steven says hes 37 ...37 my a-- he must be younger than ms bea--or elseshe would have been ten when she had her daughter--she was in colege easnt she or least late hight school
My family on my moms side had indian blood and I had a great-great uncle who passed back in the day and he had a white family.And if he saw us in the store he acted like he never knew us his own blood family.But he would have been killed they if knew he wasn't white back then.So I can truly understand this movie it's so said.
oh Man, I just looked up Fredi Washington on IMD and she was from my hometown Savannah Ga. If I wouldn't have watched this I would have never known :)
@atkinsgina LOL my thoughts exactly! I wish my mom had worked super hard and struck it rich just for me, and given me the best of everything! These little chickies are so ungrateful.
\ my mom is very similar to peola with the whole looks white( she looks spanish if anything) but actaully black.... but my mom accepted who she was, she actually likes it. she likes people saying," wow i would have never guessed".
she knows that the negro gene is a dominant gene, and she has it, so she rather take more to her black side
This movie still makes me sad. Peola was caught between a rock and a hard place, being the times of the 30's, "separate but equal". I doubt the blacks accepted her either, given the times.
Oh I get it now! Peola's dad must have been mostly white but in that time they called him black because one drop makes you colored. That's how she looks white.
There's no such thing as looking white and being black. Peola is biracial, and they should treat her as such. People act like one drop of black makes the person completely black, but that's not the case. Peola is not "passing." She 's not pretending to be something that she's not. It was hard at that time to embrace both races and cultures so she chose the one that was granted more privileges. Also a light skinned black person and a dark skinned black person cannot make a white baby lol.
@itsmekirstie First off, genetics can result in two black people being able to produce a white child especially if their white ancestry. Second, in these days the term "biracial" for those who were half-black and half-white didn't really mean anything. These people were just black because of the one drop rule. In Peola's case she wasn't really half and half since her father was a "light colored man" according to Delilah so she was basically black and passing since she wasn't necessarily white.
@itsmekirstie Also, "passing" in racial terms is when you pretend to be something that you're not fully or not at all. So for example, some one who happens to be black who does look white and some one who is biracial between black and white but looks white can pass because they would be showing the world that they are only white and nothing else. Basically they would be denying that part of them that our society would see them as; black.
@harriettewinslow welp, if Peola goes with the black people, then she's passing for black. That's "passing." Cuz she's definitely not all black looking like that lol. And I'm sorry but never in my life have I seen a white child come from two black parents. My mom's really dark and my dad's really light. I'm light too but I know I don't look like that white woman Peola lol.
@itsmekirstie Yeah but it happens on rare occasions to few black couples. A dark skinned Nigerian couple from England I believe had a very light skinned child with blonde hair that wasn't albino. As for the Peola thing, I should have been clear on the "passing" term but I should have said that it applies when you're trying to blend in with something you look like yourself that you're not fully or not at all. So Peola can pass for white since she look white but not black since she is black.
@itsmekirstie You are saying "black" to mean that every person that society would label as "black" are dark-skinned. You have "blacks" of every hue. Both of my parents are dark-skinned and the first child they had (my older sister) is extremely fair-skinned. Why? Because our maternal grandmother is half-white. What is in you can eventually come out, no matter how far back it stretches.
@itsmekirstie I know that. What I am saying is it's not unheard of. Skin color is made up by genes. If both parents's genes equal out to the lightest possible combination, then their child cannot be darker than their genes naturally allow. However, if their genes are mixed in such a way that they have certain "light" or "dark" genes mixed in no matter how "dark" or "light" (respectively) the parents appear, they could have a child of a different complexion.
@itsmekirstie I'm wth U. The character Peola was clearly a blatant exageration of race mixing. U notice her movie father is never shown so wht they r lookin 2 do is IMPLY tht such seed r offspring could b produced by a Negro female an male. Once again the watchers of this movie r bein told 2 JUST BELIEVE this scenario is possible w/out any genetic r scientific proof. Movies & Media have long been used by the colonizers 2 get ppl 2 believe historical lies an unTruths as if they were FACTS.
@itsmekirstie This makes NO sense. Do you know that black people look very white and even have blue or green eyes? AND they are not mixed! How is that passing as black if you ARE black? You people obviously don't know much about black people or genetics. Please pick up a book some time. It's not as uncommon as any of you think.
@itsmekirstie ...... yes one drop of black blood does make you black. the negroid gene is a dominant gene, so one drop of negroid bearing gene makes the whole person black. they may not look it but they are.
@darkaprilmoon You're a liar an there is NO Science that bkup wht u just said. Stop repeating wht u hav herd r ben told less U r willing 2 DO the science 2 prove wht u say. Genes can be CHANGED & Altered. Especially by racial mixing. What was once >dominate< can easily be made un dominate r even DEFECTIVE. That is y U will c no inter-species breeding r mating in Nature. All animals NO who they r naturaly supp 2 mate with 4 the expres purpose of protecting their genes by NOT dilluting them.
@girl123boy456 thats funny how you assume how u think i got my information. VERY FUNNY. i know what i am talking about for a FACT. your own statement actually applies to you not me. youre a liar(or just VERY ignorant) and you have no science to back you up. THE NEGROID GENE IS DOMINANT, IF U DONT REALIZE THAT THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE GENETICS 101
Peola wanted the chance to be treated as a person as opposed to a POSSESSION. Disowning her Black mother was the only way she saw to accomplish this. I don't see her as being a bad person for having thought this way back then or now with her looking the way she did. The Black mammy should have been willing to give her up as an infant so she could have had a chance at a better life. That would have been true LOVE
@girl123boy456 I was with you up until "The Black mammy should have been willing to give her up as an infant so she could have had a chance at a better life. That would have been true LOVE".... No that's some bull.. That's your child and how would you know if your child was going to look white as an infant.. Most black ppl are white or red when they are born..That's not true love at all.. True love is teaching your child to love them self for who they are..
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Teaching her 2 love herself? Ha that's laughable. Nobody black was taught 2 love themselves back then. The best her mother could do was try & teach her 2 b accepting of the blatant racial discrimination & how easy is that goin 2 really b when others r constantly mistaken her 4 being white thereby inspiring the HOPE inside of her 2 pass an have the better life that whites had? cont
Respond to this video..cont Peolas rebellion ended up killin her mother anyway so yeah I say she should have given her to a fair skinned couple and she could have had a better life. But Black dark skinned people are very colour struck when it comes to those mixed kids. The dam near worship them so giving them away even when it may be for their own good is the last thing they want to do. Just my take on it. Nothing really all that serious.
@girl123boy456 It's actually sad that you don't realize you don't make any sense at all.. SMH... Seriously go back and read what you said.. You sound confused.. First you said let her "pass" then said give her to "fairer skinned parents".. Which one is it?? Either scenario is messed up.. 1 That is your child 2 if you passed it as a white person then had a child and it looked black umm back then you could be killed 3 what's the difference between a fair skin parent and a dark skin parent?? -
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 She was clearly passing but her Black mama kept showing up and messing up her acts of deceit. If her mother had > given < her (around school age) to a blk couple that could also pass. Then her life would have been better and her real mother would not have suffered such direct rejection from her own child. They still could have had a relationship. Just not as mother & daughter... OPENLY. Whats confusing about that?
@girl123boy456 -taking care a child?? What does complexion have to do with the love of your child?? It doesn't have anything to do with being "color stuck".. What if you gave the child away and the person turned out to be a murderer or rapist?? What if you gave the child away and the child became a racist?? I mean come on.. It's more than this peaches and cream crap that your speaking about.. Not all dark skinned ppl were color struck like your thinking.. -
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Listen when u r having 2 raise a mixed race child an U have never done it b4 U r goin 2 b faced with some very different life challenges that U would NOT b facing r experiencing if the child was just 1 race. No mother is EVER prepared 2 have their own child grow up HATING THEM. 4 whtever reason. U can't plan r prepare 4 tht honey. Many dark Blks with bi racial kids in their families DO ACT COLOR struk, hair struk, eye struk , skin struk, body struk... the whole 9 yards.
@girl123boy456 You are teaching kids to hate who they come from and truly are.. The only one that is color struck is YOU.. You keep saying darker blks are color struck and that's bias and opinion only.. It's plenty of women in history that were blk that could have passed and DIDNT becase they love who they were.. You need to pick up a book and learn about all the actress and singers that could pass but never did.. They were BLK NOT BIRACIAL..
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 LOL my comments and opinions on this thread is NOW teaching kids to hate themselves and who they come from. WOW didn't no I had that much power. Especially over those I have never met. GTFOH I clearly said (many) darker blks. NOT ALL. And cow I don't need to pick up a book and read a damn thing. My comments nor this movie...HAVE NOTHING to do with blk women in history who loved themselves so WTF r U talkin about? Never mind... U don't even know WTH u talkin about.
You don't make sense and gets worst and worst so just stop writing me.. BTW the it is scientific proof blk parents can make a white child and vice versa.. If it has been scientifically proven Blks were the first race then that means everyone comes from Blks babe.. Read it up..
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Ha ha ha ha... the only thing that has bee proven is that U can tell *iggers ANYTHING an they will believe it w/out doin any research of their own. LOL There is no race called Black dumb lady. Black is a label just as White is. The correct term would be >root< races. These would be the races used 2 seed the planet. Some races were made and others were created. FYI, there r actually 2 blk "Root" races but they only tell U about the 1. Now U go read up on dat. LMAO
@girl123boy456 Lmao I knew you were white.. Upset because I have actually proof to back me up but you don't.. How lame! Quit spreading propaganda because you are a crazy white person that wants to be right.. Before wanting to "spread" knowledge*coughs* actually do "RESEARCH for YOURSELF"and learn to spell.. I will not read or respond back to you any longer because your just sad.. PS. Look up Black Parents-white child.. You'll see 2 dark AA parents with a clearly white child with blue eyes..
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Oh I'm wht now bcuz I know the diff btwn ppl of color & *iggers. Wht ppl created *iggers.. like U 2 serve them. N E misspelled words r mispled on purpose so step ur code game up silly grl. In Vetro Fertilization allows a doctor 2 take eggs frm 1 woman an implant them n another. The woman carries the embryo 2 full term. Whn she gives birth she IS NOT the biological mother r parent of the egg/baby she carried she is just the surrogate.
-you have to love your child and teach your child what's right so they can change it for the next generation.. to be honest without light skin or passing blk ppl that were proud to be blk, Blks wouldn't be as far as they are now.. Back in those times and even now white ppl wanted to take credit for everything and would try to tell certain blks to pass so they could have things that blks could be proud of.. SMH if you didn't know.. So yes they're were blks that were taught to love themselves..
@starbirdblue actually my mom is very similar to people with the whole look white( she looks spanish if anything) but actaully black.... but my mom accepted who she was, she actually likes it. she likes people saying," wow i would have never guessed"
I can't pass for white, but if I looked the part, I just know I couldn't turn my back on my mother like that. i just couldn't. It would have killed me to hurt my mother by disowning her like that.
Really, after her mother told her she likes him she does than...
DudleeProductions 1 week ago
steven says hes 37 ...37 my a-- he must be younger than ms bea--or elseshe would have been ten when she had her daughter--she was in colege easnt she or least late hight school
7harobed 3 weeks ago
My family on my moms side had indian blood and I had a great-great uncle who passed back in the day and he had a white family.And if he saw us in the store he acted like he never knew us his own blood family.But he would have been killed they if knew he wasn't white back then.So I can truly understand this movie it's so said.
athorpe630 2 months ago
oh Man, I just looked up Fredi Washington on IMD and she was from my hometown Savannah Ga. If I wouldn't have watched this I would have never known :)
shanellsplace 3 months ago
wth is up with these damn daughters in this movie?! omg i just wanna slap the shit outa both!
atkinsgina 6 months ago
@atkinsgina LOL my thoughts exactly! I wish my mom had worked super hard and struck it rich just for me, and given me the best of everything! These little chickies are so ungrateful.
jamajo78 1 month ago
\ my mom is very similar to peola with the whole looks white( she looks spanish if anything) but actaully black.... but my mom accepted who she was, she actually likes it. she likes people saying," wow i would have never guessed".
she knows that the negro gene is a dominant gene, and she has it, so she rather take more to her black side
darkaprilmoon 8 months ago
This movie still makes me sad. Peola was caught between a rock and a hard place, being the times of the 30's, "separate but equal". I doubt the blacks accepted her either, given the times.
SusDgs 10 months ago
Oh I get it now! Peola's dad must have been mostly white but in that time they called him black because one drop makes you colored. That's how she looks white.
itsmekirstie 10 months ago
There's no such thing as looking white and being black. Peola is biracial, and they should treat her as such. People act like one drop of black makes the person completely black, but that's not the case. Peola is not "passing." She 's not pretending to be something that she's not. It was hard at that time to embrace both races and cultures so she chose the one that was granted more privileges. Also a light skinned black person and a dark skinned black person cannot make a white baby lol.
itsmekirstie 10 months ago
@itsmekirstie First off, genetics can result in two black people being able to produce a white child especially if their white ancestry. Second, in these days the term "biracial" for those who were half-black and half-white didn't really mean anything. These people were just black because of the one drop rule. In Peola's case she wasn't really half and half since her father was a "light colored man" according to Delilah so she was basically black and passing since she wasn't necessarily white.
harriettewinslow 10 months ago 6
@itsmekirstie Also, "passing" in racial terms is when you pretend to be something that you're not fully or not at all. So for example, some one who happens to be black who does look white and some one who is biracial between black and white but looks white can pass because they would be showing the world that they are only white and nothing else. Basically they would be denying that part of them that our society would see them as; black.
harriettewinslow 10 months ago 2
@harriettewinslow welp, if Peola goes with the black people, then she's passing for black. That's "passing." Cuz she's definitely not all black looking like that lol. And I'm sorry but never in my life have I seen a white child come from two black parents. My mom's really dark and my dad's really light. I'm light too but I know I don't look like that white woman Peola lol.
itsmekirstie 10 months ago
@itsmekirstie Yeah but it happens on rare occasions to few black couples. A dark skinned Nigerian couple from England I believe had a very light skinned child with blonde hair that wasn't albino. As for the Peola thing, I should have been clear on the "passing" term but I should have said that it applies when you're trying to blend in with something you look like yourself that you're not fully or not at all. So Peola can pass for white since she look white but not black since she is black.
harriettewinslow 10 months ago
@itsmekirstie You are saying "black" to mean that every person that society would label as "black" are dark-skinned. You have "blacks" of every hue. Both of my parents are dark-skinned and the first child they had (my older sister) is extremely fair-skinned. Why? Because our maternal grandmother is half-white. What is in you can eventually come out, no matter how far back it stretches.
GirlieRat 10 months ago
@GirlieRat there's a difference between "fair skinned" and white
itsmekirstie 10 months ago
@itsmekirstie I know that. What I am saying is it's not unheard of. Skin color is made up by genes. If both parents's genes equal out to the lightest possible combination, then their child cannot be darker than their genes naturally allow. However, if their genes are mixed in such a way that they have certain "light" or "dark" genes mixed in no matter how "dark" or "light" (respectively) the parents appear, they could have a child of a different complexion.
GirlieRat 10 months ago
@GirlieRat but a light complexion is different than looking plain white, like hair, features, and everything
itsmekirstie 10 months ago
@itsmekirstie I'm wth U. The character Peola was clearly a blatant exageration of race mixing. U notice her movie father is never shown so wht they r lookin 2 do is IMPLY tht such seed r offspring could b produced by a Negro female an male. Once again the watchers of this movie r bein told 2 JUST BELIEVE this scenario is possible w/out any genetic r scientific proof. Movies & Media have long been used by the colonizers 2 get ppl 2 believe historical lies an unTruths as if they were FACTS.
girl123boy456 7 months ago
@itsmekirstie This makes NO sense. Do you know that black people look very white and even have blue or green eyes? AND they are not mixed! How is that passing as black if you ARE black? You people obviously don't know much about black people or genetics. Please pick up a book some time. It's not as uncommon as any of you think.
jamajo78 1 month ago
@jamajo78 Yes black people have blonde and red hair too!!
jamajo78 1 month ago
@itsmekirstie ...... yes one drop of black blood does make you black. the negroid gene is a dominant gene, so one drop of negroid bearing gene makes the whole person black. they may not look it but they are.
darkaprilmoon 8 months ago
@darkaprilmoon You're a liar an there is NO Science that bkup wht u just said. Stop repeating wht u hav herd r ben told less U r willing 2 DO the science 2 prove wht u say. Genes can be CHANGED & Altered. Especially by racial mixing. What was once >dominate< can easily be made un dominate r even DEFECTIVE. That is y U will c no inter-species breeding r mating in Nature. All animals NO who they r naturaly supp 2 mate with 4 the expres purpose of protecting their genes by NOT dilluting them.
girl123boy456 7 months ago
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@girl123boy456 thats funny how you assume how u think i got my information. VERY FUNNY. i know what i am talking about for a FACT. your own statement actually applies to you not me. youre a liar(or just VERY ignorant) and you have no science to back you up. THE NEGROID GENE IS DOMINANT, IF U DONT REALIZE THAT THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE GENETICS 101
darkaprilmoon 7 months ago
@girl123boy456
Exactly! =D
Plus, the Supreme Court OUTLAWED the racist
ONE-DROP RULE in 1967 (with the "Loving" case).
APGifts 2 months ago
@itsmekirstie funny that this is brought up since the actress that played peola is black
kellmankid1000 4 months ago
Peola wanted the chance to be treated as a person as opposed to a POSSESSION. Disowning her Black mother was the only way she saw to accomplish this. I don't see her as being a bad person for having thought this way back then or now with her looking the way she did. The Black mammy should have been willing to give her up as an infant so she could have had a chance at a better life. That would have been true LOVE
girl123boy456 11 months ago
@girl123boy456 I was with you up until "The Black mammy should have been willing to give her up as an infant so she could have had a chance at a better life. That would have been true LOVE".... No that's some bull.. That's your child and how would you know if your child was going to look white as an infant.. Most black ppl are white or red when they are born..That's not true love at all.. True love is teaching your child to love them self for who they are..
BluBerriBabiKisses90 10 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Teaching her 2 love herself? Ha that's laughable. Nobody black was taught 2 love themselves back then. The best her mother could do was try & teach her 2 b accepting of the blatant racial discrimination & how easy is that goin 2 really b when others r constantly mistaken her 4 being white thereby inspiring the HOPE inside of her 2 pass an have the better life that whites had? cont
girl123boy456 9 months ago
Respond to this video..cont Peolas rebellion ended up killin her mother anyway so yeah I say she should have given her to a fair skinned couple and she could have had a better life. But Black dark skinned people are very colour struck when it comes to those mixed kids. The dam near worship them so giving them away even when it may be for their own good is the last thing they want to do. Just my take on it. Nothing really all that serious.
girl123boy456 9 months ago
@girl123boy456 It's actually sad that you don't realize you don't make any sense at all.. SMH... Seriously go back and read what you said.. You sound confused.. First you said let her "pass" then said give her to "fairer skinned parents".. Which one is it?? Either scenario is messed up.. 1 That is your child 2 if you passed it as a white person then had a child and it looked black umm back then you could be killed 3 what's the difference between a fair skin parent and a dark skin parent?? -
BluBerriBabiKisses90 9 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 She was clearly passing but her Black mama kept showing up and messing up her acts of deceit. If her mother had > given < her (around school age) to a blk couple that could also pass. Then her life would have been better and her real mother would not have suffered such direct rejection from her own child. They still could have had a relationship. Just not as mother & daughter... OPENLY. Whats confusing about that?
girl123boy456 7 months ago
@girl123boy456 -taking care a child?? What does complexion have to do with the love of your child?? It doesn't have anything to do with being "color stuck".. What if you gave the child away and the person turned out to be a murderer or rapist?? What if you gave the child away and the child became a racist?? I mean come on.. It's more than this peaches and cream crap that your speaking about.. Not all dark skinned ppl were color struck like your thinking.. -
BluBerriBabiKisses90 9 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Listen when u r having 2 raise a mixed race child an U have never done it b4 U r goin 2 b faced with some very different life challenges that U would NOT b facing r experiencing if the child was just 1 race. No mother is EVER prepared 2 have their own child grow up HATING THEM. 4 whtever reason. U can't plan r prepare 4 tht honey. Many dark Blks with bi racial kids in their families DO ACT COLOR struk, hair struk, eye struk , skin struk, body struk... the whole 9 yards.
girl123boy456 7 months ago
@girl123boy456 You are teaching kids to hate who they come from and truly are.. The only one that is color struck is YOU.. You keep saying darker blks are color struck and that's bias and opinion only.. It's plenty of women in history that were blk that could have passed and DIDNT becase they love who they were.. You need to pick up a book and learn about all the actress and singers that could pass but never did.. They were BLK NOT BIRACIAL..
BluBerriBabiKisses90 7 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 LOL my comments and opinions on this thread is NOW teaching kids to hate themselves and who they come from. WOW didn't no I had that much power. Especially over those I have never met. GTFOH I clearly said (many) darker blks. NOT ALL. And cow I don't need to pick up a book and read a damn thing. My comments nor this movie...HAVE NOTHING to do with blk women in history who loved themselves so WTF r U talkin about? Never mind... U don't even know WTH u talkin about.
girl123boy456 7 months ago
You don't make sense and gets worst and worst so just stop writing me.. BTW the it is scientific proof blk parents can make a white child and vice versa.. If it has been scientifically proven Blks were the first race then that means everyone comes from Blks babe.. Read it up..
BluBerriBabiKisses90 7 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Ha ha ha ha... the only thing that has bee proven is that U can tell *iggers ANYTHING an they will believe it w/out doin any research of their own. LOL There is no race called Black dumb lady. Black is a label just as White is. The correct term would be >root< races. These would be the races used 2 seed the planet. Some races were made and others were created. FYI, there r actually 2 blk "Root" races but they only tell U about the 1. Now U go read up on dat. LMAO
girl123boy456 7 months ago
@girl123boy456 Lmao I knew you were white.. Upset because I have actually proof to back me up but you don't.. How lame! Quit spreading propaganda because you are a crazy white person that wants to be right.. Before wanting to "spread" knowledge*coughs* actually do "RESEARCH for YOURSELF"and learn to spell.. I will not read or respond back to you any longer because your just sad.. PS. Look up Black Parents-white child.. You'll see 2 dark AA parents with a clearly white child with blue eyes..
BluBerriBabiKisses90 7 months ago
@BluBerriBabiKisses90 Oh I'm wht now bcuz I know the diff btwn ppl of color & *iggers. Wht ppl created *iggers.. like U 2 serve them. N E misspelled words r mispled on purpose so step ur code game up silly grl. In Vetro Fertilization allows a doctor 2 take eggs frm 1 woman an implant them n another. The woman carries the embryo 2 full term. Whn she gives birth she IS NOT the biological mother r parent of the egg/baby she carried she is just the surrogate.
girl123boy456 7 months ago
-you have to love your child and teach your child what's right so they can change it for the next generation.. to be honest without light skin or passing blk ppl that were proud to be blk, Blks wouldn't be as far as they are now.. Back in those times and even now white ppl wanted to take credit for everything and would try to tell certain blks to pass so they could have things that blks could be proud of.. SMH if you didn't know.. So yes they're were blks that were taught to love themselves..
BluBerriBabiKisses90 9 months ago
Pamela Sue Martin looks just like Jessie!
dreRNME 1 year ago
i bet it was really hard to look white andbe black,,still even now 2010 there is still that now adays ,,people are so cruel...
starbirdblue 1 year ago 3
@starbirdblue actually my mom is very similar to people with the whole look white( she looks spanish if anything) but actaully black.... but my mom accepted who she was, she actually likes it. she likes people saying," wow i would have never guessed"
darkaprilmoon 8 months ago
so I guess back then people who decided to 'pass' actually did that and had to disown family and everything?
iamagodX 1 year ago
@iamagodX
Or was this more a rare situation?
iamagodX 1 year ago
@iamagodX That's pretty much the case. They didn't want to acknowledge their family either to avoid their secret getting out.
harriettewinslow 1 year ago
@harriettewinslow The book Welcome to the World, Baby Girl! by Fannie Flagg also discusses the subject of passing in detail
Altoclarinets 1 month ago
I can't pass for white, but if I looked the part, I just know I couldn't turn my back on my mother like that. i just couldn't. It would have killed me to hurt my mother by disowning her like that.
MsSilentsiren 1 year ago 10
i agree..and its educational too
peetyq314 1 year ago
This movie is very sad.
aeleclove 1 year ago