Psychology of Atheism part 2 of 2 apologetics

[gasmbay]

bulshit!

[sandbar3000]

awesome video!

[agnostaxian]

Ty, so do you think atheists accept atheism for rational reasons and theist accept their view for irrational ones?

[blaziermissy]

Watch "why we believe in gods" by Dr. Andy Tompson. It concerns the latest research in neuroscience.

This man is religious, and hasn't applied the scientific method to his analogies. Obvious Pseudoscience.

[grandconjunct]

Yes Tompson is a devout religious Atheist who has not truly applied the scientific method to his theory I agree!

To Bad secularist neuroscientists are terrified to do major studies scanning atheist brains ? could it be they know Atheism is a brain defect ?

He does not show why God is irrational , He assumes it is then fallaciously looks for a brain scan to "explain" why the religious hold "irrational views like god "

Neuroatheism the mapping of the atheists fallacies onto the frontal cortex!

[typwachter]

""Watch "why we believe in gods" by Dr. Andy Tompson. It concerns the latest research in neuroscience.""

Thanks, blaziermissy. That is very interesting, and precisely the sort of material I was looking for.

It strikes me that understanding why we might, or might not, believe in religion is not completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not any particular deity, amongst the tens of thousands, exists.

I'm still intrigued by why not. Perhaps he'll get to that.

[Alex06CoSonic]

Why do we have to use the excuse of being happy and full of joy in the afterlife? Pretend that doesn't exist? Why not now, why not when we need it? Why does it have to wait to this "afterlife" we can only suppose exists? Let's end it with all the excuses already, and start making the world a better place RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. :P

THIS is what truly matters after all.

Yeah, I know, I just keep on listening and making up comments, kind of counter-arguments for what the man in the video says.

[elroy2112]

pretend theirs no rewards and punishments no matter if you work or not, will atheists still get up in morning, work overtime ? Get rid of prisons and penalties for tax fraud, are atheists so pure they will never cheat? even in atheist "paradises like sweden"? Utopia is a myth we don't need to pretend this world with competing moralities and visions of utopia is the only reality, and if we slaved in a factory our whole life that is the only heaven or meaning we will ever know,lets not pretend

[psusac]

2 issues:

1) He doesn't look at how the father relationships of atheists compare statistically to the father relationships of theists. He is only looking at specific case studies, of a handful of specific atheists.

2) "Rejecting god" is a bullshit assumption. All children are born atheists and are taught to become believers. This fact is simply not addressed by the speaker.

[elroy2112]

2 issues with your 2 issues,

1). He actually does use scientific controls of comparing atheists with theist fathers in his book.

2). Actually Children are born religious not atheists, psychological studies have shown this, in fact a few days ago the Oxford University Center for Anthropology and Mind released another study showing even if you put children on an island they will usually come to believe in God. see link #5 in the box to the right of the video above. atheists need to read more.

[psusac]

Interesting. I bet there is a bell-shaped curve showing the variance of religiosity, and that atheists are at one end. Still, culture has to determine WHICH god you worship. Clearly belief in Christ or Mohammad is not inborn.

[jesseakers]

that artwork at the end with the horses, who drew that? I d like to put it up...

[mrkurt13]

Yes father issues. thats why i dont believe that....

[denizopal]

I respect this analysis. I can see how, in the past, a trauma would be required to break out of dogmatic socially accepted religion. Especially if it came from your family, which is normally how people are conditioned INTO religion.

The natural state of man is atheist. When we are born we know nothing. No god / son / cow etc. So yes, before the scientific evidence of today, people would have needed a "get out of jail" card in order to escape indoctrination into the religion they are born into

[elroy2112]

Trauma normally causes irrationality and chaotic psychological states not reason, but then maybe your admitting Atheism is not the normal psychological state of man, but your still trying to avoid the Logical reasons for and against God and trying to assign a rationality free psychological cause of belief for God, but then lets be honest this is because there are no rational reasons to be an atheist and atheists can provide no arguments for atheism so they just call names (psychological names)

[parafleet]

religions are a great way for haters to hate.

religions are a great way for lovers to love.

have you ever known a person who hated, based on rules from their religion? have you ever known a person who loved, based on rules from their religion? what are..a hating atheist and a hating member of a religion? they are haters. what are..a loving atheist and a loving member of a religion? they are believers.

[grandconjunct]

1 cor 13:13

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

1 john 4:7-8

7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Christ does not Cause Hate, but love. whoever continues to hate does not know God. so relgion is no more dangerous than computers or any other powerfull tool, religion doesnt kill or hate, people do

[entheogensmurf]

How many well known theists had the same psychological profile in respect to their fathers?

It comes more down to humans and more directly males easily fail to be a parent in more positive aspects than negative.

Tis a decent lecture thought.

[grandconjunct]

Vitz compares Most famous christian intellectuals and there parental situation also in his book FAITH OF THE FATHERLESS. and uses controls. The conclusion no matter how you cut it is Atheists tend to generally have father issues, while Christians are far less likely, this has born true in my experience and I could list many well known atheists here on youtube who have similar situations

But It would be a low blow for me to list there names here so I will refrain from doing so in Public.

[entheogensmurf]

There are other angles, such as father issues leading a person to:

Valuing or requiring evidence over faith, at least in most cases.

More self reliance.

Higher chances of critical thinking.

Which in turn leads most to atheism.

What I find odd is that atheists that I've known/know don't hate god. It simply comes down to there being no evidence for one, unless you attempt to count our existence as "proof," which it's not as a whole. :)

However, it seems that I will need to read the book.

[darkforce333]

Although I see a correlation between atheism and a person having a bad father I believe I read that almost all the great people of recent history have had a bad or devistating childhood.

[elroy2112]

Sure if you take someones heavenly father away this will make them more Independent in some senses just like if you took there earthly father away this would make them independent in some senses but this is at the cost of mental health and hapiness the best state of affairs the way the world was designed. Does this mean we should take fathers away from kids to help them be more independent, destory tradtional familes to "help" kids ? only a warped atheist could ever do this.

[isaiah30v8]

Thanks for the link to the web site!

[broj8s8n79]

Glad I came across this video. Brings up things I never thought of in detail before.

[PraiseDivineMercy]

This is a fascinating talk. If possible, I would like to download this.

It occurs to me that because we are subject to our parents when we are young and helpless, for good or ill, our relationship with them affects how we relate to God.

[grandconjunct]

keep in mind this 2 part video, I edited from

the original 1 hour 15 min audio, that can be found at veritas dot com, in the grey box to the right of the video, see my notes below or in the ABOUT THIS VIDEO, also be sure to read his book faith of the fatherless.

[grandconjunct]

I just put a link in the ABOUT THIS VIDEO grey box to the right of the video to the Veritas forum with hundreds of free audio and video of christian proffesors defending christianity.

[grandconjunct]

Yes he wrote the book "FAITH OF THE FATHERLESS" the psychology of athiesm , Yes CANDRON this is an adhominem attack, all assigning of psychological causes of your opponets positions is ad hominem by definition as Paul Vitz points out , hes simply showing Christians can play the ad hominem game too and even beat you at your own game. your starting to get it now atheists , keep thinking

[Anarkokommunist]

Intresting! Has this guy written any books about this?

[CAndiron]

This point cannot be overstated. The easiest, laziest attack in the world is the ad hominem, speculating about what 'really' motivates the other side, rather than addressing their points.

In the Episcopal Church, liberals (almost exclusively) use this 'argument' to support their nonsensical claims.