Legality vs The Ethics Of Sharing MP3's And Files Part Two

[JMVpaintballing]

pause at 2:02 lololololloloolol

[Themsthebreaks1]

Information wants to be free.

[bweeeeeeeeee]

dammit, i got that same mother fucking spindle!

[BodyKnight]

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[darklink223456]

This guy should be the next director of RAA

[wecca1]

"Take care of yourself and those around you, take care"

[danicepeda]

I agree with you 100 percent

[Wallywood187]

dude you should do every book on tape ever

[charliehuka]

as you can see weve had our eye on you for sometime now, mr. anderson

[yurritt]

What is with all the people bashing Greg, he has an opinion, he has a right to say what he wants, if you don't like what he has to say, don't listen.

[MercifiesProductions]

I have personally talked to an FBI Agent, and she said that they don't go as crazy about people that download things for personal use compared to people that download them to sell.

[xmike87]

RE the chips, they have to put lots of air in the bag or else all the chips would break during shipping.

[itchystiches]

You're a bafoon, Greg

[HelloImGregSolomon]

Hello. I'm Greg Solomon.

[xshalludiex]

He does have reason in his video. I do believe that these companies are not out for the common good of the people. After all most artist make a large portion of their money selling merchandise and concert tickets.

[kenkarsonn]

Greg Solomon needs to do a podcast. :)

[zdaserft]

pause on 5 seconds

lollollol

[Robfergy]

@zdaserft I think he farted.

[Chthon128]

After watching this full part 1 & 2, I can say with confidence that Greg Solomon has, without a doubt, THE MOST twisted, perverted sense of moral equivalency and murky, misguided ethics that I have EVER heard!

GREG, YOU HAVE A HUGELY WARPED SENSE OF ETHICS AND MORALITY!!

He thinks that only stealing a PHYSICAL CD from a store, is "stealing" Well WHY THE FUCK do people steal/purchase CDs, software, etc, if not to acquire what is ON THEM?

But ILLEGALLY DOWNLOADING it is OK?!?!

ASSHOLE!!

[Lucasdcls]

Most of the money artists make today comes from merchandising and concerts... And really dude... what's with all the cursing...

[Chthon128]

Greg, you're obviously an intelligent and well-read man, but unfortunately, your opinion on STEALING MUSIC is FULL OF SHIT.

When you download a "free" song, you're stealing money DIRECTLY from the artist who created that piece of music.

Sadly, you have conflated the RIGHT of an artist to be compensated for their WORK with the GREED that a separate entity makes by marketing either that artist or his product.

THE ARTIST LOSES THEIR COMPENSATION WHEN YOU STEAL MUSIC!

THAT'S "UNETHICAL"!!!

[CyberSpaceFilms]

He's pipe may be a michrophone! :O

[warhawk4444]

another thing are the boxes of skittles they have a box about 3 times bigger than a normal bag but when you open the box theres another package inside holding the skittles that is the same size as a normal bag

[FruitloopXLove]

I could listen to your voice all day <3

[guitardude864]

me too :)

[FrancescoGrazianoDj]

@FruitloopXLove Same!

[SilentD1]

The comparrison is faul and downright unethical. Copyright law and packaging is not something you can mix and match and compare. Now if you spend 3-4 years on developing a piece of software, or record a song, and spend a fortune doing it, you'll be happy RIAA exists... Yes it's about money. It's about whether Madonna can keep "working" as songwriter/performer, or everyone rips her off by downloading the music and she no longer can sustain her buisness of music. Get a little perspective..

[phantomburger]

This is a good point. Why are consumers expected to be ethical when businesses are not? The law is on the side of the corporations and not the customers. Why can we be said to be stealing when they can do so legally?

[soccerrocks383]

Hi Greg,

I'm not sure if you're still using youtube or not, but I thought I'd comment anyway:

is downloading music legal? no

is it ethical?...

that depends on your thoughts regarding intellectual property. In my opinion, you have no right to share or distribute someone elses work, if it is against their wishes.

[soccerrocks383]

you made a refference to the internet being a community where people share valuable information (music, programs).

many people share programs that they created, in the form of 'freeware' (linux being an example).  some people share songs that they wrote/played/recorded. that's ethical.

[soccerrocks383]

is it ethical to share the products of other people's work (knowing that in doing so, you're denying money to the person that produced the program/music)? I'm not so sure

[ProductPlacer]

Memorex did not want to stock two different kinds of cd containers. No surprise. Plus it was probably more compatible with existing shelving in record and electronics stores.

[Dredgy7]

IIIII WANNNAAA BEEEEEEEEEEE ANARCHYYYYYYYYY

I lol'd

[sgtpepper1138]

another way to look at the packaging issue is like you were talking about earlier, the bottom dollar, one reason they package the cd-r like that is so they only have to make 1 die instead of 2, they can cost thousands to make, OR they could do it so people like us make the mistake and NOT look at the contents

[battlesix]

they do that so it wont break

[proent]

Whats the difference between downloading it and sharing it and downloading it, burning it on cd/dvd, and sharing it

[shaziro]

He didnt say that proent, he said downloading it, burning it on to a cd, and then selling it.

[eyikoda]

your theatrical

[Eyes1919]

Just like "The Andy Griffith Show" and "I Love Lucy"...

I like you more in Black and White!

[Coey87]

There is no double standard there. They can package however they want, however they want; but downloading mp3s is illegal.

[mapetite]

Right on man. I only wish more people thought like you when it comes to those of us who use the internet as a resource to share music and such. I love the way you think. You keep talking and I'll keep listening. :)

[mainoskatko]

Very good video, I wonder why this has not received more attention.

[snoopycool1]

This is a very informative video. Good Job on it.

[progrim]

seems sincere and i like the presentation. personally i don't see a real connection between packaging and filesharing though...

[willyeo]

Just common man, speaking of common sense of ethics and how he really feels about things that are happening right now to the common men like you and me out there. A very commendable effort of him to do this video and show the world and people, who might otherwise believe what the big corporates have to say.

[HJPhilippi]

As you mention the industry's greed: I know people who download and load and load... as much as they can, just because they can and it's "free". They will never look at all those movies, listen to the CDs, they even won't have the time to. It's just pure greed.

One should not forget that behind this abstract "industry" thing it's men, too - greedy men, like you and me.

[proudhug]

I burned this video onto a DVD and sold copies of it to my friends. Thanks Greg!

[twilightki]

The singer of the band Disturbed said he didnt care if people downloaded music. He said he didnt make much off of album sales, he just says as long as people come to concerts he doesnt care.

[megahappyjim]

thankyou for sharing your viewpoint. really really interesting viewing for me. I'll be subscribing for more :)

[embeme]

nice

[XaviNL]

Hello Greg, I am just writing because I admire your way of reasoning, and I am astonised about you capacity of analysis and observation. When I grow up I want to resemble you, sincerelly.

[nerphodic]

brilliant man

keep em commin

you are the funniest dude on this site.

your shit is better than tv

[GoodISniper]

Though I'd also like to say I appreciate what you have to say about the discretion between ethical practice and legal practice. (I too love Thoreau)

[GoodISniper]

Ethics is, in fact, not generally practice of common sense. (Ask any utilitarian) :) I am asking that you clarify precisely what you mean by the use of the term Ethics.

[GoodISniper]

I feel as though I ought to post some sort of disclaimer before I post anything here. It is not my intent to attack any user, including Mr. Solomon, but to clarify precisely the content of the video presented.

I am an Ethicist. It is what I do, per se. As I have been working on my Thesis in Philosophy, I have run across many definitions of Ethics. In this video, you relate Ethics to common sense. However, at this point, I must object.

[ZenArcherlyingshit]

this video speaks the TRUTH!!

[evilutionism2]

i think that greg is a real life jedi...

[evilutionism2]

shut you face holes and listen to greg

[marjet]

the large print giveth & the small print taketh away.

[buellja]

Also, Climaco1160 makes a good point. While it's not 'illegal' to have a file on your computer, it is illegal to share that file without proper licensing. Funny that you're allowed to make an archival copy for your own purposes (provided you own or have license to it), but if that archival copy happens to become available to someone else (in cases where people may not now much about their computer/file sharing) then the burden is on you for making the file available (even if unknowingly.)

[buellja]

As sad as it is, it seems as though "packaging and marketing" is a good 80% deception, 19% truth, and (at best) 1% ethical.

Laws (specifically, business law) are a necessary evil I think. But you have to wonder who are they serving? Yes, they serve and protect the consumer sometimes. They protect the innocent sometimes, but the overwhelming majority of the time, they benefit and serve the corporations.

[Mattson402]

great vid, I feel I always learn something when ever I watch any of your videos.

I borrow CDs and DVDs from friends all the time then I rip them onto my computer... is that ethical? Also, I have a question about proxies. When ever I share I make sure to connect to the internet using a proxy. I know sharing isn't necessarily legal but is using a proxy to hide my identity legal?

[buellja]

Using a proxy to masquerade or hide your identity is not illegal, but be aware that most proxies don't really provide anonymity. Anytime you send a packet onto the Internet, it is traceable to some degree. There are some decent proxies (anonymous) out there; just Google Anonymous Proxy and you'll get a host of results.

[Climaco1160]

Do you get penalized for "downloading"...?

Or for allowing other people to 'download' files off of you?

I'll be waiting for your answer.

ThanX!