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And before you go saying that the mainland was Old Tyre, it was not called that, it was called Ushu and the island was called Tyre.
Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Tyre, as was prophesied. Not he nor Alexander nor anybody ever destroyed Tyre. If you think this is bullshit, go to Tyre and tell anyone there that they live on a barren rock.
Bring a bag to put your ass in for the trip home.
@longboardrules "The old city was scraped clean and thrown into the sea to build the road to the island. To this day it is scraped clean, nobody lives there."
You have your history wrong, kiddo.
Bzzzzzt! Tyre has been continuously inhabited for about 4700 years. It has never been "scraped into the sea". The prophesy is about the island not the mainland BUT guess what?!? The mainland portion is indeed inhabited anyway. Try google earth before you stick your sandal in your mouth again.
brainwashed? u postulate the impossibility of life without oxygen, DNA came from chaos, the material for the big bang just appeared, and ur ancestor was a monkey.
Darwin never came up with a trans species nor can U. His dead corpse enshrined.
Genetic adaption and reversion not valid, archaeopteryx, nt impressed. U try to escape death & judgment by faith in man who killed the son of God & nukes himself. Tonight remem God has his hand out to u, cares about u, & u slap it away.
@longboardsrule321 Where do you get your information, your pastor? The first life did not use Oxygen, it made the Oxygen we breath. DNA comes from evolution, not chaos. You are still a primate.
Darwin's Ideas were accepted 150 years ago, mostly due to Archaeopteryx, which is a transitional fossil, something creationist demand but then deny.
God sent his son and we killed him so he forgave us our sins. That makes sense, not.
My primitive mind differs from ur primitive mind in that I see ur theory built upon the idea that random elements or chaotic elements do the impossible which is to arrange themselves in bridge order, manufacture by themselves, self repairing, self replicating life. We build stuff that think, talk, move. Imagine something being built with no intelligence or design. It doesn't happen only in fairy tales or show me an example, show ur self.
Read- "A spacecraft has tasted oxygen in the atmosphere of another world for the first time while flying low over Saturn's icy moon, Rhea"
U sure oxy came first or r u parroting another who taught u what to say? Absolutism, is that what U like? I feel so primitive crossing blades with someone who knows everything. Animal life on Rhea, imagine that. Evolution is an idea adhering to chaotic elements becoming life. like a whirlwind in a junkyard assembling a computer.
@longboardsrule321 The problem with reading is, you need to finish reading everything, even after you find what you think is evidence in your favor... "Instruments aboard Cassini revealed an extremely thin oxygen and carbon dioxide atmosphere that is sustained by high-energy particles slamming into the moon's surface and kicking up atoms, molecules and ions."
@longboardsrule321 "Astronomers have counted 62 moons orbiting Saturn. At 1500km wide, Rhea is the second largest and is thought to be made almost entirely of ice."
Ice - frozen water
Water - H2O
H2O - two hydrogen atoms and one... wait for it... wait for it... wait for it...
OXYGEN ATOM
Break apart one molecule of water you get two parts hydrogen and one part OXYGEN. This would explain the "extremely thin oxygen and carbon dioxide atmosphere" That you wish to use as proof of something.
@longboardsrule321 Next step. Understanding that without an OZONE LAYER, NO GASES AT ALL would stay in our atmosphere. So. If there was oxygen on Earth before our ozone was formed, it most likely "floated off into space." We have good reason to believe that the Earth's atmosphere was highly carbon dioxide, we have grounds to believe that foliage formed first because it thrives on carbon dioxide and emits the life-giving oxygen that gave rise to the rest of life on Earth. Go back to school...
@gregrutz U got me, kind of. Complex, 3d design comes from the nature of crystals as molecules loosly join themselves. They do not build elemental complexity as they are of the same stuff. Rain droplets can build rainbows as they align in harmony but are not complex even though depending on each for the bow. Electricity performs a function as electrons are used in alignment but in themselves are not complex, magnetized iron the same butl non complex like the snowflake. How was that?
@longboardsrule321 No one EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said the material for the big bang "just appeared." Again, YOUR FAIRY TALE claims that god made everything FROM NOTHING. The big bang theory postulates that EVERYTHING ALWAYS EXISTED IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. If you refuse to educate yourself on the matter it's quite important for you to stop talking about it, lest you wish to continue showing the world how completely retarded and brainwashed you are.
As to where the materials came from, before there were materials (in other words atoms and molecules), there were subatomic particles. And before there were subatomic particles, there was pure energy. We know we can convert energy into matter and back again - the only requirement being that it is done in accordance with the laws of conservation.
One hypoth, energy came from a false vacuum that formed by of a random quantum fluctuation.
"One of the hardest things to comprehend and reconcile in cosmology is the 'free lunch' factor - how it comes to pass that the universe can get something for nothing; how it can go from not existing, to existing; how matter or energy can come into being from it's former non-existing state."
*Hey, they don't know! How can they, but speculate? The laws of entopy state that everything, including light is slowing down until energy is null. What lasts forever?
@longboardsrule321//... Secundinius....... If everything is diminishing, even the speed of light, what of the electons orbiting the proton. If the atom/matter is shrinking how can we know?
Like u said, troll, we are slithering over the sidewalk of the universe waiting for a galactic happening, riding a skateboard. Maybe DR Suze had it right our world is a floating particle. Why do u care? U have no soul, U just a biolgical accident? A hanging bag of elelments with cancer that formed a brain.
@longboardsrule321 Yep. That's me. A biological accident. And a "troll" to boot. That's classic coming from the asshat who quotes stuff from the internet without understanding what any of it means while trying in vain to use it as proof of god. Funny how the people with the degrees who've actually studied this stuff (I've studied it as well, I just don't hold a degree in it) all agree, but you and every other creotard on the interwebz knows more, as fact, than they do...
@longboardsrule321 Light is not slowing down, dummy. The universe could have always been here, just smaller. Quantum Theory lets matter appear and disappear all the time.
@gregrutz How do u know light is nt slowing down? Read Lambert T Dolphin. Imagine that, debating a dummy. I always thought we had a lot to learn and anything is possible if not proven impossible. Realize what u do, Greg. U base ur assumptions on theory. Q theory is a theory. Theories have opponents and proponents but are nt fact until proven. U r starting to do what all evolutionists do, evolve to scorn when faced with "chaos making life" without intelligent input and manipulation.
@gregrutz Why don't u do a little research to see what science is saying about the speed of ions before u show more ignorance. In ur spirit, Jesus is light and u r in utter darkness. U have no light in ur life, no fruit, and u waste the time u have left on ur self. How about that, the Bible calls u a fool, deal with it as u live it. ur statements, name calling prove just who is in charge.
@longboardsrule321 Idiot... You don't understand the laws of entropy so stop trying to use them for your argument for god... In a CLOSED SYSTEM. One where NO ENERGY COMES INTO THE SYSTEM. Nice try with the strawman, but that fucker burned a long time ago.
@Secundinius Sorry, I don't read uptight people, but tell them name calling, scorn, is the measure of a weak mind. Happy to talk to U when u r rational.
@longboardsrule321 Your failure to read and comprehend doesn't equate to things not being true. The trouble with facts are, even if you don't believe there are true, they are still facts. Your beliefs have no impact on their factuality. Now, if you had actually read my posts, which I am not surprised someone as intellectually dishonest as you wouldn't do anyway, you would have been able to figure out that the egg was a metaphor for all the matter and your hands the pressure of the black hole.
@longboardsrule321 The theory goes: All black holes suck in matter around them and eventually will attract each other becoming a singular entity; a single black hole. ALL of the matter will be within this ONE black hole. The pressure started building when they were multiple black holes and compounded once they all combined. Theory further states that eventually the pressure will become so much that matter will have no choice other than to expand and this is what causes "big bangs."
@longboardsrule321 It has been postulated that the universe is in an incessant state of ebb and flow. That all matter always existed and it gets contracted into singularities (the single black hole mentioned prior) and from there expands (the big bang) and dies (stars going super nova and collapsing). We KNOW that a lot of the heavy elements we find on earth cannot have formed from the explosion of a "normal" sun, but only under the conditions of a supernova.
@longboardsrule321 Failure to understand any of this information does not render it invalid nor does it make the "God dun eet!" excuse valid. Furthermore, you are posing an argument from ignorance. There is no reason to "disprove god" because god hasn't been proven and by definition cannot be proven by science. Science (or any LOGICAL person) would not waste their time "disproving" god because that is a pointless venture. The burden of proof lies in the hand of those making the positive claim.
@longboardsrule321 You know what a black hole is? It captures everything, including light. Nothing, NOTHING, can escape a black hole. It is so dense it's gravitational pull sucks up everything, including light. Now, take a hard boiled egg. Place it in your palm and squeeze. Put more and more and more and more pressure. Eventually the egg will find a weak spot and explode outward. This is the same concept of a black hole.
@Secundinius Cool, no name calling. Black holes saw one in a Disney film, liked it. A reasonable theory that could be fact. A gravity well where even ions are pulled in. Where natural laws of physics are turned inside out. Where even doors to other dimentions might be waiting. Eggs are cool. What is ur point?
@gregrutz Actually u learn alot reading scifi. much of scifi of yesterday has come to fruition today.
Wouldn't u say reading new ideas keep a mind open? U seem 2 like reading about someone's ideas, don't U?
Fiction is just ideas. Ideas based on science is scifi. Scifi called fact, are ideas based on presumption. Presumption called fact endorses lying. When is lying good? It's not right to call a theory fact unless proven. Keep's the kids frm truth. Closes minds. lying is never good.
@longboardsrule321 Nothing "lasts forever." Not in the sense you want us to believe. If you had half a clue, you'd be dangerous. Now, you wanna talk speculation? Speculation: God made everything. How can you KNOW there is a god let along that he created everything? We can test scientific theories. We cannot teat this "god" theory because god, admittedly, is "outside the bounds of science" and therefore "is not testable."
@longboardsrule321 Okay, don't read it. While you're at it, quit talking altogether. You come on here, on a PUBLIC FORUM and start talking all sorts of incessant childish nonsense and when you get corrected and called out for being a buffoon, you get your panties in a bunch and start crying. You have shown time and time again that you refuse to listen to what others are explaining to you and you refuse to learn about this on your own, so shut up.
@longboardsrule321 If you can't be honest enough with yourself to actually learn about it or honest enough with us and say you are an uneducated fool and you don't understand what we are saying, you are wasting everyones time and need to shut up already. Again, your ignorance and unwillingness to learn doesn't negate any facts. I will state there is no god because no one has proved god. I was a Roman Catholic for 22 years including the 2 years I SEARCHED FOR GOD before leaving religion for good.
@longboardsrule321 The problem with copying from the internet: Sure, you sound smart, but it means nothing if you don't understand what all those big and scientific sounding words actually mean. When you copy from the internet and you are not willing to learn and to understand the things you copy and paste, yet you still believe you have "won" a debate, you lose.
@Secundinius You assume. Let's talk fact. We have different ideologies, we both reject in each other. Now u saying I can't bring up another source? U reject my analysis that matter cannot assemble self without someone's effort. U say random elements in confusion or a primordial soup can pop out life. I say, show me anything random making anything that can move. Ideas are fine and u can assume they are fact but don't belittle someone who is asking for proof as were not all honest.
@longboardsrule321 Okay, normally I don't do this (anymore) but you deserve it. You are a fucking moron. Claiming that there is no proof doesn't make proof go away. Claiming that no chemist has ever been able to "recreate" abiogenesis, doesn't make all the experiments that HAVE DONE SO go away. You don't care about facts nor do you care about the evidence supporting them so stop acting like you do. You have been presented fact after fact after fact. You just refuse to accept any of them.
@longboardsrule321 "Where the materials came from." Who says they had to come from somewhere? Who says they have to have a defined starting point? Because your mind is too shallow to understand that 1) there may be things we can never completely explain and 2) all the matter in the universe could have just always been there. The universe is so much bigger than this pale blue dot. Regardless, your "explanation" holds no merit.
@Secundinius Talking to u is like trying to reason with a little kid who is punching u. u don't hurt but it is a drag and boring listening to downer talk. tell u what. Think about scorn and putting people down that don't believe like u and write me in a couple of days if u want. I'm looking for thoughtful, intelligent, humble, honest conversation. Boring is someone calling ideas fact which = assumption. assuming is dishonest, proud, but proud of what?
@longboardsrule321 You had that already. You don't want facts. You refuse to accept them and you refuse to learn them on your own. Stop lying to everyone here claiming you want fact. SCIENCE IS BASED ON FACTS not ridiculous beliefs written by men who didn't know the first thing about the first thing. ASSUMING that god is a fact is dishonest. We can OBSERVE black holes. We can OBSERVE the universe. We CANNOT OBSERVE "god." Who's assuming?
@longboardsrule321 We can SHOW our ancestor to be a GREAT APE (not a monkey as Kent Hovind would have you believe). Saying something is not valid doesn't MAKE it invalid. Your outright refusal to comprehend or learn anything past the nonsense you believe and your willingness to blatantly ignore everything science can prove doesn't change anything by any amount. The problem with facts, even when you claim they are false, they are still facts and therefore still true.
@Secundinius U need to lighten up. so uptight nobody can talk to u. relax. convince me that confusion of elements, the primordial soup can build sophisticated life. We do not see randomness making anything in science. I would be happy with just one example. u can't force a person to accept something that they think can't happen cause of known laws of chemistry. evolution is founded on something no chemist can duplicate. relax. I Don't read ur stuff cause ur so uptight. it's a drag
@longboardsrule321 I have a degree in Chemistry and life makes perfect sense to me. Maybe you should read a science book and it would make sense to you.
@gregrutz U dishonor ur degree by flunking the explanation concerning the consistency of amino acids with out a membrane by foolishly insisting oxy not around during creation. How would U know? Nobody knows. U base ur whole faith on speculation. Rightly God calls u a fool.
Maybe u should read the Bible and ask God to give u some wisdom so u wouldn't be spiritually dead.
@longboardsrule321 I've read the bible and it's bullcrap. It's nothing more than a fairytail made up of different UNRELIABLE sources. Science is based on facts and PROFE while the bible is only a 2000 pages long storybook. Whant to deffend the bible or creationism? Give me ONE solid argument that either proves that the bible is true or that God excist and I will reply. ONE argument. Can't be too hard can it? ;)
@Rex0142king Daniel 9. Since u read the B. Explain away the 77-7's of years.
Who was the guy that got cut off?
Why was he cut off?
What date came about on the year, and the day that was fortold in this same prophecy.
The last 7 yrs, the tribulation, haven't happened yet.
Alot of people scoff at the Bible without thinking how small we are and the possibilities of our vast universe. Nothing is impossible until proven. Absolutism is not an answer to truth, but a closed mind.
@longboardsrule321 I said that I HAVE read the bible not that I READ it. And yes, nothing is impossible until proven but something that have been proven and disproves the opposite is more logical than the unproven fact. Did you get that? It means that since the age of the earth, origin of spieces (Evolution), laws of physics, relativity etc have been proven and the bible opposes those proved facts the bible is incorrect. Since the oppsite have been proved. Not so difficult to get, right?
@Rex0142king Look King, not so fast. Dan. 9. first. Let's not skip around. Give a logical explanation on this proph. If u can explain it away u will have forced me to examine your evidence, but if u can't then, as a thinking gent, it would be foolish, close minded, not examine the evidence of this specific and like, proph..
@longboardsrule321 I know that I should look into it, I just wanted state what I just said and see if you would read it. Know that know that you have I will look into it ASAP.
@longboardsrule321 Since you haven't answered me yet I'm gonna take the liberty to summarice this conversation. If my theory was correct it means that you're saying that because of something fortold, from an unreliable source of information, really happened afterwards, which comes from the same unreliable source of info, it makes that source true?
I'm sorry, but one source of information cannot prove itself using an argument from it's own source. It's like DIO saying that DIO rule. (He does.)
@Rex0142king please be more specific since I base my whole life on the reliability of scripture. Do u have proof that scripture is unreliable? Please be very specific since this is such a big deal to me and so many people. If u have evidence we certainly want to know.
My experience is many state what u have but cannot provide evidence.
@Rex0142king Alexander the Great, Buddha, Nebuchadnezzar, Jesus, Plato, Graham Bell, Washington, Nixon all are persons out of history. Daniel is documented, taught in universities as these other. The book of Daniel is validated by even the skeptics that explain away the predictions that were given to him. Dan tells us he got sick trying to figure the predictions out, but thank you for making me study harder. I hope I do it with an open mind. Looking forward to your evidence.
@longboardsrule321 Evidence of what? That it's false? Ok, could have just said that.;)
1) Those other people does not have anything in common with Daniel in the subject of his prediction(s) except Jesus and Neb*.
2) They are taught of in universities because of their own belifes, attributes, abilities, intellects, ideals that are inspiring (Buddha, not Jesus) and historical participations.
3) If by Validated you mean confirmed I guess it's on the fact that he "had" them and they weren't true.
@Rex0142king You made a statement about Daniel being unfounded. What evidence do u have to validate your statement as I don't believe u. No disrespect intended.
His prediction hit a certain date and u have evidence to prove that his prediction is invalid? let's hear it.
@longboardsrule321 This is why Pearlists gets so annoyed at creationists. We (with Science) are not the ones who need to disprove you. Since Science is PROVEN FACTS that have evidence to support it Creationists (with God) needs to proove themselves to Science WITH Science and not statements of personal belives.
You are currently using the most childish argument ever made: Disprove the unproven fact that I think is true.
Instead: PROVE THE UNPROVEN FACT TO ME SINCE MY FACTS ARE PROVEN!!!!
@longboardsrule321 I'm gonna get some sleep now since you're not worth wasting anymore time on. Please reply WITH PROFE of God's excistance or that the bible is true, with Science and no predictions, sightings, eyevitnesses or whatever in the bible since that would be "using an unreliable source" since it's the thing you want to prove. If you don't do so in the next message you send me you have lost the debate and I wont respond, since all of my arguments are completely logical and MAKES SENSE!
@longboardsrule321 You wanted me to disprove something unproven and I don't want to waste my time with that. "It's your opinion", no, it's a logical concusion of facts. You just used an argument like Ray Comfort's "You believe in Evolution, then that's a belief.", it's not a simple belief because Evolution have evidence while religion does not.
Since you have failed to bring me profe or even a comment where the purpouse was not me to disprove something, you've lost. I'm not gonna respond now.
Rex, Dan 9: is written before time about a specific date that happened long after Dan died. Proph like that convinced me that Jesus offers what he says he offers. All you need to do to win the argument, bring down the christian church is disprove one prophesy. If u can't u have bigger problems than me. U have some serious explaining to do when you are judged for your sins by a God that gave his beloved son whom u reject.
@longboardsrule321 "U have some serious explaining to do when you are judged for your sins by a God that gave his beloved son whom u reject."
How about: " Dude, you totally made the world look like you werent there, left the only hint a book that was in no way unique and it wasnt possible to tell it apart from other "holy book"s, plus you were described in it as an evil megalomaniac. What is YOUR exuse eh? Mr all powerful. Did you kill all those children in Exodus. DID YOU?"
@Hyeesa What other book has told the future? What other book has a God that forgives the same guys that lied about him and had him killed on the cross?
There is no other book that has a God, Jesus, that heals the sick, and feeds the poor, and knows you, yes you, completely. Knows why you do what you do, and even ur reasons for rejecting him.
Was Jesus a liar, fool, or was he who he said he was?
NO book has fortold the future - not Daniel, not Revelation, none of them.
Jesus healed the sick and fed the multitudes? There's NO proof Jesus even existed!
Was Jebus a liar, a fool? Well, IF he even existed, he was delusional. BTW, there were MANY who claimed to be the "messiah". Even as late as 1648, Sabbatai Zevi claimed to be the messiah and had a following of several thousand European Jews. Learn some history.
@LoopQuantumGravity1 You mean, you hope Jesus didn't exist because he warned of hell for those who reject him.
What University or PhD teaches Jesus was imagination? Name just one.
Jesus did forgave those who put him on the cross and it was prophesied in Psalm 22, Daniel 9 said the Messiah, Jesus, would be cut off. That is prophetic.
A man that would forgive is not delusional. Psychos do not forgive but make up unsubstanciated claims.
@longboardsrules Other than the fact that we have texts, outside of the Bible, supporting the existence of a man named "Jesus" around the first century CE, what proof, outside the Bible, do we have that he was the "Son of God" and that he rose three days after his death?
@HimesInu Isn't it 66 authors, 40 books in the Bible and not one error. Jesus was prophesied to be born in Beth. but called a Nazarene, to ride into Jer. on a certain day, month, year. To be crucified. All facts written before they happened. Undeniable facts from a being with the technology to resurrect even you, but where will you spend eternity?
@longboardsrules There isn't one error because no one can either prove or disprove what happened to individuals from 2000 years ago. And there are errors in the translation; the most well know is the mistranslation is yam suph, which doesn't mean Red Sea but rather reed sea. And you said it yourself. There were sixty-six authors. Guess what, they were all men and they had their own agendas. As for where I'm spending eternity, probably floating around as a mischievious spirit.
@HimesInu There are erroneous translations, the old KJV read in context is without errors. A miracle considering the authors.
Those who teach "reed sea" have not thought, but failed to read the Bible in context. Have you also failed to understand the Egyptians drowned as the sea killed them?
God protected his promise to Abraham and Jesus, the Messiah, died to save from where the dam reside, outer darkness, completely alone, void of all mischif fooling. A place of knowing why and of sorrow
If the King James version of the bible is without errors then why does it not accord in every respect with the oldest extant example of the bible ? The CODEX SIANAITICUS.differs in many respects from the modern bible, one of the more startling differences is the absence of Jesus' Resurrection. Which means that the Bible that was written nearest to the life of Jesus, neglects to mention a resurrection ?
@AsDeadAsDillinger Look dead, there are some lousy versions out there and some r old. U R looking at one that is incomplete, it was written before Jesus, but is prophetic of Jesus. The King James has all the old and the new. The King James stands without errors or find one..
@Terncote Alexander the Great built a causeway to the island city of tyre after the residents fled from the old Tyre. The old city was scraped clean and thrown into the sea to build the road to the island. To this day it is scraped clean, nobody lives there. The prophecy in Amos and Ezk. is true in every detail. Today they use the cities flat area to spread their fishing nets out on. Keep trying. God writes out side of time, He is Spirit.no mass-excileration.
@longboardsrule321 Or a better one. "I dont have to explain anything pal. You are billing me for something i didnt order. - your sons sacrafice - You are blaming me for something i didn't do - original sin. Your followers on earth are a bunch of lunatics, and i wouldnt be caught dead being associaced with them. AND lets not forget that you let the book that was supposed to lead us to you, be written by morons who thinked insects have four legs, bats are birds, the earth is flat. ECT. You Suck!"
@longboardsrule321 Ok, Daniel got answered in his prayer by Gabriel who told him the profecy of the Messiah (Jesus) and that after the 62-sevens he will be cut off (I guess that it referes to his death), and now the last sevens have not yet to come (which will be his second coming, am I right?). So what you're saying is that the profecy of the Messiah (which acourding to the bible was true) is profe and that the second coming of Jesus is near? I did this in 5 minutes, sorry for the rush. :)
@longboardsrule321 God doesn't exist therefore he doesn't "have his hand" out to anyone. For someone so powerful, he has an awful time of showing his people he exists and in which form (which specific religion to be followed) and for someone that used to show himself to Moses and others without a problem, why can't he muster up anything more than his image on a grilled cheese sandwich? Is his power running out?
@Secundinius Absolute is dumb. Nobody can prove God doesn't exist. U haven't been around for a billion yrs nor do u have a grasp on the universe. Maybe he dosen't like U so u don't see him. Others have died rather than say anything bad about his son. Those saw him. Maybe u will go to hell and never see him then I will never see u in heaven. Don't worry about it, U still have few galactic seconds left.
@longboardsrule321 ''Nobody can prove God doesn't exist.'' Like all creationists, your logic is backwards. It is up to the person making the claim to prove it. You can't prove God exists.
@gregrutz The reason u can't prove ur religion is it's a lie, as the Bible calls u a fool, u do. A fool can't prove God nor disprove God. A true Christian proves God by the light u call darkness. God makes prophecy come alive in proof of his word, but a fool will not take the time to research therefore a fool will only see the wrath of God for belittling his children and dishonoring his own sweet son. Be real worried cause u haven't made a lick of sense.
There are structures inside cells that are so complex that they had to have been developed top down, not brick by brick up, they did not 'evolve' they were designed top down.
Microbiology shows that Darwinian Evolution is impossible.
AND THAT IS STATING IT MILDLY.The video link above is what they now teach in colleges, technology evolves fast and so what was true and popular yesterday is outdated info today.
@c1zx oh c'mon guy! the irreducible complexity argument you creationists like to use has been disproven a long time ago. nothing in the entire universe is irreducible complex.
@smettto LOL, disproven, like it's a theory or something. It's a fact, self evident. Like the sky is blue. I'm not a creationist by the way. Anyone who observes Irreducible complexity, and doesn't understand the significance, is simply incapable of grasping ideas outside of their rigid belief system. That certainly doesn't make Irreducible complexity anyless awesome.
@c1zx no it's not dude. that's why your comment got flagged as spam only a few hours after you posted it lol. because it's bs made up by creationist trying to discredit evolution. in which they fail because evolution is a proven fact. like it or not.
@smettto And like flagging something as spam is ... important? Believe it or not, I'm having kewl conversations about evolution and intelligent design with other people and I'm really jazzed about all this. I had no idea there was all this controversy. I admit I was totally naive! This is really fantastic reading all these interesting arguments from both pro evolution and pro intelligent design web sites. Science at it's best!
@c1zx yeah... and the difference between both sides is that the belief of evolutionist is based on scientificly proven facts, and the belief of creationist is based on stories told by people who lived thousands of years ago and had little or no knowledge about anything.
@rickster348 if you mean the origin of life or the origin of the universe then no, they are not proven facts. but evolution is. and just because we don't know certain things about life and the universe, doesn't mean you have to fill in the gaps with a diety, because there is no reason to think such a thing exists.
@smettto name one proven fact. Imagine complexity such as a computer program coming from randomness, one printed sentence coming from accident. U have been lied too by eggheads publishing 4 money and grants. Complex chemicals break down in an oxy atmosphere. Proof? What happens to dead organisims?
@gregrutz You assume I do not read? Would one of understanding judge on assumption? 2ndly do U believe everything U read? Has world science changed and had to rethink over the years?
Lets put away tit for tat and have U explain to me in your own understanding how life became without the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide? That is a fair question to one who pruports to have an understanding of chemical exchanges in regards to abiogenisis.
@longboardsrule321 Microbial mats of coexisting bacteria and archaea were the dominant form of life in the early Archean and many of the major steps in early evolution are thought to have taken place within them.[2] The evolution of oxygenic photosynthesis, around 3,500 million years ago, eventually led to the oxygenation of the atmosphere, beginning around 2,400 million years ago.[3]
@gregrutz Now try putting that in your own words or in words for the layman. Try explaining it like U would a school child. U say ur concerned about em. Don't forget the billions of years, because without billions of years, confusion assembling biomechanics looks as stupid as software writing it's self. This shouldn't be to hard for a caring, concerned, science reader like U.
Your good reading assumes without any facts, ignores science, makes up facts to support a useless lyers pay ck.
@gregrutz God could have used evolu.2 create as a few Christians believe, but do U really think that would let U off the hook for ur sins? Imagine hell for ever. The reason I can't accept your faith is it defies science, human history, is built on the premise that chaos can originate 250 different complex proteins to produce a replicating organism, not to mention the gigabyte of info needed. Hawkins is making millions with followers like U buying his, completely, made up ideas.
@smettto You have a corner on religion. All the information in your DNA just happened, random chance through inert elements started to move, but the biggest is volumes of digital, yes that's right, digital info in micro form blue printing life just happened? Isn't that ur religion and who teaches U that stuff? Is it not egg heads that get paid every time they make something up? Even they know there is no chance. Why do U think they are so vehment when someone threatens their faith?
@gregrutz Ur not taking my word for proof are U? Let me help U. Information without an author, design from randomness, assuming theories from imagination, lead to personnal caos and self destruction. U need help with ur spiritual life, to proud to say, or u know He who designed U.
Since it's not the latter why r u, an evolutionary animal, caring at all? U eat, laugh for a season, feel bad, and then die. What is the point? Caos, U have proven that in ur life. Why nt give design a chance?
@longboardsrule321 What design? Snowflakes are designed or did the laws of nature make them that way? What has more information, a big wolf or a small wolf?
Calling god an Int. Desinger so you can teach your version of creationism in schools is not a valid theory.
@gregrutz Snowflakes are inert molecues of the same except for the dirt nucleus. That was stupid.
Big wolf small wolf each have the same complexity of DNA, bad material, senseless
Teaching a non poveable theory, which defies the laws of entropy, has out right lies (need some examples), defies common sense, teaches children to have no morals but animal behavior is ur example? Prove away the prophecies or find a lie in scripture and U won't be a strawman ready for the fire.
@longboardsrule321 DNA is an ''inert molecue''. The last time I went to college evolution was taught because it was proven. A gyroscope defies common sense, so does the theory of relitivity. The 2nd Law applies to a closed system, you are not a closed system.
@gregrutz DNA is far from inert in the context we are debating. Darwin could have gotten away with DNA inaptitude but U can't. Today we are taught DNA of a single cell has more digital, error correcting info than the space shuttle. U embrace the impossible & call it fact. U assume your college professor happened by chance, that he received his degree from randomness, that u are typing with hands that were symmetrically formed by magic. U call that proof?
@gregrutz I said ur hands were designed but U say ur hands, somehow appeared. Yes you can quote 1 in a trillion, trillion chance ideas how our cellular information appeared but those ideas are not fact with impossible odds. U grasp the unprovable or you would quote proof but U can't. I asked you to give me just one fact that justifies ur position and you can't, but keep repeating the false mantra, evolution is fact. Now you are shifting to scorn as your faith comes up empty.
@longboardsrule321 Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
@gregrutz Lets take ur 1st. & show U that u have no facts except: Fossils in them selves prove they were covered quickly or would break down to non complex elements or dust in an oxy environment. There is no geological col but only supposed. There is not one trasitiaonal species yet darwin said there would be thousands. Dar was wrong. Your point concerning fossils is what? What proof can u teach me with fossils?
@gregrutz Every been out of the city? Dead animals are scavenged their bones are dragged off as their stench attracts predators, the rest of their dead body attacked by worms and bacteria. No flesh remains. There are millions of fossils found at different depths, globally, their flesh imprinted in the rock. Time, moisture, air destroy dead things, yet there are millions of intact fossils over earths surface. R U smart? Solve the mystery if ur nt brainwashed.
@gregrutz U sure minerals do not permeate the flesh to fossilize in wet ground through osmosis? I agree, buried fos. r hard to find, but the few we find are all over the world. I say billions of large animals still hidden in the earth. How can a large animal die and it's bones not scattered as sediment slowly buries them over a long period of time? (over 2-400yrs i'd say) Why are fos. imbedded in limestone? This is an ancient phenomenon that is not currently repeated. Have an answere?
@gregrutz Once the great men of science thought the world was flat. Even after their theory was dashed they still taught flat e. in higher learning. The eggheads finally backed down after no one would buy their propaganda, they fell from prominence. The struggle for them was herific as they sought to invent theroies as to what supported their flat earth. There ideas had no comon sense, but the reterning sailors, merchants were open minded enough to venture out into the real world.
@gregrutz Wasn't it the catholic church that pressured Galileo/Newton to keep their mouth closed? We respect Galileo and Newton, but weren't they men who loved Jesus?
Did Jesus every order anybody to do anything? Some religions do.
My point was current world view is sophisticated order from chaos, the order of life from elemental randomness with a record of experimental failure. Who can believe evolu. when we see order moving towards randomness? Chaos 2 order found only in text books.
@gregrutz Einstein talks about order that came from ur Big Bang or was he eluding to ur idea of elem.arranging themselves to function as life. U need to postulate mills of years, but it's the same idea of chaotic elements mixed to finally come up with life. Complex elements of life are bombarded, always break down without a membrane. Isn't the second law of thermody. state order moves 2 chaos? Amino Acids need the protection of life to stay consistent. Once dead amino a. turns to dust.
@gregrutz did i say that. sorry. but the amino acids all in one place at the same time quickly disintegrate in an animal that dies. u see they are all there in the living creature that drops over. Oxygen gets to the acids and puff they turn to dust in a little while. u postulate they assemble themselves into life but my info is they disintegrate. U get ur info out of other people's ideas, I get this particular info out of common sense.
@gregrutz did i say that? sorry. Amino acids all in one place at the same time quickly disintegrate in an animal that dies. u see they are all there in the living creature that drops over. Oxygen gets to the acids and puff, they turn to dust in a little while. u postulate they assemble themselves into life, but my info is they disintegrate. U get ur info out of other people's ideas, I get this particular info out of common sense and observable science.
@gregrutz No ur just reapeating yourself now. I challenged u to address elements, on their own, making order and u come up with a snowflake. That's ur best attempt? Then when u cannot think of anything else u say idiot. Idiots base their faith on idles. urs is believing ur a beast & ur decendent slime. Very soon u will no there is a God and his son whom u scoff at. U will see who made the mistake.
Heavy things fall faster? No, ur falling fast enough.
@longboardsrule321 a snowflake is a crystel, a highly ordered structure. It makes itself with no help of a god. Watch the video you are spamming, IDiot.
@gregrutz lots of scientists say that except those who themselves have sophisticated ideas about bending the laws of chemestry and imagine how it could happen. Show me one example of anything assembaling it's self without someone doing it. Maybe U could show my room how to clean it's self up or my kid to turn out right without input of positive energy. What is primordial soup but elements in a confused state compared with what U think they make by themselves.
“In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.” Albert Einstein
Albert could see the insignificance of man, complexity of creation by design.
World views evolve, complexity of life by chance is unreasonable, faith based. Both sides sell millions in propaganda. They write papers, seek fame & lie for $.
@longboardsrule321 the "life is to complex to come about by chance so it had to be created by a deity" argument shoots itself in the foot because a deity is much more complex and also had to come about in some way or another.
@smettto U R 1/2 correct. Your argument is non effectual in the end as U assume we all know the end, and what the hell were talking about. Let me ask U if U know our small, insignificant, planetary knowledge of the cosmos is complete. U say "don't be an idiot, of course not". R ur comments based on a complete knowledge base? U say, "gee wiz no". So ur absolute deity comment errors. Absolutism can only come when U can't learn nothin, like God. God is outside of time, is spirit. No beginnging.
@longboardsrule321 oh c'mon guy. you religulous people make up the craziest stuff to make your little fairy tale work. it's rediculous. you don't even know there is a god, yet you claim to know all about him. that's just arrogant.
@smettto U have the corner on religion. Imagine urs, info in your DNA just happened, your brain popped into being by mutations, random chance through inert elements started to move, but the biggest is volumes of micro digitall info in blue printing life that just happened? Isn't that ur religion and who teaches U that stuff? Is it not egg heads that get paid every time they publish? Even they know there is no chance. Why do U think they are so vehment when someone threatens their relig?
you know what makes no sense? having a creationist vs evolution debate to begin with. there are hundreds of more important things to do. people have the right to believe what they want and spout it about. if others are swayed by it so be it. if you say its of great importance for the education system thats bullshit. that system is all about indoctrination and has nothing to do with actual thought. start teaching yourself. thats where real the real way to learn is found.
I remember reading 'creationism pamphlets' as a teenager... and thinking... this isn't current science... or this mysterious question can be answered.... or how can you equate this 'belief' with actual fact? Why do these folks go to extreme lengths to argue on a subject that frankly has been verified and is as solid as atomic theory or cellular theory or the periodic table? I find when you get them 1 on 1; these folks yell louder or 'I will have to read up on that.' response.
@granddad2002 World views change, flat earth, bleed patient, light is instantanious.
Science is always learning and evolving.
Currently the world view on abiogenesis is dead matter came alive.
Creationists believe design cannot come from randomness.
Aside from what people sell us, making allot of money doing it, its what you believe that defines U. Both sides lie and try to win arguments. If we are still around in 11yrs. Science will come up with something new?
Slartibartfast is GOD! Richard Vernon and Richard Griffiths I can live with, if you are on about Bill Nighy however, you've blown it, the IDC'ers are more convincing LOL
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
@longboardrules
And before you go saying that the mainland was Old Tyre, it was not called that, it was called Ushu and the island was called Tyre.
Nebuchadnezzar never conquered Tyre, as was prophesied. Not he nor Alexander nor anybody ever destroyed Tyre. If you think this is bullshit, go to Tyre and tell anyone there that they live on a barren rock.
Bring a bag to put your ass in for the trip home.
Terncote 5 months ago
@longboardrules "The old city was scraped clean and thrown into the sea to build the road to the island. To this day it is scraped clean, nobody lives there."
You have your history wrong, kiddo.
Bzzzzzt! Tyre has been continuously inhabited for about 4700 years. It has never been "scraped into the sea". The prophesy is about the island not the mainland BUT guess what?!? The mainland portion is indeed inhabited anyway. Try google earth before you stick your sandal in your mouth again.
Terncote 5 months ago
brainwashed? u postulate the impossibility of life without oxygen, DNA came from chaos, the material for the big bang just appeared, and ur ancestor was a monkey.
Darwin never came up with a trans species nor can U. His dead corpse enshrined.
Genetic adaption and reversion not valid, archaeopteryx, nt impressed. U try to escape death & judgment by faith in man who killed the son of God & nukes himself. Tonight remem God has his hand out to u, cares about u, & u slap it away.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Where do you get your information, your pastor? The first life did not use Oxygen, it made the Oxygen we breath. DNA comes from evolution, not chaos. You are still a primate.
Darwin's Ideas were accepted 150 years ago, mostly due to Archaeopteryx, which is a transitional fossil, something creationist demand but then deny.
God sent his son and we killed him so he forgave us our sins. That makes sense, not.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz
My primitive mind differs from ur primitive mind in that I see ur theory built upon the idea that random elements or chaotic elements do the impossible which is to arrange themselves in bridge order, manufacture by themselves, self repairing, self replicating life. We build stuff that think, talk, move. Imagine something being built with no intelligence or design. It doesn't happen only in fairy tales or show me an example, show ur self.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
Read- "A spacecraft has tasted oxygen in the atmosphere of another world for the first time while flying low over Saturn's icy moon, Rhea"
U sure oxy came first or r u parroting another who taught u what to say? Absolutism, is that what U like? I feel so primitive crossing blades with someone who knows everything. Animal life on Rhea, imagine that. Evolution is an idea adhering to chaotic elements becoming life. like a whirlwind in a junkyard assembling a computer.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 The problem with reading is, you need to finish reading everything, even after you find what you think is evidence in your favor... "Instruments aboard Cassini revealed an extremely thin oxygen and carbon dioxide atmosphere that is sustained by high-energy particles slamming into the moon's surface and kicking up atoms, molecules and ions."
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 "Astronomers have counted 62 moons orbiting Saturn. At 1500km wide, Rhea is the second largest and is thought to be made almost entirely of ice."
Ice - frozen water
Water - H2O
H2O - two hydrogen atoms and one... wait for it... wait for it... wait for it...
OXYGEN ATOM
Break apart one molecule of water you get two parts hydrogen and one part OXYGEN. This would explain the "extremely thin oxygen and carbon dioxide atmosphere" That you wish to use as proof of something.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Next step. Understanding that without an OZONE LAYER, NO GASES AT ALL would stay in our atmosphere. So. If there was oxygen on Earth before our ozone was formed, it most likely "floated off into space." We have good reason to believe that the Earth's atmosphere was highly carbon dioxide, we have grounds to believe that foliage formed first because it thrives on carbon dioxide and emits the life-giving oxygen that gave rise to the rest of life on Earth. Go back to school...
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 A Snowflake, designed by the forces of nature. Or all life that evolved.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz U got me, kind of. Complex, 3d design comes from the nature of crystals as molecules loosly join themselves. They do not build elemental complexity as they are of the same stuff. Rain droplets can build rainbows as they align in harmony but are not complex even though depending on each for the bow. Electricity performs a function as electrons are used in alignment but in themselves are not complex, magnetized iron the same butl non complex like the snowflake. How was that?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 No one EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said the material for the big bang "just appeared." Again, YOUR FAIRY TALE claims that god made everything FROM NOTHING. The big bang theory postulates that EVERYTHING ALWAYS EXISTED IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. If you refuse to educate yourself on the matter it's quite important for you to stop talking about it, lest you wish to continue showing the world how completely retarded and brainwashed you are.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius copied frm internet.
As to where the materials came from, before there were materials (in other words atoms and molecules), there were subatomic particles. And before there were subatomic particles, there was pure energy. We know we can convert energy into matter and back again - the only requirement being that it is done in accordance with the laws of conservation.
One hypoth, energy came from a false vacuum that formed by of a random quantum fluctuation.
Do ur own search.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@Secundinius frm internet.
"One of the hardest things to comprehend and reconcile in cosmology is the 'free lunch' factor - how it comes to pass that the universe can get something for nothing; how it can go from not existing, to existing; how matter or energy can come into being from it's former non-existing state."
*Hey, they don't know! How can they, but speculate? The laws of entopy state that everything, including light is slowing down until energy is null. What lasts forever?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321//... Secundinius....... If everything is diminishing, even the speed of light, what of the electons orbiting the proton. If the atom/matter is shrinking how can we know?
Like u said, troll, we are slithering over the sidewalk of the universe waiting for a galactic happening, riding a skateboard. Maybe DR Suze had it right our world is a floating particle. Why do u care? U have no soul, U just a biolgical accident? A hanging bag of elelments with cancer that formed a brain.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Yep. That's me. A biological accident. And a "troll" to boot. That's classic coming from the asshat who quotes stuff from the internet without understanding what any of it means while trying in vain to use it as proof of god. Funny how the people with the degrees who've actually studied this stuff (I've studied it as well, I just don't hold a degree in it) all agree, but you and every other creotard on the interwebz knows more, as fact, than they do...
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Light is not slowing down, dummy. The universe could have always been here, just smaller. Quantum Theory lets matter appear and disappear all the time.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz How do u know light is nt slowing down? Read Lambert T Dolphin. Imagine that, debating a dummy. I always thought we had a lot to learn and anything is possible if not proven impossible. Realize what u do, Greg. U base ur assumptions on theory. Q theory is a theory. Theories have opponents and proponents but are nt fact until proven. U r starting to do what all evolutionists do, evolve to scorn when faced with "chaos making life" without intelligent input and manipulation.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 ''How do u know light is nt slowing down?'' THEY MEASURE IT DIP SHIT.
No wonder people are calling you names, dummy.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Why don't u do a little research to see what science is saying about the speed of ions before u show more ignorance. In ur spirit, Jesus is light and u r in utter darkness. U have no light in ur life, no fruit, and u waste the time u have left on ur self. How about that, the Bible calls u a fool, deal with it as u live it. ur statements, name calling prove just who is in charge.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Well I am sure not going to read a book that calls me fool. And says there was a flood.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Idiot... You don't understand the laws of entropy so stop trying to use them for your argument for god... In a CLOSED SYSTEM. One where NO ENERGY COMES INTO THE SYSTEM. Nice try with the strawman, but that fucker burned a long time ago.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius Sorry, I don't read uptight people, but tell them name calling, scorn, is the measure of a weak mind. Happy to talk to U when u r rational.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Your failure to read and comprehend doesn't equate to things not being true. The trouble with facts are, even if you don't believe there are true, they are still facts. Your beliefs have no impact on their factuality. Now, if you had actually read my posts, which I am not surprised someone as intellectually dishonest as you wouldn't do anyway, you would have been able to figure out that the egg was a metaphor for all the matter and your hands the pressure of the black hole.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 The theory goes: All black holes suck in matter around them and eventually will attract each other becoming a singular entity; a single black hole. ALL of the matter will be within this ONE black hole. The pressure started building when they were multiple black holes and compounded once they all combined. Theory further states that eventually the pressure will become so much that matter will have no choice other than to expand and this is what causes "big bangs."
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 It has been postulated that the universe is in an incessant state of ebb and flow. That all matter always existed and it gets contracted into singularities (the single black hole mentioned prior) and from there expands (the big bang) and dies (stars going super nova and collapsing). We KNOW that a lot of the heavy elements we find on earth cannot have formed from the explosion of a "normal" sun, but only under the conditions of a supernova.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Failure to understand any of this information does not render it invalid nor does it make the "God dun eet!" excuse valid. Furthermore, you are posing an argument from ignorance. There is no reason to "disprove god" because god hasn't been proven and by definition cannot be proven by science. Science (or any LOGICAL person) would not waste their time "disproving" god because that is a pointless venture. The burden of proof lies in the hand of those making the positive claim.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 You know what a black hole is? It captures everything, including light. Nothing, NOTHING, can escape a black hole. It is so dense it's gravitational pull sucks up everything, including light. Now, take a hard boiled egg. Place it in your palm and squeeze. Put more and more and more and more pressure. Eventually the egg will find a weak spot and explode outward. This is the same concept of a black hole.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius Cool, no name calling. Black holes saw one in a Disney film, liked it. A reasonable theory that could be fact. A gravity well where even ions are pulled in. Where natural laws of physics are turned inside out. Where even doors to other dimentions might be waiting. Eggs are cool. What is ur point?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 You get your facts from Disney movies !?! That explains everthing, I just thought you were just home schooled.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Actually u learn alot reading scifi. much of scifi of yesterday has come to fruition today.
Wouldn't u say reading new ideas keep a mind open? U seem 2 like reading about someone's ideas, don't U?
Fiction is just ideas. Ideas based on science is scifi. Scifi called fact, are ideas based on presumption. Presumption called fact endorses lying. When is lying good? It's not right to call a theory fact unless proven. Keep's the kids frm truth. Closes minds. lying is never good.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Nothing "lasts forever." Not in the sense you want us to believe. If you had half a clue, you'd be dangerous. Now, you wanna talk speculation? Speculation: God made everything. How can you KNOW there is a god let along that he created everything? We can test scientific theories. We cannot teat this "god" theory because god, admittedly, is "outside the bounds of science" and therefore "is not testable."
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius More sorn? sorry dont read it. This is getting boring. U need to relax.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Okay, don't read it. While you're at it, quit talking altogether. You come on here, on a PUBLIC FORUM and start talking all sorts of incessant childish nonsense and when you get corrected and called out for being a buffoon, you get your panties in a bunch and start crying. You have shown time and time again that you refuse to listen to what others are explaining to you and you refuse to learn about this on your own, so shut up.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 If you can't be honest enough with yourself to actually learn about it or honest enough with us and say you are an uneducated fool and you don't understand what we are saying, you are wasting everyones time and need to shut up already. Again, your ignorance and unwillingness to learn doesn't negate any facts. I will state there is no god because no one has proved god. I was a Roman Catholic for 22 years including the 2 years I SEARCHED FOR GOD before leaving religion for good.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 The problem with copying from the internet: Sure, you sound smart, but it means nothing if you don't understand what all those big and scientific sounding words actually mean. When you copy from the internet and you are not willing to learn and to understand the things you copy and paste, yet you still believe you have "won" a debate, you lose.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius You assume. Let's talk fact. We have different ideologies, we both reject in each other. Now u saying I can't bring up another source? U reject my analysis that matter cannot assemble self without someone's effort. U say random elements in confusion or a primordial soup can pop out life. I say, show me anything random making anything that can move. Ideas are fine and u can assume they are fact but don't belittle someone who is asking for proof as were not all honest.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Okay, normally I don't do this (anymore) but you deserve it. You are a fucking moron. Claiming that there is no proof doesn't make proof go away. Claiming that no chemist has ever been able to "recreate" abiogenesis, doesn't make all the experiments that HAVE DONE SO go away. You don't care about facts nor do you care about the evidence supporting them so stop acting like you do. You have been presented fact after fact after fact. You just refuse to accept any of them.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 "Where the materials came from." Who says they had to come from somewhere? Who says they have to have a defined starting point? Because your mind is too shallow to understand that 1) there may be things we can never completely explain and 2) all the matter in the universe could have just always been there. The universe is so much bigger than this pale blue dot. Regardless, your "explanation" holds no merit.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius Talking to u is like trying to reason with a little kid who is punching u. u don't hurt but it is a drag and boring listening to downer talk. tell u what. Think about scorn and putting people down that don't believe like u and write me in a couple of days if u want. I'm looking for thoughtful, intelligent, humble, honest conversation. Boring is someone calling ideas fact which = assumption. assuming is dishonest, proud, but proud of what?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 You had that already. You don't want facts. You refuse to accept them and you refuse to learn them on your own. Stop lying to everyone here claiming you want fact. SCIENCE IS BASED ON FACTS not ridiculous beliefs written by men who didn't know the first thing about the first thing. ASSUMING that god is a fact is dishonest. We can OBSERVE black holes. We can OBSERVE the universe. We CANNOT OBSERVE "god." Who's assuming?
Secundinius 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 We can SHOW our ancestor to be a GREAT APE (not a monkey as Kent Hovind would have you believe). Saying something is not valid doesn't MAKE it invalid. Your outright refusal to comprehend or learn anything past the nonsense you believe and your willingness to blatantly ignore everything science can prove doesn't change anything by any amount. The problem with facts, even when you claim they are false, they are still facts and therefore still true.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius U need to lighten up. so uptight nobody can talk to u. relax. convince me that confusion of elements, the primordial soup can build sophisticated life. We do not see randomness making anything in science. I would be happy with just one example. u can't force a person to accept something that they think can't happen cause of known laws of chemistry. evolution is founded on something no chemist can duplicate. relax. I Don't read ur stuff cause ur so uptight. it's a drag
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 I have a degree in Chemistry and life makes perfect sense to me. Maybe you should read a science book and it would make sense to you.
How does God make every snow flake perfect?
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz U dishonor ur degree by flunking the explanation concerning the consistency of amino acids with out a membrane by foolishly insisting oxy not around during creation. How would U know? Nobody knows. U base ur whole faith on speculation. Rightly God calls u a fool.
Maybe u should read the Bible and ask God to give u some wisdom so u wouldn't be spiritually dead.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Here is the point. the thing the creationists don't get. ==>> Scientists do know.
Watch thunderf00t's other videos ... Why do people laugh at ceationists.
You can't prove them wrong if you don't look at the evidence.
gregrutz 11 months ago
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@longboardsrule321 Have you read the bible?
zpgJiggleBilly 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 I've read the bible and it's bullcrap. It's nothing more than a fairytail made up of different UNRELIABLE sources. Science is based on facts and PROFE while the bible is only a 2000 pages long storybook. Whant to deffend the bible or creationism? Give me ONE solid argument that either proves that the bible is true or that God excist and I will reply. ONE argument. Can't be too hard can it? ;)
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king Daniel 9. Since u read the B. Explain away the 77-7's of years.
Who was the guy that got cut off?
Why was he cut off?
What date came about on the year, and the day that was fortold in this same prophecy.
The last 7 yrs, the tribulation, haven't happened yet.
Alot of people scoff at the Bible without thinking how small we are and the possibilities of our vast universe. Nothing is impossible until proven. Absolutism is not an answer to truth, but a closed mind.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 I said that I HAVE read the bible not that I READ it. And yes, nothing is impossible until proven but something that have been proven and disproves the opposite is more logical than the unproven fact. Did you get that? It means that since the age of the earth, origin of spieces (Evolution), laws of physics, relativity etc have been proven and the bible opposes those proved facts the bible is incorrect. Since the oppsite have been proved. Not so difficult to get, right?
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king Look King, not so fast. Dan. 9. first. Let's not skip around. Give a logical explanation on this proph. If u can explain it away u will have forced me to examine your evidence, but if u can't then, as a thinking gent, it would be foolish, close minded, not examine the evidence of this specific and like, proph..
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 I know that I should look into it, I just wanted state what I just said and see if you would read it. Know that know that you have I will look into it ASAP.
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king I read what u wrote but cannot coment out of order. After all it was U that asked me first. Please respond to Dan 9.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Allright. :)
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Since you haven't answered me yet I'm gonna take the liberty to summarice this conversation. If my theory was correct it means that you're saying that because of something fortold, from an unreliable source of information, really happened afterwards, which comes from the same unreliable source of info, it makes that source true?
I'm sorry, but one source of information cannot prove itself using an argument from it's own source. It's like DIO saying that DIO rule. (He does.)
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king please be more specific since I base my whole life on the reliability of scripture. Do u have proof that scripture is unreliable? Please be very specific since this is such a big deal to me and so many people. If u have evidence we certainly want to know.
My experience is many state what u have but cannot provide evidence.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@Rex0142king Alexander the Great, Buddha, Nebuchadnezzar, Jesus, Plato, Graham Bell, Washington, Nixon all are persons out of history. Daniel is documented, taught in universities as these other. The book of Daniel is validated by even the skeptics that explain away the predictions that were given to him. Dan tells us he got sick trying to figure the predictions out, but thank you for making me study harder. I hope I do it with an open mind. Looking forward to your evidence.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Evidence of what? That it's false? Ok, could have just said that.;)
1) Those other people does not have anything in common with Daniel in the subject of his prediction(s) except Jesus and Neb*.
2) They are taught of in universities because of their own belifes, attributes, abilities, intellects, ideals that are inspiring (Buddha, not Jesus) and historical participations.
3) If by Validated you mean confirmed I guess it's on the fact that he "had" them and they weren't true.
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king You made a statement about Daniel being unfounded. What evidence do u have to validate your statement as I don't believe u. No disrespect intended.
His prediction hit a certain date and u have evidence to prove that his prediction is invalid? let's hear it.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 This is why Pearlists gets so annoyed at creationists. We (with Science) are not the ones who need to disprove you. Since Science is PROVEN FACTS that have evidence to support it Creationists (with God) needs to proove themselves to Science WITH Science and not statements of personal belives.
You are currently using the most childish argument ever made: Disprove the unproven fact that I think is true.
Instead: PROVE THE UNPROVEN FACT TO ME SINCE MY FACTS ARE PROVEN!!!!
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king So u really don't have any evidence? So there are no facts u have to counter Daniel?
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 I'm gonna get some sleep now since you're not worth wasting anymore time on. Please reply WITH PROFE of God's excistance or that the bible is true, with Science and no predictions, sightings, eyevitnesses or whatever in the bible since that would be "using an unreliable source" since it's the thing you want to prove. If you don't do so in the next message you send me you have lost the debate and I wont respond, since all of my arguments are completely logical and MAKES SENSE!
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@Rex0142king Like i said u cannot offer anything to discredit Dan except u think. So u have an opinion.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 You wanted me to disprove something unproven and I don't want to waste my time with that. "It's your opinion", no, it's a logical concusion of facts. You just used an argument like Ray Comfort's "You believe in Evolution, then that's a belief.", it's not a simple belief because Evolution have evidence while religion does not.
Since you have failed to bring me profe or even a comment where the purpouse was not me to disprove something, you've lost. I'm not gonna respond now.
Rex0142king 10 months ago
Rex, Dan 9: is written before time about a specific date that happened long after Dan died. Proph like that convinced me that Jesus offers what he says he offers. All you need to do to win the argument, bring down the christian church is disprove one prophesy. If u can't u have bigger problems than me. U have some serious explaining to do when you are judged for your sins by a God that gave his beloved son whom u reject.
longboardsrule321 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 "U have some serious explaining to do when you are judged for your sins by a God that gave his beloved son whom u reject."
How about: " Dude, you totally made the world look like you werent there, left the only hint a book that was in no way unique and it wasnt possible to tell it apart from other "holy book"s, plus you were described in it as an evil megalomaniac. What is YOUR exuse eh? Mr all powerful. Did you kill all those children in Exodus. DID YOU?"
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@Hyeesa What other book has told the future? What other book has a God that forgives the same guys that lied about him and had him killed on the cross?
There is no other book that has a God, Jesus, that heals the sick, and feeds the poor, and knows you, yes you, completely. Knows why you do what you do, and even ur reasons for rejecting him.
Was Jesus a liar, fool, or was he who he said he was?
longboardsrule321 7 months ago
NO book has fortold the future - not Daniel, not Revelation, none of them.
Jesus healed the sick and fed the multitudes? There's NO proof Jesus even existed!
Was Jebus a liar, a fool? Well, IF he even existed, he was delusional. BTW, there were MANY who claimed to be the "messiah". Even as late as 1648, Sabbatai Zevi claimed to be the messiah and had a following of several thousand European Jews. Learn some history.
LoopQuantumGravity1 7 months ago
@LoopQuantumGravity1
longboardsrules 7 months ago
@LoopQuantumGravity1 You mean, you hope Jesus didn't exist because he warned of hell for those who reject him.
What University or PhD teaches Jesus was imagination? Name just one.
Jesus did forgave those who put him on the cross and it was prophesied in Psalm 22, Daniel 9 said the Messiah, Jesus, would be cut off. That is prophetic.
A man that would forgive is not delusional. Psychos do not forgive but make up unsubstanciated claims.
longboardsrules 7 months ago
@longboardsrules Other than the fact that we have texts, outside of the Bible, supporting the existence of a man named "Jesus" around the first century CE, what proof, outside the Bible, do we have that he was the "Son of God" and that he rose three days after his death?
HimesInu 7 months ago
@HimesInu Isn't it 66 authors, 40 books in the Bible and not one error. Jesus was prophesied to be born in Beth. but called a Nazarene, to ride into Jer. on a certain day, month, year. To be crucified. All facts written before they happened. Undeniable facts from a being with the technology to resurrect even you, but where will you spend eternity?
longboardsrules 7 months ago
@longboardsrules There isn't one error because no one can either prove or disprove what happened to individuals from 2000 years ago. And there are errors in the translation; the most well know is the mistranslation is yam suph, which doesn't mean Red Sea but rather reed sea. And you said it yourself. There were sixty-six authors. Guess what, they were all men and they had their own agendas. As for where I'm spending eternity, probably floating around as a mischievious spirit.
HimesInu 7 months ago
@HimesInu There are erroneous translations, the old KJV read in context is without errors. A miracle considering the authors.
Those who teach "reed sea" have not thought, but failed to read the Bible in context. Have you also failed to understand the Egyptians drowned as the sea killed them?
God protected his promise to Abraham and Jesus, the Messiah, died to save from where the dam reside, outer darkness, completely alone, void of all mischif fooling. A place of knowing why and of sorrow
longboardsrules 7 months ago
@longboardsrules
If the King James version of the bible is without errors then why does it not accord in every respect with the oldest extant example of the bible ? The CODEX SIANAITICUS.differs in many respects from the modern bible, one of the more startling differences is the absence of Jesus' Resurrection. Which means that the Bible that was written nearest to the life of Jesus, neglects to mention a resurrection ?
That's quite an omission don't you think ?
Without errors ? I doubt it
AsDeadAsDillinger 5 months ago
@AsDeadAsDillinger Look dead, there are some lousy versions out there and some r old. U R looking at one that is incomplete, it was written before Jesus, but is prophetic of Jesus. The King James has all the old and the new. The King James stands without errors or find one..
longboardsrules 5 months ago
@longboardsrules "The King James stands without errors or find one.."
The Tyre Prophesy.
Now stop bothering the grown ups.
Terncote 5 months ago
@Terncote Alexander the Great built a causeway to the island city of tyre after the residents fled from the old Tyre. The old city was scraped clean and thrown into the sea to build the road to the island. To this day it is scraped clean, nobody lives there. The prophecy in Amos and Ezk. is true in every detail. Today they use the cities flat area to spread their fishing nets out on. Keep trying. God writes out side of time, He is Spirit.no mass-excileration.
longboardsrules 5 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Or a better one. "I dont have to explain anything pal. You are billing me for something i didnt order. - your sons sacrafice - You are blaming me for something i didn't do - original sin. Your followers on earth are a bunch of lunatics, and i wouldnt be caught dead being associaced with them. AND lets not forget that you let the book that was supposed to lead us to you, be written by morons who thinked insects have four legs, bats are birds, the earth is flat. ECT. You Suck!"
Hyeesa 7 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Ok, Daniel got answered in his prayer by Gabriel who told him the profecy of the Messiah (Jesus) and that after the 62-sevens he will be cut off (I guess that it referes to his death), and now the last sevens have not yet to come (which will be his second coming, am I right?). So what you're saying is that the profecy of the Messiah (which acourding to the bible was true) is profe and that the second coming of Jesus is near? I did this in 5 minutes, sorry for the rush. :)
Rex0142king 10 months ago
@longboardsrule321 God doesn't exist therefore he doesn't "have his hand" out to anyone. For someone so powerful, he has an awful time of showing his people he exists and in which form (which specific religion to be followed) and for someone that used to show himself to Moses and others without a problem, why can't he muster up anything more than his image on a grilled cheese sandwich? Is his power running out?
Secundinius 11 months ago
@Secundinius Absolute is dumb. Nobody can prove God doesn't exist. U haven't been around for a billion yrs nor do u have a grasp on the universe. Maybe he dosen't like U so u don't see him. Others have died rather than say anything bad about his son. Those saw him. Maybe u will go to hell and never see him then I will never see u in heaven. Don't worry about it, U still have few galactic seconds left.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 ''Nobody can prove God doesn't exist.'' Like all creationists, your logic is backwards. It is up to the person making the claim to prove it. You can't prove God exists.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz *cheer*
Secundinius 11 months ago
@gregrutz The reason u can't prove ur religion is it's a lie, as the Bible calls u a fool, u do. A fool can't prove God nor disprove God. A true Christian proves God by the light u call darkness. God makes prophecy come alive in proof of his word, but a fool will not take the time to research therefore a fool will only see the wrath of God for belittling his children and dishonoring his own sweet son. Be real worried cause u haven't made a lick of sense.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
Aron knows his shit !
gregrutz 11 months ago
AronRa has 40,000 + now :)
roadkill1001 1 year ago
pfff some unseen force. Gimme a break.
Magnumscoffeefreek 1 year ago
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wow... check out phantasmagoricaluser.blogspot.com
snowleopard2539 1 year ago
AronRa deserves all the props he gets.
ChollieD 1 year ago
Sorry for using the arrows, I'm just too used to telling stories like this!
>Go to any creationist/ateist video
>Quick glance at comments, all reply mode, too long
>Watch video
>Take closer look at the comments
>They ALL reply to one person
>*takes deep breath* Oh boy.....
SonarWavePulse 1 year ago
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watch?v=q1iCjKWzeEE&feature=related
Irreducible complexity
There are structures inside cells that are so complex that they had to have been developed top down, not brick by brick up, they did not 'evolve' they were designed top down.
Microbiology shows that Darwinian Evolution is impossible.
AND THAT IS STATING IT MILDLY.The video link above is what they now teach in colleges, technology evolves fast and so what was true and popular yesterday is outdated info today.
c1zx 1 year ago
@c1zx oh c'mon guy! the irreducible complexity argument you creationists like to use has been disproven a long time ago. nothing in the entire universe is irreducible complex.
smettto 1 year ago 6
@smettto LOL, disproven, like it's a theory or something. It's a fact, self evident. Like the sky is blue. I'm not a creationist by the way. Anyone who observes Irreducible complexity, and doesn't understand the significance, is simply incapable of grasping ideas outside of their rigid belief system. That certainly doesn't make Irreducible complexity anyless awesome.
c1zx 1 year ago
@c1zx no it's not dude. that's why your comment got flagged as spam only a few hours after you posted it lol. because it's bs made up by creationist trying to discredit evolution. in which they fail because evolution is a proven fact. like it or not.
smettto 1 year ago
@smettto And like flagging something as spam is ... important? Believe it or not, I'm having kewl conversations about evolution and intelligent design with other people and I'm really jazzed about all this. I had no idea there was all this controversy. I admit I was totally naive! This is really fantastic reading all these interesting arguments from both pro evolution and pro intelligent design web sites. Science at it's best!
c1zx 1 year ago
@c1zx yeah... and the difference between both sides is that the belief of evolutionist is based on scientificly proven facts, and the belief of creationist is based on stories told by people who lived thousands of years ago and had little or no knowledge about anything.
smettto 1 year ago 17
@smettto they're not proven facts.
rickster348 1 year ago
@rickster348 if you mean the origin of life or the origin of the universe then no, they are not proven facts. but evolution is. and just because we don't know certain things about life and the universe, doesn't mean you have to fill in the gaps with a diety, because there is no reason to think such a thing exists.
smettto 1 year ago
@smettto well, if this works for you, good.
rickster348 1 year ago
@smettto name one proven fact. Imagine complexity such as a computer program coming from randomness, one printed sentence coming from accident. U have been lied too by eggheads publishing 4 money and grants. Complex chemicals break down in an oxy atmosphere. Proof? What happens to dead organisims?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 There was no Oxygen on the early earth. Life made the Oxygen we now have. Read a science book.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz You assume I do not read? Would one of understanding judge on assumption? 2ndly do U believe everything U read? Has world science changed and had to rethink over the years?
Lets put away tit for tat and have U explain to me in your own understanding how life became without the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide? That is a fair question to one who pruports to have an understanding of chemical exchanges in regards to abiogenisis.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Microbial mats of coexisting bacteria and archaea were the dominant form of life in the early Archean and many of the major steps in early evolution are thought to have taken place within them.[2] The evolution of oxygenic photosynthesis, around 3,500 million years ago, eventually led to the oxygenation of the atmosphere, beginning around 2,400 million years ago.[3]
See Early life, wikipedia
Good Reading
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Now try putting that in your own words or in words for the layman. Try explaining it like U would a school child. U say ur concerned about em. Don't forget the billions of years, because without billions of years, confusion assembling biomechanics looks as stupid as software writing it's self. This shouldn't be to hard for a caring, concerned, science reader like U.
Your good reading assumes without any facts, ignores science, makes up facts to support a useless lyers pay ck.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 ''without any facts, ignores science, makes up facts '' Are you talking about Kent Hovind?
Billy? Pat? Ken?
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz God could have used evolu.2 create as a few Christians believe, but do U really think that would let U off the hook for ur sins? Imagine hell for ever. The reason I can't accept your faith is it defies science, human history, is built on the premise that chaos can originate 250 different complex proteins to produce a replicating organism, not to mention the gigabyte of info needed. Hawkins is making millions with followers like U buying his, completely, made up ideas.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 What sin did I do? I don't have any faith. Evolution is science, Biology.
Who says chaos made anything? Hawkins is not a biologist!?!
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz All of them or just one of them. 2nd. I know. 3rd Evolution is faith based, has no fact or give me one.
Hawkins is as much a biologist as most of us. He knows caos cannot create anything but caos.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Evolution was proven with facts. DNA proves evolution.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@smettto You're right, I just now discovered that LOL! OK forget that argument. My mistake.
c1zx 1 year ago
@c1zx okay cool, i'm glad you figured it out.
smettto 1 year ago
@smettto You have a corner on religion. All the information in your DNA just happened, random chance through inert elements started to move, but the biggest is volumes of digital, yes that's right, digital info in micro form blue printing life just happened? Isn't that ur religion and who teaches U that stuff? Is it not egg heads that get paid every time they make something up? Even they know there is no chance. Why do U think they are so vehment when someone threatens their faith?
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
@longboardsrule321 No one says it is random chance, that is a strawman argument.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz ur right random chance equals caos.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 And that proves it is not random chance or we would live in caos.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Ur not taking my word for proof are U? Let me help U. Information without an author, design from randomness, assuming theories from imagination, lead to personnal caos and self destruction. U need help with ur spiritual life, to proud to say, or u know He who designed U.
Since it's not the latter why r u, an evolutionary animal, caring at all? U eat, laugh for a season, feel bad, and then die. What is the point? Caos, U have proven that in ur life. Why nt give design a chance?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 What design? Snowflakes are designed or did the laws of nature make them that way? What has more information, a big wolf or a small wolf?
Calling god an Int. Desinger so you can teach your version of creationism in schools is not a valid theory.
What is a ''spiritual life''??
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Snowflakes are inert molecues of the same except for the dirt nucleus. That was stupid.
Big wolf small wolf each have the same complexity of DNA, bad material, senseless
Teaching a non poveable theory, which defies the laws of entropy, has out right lies (need some examples), defies common sense, teaches children to have no morals but animal behavior is ur example? Prove away the prophecies or find a lie in scripture and U won't be a strawman ready for the fire.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 DNA is an ''inert molecue''. The last time I went to college evolution was taught because it was proven. A gyroscope defies common sense, so does the theory of relitivity. The 2nd Law applies to a closed system, you are not a closed system.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz DNA is far from inert in the context we are debating. Darwin could have gotten away with DNA inaptitude but U can't. Today we are taught DNA of a single cell has more digital, error correcting info than the space shuttle. U embrace the impossible & call it fact. U assume your college professor happened by chance, that he received his degree from randomness, that u are typing with hands that were symmetrically formed by magic. U call that proof?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 NO, you are the one who says my hands are symmentical by magic.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz I said ur hands were designed but U say ur hands, somehow appeared. Yes you can quote 1 in a trillion, trillion chance ideas how our cellular information appeared but those ideas are not fact with impossible odds. U grasp the unprovable or you would quote proof but U can't. I asked you to give me just one fact that justifies ur position and you can't, but keep repeating the false mantra, evolution is fact. Now you are shifting to scorn as your faith comes up empty.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Science has the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology, genetics, comparative biochemistry, observe speciation, transitional fossils and on and on and on...
Which one don't you understand?
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Lets take ur 1st. & show U that u have no facts except: Fossils in them selves prove they were covered quickly or would break down to non complex elements or dust in an oxy environment. There is no geological col but only supposed. There is not one trasitiaonal species yet darwin said there would be thousands. Dar was wrong. Your point concerning fossils is what? What proof can u teach me with fossils?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 What is wrong with you, are you home schooled.
Fossils prove the world is old and life has a long history on it.
The geologic column is a TIME Scale, it applies everywhere.
There are hundreds of transitional fossils, dinosaurs with feathers, fish with legs, etc.
What proof can I teach you? Not much, you're brainwashed and close minded.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Every been out of the city? Dead animals are scavenged their bones are dragged off as their stench attracts predators, the rest of their dead body attacked by worms and bacteria. No flesh remains. There are millions of fossils found at different depths, globally, their flesh imprinted in the rock. Time, moisture, air destroy dead things, yet there are millions of intact fossils over earths surface. R U smart? Solve the mystery if ur nt brainwashed.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Yes, there are scavenges. That is why fossils are rare. Bones get moved. Flesh does not fossilize anyway. What mystery?
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Not to mention that not every creature that dies turns into a fossil. Fossilization requires the right conditions.
Secundinius 11 months ago
@gregrutz U sure minerals do not permeate the flesh to fossilize in wet ground through osmosis? I agree, buried fos. r hard to find, but the few we find are all over the world. I say billions of large animals still hidden in the earth. How can a large animal die and it's bones not scattered as sediment slowly buries them over a long period of time? (over 2-400yrs i'd say) Why are fos. imbedded in limestone? This is an ancient phenomenon that is not currently repeated. Have an answere?
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@gregrutz Once the great men of science thought the world was flat. Even after their theory was dashed they still taught flat e. in higher learning. The eggheads finally backed down after no one would buy their propaganda, they fell from prominence. The struggle for them was herific as they sought to invent theroies as to what supported their flat earth. There ideas had no comon sense, but the reterning sailors, merchants were open minded enough to venture out into the real world.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Once the great men of science got there data from the bible. The eggheads had to back down when Galileo proved them wrong.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Wasn't it the catholic church that pressured Galileo/Newton to keep their mouth closed? We respect Galileo and Newton, but weren't they men who loved Jesus?
Did Jesus every order anybody to do anything? Some religions do.
My point was current world view is sophisticated order from chaos, the order of life from elemental randomness with a record of experimental failure. Who can believe evolu. when we see order moving towards randomness? Chaos 2 order found only in text books.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 ''current world view is sophisticated order from chaos.''
Who says that? Not scientists.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz Einstein talks about order that came from ur Big Bang or was he eluding to ur idea of elem.arranging themselves to function as life. U need to postulate mills of years, but it's the same idea of chaotic elements mixed to finally come up with life. Complex elements of life are bombarded, always break down without a membrane. Isn't the second law of thermody. state order moves 2 chaos? Amino Acids need the protection of life to stay consistent. Once dead amino a. turns to dust.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 What? No. Who says that?!? Wrong. Were do you get you information?
Amino acids can't be dead, they were never alive. They are common in the universe.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz did i say that. sorry. but the amino acids all in one place at the same time quickly disintegrate in an animal that dies. u see they are all there in the living creature that drops over. Oxygen gets to the acids and puff they turn to dust in a little while. u postulate they assemble themselves into life but my info is they disintegrate. U get ur info out of other people's ideas, I get this particular info out of common sense.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Test your finger tips for amino acids, there are lot of them there.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz did i say that? sorry. Amino acids all in one place at the same time quickly disintegrate in an animal that dies. u see they are all there in the living creature that drops over. Oxygen gets to the acids and puff, they turn to dust in a little while. u postulate they assemble themselves into life, but my info is they disintegrate. U get ur info out of other people's ideas, I get this particular info out of common sense and observable science.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 Evolutin is ''observable science'' IDiot.
Common Sense says heavy things fall faster then light things, and you are wrong again.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz No ur just reapeating yourself now. I challenged u to address elements, on their own, making order and u come up with a snowflake. That's ur best attempt? Then when u cannot think of anything else u say idiot. Idiots base their faith on idles. urs is believing ur a beast & ur decendent slime. Very soon u will no there is a God and his son whom u scoff at. U will see who made the mistake.
Heavy things fall faster? No, ur falling fast enough.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
@longboardsrule321 a snowflake is a crystel, a highly ordered structure. It makes itself with no help of a god. Watch the video you are spamming, IDiot.
gregrutz 11 months ago
@gregrutz lots of scientists say that except those who themselves have sophisticated ideas about bending the laws of chemestry and imagine how it could happen. Show me one example of anything assembaling it's self without someone doing it. Maybe U could show my room how to clean it's self up or my kid to turn out right without input of positive energy. What is primordial soup but elements in a confused state compared with what U think they make by themselves.
longboardsrule321 11 months ago
“In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.” Albert Einstein
Albert could see the insignificance of man, complexity of creation by design.
World views evolve, complexity of life by chance is unreasonable, faith based. Both sides sell millions in propaganda. They write papers, seek fame & lie for $.
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
@longboardsrule321 the "life is to complex to come about by chance so it had to be created by a deity" argument shoots itself in the foot because a deity is much more complex and also had to come about in some way or another.
smettto 1 year ago
@smettto U R 1/2 correct. Your argument is non effectual in the end as U assume we all know the end, and what the hell were talking about. Let me ask U if U know our small, insignificant, planetary knowledge of the cosmos is complete. U say "don't be an idiot, of course not". R ur comments based on a complete knowledge base? U say, "gee wiz no". So ur absolute deity comment errors. Absolutism can only come when U can't learn nothin, like God. God is outside of time, is spirit. No beginnging.
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
@longboardsrule321 oh c'mon guy. you religulous people make up the craziest stuff to make your little fairy tale work. it's rediculous. you don't even know there is a god, yet you claim to know all about him. that's just arrogant.
smettto 1 year ago
@smettto U have the corner on religion. Imagine urs, info in your DNA just happened, your brain popped into being by mutations, random chance through inert elements started to move, but the biggest is volumes of micro digitall info in blue printing life that just happened? Isn't that ur religion and who teaches U that stuff? Is it not egg heads that get paid every time they publish? Even they know there is no chance. Why do U think they are so vehment when someone threatens their relig?
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
492 ppl dnt like snc!
JKTProductionzIncNCo 1 year ago
1:24 Slartibartfast FTW! :D
Akira625 1 year ago
I am a big fan of his videos!!! He is super intelligent!
TheBrazillianAtheist 1 year ago
you know what makes no sense? having a creationist vs evolution debate to begin with. there are hundreds of more important things to do. people have the right to believe what they want and spout it about. if others are swayed by it so be it. if you say its of great importance for the education system thats bullshit. that system is all about indoctrination and has nothing to do with actual thought. start teaching yourself. thats where real the real way to learn is found.
spiralfunhappytime23 1 year ago
I already followed cdk007 before this. And now I have even more awesome material to follow. Thanks Thunderf00t! Liked~
lowkaiwen 1 year ago
Wow. AronRa now has 42,664 subscribers. Good job, Tf00t.
Gabumon54321 1 year ago
I remember reading 'creationism pamphlets' as a teenager... and thinking... this isn't current science... or this mysterious question can be answered.... or how can you equate this 'belief' with actual fact? Why do these folks go to extreme lengths to argue on a subject that frankly has been verified and is as solid as atomic theory or cellular theory or the periodic table? I find when you get them 1 on 1; these folks yell louder or 'I will have to read up on that.' response.
granddad2002 1 year ago
@granddad2002 World views change, flat earth, bleed patient, light is instantanious.
Science is always learning and evolving.
Currently the world view on abiogenesis is dead matter came alive.
Creationists believe design cannot come from randomness.
Aside from what people sell us, making allot of money doing it, its what you believe that defines U. Both sides lie and try to win arguments. If we are still around in 11yrs. Science will come up with something new?
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
@longboardsrule321 Again, abiogenesis says NOTHING about DEAD matter coming to life. Ever...
There is NOTHING wrong with believing in a god or gods, but when you flat out deny the truth, there is an issue.
Secundinius 1 year ago
*waves a science book at kent hovind* begon demon of ignorance! harbinger of dumb!
alexwolff1990 1 year ago 4
@alexwolff1990 Kent will be the first to tell U he is ignorant. What exactly is he saying to you that U disagree with?
longboardsrule321 1 year ago
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ATHEIST BURN IN HELL !!!
fuckmania07 1 year ago
@fuckmania07 It is hard to burn in an nonexistent place.
desager1 1 year ago 2
@desager1 Im going to have to agree with this statement.
Jason29n 1 year ago