Americans are very un forgiving that they want to put a drug user in jail. Don't people realize that person has problems and we should try to help people insted of passing judgement. Portugal leaglized durgs and crime whent down.
If you run your head through a wall and the taxpayer has to pay your ssi, medicare, etc.. you DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT
Same as if you are a fat ass your whole life and you kill yourself by smoking and drinking, you DONT GET NEW LUNGS< LIVER OR KIDNEY. You DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT
it is not youre job to micro manage everyones personal lives. but if that is your goal then you are doing a crap job of it; suicides, alcoholism, and a myriad of other things you have failed to control.
oh please, is it ok with you if we keep doing stupid things and posting them on the internet?
back to the subject of marijuana. it is not wrong for people to have diffrent opinions on the subject than you.
I'm not saying that I can micro-manage people's live, what I'm saying is that the mentality of "it's his body so we should just let him harm himself" is incredibly apathetic.
Someone who realizes that the desire for self-harm is an abnormal thought process that usually indicates the person needs help. If a person seriously wants to cut off their own hand something is wrong with them and it's irresponsible and apathetic to just let them do it or think that it's ok to let them do it just because it's their hand.
Did not properly refute that redneck's claim at 2:02. Specifically, he happens to be correct in that legalizing drugs does consistently increase their usage as indicated by comparing drug usage rates in Portugal between 2001 and 2007 (wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal; decriminalization of drug possession occurred in 2001). Although there are various factors at play, the available data cannot be ignored and strongly supports the redneck's claim. Anecdotes aren't enough to refute this.
@MonotonePeanut I just checked a Time article about drug rates in Portugal and it shows that drug use has gone down there in the past five years. The redneck is wrong. Wait, I was that redneck. Damn, I'm arguing with myself. lol
You misquoted the findings. 2009 Times article: “[The Cato Inst.] found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined” and “lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined.” This is consistent with the 2009 Reitox NFP report to the EMCDDA that life youth rates dec while general population rates seem to increase (tinyurl(dot)com/6clpw2v).
@MonotonePeanut No, the only thing I got wrong was saying in the past five years when it was the five years after they decriminalized drugs. The article clearly shows drug use going down while treatment has gone up.
@TheCurmudgen The findings indicate youth rates decreased. You claimed “drug use has gone down.” Youth decreasing =/= drug rates decreasing. It's possible for youths rates to decrease but the overall rate to increase hence misquoted the findings. Also: “population [illicit drug] rates seem to increase” as the RNFP report's data indicates is my conclusion, not part of the report. I didn't specify this in the original comment due to the world limit. Sorry for any potential confusion.
@TheCurmudgen Youth using less drugs does not overtly contradict the claim that overall rates increase. “Between 2001 and 2007, the use of any illicit substance increased from 7,8% to 12% [in the general population].” (p20) Despite the need to factor in the decrease in youth prevalance over the long term, the report seems to over-estimate the amount of people answering more honestly in the poll. Would the 4.2% inc be stat. signifcant if they lowered the req p-value to .9?
@TheCurmudgen Illicit drug use seems to pick up sharply at the 25-34 mark (p20) so there is a slight overall increase in adult (18+?) rates (p1017 from tinyurldotcom/3z85de4) despite the lower teen use caused by legalization. The overall difference isn't very large and hard to statistically validate at the standard significance level but it exists. The available data supports the rednecks claim more than it does to refute it. The claim that drug rates increase with legalization is valid.
@TheCurmudgen He's taken to posting his threats on other people's channel pages now ("I won't be leaving the country anytime soon. But if I were, I would quite happily throw you out of the plane.")
You just called me a fag, yet you don't use ad hominems?
What exactly would my sexuality have to do with our feud?
Yes, I did back myself up.
The law says "innocent until proven guilty". You say junkie parents are criminals. But you haven't proven how a parent being a junkie constitutes the necessity of a victim.
No victim, no crime.
Wanting to kill millions of mentally and physically ill individuals is apparently rational and just.
@rammsteingod666 I have to remind you of what I presented in the way of Portugal. They decriminalized the bad drugs too, such as cocaine and heroin. I would treat my child the same way if he/she was hooked on drugs or alcohol. I would have raised him/her with knowledge of what drugs and alcohol could do to them and if they reached legal age and started to shoot up, I would not like it but I wouldn't stop it. I would try to talk to him/her, try to get him/her to change their way, to be cont
@rammsteingod666 Pot is legal in the Netherlands and decriminalized in some states. The problems that sometimes come with drug abuse is no way in any form the same as child abuse. Sure, drug use could destroy some marriages but a lot of that is because the drug use is illegal. Drugs wouldn't harm families any worse than what alcohol does. And equating drug abuse as the same as child abuse is nuts and simply is not true.
@TheCurmudgen ALSO, and this is very interesting, Portugal has decriminalized drugs and has had a smashing success with it. I suggest you google it, a very interesting article.
the increase in government revenue wouldn't cover the cost of curing people with an addiction. Just like most countries now move away from smoking. Unless u live in america where the government doesnt care about ur health, i don't think this would be a good idea.
@rammsteingod666 There is a HUGE difference between drug abuse and child abuse. A person doing drugs only hurts himself yet a child abuser hurts a child. Also, you keep saying that if drugs were legal more people would do them and this is not the case. Drugs are legal in some areas and there has been no increase in drug use. The war on drugs is failing because, for the umpteenth time, people are going to do drugs, even if they are illegal. Why are we spending billions on something failing?
I never said anything about heroin addicts being allowed to keep their children in their custody.
And no, I'm not nearly as bad as you.
You're a mindless simpleton who's listen to one too many heavy metal songs and now equates "Kill 'Em All" as being an actual solution to life's many complicated problems.
I'm an intelligent human-being who can realize that things are not always so black and white.
(As in child abuse being "equivalent" to drug use.)
Firstly, no one has ever declared "War" on child porno.
Secondly, drug use is not at all like child abuse, so get ahead and knock that shit off.
And finally, if millions of people begin sexually abusing their children daily, I find it quite obvious that we will need to come up with a new policy in regards to child abuse.
However, the current laws have been very effective in stamping out child abuse.
@rammsteingod666 One thing I think everyone is missing is that making drugs legal won't necessarily mean more people will use them. If someone wants to do crack or heroin, they're going to do them, no matter if they are illegal. Also, look at how many lives and families are destroyed by alcohol. That's completely legal.
@rammsteingod666 Now although I honestly could care less whether or not heroin/meth/coke were legal on a personal basis, I believe you either have to be for liberty, or against it. A person has just as much a right to snort coke as they do to over-eat, gamble, ride a motorcycle, or participate in a 'violent' sport. All these things have their associated risk, but it's up to the individual to make choices for themselves.
@rammsteingod666 Pretty much EVERY person knows exactly what heroin is, usually hearing many bad things about it beforehand. It's essentially just a street version of the opiates that are prescribed, such as oxy and morphine. A responsible person will either not mess around with said drug at all, or experiment a few times then shy away. I would fall into the latter; speaking from experience no it's not as addictive as some make it out, you don't just magically become an addict.
@rammsteingod666 So we should make anything illegal that has the potential to do emotional harm to those that love you? Your argument is flawed. Any responsible mother not only won't go near heroin, but the ones that may already be addicted have the willpower to stop doing so because of their kid. Being legal won't change a THING in that aspect. And even if that were the case, it's not worth thousands of people dying due to gang violence, or people being imprisoned for making their own choices.
Since prohibition only works in the rarest of cases I would say that drougs should become legal. But that doesn't mean that I approve of them. Drugs are harmful to any community and I wished people would just stop using them.
i more then agree with you about body autonomy. i like the idea of legal prostitution too and not for pervy reasons either. i think we could erradicate the national debt or come closer then ever to doing so with govermnet regulated drugs plus if you don't have shady people cutting drugs with like draino and shit that does or can kill the user i think we'd make drugs a lot safer in the process.
Aside from a little pot in my college days, I have never done drugs, have not desire to do drugs and don't want to be associated with people that do. Having said all that, I agree 100%. And, no...I am not a Ron Paul Libertard.
Americans are very un forgiving that they want to put a drug user in jail. Don't people realize that person has problems and we should try to help people insted of passing judgement. Portugal leaglized durgs and crime whent down.
kenshuttlesworth 3 months ago
If you run your head through a wall and the taxpayer has to pay your ssi, medicare, etc.. you DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT
Same as if you are a fat ass your whole life and you kill yourself by smoking and drinking, you DONT GET NEW LUNGS< LIVER OR KIDNEY. You DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT
PETEYPABLO1977 6 months ago
@PETEYPABLO1977 I own the wall and I pay for my own health insurance. Hence the reason I mention it's ok to do as long as it affects no one else.
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
Also cars don't kill people, idiots driving them do.
NetraAmorosi 6 months ago
Running your head through a wall would only be acceptable if the wall is yours. Otherwise thats destruction of public or private property.
NetraAmorosi 6 months ago
prohibition creates crime. the feds are retarded and can't learn from history.
defect530 7 months ago 4
@defect530 - Or maybe they are in on it.
TalladegaTom 7 months ago
@TalladegaTom oh hi tom :D
defect530 7 months ago
@defect530 - Hi defect530. :)
It's kinda funny/cool that you thumb up lots of stuff I like as well.
I see a thumbs up from you and I generally know I will like it.
Have a good one!
TalladegaTom 7 months ago
If a person wishes to cut off his own hands should he be able to?
vicious3579 8 months ago
@vicious3579 It would be a stupid thing to do but they are his hands so yes.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago 4
@vicious3579
what are you going do, break into that persons house and stop him from cutting off his hands?
AceofDiamonds0 6 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0
No, but I think you'd have to be incredibly apathetic to think it's a good idea to let someone mutilate himself.
vicious3579 6 months ago
@vicious3579
it is not youre job to micro manage everyones personal lives. but if that is your goal then you are doing a crap job of it; suicides, alcoholism, and a myriad of other things you have failed to control.
oh please, is it ok with you if we keep doing stupid things and posting them on the internet?
back to the subject of marijuana. it is not wrong for people to have diffrent opinions on the subject than you.
AceofDiamonds0 6 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0
Wow, you sure got defensive in a hurry.
I'm not saying that I can micro-manage people's live, what I'm saying is that the mentality of "it's his body so we should just let him harm himself" is incredibly apathetic.
vicious3579 6 months ago
@vicious3579 Who are you, or anyone else, to say what a person can and can't do with his own body?
TheCurmudgen 6 months ago
@TheCurmudgen
Someone who realizes that the desire for self-harm is an abnormal thought process that usually indicates the person needs help. If a person seriously wants to cut off their own hand something is wrong with them and it's irresponsible and apathetic to just let them do it or think that it's ok to let them do it just because it's their hand.
vicious3579 6 months ago
Did not properly refute that redneck's claim at 2:02. Specifically, he happens to be correct in that legalizing drugs does consistently increase their usage as indicated by comparing drug usage rates in Portugal between 2001 and 2007 (wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal; decriminalization of drug possession occurred in 2001). Although there are various factors at play, the available data cannot be ignored and strongly supports the redneck's claim. Anecdotes aren't enough to refute this.
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@MonotonePeanut I just checked a Time article about drug rates in Portugal and it shows that drug use has gone down there in the past five years. The redneck is wrong. Wait, I was that redneck. Damn, I'm arguing with myself. lol
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen Cite the article.
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@MonotonePeanut Link is in the description box.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
You misquoted the findings. 2009 Times article: “[The Cato Inst.] found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined” and “lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined.” This is consistent with the 2009 Reitox NFP report to the EMCDDA that life youth rates dec while general population rates seem to increase (tinyurl(dot)com/6clpw2v).
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@MonotonePeanut No, the only thing I got wrong was saying in the past five years when it was the five years after they decriminalized drugs. The article clearly shows drug use going down while treatment has gone up.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen The findings indicate youth rates decreased. You claimed “drug use has gone down.” Youth decreasing =/= drug rates decreasing. It's possible for youths rates to decrease but the overall rate to increase hence misquoted the findings. Also: “population [illicit drug] rates seem to increase” as the RNFP report's data indicates is my conclusion, not part of the report. I didn't specify this in the original comment due to the world limit. Sorry for any potential confusion.
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen Youth using less drugs does not overtly contradict the claim that overall rates increase. “Between 2001 and 2007, the use of any illicit substance increased from 7,8% to 12% [in the general population].” (p20) Despite the need to factor in the decrease in youth prevalance over the long term, the report seems to over-estimate the amount of people answering more honestly in the poll. Would the 4.2% inc be stat. signifcant if they lowered the req p-value to .9?
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen Illicit drug use seems to pick up sharply at the 25-34 mark (p20) so there is a slight overall increase in adult (18+?) rates (p1017 from tinyurldotcom/3z85de4) despite the lower teen use caused by legalization. The overall difference isn't very large and hard to statistically validate at the standard significance level but it exists. The available data supports the rednecks claim more than it does to refute it. The claim that drug rates increase with legalization is valid.
MonotonePeanut 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 Don't let the door of the airplane hit your fascist ass on the way out of the country.
Nostrabar 8 months ago
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Nostrabar 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 A threat and then a bigoted insult? You piece of shit.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen He's taken to posting his threats on other people's channel pages now ("I won't be leaving the country anytime soon. But if I were, I would quite happily throw you out of the plane.")
Nostrabar 8 months ago
You just called me a fag, yet you don't use ad hominems?
What exactly would my sexuality have to do with our feud?
Yes, I did back myself up.
The law says "innocent until proven guilty". You say junkie parents are criminals. But you haven't proven how a parent being a junkie constitutes the necessity of a victim.
No victim, no crime.
Wanting to kill millions of mentally and physically ill individuals is apparently rational and just.
Whatever, you stupid fascist boner.
I quit.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Yes, you did admit that tacitly, by stating that I need to prove that junkie parents are not child abusers.
If it's innocent until proven guilty, then they're innocent until proven guilty.
Seemed simple to me, but then again look who I'm talking to.
As demonstrated here, you don't understand law.
If you're gonna trash talk, learn how.
I have a temper?
This is coming from someone who wants to kill millions.
But clearly me calling you names, means I have temper issues.
Pussy.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 I have to remind you of what I presented in the way of Portugal. They decriminalized the bad drugs too, such as cocaine and heroin. I would treat my child the same way if he/she was hooked on drugs or alcohol. I would have raised him/her with knowledge of what drugs and alcohol could do to them and if they reached legal age and started to shoot up, I would not like it but I wouldn't stop it. I would try to talk to him/her, try to get him/her to change their way, to be cont
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen .....and even offer to take and pay for treatment. I couldn't stop a child of legal age from drinking, but I could help them stop.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around, dumb ass.
I don't have to prove that junkie parents aren't child abusers, they have to be proven to be child abusers.
You clearly have no understanding of the law.
I'm baldly asserting?
How can I baldly assert?
Is my hair falling out? I think not.
Your last argument put the nail in your own coffin.
If we get to kill all "scum", then you should be the first to go. I don't want your stupidity to spread.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 Pot is legal in the Netherlands and decriminalized in some states. The problems that sometimes come with drug abuse is no way in any form the same as child abuse. Sure, drug use could destroy some marriages but a lot of that is because the drug use is illegal. Drugs wouldn't harm families any worse than what alcohol does. And equating drug abuse as the same as child abuse is nuts and simply is not true.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@TheCurmudgen ALSO, and this is very interesting, Portugal has decriminalized drugs and has had a smashing success with it. I suggest you google it, a very interesting article.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
the increase in government revenue wouldn't cover the cost of curing people with an addiction. Just like most countries now move away from smoking. Unless u live in america where the government doesnt care about ur health, i don't think this would be a good idea.
mazle100 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 There is a HUGE difference between drug abuse and child abuse. A person doing drugs only hurts himself yet a child abuser hurts a child. Also, you keep saying that if drugs were legal more people would do them and this is not the case. Drugs are legal in some areas and there has been no increase in drug use. The war on drugs is failing because, for the umpteenth time, people are going to do drugs, even if they are illegal. Why are we spending billions on something failing?
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Also, stop straw-manning me.
I never said anything about heroin addicts being allowed to keep their children in their custody.
And no, I'm not nearly as bad as you.
You're a mindless simpleton who's listen to one too many heavy metal songs and now equates "Kill 'Em All" as being an actual solution to life's many complicated problems.
I'm an intelligent human-being who can realize that things are not always so black and white.
(As in child abuse being "equivalent" to drug use.)
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@RichInCarcinogens Well done. I don't think he is getting what we've been saying.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Great, so you won't mind linking me to a clip where some well respected government figures discuss the "War On Child Porn".
While I wait for that clip...
Child abuse is not on equal footing with drug use. Stop trying to pretend it is.
The vast majority of convicted drug criminals are non-violent criminals. Child abuse is inherently violent, excluding cases of verbal abuse.
For child abuse to occur there must be a victim. A guy getting high on his couch is a victimless crime.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Well that answered my question.
You are indeed insane.
Firstly, no one has ever declared "War" on child porno.
Secondly, drug use is not at all like child abuse, so get ahead and knock that shit off.
And finally, if millions of people begin sexually abusing their children daily, I find it quite obvious that we will need to come up with a new policy in regards to child abuse.
However, the current laws have been very effective in stamping out child abuse.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Dealers are like weeds, cut one down and two grow back.
When there is clearly still a very high demand for drugs after decades of attempted prohibition, then you have failed.
It's not like the "War On Drugs" is free. It costs billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and accomplishes nearly nothing for it's hefty costs.
As for the death penalty issue, are you insane?
Do you have any clue how many millions of people have supplied drugs?
It would be a second holocaust.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666
Sorry, but you've been mislead.
We tried stamping out alcohol, it didn't go so well.
In fact for all the reasons prohibition failed (gangs, violence, continued use, high enforcement cost, etc.) this drug war has as well.
If hard drugs are not used as much as you say, then legalizing them won't be a problem. After all the demand for them is really low apparently.
Believe it or not, it's not hard to get drugs. People with a desire to do them, already do so.
RichInCarcinogens 8 months ago
Drugs can be used as a currency...one that grows on trees (in a manner of speaking).
Governments/banks don’t like this because it would allow a completely independent economy and break their fiat currency cartel.
GreatGungHolio 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 One thing I think everyone is missing is that making drugs legal won't necessarily mean more people will use them. If someone wants to do crack or heroin, they're going to do them, no matter if they are illegal. Also, look at how many lives and families are destroyed by alcohol. That's completely legal.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 Now although I honestly could care less whether or not heroin/meth/coke were legal on a personal basis, I believe you either have to be for liberty, or against it. A person has just as much a right to snort coke as they do to over-eat, gamble, ride a motorcycle, or participate in a 'violent' sport. All these things have their associated risk, but it's up to the individual to make choices for themselves.
Raelsatu 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 Pretty much EVERY person knows exactly what heroin is, usually hearing many bad things about it beforehand. It's essentially just a street version of the opiates that are prescribed, such as oxy and morphine. A responsible person will either not mess around with said drug at all, or experiment a few times then shy away. I would fall into the latter; speaking from experience no it's not as addictive as some make it out, you don't just magically become an addict.
Raelsatu 8 months ago
Legalizing drugs would make welfare costs go up to take care of all the nut cases
no1saphead 8 months ago
@no1saphead
I'm sure people can handle not going nuts with drugs just because it's legal.
lildread1 8 months ago
@lildread1 I've been around drugies They are for the most part lazy and non productive.
no1saphead 8 months ago
@no1saphead
Idk about that, I like being productive when I'm stoned.
lildread1 8 months ago
@no1saphead That would be assuming more people would take drugs, which I covered.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 So we should make anything illegal that has the potential to do emotional harm to those that love you? Your argument is flawed. Any responsible mother not only won't go near heroin, but the ones that may already be addicted have the willpower to stop doing so because of their kid. Being legal won't change a THING in that aspect. And even if that were the case, it's not worth thousands of people dying due to gang violence, or people being imprisoned for making their own choices.
Raelsatu 8 months ago
yes
mrx0066600 8 months ago
@rammsteingod666 A child abuser hurts someone else. A dope smoker only hurts himself. Big difference.
TheCurmudgen 8 months ago
Since prohibition only works in the rarest of cases I would say that drougs should become legal. But that doesn't mean that I approve of them. Drugs are harmful to any community and I wished people would just stop using them.
BuecherFuerAlle 8 months ago
i more then agree with you about body autonomy. i like the idea of legal prostitution too and not for pervy reasons either. i think we could erradicate the national debt or come closer then ever to doing so with govermnet regulated drugs plus if you don't have shady people cutting drugs with like draino and shit that does or can kill the user i think we'd make drugs a lot safer in the process.
TheBadcop69 8 months ago
Aside from a little pot in my college days, I have never done drugs, have not desire to do drugs and don't want to be associated with people that do. Having said all that, I agree 100%. And, no...I am not a Ron Paul Libertard.
sonvolt48 8 months ago