Obama In Oslo: War For Peace

[itspeaks037]

.trash outside please peace ahead tough.

[jacyonelove]

mark knoller looks like a white castle commercial.

And was he looking down at his notes or his thesaurus?

[ObserverNz]

that is so awsome that you communicated with me

[linkin622]

LMAO JOKER (Obama) keeps getting better and better (for pure entertainment).ok lets see if i got this right , we gotta bomb kill maim people send our soldiers to other countries to blow people up shoot them to bits watch their blood spill in the dirt trample their guts in the mud run them over with our tanks listen to their dying screems imprison them forever toture them cut their throats and piss in their milk ..then we shall have peace..um just make that check out to Barack..thats B-A-R-A-C...

[MrSinalinaninin]

If Obama were a real man of character he wouldn't have accepted the award until AFTER he achieved the PEACE he was talking about. I voted for Obama but it's obvious at this point he is just another fraud politician. The politicians in this country are a joke. They are all for themselves. They will be forgiven in hell.

[SebastianQuinsella]

mr.sinalinaninn, your sentiments are exactly mine.i drank the obama kool-aid and was swept away with the liberal goose-step (i was conservative). i even drove elderly relatives to go and vote for him, gave money to his campaign (of which i have not an abundance) and even did phone calls. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED, DISGUSTED and DEPRESSED over his behavior. He will not be getting my vote in 2012. I might no be voting at all. May he enjoy all the empty accolades. There won't be any in 36 mos.

[papavalium]

War for Peace. LOL Sounds like George Bush, seems like all the networks have outed themselves now. They just hated Bush, showing how bias they really were.

[passonlove]

Let's not forget that US is an Imperial Power during this time in history and in order to keep this STATUS -and have peace at home - it has to go to war. Do I agree with it, hell no! Ask me if I agree with other 9-11 and I will tell you: Hell, no! What is the BEST compromise here? This is what I want to hear. Not pointing fingers endlessly...

[passonlove]

Let's not forget that US is an Imperial Power during this time in history and in order to keep this STATUS -and have peace at home - it has to go to war. Do I agree with it, hell no! Ask me if I agree with other 9-11 and I will tell you: Hell, no! What is the BEST compromise here? This is what I want to hear. Not pointing fingers endlessly...

[sketchyfolk]

Fucking morons.

war is peace---orwell

[Seeker4TheUnknown]

War for peace?

Thats exactly what Bush was saying for 8 years.

[DarkXAce]

FUCK OBAMA!

AND FUCK THE NWO!!

I'm growing tired of their lies!!

[amagilly]

the same media that told us powell's presentation at the UN was a slam dunk case.

war is peace.

[imuradio]

We Americans are brainwashed. "War is peace", "Ignorance is strength" the truth are in the movies, and the news are full of lies. "yes, we can" worship our government.

[ObserverNz]

Obama Being PRO war at a nobel peace ceramony?

Didnt america vote OBAMA in to stop the wars?

YES We can tell the world we will rest at nothing to destroy other nations for there resources

Yes WE Can ~

what a joke

[Yellyist]

@ObserverNz I think you`re a joke.

[Natahlvin]

Wow, these guys has no idea do they? They entirely left out big parts of the speech that Obama was doing in their discussion here. I'm not from the US. But I would say this news agency or whatever it is, deliberately stands against all what Obama does. BE MORE OPEN MINDED for gods sake.

[bull4life86]

he just said war is necessary in an acceptance speech for the nobel PEACE prize. HELLO

[speakupforjustice]

war in Afghanistan or Iraq isn't justified. but there are wars that can be morally defended. A war against a dictator or army thats committing genocide for instance.

[beancube2008]

War is needed in USA after the Christmas to stop troop deployment. I only support replacement of those at the top because those Generals of our troops over there want to stay there forever playing their patriot shows to us. Sorry, they are too expensive, we can't afford them long time ago and they are too distractive. We have major issue at home right now.

[vanno414]

"he's not president bush....[we despised bush] for why he went to war in iraq...the kyoto protocol and other agreements...president bush and dick cheney hated all of them"

GOOGLE: danish leak guardian copenhagen

obama justifies the war in iraq, he sent 30,000 more troops to afghanistan to guard poppy fields, he resigned the patriot act and military commissions act, he stands by the official gov story of 9-11, he spent more money in his first few months than bush did in 8 years. HE IS BUSH!

[wrathofme03]

yeah you know i hope one day he will earn it too.

[jag10]

obama doctrine?

face of the shadow

bail out

hand out

con man

Hadji is an idiot.

[chuckcoster]

Peace-the interval war has won. A longer peace was possible if Patton's theory had been implemented. Invasion of Communist Russia would have created a productive nation as Japan & Germany became. eastern Europe would have been free. We have KGB Putin Imperial Russia now with ties to despots in Cuba, Venezuala, Iran etc. Only China will be served by taking back Siberia. China & the western civilizations can then concentrate on Islamic Facism that has continued since WWII. Allah Clarkbar.

[mingmong00]

Anyone who listen to Obama's speech and didn't understand it, is stupid. It is simple. Peace does not mean free on war. Plainly put, sometimes war must be rage for peace to enter. Human being are limited in our ability to counter the insane ambition of the insane via diplomacy. Until we become more skill in this area we can, as Obama has stated in the past "promote the cause of peace" be we must do so while dealing with the realities before us. This was a speech for thinking adults.

[overmanhasreturned]

I can't understand what you're trying to say.

[Marlon0Brando]

Of course to try to explain something so contradictory would be difficult at best and lead to an unintelligible explanation. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

[mingmong00]

War does not equal peace and this is not what Obama said. The fact is throughout history peace has come only after war has been rage. When and is mankind becomes more advanced in his/her ability to defeat someone like Hitler for example, through diplomacy alone than war will not be necessary. We are human we do the best we can with the knowledge and skill we have. Meanwhile he can "promote the cause of peace" whenever and however we can; and we must value those ppl who do just that.

[Marlon0Brando]

No, the real truth is lasting peace has simply not been achieved period. Momentary lapses between wars do not constitute peace. We will never achieve lasting peace through war regardless of whether the war was started by a republican or a democrat. War is War! Peace is Peace! 2+2 will always equal 4.

[mingmong00]

You are not addressing the point I was making. You are just repeating different versions of "war does not equal peace". On that you get no arguments from me. And no, we have never experienced true peace. We will never have true peace as long as human kind as to bring to about. True peace requires real understanding, absolute tolerance. Very, very few ppl have these qualities. I say again we imperfect human beings who desire peace must value those imperfect ppl who do as well.

[mingmong00]

We will never have true peace if we can not understand the duality of mankind and the human experience, which the what Obama was addressing in his speech. We must understand who we are before we can make real efforts to transcend our limitations. For myself I will always appreciate an Obama who finds himself having to make an horrible decision with the info he has been given and yet keep his imperfect eyes on the goal of peace.

[Marlon0Brando]

@mingmong00 @mingmong00 I truly appreciate your efforts however misguided in my opinion. But sadly you are doing the same thing President Obama is doing which is speaking out both sides of your mouth. You are correct in that we will never achieve lasting peace as long as the "peace seekers" promote war. This is such an unspeakable atrocity and you can not color coat it with eloquent words. If Bush or anyone else that has promoted war had used that same speak what would we all be saying?

[Marlon0Brando]

@mingmong00 I know that I sound redundant but this is not complicated. President Obama wants to make it sound complicated because he is using war as a promotion of peace. That is not complicated it is contradictory and self-defeating. I have a question for you? What do you think he is actually going to accomplish in a years time with an additional 30,000 soldiers considering there are an estimated 100 Taliban left in Afghanistan.

[mingmong00]

I am not suggesting that I know rather going to war in Afghanistan will be successful or not. Military strategy is not my thing. I cannot fight my way out of a paper sack. The success or failure of this mission is not my point. Plainly put I am making 2 points. 1.) You say that this is not complicated. In fact it is, and our attempts to simply complicated issues that have such great consequences contradict our own experiences.

[mingmong00]

In our own daily lives we find ourselves making decisions that contradict the last seven decisions we have made because we dont know what else to do given the information that we have and the particular situation or circumstance in which this decision has to be made. However it is the course of our life and the majority of our decisions that determines who we are.

[mingmong00]

To say Obama promotes war is very unfair. Promoters of war see peace as something we must muddle through until the path to war is cleared. If we fairly observed most of Obamas actions thus far in his presidency we cannot honestly say he is a promoter of war. This brings me to my next point. 2.) Those of us that desire peace over war has to recognize the subtleness and pace of diplomacy.

[mingmong00]

Obama has reach out to the world in ways an American president has not do in a very long time, and he did not wait until he was out of office before he did it. He did so not only so that the world and be with America in war but also in peace. So that America, with other nations, can peacefully address the bad actors that are on the world stage.

[mingmong00]

If those who desire peace belittle or discount these attempts by saying what has he done?, he is a promoter of war, he is just like Bush; all we will accomplished is to clear the path for those who see diplomacy as a waste of time. The world moves with the engine of money and firepower. Peace seekers cannot further handicap our cause by degrading the slow engine of diplomacy.

[mingmong00]

Whenever possible, President Obama seeks peace via diplomacy. Just because diplomacy is not always an option does not change the essences and goals of the man.

[Marlon0Brando]

mingmong00 So now I guess we can say war is diplomacy instead of war is peace.

[Marlon0Brando]

You really sound like a thinking adult when your first idea was to hurl an insult at people that didn't think the speech was coherent. It has been stated several times that if the award was to go through the nomination process now, that President Obama would not have been nominated. A thinking person takes in consideration ones actions not their rhetoric. It doesnt take genius to understand the hypocrisy of accepting a prize for peace while at the same time escalating a war.

[TaliaBeltR]

alright! lets all kill each other, the world is going to end anyways, I CANT WAIT FOR THE WAR IN SOUTH AMERICA. well done USA well done!

[idnumber101]

war is peace!!!!!!!.......

[overmanhasreturned]

peace is war!!! What's the difference? Go back to sleep, if you have a place to sleep.

Peace is war - War is peace It's a musical!

[MiniDudenor]

There will always be hating on the presidents... And some say they want to take the soldiers out NOW. that doesent work smartasses x)

[John4660]

Was Tiger Woods invited? What a bunch of idiots Americans are to allow such a socialist dictator to elect to office. He and all in offical positions should be hung for "Treason" against the American way of life.

[macman1940]

What exactly is this American way of life - greed and self-interest? It seems the President is attempting to lead the nation into - god-forbid - concern for others and the common good. Give him some time - who could any of the problems he accepted in becoming president in one year let alone all of the mess?

[John4660]

The American way of life includes but is not limited to the American Dream. It means a well paying job/career, a good education, low taxes and low unemployment. A "Free Market Society" is Capitalism at it's best and has been proved; not HIS Socialist Policies/Bills being passed as law for you to believe that he is doing best for the country. He has done nothing to create jobs and it's not his job to do so. It's the "Free Market" that drives jobs not Obama. ECO 101 !!!!!!!!

[MachShot1337]

So far he pushed a bill, I assume that's your main concern on the "american way of life", and the last time I checked bills are legal. I don't like the bill but I'm not calling for his head over it.

[overmanhasreturned]

I also want to know what this American Way of Life is about.

Is it Lapdog to Wall Street & Co. or Socialist Dictator?

Go Tiger!!! Go Tiger!! Go TIger!! Sex, Drugs and, and, and....too much money.

[sunshineflag]

fraud obama danger.

[ma1r1k2us]

I'm not sure how people are blaming Obama for these wars...seems to me when he took office we were already there because of the good ol' boy who could barely read let alone form an original thought...just saying

[RazorAceYU]

@ma1r1k2us

They are blaming him because of his hypocricy. When he was campaining he was anti war, but that was just so he could gain support from his voters, now that he is in power, there's nothing you can do about it cause you already elected him, and he can do whatever he wants for the next 3 years...at least.

If he were true to his pre presidency policy, he would have stopped the war after becoming president.

Waging war to establish peace is like fucking for virginity. You get the idea.

[blumag88]

Razoraceyu/ What the fuck are you trying to say? You stupid fuck, this President made it very clear as to what his intentions were, he made it very clear that he would go into Afghanistan. He also made it clear that he would start to bring down the troop numbers in Iraq and bring that war to an end in 2011. He is doing everything he said he would!!!!! Get your facts straight!!! You may not be a supporter but that does not justify spreading lies!!!! HYPOCRISY is the GOP!!!!!!!~

[RazorAceYU]

@blumag88

How is sending 37000 additional troops called as "pulling out" of Afghanistan. No I don't support him. I don't support any leader who justifies war. And Obama has proved it with his speech yesterday, and everyone has seen it.

My facts are straight. You are delusional. Get help.

[TheTipperaryMan]

What is your solution?

Should Obama pull out of Afghanistan and hand the country over to the Taliban and allow al-Qaeda to restablish their presence there and use the country as a base for future attacks on the US?

Do you want hijacked airliners crashed into Chicago or Los Angelos or Miami?

Do you want terrorists in the Middle East to grow in power and seize control of oil rich nations so they can hold the world to ransom?

Tell me what you propose?

Can we talk to Bin Laden?

I'm all ears.

[Evantheowl]

Bin Laden is a comic book character,whether or not he's real, we created him. if he's a threat, it's our fault. yes, we should pull out of afghanistan because we do not have the resources to continue running our country without an oversea engagement, let alone performing multiple ones. our infrastructure has been weakened by so many bankers and lobbyists and thos who are offended by our Bible believers, we certainly won't last much longer.

maybe if i could believe just one thing he has to say...

[TheTipperaryMan]

Ok then pull out of Afghanistan.

What happens after?

What does America do if there is another 9/11 style attack that kills thousands of people or or a biological attack or a nuclear attack that kills millions?

What then?

[goodall77]

All we had to do was drop a bomb on few training camps or went after the source Iran. There building one now we know it so why not go to war with them to.

[Evantheowl]

because we would lose. we can't afford to feed our starving children.... but we're spending millions every day trying to hunt down invisible enemies.... enemies that we created.

[Evantheowl]

there will definitely be another 9/11 regardless of what we do because that's what's supposed to happen. that's what the governemnt wants to happen... when i say "Gov't" i mean the people who are currently controlling our minds... not obama, not the army..afghanistan doesn't have the capabilities to do the kind of harm that the american government is doing to it's own people right now..we are in widespread panic, sitting on the edge of our seats, just waiting to be wiped out.&we asked for it.

[TheTipperaryMan]

Suppose to happen?

You're one of those inside job nuts aren't you?

[bloodytube]

History shows not every war is avoidable.... unless you want to be a slave to another or let them take everything you have - including your soul. Therefore there must be a just reason for war (at least in some instances). What is a just reason is debateable. We know as a fact leaders of some religions (just like other types of leaders) certainly did not have issues with waging war for their own reasons.

[gifteconomy12]

Are there any LUCID PEOPLE able to say - WAR IS NOT PEACE? Do all people drink alcohol, eat meat, take drugs and psychotrops? Who can claim FREE WATER, FREE FOOD, FREE LAND, FREE GOLD... = GIFT ECONOMY + PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY+ mothers' ETHICS instead laws? Folks - start RAW VEGAN diet + claim your real BIRTHRIGHTS. Don't let them do it to you - no carbon tax all over the world for to "save" their banksters - work only for FREE (in the image of wiipedia) - give no money to those bandits!

[HermodTuft]

War is a neccesety for the prosperity of the human race.

[goodall77]

Then why did everyone hate bush for these wars?

[HermodTuft]

becouse people are people, and people usualy dont know whats best for them as a whole. Great men do not rise from Democracy.

[TheMaddog780]

only the strong survive..american civillians have become distracted(united we stand divided we fall)..people have to use navigation devices to find a gas station.big money corporations are now government.soon there will be no middle class..our children (and alot of adults) are addicted to video games. its a mess..i know ill survive..im a marine

[P28ductions]

Commander in chief and at war in 2 countries and wins Nobel peace prize... They should have just given it to me, at least i recycle....

[LucasSumtimes]

They make themselves look more ridiculous by the day, yet still people believe in them, as Eli Wallach said in the Magnificent Seven; "...If God hadn't meant them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made then sheep."

Truer words were never spoken.

[themarycity]

I don't understand why we are still in that sand pit. I hear about young guys going to Afghanistan every now and then and it's depressing. Especially hearing it from their wives and girlfriends...

[USPrivate1991]

Its all the mold of Imperialism. Afghanistan is just one of those condemned landlocked countries and poses a great strategic position in the Eurasian continent. Controlling afghanistan would be to us what India was to Britain. Military Industrial Complex is some serious shit

[gifteconomy12]

They want us believe that WAS IS PEACE! Folks stop drinking alcohol, stop eat animal proteins, yeast, stop taking drugs... LET LUCID PEOPLE CLAIM PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY+ GIFT ECONOMY.. so abundance is for all 7 billion people! We need MOTHERS' ETHICS instead their laws and organic raw vegan food all 7 billion people! No manipulations any more!

[Gullin667]

There are no lucid people. I agree with peace, but you won't get that with these groups like Al Queda and the Taliban. You also won't get it with Israel if you happen to be Palestinian. You won't get peace from the United States government if you are an American Indian - not real peace more like oppression and a "sorry" later. Fanatics are the problem. They are uncompromising they do not allow a peaceful solution. Also, two dogs will seldom agree about one bone.

[gifteconomy12]

RAW VEGAN FOOD makes thoughts clear - all nations could be friends! We have to eliminate those who spread war message under peace MESSAGE! These wolfs are the real criminals! The only war should be against those manipulatorst!

[BruceLeeKickYoAss4]

The nazi imperialist fascist dog U.S military war CRIMINAL get OUT of Iraq, Afghan, Japan, S. Korea, Philippine and all other occupied lands now.

[ronquila]

@BruceLeeKickYoAss4 Japan is being occupied? Come on!!!

[sillynanny44]

yes japan germany the list goes on and on

[goodall77]

And add south dakota they need to leave this country to. They have occupied my country too,I'm full blooded oglala and we dont want them he either.

[Gullin667]

Yeah, false Americans out of America! = )

[MrSpieldose]

Affirmative Action and he is nice and isn't Bush, the Afghans are loving this war and I spent 8 years bitching about Bush in Iraq and I will say the world likes him because he is nicer but besides that I don't get it because he is more Bush than Bush... poor Bush must be having a major inferiority complex as the top dog war mongering president of the US now... poor guy, he worked hard for that title...

[MrSpieldose]

gotta get those oil pipelines built...

[stitchedplate4]

war is peace

[tuddilu]

Freedom is slavery

[smileythegnome]

I call Shenanigans on Obama!

SHENANIGANS!!!!

[jfehle]

VIVA KING OBAMA!

THIS WORLD NEED NO OTHER LEADER,EVER!

What BS.

[clefjord]

Give obama the nobel prize in economics would have be the same thing, confusion!

[Gixxmeister]

Obama is a lot more worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize than some other people that have gotten it. The main example is ofcourse, Yassir Arafat. That guy was a damn terrorist. I'm glad he died. How on earth could the Nobel committee legitimize him getting the award? Although Obama may not be my firs choice, for the prize, its more understandable than Arafat. However i do suspect that the norwegians just wanted Obama to come to Norway.

[StinkingHombre]

When does Obama receive his Pulitzer prize?

[SpauldinEv]

alle saman kvem sier at obama er jævlig dum kan suge meg :)

[vestallstar]

Google translate? I'm norwegian and that didn't make much sence.

[the2eyedcyclops]

obama = socialist muslim that only one cuz hes black (half way) and if he lost it would have been "racist". what has he done so far, nothing good to speak of, and WASTED trilloins of dollars on FOOD STAMPS trying to get out of debt. u cant borrow money to get out of debt sorry, plus hes changing health care in the socialist direction. whats next take away freedom of speech OOPS to late he did that too. but hey thats what america wanted i guess. good job.

[Codger45caliber]

The important thing is that Obama was able to fly all the way there for the photo op.

[reg373]

You get to employ a carrot + stick approach when you are talking. When you isolate, it's just stick. So the opposite side hardens, and 3rd parties don't come over to your side of the matter -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

[ssvalhall]

The threat , Nimitz-class or Saratoga-class, ist the

oil-robber and gangster U.S.-gang : Cowards who

killed our kids in Europe in two economical battles.

I will remove this threat and retaliate eliminating

those cowards applying the methods of SLEIPNIR,

the Nordic Art of Eliminating the fatty Yankees haha

[Codger45caliber]

Obama loves himself and loves photo ops.

[falafelization]

Nobel Peace Prize is a joke! They should just concentrate on science and arts. It is clear for now that Obama is weak an his "change" and "hope" slogans has no real meanings.

[ssvalhall]

"JPS "Les mots et les choses"[Sartre] a decliné le prix Nobel"! Obama is the worst war advocate the world has seen  in 2008. Obama is not only a war criminal but with his friend Rizzo a well-known convicted murder a Chicago-gangster we hunt and fetch till we get him and

we must come to his gangster-woman, Michelle, in the

OvalOffice? Obama has stolen the property and the house in Chicago haha haha

[tampabayproductions]

Obama now saying if we don't vote for Cap and Trade they will use FORCE by EPA Threatening those who are not convinced. This is Deifnitely fastly becoming a Fascist Dictatorship! We will be in the streets like in IRAN if this happens!

[oicub2]

Should The Government :

A. provide education B. provide Health care C. provide community development programs, Information and / or services

D. All of the above, & set straight any disinformation.

Or

E. None of the above. Close schools, slash healthcare & community programs, & support a disinformation policy.

Next Question

Do You :

A. Trust the government & do nothing B. Distrust the government & do nothing

C. Force choice D. on the government

[nestorrfortuna]

30 seconds of Darwinian free market

[papavalium]

Wait, so to obtain peace you need war according to Obama. LOLLLLLLLLL

Wow Obama hated BUSH for this like no other, now he has become his worst enemy. HYPOCRIT like no other, IMPEACH OBAMA.

[papavalium]

Obama is a sham, and the peace prize has been a joke for about 20 years.

Bush should of recieved the Peace Prize, but na, only if you are Democrat and bash America for a few years can you get it. I guess the Peace Prize has nothing to do with war then, hence Obama recieved it, literally talking about WAR...LOL

[borat443]

Welcome to the twighlight zone of the US...

Where war is peace and peace is war...

Up is down and down is up...

Torture is good and just..

Human decency is socialism...

Corporate and political crime is legalized

[freakawill2000]

Engaging in war to gain peace is like having sex to become a virgin. It doesn't make sense.

[nimitz1983]

Not really. Think about it, Its as simple as this if there is a threat that is threatning the human race such as Hitler the best way to establish peace is to destroy the threat. There was no way around ww2 through negotiatons or pacifism. Peace was and is not possible as long as there is evil threatening the the good of man! You hippies beed to start thinking for once!

[jimed]

But hitler was invading other countries, taliban are not.

"Peace was and is not possible as long as there is evil threatening the the good of man!"

You mean as long as the US continue as they are!

[nimitz1983]

The Taliban my freind are harboring Al Quida my friend! Who if you have not noticed have attacked the US, Brittian, Turkey, and Kenya. They killed 3000 inocent human beings in America dumbass! We have every right to fight the taliban and al qaeda and with there defeat the world will be a safer and more peaceful one!

[99inshallah]

Haven't you learned ANYTHING from Vietnam???? You WAR-LOVING NATION?????

[jimed]

1. i am not your friend!

2. Al quida is not in Afghanistan, check it out, the reports say there is a couple of hundred al quida if that.

3. Alquida didn't commit terrorist attacks in the UK. All the terrorist attacks here were a result of the wars, 7/7 the guys said they did it because we were in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The guys who failed miserably in Glasgow were Iraqi and were doing it because of the war in Iraq.

so when these fool politician tell you "we have to fight them there

[jimed]

so they don't commit terrorist attack here" how can you believe it when there has been attack as a direct result of the wars?

Please tell me how are those terrorist in Afghanistan going to travel thousands of miles to the UK, enter without anyone noticing?

[freakawill2000]

What caused WW2? Hitler. But why was he elected? economic depression. What caused that depression for Germany? WW1 reparations brought on by the US and its allies. The US had no reason to fight in WW1 but our participation resulted in a second world war killing millions.

Why are we in these 'wars'? Because they hate our freedom? No. Because we intervened and intervention has consequences. We don't want the rest of the world to be free, we want them under our control.

[rainiertx]

Because he received the prize becasue he became President during war time. I guess the committee had to try to come up with something to justify this stupidity, Abolish this award, it means nothing,

[jigrhaeg]

the problem is he is not a leader to lead us. he is a wimp bower.

[Tobias8164]

hypocrisy...justifing war hahahah

its a mafia. nuke them all

[VictoryCough]

To me its not irony, its hypocrisy.