Vietnam War - Tet Offensive

[OcaMpO819]

@loveuyvonne thank your dad for me, this is interseting, I'm doing an essay on this topic ... (:

[ragman551]

Tôi AM Tết

[donteverlietome]

The viet cong thought the people of the south wanted to be united. That is how brainwashed they were. The attack was immoral as it was deliberately planned to occur on a cease fire day. (Normal, deceptive, lying communist behavior.)

The people of the south wanted nothing to do with communism but the North brought it to them anyway.

The Tet assault was a short lived, temporary "victory". The cong were driven out with huge losses. Total fail physically, but big psychological effect.

[DeMichaelSuperFan]

The US should have never gotten involved. Their imperialism did nothing but kill hundreds of thousands. There was no accomplishment and no logic in it.

[Alexn1067]

make sure you vilinise france as well, it was their colony and they didn't set Vietnam free

so if you really do care, and are not just some vulcher searching for ways to indite the U.S. you will hold France responsible as well

[pingooman13]

actually alexn, the US had control over all of vietnam just after the second world war, but gave it to france instead of setting it free.

[Alexn1067]

@pingooman13 got news for you buddy, it was the decision of the United Nations to give France back its colonies, so no, you can't blame that on the U.S. too. Europe has some of the blood on its hands as well. The U.S. had no more of a choice in that then a drunk driver does against a cop giving him a ticket.

Just like the treaty of Versailles, we didn't have much of a say when Britain and France decided to lobby those unfair reparations on germany which in part contributed to ww2.

[btwall60]

@DeMichaelSuperFan

yea, then Pol Pot came in, and led to utopia, much like we have now, with our new fearless commie. Obummer

[DeMichaelSuperFan]

Obama could nude his own country and he'd go down as more popular than Bush. Face it, Bush and the GOP in general usually have their own private interests in hand then the country second. Are you just upset that the US can't win a war anymore, or are you upset because a colored person is in office? Maybe it has to do with the fact less people will go bankrupt because of corrupt medical systems. Either way, call President Obama whatever you'd like, he's still doing far better than others could.

[Marnerbanana]

@btwall60

The North Vietnamese Army invaded Cambodia, defeated the Khymer Rouge and were going to put Polpot on trial before he died of natural causes. Shows how awful the Khmer Rouge were, and how the NVA weren't all that bad...

Oh and also China invaded Vietnam after they invaded Cambodia, but Vietnamese border guards managed to use old US equipment to fight them off. So I wouldn't tag them as nutter commies if they're willing to fight off the surrounding reds :D

[LeadenMarshmallow]

Wait, I think at the beginning of this video they say "February 31st"

[LittleMonkey1409]

March 1973, the US ARMY, included NAVY, MARINE, INFANTRY, TANK, AIR FORCE... must WITHDRAW from VIETNAM, after the FAILURE of Operation Linebacker II. They were WOUNDED, HYSTERICAL, SHAMEFACED.. They were FILMED. The films were SPREADED everywhere, to everyone.. to show the WEAKNESS of AMERICANS....

THE DAY OF GLORY IS RIGHT HERE :-)

[rayethon]

TET was huge dissaster for VC and NVA. Losses were 10:1 against VC.

[Moakusho]

@rayethon Thats true however, they lost the battle and won the war as a direct result of Tet because support for the war basically evaporated at home.

[Choopzilla]

nah its just the dinks wouldnt fight for themselfs. so we said fuck'em

[BanJobe1]

randomdheev is right, the attack was a huge failure for the North Koreans, but the media made it seem like the war was far from over, when the gov. was saying the the war was almost won.

[sengoku16]

go communist!ho chi minh spits on you enemys!

[sephvid]

But then again, seeing as he's dead, I doubt that would be easy to do. Sengoku, you need to shut the fuck up about the communism in Vietnam, it was and is still horrible.

Fucking faggot Commie.

[Marnerbanana]

@sephvid

The capitalism in Vietnam is pretty horrible, US brand clothes factories practically using slave labour and whatnot...

[pennstateftb123]

why would you call him a tool milita?

[tubub]

militia calls him a tool because he's a fucking dipshit and has no respect...

[MajornaMilita]

how great loveuyvonne, hope that works out for great for you! tool.

[cluch9]

u know its weird, i woulda hated to be in vietnam but half of me wouldve loved to be part of that part of history eh?

[tubub]

nah, if we would've won yes... It's true, war makes boys men and does build character, its western tradition. Sons go off to war to fight and come back men... but today, even though there are 300 million people living in this country we only have 1.5 million large military, including coast guard. It's sad, the sons of democracy do not have to serve their country and fight to defend the Western and Free way of life, they should never have gotten rid of the draft. Very, very sad

[cluch9]

yah and you guys are the bad guys eh? what a bunch of wankers

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

Conscription is economic madness, it drains workers from productive jobs in industry, agriculture, business etc that produce materials and capita for the nation. Sure training gets people fit and educated, lots of skill in the forces no dispute there, but what's the point in wasting their lives or giving them mental issues from pointless combat missions?

Huge armies and warfare as a way of life are, thankfully, a thing of the past. Small-scale secutiry operations are where its at :)

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

With an unemployment rate somewhere around 10% nationwide if not more, I doubt draining workers is really the issue here. In fact, I know it isn't. It's political caution to not call for a draft because politicians understand a draft completely changes the game, not to mention it also means their sons and daughters have to go to war as well.

Pointless? You're proving my point. If we're going on pointless missions, nobody should have to die. We shouldn't go on pointless missions.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

Employing them in the forces is a waste of taxpayer's money because they don't produce any material or capitol, and it what good will it do anyway? Afghanistan is about training their own security forces, US troops are definately needed, but swamping the place with millions of troops (10% or the American population?) is an expensive waste of time.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Completely wrong. One, I never claimed that we should enlist all the unemployed: that would go against the principles of America's military. I simply presented the high unemployment statistic as a response to your asinine statement about the "negative" economic consequences of military service.

Also, I never suggested sending all drafted soldiers into combat in Afghanistan, though some may be helpful. There are many other places in the world the American military has bases.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

If you want economic progress from state investment then get the govt to help set up renewable timber firms and subsidise things like windfarms and the construction industry, there's always demand for energy and building materials so that would expand the economy. Forcing half the country to join the forces for no good reason will economically castrate the US.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Well, now you are just rambling about... well, I have no idea. Before you hyperbolically took my unemployment statistic and twisted it to fit your own argument, and now you are saying I want to enlist half the nation? Not to mention your advocacy of increased and unnecessary subsidies, your comment really is a pile of drivel. I am talking about encouraging the youth to serve in the military as a similar necessity to higher education, which has a multitude of economic benefits.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

"Pointless? You're proving my point. If we're going on pointless missions, nobody should have to die. We shouldn't go on pointless missions. "

With a tenth of the US population in the forces as you propose, with only several countries unstable enough to warrant armed intervention, nowhere near the funds to equip this 10% army and nowhere else to engage them, that's about as pointless as anything gets.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

You didn't at all get to the crux of the issue and strayed far from your earlier point. I'll take that as a concession, which is good since your statement was morally questionable.

The US military has many more obligations and functions in world then those concerning the couple of hundred thousand combat soldiers engaged in AfPak and Iraq. Regardless, the military has in the past fallen short in recruitment. Also, let me reiterate I never proposed enlisted 10% of anything.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Moreover, claiming the American military engages in "small scale secutiry [sic] operations " is complete fantasy land. Look up how many private contractors the United States bankrolls, from mercenaries to truck drivers. The notion that fewer serving in the military is progress is laughable since all that means is that society is weaker, more narcissistic, and separates the military from society: That is dangerous. Society needs a draft in order to keep its constituents invested.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

Fewer serve in the military because technological advancements mean that less are needed which is good. More is spent on the average soldier now than ever before and that cost will rise. A volunteer army of well-trained and equipped men/women is better than a conscripted army of poorly equipped men. Even Russia is modernising.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Well, at least you talk some sense now. But you are still constructing an argument I never made and refuting points you made in this fictional argument. I never said we needed "a conscripted army of poorly equipped men." Our army during the 40s and 50s was modern, well-trained adn equipped, and conscripted. It would be wise of you to research how much the military has spent in the last few years trying to glean more recruits through increased advertisements and incentives.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

Asides from the fact that conscripts simply don't operate as well as volunteers (throughout history its a pretty clear thing) you can't arm huge infantry units properly without huge expenditure. might as well have 100 men with artillery, air support & body armour instead of 10000 men with nothing but guns and helmets. this "high firepower & technology" tactic has been a US basic for decades, do we need to go back to relying on numbers?

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

That's simply not true. The United States was capable of arming its soldiers adeptly throughout its history, regardless of whether they were volunteers or conscripts.

Actually, the United States has relied on superior resources as an element in its military doctrine since at least the American Civil War, nothing has changed. The only time we strayed from the coined "Powell Doctrine" was in Rummy's War in the Second Iraq, and that led to a fucking quagmire.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

This isn't a personal dig or anything but US recruitment ads are pretty poor, men twirling rifles and fighting dragons? Check the British Army ads out, they're actually quality and a fair few guys I know will hopefully be joining up (note: not being forced into the army) in a few years time.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Awesome man. Respect goes out to you for doing that.... but check out some of the newer ads, the dragon one is from like the 1980s(Though I'd disagree: I think that commercial is fucking sick.)

You're 17? I am too man, just put in older age on youtube so I could watch censored videos. I'll be joining the USMC through NROTC so I can come out an officer. Take it easy my man.

[Marnerbanana]

@tubub

er didn't say i was personally, just some friend, i'm hopefully going on an architect course at university, although an engineer in the territorial army would be useful when i'm in my mid-late 20s, so that's an option.

are you sure about the dragon? thought it was decent graphics for the 80s but ok. the point is british ads are all about skills and the experience and what to do, just so ingenious, definately worth a look.

anyhoo i'm still against mass conscription.

[tubub]

@Marnerbanana

Though you've made a horribly weak case against conscription.

[flossyleech1]

@tubub weak case indeed, being from a military family myself. i can safely say that if this marnerbanana wants to criticize the united states military, maybe he should live in the states. Not the UK. if he so chooses to argue with me i would highly advise him not to, as every member of my family has reached the rank of atleast major and m ost have reached colonel or lt. colonel.

[randomdheev]

Militarily the tet offensive was a disaster... they got absolutley battered... facing the yanks in open battle is 1 thing on the list of things not 2 do... but propaganda wise it was a crushing defeat for the americans.

[Skytroop]

It was a huge disaster for the Viet Cong who were effectively decimated and for the North Vietnamese who were willing to sue for a "negotiated truce" that is until the media (walter Cronkite) lied about the offensive and turned public opinion against the war.

[1988scottcarey]

congratz

[loveuyvonne]

my dad serve in nam when i was 5 years old!!! but now things have change im now serving for us marines for iraq~

[sengoku16]

well goto hell with him.like father like son.

[DeMichaelSuperFan]

@loveuyvonne

Didn't your dad tell you fighting in lost-cause wars are pointless?

[loslorie]

@DeMichaelSuperFan his dad odviouslly didnt told him that, it looks like the whole family have been chronically contaminated with false endoctrination.

[mediaphotographer]

@DeMichaelSuperFan  fuck you

[DeMichaelSuperFan]

@mediaphotographer Please do, I've been on a dry spell for a while : /

[ajsaccount1991]

@loveuyvonne GOd Bless you man, I'm gonna be a Marine as well

[mediaphotographer]

@ajsaccount1991  Semper Fi 68' Hue City 2/5

[ajsaccount1991]

@mediaphotographer Retreat, Hell!

[mediaphotographer]

@ajsaccount1991  Never did. We took the city killing over 5,000.

[ArbitraryLiberator]

@loveuyvonne God bless to you and your father.

[DisidenciaTricolor]

@loveuyvonne woowwww..you'sre soooo COOOLL!!! 11

[luissavestheday]

@loveuyvonne So you both served in phony wars? Please research the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Sorry you signed up before educating yourself.