PANZER vs EPIDEMIC - Game 3: SkyNet League Lower Finals

[xsnowy01]

LOL is shit along with the players trying to justify how good it is compared to dota. Im sorry but its just not happening.

[KiaraLightcore]

Dude... no Lich...

[JesusIzAPunkRocker]

lolz beast master is cocky *chicken*

[Phethos]

Meh, this feels like a high level pub game instead of a tournament game.

[DeathandGrim2]

I think DotA players are the whiniest when it comes to LoL, literally over-critical bullshit. "OH there's no denying, you don't lose money when you die, Towers are OP, it's too easy" So what I gathered (and hopefully you did too) is that DotA players are mad because LoL wants to be a separate game in the MoBA market and its not trying to be much like Dota so it's not good enough, but if they went and copied DotA down to the 'T' they'd be even more mad. Basically leave LoL alone, let it be itself

[k1ngch0wm31n]

@DeathandGrim2

No, our problem is League of Legends players talk a lot about how their game is "unique" and "different".

It's not. It's basically DotA with slight system mechanic changes. That's it. It's an easier version of DotA and anyone who's played both can tell you that. Doesn't mean that LoL is a bad game, just easier to pick up and play.

[DeathandGrim2]

@k1ngch0wm31n I play both (and HoN >.>) They really do play with completely different playstyles if you go into league playing like dota most of the time (if not all) you'll get served. And as for the LoL players talking, I don't hear them much on DotA so I didn't know that

[k1ngch0wm31n]

@DeathandGrim2

No, you actually tend to play better than most League players.

The ability to last hit with just your auto attack is more than the average League player can handle.

Giving Flash to every hero is like having every hero in DotA start with 2150 for a blink dagger.

Giving Exhaust is like every hero starting off with a Rod of Atos.

Trust me, DotA players tend to do better.

[DeathandGrim2]

@k1ngch0wm31n Play the ranked games and see what type of slaughter it is (and how wrong you were about last hits) and another thing is DotA players need to come with a more fresh attitude to League rather than nitpick everything and compare everything to dota they need to separate the skills needed to play both (other than your ability to click) Because high level LoL is some of the hardest shit you'll ever see but this is only assuming you don't do ranked if you do then good job

[LapisLaser]

@OrdoMallius ..challenging.

How can you say it's unfair when it's available to everyone? Plus the effects are not that significant, the runes serve at best as an extra inventory slot filled with basic-mid tier item.

[aleksandarWH7]

problem with lol is that in ranked games there is only like 15 champs that people use,all others are ignored and pretty much unplayable at ranked,but still lol is a lot of fun,not better than dota but who cares

[olot100]

HoN is so good. No idea why people dont like it. meh less noobs = more fun :D

[Bi773n]

so what happened at the finals ???

[MrNguyenTD]

fucking wrong with those 3 games LOL HON Dota .

plzz guys know it off.

[gosztonnyino]

You are an awesome commentator!

[ddandevil67]

fuck S2 games

there has been a bug on macs for months now that makes it so mac players have no sound, but S2 is just ignoring the mac customers while releasing updates for new purchasable content

nobody likes S2

[OrdoMallius]

It's easy if you want a game that rewards you for playing more games then play Dota/Dota2

If you want casual fix go play LoL

[LapisLaser]

@OrdoMallius What, you don't man to imply LoL doesn't reward those who play more games? Because, you know, the whole idea of Influence Points is built around that premise.

[OrdoMallius]

@LapisLaser

LoL rewards points to buy skins/heroes nothing more

Dota rewards by giving you greater feel of accomplishment

LoL learning curve is to flat. Dota skill curve is much more steeper. When you see a pro LoL player fighting a average player it's not that big of a difference. But when you see a pro player in Dota you KNOW he's fucking top notch cause he rapes you cause he's BETTER at the game than you and you need to work harder.

[LapisLaser]

@OrdoMallius Thats because LoL puts mroe emphasis on team coordination. That's not to say DotA doesn't, but the way the system is arranged there will always be a carry who rapes everyone and the rest of the team to support/disable/ward the map/whatever else. I don't think letting everyone participate on equal rights is a bad thing, it adds more fun to the game, while retaining the challenge.

[OrdoMallius]

@LapisLaser

that only shows that you really don't know anything about dota.

You think that there is only 1 viable hero in team for late game and that the others are there just to support him? That is ridiculous. A carry cant do shit if his team doesn't help him. He may be big factor in late game but he aint getting nowhere without the other 4 guys.Dota is balanced that way. LoL is "balanced" by making every hero the same. And as for runes I think that's retarded and it gives unfair advantages

[LapisLaser]

@OrdoMallius Wasn't that exactly what I said? Guess I wasn't clear enough. Yes, carry depends on team, but still he's the one getting the kills and you know what that raises? Everyone is trying to play as a carry, on lower level play, at least. This way DotA looks and plays retarded.

As for "making the same", just no. Yes, there are fewer tasks the champions are designed for, but that is beacuse the game is meant to be easy to pick up. But that doesn't make the actual play less..

[LapisLaser]

@OrdoMallius

And, no, actually you can't buy skins with IP, but you can buy runes to customize your champ's stats.

[IamKarlo]

Game starts at 12:11

[MicroTomb]

34:41 you're dead bro. lol.

[Boonana70]

epidemic picking beastmaster makes me happy. 

[mrchillyphilli]

@Boonana70 I think you mean Panzer dude..

[TheGrindful]

@Boonana70 It was Panzer who picked beastmaster.

[bimmerci]

anything with half a horse of a body is attractive? CENTAUR SEX !

[tpcello]

its half a deer fyi...and still attractive

[OttoLavado]

19:25 LOL

[elastictrend]

sorry, CM was trapped in sprout!! not mirana!!

[elastictrend]

i haven't seen a SINGLE ulti from crystal maiden!!

at the middle lane, last push, mirana was trapped in sprout, only furion was hitting her, she wasn't dying, she chooses to right click!! NO ulti.. beastmaster stuck in shackle, right next to her, whole dire team standing next to her.. NO ulti!! top lane, last push, beastmaster is shackled again, i think only furion was hitting CM, NO ulti!!! Dear Sunsfan, please give me an explanation, i are extremely unhappy!

[ertekkiadgrinast]

lagalot?

[MrCore2Man]

So love your reviews and your voice. It's kinda reminds me Wheatley's voice (Portal 2) ;)

[Mihailo3000]

to recap: at number 1 its a tie, LoL and DotA.

at 2 we have HoN.

And after 300 empty spots, Demigod.

Dota 2 beats LoL and Dota.

Also if you got offended by me saying LoL is better than HoN or as good as DotA, I would very politely advise you to go fuck yourselves.

"LoL is too easy so HoN is better" DotA is harder than HoN so go play that.

I put LoL up there cause its like the HoN hero Gauntlet, easy to learn impossible to master.

P.S, HoN sucks cause of S2s shitty programming.

[mihailo343]

@Mihailo3000 Bravo ti ga imenjak, hon je sranje. Dota nije igra za nubove a LoL moze da igra svako. Ja trenutno igram LoL jer dota 2 nije izasla ali kad izadje bice najigranija igra te vrste.

[foxmcloud58]

@Mihailo3000 its all a matter of opinion u dick

[Mihailo3000]

@foxmcloud58 Very true, this is me justifying my opinion.

[LapisLaser]

@Mihailo3000 Well, here's the question: if DotA 1 and DotA 2 are the same game, graphics and controls aside, why do you recommend latter over former?

[Mihailo3000]

@LapisLaser Well, DotA 1 was made in the Warcraft lll Map Editor, with it came a load of setbacks such as bad attack animations making it harder to play, you couldnt use the ability and item shortcuts because they were too far apart and orb effects that should stack couldnt.

[LapisLaser]

@Mihailo3000 Actually, the animations are made this way deliberately. It's possible to tweak or remove them outright, like in Enfo's (I always found hilarious when those crabs died when Arthas didn't even lift his sword), and the orb effects are balanced with the premise they don't stack. Plus you can change item shortcuts, I believe, it just involves tinkering with the game files.

[weredude101]

So cant wait for the official release of this game its going to be awesome . i got to be training up ready on other moba games of a similiar nature to prepare myself for this pure awesomeness :D!!!!

[HyperGolem]

@weredude101 You must be a lolfag.

[kienluong01]

@weredude101 dont play lol, play dota1

[oj43085]

Meh, it's not really that impressive their gameplay. Not so impressive, I could get 4 players and we could play against these pro teams and take a game off them.

[oj43085]

Man they should make the menu in the game translucent like in dota 1. So you can see through it to a certain degree...it's like a big box that covers almost half the screen.

[666sonnyjr]

Love tat part when bh almost die. Lucky shit

[music1dude13]

Who has Urn again? *clicks Furion* AM I FREAKING BLIND? Oh Nature's Prophet has it. Derp

[yeroctehh4xor]

Panzer + Epidemic = Pandemic

[zsb92]

I laugh everytime you say crystal GAYden... haha

[MasterJim87]

Fun game makes me wonder why people don't ban enigma more :p

[SeismicPulse]

@DotaCinema seems bounty hunter would be the ultimate pub stomper if ur playing noobs?

[KoreanKimchiDavid]

lol you get an orgasm everytime an arrow barely misses

[Cdogmaximilian]

I'm a BIG BOY, I like BKB :D

[St4ssWtF]

wtf is up with these Kobe System Commercials? lol

[Karmau5]

I love u leaf* -3

[stinklesnapz]

can you please pay attention to the fucking minimap when you cast? Youre funny and i like your casting but my god you can be incredibly blind

[NineTailedArrancar]

dont want to jinx it like last time, but look, look, solid green!!

[Ephemerus]

Go Panzer!!!!!!!!!!! Go!!!!!!! I hope they win!

[dorsorama]

gj panzer - awesome Bounty Hunter by leaf

nice casting even if a bit blind ;-)

[ChocolateAntFarm]

Leaf* <3

[Stinkfist194]

Leaf* is bawws.

[Tesla128]

what'd you say about that tri lane again?

[0mixter0]

Magina Always Banned =(

[EmoRobotique]

Oh Bounty Hunter! I remember back when I played DoTA just wind walk, crit someone, auto attack twice and Toss for the kill! Fun!

[JonasBM3]

kky = kuroky or a wannabe?

[tyler414625]

glad panzer won :p

[lockerxzx]

Does the game have only 20 heroes or something? Because these 2 teams are picking/banning the same heroes over and over again! -_-

[YFallen]

@lockerxzx they are banning those heros who can take their heros down the easiest.

[YFallen]

@YFallen there are 68 heros in dota 2 and there are still some heros havnt come out yet in beta.valve wants to but all of dota 1 heros.dota 1 has more then 100 heros.

[Destruction3402]

@lockerxzx At the moment, 68 heroes are in the beta, and then there are 39 unreleased heroes that is gonna be in the final game.

(total number of heroes in the finished game: 107)

[EmoRobotique]

@lockerxzx Most teams are too scared to try out new tactics and hero combinations, same in HoN if you know it. It gets boring I agree.

[LolzWhatIsThis]

All these tournaments going on are just a HUGE tease to us not in the beta!! When is it going to be finally released!?!? :@

[brokentuber990]

please post tomorrows game to youtube ASAP cant live stream in SA. internet is too slow :(

[Ycylyon]

"interesting" = "just bad"

[ShinoKyoufu17]

I'm not sure but I think SUNSfan didn't like the tri-line

[MrKrawlin]

Since rasta had a blink dagger couldn't he give that to tide or can u not to that with those kind of items?

[Corey91666]

@MrKrawlin u cant swap any items beside consumables and stuff like ring of health...

also... rhasta with dagger is better then tide with dagger imo...

[LessImportantLC]

why didn't you say that the trilane is bad?

[LessImportantLC]

lag?

[SuperGnomegrinder]

Does Bounty Hunter really snowball that badly? Or is it just because of leaf's skill level?

[mcojocnean]

@SuperGnomegrinder He snowballs great, but needs a good start. Money from Track is essential.

[denstore1337]

anyone wants in beta can enter a competion but hurry closes tomorrow ( have to make a survey before you can enter competition)

dota2betacompetitiondotcomslas­h?refequalssomeVIPguy  a dot here slash =3 here minus 3

[30LayersOfKevlar]

Sunsfan are you overweight ? Are you projecting onto the poor Tidehunter ?

[DeceitfulSoul]

any1 else lagging a bit ?

[IstopwhenIdrop]

terrible bounty hunter against terrible tri-lane

[1337noobirl]

12:20

[Vippe101]

@1337noobirl I really dont get ppl who dont watch picks/bans, i mean they got no clue what so ever of what's going on

[witsawat90]

@1337noobirl Thanks Greg :)

[PeaceBuny]

!!!

[EposTheEpic]

Epic !! :D When start open beta pls ? i cant w8 !

[whoneedsnames1]

@EposTheEpic There most likely wont be one,but more and more people will be in closed. I think they would just release instead of making it open.

[TDKP420]

@EposTheEpic sorry no scrubs allowed.

[blackunoichi]

@EposTheEpic unless they take out a big update

it will take long time till the open beta come out

cause it has very large bugs that need to be solved

I think the open beta will come out when they add all the characters

maybe 1 or 2 months more

that's just what I think =D

[LemonsOnRye]

@EposTheEpic My guess is there won't be an open beta, though I have had access for some time so maybe that is just me.

[RickonDraw]

@EposTheEpic the open beta already started, but you still need to be invited. i got an invite in November.

[GalaxyCollapse]

@RickonDraw When you need to be invited actually means it's not open....

[scyther890]

@RickonDraw Open Beta means no need for an invite.

[elastictrend]

@EposTheEpic they give out a shitload of keys you know.. just do the survey and what not, its not all that hard, didn't even take 5 minutes and then i get a key a week later! if you are so desperate to play dota, its the least you can do!

[FawlksGmr]

@elastictrend what survey?? where? xD

[elastictrend]

@FawlksGmr in steam mate!! wait, i think dota 2 website.. which took me to steam page where you do the survery, but AFTER you install steam! :P

[tomrprincee]

!!!!!!!!!