BBC Panorama: British Schools, Islamic Rules (Part 2 of 2) HQ

[fangok]

rise against your spineless politicians and stop Muslim immigration - a full stop!! A concerned Dane

[SUPERSAJINZ]

U bastards colonilized our countries committed atrocities In india for 200 years now. These are the fruits of ur labour paybacks a bitch, oh I'm not supporting any group but I believe that's the wrong stuff done by our countries we will reap the consequences. If we didn't mess around in their countries and just traded etc instead of countless wars, media trying to degrade and attack thier beliefs the. Wonder y wer failing

[ArchaicReality]

This is hogwash. Lets see the the BBC investigate jewish schools that teach far far worse than what the muslimeen teach. Jews lie and christians are too dumb to know their religion is rigged. Islam is the truth and it is obvious since so many try to attack it. The west needs to leave us alone

[Primordialfan1]

@ArchaicReality

The west will leave you regressive paedophile prophet following scumcunts alone when you FUCK OFF back to your sand riddled homeland.

If you choose to stay you can either modernize or leave.

[Wh3atley]

@ArchaicReality fuck you and use your brain to realize how much islam sucks and what atrocities its already done to our - the proper world.

go back to sandy dusty hot fuckarabia if you hate the real world so much

[waves14]

@ArchaicReality Religion is a for of control and power from over 2000 years ago. Christianity is plagiarised from Judaism and Islam from them both. We have progressed, move the fuck on and learn to appreciate the world we live in without fear of an invisible god.

[3abooshe]

@waves14 shut up

[3abooshe]

@ArchaicReality your right!!!!!!!!!! let them search the dumb jews!

[endthedisease]

So now non theist kids have to go to Muslim schools to prevent segregation?

[KILLUSALL92]

we should fucking fuck ass like gays because we are cool

[izaccy]

Thats one big British own goal !

[TheGrimReapress]

hahaha I learned something new! Jews look like monkeys and pigs! hahaha I'll be able to recognise them before they are stoned! :D hey, um, can we eat them, the pigs I mean, not the monkeys, I sorta like monkeys; don't really wanna kill them; plus I've never tasted monkey meat. Maybe it's time XD would probably taste very humanly and I'm not that into cannibalism.... pork on the other hand mmmmm, delicious haha

[Mrbobab]

@TheGrimReapress

Don't worry, that guy who translated what was written in that book was, merely, a liar.

[TriumphTruth]

The whole program shows nothing more than their(westerners) fear from the Muslims. I don't know, what are they afraid of actually. What are they troubled about, that makes them to peek about in others. We all are born free, we live free and so it is our right to practice, belief, follow and learn, what ever we want to, their is no authority, whatsoever to enable us to live 'their' way!

[izaccy]

@TriumphTruth Ironically you say we are all born free, and we live free.

What BBC Panorama was investigating, was an ideologue that wanted to strip away those born free rights

[TriumphTruth]

@izaccy ok, now here's the argument.... U believe that by living like a rat, always surrendering and being "under-laws", is free? Or do u believe that by living under the agenda, "New World Order", without questioning and saying something is free? See, we all are following something, one-way-or-the-other... The point being is to be submissive to 1, true being, not the Humans itself...

[TriumphTruth]

@izaccy Another thing is, the research is heavily biased, since its always the case with western researches abt islam. You cannot go on to see something with the hidden cam, and conclude on your own what the story is. U've got to ask the actors. plus, real issue is, the way they are picturing things and making them "appear" is the only reason u pple are saying all that. I mean they could have done that they sat with them and questioned them humbly, things they are uncomfortable with.

[TriumphTruth]

@izaccy that's another thing that they agree to it or not, even after the discussion... but whole view of you people would have changed......

And Allah is the source of Strength.....!!

[UnitedEuropa]

12:25 That looks almost exactly like a swastika.

[UnitedEuropa]

We should ban religion from every public space. It only causes problems and conflict between people.

[WhiteDragon103]

ISLAM, FUCK OFF

[ritchloui]

24 January 2011 Shaikh Abdulrahman Al-Barrak calls for the beheading of those who initiate or accept gender mingling in schools or in the work place. “They should be given one chance to repent, but if they do not, they should be considered apostate and beheaded,” Islam, the religion of peace. Hahahahahaha

[IPCupic]

please all watch the whole video of: "The Insanity of Christian Zionism! "

[TheRockZH]

This happens if we don't confront Islam in Europe

A MUST SEE

/watch?v=JYpl122kay8



[TheRockZH]

Muslim To-Do List JANUARY 2011

[ x ] Bomb church in Egypt

[ x ] Hate Jews

[ x ] Death sentence to girl who said Muhamad is not our master

[ x ] Kill politician who tries to save her life

[ x ] Celebrate and cheer the murderer of the politician in Pakistan

[ ] Build glorious mosque in New York as symbol for 2001 victory

[ x ] Kill a dozen of dhimmis in Moscow

Sharia is the end of your Freedom. Islam is the trojan horse.

[GlitchReality]

@TheRockZH U R TOTALLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Islam is a religion of peace and mercy and before u ask Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are just rogue elements in islam. STOP FUCKING UP plz thank u kindly

[TheRockZH]

@GlitchReality

No. Wrong. What I've said is the reality in the world.

[TheMcnuffy]

@GlitchReality I agree Osama Bin Laden even opposed islamic rules in the shia and sunni religions (the catholic and protestants of islam) he created his own sub religion pretty crazier

[ritchloui]

@GlitchReality 'Islam is a religion of peace and mercy' HAHAHAHAHA and more HAHAHAHA. You clearly haven't read the Koran. Hahahaha. Beheading, stonings, maimings, floggings, mutilation, throwing people off cliffs isn't barbaric. Hahahahaha. Forcing women into sacks to hide the many, many injuries. Hahahaha. Islam is peace. Hahahaha.

[ritchloui]

@GlitchReality Islamic attacks on Christian churches during Mass and only Mass.

31 Oct 2010. Bagdad Our Lady of Salvation Church, Terrorists killed 58 worshipors and two priests

24 Dec 2010 Nigeria. Maiduguri, terrorists attack a Church killing 32 and injuring 50

26 Dec 2010 Philipines. Jolo. Bomb set off in a church wounding the priest and 10 worshippers

1 Jan 2011 Egypt. All Saints Church Bomb set off in a church killed 21 and wounds 70

Islam is a fascist ideology founded by a child molester.

[andym87]

I don't normally find myself agreeing with Michael Gove - but I certainly did here.

[tafunda]

Definitely agree that fundamentalism is evil - all religions spout evil, hateful dogma that needs to be regulated if not wiped out in the west.

Anyway there was a serious case of bad journalism going on. The passage that the Saudi was reading was: "و قد عوقب اصحاب السبت منهم بالمسخ الى قردة و خنازير". It means that "[The Jews] were punished, some by being turned into monkeys and pigs". The quote is taken out of context, it didn't actually say jews look like monkeys and pigs. Quote mining!

[auraofgloom]

@tafunda

I disagree that ALL religions spout hateful dogma-reading the new testament gives NO mandate to kill anyone or to expect to have a right to any kind of power in the present world.

I'm also not sure that I have ever seen a hateful Buddhist for that matter either...

Hateful People might come up with hateful ideas but the issues the people and they would do the same even if they were atheists. Science minded folks can be just as evil and twist science for evil too.

[tafunda]

@auraofgloom Yes the New Testament. I don't argue at all that Jesus was not millennia ahead of his time ethically - "Turn the other cheek" and the like. But the absolutely vile evil that the New Testament brings is that of "Original Sin" (Romans 5:12-21). To condemn human beings to an eternity in hell, just for being born! To terrorize innocent children, who are not mentally developed enough to argue or question back, with the concept of hell is inhumane - it is evil.

[auraofgloom]

@tafunda

Hey-if you dont believe in the bible then why do you CARE about 'original Sin'? You dont think anyone is condemned to anything so why fuss?

I kinda think terrorizing kids with anything is rather evil anyway-even hell. On the other hand if you cant prove that people wont be rewarded or punished on their merits then telling me not to teach my kids what I think they need to know is as dogmatic and fascistic as the Catholic Church-I dont tell you what to teach your child do I?

Continued

[tafunda]

@auraofgloom Original sin is a despicable dogma that causes people to feel guilt and shame just for being human. Burdening children with nightmares of an eternity of burning hell is not right.

And telling you not to mentally and/or physically abuse your children is not dogmatic or fascistic, it is humane. If you saw someone beating their child, would you stop them? But when you see someone telling their child that they will burn forever in hell for not accepting God, you turn a blind eye...

[tafunda]

@auraofgloom Besides I don't have to "prove" anything. You claim there is a God, you prove it! There as zero scientific proof for the existence of an almighty being.

Now back to the science statement. Science is the building of knowledge. Good and bad people use it for their own ends. Nothing is inherently evil about it.

But built into religion itself are evil dogmas: "kill the infidel", "you are a sinner", "repent or suffer for all eternity". There is something inherently bad in it.

[auraofgloom]

@tafunda

I am going to send you a "YouMail" because this vid is about ISlamic fundamentalism rather then religion in general. I think you already know that I think your wrong when you say all Religion has inherantly evil Dogma built in to it.

I think you will find people use all things for Good or ill and the fault is usally with the person.... (I have yet to see a gun shoot someone by itself or a car drive itself into a wall)

[tafunda]

@auraofgloom As for Buddhism, it is not inherently evil, but it is still degrading to the human species. As Hitchens said about Buddhism, "[It is] a faith that despises the mind and the free individual, that preaches submission and resignation, and that regards life as a poor and transient thing". Why can't people see life for what it is? Transient, yes, but beautiful! Why spend time preparing for a non-existent life afterwards, when they can enjoy this one? Religion is unnecessary!

[tafunda]

@auraofgloom Finally we come to science... As you said, people (emphasis) can use science for evil. There is nothing wrong at all with science itself. It liberates and enlightens us. It allows us to see our universe for what it really is. But counting how many people that atheists (eg Stalin) killed vs how many people religion has killed is not the point. Is religion a force for good? No. Is it necessary? No. So why do we still have it?

[auraofgloom]

@tafunda Continued.

How can you define "EVIL" in an objective way anyway? Not in any fixed way i would guess.

Anyway, how do bad people using religion for ill make THAT bad but bad people using science for evil dont make science bad? Isnt it more sensible to blame THE BAD PERSON?

Is science a 'force for good' ? NOPE! It is used for Good or ill BY PEOPLE, like most religion. Agree or not?

Is freedom a force for good?Think how it holds up change!Needed? SOME would say no, so shall we ban it?

[akademiker11]

So many problems with the Muslims in the west. The question is; why do we let them in?

[CutCokeCrack]

get these fucking muslims out of Europe NOW!

[Qsmngy]

this is just a lie, I'm Saudi and the book dosen't say that at all.. It's really amazing how media can wash some brains!

[auraofgloom]

@Qsmngy

Islamic schools in the UK got called out last year or the year before for teaching this SAME evil crap and they had the text translated by two people and the head of the school (who was female as it happened) was unable to give a better translation for the passage when asked by the presenter. She said that it was being "Misunderstood" if i recall.

[wavelet0]

@Qsmngy It does. I speak Arabic and I've read the books in question. I know you think lying to infidels is ok/halal, but it won't work anymore.

[Qsmngy]

@wavelet0 إذا مستعد نتناقش بالعربي ما عندي مشكلة

[Skyisnotalimit]

@Qsmngy عند الكتابة باللغة الإنجليزية

[Qsmngy]

@Skyisnotalimit ههههههههه... Don't use Google Translator because it's useless, but take it from me: it's out of context, and context is everything when it comes to these matters. Thanks.

[auraofgloom]

@proceo12 LOL

Difference is one is planning on SENDING people there express mail......

[Lucifer986]

some Muslim children LOL its not the Saudi curriculum its extracts taken from the quran and hadith it is Islam. The out of context argument fails lol so what context is the right context? there is no justifiable context for stoning or cutting of limbs. The quran ITSELF is a horrific book and Mohammed life was one endless fight and campaign of murder. Islam just does not agree with liberal values we wouldn't allow Nazis why allow Muslims

[MatchCard]

7:10 the narrator makes it seem horrifying, those damn frightening boxes of books!! lol

[Aeschylus]

Taqiyya.

[slipcurve]

It's a ticking time-bomb. We are ignoring this at our own peril.

Let's ban faith-schools, they have no place in a modern society.

[b1rdkeeper]

And before anyone slams me for bringing up the issue of pro-"Palestinian" support in the UK, my point is that everything in this video is taught to "Palestinian" children.

You can't support "Palestine" without supporting everything that is mentioned in this video. When will you people realize that?

[KattOOshi]

@b1rdkeeper Definitely not true. I support the Palestinian people and their cause and at the same time I believe that Israel is doing some things that are right. I have been in the country so many times and I really think that people who don't know what they're talking about should just keep it shut so they don't make themselves look really stupid. Both sides are wrong and both sides are also right. In order to fix the problem you have to understand both parts and not put the blame on one side.

[b1rdkeeper]

How is this any different than Nazism? Seriously?

Indoctrination of children. Violent hatred (and fear) of "the other". Homophobia. Xenophobia. Anti-Semitism.

What's it gonna take for you Brits to wake up? The UK is still one of the biggest "Palestine" supporting western nations and just a few weeks ago some brilliant kid got banned from the Cambridge debate team for sticking up for Israel, because he was accused of using "foul language".

WAKE. THE FUCK. UP.

[oliversenord]

@b1rdkeeper To be fair Israel is pretty fucked up. Religion sucks ass.

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

The more I read about the acts and sayings of the Islamic prophet (which are the basis of Sharia LAw) the more horrific it looks to me. There are records of him cutting the heads off prisoners,robbing opponents, torturing people, cruxfying apostates + marrying a pre-pubescent girl (waited till she was 9 to consumate).Thats fromISLAMIC Biographers.

When Christians do that stuff we are GOING AWAY from what Jesus teaches and does- and wanting secular power is corrosive to real faith.

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom First and foremost, you do not know more than I do about what "Jesus" taught. You also do not "know" that "Jesus" is still alive or if there indeed ever was a "Jesus". For u to believe such things... it brings to question if you actually believe also that hundreds of dead people rose from their graves and walked around a city after the famed "resurrection" of "Jesus".

Real faith... is real ignorance. Ignorance is the entire reason for faith. What about Hosea 13:16?

[KattOOshi]

@emeralds222 Do you even know what you're talking about? Did you know that there's a DIFFERENCE between the Old testament and the New one? Did you know that Christians follow THE NEW TESTAMENT? Did you know that all the citations you're making are from the Old one? Did you also know that when Jesus came he "abolished" the Old testament? We Christians believe in the NEW TESTAMENT where it's all LOVE! The Old one is more of a history check for us. And besides Muslims and Jews believe in it, too.

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom and further, in the Psalms where one can take glee from smashing babies heads against rocks? What about "Hell"? Is your "Jesus" so meek and mild then? What about cutting off your hands and plucking out your eyes if they offend you? What about in Timothy where u are to hate your mother, hate your father, hate your brothers and sisters, and yourself also?

Don't be such a hypocrite.. Your delusions are just SLIGHTLY less severe than the islamic ones. I think your "God" is horror

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

OK i never said i knew more then anyone about Jesus taught- dont see the issue. I'll put it in an atheistic setting if you like it better:

The Bible says Jesus healed the sick, told people to love each other and never killed, tortured or robbed anyone.

The Hadiths and Quran say that Mohamed killed, tortured robbed and enslaved.

Now,considering that we're both meant to go off the words and example of out founder why dont you tell me how following one is the same as the other?

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom Um... What happens to people who do not believe in "jesus"? How loving is he then? Yes... let's keep them alive and burn them forever. U either listen to my teachings...(half of which are bogus) ... or I will torture u forever and ever.

Which is more evil?

These are both stemming from the Judaic writings. "Jesus" stated he would not change the law one jot or tittle... Or did you forget that part?... He also stated he came to FULFILL the laws..

D

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

Let me get this right- your angry at Jesus (Whom you DONT believe in) because he's not loving enough...but you...uhm..dont believe in him OR hell where he therefore WONT send you because its fake.

Thats about right?

As for Chrstians ruling over you...well, i thought i said that Religion should'nt get into politics or were you too angry to notice?

Democracy means we vote for people WE choose- I'm sorry if the people dont agree with your wise choices but i guess thats, well, Freedom.

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom I do not get angry at Santa Claus and I do not get angry at "jesus". I don't get angry at "God" i simply get angry at delusional persons who have no idea how they were indoctrinated to believe absolute bs and don't care.

Second.. Washington is controlled by public opinion.... perhaps corporations as a close second. How do you control public opinion? Control the media. King Murdoch's News Corp controls vast amounts of our media. He has christian views. PROPAGANDA = FOX

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

So your saying that the fault is really with the uniformed, stupid american people who are FOOLISH enough to elect people to office that dont know the Right Way According To You..So your saying that the people put Christians in the White house when they should actually choose a candidate of your choosing.

I'm so glad that you eat local produce, live in an unheated unlit house,cycle or walk everywhere and wear only the clothes you make from veg fibres and use libaray computers only.

[TTFLS]

@emeralds222 Look at the rest of the world and tell me I am wrong... Is it not so that this world has been in constant war ever since the beginning of man kind and that democracy and the atom bomb are the first 2 things to really adress this problem? Is it not so that without the bomb, the west and democracy this whole world would still be at war? You shouldn't look at how bush lied to get us into war and how stupid we where to believe it, but at how fast we got them to withdraw again...

[TTFLS]

@emeralds222 Of course 10 years later is a long time and more then 200.000 related deaths is a lot but its nothing if you compare it to the past when countries could be at war for 80 years, then make love for 20 and then go at it again :S Its very easy to stand on the side criticizing the modern world and giving example of how some things worked better in the past... Truth is that the west, even with its short comings, is keeping this planet and your progression alive...

[TTFLS]

@emeralds222 There is only one battle and one battle only... No common enemies, no common foes... The only battle that humans fight is that of ignorance and intelligence... A battle between our nature and between what can be our nature... If you understand this and only if you understand this you will be able to learn something about this world...

[jeebersjumpincryst]

@TTFLS very well put. im totally with that sentiment.

[TTFLS]

@jeebersjumpincryst ^^

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

2nd post and point

Also I dont really care if you like my God or not. You can be an atheist,wiccan muslim, buddhist, jew or wear your underpants on your head and chant soccer songs for all I care. May LOL

Religion or lack of is really down to personal choice-do you trust ANYONE to have that power over us? Secular power=corrosive sending religion bad.

The Issue is a POLITICAL one- i would be just as against Christian theocrats- BTW when did you last Christians killed a mocker?

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom

Really? For all you care? Well, would you agree then that we should take "under God" out of the pledge of allegiance and keep church and state separate? Would you agree to take "In God We Trust" off of our dollar bills? Would you vote for an atheist or muslim for president? Just wondering....

My answer is... I do NOT trust christians to rule over me. We are in WARS because of these sons-of -bitches. Thousands of our youth have been killed and mained... Thank you so much

[auraofgloom]

@emeralds222

2nd post and point

And WHAT wars are we in due to 'Christians" anyway?

I thought we were fighting Iraq so that you could keep gas under 6 bucks a gallon, heat and AC your house and eat meat when you feel like it...

Sorry that Bush is a dumb ass who cant finish fighting the REAL enimys before he makes and oil grab. If you live a green lifestyle and use only re-newable energy (and eat local hand grown food) then I will absolve YOU of being a consumer who's needs drive foeign Policy

[emeralds222]

@auraofgloom We are in the Iraq war due to christians. Again... public opinion controls washington. Who was in the whitehouse? What were his statements?

Um.... the republican party stands up and screams they are christians. The tea party too. Rupert Murdoch and his cronies too. It is christianity that is STOPPING US from progressing actions to end global warming, getting rid of discrimination policies, and KILLING abortion doctors.

And yes, I am more green than u could ever know

[TTFLS]

@emeralds222 Well in some ways you are right m8... However democracy is the only thing that is keeping this world humane... Of course its easier to solve the green problem without democracy... But that is something practical... If you look at anything else, ever war, its been pushed back by democracy... every single social change comes from individuals... In a democracy you are fighting your leaders just as in any part of the world but we just have a slightly better chance...

[auraofgloom]

@TTFLS

Very true!

You can solve immediate and short term issues by MAKING people comply and taking their freedom but what happens then is that the "wise" people in power turn into just another corrupt and incompetent despot because that sort of power does that to people and institutions.

You just end up with another problem further down the line,

[TTFLS]

@auraofgloom Exactly.. And its not like dictators are doing anything about the environment.. Let alone that they would without European pressure etc..

Its the same old same old... 'Power corrupts, more power corrupts even more'..

A shame is that a generation is born now who has no idea what the west and our culture has done for the people in this world... However they have no problem with finding out about slavery, imperialism, the indians in america etc.. how retarded(or dangerous) is that :S

[TTFLS]

@emeralds222 And its just to easy to look at problems of the modern age and then just to say we should go back as how it was... Imagine it like this.. What if china, russia, brazil, india, saudi etc, what if one of these countries would rise to power today... Would it be any better? Its weak to laugh at the modern age and those who created it but somehow people who think like that always conveniently forget what the alternative is....

[emperoreitan]

I should have said Jew-Hatred, since "anti-semitism" has been co-opted by useful idiots like marsCubed. Who btw, if you read his profile believes in UFOs. Goes to show...

[papasitoman]

Wait a minute...just because a school doesn´t have a large minority or a good mix of different ´races´ or relgions that doesn´t mean that the students will learn racist things; in many places in the US, Canada and Latin America and Asia there are few to zero minorties in the schools but they don´t learn things like ´jews are pigs etc.´ Integration can help solve the problem but to say that it is the answer is wrong. What they are TEACHING them is the problem.

[Abena20]

@papasitoman I agree, but in addition, when people are isolated from different people they may still view them suspiciously, even if they are not taught racist material. People are naturally unwelcoming to those who are not like them, so it is best to have them interacting with a diverse demographic of people early

[emperoreitan]

Laughable. No anti-semitic material of anynkind in english schools, huh? Attend a class on Mid_east politics at LSE if you want to hear anti-semitism - shrouded as "social-justice." The BBC are such hypocrites! Just look at how they don't ever give Israeli weather, never. Their Qatari sponsors wouldn't like that. Their coverage of Cast Lead was atrocious, believing Gazan reports of dead and wounded. Now when the specter of Islam becomes clear to them their limp wrists buckle and slimily shudder

[marsCubed]

@emperoreitan Don't be ridiculous, the anti Semites are the Israeli state. The Palestinian population are Semites. Nazis even carry Israeli flags on their demos these days. white phosphorus, soldiers camped in houses while familes who lived there literally die suffering in rubble.. It is a fucking evil racist and Nazi state.

Most people are beyond disgusted by the Israeli far right.

SO go fuck yourself you right wing racist shit.

[emperoreitan]

@marsCubed Butthurt? The fact is that Hamas and Hezbollah idolize the Nazis, since you brought them up, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem organized Muslims to fight in the SS. Muslims all around the world supported Hitler's program of genocide. You should do some research before you throw falsehoods.

[marsCubed]

@emperoreitan So your defence is that Israel can brutalize populations with state power because they know of others who tried to do it too?

Your 'moral' argument can be used for Hitler also.

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

A child dying in the rubble, yet what matters is the right skin colour, because genuine evil is unmoved, you can go kill more too? Until when? when the most evil people say stop killing kids?

Disgusting hypocrisy and cultural chauvinism of the worst kind.

[emperoreitan]

@marsCubed you have a fascination with Hitler, btw the U.N./Swiss investigation into "civillian deaths" in Gaza proved the Israeli side to be correct and the arabs to be liers, nothing new for Arab media to lie.

[marsCubed]

@emperoreitan

When you refer to 'never again' as 'a fascination with Hitler', in response state brutality, it's an indication of how corrupt that state has become.

Palestinians are dispossessed, impoverished, economically blockaded, shot at and living in camps.. yet Israelis say.. Hitler was worse, don't be so fascinated.

It's sickeningly cynical and denotes a deterioration in your humanity for cultural pride.

[sensur1]

AND that includes agnostic\atheists too

[sensur1]

Give schools HUGE bonuses for having a perfect mix of all religions and races in school.