree with a lot of your vids i think you may be leading people astray with this one
TheInformer2k6 2 years ago
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Delusional nigger.
tardwhisperer 2 years ago
You know what, gentlemen? Produce that Wall Street Journal article. It's bold of you to quote it, so now produce the evidence. Show it on YouTube. Or photocopy it or give me a driect link or soemthing- contact me at my YouTube e-mail. I'm open. I'm willing to consider it, if proof can be shown that Jakes actually said it. This seemingly false humility about how you have nothing against Jakes, but you're obviously deriding the man- all this energy. I'm open. Show me the document.
Lazarusrizing 2 years ago
size of a nickel
wordisright 2 years ago
Wow, that is a bold statement pure blasphemy!
bbandt36 2 years ago
I love your vids and i completely agree that you should not just take peoples words on scripture! Keep making vids guys!
holyfreeholy 2 years ago
ive seen some of your vids...you seem intelligent and reasonable...and to be honest I think youre finding out that all of it...ALLLLL of it is just a fairytale anyway
Ottoforever 2 years ago
All of what is a fairy-tale?
J34Contenders 2 years ago
that sound kind of crazy but names are in the bibble
datgurlfly 2 years ago
He just bit off of God,, there's no sampling of the Holy Word! Wow!
cynikalone 2 years ago